What do you think about Bastard Noise? The incident that happened a few months back kinda was fucked up but I still love 'em.
They're just so much far away from any other noise groups. both sound and representation. Leftist politics, all the weird sci-fi shit, and the mighty 'skull'imagery.
They worked out as a introductory gate for me introducing both noise and noise artists (Merzbow, Bizarre Uproar, Government Alpha...)
What do you guys think about both new (Skulldozer!!!) and old material?
Rogue Astronaut might be their best album. I'm not much of a fan of Skulldozer. Her vocals are monotone and lack passion. You can do that style of screaming and it not feel like either of those things (obviously). I love female vocals in HC like that. Health Hazard. Alyssa on Disrupt - Unrest. She made Skulldozer feel a lot lesser than it might be otherwise. A Culture of Monsters is a much better album to my ears. I haven't heard the Actuary split or a couple of the other, more recent releases. I like the crudity of their older releases. Lots of good ones. I wouldn't even know where to start.
I would have loved her vocals done in traditional hardcore style better too (I didn't get people hating the old Despise You female vocals)
are you talking about the John Wiese-era by older releases?
I heard The Analysis Of Self-Destruction ages ago but I remember liking it. It had a pretty bleak atmosphere, nicely summed up by one of the song titles: Death Wish For The Dying.
Quote from: jangbi08 on June 10, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
The incident that happened a few months back kinda was fucked up but I still love 'em.
What happened?
Enlighten me: exactly what is the difference between BASTARD NOISE and MAN IS THE BASTARD?
Quote from: ARKHE on June 11, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Enlighten me: exactly what is the difference between BASTARD NOISE and MAN IS THE BASTARD?
More or less if I'm not mistake it was CHARRED REMAINS > CHARRED REMAINS aka MAN IS THE BASTARD > MAN IS THE BASTARD > MAN IS THE BASTARD NOISE > BASTARD NOISE so I presume it was due to small line up changes and musical direction changes???
Quote from: Mattias G on June 11, 2012, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: jangbi08 on June 10, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
The incident that happened a few months back kinda was fucked up but I still love 'em.
What happened?
http://pitchfork.com/news/45207-man-is-the-bastard-accuse-akronfamily-of-ripping-off-their-skull-logo-for-t-shirts/
i get that akron used the image without permission but people writing juvenile comments was definitely a overreaction
Quote from: ARKHE on June 11, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Enlighten me: exactly what is the difference between BASTARD NOISE and MAN IS THE BASTARD?
Bastard Noise kinda started out as a noise-oriented side of Man is the Bastard(albeit similar lyrics/imagery)
and continued existing after the death of MITB. They had John Wiese as a member between the late 90s and the early 00's
Then they eventually brought back the bass/drums format in 2009.
Quote from: ARKHE on June 11, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Enlighten me: exactly what is the difference between BASTARD NOISE and MAN IS THE BASTARD?
Difference is that Man Is The Bastard/Charred Remains was a powerviolence/hardcore band with experimental/noise elements. Bastard Noise is, well, noise ... they share imagery, some members and themes/lyrics, but until recently didn't incorporate musical elements like MitB.
That's the rough summary of it at least.
Classics
http://www.discogs.com/Charred-Remains-AKA-Man-Is-The-Bastard-Bizarre-Uproar-Sanctity-Of-Oil-M3A1-Sub-machine-Gun/release/1495498
http://www.discogs.com/Merzbow-Bastard-Noise-Voice-Pie-Untitled/release/182084
http://www.discogs.com/Crossed-Out-Man-Is-The-Bastard-Crossed-Out-Man-Is-The-Bastard/release/2429226
In my personal opinion, I value the highest:
MITB / Bizarre Uproar split 7"
MITB / U.N.D. split 7"
Our Earths Blood 7"
MITB / UND / Bizarre Uproar LP
And these, not rated by involvement of Finnish artists, but solely judged by MITB's part. Why?
-On split with BU, they managed to fusion greatly the machinery and eerie band generated music with the short and the the point aggressive power violence. Short tracks, fierce noises, great sound.
-On split with UND, the machinery is crystal clear and vocals are yet to become the trademark always similar slightly reverbed studio sound. Check out THESE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qumfeUvGBOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZth0qnM4kQ
-"Source of power" 3 band LP includes utterly amazing tracks from everybody, but most of all MITB !
And "Our Earths Blood" 7" can't be ignored - one can check out the exact track where "Freak Animal" originates from, even if I added own meanings to it as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8DrEjikT4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCJJ5L5dqIE
This original early style of short innovative tracks, unique take on lyrics/graphics/presentation, etc. It is what made the big impact. I do value their later works as well, but I think some of the original feel has been lost when tracks have extended lengths and similar tones/oscillations used over and over again.
Quote from: nidding on June 11, 2012, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: ARKHE on June 11, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Enlighten me: exactly what is the difference between BASTARD NOISE and MAN IS THE BASTARD?
Difference is that Man Is The Bastard/Charred Remains was a powerviolence/hardcore band with experimental/noise elements. Bastard Noise is, well, noise ... they share imagery, some members and themes/lyrics, but until recently didn't incorporate musical elements like MitB.
That's the rough summary of it at least.
Yeah that's what I supposed. Thanks!
One can take a look message above for something said c. 6 years ago. I still stand still in same state of mind.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 11, 2012, 10:14:54 PM
This original early style of short innovative tracks, unique take on lyrics/graphics/presentation, etc. It is what made the big impact. I do value their later works as well, but I think some of the original feel has been lost when tracks have extended lengths and similar tones/oscillations used over and over again.
I greatly appreciate the latest Bastard Noise / Outermost collaboration 7". It proved once again that Bastard Noise is at its best in 7" format, and perhaps also: collaborations.
Why is that. Well, lets say I spent two days to go through entire "Our Earths Blood IV" 5xCD box. Huuuff.... Even if I have recently gone through way more massive box-sets, and even if I may consider myself to be very much supportive for MITB/BN, it gets way too much. 10 x CD of Incapacitants - no problem! 4 x CD of Pan Sonic? No problem. What's the issue with Bastard Noise then? If I say there is "too much of the same", doesn't that sound exactly what
Incapacitants does?
Well, not sure how analytic one should be about it? Band like Incapacitants benefits from length and massivity. On surface level it may appear to be "the same", but each release is quite different when judged by its own merits. Bastard Noise in other hand, doesn't really benefit from length. At the best their material has been when long studio session is cut into 2-4 tracks of total length of 6 minutes on side of 7". But stuff like this 5xCD, it simply underlines that you have heard it all so many times, it gets old. You know, the exact same oscillator box used for hundreds of time, with nothing beyond neat reverb as efx. The same vocal pace and style since 25 years. No efx beyond studio reverb. Wood has without doubt, really powerful roaring, yet I start to miss experimentation. Not just treating vocals like in punk, shouting through tracks, but actually consider it as compositional part, what should not be
the same, all the time.
What this box benefits, of course, is that collaborators can bring new angle to work. Some tracks works out well. Some are reaaally lazy. Occasionally you get someone blasting harsh noise frenzy on top of bastard electronics and you feel confident the box is good. Next you got shitty digital-multiFX line-in guitar drones on top of same old bastard oscillation and one wonders what's the point? There are couple musical tracks too, which don't fit this at all. I know label invested plenty of time and money to get this done, but one single CD, with absolute best tracks, would have made this good CD. Now as box, it really gets way too much even for fanboy, hah...
Even if I was slightly critical towards
SICKNESS / BASTARD NOISE collaboration LP, I must conclude that it is still very much positive example that BN collaborations can work well it involves and actual idea what album should be. It's not just submitting lazy drones or re-doing things all the same, but indeed, in this collaboration creativity of both bands is elevated to new level. It's not like Sickness alone would do album like this, nor Bastard Noise. And composition is way beyond just random tracks with eachothers sounds. Wood vocal performance is also pretty wild - and strange. Of course he has done all these vocals styles many times, but breaking templates into long guttural whisper-growls extended over so long periods of time, over minimalist backgrounds - that are clearly composed. I must say that one needs to actually listen this more carefully to really appreciate the quality of noise textures. Especially going through this AFTER the 5xCD underlines its superiority. That said, if this and the Outermost collaboration mark highlights among Bastard Noise collaborations, maybe project is going for better direction? Lets hope so!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMKv1zLSBIQ
I enjoyed select collabs on the Earths Blood IV but it is a lot to get through. IIRC the tracks with Government Alpha and Clew of Theseus stood out. But not a set I go to often for the sheer length of it.
I have really enjoyed the longer collabs and live stuff that's been surfacing lately. Doomed Extinction was a really great DLP, the Live in Japan series of tapes and the Earths Blood V were quite good. And the 7" with Hiroshi Hasegawa/Government Alpha was also something I liked.
The MITB Live LP that came out on Deep Six was also excellent, I think from 1992 Sum of the amen era? It was great to hear the banter between songs. I'd LOVE if some other live stuff surfaced. Live at Fiesta Grande would be a real treat if the whole set was recorded?
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 04:14:26 AMLive at Fiesta Grande would be a real treat if the whole set was recorded?
I got into a conversation about this elsewhere, and it sure seems likely. There should be all kinds of live soundboards for those fests somewhere. What a gold mine! If such a thing exists, I hope it doesn't disappear to tape rot before it gets unearthed. If they exist, I'd bet they're all on cassettes.
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 04:14:26 AM
Doomed Extinction was a really great DLP
Best era of BN in my opinion. Rogue Astronaut is peak performance.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 05:56:05 AM
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 04:14:26 AMLive at Fiesta Grande would be a real treat if the whole set was recorded?
I got into a conversation about this elsewhere, and it sure seems likely. There should be all kinds of live soundboards for those fests somewhere. What a gold mine! If such a thing exists, I hope it doesn't disappear to tape rot before it gets unearthed. If they exist, I'd bet they're all on cassettes.
There is complete video footage of Fiesta Grande #1 (Assuck / MITB / Crossed Out / Cap Cas / Plutocracy / No Comment). Greg Heiman has
a lot of stuff, a lot of it he filmed himself. He was around for it all and relatively recently was roommates with Wood until that, unsurprisingly (and unfortunately), ended poorly and he is now MIA. I was always trying to arrange trades with him for some footage or audio but it never panned out. The only hope for that stuff surfacing now is perhaps whatever may be uncovered during the making of this power violence documentary.
At one point there was supposed to be a MITB documentary, so there must be better quality footage lurking about somewhere. I suppose this shalt never see the light of day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZrGcomnNTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZrGcomnNTM)
There's a somewhat poor quality rip of Fiesta Grande #1 on the ol' YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQuJCaxnjqA&t=204s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQuJCaxnjqA&t=204s)
And this is a FANTASTIC set, another low quality rip but how great is this performance, shame it's split into four parts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g75bcfNsW3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g75bcfNsW3o)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omJzVTOp17M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omJzVTOp17M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kwm0vvKOhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kwm0vvKOhc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cagnbUS9BFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cagnbUS9BFo)
If y'all are in need of any of the vinyl only stuff that is difficult to find my old pal Stormy dig a great collection of vinyl rips if you scroll down a bit on this link: http://bloggedquartered.blogspot.ca/2017/03/
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 04:14:26 AM
I enjoyed select collabs on the Earths Blood IV but it is a lot to get through. IIRC the tracks with Government Alpha and Clew of Theseus stood out. But not a set I go to often for the sheer length of it.
I have really enjoyed the longer collabs and live stuff that's been surfacing lately. Doomed Extinction was a really great DLP, the Live in Japan series of tapes and the Earths Blood V were quite good. And the 7" with Hiroshi Hasegawa/Government Alpha was also something I liked.
The MITB Live LP that came out on Deep Six was also excellent, I think from 1992 Sum of the amen era? It was great to hear the banter between songs. I'd LOVE if some other live stuff surfaced. Live at Fiesta Grande would be a real treat if the whole set was recorded?
What's the name of that live LP? Sounds like something I need.
I still haven't got the Our Earth's Blood IV box but I got to get it at some point. I get the criticisms but for me MITB/BN is just so appealing in every way that even the non-essential stuff is very interesting to me.
Quote from: Decrepitude on February 11, 2018, 07:45:28 PMWhat's the name of that live LP? Sounds like something I need.
It's the radio show recording that's been floating around forever.
https://www.discogs.com/Charred-Remains-AKA-Man-Is-The-Bastard-Live-On-KSPC-887-FM-1992/release/10893237
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 08:19:40 PM
Quote from: Decrepitude on February 11, 2018, 07:45:28 PMWhat's the name of that live LP? Sounds like something I need.
It's the radio show recording that's been floating around forever.
https://www.discogs.com/Charred-Remains-AKA-Man-Is-The-Bastard-Live-On-KSPC-887-FM-1992/release/10893237
Thank you!
Quote from: Decrepitude on February 11, 2018, 07:45:28 PMI still haven't got the Our Earth's Blood IV box but I got to get it at some point. I get the criticisms but for me MITB/BN is just so appealing in every way that even the non-essential stuff is very interesting to me.
I'm an unapologetic fan, and try to pick up whatever I can. I think between BN/MITB I have about 80-90 releases so like, why stop now? It's a maddening hobby.
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 08:58:52 PMQuote from: Decrepitude on February 11, 2018, 07:45:28 PMI still haven't got the Our Earth's Blood IV box but I got to get it at some point. I get the criticisms but for me MITB/BN is just so appealing in every way that even the non-essential stuff is very interesting to me.
I'm an unapologetic fan, and try to pick up whatever I can. I think between BN/MITB I have about 80-90 releases so like, why stop now? It's a maddening hobby.
Agreed. The one problem with it is one I'm experiencing now. If you get a little behind, you find yourself many releases behind. If you take even a year off, you find you're way behind. My "want" list is overwhelming at this point.
Clew of Theseus is underrated in general. He did some really fine work. What's he doing now?
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
Clew of Theseus is underrated in general. He did some really fine work. What's he doing now?
https://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/247144-black-lives-activist-amherst-commenting-shooting-wrote-death-threats/
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=174.msg69802#msg69802
Quote from: absurdexposition on February 11, 2018, 09:25:11 PMQuote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 09:09:42 PMClew of Theseus is underrated in general. He did some really fine work. What's he doing now?
https://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/247144-black-lives-activist-amherst-commenting-shooting-wrote-death-threats/
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=174.msg69802#msg69802
Thanks. Didn't realize he had devolved into a ripoff like that. Never, ever like to hear that kind of bullshit. The Bastard Noise box situation...yeah, yikes about all of that. Expectations are demons. As for the rest, with hindsight, I can see how he could be a volatile person. Sharp as a whip, but potentially unpredictable and whip cracking. I assumed he was working on, or finished with, his PhD.
It's funny how this scene can get ruffled when someone takes their violence, be it physical or emotional or verbal, to life; considering that's a substantial amount of what is alluded to in lyrics, art, etc. Shows how we are no less fickle than any other subset or demographic. "You've gone too far!" Huh?
*edited to make sense
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 05:56:05 AM
Quote from: holy ghost on February 11, 2018, 04:14:26 AMLive at Fiesta Grande would be a real treat if the whole set was recorded?
I got into a conversation about this elsewhere, and it sure seems likely. There should be all kinds of live soundboards for those fests somewhere. What a gold mine! If such a thing exists, I hope it doesn't disappear to tape rot before it gets unearthed. If they exist, I'd bet they're all on cassettes.
I have this tape:
https://www.discogs.com/Man-Is-The-Bastard-Live-Fiesta-Grande-15/release/6776840
Good sound quality, great sets.
The split with Guilty Connector and MSBR is a fine example of material by all three projects (I don' like GxCx's recent work).
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 11, 2018, 09:44:16 PM
It's funny how this scene can get ruffled when someone takes their violence, be it physical or emotional or verbal, to life; considering that's a substantial amount of what is alluded to in lyrics, art, etc. Shows how we are no less fickle than any other subset or demographic. "You've gone too far!" Huh?
In general, probably not less fickle, but from perspective, what I see happening is people are not reacting in a way of "you're gone too far!". But rather... well, grown up man, with pHd. Rants in facebook like a kid, yelling obscenities and hiding under "free speech". Come on... It's not about "gone too far", but quite the opposite. Becoming a norm. Rejecting anything what was actually counter cultural force in them, transforming into 1:1 with prevailing mindset and social media norm. So absolutely,
not going too far, but
regressing into bs.
How about getting that Eric Lunde tape box done that C.Process hoarded to bending releases like 10 years ago, instead focusing on re-tweeting president like everybody else....? pfff...
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 10, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
One can take a look message above for something said c. 6 years ago. I still stand still in same state of mind.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 11, 2012, 10:14:54 PM
This original early style of short innovative tracks, unique take on lyrics/graphics/presentation, etc. It is what made the big impact. I do value their later works as well, but I think some of the original feel has been lost when tracks have extended lengths and similar tones/oscillations used over and over again.
I greatly appreciate the latest Bastard Noise / Outermost collaboration 7". It proved once again that Bastard Noise is at its best in 7" format, and perhaps also: collaborations.
That said, if this and the Outermost collaboration mark highlights among Bastard Noise collaborations, maybe project is going for better direction? Lets hope so!
Not to derail the thread but I'd say that's because Kei Yokota is also a genius who probably deserves his own thread on here as well. From Outermost to Scab, Invader From Mars or Deadly Verity (and all the other stuff he put out on Cat Move), he sure knows how to make great music...
The X 5 CD set is certainly underwhelming; it has its moments but essentially amounts to nothing more than a compilation of random collaborations with no kind of unifying theme.
For me BN were at their best during the early Wiese / Wood period. The old analog sound was elevated by Wiese's digital manipulations and for the period really stood out as something quite fresh; the longer 'Space Drone' pieces are the BN tracks which I most often return to.
In my opinion the more recent stuff suffers from an over use of the Trogotronic equipment. The insistence on the core sound being based these instruments is what seems to hold the project back from pushing its creativity and developing a direction away from stagnation.
Recently picked up the BN / Sickness collaboration and Doomed Expedition, the latter being rather good. Recorded live at No Fun Fest 2009 I believe, straight through the mixing desk by Chris Goudreau, it sounds massive and Wood's performance stands out as visceral and vibrant and gives life to the bass heavy, rhythmic electronics - it's funny how Nelson's own personal equipment sounds far superior to any of his stock pieces; maybe it's just the way he utilises them... hmm.
(https://img.discogs.com/swcTLkvRZjtAmjHNiu6IeQIQ8Nk=/fit-in/426x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1429955-1238405252.jpeg.jpg)
I listened to this the other day, the electronics portions were really refreshing to hear. A seminal piece in a very large puzzle.
Quote from: Mikerdeath on March 19, 2018, 07:22:44 AM
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I listened to this the other day, the electronics portions were really refreshing to hear. A seminal piece in a very large puzzle.
Which release is this from? Don't think I've seen that before.
That's from the triple split
https://www.discogs.com/Unseen-Noise-Death-MITB-Bastard-Noise-Bizarre-Uproar-Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World/release/1429955
Bad Apple, what a great track! Something Death Squad could make as well...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 20, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
That's from the triple split
https://www.discogs.com/Unseen-Noise-Death-MITB-Bastard-Noise-Bizarre-Uproar-Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World/release/1429955
Ah... turns out I have a rip of this; one of the few BN releases I don't own.
Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World LP used to be fairly easy to get over here. Simply as two finnish bands in that era, probably sold it to many punks etc, who wasn't really that much into noise. I have two versions of this. One with multiple color printed covers, another with silver foil type embossed print. Due personal importance not going to get rid of either version. Silver one I found in regular 2nd hand music store many years ago. Each band on this LP is really good.
Latest scores of BN arrived on mail yesterday:
BASTARD NOISE + CONSCIOUS SUMMARY "Peace lies elsewhere" 7"
Two tracks on this collaboration, Funerals for fetuses / The Space ark. Both good. Both rather carefully composed to be side long pieces with clear structure using elements of humming ambience, Wood's trademark vocals, and oscillating electronic noise from bastard engines. While tracks themselves are good, my complaint is the over-use of that one same oscillator box he uses on pretty much everything for years. And how it is used, is randomly yanking bursts of noises out of it. It's unlike almost anyone else does, but in context of BN, it repeats so many times, I'd rather hear it being used focused for specific sound, that doing the same trick in so many songs. Good 7", nevertheless.
BASTARD NOISE + ANTENNACLE collaboration 7"
This is way better of the two new ones. Simply for just mentioned reasons. Songs have focus in specific sounds that do not appear random yanking on buttons to created bursts, but there is basically 4 layers of sound, each very distinctive. Humming background, looped rhythm, high pitched electronics and processed spoken samples. While structure is simple, each layer drifts and modulates.
Same for b-side. No spoken pieces there, but well done tracks where each sound makers noises contribute to wholeness greatly. Same odd rhythm sound repeats here and there through entire 7", but not without some pauses and changes. This is some kind of memorial 7" for guy called Rick Gribenas, who was in Antennacle. 7" comes with insert where Wood + remaining Antennacle member tell their memories of Gribenas.
I've been very slowly and sporadically revisiting (possibly, to be honest, visiting for the first time with focus) the Our Earth's Blood 5CD. There's some great stuff on there. Wood and Clew of Theseus worked well together. More could have come out of that collaboration; even a whole other solid slew of releases under a new name. CD1's 2nd and 5th tracks were highlights. CD2's 3rd track was standout, but as a whole, this disc was underwhelming in comparison to CD1. CD3's 4th track was the highlight, but the disc was decent overall. CD4's 3rd and 4th tracks were good hitters; the 4th track being a collaboration with Merzbow that worked better than I expected. CD5 might have been the best disc, with tracks 2-4 all being really good. Track 2 might be the best thing I've heard from Wood + Guilty Connector, but that is nothing I could swear by without going back to whatever else they've released (two other discs?). The final track of the set, track 4 with Rick Gribenas + Bizarre Uproar, was a great way to close the box.
I can understand why this box is a difficult thing to swallow or with which to find real enthusiasm. It's unique; a massive collection of unreleased collaborations. I wonder how much editing went into this. Was it entirely up to Wood? Or how much did Cathartic Process have to do with it? I would think such editing could very easily put artist and label at odds (not saying they were at odds) because of how much was at stake. The story behind this thing could be interesting. Personally, I think the box is definitely worth hearing. There's a lot going on here that is valuable if you're a Bastard Noise fan.
Have been off the BN purchasing for a while, I've missed a few 7" records but seems like his output has really slowed down - as well as the Deep 6 reissues that we're happening for a while. I hit up Rogue Astronaut, Live In Japan CD today and I'll probably do a few others. There's a few LPs I probably haven't even heard and some like "The Hoak Sessions" I hardly remember. The output is so massive sometimes it gets lost in the shuffle.
Rogue Astronaut is definitely worthy of the praise it gets. I'll have to go back and revisit - there's a 10" in my collection I absolutely do not remember buying and a few others that need some TLC.
Rogue Astronaut is absolute peak BN. Everything since has felt derivative.
Quote from: Galactic Plagve on March 21, 2018, 01:37:01 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 20, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
That's from the triple split
https://www.discogs.com/Unseen-Noise-Death-MITB-Bastard-Noise-Bizarre-Uproar-Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World/release/1429955
Ah... turns out I have a rip of this; one of the few BN releases I don't own.
with all the socially conscious whining BN do, I've always wondered if they regret doing that split w BU.
Quote from: PuddysJacket on October 06, 2019, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: Galactic Plagve on March 21, 2018, 01:37:01 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 20, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
That's from the triple split
https://www.discogs.com/Unseen-Noise-Death-MITB-Bastard-Noise-Bizarre-Uproar-Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World/release/1429955
Ah... turns out I have a rip of this; one of the few BN releases I don't own.
with all the socially conscious whining BN do, I've always wondered if they regret doing that split w BU.
Blah blah blah blah. Eric played with BU and Grunt year before last in Europe & still keeps up with the Finnish sounds. Newsflash: people with differing ideas can maintain contacts, friendship & respect. Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
Quote from: yosef666 on October 07, 2019, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: PuddysJacket on October 06, 2019, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: Galactic Plagve on March 21, 2018, 01:37:01 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 20, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
That's from the triple split
https://www.discogs.com/Unseen-Noise-Death-MITB-Bastard-Noise-Bizarre-Uproar-Sources-Of-Power-From-Another-World/release/1429955
Ah... turns out I have a rip of this; one of the few BN releases I don't own.
with all the socially conscious whining BN do, I've always wondered if they regret doing that split w BU.
Blah blah blah blah. Eric played with BU and Grunt year before last in Europe & still keeps up with the Finnish sounds. Newsflash: people with differing ideas can maintain contacts, friendship & respect. Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
Finally, a voice of reason.
BN are huge influence for me. First noise I heard as a child.
There has never been "issues" between any Finnish bands & BN. Eric always showed interests and support. Perhaps his attitude can be displayed in one CD published by Freak Animal 20 years ago: Bastard Noise – Bastard Noise Hails The Finnish Sound Masters / The Symptoms Of A Failing Equilibrium.
His appreciation to Finnish noise has been long lasting and constant. This CD is something I have though could probably require repress. I may be biased, but I also do have ears, so I can conclude that back in late 90's, when supreme Bastard Noise sound was combined with handful of Finnish artists at the time, it added extra level of sound that isn't typically BN, contributed it to be more. In some cases I feel contributors make BN less. As a album this was not just another collaboration, but one of the very first. Perhaps that was reason for enthusiasm and creativity reeking from it? I recall there was collab with MSBR and Namanax/wis that came out before.
https://youtu.be/XItjO7K90A8
Quote from: yosef666 on October 07, 2019, 08:11:49 PM
Newsflash: people with differing ideas can maintain contacts, friendship & respect. Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
Glad to see this written in black and white right here. Absolute truth and would also be applicable in the "pussification"/"gentrification" thread
Man is the Bastard/Bastard Noise was my gateway into noise/PE. Hearing releases like the "Thoughtless" LP and the "Sum of the Men" comp CD, both of which came out while I was still in high school, changed my perceptions around music and sound. It wasn't until my late 20s that I really dug deeper than the easily accessible (Merzbow etc.), but MITB/BN was the starting point for all of it for me.
ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT
(https://i.ibb.co/vPprFk5/bn.jpg)
Quote from: yosef666 on October 12, 2019, 06:50:23 AM
Man is the Bastard/Bastard Noise was my gateway into noise/PE. Hearing releases like the "Thoughtless" LP and the "Sum of the Men" comp CD, both of which came out while I was still in high school, changed my perceptions around music and sound. It wasn't until my late 20s that I really dug deeper than the easily accessible (Merzbow etc.), but MITB/BN was the starting point for all of it for me.
ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT
(https://i.ibb.co/vPprFk5/bn.jpg)
pretty much the same for me, but also add in the Cleveland hardcore scene especially Dwid from Integrity
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 08, 2019, 08:22:26 AM
There has never been "issues" between any Finnish bands & BN. Eric always showed interests and support. Perhaps his attitude can be displayed in one CD published by Freak Animal 20 years ago: Bastard Noise – Bastard Noise Hails The Finnish Sound Masters / The Symptoms Of A Failing Equilibrium.
His appreciation to Finnish noise has been long lasting and constant. This CD is something I have though could probably require repress. I may be biased, but I also do have ears, so I can conclude that back in late 90's, when supreme Bastard Noise sound was combined with handful of Finnish artists at the time, it added extra level of sound that isn't typically BN, contributed it to be more. In some cases I feel contributors make BN less. As a album this was not just another collaboration, but one of the very first. Perhaps that was reason for enthusiasm and creativity reeking from it? I recall there was collab with MSBR and Namanax/wis that came out before.
https://youtu.be/XItjO7K90A8
The answer I was looking for - thank you.
If you like what Wood and his vocalist(s) do with bouncing vocals off electronics, this Seattle band does a nice job of it. They're a tad more refined than Bastard Noise and more out of the industrial realm. This is off their demo, but they also have a very good album from this year (also at the bandcamp page).
https://toenditall.bandcamp.com/album/to-end-it-all
another one influenced by Wood's vocals. more in the vein of industrial and noise than MITBN. Quick serarch at Discogs didn't find anything.
https://kaijukijo.bandcamp.com/album/unforgivable
Both of those were really cool - thanks for sharing. I'm just making a cursory scan of both right now but I'd definitely check more out.
My fav. releases from BASTARD NOISE are the split with THE ENDLESS BLOCKADE (even it sounds like a MITB release), Rogue Astronaut, the Ancient And Unknown Brutality compilation and the splits with BIZARRE UPROAR, GOVERNMENT ALPHA and MERZBOW. But the best release is the recycled cassette.
https://www.discogs.com/de/Bastard-Noise-Recycled/release/518754
BN keep themselves pretty busy and already now in 2023 there is new full length LP I believe?!
Bunch of stuff came out in 2022, and happened to catch these:
Bastard Noise & Merzbow - Retribution By All Other Creatures 2 x LP
Relapse
Nice to see Relapse level label doing new noise, even if by known names. One LP is Merzbow working with BN sound, and the other LP is other way round. I like both! While Bastard Noise certainly has so strong style for decades, that you pretty much know what you will get. Vocals follow the routines of boomy roar, raspy talk and weirdo screeching scream in that trade mark BN style, with addition of collaborators sources, the simple caveman electronics oscillations and clean studio production works out nicely.
You can hear the caveman electronics along Masamis work and both these LP's rotated multiple times.
Bastard Noise & Diagram: A - Collaboration Split LP
Sound Probe Recordings
Re-issue of 1998 collaboration tape, but it also says that "These sessions were meticulously sequenced & remastered", so not sure how different it is? It is good stuff, little dirty vinyl press maybe, but not too drastic surface noise. If you like Sound Probe reissue stuff that has been coming out lately, this fits along them nicely too.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 19, 2023, 10:35:51 AM
BN keep themselves pretty busy and already now in 2023 there is new full length LP I believe?!
Bunch of stuff came out in 2022, and happened to catch these:
Bastard Noise & Merzbow - Retribution By All Other Creatures 2 x LP
Relapse
Nice to see Relapse level label doing new noise, even if by known names. One LP is Merzbow working with BN sound, and the other LP is other way round. I like both! While Bastard Noise certainly has so strong style for decades, that you pretty much know what you will get. Vocals follow the routines of boomy roar, raspy talk and weirdo screeching scream in that trade mark BN style, with addition of collaborators sources, the simple caveman electronics oscillations and clean studio production works out nicely.
You can hear the caveman electronics along Masamis work and both these LP's rotated multiple times.
I haven't had the chance to listen to my copy of the collab yet, but I did get the chance to talk to Eric about it for a while when I bought it from him at a Bastard Noise show last month. He was extremely proud that the vinyl mastering was done by the same guy who did Tupac, Sex Pistols, Black Flag and many other such huge musicians!
(Bastard Noise live in 2023 is an immense experience, by the way. He literally destroyed one of the venue speakers during his set, but kept on playing as if nothing happened!)