There are some topics related. Noiserock. Skullflower. etc. but I don't recall overall topic about this type of material? There may be, but if one is found, I'll combine the topics.
Like mentioned in Skullflower related bands topic, I have been listening quite many of items of that band. Now that Finnish group SNUFF RIDER published its first full length CD album, I was somehow really captured by it. On surface, it is just what the topic name suggests: Psychedelic - guitar - drone - noise - rock. I would lump it together with Skullflower, 90's Ramleh, and perhaps countless of "psych" feedback projects... yet there is something what really hit me and I guess I have listened album already ten times and not getting bored of it.
You got all the basic ingredients. simple bass riffs, bounding drum beat on the back and droning mess of guitar noise and often just one tone throughout entire track. Some of the songs are instrumentals or vocals are buried as part of sonic mass not so much of "lead vocals" merely part of the music/noise. Atmosphere is darker than just space rock jamming. There is psychedelia, but in same sort of way bad trip, like mentioned bands.
What is more notable, is that at least for me, it seems obvious that Snuff Rider is way more vital, interesting and ripping than for example latest releases of mentioned bands. New Ramleh was unbearable to listen, unfortunately, and Skullflower is doing way better - but releases seem more casually thrown together, while Snuff Rider CD feels like proper album!
I recall seeing the band once live, and it was very very intense. Not some shy emotionless shoe gazing, but full of wild energy.
https://snuffrider.bandcamp.com/album/degenerator
Other new, old, noteworthy bands of this type of stuff?
I don't know why exactly but I was never very comfortable with guitar noise as such. Maybe identifying it more as a musical instrument. Also, there used to be a lot of guitar drone stuff going around that I got bored with.
Does there need to be a distinction between Noise Rock and Noise with rock instruments? Apart from there being some obvious crossover in a few cases. That Snuffrider release sounded to me like the sort of drone-heavy, noisey psychedelic rock that the English love doing.
You've got those "Drone Doom" type bands, too - Khanate, Sunno))), Boris when they're not playing 70's influenced rock, etc ("Superego" is a pretty good album I reckon).
Some KK Null is okay. I haven't heard much of Solmania. Keiji Haino has done some interesting stuff, but some boring stuff too.
EDIT - oh yea, Primative Knot sometimes goes into outright noisey territory. A good project all 'round, I reckon.
ANOTHER EDIT - some years ago there was a performer from Perth, Aust., called Cat Hope, who did solo Noise with bass and effects. Saw/heard her live one time and it was great, deep vein thrombosis Noise through the floor and up your legs and clackers. She also collaborated with a chap who's name escapes me now on a duo project with bass and effects, called Lux Mammoth which put out at least two albums. More drone based than her solo stuff, but still got noisey and heavy.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 04, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
Does there need to be a distinction between Noise Rock and Noise with rock instruments?
Strange coincidence ! I was just wondering the same thing, without having seen the topic. - Seeing Seed Mouth mentioned in the Playlist thread, i just played Zyklon B. Zombies - Skull tape. It's a band Seed Mouth was member. While listening i was wondering how would i describe this. Noise rock could be a description, and the one i thought first. But rock would describe only the instruments, nothing else. Guitar, bass, drums [i dont see drums credited, so it's drum-machine] . But musicaly ? Nothing fits anything ! When i think of noise rock -without having much experience with this- i think something that still keeps a musical 'form' . Here the result of this 'jam' is a total cacophony, very noisey at times. Not so harsh that you cant understand what does what, but ... after tape was finished i concluded. This is noise, just. Though 'japanese weirdness' would be a better tag.
If Sunn o))) can be included in this "genre", I name them as the top leaders.
need more drone doom (((O)))
This topic invites such a wide range of recommendations! My frame of reference is primarily Japanese, from PSF to La Musica and Captain Trip. Having only given a cursory listen to the Snuff Rider material, here are some recommendations which might be in-line with what you're looking for:
Asahito Nanjo - guitarist / band leader of Psychedelic Speed Freaks, High Rise and previously Mainliner immediately comes to mind. One of the perfect melds of nosie rock and psych rock, with different projects leaning more towards one direction or the other.
Mainliner - Mellow Out CD - Charnel Music / La Musica 1996 - IN THE RED heavy psych that sounds like Black Sabbath played High Rise while the sun explodes simultaneously. the guitar/bass is so bombed out and the vocals sound like they're coming up from a well. The later albums have shorter songs and more responsible groove to length ratios but these still feel like songs, just really long ones.
Acid Mothers Temple And The Cosmic Inferno – Starless And Bible Black Sabbath CD - Alien8 2006 - Acid Mothers can be very hit and miss for me but I like this one a lot. First track is a riff oriented psych dirge and the second one is more hard rock influenced. Honestly sorta similar to Mainliner, which isn't shocking considering Kawabata is in both bands.
High Rise - II LP - Black Editions & Psychedelic Speed Freaks LP - Black Editions - ultra-classic Nanjo vs very recent Nanjo, both totally rip. closer to noise rock or garage rock, but with a very unique guitar tone. Neither outstay their welcome either.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 04, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
Acid Mothers Temple And The Cosmic Inferno – Starless And Bible Black Sabbath CD - Alien8 2006 - Acid Mothers can be very hit and miss for me but I like this one a lot. First track is a riff oriented psych dirge and the second one is more hard rock influenced. Honestly sorta similar to Mainliner, which isn't shocking considering Kawabata is in both bands.
Acid Mother's Temple was one of the first bands I thought of, hits the psychedelic rock and noise elements very well on numerous releases. The album I've come across which blends the elements most successfully to me is
Electric Heavyland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKpWcTY729Y
(*Skip about 2 minutes in, that's where it starts to get going)
Even though it's a full band playing rock instruments, this one is very noise-y and psychedelic. One of those bands where they are so prolific they touch on so many sounds and not every release is of the same quality, however there are some gems buried in their catalogue for sure. Also saw them live a few years back and it was a great show. Ear splitting!
Quttinirpaaq from Texas is great. They are almost like more coffee fueled Skullflower.
And of course we should not forget about Les Rallizes Denudes from Japan. Wild stuff!
totally agree w/the high rise and mainliner suggestions. i wonder why nobody mentioned les rallizes denudes, though, is it because they are considered too much "traditional" psych rock, even if some of their releases have very heavy feedback? i guess it is just as much a factor of the recording itself and circumstances, but live 77 is really one of the heaviest guitar records i have heard... there are some quiet hippy like pieces, but overall it has this very dark and menacing vibe, in my opinion.... of course they also released more regular rock stuff, but yeah, i kind of consider live 77 a proto-noise rock classic!
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 04, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
Asahito Nanjo - guitarist / band leader of Psychedelic Speed Freaks, High Rise and previously Mainliner immediately comes to mind. One of the perfect melds of nosie rock and psych rock, with different projects leaning more towards one direction or the other.
Mainliner - Mellow Out CD - Charnel Music / La Musica 1996 - IN THE RED heavy psych that sounds like Black Sabbath played High Rise while the sun explodes simultaneously. the guitar/bass is so bombed out and the vocals sound like they're coming up from a well. The later albums have shorter songs and more responsible groove to length ratios but these still feel like songs, just really long ones.
I have an adversarial(?) and inconsistent relationship with guitar generated sound outside more traditional genres of music and within the experimental world, so this topic is mostly outside my realm, but this particular Mainliner album is a great recommendation for people who have similar struggles. And if you're someone who likes, or needs, to lock onto a single artist and explore, Nanjo is a good one.
great stuff so far. USA/Mexico is another absolute bruiser of a noise/guitar group out of ATX (also on Riot Season)
https://usamexico12xu.bandcamp.com/album/matamoros
also, a total outlier in the discography, but "Sword" by Genocide Organ always struck me with what sounds like looped guitar making up the basis of the melody
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/track/sword
Nels Cline stuff pre-Wilco is great too, very underrated
https://nelsclinetrio.bandcamp.com/
Six Organs of Admittance gets very heavy and abstract as the years go on, all the Hexadic albums are worth digging into
https://sixorgansofadmittance.bandcamp.com/album/hexadic
Fuzzy Sun is a pretty good source for "noise rock"
Even though I found some decent rock acts, most of it isn't nearly as noisy as I like.
https://fuzzy-sun.com
JFK - Sexodus 7" is the perfect noise-rock release for me.
Rusted Shut yo
https://youtu.be/fcOTUqcp-QI
Quote from: Into_The_Void on June 04, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
If Sunn o))) can be included in this "genre", I name them as the top leaders.
I'm going to assume SunnO)))'s reputation for being loud and noisy comes from their live gigs, because whenever I've listened to their recordings I've just thought, "sounds like Dark Ambient".
Quote from: Bleak Existence on June 04, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
need more drone doom (((O)))
Except Khanate and the others mentioned before definitely check out:
Burial Chamber Trio - S/T
Earth - Earth 2 - Special Low Frequency Version
Grave Temple - The Holy Down
Pentemple - O))) Presents
Extra-Capsular Extraction - Geometry of Sound
Whalesong - Gateway
Scott Walker - Soused (recorded with SUNN O))))
Ensemble Pearl - Ensemble Pearl
thnx
Quote from: Neithan on June 16, 2021, 03:08:31 PM
Ensemble Pearl - Ensemble Pearl
I never considered Ensemble Pearl drone doom, more like dark ambient meets dreary psychedelic or post-rock, but it's actually not the worst descriptor if you divorce it from the expectation of mammoth slow-motion riffs. No matter what you call it, their album is fucking great!
+1 for nels cline
loop is pretty out there, helios creed obviously...
finland legends: worms / psychoplasma / enter
I've had a good luck of finding second hand copies of Sightings and Mouthus/Double Leopards/Tarpit/Religious Knives records for cheap recently.
any fans of this stuff want to sell me the thurston moore and/or burnt hills tapes on throne heap? i think the fall into this category... trying to complete the labels discography, almost complete but these two and the bill nace tape have eluded me for many years now... willing to pay more than top dollar. sorry if this is inappropriate for this thread but i figure its worth a shot - DM me!
https://sigerecords.bandcamp.com/album/white-people-killed-them
A few folks I know play on this one - great stuff. Noise/Guitar/Drums chaos.
Everything from Earth/Dylan Carlson - depends on my mood, but for most of the time, I really like it all.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 04, 2021, 12:59:54 PMThat Snuffrider release sounded to me like the sort of drone-heavy, noisey psychedelic rock that the English love doing.
Correct on all accounts, that's definitely the main influence... to anyone concerned, we put out a stopgap digital EP of some rehearsal recordings on bandcamp:
https://snuffrider.bandcamp.com/album/feaster-ep
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Kaneko Jutok - Endless Ruins is a masterpiece