Been listening to a lot of this stuff lately. Some of my favorites include
Headless Horseman
https://headlesshorsemanberlin.bandcamp.com/
Death Qualia
https://privatearchive.bandcamp.com/album/mask-surgery-ii
Hiro Kone
https://hirokone.bandcamp.com/
Alexandra Atnif
https://alexandraatnif.bandcamp.com/
Anyone else?
This mix is excellent
https://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=645
Where is the time everybody seems to be hating on Dominick and other noise dudes for doing techno stuff? I miss that.
Anyway big fan of Aufnahme+Wiedergabe label.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwAgAk8pnKk
But there is so much good stuff today, it's really amazing.
Off the top of my head some of the best recent fucked up dance music I've heard.
[EDIT: not all strictly 'techno' perhaps.]
Veldt https://aughtvoid.bandcamp.com/album/contingent-crown-2 (https://aughtvoid.bandcamp.com/album/contingent-crown-2)
Enrique https://bank.bandcamp.com/album/bnk-007-3 (https://bank.bandcamp.com/album/bnk-007-3)
Nick Klein https://soundcloud.com/nick-klein/live-in-montreal-31718 (https://soundcloud.com/nick-klein/live-in-montreal-31718)
Cienfuegos https://soundcloud.com/l-i-e-s/cienfuegos-the-seventh-sister-lies-108 (https://soundcloud.com/l-i-e-s/cienfuegos-the-seventh-sister-lies-108)
D. Blavatsky https://soundcloud.com/d_blavatsky/drink-it-down-down (https://soundcloud.com/d_blavatsky/drink-it-down-down)
Container https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXgX0pPX7E8PX7E8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXgX0pPX7E8PX7E8)
Long time Vatican Shadow fan although a good portion of the newer material falls pretty flat for me. That being said, I am not really shocked at the direction he has chosen to take in recent years. I don't really find it to be as much of an affront to his "roots in noise" as some people seem to. Would easily take a new VS release over any Headless Horseman or Ancient Methods any day of the week.
I would also say that any of the pre-Nordic Flora era Varg, like the material on Star Alliance or his tape on Ascetic House is pretty essential.
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on October 28, 2018, 06:15:30 PM
I would also say that any of the pre-Nordic Flora era Varg, like the material on Star Alliance or his tape on Ascetic House is pretty essential.
I am astounded by how quickly this project went down the toilet. Some amazing ideas in the beginning - from what I understand was created in total isolation of the techno scene. But then when he became part of scene his sound became infected with modern production techniques, auto-tuned vocals and hip-hop collaborations. Getting a 'producer to watch' profile in Rolling Stone perhaps says it all.
But before he was really known, I asked Jonas for an interview for Noise Receptor Journal No.3. But that never happened due to inaction/ laziness on his part, which today I am mighty glad of it never eventuating!
Quote from: re:evolution on October 28, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on October 28, 2018, 06:15:30 PM
I would also say that any of the pre-Nordic Flora era Varg, like the material on Star Alliance or his tape on Ascetic House is pretty essential.
I am astounded by how quickly this project went down the toilet. Some amazing ideas in the beginning - from what I understand was created in total isolation of the techno scene. But then when he became part of scene his sound became infected with modern production techniques, auto-tuned vocals and hip-hop collaborations. Getting a 'producer to watch' profile in Rolling Stone perhaps says it all.
But before he was really known, I asked Jonas for an interview for Noise Receptor Journal No.3. But that never happened due to inaction/ laziness on his part, which today I am mighty glad of it never eventuating!
I keep a bit of a hands-off approach as to where people choose to take things as their 'career' progresses. Yes, it may be disappointing in some regards but ultimately I can't be bothered to hold people to certain standards. I am sure, and certainly hope, that the brilliance of some of his earlier work will find iteration in other projects (I am a huge fan of
D.Å.R.F.D.H.S. for example) or that the "early" sound will resurface periodically under the Varg moniker. I had the pleasure to meet him a few years back and found him to be thoroughly affable and wish him continued success in all honesty.
Anyways, that being said I have to agree that it really has been a fall from grace where my tastes are concerned. Some of the tracks on
Star Alliance are absolutely brilliant and give me that rare feeling of having somebody articulate a certain sound/atmosphere which has only lived in my head.
These have been on a somewhat heavy rotation in the last few months:
Credit 00 - The Metal Beat EP
https://ratliferecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-metal-beat-ep
Ueno Masaaki - Vortices
https://www.juno.co.uk/products/ueno-masaaki-vortices/545975-01/
Ryuji Takeuchi - Outbound To Innerself
https://innersurface.bandcamp.com/album/outbound-to-inner-self-ep
Teersom - Natural Dark
https://basementgrey.bandcamp.com/album/teersom-natural-dark-ep
I really hate the genre tag of industrial techno. I think a lot of the artists its applied to are just techno artists with a slightly harder or rougher sound. 12"s that are labelled "industrial techno" today would've been standard techno in the mid-nineties. I think it's mostly a bunch of marketing horseshit.
as a big collector of techno and industrial music, I have to say a lot of the artists already mentioned don't appeal to me at all. Headless Horseman is a notable exception but then I just see him as a good techno producer. maybe i'm too much of a purist and I don't like my genres to touch, but I think it's that lots of "crossover" artists just make watered down versions of two genres instead of one. and I think Ancient Methods is the most overrated garbage coming out of Germany for the last 10 years.
here are a few of my recommendations:
OAKE - Auferstehung 2xLP (2014) - Downwards - infinitely better than anything tagged "industrial techno" could ever hope to be. like the bastard offspring of Dead Can Dance and JARL, this is one of my favorite albums from the last ten years. the EPs OAKE has released before and after this have all been great but this is their magnum opus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAqEkblmS8A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAqEkblmS8A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZxByv8k4U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZxByv8k4U)
Samuel Kerridge - A Fallen Empire 2xLP (2013) - Downwards - soot-covered and murky as fuck. as much dark ambient with a pulse as it is terminator music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkQ7GnBl-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkQ7GnBl-g)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERtr38136BE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERtr38136BE)
Samuel Kerridge - Always Offended Never Ashamed 2xLP (2015) - Contort - Converter meets Yen Pox while SPK deejay. Cleaner sounding than the first album but more abstract and cold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lt7ghJhqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lt7ghJhqE)
Restive Plaggona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ8AV3QlMOY
Ybrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsHNI9xxtM
ConcreteMascara with some descriptions I cannot refuse investigating.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on October 29, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
I really hate the genre tag of industrial techno. I think a lot of the artists its applied to are just techno artists with a slightly harder or rougher sound. 12"s that are labelled "industrial techno" today would've been standard techno in the mid-nineties. I think it's mostly a bunch of marketing horseshit.
WELL SAID!
And yes, those Kerridge records are absolutely golden!
Ancient Methods' new 20-18 album is stale and dated upon release. In the same field I think Shifted does more interesting work.
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on October 29, 2018, 08:28:18 PM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on October 29, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
I really hate the genre tag of industrial techno. I think a lot of the artists its applied to are just techno artists with a slightly harder or rougher sound. 12"s that are labelled "industrial techno" today would've been standard techno in the mid-nineties. I think it's mostly a bunch of marketing horseshit.
WELL SAID!
And yes, those Kerridge records are absolutely golden!
Agreed on the labelling of such things. At the weekend I listened back to the Jeff Mills radio 1 essential mix from 1998 and in places it is hard as fuck - a much tougher sound than a lot of the stuff being pedalled as industrial today. Dax J seems to be grabbing a lot of the headlines as techno poster boy DJ at present, his sound is fast and aggressive but no faster than "normal" techno from the late 90s.....
Re: Shifted. Yes, some nice interesting sounds. Avian in general is a good label, especially the releases by SHXCXCHCXSH which are not especially industrial or techno, but well produced interesting rhythmic dubby weirdness.
There are a number of issues extant within this thread: the most obvious is the misuse of the prefix Industrial as noted by a previous poster. Such a thing does exist but no examples are present here. This is an example of Industrial Techno:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-r6TOxxtSU
I think it's clear (assuming I know what I am talking about) that this is a million miles away from the like of the work, great work, done by the likes of Headless Horseman (Bill Youngman) who in my opinion is a superb sound designer; but is his work industrial? It's not is it? None of his sound palette could be referred to as coming from the workplace. Don't forget: industrial as a genre-term means something
Ancient Methods has been name checked a number of times here, and it's worth expanding upon. AM were once a duo, these days are behind them. The first three records were made as a duo and what followed is now the work of a guy called Michel, a musical copyright lawyer (an irony lost on those who cannot identify his EBM reinventions. I would recommend anyone interested avert their ears from the latest product and focus w/ intent on Ancient Methods: First, Second & Third Method). For my money, their finest work is the opening track from AM 001 (a glimpse into industrial heritage is possible here) >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59LJWPU7k8s
I cannot fault it, it's still my favourite piece of him or theirs. Now, for real industrial techno, investigate Else from the Third Method >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQmo_3a2qA
Note how on close listening it repeatedly falls apart: it's running on vapours and is barely able to support and reassemble itself. Yet it does just that. I find it remarkable: machine music that fails to age.
Now then, Vatican Shadow, to my mind has made one great track: Cairo Is A haunted City >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighTUfL4KcU
In a pigs' eye is this industrial. None of his work could or should be conceivably termed industrial techno. Industrial trance? You could be onto something here. Yes, I am aware of his current status within the scene and have heard his club PA in recent months: this is John Carpenter w/ beats.
I choose to conclude this post w/ a mis-quote from the respected, lauded and ever industrious recording engineer and professional gob-shite, Steve Albini. When I first read this quote around 16 / 17 years ago I smelled a rat: a mere hater who could accept there is beauty and genius in rock but not electronica (a word he deliberately chooses to replace in favour of that ultimate pejorative, dance music).
Dance music: the last resting-place of a dying talent.
Having immersed myself in the genre for over two decades, I can wholeheartedly concur that his statement is overwhelmingly accurate.
I guess I have a pretty loose interpretation of industrial but I think the acts I listed have an industrial characteristic to their style. It may be closer to 30% industrial vs. 70% techno but anything greater than 10% industrial I think you could call industrial techno. I do actually enjoy Ancient Methods quite a bit.
Other projects I enjoy that I forgot to mention:
Simon Schall
https://youtu.be/ye5COGR55u8
Silent Servant (he was going to play here Friday but canceled, boo!)
https://youtu.be/YKLdUmXf8Zs
JT Whitfield
https://youtu.be/BosK8cvKTMY
Thanks for the suggestions most of the stuff mentioned here has been great so far!
This is definitely techno but with fingers in industrial pies.
I listen to this quite a lot, also loads of good stuff on the parent label Perc Trax
http://perctrax.bandcamp.com/album/bitter-music
Quote from: re:evolution on October 28, 2018, 10:34:26 PMauto-tuned vocals
This effect should be banned by law. Cher was enough!
Just this morning I was listening to British Murder Boys, which I guess fits the description.
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 01, 2018, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: re:evolution on October 28, 2018, 10:34:26 PMauto-tuned vocals
This effect should be banned by law. Cher was enough!
Just this morning I was listening to British Murder Boys, which I guess fits the description.
I have also been listening to the British Murder Boys and earlier Surgeon 12"'s in the last few months. I don't know if someone wants to split hairs about that stuff being industrial or not but it's punishing that' for sure.
A track i like : https://diacoperecords.bandcamp.com/track/ii-4 , techno , just.
Quote from: Decrepitude on November 01, 2018, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 01, 2018, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: re:evolution on October 28, 2018, 10:34:26 PMauto-tuned vocals
This effect should be banned by law. Cher was enough!
Just this morning I was listening to British Murder Boys, which I guess fits the description.
I have also been listening to the British Murder Boys and earlier Surgeon 12"'s in the last few months. I don't know if someone wants to split hairs about that stuff being industrial or not but it's punishing that' for sure.
See this is where genre revisionism starts to drive me crazy. When the BMB releases were originally coming out there was no such genre as industrial techno. They were just described as hard edged techno. The entire BMB run is undoubtedly great but its just really good techno. You could argue that the Jim Jones samples and related make it industrial but Regis was doing this prior to the start of BMB, and those older Regis releases are again just really good techno.
I see it all the time now where 90s and early 2000s techno 12"s are re-labeled industrial techno and its like wtf. We're just relabeling shit 20 years later now?
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on November 01, 2018, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Decrepitude on November 01, 2018, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 01, 2018, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: re:evolution on October 28, 2018, 10:34:26 PMauto-tuned vocals
This effect should be banned by law. Cher was enough!
Just this morning I was listening to British Murder Boys, which I guess fits the description.
I have also been listening to the British Murder Boys and earlier Surgeon 12"'s in the last few months. I don't know if someone wants to split hairs about that stuff being industrial or not but it's punishing that' for sure.
See this is where genre revisionism starts to drive me crazy. When the BMB releases were originally coming out there was no such genre as industrial techno. They were just described as hard edged techno. The entire BMB run is undoubtedly great but its just really good techno. You could argue that the Jim Jones samples and related make it industrial but Regis was doing this prior to the start of BMB, and those older Regis releases are again just really good techno.
I see it all the time now where 90s and early 2000s techno 12"s are re-labeled industrial techno and its like wtf. We're just relabeling shit 20 years later now?
Valid points. The way I've understood the term is not really as a genre in itself or genre revisionism, but as a descriptor like dark techno, filthy techno, or in some cases "industrial techno", to be applied maybe afterwards, to describe something as gritty, and hard, invoking "industrial" atmospheres, to separate it for example from some slick and neat German sound. There is also a slight and often noticed resemblance in aesthetics of the Downwards label with proper industrial records. But yeah, I get the irritation.
QuoteYou could argue that the Jim Jones samples and related make it industrial
Also, isn't that a Whitehouse sample on the BMB 12" ('Learn Your Lesson') from 2003?
Quote from: Salamanauhat on November 01, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
QuoteYou could argue that the Jim Jones samples and related make it industrial
Also, isn't that a Whitehouse sample on the BMB 12" ('Learn Your Lesson') from 2003?
I think that's right. the BMB gigs were infamous because they'd DJ Whitehouse tracks and related into their sets and Regis would yell and holler over the sets making it something closer to. it all came full circle when Downwards put out a Cut Hands 12" years later.
To speak to both your point and SILVUM's, yeah Downwards are the real deal and have always had a "harder" and/or "darker" aesthetic to the label, track titles, sound etc etc. the Detroit sound was stripped of its warmth and future-forward positivity and made into something more immediate, more inhuman. and these were guys listening to Throbbing Gristle, Godflesh and Scorn, rather than coming from disco and Motown.
Again to SILVUM's post and an earlier one, I think there's a consistent by many music listeners from other genres that techno is easy to make and it's where talent goes to die. Shitty techno is easy to make. Lasting and meaningful releases are few and far between. functionality will always be a part of any dance music genre, as it's there to make people move, but the best releases in any genre can do that while being worth hearing again and again at home. at the end of the day there's a lot of really good techno out there for anyone who wants to dive into a genre with a 30 year history. there's also an insane amount of releases in the genre every month so you can go broke just buying new shit from Hardwax. but to dismiss an entire genre because of an uninformed bias is to limit your own range of music to enjoy. not something I'm willing to do, at least in this context, but to each his own.
Quote from: SILVUM on November 01, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on November 01, 2018, 06:14:32 PM... to dismiss an entire genre because of an uninformed bias is to limit your own range of music to enjoy. not something I'm willing to do, at least in this context, but to each his own.
I'm not dismissing anything unheard and listen to whatever comes across my path, i'm just saying that lots of these newer things fall below my personal listening standards (most people here I assume have not listened to as much techno, so just my personal reaction) and there are mountains of similar works that meet these needs.
Even most fake Basic Channel imitation dub techno while "good" doesnt land in the archive for frequent listening, i'm just mean and critical.
Im sure people that collect Classical recordings are horrified by people that have a couple basic Beethovens.
Regarding Detroit, there are works where Im turned off by the spirituality that feels overbearing and I hate soulful vocals, but there is a wide range of clinical cold work. Even starting with basic like Jeff Mills theres tons of robotic scientific cold music, or some Robert Hood sadly hes religious, but there are some finely executed purely geometric works throughout his earlier years.
Edit: Rereading my rant, it seems non-constructive, sorry, sitting at work. Please percieve the intent as a heavy handed encouragement to look around as theres lots of music that would satisfy these interests beyond this newer stuff Sorry to be negative.
My own post was unclear. I was not suggesting that you're doing that, rather that many other people here and elsewhere might do it.
25 years of Downwards event coming up in London, just so happens to be at my favourite London venue too
http://www.corsicastudios.com/whats-on/november-2018/individual-collective-x-downwards-25-years/
This is confusing for someone who has little, or no, knowledge of this particular world. After listening to the Oake and Samuel Kerridge albums, I'm lost as to why it would be called anything techno. Is it simply because the artists are coming out of techno? And how does industrial techno differ from what is happening on Ant-Zen, Hands, and Hymen (and probably other labels and private releases, but since my ignorance begins where those labels end...)? Just looking for a little clarification and why this would have its own sub-genre and not be enveloped in already established places.
for the most part I have no clue what anyone is talking about in this thread, but I am positive that I could suggest S. English.
I have only heard the LP called Eris but i think anyone looking into modern industiral techno would fancy this - and I do believe it is INDUSTRIAL and TECHNO in a pure way.
I'm starting to appreciate the apprehensive and confused enthusiasm in this thread.
Quote from: xdementia on November 06, 2018, 09:07:17 PM
I'm starting to appreciate the apprehensive and confused enthusiasm in this thread.
This thread is fucked: it's utterly chimeric, and it needs to decide what it wants to be... Referencing big room, fat, meaty, faster-paced operators like Dax J can only serve to confuse. It's just dance music for people who like something harder and faster.
British Murders Boys were exceptional samplers: Exhibit A > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_2OGBh5x0 Exhibit B > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeiCJcP8-ag
It's worth mentioning that Surgeon (one half of BMB has said he cringes when he hears the term Industrial Techno).
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 02, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
After listening to the Oake and Samuel Kerridge albums, I'm lost as to why it would be called anything techno.
Bingo!
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 02, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Is it simply because the artists are coming out of techno?
No. It's because their records are being released by individuals/labels on
loose space labels (who oddly are considered
definitive) like Downwards, who whilst having their own aesthetic
per se essentially released anything they wanted - because that's what they wanted - and they could.
EDIT: Bad music is easy to make. Bad techno is easy to make. Excellent techno is NOT easy to make. cf. Monolake.
maybe not as "industrial" as downwards-stuff, but would definitely recommend thomas köners techno project with some other guy. first album as playlist on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpBOFHRibhY&list=PLwuwU_0SxdcII4i_PjNn6HzWoIIN7xMZ0
also basic channel! again, not the most industrial stuff, but hardly run of the mill techno, quite experimental. this should be a decent introduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZoI6gpjHo0
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on November 11, 2018, 05:34:56 PM
maybe not as "industrial" as downwards-stuff, but would definitely recommend thomas köners techno project with some other guy. first album as playlist on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpBOFHRibhY&list=PLwuwU_0SxdcII4i_PjNn6HzWoIIN7xMZ0
also basic channel! again, not the most industrial stuff, but hardly run of the mill techno, quite experimental. this should be a decent introduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZoI6gpjHo0
That Porter Ricks album is so good. I'll have to check out that Basic Channel record. Thanks!
Quote from: Decrepitude on November 11, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on November 11, 2018, 05:34:56 PM
maybe not as "industrial" as downwards-stuff, but would definitely recommend thomas köners techno project with some other guy. first album as playlist on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpBOFHRibhY&list=PLwuwU_0SxdcII4i_PjNn6HzWoIIN7xMZ0
also basic channel! again, not the most industrial stuff, but hardly run of the mill techno, quite experimental. this should be a decent introduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZoI6gpjHo0
That Porter Ricks album is so good. I'll have to check out that Basic Channel record. Thanks!
no problem, maybe you will like this 12" too, minimalist and hypnotic, but again not "industrial techno" as such:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03hQvwAsXus
i actually think that the early techno-scene was quite industrial-inspired.. although the scenes as such seem quite separated, at least now. used to listen to a lot of techno but got bored with the braindead rave culture...
Check out the Ancient Methods mix over on Resident Advisor it's a stormer.
Katsunori Sawa & Yuji Kondo (both fans of noise music in general) release some interesting "industrial" inspired techno over the years as Steven Porter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GiO2hRowU
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GiO2hRowU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX1E20j-Bc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX1E20j-Bc8)
Katsunori Sawa's solo work is notable as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwhNFUMxbng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwhNFUMxbng)
i like some of the old school pcp planet core productions label
like mescalinum united - symphonies of steel
the mover etcet.
also stuff like
p.a.l
somatic responses
christoph fringeli
potere occulto
praxis label
caustic visions
ant-zen - hymen
also like Ueno Masaaki like one of the other users said
and Franck Vigroux
heading towards industrial cyber-fi territory though
but these all have elements of industrial within a techno realm
Quote from: A-Z on October 29, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
Ybrid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPsHNI9xxtM
I tried getting into this artist over the weekend but just couldn't swallow it. Found it extremely annoying after a song or two.
However, I found the Restive Plaggona stuff pretty good.
Purchased this 25 track compilation, a good mix of German industrial techno, some clubbier sounds but definitely harder / experimental and powerful stuff
http://instrumentsofdiscipline.bandcamp.com/album/eating-from-the-orchard-of-the-heart-v-a
tekno industrial kept me away from real industrial musik and noise in my youth, umpio work is dedicated against that wrong kind of "industrial".
i disliked it then but do i hate it now
Bought the latest Hiro Kone LP mentioned in the first post and was pleasantly surprised..
https://beliefdefect.bandcamp.com/releases
I suggest you the labels South London Analogue Material, AnD (founded by AnD) and Repitch.
I haven't been paying much attention to new noise lately, but I am curious if there is any newer projects right now that lean towards utilizing beats or techno influences? Endangered Species has a few, but I'm definitely getting the bug again.
Quote from: powerhazard on April 02, 2024, 06:13:31 AMI haven't been paying much attention to new noise lately, but I am curious if there is any newer projects right now that lean towards utilizing beats or techno influences? Endangered Species has a few, but I'm definitely getting the bug again.
Not involving new acts, but Merzbow and Meat Beat Manifesto just did this: https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/extinct-csr330cd-lp
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on April 02, 2024, 07:01:54 AMQuote from: powerhazard on April 02, 2024, 06:13:31 AMI haven't been paying much attention to new noise lately, but I am curious if there is any newer projects right now that lean towards utilizing beats or techno influences? Endangered Species has a few, but I'm definitely getting the bug again.
Not involving new acts, but Merzbow and Meat Beat Manifesto just did this: https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/extinct-csr330cd-lp
Thank you for the link! The second track, Burner, is pretty interesting.
Quote from: powerhazard on April 03, 2024, 01:22:02 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on April 02, 2024, 07:01:54 AMQuote from: powerhazard on April 02, 2024, 06:13:31 AMI haven't been paying much attention to new noise lately, but I am curious if there is any newer projects right now that lean towards utilizing beats or techno influences? Endangered Species has a few, but I'm definitely getting the bug again.
Not involving new acts, but Merzbow and Meat Beat Manifesto just did this: https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/extinct-csr330cd-lp
Thank you for the link! The second track, Burner, is pretty interesting.
While I didn't order a copy myself, I was very surprised by how good this combination sounded.
Quote from: dodecaphonic on November 17, 2018, 05:40:07 AMi like some of the old school pcp planet core productions label
like mescalinum united - symphonies of steel
the mover etcet.
also stuff like
p.a.l
somatic responses
christoph fringeli
potere occulto
praxis label
caustic visions
ant-zen - hymen
also like Ueno Masaaki like one of the other users said
and Franck Vigroux
heading towards industrial cyber-fi territory though
but these all have elements of industrial within a techno realm
This dude gets it. Plenty to love here, P•A•L is a favorite of mine, and basically anything on Ant-Zen/Hymen is worth the time spent for any self respecting noise or industrial fan. WINTERKÄLTE, Imminent Starvation, Converter...all excellent extremely blown out and grating stuff that sits pretty perfectly next to any industrial or noise material in a library of albums/tracks.
I think a greater title for this thread would be "industrial electronic music" since "techno" is both oddly specific yet broad, as a signifier for style. As a person who has always loved both the extreme freedom and abstraction of noise and the often rigid structure of dance music, they both veer into each other pretty flawlessly despite any bounds put in place.
Chain Reaction is a great label for both the aggressive and the subdued sounds that can be crammed into the lexicon of "industrial techno"; a lot of it is straight up dub techno, slower BPMs, less aggressive, and then you'll listen to something else from a few months later in their release schedule and it'll be blowing your doors off their hinges.
I'm a huge Mick Harris head and his stuff as Lensman/Monrella/Eddy Masvoodler is some of my favorite straight to the point mixer-in-the-red no bullshit caveman techno (he even once told me in a message "nothing I do is complex, anyone can do it, no special gear no deep pockets"). I don't think those projects of his are talked about or appreciated nearly enough.
Quote from: GenitalStigmata on April 13, 2024, 03:22:21 AMWINTERKÄLTE, Imminent Starvation, Converter...all excellent extremely blown out and grating stuff that sits pretty perfectly next to any industrial or noise material in a library of albums/tracks.
For myself, and many others I've talked to, that Ant-Zen/Hands "power noise/rhythmic noise" movement in the late 90s/early 00s was a pretty important stepping stone into the world of noise itself. Some might have dismissed it as just "distorted techno," and a fair amount was, but the best projects working in that space had a lot of interesting soundscape work going on under the beats that wasn't all that far off from a typical Tesco pe record. Those three were definitely some of the best that have stood the test of the time. I'd add the first few Sonar releases and Morgenstern as well. I always thought it would have been interesting if WINTERKÄLTE in particular had tried their hands at harsh noise. Add a bit more feedback and high end to some of their textures and it would fit right in.
Imminent Starvation's "Nord" album had the distinction of being banned from my car stereo for a time. While driving on the freeway late one night, I had that cranked on, specifically the track "Tentack One" churning along. Nothing seemed particularly amiss. And then I noticed the lights on the side of the road flying by me like meteor streaks. Turns out I had accelerated to nearly 100 mph (160 kmh) without even knowing it. After slowing down, I think I put something else on until I got home as an act of self-preservation....
Love when people talk Winterkalte, Hands, Ant-Zen. I would imagine most of us in the US caught wind of Hands via Mr.Mantis/Malignant/Audio Drudge. The closest I ever got to that world on my own was maybe...maybe...reading Industrial Nation, but I know Malignant was my introduction. By Drums 'N' Noise, I sort of feel he lost his way, but Ant-Zen had picked up the torch and was drilling away at our earholes. Back then, Ant-Zen was one of the powerhouse labels, but does the noise/power-electronics community of today recognize that? The older folk know, but has it fractured away from noise enough, or for long enough now, that they're considered "over there" and not of interest? I guess I'm sort of guilty of it in a way. I have growing reverence for the label, and I get a bit jazzed to hear new releases by several of the artists on it. Yet, I often file it away somewhere else in my mind...until I give a new release a listen and am reminded that those artists are smack-dab in the mix of most of everything we discuss on this board. We are mistaken.
this is a good thread about it too
https://special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=3518.0
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 14, 2024, 09:52:14 PMLove when people talk Winterkalte, Hands, Ant-Zen. I would imagine most of us in the US caught wind of Hands via Mr.Mantis/Malignant/Audio Drudge. The closest I ever got to that world on my own was maybe...maybe...reading Industrial Nation, but I know Malignant was my introduction.
Being into the electro-industrial club scene at the time (by that I mean labels like Metropolis/Off Beat/Zoth Ommog, not the more pure form of industrial), I first caught wind of it through Noisex's involvement with Wumpscut's label. It hit at the right time for me, as I was getting starting to get restless with the former sound and looking for something more out there. Its funny though, looking back, because nowadays Noisex just seems "meh" to me, but credit where its due, he opened the door to that world. There was a shop in Philadelphia where I lived at the time called Digital Underground that actually stocked a lot of imports, so I was able to find some Ant-Zen stuff there (albeit at exorbitant prices), so I was lucky to have easier access than most. There were a few people talking about the "power noise" sound on the old rec.music.industrial USENET group at the time as well. Converter was getting a lot of buzz due to Scott's previous involvement in the well regarded Pain Station project. I distinctly remember someone on there saying to go get the sheet metal packaging edition of "Shock Front" from some distro in Maryland called Malignant. And that's how I started ordering from Jason.
Incidentally, that first edition of "Shock Front" (https://www.discogs.com/release/17769-Converter-Shock-Front (https://www.discogs.com/release/17769-Converter-Shock-Front)) was such a revelation to me at the time, having only seen typical CD packaging and the occasional box set. Of course, I'd experience far more elaborate packaging and presentation as time went by, but that particular CD is still one of my favorites, just for how it takes the mundane jewel case and does so much more with it. Its the perfect encapsulation of what you get with that CD, and of S.alt's aesthetics with a typical Ant-Zen release in general, really. Simple and powerful.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 14, 2024, 09:52:14 PMBack then, Ant-Zen was one of the powerhouse labels, but does the noise/power-electronics community of today recognize that? The older folk know, but has it fractured away from noise enough, or for long enough now, that they're considered "over there" and not of interest?
I do think A-Z maybe fell out of the "noise zeitgeist" a bit, if only because the most well-known time for the label was when they got away from that and towards more rhythmic, beat-oriented material. Still, they were pretty damn important in their early years. Releases from Aube, Con-Dom, Law...they certainly should be mentioned.
A-Z's has sort of returned to those roots as of late. He put out all those Control CDs, and more recently material from Am Not and Grim among others, so they're (re)recognition should continue to grow.
Quote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on April 15, 2024, 09:18:01 PMI do think A-Z maybe fell out of the "noise zeitgeist" a bit, if only because the most well-known time for the label was when they got away from that and towards more rhythmic, beat-oriented material. Still, they were pretty damn important in their early years. Releases from Aube, Con-Dom, Law...they certainly should be mentioned.
Yeah, this. I had originally found out about Ant-Zen thru being younger and getting into Venetian Snares, discovering the Hymen sublabel, and being put onto A-Z that way. Converter caught my eye immediately and from there the rest was history. Funny enough I ended up discovering a Hymen artist Terminal 11 is from my city and booked a ton of IDM stuff I was too young to have attended sadly, also became aware that Converter had played here more than once around that same time after I had discovered him from looking around discogs a ton. Several years ago I had pleasantly come into the knowledge that the A-Z labelhead already mentioned has been a visual artist for a bunch of notable influential industrial/noise acts. I think my favorite and possibly most mundane has to be the Merzbow CD that comes in a leatherbound calendar with a business card. The meeting of the two worlds of rhythmic and freeform artistry Ant-Zen has always facilitated has always been a reason I find people who are so outspokenly against anything with """beats""" to be false music and art fans. Maybe that's brash of me but really it's just in hopes they'll come around and eventually ditch the elementary school punk kid mentality.