Evenin'
Having gotten properly back into noise again, I've spent the last few weeks experimenting, recording and exploring new techniques.
Understand David is my new, good old fashioned noise project.
I'm not limiting it to HNW, this is just a selection of tracks, curated from one particular experiment that I felt merited a release.
I'd be interested to hear any feedback from fans of the style. I enjoyed the process of recording this, but it's definitely something that there's a time and a place for.
https://understanddavid.bandcamp.com/album/meditation-wall (https://understanddavid.bandcamp.com/album/meditation-wall)
I'm open to collabs, splits, etc so drop me a message if you want to discuss.
Cheers!
From Vomir...
NO ACT
NO POINT
NO RESULT
NO REMORSE
NO STRATEGY
NO COMPROMISE
NO DEVELOPMENT
NO RHYTHMIC JOY
NO EMO FEEDBACK
NO VISCERAL DRAMA
NO PC AESTHETICS
NO CLEAN ACOUSTICS
NO SOCIAL CONCERN
NO GENITALS POWER
NO PERSONAL INTERACTION
NO ENTERTAINMENT
MONOLITHIC FRONTAL SOUND
HARSH NOISE WALL
Proclamation of the Bruitist Wall
The individual no longer has an alternative but to completely refuse the promoted and preached contemporary life.
The only still free behavior is the noise and withdrawal, to never surrender to handling, socialization, and entertainment. The Bruitist Wall does not promise to repeatedly provide a direction and values with the lived existence.
The opaque, dull and continuous noise allows a total phenomenologic reduction, a means against the existential interpenetration : disengaged in the pure and unaltered bestial appeasing.
The Bruitist Wall is pro outsider, the voluntary outsider.
It calls in question the institution of any relation, all that destroys occurs.
The Bruitist Wall is a social challenge.
He challenges any concept of group, community, organization and admits the alternative of postmodern cloistering withdrawal from society. The refusal in the fold because any act even considered futurist, dada, situ or anarchist/straight edge is vain.
The actionism of disrepair cannot face the dilapidation, with factitious recovery, the prostitution of our derivative civilization. To observe contemptible outside should be only one last recall of the human nonsense before the épochè protestor.
Any thing and any being become without significance.
The Bruitist Wall is the loss of conscience of time to live in void and to let themselves run in the moment.
The Bruitist Wall is the physical loss of conscience.
The Bruitist Wall is the uninterrupted practice of the mental noise.
The Bruitist Wall is the militant purity in the not-representation.
Vigilant of the last sudden starts, let us adopt a new posture in withdrawal – neither tender, neither escape, nor bending - in order to be able to affirm "I never was there" in the desert created by the obliteration of our environment.
To lose any hope is freedom.
In the insulation of the Bruitist Wall, cellular nothing, to become its shade - impassive murderer of oneself - and thus to become shade of the man, unknowable, impersonal.
In the Bruitist Wall, to worsen its being, to be held unaware of and ignorant of all ; withdrawal requires the development of a pure indetermination which is forged in the lapse of memory of the emotional and intellectual constraining elements.
The Bruitist Wall, darkness of a spiritual martyrdom, is the union between the being and nothing, a lullaby without end.
The Bruitist Wall spreads its occult virtues, by hummings and the buzzes of its hermetic formulas, it disaggregates and calls with irrevocable disintegration.
Direction du Mur Bruitiste: Ordre Abîmiste
(2006)
Thanks for those quotes, I wasn't aware of the philosophical angle on HNW, but it makes perfect sense to this mind.
I'd mentioned in the liner notes that my 'method' of choosing a signal involved meditative absorption, but I didn't think to discuss it further. What I did as part of the 'composition' seems to align with the "Proclamation...", and the last third of it in particular. In fact, I would go so far as to say that HNW provides an interesting auditory representation of the 8th jhana: neither perception nor non-perception.
Experientially, the words of the "Proclamation..." ring true; HNW, in listening or production, doesn't involve entertainment. My enjoyment in the process comes from that active disengagement.
For something as seemingly simple as HNW, there's another world involved and one that I suspect many noise artists have merely glimpsed. Used as a meditative device, harsh noise can reveal much about the way our bodies receive and subsequently process sounds. That in itself can reveal much about the fundamental nature of this 'thing' we call reality.
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
But this pretentious?
He's probably laughing at us right now for taking it serious.
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
But this pretentious?
He's probably laughing at us right now for taking it serious.
Well Romain Perrot collaborates with Paul Hegarty (author of Noise / Music & Chair in French Studies, Faculty of Arts Nottingham University). Ray Brassier (philosopher) also was associated with Noise e.g. Mattin on some noise projects. And Masami Akita and Sam McKinlay both were influenced by Fine Art. It was I think this academic interest in Noise which singled it out from other genres. And you can trace the crossover between Art / Music / Philosophy in noise back to the Futurists, via Fluxus – with which the likes of GPO and LaMonte Young, Yoko Ono were involved. And further back Art/Music via Nietzsche...Schopenhauer Shelling... Kant...
Of course you don't have to do this, but Art, Music, et al doesn't just pop into existence. And sure maybe at times the philosophizing goes over the top, but the other extreme also has a downside.
(When asked if Sir Thomas Beetcham had heard any Stockhausen – he replied 'No, but i've trod in some')
So you can fuck the philosophical angle, which is what? Being reasonable...
"We gain access to the structure of reality via a machinery of conception which extracts intelligible indices from a world that is not designed to be intelligible and is not originarily infused with meaning."
Ray Brassier, "Concepts and Objects" In The Speculative Turn
Which IMO gives noise the edge re dealing with reality.
Edit: Maybe this should be moved to GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION?
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
But this pretentious?
He's probably laughing at us right now for taking it serious.
I don't think it has to be pretentious, though I can see it easily becoming so. Noise walls just seem much less interesting to me if I don't have something to think about (or look at for that matter) while listening to it.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
But this pretentious?
He's probably laughing at us right now for taking it serious.
I don't think it has to be pretentious, though I can see it easily becoming so. Noise walls just seem much less interesting to me if I don't have something to think about (or look at for that matter) while listening to it.
Except in the case of a Vomir performance you would most likely have a black plastic bag over your head... ;-)
Quote from: JLIAT on July 04, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
But this pretentious?
He's probably laughing at us right now for taking it serious.
I don't think it has to be pretentious, though I can see it easily becoming so. Noise walls just seem much less interesting to me if I don't have something to think about (or look at for that matter) while listening to it.
Except in the case of a Vomir performance you would most likely have a black plastic bag over your head... ;-)
It would still add some interest, I think!
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
Everyone can choose as they wish. But just putting Vomir's quotes up there as 'rules' is lame.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
Everyone can choose as they wish. But just putting Vomir's quotes up there as 'rules' is lame.
Who said they were rules? Vomir makes a similar point as to how others can regard his work, anyway they wish.
"Everyone can choose as they wish." Sounds like a rule to me. Like 'All all things are permissible'... ideas have a pedigree...
morals a genealogy. Of course everyone is free (maybe) to think and do as they wish, drink coke, wear levi jeans... carry arms...
Sure "Man Is Condemned to be Free" or condemned to think what others first thought?
So much blabbering. Just make some actually noise instead. Or call a hooker.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 12:54:09 PM
So much blabbering. Just make some actually noise instead. Or call a hooker.
Playlists on Sound Cloud with free downloads...
https://soundcloud.com/jliat/sets
200 + works from late 2019 to present.
Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/user/jliat
100 from the same... all around 17 minutes...
Presently working on next series of 50, 32 so far from beginning of June.
(not HNW just HN)
"Or call a hooker. " I don't know any rugby players...
Those online diaries is exactly part of what killed any interest in contemporary HNW for me. I didn't record so much material over the span of my whole 'career'. How about putting in some effort or quality control?
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Those online diaries is exactly part of what killed any interest in contemporary HNW for me. I didn't record so much material over the span of my whole 'career'. How about putting in some effort or quality control?
Christ, now you've done it...
Someone had to...
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Those online diaries is exactly part of what killed any interest in contemporary HNW for me.
What online diaries? I'm simply posting the work i produce, they are no accounts of my life...
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
I didn't record so much material over the span of my whole 'career'.
So? I've recorded far more than these - http://www.jliat.com/n1tb/index.html 233 DVDs containing 1 TB of MP3s HN (not HNW) playing time 711 days 14 hrs...
http://www.jliat.com/HNW510/index.html HNW - .WAV 143.7 days
Actually i cant see how skill relates to HNW? Use audacity, create white noise and Bass boost... you have HNW.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
How about putting in some effort or quality control?
I put in a fair amount of effort. As for quality control that is only needed to keep out the music.
"I threw all my past music career in the garbage.
There was no longer any need for concepts like 'career'
and 'skill'.
I stopped playing music and went in search of an
alternative."
—Masami Akita
Quote from: JLIAT on July 05, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Actually i cant see how skill relates to HNW? Use audacity, create white noise and Bass boost... you have HNW.
That's exactly how you're not doing it. But I won't say anything more about it now.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: JLIAT on July 05, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Actually i cant see how skill relates to HNW? Use audacity, create white noise and Bass boost... you have HNW.
That's exactly how you're not doing it. But I won't say anything more about it now.
I'm not doing Harsh Noise Wall, i'm improvising Harsh Noise. Different.
We have this-
"I threw all my past music career in the garbage. There was no longer any need for concepts like 'career' and
'skill'. I stopped playing music and went in search of an alternative."
—Masami Akita
"no dynamics, no change, no development, no ideas" – Vomir
And then this...
"Question : Is noise over?
Completely, 100 percent. That's part of why I'm quitting the label. All the categories, everything has run its
course. The whole solo culture of it has invented a million people playing by themselves trying to be
geniuses. You're getting a million one-way conversations."
John Olson (Wolf Eyes')
Obviously you support the latter? and it seems a failure for Olson - i support the former.
While I don't agree with mr.Olson's statement that noise is "over", I definitely agree with the last half. There is little to no curation, even by artists towards their own work. If I see one more band camp page with 88 albums,hasty photographs as covers, and no physical release, I'll scream. It seems that many of the Audacity -only crowd really think that the cream of their 88 albums worth will rise to the top for even casual listeners, or that their genius will be so apparent that we'll all gladly continue sorting through it. I suppose I may not be one to talk, I'm about to launch a diy label so I will also be trying to convince you all of my curatorial worth. But all of the philosophical and aesthetic trappings are meaningless if the sound itself does not speak to you. A manifesto should enhance the music, not justify it.
Poor Japsi was just trying to share his bandcamp,and has been quite derailed, ha.
Quote from: Rubby on July 05, 2020, 04:53:26 PM
While I don't agree with mr.Olson's statement that noise is "over", I definitely agree with the last half.
But what of the first two quotes, one by a pioneer of Harsh Noise, the other by a pioneer of Harsh Noise Wall.
As for the sound speaking to you, if it does its either music, or one is seeing patterns in a chaos which is not there, as in seeing patterns in tea leaves or ink blots.
But seriously good luck with your label. As for derailed - how is discussing Vomir re HNW a derailment, surely music with values, communication, entertainment would be. For isn't it clear by definition there is no content of differentiation in HNW, so no basis for auditory judgement.
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 05, 2020, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 04, 2020, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: CannibalRitual on July 04, 2020, 12:52:24 AM
Fuck the philosophical angle on HNW.
Doesn't it need a theme/background idea to some extent?
Everyone can choose as they wish. But just putting Vomir's quotes up there as 'rules' is lame.
I pretty much agree. Never cared much for manifestos.
Oh I don't mean to negate this discussion, just meant that I'm not sure it's what the OP wanted his post to be, ha.
As far as Masami's quote, i frankly don't care what he means. I loved his work well before I read that quote. If there is any sort of concept/explanation/manifesto etc. attached to a piece of art, we are all free to take it at face value, completely ignore it, and everything in between. I'm not dismissing that notion at all- i enjoy reading whatever the artist has to say about their work but ultimately I'm not obligated to incorporate it into my opinion of it. Even if the artist INSISTS that their 8 hour HNW is actually intended to be listened to from start to finish while doing nothing else, and only AFTER reading their 7 page manifesto, they cannot control what I conciously or unconciously extract from it.it seems that we noise/industrial types are always searching for the middle ground between "kill your idols" and revering our idols. myself definitely included.
If people want to discuss this in more detail (or a moderator wants the unenviable task of reshuffling posts to yet another part of the forum), feel free to contibute to this Noise Manifestos thread instead: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=10710.0
Quote from: Rubby on July 05, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
Oh I don't mean to negate this discussion, just meant that I'm not sure it's what the OP wanted his post to be, ha.
As far as Masami's quote, i frankly don't care what he means. I loved his work well before I read that quote. If there is any sort of concept/explanation/manifesto etc. attached to a piece of art, we are all free to take it at face value, completely ignore it, and everything in between. I'm not dismissing that notion at all- i enjoy reading whatever the artist has to say about their work but ultimately I'm not obligated to incorporate it into my opinion of it. Even if the artist INSISTS that their 8 hour HNW is actually intended to be listened to from start to finish while doing nothing else, and only AFTER reading their 7 page manifesto, they cannot control what I conciously or unconciously extract from it.it seems that we noise/industrial types are always searching for the middle ground between "kill your idols" and revering our idols. myself definitely included.
http://www.jliat.com/txts/Anidiotsguidetonoise.pdf
TL;DR ;-)