Sample from the first new DEATHKEY recording in 4 years from the Ep "Emanations Of Binaural Terror" soon to be released by Freak Animal is up now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7re74Fkqi-k
fuck yes. sounding good!
Short sample, but it sounds good indeed.
great stuff, did you actually use binaural technics to record these?
I am myself experimenting in that field.
yes. I wanted to do this as 3"cd ep instead of 7" to get the best stereo sound.. I think part of it would be lost in modern day so-so 7" cutting...
Good news indeed.
very much looking forward to this. what will availability be like for the EP? limited quantities, or more widely available? i don't wanna miss this one...
Great News.
Is this a Deathkey release that isn't about racism?
Quote from: Brad on March 28, 2013, 04:56:49 PM
Is this a Deathkey release that isn't about racism?
Obviously, one would have no knowledge of DEATHKEY to make a statement such as this. Typical smear tactic. DEATHKEY focuses on many subjects and aspects, and it is typical for those who have an agenda to focus solely on that which they can use as "evidence" to attack something that they view as a threat because they do not and could not understand that which is being said.
Since 2001, other DEATHKEY titles and lyrics:
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- GATEWAY: Cygnus X-1 (2nd Demo)
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CONSUMMATION : SINGULARITY
Massive gravitational collapse
Transcendental Singularity
"Only a word..."
Constriction
Expansion
Ascension
Spherical wound
Deathgate through eternity
Upheaval through the Black
Echoes through time
Suffocation
Mutilation
Ascension
Lightless Force
Impervious mass of purity
Horrific beauty
Revelation
Consummation
Ascension
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PRODIGIORVM AC OSTENTORVM CHRONICON
::ASCENSION::
Piercing black jewel sockets
Inaudible shriek summoned from absolute purity
Enlightenment of inconsequential self consumes absolute
Divine intervention of Insecta divinity
Segmented God Plane Extrapolation
Senses reduced to primordial stasis
Paralysis dissemination
God's eye shattering
Certainty reduced to ashes
Invading the seat of humanity
Meticulous exploration lacerating reason
Extracting revelation
Exchanging ascension
Sowing the seeds of transformation
Ideological phoenix flames
Summon the apocalypse of the soul
Ego death will summon rays
Which will carry me through the Deathgate
Up towards the shining darkness
I arise....
::ANGVLAR MOMENTVM::
Raging landscape of purgatory winds
Darkened clouds dripping freezing blood
Breathless observation of the Black obsidian monolith
Visage of 3 to the power of 4
Aryan Ophidian souls with the power of the stars
Scale towards the pointed crown of the Trinity King
Conduit veins surging towards the singular endpoint
Oscillating pitch reverse purest black resonance
1000 tones chimed in 1
Center axis focusing energy towards the Deathgate Singularity
Pyramidion reverberation
Apex ascension triangulation
Atonement ritual actualization
Spiritual bloodcult ascendance
Dispersion through eternity
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DONUM E IRRITUM
Take my hand as I lead you towards desolation
Yet only to the blind
Existential rebirth will cleanse and purge you
Yet only to those who wish to see
Bathe in the Black
Exchange internally
Eternally
Devour my blood
Devour my skeletal flesh
Consume my hatred
Seated on my coagulated throne
I give to you the gift of nothingness
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ATTAINMENT OF SPIRITUAL MASTERY
Obedient servent
Substratum infusion of the abyss
Quinta Essentia Infinitum
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SCWARZE SONNE
I close my eyes to see
I breathe deeply
I breathe calmly
Transcendental ascension
Gateway beyond
Eternal black void
Engulf Me
Engulf me
I close my eyes to see....
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The other lyrics and releases touch upon many other aspects such as zionism, revisionist history, the occult, antisemitism, and much more.
So they are basically goths now?
Deathkey seems to trigger obsessive-compulsive-posting-disorder lol "does not like, must post"
sounds very good to me, (& seems to get better & better)
Quote from: P-K on March 28, 2013, 08:12:19 PM
Deathkey seems to trigger obsessive-compulsive-posting-disorder lol "does not like, must post"
sounds very good to me, (& seems to get better & better)
All the HNW hipster fags on troniks hate Antichrist Kramer. Good. HNW doesn't take any talent to make. All you need is a moustache, a subscription to Mother Jones and a smug sense of superiority.
I don't think it's "HNW people" who hate Deathkey. And, it's really just handful of internet pranksters who are vocal about it. Deathkey is very much liked and appreciated and it is very easy to distribute... Unlike a lot of unwanted noise releases. I'm thinking of re-pressing all the old CD's this year... Should do also DK/88mm on CD.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2013, 06:09:57 PMI'm thinking of re-pressing all the old CD's this year... Should do also DK/88mm on CD.
yes!!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
I don't think it's "HNW people" who hate Deathkey. And, it's really just handful of internet pranksters who are vocal about it. Deathkey is very much liked and appreciated and it is very easy to distribute... Unlike a lot of unwanted noise releases. I'm thinking of re-pressing all the old CD's this year... Should do also DK/88mm on CD.
The other CDr's as rerelease would be Awesome, too
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
I don't think it's "HNW people" who hate Deathkey. And, it's really just handful of internet pranksters who are vocal about it. Deathkey is very much liked and appreciated and it is very easy to distribute... Unlike a lot of unwanted noise releases. I'm thinking of re-pressing all the old CD's this year... Should do also DK/88mm on CD.
pray tell why the thread got locked there. its nice to talk about Deathkey here without trolls ruining it. is any US distro getting them in? you run a good distro its just that Finland/US shipping prices are astronomical.
Shipping of CD/tape/7" is 3 euro for any size of order (1 to XXXX copies).
Only shipping of vinyl LP's is high.
But of course merely exchange rare of currencies makes CD price little higher than in US.
digging up this topic, not that i'm worried but : what happened to the Deathkey hoodies? ...i don't recall a date when these started to ship, & some time went by...
As far as I know (info comes from NWN! board) these should be shipped, but DAR is still experiencing problems with shipping, apparently a lot of his packages are kept in transit for a long time. I'm waiting for a package of DAR (the 5 new tape releases, including the Deathkey 2 tape box). I don't know exactly when it was posted, but as far as I know it was the end of may. I trust it will arrive sooner or later, though.
Hopefully, I'm waiting for the Deathkey Box.
I got the Deathkey 2xtape box a couple of weeks ago so hopefully all of the other orders will be arriving soon.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 01, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
I'm thinking of re-pressing all the old CD's this year... Should do also DK/88mm on CD.
Great plan for future Industrial Recollection titles.
Please re-reissue Hammer Of Aryan Terror + Totenkopf in a single disc or a CD + mCD album.
I looked also he has a VHS on his discography on Discogs called "Annihilate This Cesspool". Will you do that too?
These should be out as regular re-press on FA, not any "reissues". Also DK/88MM split on CD as LP was so small edition and part of pressing lost in mail..
I have just noted that the two tapes in my boxset have plain white stickers on both sides, but the images in Discogs have printed label stickers.
Any idea how many of each might exist, or is mine a rarer oddity?
Any news of Deathkey are welcome! I worship Deathkey.
Quote from: Salute on October 23, 2018, 12:38:48 PM
Any news of Deathkey are welcome! I worship Deathkey.
I believe between "metal" songs of Intolitarian gigs, the main man has been performing full on new Deathkey songs. New Jersey gig just happened, and I believe especially the media was very happy about it.
While project is laughed, hated, ridiculed... at the same time it has been able to do new things not done by others. Reaching new crowds and expanding beyond where generic noise has possibilities. It would be good to see him get some new studio material done.
A reissue of a Deathkey release on a different format is coming soon. Label and other details will be revealed soon (I don't have anything to do with it myself).
Quote from: Ashmonger on October 28, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
A reissue of a Deathkey release on a different format is coming soon. Label and other details will be revealed soon (I don't have anything to do with it myself).
ah yes, I sent the label artworks for that. Just vinyl version of one the CD's of Freak Animal.
LP of selected live material will also see the light of day eventually.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 28, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
Quote from: Salute on October 23, 2018, 12:38:48 PM
Any news of Deathkey are welcome! I worship Deathkey.
While project is laughed, hated, ridiculed... at the same time it has been able to do new things not done by others. Reaching new crowds and expanding beyond where generic noise has possibilities. It would be good to see him get some new studio material done.
Havent witnessed too much of the ridiculing myself, but what I have seen mostly sounded like people being jealous of DK's success. Most of the criticism I read came from pseudo-intellectual , (semi-) leftist Harsh Noise guys whose own projects never got beyond Bandcamp and moving a handful of CDRs. Of course, I am sure many people disagree with such projects for a variety of reasons, but most of the stuff I read sounded like "buy my otaku harsh noise wall CDRs instead of evil Nazi PE". Quite pathetic, actually...
Quote from: PTM Jim on October 29, 2018, 06:31:17 AM
LP of selected live material will also see the light of day eventually.
awesome
Quote from: vomitgore on November 04, 2018, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 28, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
Quote from: Salute on October 23, 2018, 12:38:48 PM
Any news of Deathkey are welcome! I worship Deathkey.
While project is laughed, hated, ridiculed... at the same time it has been able to do new things not done by others. Reaching new crowds and expanding beyond where generic noise has possibilities. It would be good to see him get some new studio material done.
Havent witnessed too much of the ridiculing myself, but what I have seen mostly sounded like people being jealous of DK's success. Most of the criticism I read came from pseudo-intellectual , (semi-) leftist Harsh Noise guys whose own projects never got beyond Bandcamp and moving a handful of CDRs. Of course, I am sure many people disagree with such projects for a variety of reasons, but most of the stuff I read sounded like "buy my otaku harsh noise wall CDRs instead of evil Nazi PE". Quite pathetic, actually...
Don't worry, there are plenty of people with lives outside of internet bickering that think Deathkey is fucking shite aswell.
Never paid too much attention to Deathkey but I must admit "Totenkopf" was brilliant scum noise! Looking to score more at some point. I do have the BU split but can't remember much of Deathkey side as I bought it for BU.
QuoteMost of the criticism I read came from
Most of the criticism I read came from pretty much anyone and everyone right across the whole noise/pe/industrial scene either thinking it was weak noise with decent graphic design and risible shock tactics, or seeing that this was pretty obviously a joke/troll project presumably by some 'name' artist under a pseudonym? But yeah if it's 'real' than that's even funnier perhaps.
Was listening to the 'Total War/ None of You Left' split w/ 88MM this morning and, I must say, it did it's job very nicely. Didn't find it 'weak' at all.
The personal investment in this guy/group is sort of amazing. People really care. Tribalism like Trump incites.
sonically deathkey can be great. that split with 8mm in particular is nice. but the racist bollox that surrounds it all is unfortunate
Isn't it! Isn't it!
Jews? Jews?! You gotta be shitting me! If it's a wind up: it's propaganda of absolute brilliance (I salute it). If it's sincere: dude's thick as pig shit and should step on up and apply to work in a walk-in-deep freeze for Burger King (after a five decade apprenticeship, of course).
Almost as revolting as Streicher's' claim that his namesake was a lamb sent to the slaughter for his flower arranging fetish.
There's far more conceptual depth to Deathkey than what most people see on the surface level. It goes a bit deeper than being the lyrical equivalent of some RAC or NSBM band and it appears he's leaving behind the sampled war marches and German song titles in favour of something more personal. Depending on an individual's perception - could make it far more interesting or perhaps even more ludicrous. I'm not speaking specifically to other forum members, because if you're not into it - well you ain't gonna give a fuck regardless. Mostly an observation from guys who've taken a detour into noise/industrial from metal via Deathkey.
It took me a long time for Deathkey to actually "click" with me, and it wasn't until I went back and revisited Doctrine Of Intolerant Hatred and gave it plenty of time that I saw lasting value in it. Emanations Of Binaural Terror was something quite different that I liked, albeit about the half the duration I would've preferred. The recent tracks on the Beyond split LP are definitely his best work and the cleaner, more pronounced vocalizations really work in his favour.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 08, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Was listening to the 'Total War/ None of You Left' split w/ 88MM this morning and, I must say, it did it's job very nicely. Didn't find it 'weak' at all.
oh, well I didn't listen to anything more recent than the first couple of releases because why would i? There's already too much decent noise/PE for me to get thru that
isn't made by a satanic racist joke band. Good for him i guess improving slightly tho
I can't understand Deathkey because I'm part of a conspiracy that doesn't exist. Whatever criticism he receives about his ideas and whatnot is deserved because he never really advertised anything he released on SSP, DAR or for his own projects based on their artistical merits and always used the extremism argument instead. He' s not the only one to do that but it gets tiresome and I can't take anything he does more seriously than anything coming out on Winter Solace.
Quote from: theotherjohn on November 09, 2018, 12:22:33 PM
This thread brings back memories of my first foray onto the Troniks board circa 2007 and the shitstorm thread about the RRRecords/Freak Animal co-release. Thinking back, that may well have been the first time I was fully aware of either label? So, uh, thanks Deathkey. Evidently though one of those labels faired better than the other in the long term as a result of this release - personally I'd much rather see a 'The return of RRRecords' thread (how is RON these days?).
i remember rrron saying that he decided to release that first deathkey LP because he was impressed with how he handled himself in the face of that relentless mockery. lots of posts slagging him off and featuring shrek and ice cream cakes somehow? and that raionbashi LP with the brutal gimp donkey on the front, which is presumably what a "deathkey" is. that thread was funny. pretty sure rrron is still quietly releasing recycled tapes and running his shop. don't think he's gone anywhere except away from the internet.
Quote from: Cementimental on November 09, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
made by a satanic racist joke band.
Excuse me? I suppose you have some grounds for an accusation like this?
FreakAnimal wrote that there's a lot of ridiculing of Deathkey but never have seen any... Before this thread though. Wouldn't have guessed such PC mentality here haha!
Quote from: Salute on November 13, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: Cementimental on November 09, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
made by a satanic racist joke band.
Excuse me? I suppose you have some grounds for an accusation like this?
FreakAnimal wrote that there's a lot of ridiculing of Deathkey but never have seen any... Before this thread though. Wouldn't have guessed such PC mentality here haha!
I've noticed that a lot of people who would decry PC mentalities also get quite upset when you suggest a an edgy PE sacred cow might not be as great as everyone likes to think. Almost offended, you might say.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 08, 2018, 09:51:22 PM
The personal investment in this guy/group is sort of amazing. People really care.
;)
I've been asked several times by people, why do "everybody" talk about Deathkey, when there are so many other vile and over-the-top power electronics projects. Why not something else? I usually conclude that: Who knows?!
Quote from: theotherjohn on November 09, 2018, 12:22:33 PM
This thread brings back memories of my first foray onto the Troniks board circa 2007 and the shitstorm thread about the RRRecords/Freak Animal co-release. Thinking back, that may well have been the first time I was fully aware of either label? So, uh, thanks Deathkey. Evidently though one of those labels faired better than the other in the long term as a result of this release
Ron liked how Deathkey handled himself in front of endless loudmouths, but also he felt that RRR should do at that particular time some "vile and disgusting industrial release". I suppose it was as contrast to warmness and playfulness of "new wave of USA noise" that he had put out. Later he concluded that he LP surely lived up to the set goals. So much that as far as I'm aware, it meant even some personal friendships go little sour for a while.
I recall on the same forum, it must have been RRRon who opened "pussification of noise" -discussion. While man is prankster and gentleman, and utterly warm & supportive to everything in noise, he was wondering what's up with new generations. Coming from old school, you have used to situation where people handle what industrial noise has to offer. If it wasn't your cup of tea, it barely made grown men cry. Neither it resulted the same old "I'm so bored of this" -routine, pretending as if you'd see blown up asses and swastikas non-stop. It tends to be that seeing single thing among thousands of other items makes one react. Boredom? Oh yes, obviously!
So where is RRRon now? Running his store. His bargain CD offers has been sent to all members of RRR's mailing list during last weeks. I guess he'd rather work on selling records than check out what's out there on social media right now, hehe...?
In some ways Deathkey can be compared to perhaps early Mortiis. Not musically, but in some other ways. People who listen utmost great ambient masterpieces, and wonder who are the guys listening simple keyboard patterns of rubber nosed metalhead?! While the guys that listen old Mortiis, probably don't care whatever sonically advanced and visually
adult thing you are suggesting as better alternative.
No one in this thread apparently has stood in the same room and had a conversation with him, at least not like me.
He's the kindest man in the entirety of the PE scene.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on November 13, 2018, 07:46:47 PM
No one in this thread apparently has stood in the same room and had a conversation with him, at least not like me.
He's the kindest man in the entirety of the PE scene.
Deathkey?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 13, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on November 13, 2018, 07:46:47 PM
No one in this thread apparently has stood in the same room and had a conversation with him, at least not like me.
He's the kindest man in the entirety of the PE scene.
Deathkey?
Yeah. Who else we talkin bout here?
RRRon.
For the few unaware of the mockery etc, it concerned some EBM type forum and it's members randomly typing "DEATHKEY" at any given chance. This was 10 years ago, perhaps more.
From it spawned some stupid compilation CD, and the profits of that went to the Museum Of Tolerance in Los Angeles. The line-up of which don't seem to be very active in the past half a decade, and you wouldn't want to listen to their shit music anyway. You can find info on it via discogs if you're resourceful enough.
It's hardly worth bringing up, but since there was confusion - there it is. If my memory serves me correctly A.K. just figuratively shrugged his shoulders, called them weaklings and moved on and kept releasing music.
Quote from: FallOfNature on November 13, 2018, 11:57:50 PM
If my memory serves me correctly A.K. just figuratively shrugged his shoulders, called them weaklings and moved on and kept releasing music.
He probably said "KILL THEM ALL!".
Quote from: FallOfNature on November 13, 2018, 11:57:50 PM
For the few unaware of the mockery etc, it concerned some EBM type forum and it's members randomly typing "DEATHKEY" at any given chance. This was 10 years ago, perhaps more.
From it spawned some stupid compilation CD, and the profits of that went to the Museum Of Tolerance in Los Angeles. The line-up of which don't seem to be very active in the past half a decade, and you wouldn't want to listen to their shit music anyway. You can find info on it via discogs if you're resourceful enough.
It's hardly worth bringing up, but since there was confusion - there it is. If my memory serves me correctly A.K. just figuratively shrugged his shoulders, called them weaklings and moved on and kept releasing music.
i think it was the side-line forums, but i don't recall. i never saw the threads, but i know several people who were involved with putting that compilation together. the whole things was weird and silly.
Quote from: Salute on November 13, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: Cementimental on November 09, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
made by a satanic racist joke band.
Excuse me? I suppose you have some grounds for an accusation like this?
What "accusation'?! Satanic racist is the whole premise of the project, and joke (intentional or unintentional) is my appraisal of it. This is SI not Wikipedia
What's truly intolerable? This guy's totally weak sense of aesthetics. His releases, across the board, look like video game merchandise you'd buy at Wal-Mart. Reactionary crybabies on both sides of this debate. In my mind, it's totally forgettable.
(https://cnhelhdb.turbobytes.net/images/bands/photo-intolitarian.jpg)
(https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/11/Accessories.jpg)
This garbage is somehow preferable to whining "SJWs?" L O L no thanks.
(https://phosphorussite.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/2rm45d5-1.jpg)
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on November 16, 2018, 06:11:56 AM
In my mind, it's totally forgettable.
So
forgettable that seeing image of some kind of skull, makes one think Kramer.
Indeed:
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 13, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
If it wasn't your cup of tea, it barely made grown men cry. Neither it resulted the same old "I'm so bored of this" -routine, pretending as if...
Anyways, I told artists when the patch in picture above came, that it is not that good idea to make such banal comment. Whole
anti-antifa is pretty dull, unless you are someone accused
for no reason - and naturally relate to such idea.
Yet, seeing how much patch... was it ltd 10-20 copies, resulted outrage... I have re-considered. Perhaps Intolitarian, which is pretty much outrageous noisecore, and with just photo of one patch manages to stir seemingly endless reactions all over social media. It goes pretty well in good old traditions set by Anal Cunt or such. If there is available possibility of using cheap shots to create butthurt and annoy people, I guess noisecore is where it works the best, hah...
Cross over to another topic as Zeno Marx already mentioned Trump.
Quote from: Boyd Rice"But, I'm enjoying the whole Trump spectacle. It has made the United States into this kind of reality TV show where the populace is behaving like an audience members on a Jerry Springer show. That's entertaining to watch."
I personally, not so much enjoying Trump spectacle, nor I enjoy watching Jerry Springer show, but I do feel it is always sort of revealing. Just once you thought certain crowd could be a notch better than Springer show audience - or at least the viewers who pretend to participate from distance - you realize that probably not.
Someone may ask, so what should be done if band annoys me so much - can't I mock back, as he is clearly trolling? Of course you can, like the yelling Springer audience and the ironic TV viewer thinking he is so
over this.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 16, 2018, 09:20:50 AMWhole anti-antifa is pretty dull
True, but Code291 - Anti-Antifa is a very enjoyable track nonetheless.
New Era Productions just released Emanations of Binaural Terror on single sided 12". I got it two weeks ago and it looks great.
NEP 80 DEATHKEY - Emanations of Binaural Terror LP Power-Electronics, cymatic weaponry, binaural terror and pineal frequency manipulation rituals harnessed by Antichrist Kramer. Carefully mastered & cut on heavy 12" LP with silver silk-screen on the B-side.
Comes with amazing packaging of a ritual map with instructions on 24"x12" fold out/gatefold cover and 12"x12" inlay in PMS silver printed on heavy black paper.
Limited to 369 handnumbered copies.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Bny1DjY6/Deathkey-1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XJKZTQVG/Deathkey-2-WEB.jpg)
Wonderful design!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 16, 2018, 09:20:50 AMWhole anti-antifa is pretty dull, unless you are someone accused for no reason - and naturally relate to such idea.
Especially dull and dumb if you are an actual fascist (or pretending to be one on your record sleeves) and then act outraged that anti-fascists might be against fascism.
I kind of like Deathkey's silly aesthetic tho yeah as theworldisawarfilm points out it's a bit Xbox, and it's one of the main reasons I think he's trolling; real neo-nazis don't have competent graphic design skills.
(https://i.imgur.com/i2KwiDx.jpg)
So, Antichrist Kramer being a super duper kind guy doesn't mean anything? Seems like that would cancel out the bigotry.
I must say, I've never quite understood this - if y'r man is in fact some real nice fella, then who cares about anything else, least of all him not liking other people. I mean, honestly, if someone was generous, kind, and honourable to me, why would I give a fuck if, say, he didn't like blacks, or whatever??
Also, Cementimental, I don't see why neo-Nazis (whoever THEY are) couldn't be good at graphic design. But I assume you were trying to be funny, yourself!?
Anyway, the thing I do sort of admire is the "not giving a fuck" attitude Deathkey exudes, and that's a big part of the reason why I go for it every now and again.
Kind of apples and oranges. Perspective as you will. Place weight where you will and do the math as you see fit. The duality of man. The best killing machine soldiers wishing for peace. (Serial) Killers with loving mothers and who love their mothers. Point being, and try not to get hung up on semantics, people can be both good and bad, do good and bad, etc. Like in the rip-off thread. The person who rips off a bunch of people, but doesn't seem to rip everyone off. So they're not a rip off until they rip you off? I think not. They're still a rip off with a flawed sense of ethics.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 16, 2018, 10:03:56 PM
So, Antichrist Kramer being a super duper kind guy doesn't mean anything? Seems like that would cancel out the bigotry.
I have completely lost track of who is joking or not in this thread.
Quotehttp://neo-Nazis (whoever THEY are)
they're like the old nazis but new and with worse graphic design. try to keep up