During c. week long holiday, read the paperback of "prosenttijengit" (percent gangs). This book goes in detail about early years of Finnish 1% gangs. The rise of Hell's Angels, followed with Bandidos and Finnish origin cannonballs with addition of non-MC gangs, local fames of Lahti Rogues Gallery and Natural Born Killers and the skinhead dominated Bats. The hangaround MC's are mentioned as well.
Book follows the 90's "biker war" where dozen people got killed, car bombs, bazookas, machineguns, handguns, sawn off shotguns, hand grenades and whatever useful was used to annihilate the opposing bikers and random bystanders.
In same street where my shop is, just the next block, was the bloodiest assault. During court lunch break people were shot in head in execution style.
Especially NBK is harsh. If you resign from gang in good terms, your little finger will be cut off. If you resign in bad terms, it's bullet in the head. For this method, the ex-leadership is serving life.
Book is filled with intense violence, yet at the same time it is very hard to actually focus on subject matter, where is no real ideology behind it. Simply just utter F.T.W.!
There are plenty of books about Hells Angels as well as other 1% gangs. For finns, the book mentioned above is mandatory. I guess IF translation would be done, it could be of interest in scandinavia due obvious connection the clubs have. I'm curious if there is english written books of lets say Denmark?
Lahti Rogues Gallery and Natural Born Killers
What are they about, drug dealing and the usual? MS-13 is one that seems to be spreading in the U.S. I usually watch documentaries on National Geographic about gang violence.
Chicago has the record for the largest car bombing by a biker gang. Can't remember which one; Hells Angels vs another.... Montreal Canada at one time had the most violent biker clubs. The Bandidos are all over TX but you rarely hear anything about them. All the people I've met were mostly hang-arounds and were just general idiots but idiots you didn't want to be around for long.
I was punched in the face once by a guy who was in a Houston club & served time for shooting a Bandido......
I remember very well when HA established themselves in Malmo and the biker gang war that ensued. My brother who worked in a prison saw plenty of both HA and Bandidos members pass through the system. Most of them dimwits. Violent yes, dangerous most certainly but none the less dimwitted losers. Not really what you'd expect from members of such renowned world wide crime organisations. Much more interesting are the secretive Brödraskapet (The Brotherhood) who consisted of long standing and hardened criminals only. They set up a biker chapter for a while but probably decided it was a waste of time and stuck to just being double hard fuckers instead. Officially they are a support network for "former" prisoners. In reality they are a prison gang/crime syndicate with chapters all over Sweden. An interesting detail is the Finnish flag in their coat of arms.
Does the book mention them at all? Are they represented in Finland?
http://www.brodraskapet.se/
I read Under and Alone (http://www.amazon.com/Under-Alone-Undercover-Infiltrated-Motorcycle/dp/1400060842) and while it was obviously very, very edited for best seller purposes, dramatized, predigested etc. it was an entertaining read. About Mongols MC and this guy who raised in rank while being an undercover cop all the time. Thrilling stories. And what's funny, as a sort of reaction to that (?) the president of Mongols published his own book (http://www.amazon.com/Honor-Few-Fear-None-Mongol/dp/B0057DC6MK/ref=pd_sim_b_3) later on.
The Sons of Silence from Colorado are funny. They all snitched on each other...
The History Channel had a great series about gangs. Of course, I can't remember the name but if you search their site, might be found there. Definitely worth checking out & I hope they return with a new season.
GANGLAND is the name of the THC show. SpikeTV is running it now... Probably easy to find online.
Mongols MC Scandinavia (http://www.mongolsmcscandinavia.com/) ... interesting.
I like the logo for The Pagans:
http://outlawbikergangs.blogspot.com/2010/04/pagans-mc-biker-gang.html
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 05, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
The Sons of Silence from Colorado are funny. They all snitched on each other...
CLASSIC!
The prison my brother worked in had the pleasure of hosting the guy who had scored the highest ever on Hare's Psychopathy Checklist in the history of the Swedish prison service. He was kept in the same wing as one Bandidos member and one HA member. To pass the time he went to the Bandidos guy's cell and said "mate, just overheard the HA guy down the corridor and he was bragging about how he's going to kneecap you on the outside". Then he repeated the same line, roles reversed, to the HA guy. It took the staff a while to diffuse that situation. Good for a laugh though.
Haven't read anything on 1% MC's but here is a pretty interesting documentary on the Hells Angels in the UK:
http://kicktokill.blogspot.com/2010/08/hells-angels-london-branch-1973.html
That book, "prosenttijengit" is very good. Funny, I used to know some members from Bandidos-MC, and they are really lovely guys, doesn´t really match the media-image : )
Marko Hirsma (ex-president of Bandidos) was my neighbour, and he was shot to death 2001 by his ex-mc members at our parking lot. He was one of the most violent bikers in Finland, but as a neighbour such a jolly guy. He was kicked out from Bandidos ´cause of his drug habits and violent behaviour. Used also to play in finnish rockband "Backsliders"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4egePpzUM
There's a swedish book called Svensk Maffia that was published a couple of years ago which is pretty good. Deals not only with the regular biker gangs operating here, but also gangs like Original Gangsters, Asir, Chosen Ones and my favorites FFL (Fucked For Life), who started out stealing mopeds in their teens but ended up specializing in robbing money transport trucks etc. Lots of shit has been happening in Gothenburg the last 10 years, one of the most famous incidents being when OG and Naserligan members opened fire at each other at a packed beach one hot summer day.
Hunter S. Thompson's book on the HA is a good place to start in terms of why MCs exist in the first place. Gangland does a good job of talking about individual bikers.
The bar I used to work at in Athens (where I go to school) was an occasional meeting house / checkpoint for the Southern Breed MC.
I had to ask them to move once so I could set up the PA for a show, and about 8 guys in leather and chains with "88" and "RAHOWA" patches all over stood up... fun day..
Quote from: TheGreatEcstasy on August 05, 2011, 09:35:25 PM
Much more interesting are the secretive Brödraskapet (The Brotherhood) who consisted of long standing and hardened criminals only. They set up a biker chapter for a while but probably decided it was a waste of time and stuck to just being double hard fuckers instead. Officially they are a support network for "former" prisoners. In reality they are a prison gang/crime syndicate with chapters all over Sweden. An interesting detail is the Finnish flag in their coat of arms.
Ah yes, you see those vests now and again downtown. Wasn't it because of them that the crust band had to change their name?
In Malmö, there's been a lot of shootings and executions the last few years between the groups "K-falangen", "M-falangen", Black Cobra and Lion Family. Mostly a bunch of violent youngsters with Scarface-wannabee tendencies who've grown up and become dangerous, blowing up resturants and killing each other in the streets (one guy, high in the hierarchy, was shot at MCDonalds in the center of the town). And the usual extorsion, drug dealing, etc. Connections to Serbia etc. The voluntary organization Lugna Gatan ("calm street") which worked with troubled youngsters, hired by the town to help kids get out of troublesome lifestyles, was actually connected to the M-phalanx, some of them still active criminals. Safe to say that they're not welcome anymore.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/malmo/article627392/BAKGRUND-M-falangen-K-falangen-Black-Cobra-och-Lion-Family.html
So, what's the idea behind this 1% thing?
The 1% implies they are outlaws and not part of the law abiding biker community. I'm guessing wearing a 1% patch on your jacket displays pride in being part of the select few who aren't pussies like the other 99%.
What the old hometown has become in the ten years since I left is another reason I'm glad I'm gone. It was always a shithole for various reasons but drive by shootings in broad daylight with innocent bystanders gunned down was unheard of before. Now it's every other month. The place has gone to shit and it keeps deteriorating.
Yeah that's what I supposed.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=213588395659266085821.000499b6adb4f39445c01 - map of the places blown this year only. Some connected to organized crime, some not. Probably not that many MC gansters behind these; I think they had their heyday in the 90's in Sweden. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=213588395659266085821.0004997d42b18943037c6 - places where shots have been fired at people or things. Great town.
Quote from: pestdemon on August 06, 2011, 06:13:38 PMBlack Cobra
Read from a newspaper while ago, that they are planning to expand to Finland.
Not much gang related action in here lately but they might colour(pun intented) up the finnish street gang scene.
Quote from: NIKOZ on August 06, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: pestdemon on August 06, 2011, 06:13:38 PMBlack Cobra
Read from a newspaper while ago, that they are planning to expand to Finland.
Not much gang related action in here lately but they might colour(pun intented) up the finnish street gang scene.
Wouldn't think so. The little I've seen of them they always come across like the looser gang in Warriors that didn't get an invite to the big gang meeting.
In Swedish there is a book called Svensk Maffia (Swedish Mafia) which is pretty decent and also the most lent out book from Swedish prison libraries.
There are several books about the Danish biker war in the eighties between Hells Angels and Bullshits (one thing that I always find amusing is that both gangs started as moped gangs in Copenhagen...).
Jönke - mitt liv / Jörn Jönke Nielsen [översättning till svenska: Dag Öhrlund] was one and maybe it be fun to own the Swedish version since it was released by Tremag which I'm sure some of you are familiar with.
Quote from: Strömkarlen on August 07, 2011, 12:10:55 AM
The little I've seen of them they always come across like the looser gang in Warriors that didn't get an invite to the big gang meeting.
The Orphans? haha sweet.
I found good sampling potential from this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ala-rRmu9hU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ala-rRmu9hU)
Don't forget the service Hells Angels did the world when "ending the 60's" at Altamont by turning the hippie dream into a nightmare. Hells Angels and The Rolling Stones in one unholy alliance. Hail Hells Angels, Hail Altamont!
Rape, Murder...
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2009/5/13/1242228046997/Hells-Angels-beat-Meredit-001.jpg)
(http://wzeu.search-results.com/r?t=a&d=apn&s=zuk&c=p&app=aoth&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dis&o=14899&sv=0a65294e&ip=4e936204&cu.wz=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.morethings.com%2Fmusic%2Frolling_stones%2Fimages%2Fhells_angels%2Fhells_angels-12-6-1969-altamont068.jpg)
That, and Manson - the penultimate finale to the Aquarium dream.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 05, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
The History Channel had a great series about gangs. Of course, I can't remember the name but if you search their site, might be found there. Definitely worth checking out & I hope they return with a new season.
Gangland I found a little irritating, but the series on 1%ers was really good - it included the Montreal violence and a couple of undercover operations within gangs which I found quite insightful. I can't remember the title either!
There are some local books about Australian MCs, haven't ventured too far into them yet. Would definitely recommend Hunter S' book on the HA, as suggested above.
Quote from: pestdemon on August 06, 2011, 06:13:38 PM
So, what's the idea behind this 1% thing?
It was a statement from a nice motorcycle rider (chairman of whatever biker organisation) in the US that 99% of the bikers were good sports and 1% where making the troubles. You shouldn't judge them all from what the 1% did. You know like not ALL football fans are fighting in the streets....
you're damn right Gangland is irritating... what's with that "aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHaaaa" sound as they cut between scenes? They use it like 100 times per episode....
I will post more regarding the subject when back home.
It has been one of my main obsessions in the past year and I plan to do a wertham release regarding their sexual habits (check the whole "wings" system).
One thing I have learnt in the past years is that once you befriend one of these, you are safe.
if you piss one off, you have all his family after you, since even those who are not involved in criminal activities take their patches for serious.
I still can't understand how things got so out of hand in Scandinavia, Holland (check the amazing book in Dutch with details of their control of the Red Light Zone), Australia and, especially, Canada where, despite Michael Moore's documentary where every Canada sounded like a peaceful land with almost no violence, they have been going on for years with hundreds of deaths.
Check for this fella' named Apache, who confessed over 40 murders before turning a snitch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Trudeau_%28biker%29).
Under and alone is a damn good book, and describes pretty well the sense fo family.
A very good book on the subject is "BIKERS Mammooth book", that features the different sides of the coins.
I really enjoyed Lory666's books. He is the president of the Italian HA, a decent guy who described his experience in three books that alternate personal experiences, long rides that sounds like real adventures and made me one ride even if can barely drive a bike, and the time spent behind bars due to a massive confrontation between HA and Outlaws in Verona a couple of years ago.
There have been one murder (an HA killing a Bandido apparently in self defence), and some minor acts of violence, but the situation is heating up and the cops arrested a bunch of Outlaws and members of other groups recently.
I have several photobooks, one is very impressive, printed by the European HA themselves, edited by an Italian photographer.
I will post details from home.
Ganglans features great images and witnesses, but has this hype atmosphere that makes me wanna shit.
Get the Filthy few episode anyway!!! A classic.
Quote from: Nyodene D on August 08, 2011, 09:30:40 AM
you're damn right Gangland is irritating... what's with that "aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHaaaa" sound as they cut between scenes?
Now it makes me laugh every time I hear it.
so, here we go with some HA books.
Hells Angels Motorcycle Club - Andrew Shaylor/Sonny Barger
Impressive b/w photobook with recent pictures of the members of the Uk chapters of the HA. Very stylish, but this does not weaken the expressions and the collection of permanent scars, stabmarks and tattoos.
There is an expensive limited edition signed by Barger and Shaylor, with hardcover, etc.
Hells angels europe through the decades
(http://www.hells-angels.at/cover.jpg)
http://www.hells-angels.at/Frameset.html
The best book in my possession.Shitload of pictures of members, newsclips, merchandise of the European chapters, featuring everything you can imagine.
Despite the unattractive cover, the contents are worth your money.
DE GEVALLEN ENGEL - JHON VAN DEN HEUVEL & BERT HUISJES
As all books written by snitches I am not so sure about contents, but there are many impressive pics and a strong focus about the internal bloodshed.
(http://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase/regular/FC/7/5/5/2/1001004006572557.jpg)
Dees anybody know about the existance of similar books regarding other MC clubs??
Some interesting material can be found in this site: http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/HAHolland.html
There's a ton of books on the Danish 1% scene, none I remember to be very good. Last couple of years has seen HA and especially the youth division AK81 in rather harsh war with different immigrant gangs. Quite a lot of people got shot.
One of my good friends father and uncle was two of the founding members of Hells Angels Denmark, so I've had my share of crazy stories. A couple of my martial arts instructors also have some affiliation to HA, all genuine nice, charismatic, funny guys. A lot of the younger AK81 affiliates seems to be a bunch of wannabees with nowhere near the same intense attitude or intellect that made guys like Jønke, Blondie and the likes so notorious
Hell's Angels: Three Can Keep a Secret If Two Are Dead' by Y. Lavigne is good & same author has anothe rbook called something like "Hells Angels at War" (I think I've read that). And another called "Hells Angels: Into the Abyss" which I have read years ago. Search Hells Angels on amazon & alot of books come up.
The 400# biker who punched me had a bike with a chromed bitch bar with SS on it. He wore gold SS & Swastika rings. He's been dead for a few years. The year or so before he dropped dead, he was very respectful & polite to me when he saw me in various bars.
why did he punch? you if I may ask
regarding ak81, and more recent evolutions of HA culture, check the Jackal Manifesto, that has been causing some stir...http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/06/jackal-manifesto.html
Jackall Manifesto was acutally discussed as a band name for a new project here in CPH. It's a pretty retarded read
I was sitting at a table with the biker & someone else on Halloween. Everything was fine but the guy was more drunk than he led on (the bar owner wouldn't allow him to have whiskey b/c he'd always got violent & he'd been drinking whiskey) & didn't take a joke I made very well. It was a weird situation, I thought he was talking about one thing, asking me questions I had no clue about then BAM! fist to the face. This guy was well over 6 ft tall & 400 #'s. I'm not a fighter so not alot I could do. Bloodied my nose, got a couple shots in.. My only barfight with the biggest asshole in the place.
damn. OT
I think we should start a thread about similar experiences. I am sure everybody of us had at least one of these experiences. end OT
You mean a thread like "I'm a smartass & I got my ass kicked for it"?
lol yes! or also something like "omega male - already adult but still bullied"
anyway there have been rumours of an ongoing small scale biker war in Italy.
some arrests in both the outlaws and the hells angels ranks due to mutual aggressions and conspiracies.
the whole "unknown bikers MC" stuff in Veneto has been sued after a raid in a Outlaw Mc club
Quote from: tiny_tove on August 10, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
I am sure everybody of us had at least one of these experiences.
I got punched in the mouth several years ago whilst walking. my omega male response was to keep walking.
I guess you cant do anything if some big biker hits you but these guys were pretty nerdy looking.
there were a ton of lahti based criminals working at some warehouse I also worked at.all of them were very nice guys. one them had the coolest scar going all around his head. he got it from jumping through a window on purpose.
3 bikers 2 with full HA backpatch i have see while i was driving between mtl and quebec last week been a while i have not see 1% patch on the road here last time was one from BC maybe 12 years ago !
A couple months ago three people got killed in Belgium (Maasmechelen), two members of the Outlaws MC (one 1%-er, one hangaround) and a friend of them. Apparently a guy from the Hell's Angels started a tire shop and the three guys went to the opening reception, even though the boss of the Outlaws had forbidden any of the Outlaws to go there.
Of course members of the Hell's Angels were suspected, but I don't know whether they have found who did it.
There also were fears of revenge and 'war' between the two gangs, but the 'boss' of Outlaws Belgium called all members not to take revenge.
I believe there also was a shooting incident, shots fired, but nobody got hurt, before all of this, but I can't clearly remember the details.
In Finland was just in news few days ago massive drug arrest. Guns, drugs, etc taken from HA clubhouse, and people into highest president level arrested.
http://www.repubblica.it/persone/2011/09/13/foto/caius-21607412/1/?ref=HRESS-1
caius apparently satanic hell's angel
What a qt!
New season of SONS OF ANARCHY on FX started last week.
just watched second episode and it was very good...
denny treyo buttugly as usual
I watch S.O.A. but I hate it. So ridiculous. Best show on FX was TERRIERS & it didn't get a 2nd season.
Ok, back to the 1%'ers livin' on the edge...
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/general/2010/04/201041275338185250.html
gang war in denmark
http://www.genova24.it/2011/09/rapine-minacce-ed-estorsioni-in-manette-16-bikers-degli-hells-angels-19951
16 HA arrested in Genoa.
Quote from: KMusselman on September 25, 2011, 01:45:46 AM
Fatal shooting at Nevada casino; biker gangs eyed:
http://news.yahoo.com/fatal-shooting-nevada-casino-biker-gangs-eyed-203259037.html
Turns out it was the head Hells Angels of the San Jose chapter.
Curious to see if the fighting will continue.
That "Swedish maffia" book was translated into Finnish recently, just borrowed it from the library last week.
Btw the writer of Prosenttijengit died a few weeks ago (of cancer).
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 05, 2011, 09:35:25 PM
Much more interesting are the secretive Brödraskapet (The Brotherhood) who consisted of long standing and hardened criminals only. They set up a biker chapter for a while but probably decided it was a waste of time and stuck to just being double hard fuckers instead. Officially they are a support network for "former" prisoners. In reality they are a prison gang/crime syndicate with chapters all over Sweden. An interesting detail is the Finnish flag in their coat of arms.
Does the book mention them at all? Are they represented in Finland?
http://www.brodraskapet.se/
I'd guess some of them are Finnish? In the Swedish mafia book I noticed that most people in the original HA Sverige had Finnish surnames.
Btw there's a gang called United brotherhood in Finland now, formed by people from NBK, M.O.R.E. and Rogues gallery.
Quote from: Haare on October 05, 2011, 04:31:45 PMIn the Swedish mafia book I noticed that most people in the original HA Sverige had Finnish surnames.
Ha! Why am I not surprised?
Sometimes I dream of starting up my own 1% gang. We'd roam the streets and beat up hipsters, artfags and Skullflower fans Mad Max style. All in the name of keeping industrial pure and real. Yeah baby!
currently trial with Cannonball MC going on in Finland. Attempted murder, attempted homicide, illegal firearms, explosives, GSM signal blocking machine, etc.
2 of my best friends as a child grow up to be members of HA. It is very big out here in Arizona. One if in jail now for selling Meth the other owns a tattoo shop that he had to paint red and black as part of his initiation. A lot of the people I had to associate with, because I am white, while doing time in jail and prison were members of MC's.
OT Ryan, I think you should write something about your time in the dock, or at least the part that is shareable in public. end OT
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on October 05, 2011, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Haare on October 05, 2011, 04:31:45 PMIn the Swedish mafia book I noticed that most people in the original HA Sverige had Finnish surnames.
Ha! Why am I not surprised?
Afaik HA Sverige was based on the former Perkele MC which was a Finnish MC in Stockholm.
Quote from: Haare on October 08, 2011, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on October 05, 2011, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Haare on October 05, 2011, 04:31:45 PMIn the Swedish mafia book I noticed that most people in the original HA Sverige had Finnish surnames.
Ha! Why am I not surprised?
Afaik HA Sverige was based on the former Perkele MC which was a Finnish MC in Stockholm.
That might have been the case in Stockholm but the first Swedish chapter was opened in my old hometown Malmo. The club was called Dirty Dräggels and their leader was Thomas Möller. A highly intelligent guy often seen in the media where he would run rings around reporters and other opponents. I would think because of the location that HA Copenhagen played a big role in DD's road to becoming full members which they achieved in in 1993. The Swedish crime world was changed forever after that.
Didn't know much about the history of Perkele MC but a google search gave me this. Meet Jorma: http://www.frontface.se/08nr/02sid/02c.htm
Quote from: Peterson on September 16, 2011, 12:57:03 AM
Last week my friend Zach was at the bar and an HA guy told him that if he didn't grow his moustache out longer, that he'd find him and beat him up. Swear to god.
Last name Patrick by any chance? However hard he tries, that guy just can't win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nEFLKpknM4
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on October 08, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
The club was called Dirty Dräggels
I always loved that name! It was a shame the day it disappeared for another American import. Is it true that they started out as a raggare (Swedish name of rockabilly gangs who worship American cars. Gangs in let's polish our cars together rather then let's do crime together)?
Quote from: Peterson on October 07, 2011, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: RyanWreck on October 07, 2011, 07:06:59 PM
2 of my best friends as a child grow up to be members of HA. It is very big out here in Arizona. One if in jail now for selling Meth the other owns a tattoo shop that he had to paint red and black as part of his initiation. A lot of the people I had to associate with, because I am white, while doing time in jail and prison were members of MC's.
I'm in AZ, too. It certainly is big out here. Ever heard of Screaming Eagle tattoos? MC-run shop in my town, Prescott, supposedly where a friend of mine got bad heroin laced with rat poison that he OD'd on and died. Serves him right, however. Thought of getting a tattoo there but decided against it as I'm uncomfortable with the whole hard drugs world. The owners of that place used to offer me weed when I'd go in there to get replacement earrings. Nice guys for the type of people they were and were reputed to be. They wouldn't take non-white clients a few years back, don't know if that's still the case.
I'm from Prescott. I know SE, I have never been in there though. Moved to Jerome after my last stint in the Verde county jail but could not fucking stand that place and all of the hippies up there so I moved to Phoenix but will be back in Prescott soon since I just landed a new job there.
http://theselvedgeyard.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/chosen-few-east-bay-dragons-americas-black-biker-set-revisited/
http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-09-29/bay-area/30227997_1
http://www.afropunk.com/forum/topics/black-1-motorcycle-clubs
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 07, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
OT Ryan, I think you should write something about your time in the dock, or at least the part that is shareable in public. end OT
It would be pretty boring for the most part. There would be like 3 or 4 interesting "chapters". If we are talking about bikers I remember when a biker, a nomad I believe, was found to have broken an 11 month old kids arm on purpose. People gave him a chance to "PC up" but he didn't so the next day the guards wake us up at 3am, pull us all out of the block and led us to some holding cells. Unfortunately I can't say that I saw anything but I was told that his cellmate cut him to shit and then threw him off the tier. I don't know how bad the damage to the guy was but it was the most blood I had ever seen all over the floor and I know that he pissed and shit himself after hitting the ground and of course we had to fucking mop it all up.
today I received invitation for HA halloween party in my area, but I won't be there... I am tempted
on another note, yesterday episod of sons of anarchy was VERY good.
Nice to see some AZ representation on here. One of the MC here in Phoenix AZ was the Dirty Dozen, not sure but I think most of them disbanded and incorporated into the HA. Lots of rumors of them running meth ect. Was partying with a HA Prospect one time, I was drinking beer, he said beer was a womans drink and men drink whiskey; proceded to grab his bottle of Jim Beam taking a helathy pull waiting for the fisticuffs to begin but to no avail. Not much of a Prospect IMO.
swiss ha on trial near here
http://info.rsi.ch/home/channels/informazione/info_on_line/2011/10/17--Processo-agli-Hells-Angels-aggi
australia main clubs talk to the press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhTVe7ly6A&feature=related
This part of the article was interesting in an amusing kind of way:
QuoteTensions boiled over in January 2010, when members of the rival gangs, some wielding ball-peen hammers, fought outside a Santa Cruz Starbucks before scattering as police arrived. "It was all about who would be allowed to hang out at the Starbucks downtown," Santa Cruz Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark said.
For me, this offered a whole new perspective on what these gang wars essentially are about...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3908630/The-real-Machine-Gun-Preacher.html
outlaw turns to god in quite a peculiar way
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/12/04/nyregion/ching-a-ling-nomads-ss.html
Looks like Mongols MC has a chapter in Finland now. Sorry, the article is in Finnish.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2011121114917389_uu.shtml
Mongols MC: Fears that new motorcycle gang could lead to trouble with other groups
FinlandMongols MC: Fears that new motorcycle gang could lead to trouble with other groups
The large international motorcycle club Mongols MC has taken a foothold in Finland in the past year.
Pictures of the insignia of Mongols MC Finland have spread on the internet, and there is now an icon of a Finnish flag on the home page of Mongols MC Scandinavia, next to the Swedish, Norwegian and Danish flags.
Detective Chief Inspector Jussi Oksanen of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) told Helsingin Sanomat that the operations of Mongols MC in Finland are in the "early stages".
The gang is a relative newcomer to the other Nordic Countries as well. On the international level, the club has a long history; the first chapter was set up in California in 1969.
There has long been tension between Mongols MC and the Hell's Angels. Oksanen says that this could increase the risk of violence among gangs in Finland as well.
"Historically, relations are bad in many countries, and the situation is also reflected on Finland", Oksanen says. In his view the emergence of a new gang always adds to the risk of conflict.
The NBI will not guess as to the number of members that Mongols MC might have in Finland. The late-edition tabloid Iltalehti says that it is certain of about five individuals, one of whom is believed to be the leader of the Finnish section.
Of the other international motorcycle clubs, Outlaws MC, also founded in the United States, has been interested in expanding into Finland for years. Oksanen says that no concrete moves have been made in this respect.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/sons-anarchy-kurt-sutter-fx-win-lawsuit-274294
http://flavorwire.com/247993/hells-angels-photos-and-self-portraits-by-hunter-s-thompson
I haven't seen those photos before. Thanks for posting!
you welcome
started reading "Fear noone respect few" by the Mongol ex leader - now out in bad standing with them-
he sounds pompous but it traces the happenings after the event described in "Under and alone", so definitely exciting.
The mongols web site feature very in depth articles about their legal cases.
Possibly some of the best I have read recently on 1%:
Check this on the Ablett case, that explains very well the confrontational mentality of OMCs:
http://www.mongolsmc.com/press_post/the-ablett-case
there is also plenty of material on the Cavazos case.
Best book I read in the past months regarding the subject:
OUT BAD
Focus on the last years of the Mongols MC, but gives extended tales and hints from the origin of the 1% culture until now.
The guy knows what he is talking about, but yet he writes like a "pro", so no bragging about like Cavazos, nor sensationalistic shit.
His web site is very good in my opinion.
http://www.agingrebel.com/
MP Teuvo Hakkarainen has embarrassing night out with biker gang
MP was offered paid sex, but gave the woman EUR 100 out of pity
MP Teuvo Hakkarainen has embarrassing night out with biker gang
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Teuvo Hakkarainen, a Finns Party MP and one of the new intake from the elections of April 2011, has found it hard to stay out of the headlines since he entered Parliament, and usually for all the wrong reasons.
The latest chapter in the story concerns a liquid night out just over a week ago, after which Hakkarainen was reportedly offered paid sex in the clubhouse of the Bandidos biker gang in Helsinki's Kyläsaari.
The matter was first reported by the Nelonen TV-news.
Hakkarainen denies paying for sex, but says he gave the woman 100 euros out of pity.
Things are complicated a little by the fact that at least as far as the National Bureau of Investigation (Finland's central criminal police arm) are concerned, Bandidos are regarded as part of the organised crime network alongside the Hell's Angels and operations like the United Brotherhood (see link).
Hakkarainen, somewhat discomforted by the whole incident, reported that things had started from a liquid night out in a nightclub, and that having got "rather too drunk" he had gone on to an "after-party" at closing time (around 4 a.m.) with some persons whom he did not know beforehand.
"I was leaving and waiting for a taxi, when these guys came up to me and invited me to go on to another party. I would never have gone if I had known what group it was. I only found out when I got there."
Hakkarainen says he has not had anything to do with motorcycle gangs in the past, and that he did not ask for sexual services.
"I don't need that sort of thing. I don't quite remember how things went, but it may have been there was some joking around and anyway I gave the woman a hundred, but I said I don't need sex. I don't even know if she was a prostitute. Or whether they were just kidding me along", he recalls.
"I asked for the hundred back, but she wouldn't give it to me."
Hakkarainen says he regrets the incident, but does not believe it will affect his work or position as an MP.
Pirkko Ruohonen-Lerner, the Finns Party group leader in Parliament, heard of the whole affair only from HS, and had no wish to comment.
The Deputy Speaker of Parliament Pekka Ravi (National Coalition Party) was also unwilling to coment beyond saying: "Every Member of Parliament is himself or herself responsible for their behaviour and actions, and it is up to the voters to make judgements. An unfortunate business in any case."
I wonder if outlaw bikers are pissed off at douchebags stealing '1%'?
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 29, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
MP Teuvo Hakkarainen has embarrassing night out with biker gang
Hakkarainen was elected with his "firm" stand: anti-immigration, pro-army, anti-EU, and few other statements. Mere 1300 votes got him into parliament. It's prime example of results of democracy. Instead of government being build of people who have knowledge and abilities to operate, there's way too many opportunist, populist retards, faces known from TV, etc. Anyone thinking people like Hakkarainen would be good for "nationalist cause", must be blessed with limited intelligence. I hope he will be injured by physical commentary by men who are not such fuck ups & retarded losers. No future for democracy.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 01, 2012, 03:59:35 AM
I wonder if outlaw bikers are pissed off at douchebags stealing '1%'?
in Italy apparently only members of MC can use that
http://blogcritics.org/books/article/interview-donald-charles-davis-author-of/
Excellent interview to the "Aging Rebel".
For all of you who are into 1% literature, do not miss his excellent book OUT BAD, one of the best books on the subject.
Denmark galore
http://www.cphpost.dk/news/national/140-armed-gang-members-arrested-outside-court
140 armed gang members arrested outside court
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Peter Stanners
March 7, 2012 - 11:55
The trial of two men for attempted murder drew a large crowd of heavily armed gang members who attempted to disturb the court proceedings
Some of the weapons confiscated by police outside the courthouse in Glostrup (Photo: Københavns Vestegns Politi)
Armed gang members, many wearing masks and bulletproof vests, attempted to disrupt the trial of two men allegeldy connected to a biker gang, leading to the mass arrest by police of 140 people outside the courthouse in Glostrup yesterday.
The gathered crowd threw objects at police, who used batons and pepper spray to take control.
Three knives, a dart, a screwdriver, two hammers, two crowbars and six wooden clubs were discovered discarded by the gang members. A search of nearby cars also turned up bulletproof vests and clubs.
"We were well prepared for the situation," Michael Kristiansen, of the Vestegn Police, wrote in a press release. "We will not accept this sort of destructive behaviour at trials."
All but five were released later in the day, with four now facing charges of assaulting a police officer and one for threatening the life of an officer.
Before they were arrested, gang members attempted to make their way into the courtroom where two men are accused of shooting and attempting to murder two other men using an illegal 9mm weapon in Ballerup on February 14.
According to Politiken newspaper, the shooting was related to a gang conflict between groups from the Værebroparken housing estate in Bagsværd, and Nivå and Kokkedal in northern Zealand.
The gang from Værebroparken are thought to be sympathisers of the biker gang the Hells Angels, Politiken reports.
Later in the evening police were called to Værebroparken after reports of youths causing trouble and setting fire to trash bins.
"Several reports have been made from the area where people have been gathering and making a lot of noise," vice inspector Henrik frandsen told Jyllands-Posten newspaper, adding that when police arrived at around 9pm the youths had prepared piles of material to throw at their vehicles.
"They are people from the area who earlier on Tuesday were arrested then released," Frandsen said. "It is probably a show of frustration."
No-one was arrested after the evening's disturbances.
same magazine
Police vow to jail 300 gang members in 2012
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Jennifer Buley
February 29, 2012 - 13:18
Government commits to increased spending on multi-pronged war against criminal gangs
High-ranking members of the Hells Angels motorcycle club were convicted last summer on counts of attempted murder of members of immigrant gangs. National police claimed on Tuesday that more high-ranking gang member prosecutions will come in 2012 (Photo: Scanpix)
If police investigators succeed in their goal, 300 more gang members – 200 from Zealand and 100 from Jutland – will be behind bars by the end of 2012.
On Tuesday, the national police, Rigspolitiet, together with the Justice Ministry, presented parliament with its game plan for increasing pressure on criminal gangs throughout Denmark in 2012. As part of that plan, police named the minimum number of individuals they expect to prosecute this year.
"We're basing the number on the investigations we already have in the pipeline. That's why we're confident about reaching this goal," Kim Kliver, the head of the national bureau of investigation, Nationale Efterforskningscenter (NEC), told Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
In 2011, police surpassed their goal of putting 250 gang members behind bars. By the end of the year, 356 individuals were either in custody or serving time for gang-related crimes.
Kliver explained that those were mostly the easy cases, involving low-ranking gang members – initiates and foot soldiers. Now police are turning their focus to nabbing the middlemen and leaders. Time will tell if the goal of 300 gang prosecutions in 2012 is on target.
"We've plucked the low-hanging fruit. That was easiest in the first years of our anti-gang effort," Kliver said. "Our experience shows that bikers and gang members are involved in extortion, human trafficking and organised crime in connection with prostitution, murder, assault with intent to kill, and selling weapons and drugs. That's what we're going after."
Although inter-gang violence in Copenhagen has tapered off following a rash of shootings in recent years, investigators note that there still is a simmering competition between the Hells Angels, the Bandidos and several immigrant gangs, that could break out into violence again.
Residents of the Copenhagen commune, Christiania, claimed earlier this year that violent gangs had gained such a strong foothold there, that they were a threat to the community's very existence.
In Copenhagen, gang-related crime and violence has centered around the neighbourhoods of Nørrebro, the Mjølnerparken housing project in Nordvest district, Valby and Christiania. Police added that gang activity in Jutland was growing, particularly around Esbjerg.
Special anti-gang investigative units have already been established in Horsens in Jutland and in the Karlslunde suburb of Copenhagen, with the particular task of gathering evidence towards the arrest and prosecution of members of criminal motorcycle clubs and other gangs.
"There's evidence that bikers and gangs are parasites on society. They're profoundly criminal, and there's a greater need than ever to get rid of them," the justice minister, Morten Bødskov (Socialdemokraterne), said on Tuesday.
The government has committed 50 million kroner in 2012 to a special project aimed at intercepting and preventing gang recruitment in marginalised areas.
"On the one hand we have to increase our pressure on [gang members], but on the other hand we also have to make sure that at-risk young people aren't drawn into criminality," Bødskov added. "We know from different community efforts that there are young people who want to leave the gangs, but they need help – and that's one place where we have to do more."
Is there much community or political uproar over the armed biker gangs in Europe? Anyone wanting even stricter gun laws, etc.? Everytime anyone does something with a handgun over here, the left thinks MORE laws will help. Nevermind that anything you'd ever want to do with a firearm that would be illegal already has federal/local/state laws prohibiting it...
Quote from: Peterson on March 06, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
I don't think it's really a good idea to use that tag anywhere in the world, if you're non-MC. Don't know why you would...Quote from: tiny_tove on March 01, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 01, 2012, 03:59:35 AM
I wonder if outlaw bikers are pissed off at douchebags stealing '1%'?
in Italy apparently only members of MC can use that
It's "cool" to some idiots. There is a local bar (I'm sure you would know it) and there was a bouncer there who was a total guiddo looking douche who would wear shirts that said 1% or ACAB and shit like that. The first time I meet him I didn't know what to think so I said "All coppers are bastards!" to his ACAB shirt and he looked at me and said "no! it's all cunts are bitches" and I froze. I've actually heard numerous people say this, I think those faggot "Not-Cal" fucks are making these shirts locally at least here in AZ.
10 outlaws mc members arrested for attempted turf war with 81 & supporters
unfortunately in Italian
http://genova.ogginotizie.it/125562-motociclisti-arrestati-a-genova-ecco-tutti-i-nomi-e-i-dettagli/
schwarze schar (ex werewolf)
http://www.vice.com/it/vice-news/inside-schwarze-schar
Police to White Victim: We 'Don't Mess' with Black Gang
Selwyn Duke
Most of us have heard about how the media won't report on black-on-white crime. We also may know that authorities sometimes sweep it under the rug due to political pressure, usually with a wink and a nod. But not so in rural Alabama, where the police actually told a white crime victim that they "don't mess" with a local black motorcycle gang.
The tragic event that led to this shocking admission occurred on March 28, as truck driver Nick Stokes and neighbor Johnathan Cooper were heading out of Birmingham hauling a portable cabin. While rounding a curve, one of Stokes' tires slipped and kicked up some gravel, which angered a black motorcycle-gang member who was in close proximity. The gangster -- part of the notorious "Outcasts of Alabama" -- gave chase and tried to force Stokes to pull over to the side of the road. Here's what happened next, as reported by the Macon Beacon's Scott Boyd, whose piece has been published online by J. Christian Adams:
The motorcyclist then sped up and pulled in front of Stokes [sic] F-250. He stopped in the middle of the road and forced Stokes to stop. He then jumped off his bike and came around to the passenger side and hit the rear passenger window with his fist but it didn't break. Stokes then made the quick decision to get out of there and pulled out around the parked motorcycle.
Stokes said he looked back in his rear-view as he pulled away and noticed the biker rolling in the highway. "He either tried to jump in the back of the truck or onto the trailer and somehow slipped."
Stokes said when he noticed the injured man flailing in the roadway he stopped, worried about leaving the scene of an accident. Stokes said he was getting out of his truck to go check on Clay when a woman in a red Jeep pulled alongside and shouted a warning: "You better get out of here - they've got guns." That's when Stokes looked back down the highway and [saw] some the motorcycle gang - 30 or 40 bikes strong - headed his way. "I jumped back in the truck and took off until I could find a busy intersection and that's where I stopped."
Stokes said he and Cooper were immediately surrounded by a gang of black bikers, all with black bandanas covering the bottom half of their faces.
The gang forced him out of the truck and commenced their revenge attack. "After I saw the knife and then felt the stabbings I fell to the ground and played dead - I think that may have saved my life," he said.
Stokes heard police sirens seconds later, as his friend, Cooper, had called 911 on his cellphone. But despite the authorities having identified the injured gangster as Ladarrious Clay of Birmingham, none of the bikers were detained or even questioned, reports Boyd. Shocking.
And the silence is deafening. Boyd contacted the Birmingham News, only to be told that the incident wasn't "newsworthy." In fact, if J. Christian Adams hadn't published the story at PJ Media, we probably never would have heard about it. The Macon Beacon is so small that it doesn't even have a website.
As for the relevant law-enforcement agency, the Adamsville Police Department, its public affairs officer had not responded to Boyd's inquiries as of his press time. Yet it's not as if they had no answers at all. They told Stokes that there was nothing they could do, as it would be impossible to identify those who actually wielded the knives. And then there was that more shocking admission. Both Stokes and Boyd were told the same thing by the Adamsville police.
We "don't mess with the Outcasts of Alabama."
Wow. Just wow. These guys sound like Barney Fife -- without the guts.
We're used to hearing stories about law enforcement being intimidated by organized crime in places such as Colombia and Mexico. But in the US? This is yet another example of our descent into Third Worldism.
Stokes also reported the crime to the FBI, which has promised an investigation. The question is, will the agency do anything more than just go through the motions? I don't know, but three things are for sure. First, if this had been an attack by a white gang on a black victim, the national media would be all over the story. Second, Eric Holder's DOJ won't be getting involved like it has in the Trayvon Martin Case. And, lastly, we can be sure that Barack Obama won't get on his soapbox and accuse the Adamsville police of acting stupidly.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/police_to_white_victim_we_dont_mess_with_black_gang.html#ixzz1rjm3HjWB
Not really too much to say about bikers although the few I've met have been OK fellas. Just adding to this thread to mention that I have a tattoo which says ONE PER CENT, in tribute to their self-exiling outsider mythology.
The Discovery Channel is showing something about 'the devils ride' on May 8th. The commerical doesn't say who the club is but one of the guys has Laffin Devil (I think) on his vest. I haven't looked up anything about it yet but have seen the commercial a few times.
Here's the info on "The Devils Ride": http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2012/04/11/discovery-goes-inside-the-motorcycle-club-world-with-the-devils-ride-premiering-tuesday-may-8-at-10pm-e-p-531310/20120411discovery01/
I saw 3 guys yesterday all on choppers with apehangers & ole ladies who had rockers on their vests. One of the men did too but couldn't tell what it said. All were Hispanic. They didn't look like so-called weekend warriors & I rarely see bikes like they were on; definitely custom.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/a-long-and-bloody-feud-20120504-1y3g7.html
Australian tv series about the notorious Milperra massacre between The Comancheros and the Bandidos.
The Devil's Ride
new reality regarding the -unknown to me - laffing devils mc
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-devils-ride/#mkcpgn=ytdsc1
mr aging rebel does not sound very excited
http://www.agingrebel.com/5676
I must admit the teaser does not look very good, but you never know
"The Devil's Ride" is awful. Lookslike a club modelled after "Sons of Anarchy". They're not 1%'ers; I don't remember seeing the patch on their vests at all. Kind of weird there is a series about them. Bet they catch alotof shit from other more hardcore clubs.
There was one good scene of a prospect watching over the 'old ladies' while they were having drinks & a photographer kept getting too close (Set up or being photog'd simply b/c they were being filmed?). The photog hits the prospect w/the camera then one of the women hits the photog w/a bottle! Prospect finally punches the guy then gives him a kick as he's getting up off the sidewalk.
I am watching first episode now and it look very lame (apart from the mentioned Charlie the prospect who seems to be only real "bad-ass" guy of the bunch, and probably would kick the shit out of the whole pack. Respect for the old ladies... Quite scary...
Quite funny the beef between Kurt Sutter and the Laffing Devil, with the writer calling them fake.
The thing is they look like real normal people on bikes.
Watched Kurt Sutter's Outlaws Empires episode about 1%s. Interesting interviews with Chuck Zito and other ex-1%s showing different sides of the world. The tone is more respectful of the OMC world than many other docs, but seeing every patch/face blurred, including those belonging to videos seen hundred of time, made it a bit annoying.
Sonny Barger's movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTD60rWGjWU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I saw some of the Outlaw Empire with Zito. Did not know anything about a beef between Laffing Devils & Sutter; they do not use any of the 1%-associated patches. I don't think I've even noticed FTW on their vests. I'm sure there are alot of 'regular guys' clubs. Why this one got a tv show, who the fuck knows?
two quick links on the beef.
http://www.huliq.com/10473/devils-ride-are-laffing-devils-real-or-fake
http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/24/sons-of-anarchy-laffing-devils-fight-motorcycle-club-kurt-sutter-sandman/
Sutter is not know these things, and already had problems for Zito himself before asking him to join SOA's next series.
anyway... watched the first three episodes of Laffing and I have found hilarious the second episode when they meet the "respected" giant MC "Legend" Vegas... Billy's face is priceless in that moment...
Finnish Bandidos seem to be very open about their image, with a flashy webpage with pictures and a semi big link section: http://www.fatmexican.com/
Oh, and of course a support section with an online store!
Raids against German HA chapters.
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120529-42811.html
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120530-42841.html
That's pretty funny about the fatmexican.com Finnish chapter of the Bandidos.
Saw part of "The Devils Ride" last night. They put on one helluva benefit carwash!
The Devil's Ride is so fake. It is produced by the guy who use to produce the WCW Wrestling organization ( http://www.bhe.tv/ ) before it was stuck together with the WWF and some kid who also had something to do with wrestling. In any case, whether people enjoy it or not, I still don't think that Discovery should have advertised the show as looking into "the 1% lifestyle" when there is not one of those guys who wears the diamond patch. I'm sure they aren't allowed and definitely won't be after this shit.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 30, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Saw part of "The Devils Ride" last night. They put on one helluva benefit carwash!
I must admit this episode is hilarious and I am laughing my ass off!!!
The bikini carwash (with censored camel toes).
The drag race failure.
Prospect Tank excusing himself with his wife at romantic dinner date.
Prospect Tank having to having to earn his patch pursued by pissed off dog.
The fake corpse in the sea.
I start enyoing this. Those who write this have problems. lol
Quote from: KMusselman on June 02, 2012, 02:05:49 AM
local news...
Lawyers for alleged Hell's Angels accused in Chino Valley shootout want case thrown out:
http://www.prescottaz.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1086&ArticleID=107198
What the fuck, you're from the Preskitt area as well? That makes 3 of us...
I just find it pretty crazy that I've never meet a single person from the tri-city area (well of course there are people I know on social sites and stuff but that's not what I mean), there isn't really ever that many people I have meet from AZ let alone Prescott, yet on this one forum there is not only 1 but 2 other people beside me from this hell hole. You guys know each other? Unless you guys know each other and showed one another the forums or something then I would assume that the chances are pretty low of us all finding our way here not knowing one another, considering how small this town is.
I'm not a "native" to Prescott either, although I was born in Phoenix.
Back on topic, the HA have had a pretty large presence in this area for awhile. I remember when I was doing Heroin years ago and they got hit with Oxy and H charges and this place went into a panic, everything dried up quick and there were a lot of sick fuckers around, since they were pretty much the only supplier outside of a handful of mexicans that brought it up from Phoenix. A meth lab they had going in PV blew up a few years back as well and I know of 2 murders that happened as a result of some problems they had with some people, 1 of the guys who died I knew, he was related to one of my good friends who worked the door at Coyote Joes back in 2005-2008. The actual murder of that guy took place in Nevada, I think the other was done right here and I don't think anyone was ever caught for either case. There was quite a large presence of them at the prison I was in (Eyman) years ago, which was nice because whites have a harder time in some of the places around here since there are so many damn paisas.
http://www.agingrebel.com/5803
Laffing Devils War Of Words
ride with the finks
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/so-you-want-to-be-a-fink-no-women-no-small-bikes-only-brit-or-american-bikes/story-e6freoof-1226384236960
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JQcpRoxL1Tg
Australian dramatization of old school Bikies war, involving Comancheros and Bandidos...
I am going to watch this during the week end.
first episode was quite good and was some sort of a lesson on 1% ethos and brotherhood.
actors seems convincing... the forced patch-over of the Loners was classic.
Bikernet Interviews - Hells Angel Rusty Coones
3/30/2006
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First of all, I am a little nervous in taking on this task. I do not want to ruffle any feathers. On the other hand, I'm honored to interview the president of the Orange County Chapter of the Hells Angels.
I, myself, have been suspicious and skeptical of the government and its role in our lives since the early '60s, when I got involved in news worthy events. Since then I have repeatedly seen confirmations of what I had previously suspected. Now I try not to be so judgmental and allow some time to pass to get a better view before taking a stand.
Bikernet: Being a member of the Hells Angels and president of one of its chapters, what is life like where you are? Are you treated any differently than other inmates? How do inmates and employees of the system treat you?
RC: I was arrested on June 6, 1999, in Orange County, Calif. I was taken to Santa Ana city jail, a new facility that contracts with the feds to house prisoners who have cases in Orange County. I was segregated to what is referred to as the hole while in Orange County. Basically you are locked down in a Single-man cell 23 hours a day, with one hour out to shower and make a phone call. About a week later, I was transferred to Metropolitan Detention Center in L.A. At the time of this writing, November 22, I have been in Los Angeles almost 18 months. Metropolitan Detention Center is a 10-story building that houses about 1,000 federal inmates at a time. It's owned and run by the federal Department of Corrections. Here I'm on a floor with 100 to 140 people, with access to a small recreation deck that has a universal weight machine on it.
Most of the time, our cells are unlocked from 6:30 a.m. to 9:45 p.m. Considering the fact that all of our food is microwaved, it's not that bad, sometimes even good.
The biggest thing for me is getting used to the slowness of life here. Outside I was always busy doing things I liked to do with people around me that I wanted to be with. As far as how I'm treated compared to other inmates, in most respects the same. Except when I am transported to court, I get a marshal's SWAT team escort. At least I don't have to worry about getting stuck in traffic; they hit the lights and sirens and everybody moves out of the way.
I get along pretty good with most of the people here. My philosophy is to treat people the way I would like to be treated, until they give me reason not to. I am not suffering from any ego problems, where you have to prove how tough you are all the time, anyway.
BN: Do you have access to computers and the Internet? If so, do you do any surfin' on the World Wide Web? If so, how does the Internet help with what you want to accomplish? What do you want to accomplish with your time in the upcoming months?
No, we do not have access to computers or the Internet here. Wish we did. At home I was on the computer and net every day. I do have a Web site, www.freerusty.com, which is run by volunteers. I can be e-mailed at freerusty@yahoo.com . My e-mail is printed out and snail-mailed to me. The Internet has been a great way to get my message out to people in our culture. I have a lot of information regarding politics, discrimination, bikers' rights and the drug war on my Web site. If it is not on my site, we are linked to it on somebody else's. The site has also generated a lot of support and donations that have helped defray some of the cost of defending myself in this case.
BN: Do they have a library for your use, research and reading?
RC: Yes, they have a law library here. There are also a lot of books floating around in the unit I'm in. I have studied and read a lot of books since I've been here, and will continue to learn as much as I can absorb while incarcerated. One thing that
I have noticed is that our culture is far too apathetic when it comes to voting, etc. We are the first ones to bitch about unfair laws, but if we don't vote or do anything to effect change, then we've got no right to bitch. Right now, maybe one out of three eligible voters actually votes. Our country is basically sitting by while 25 to 30 percent of the population decides who's doing what. We have almost no representation. You think your vote doesn't count? Look at this presidential election. Only a few votes made the difference.
Any way I'm hoping I can influence some of us to get involved in politics and effect change before it's too late. If you want change, vote independent or third party. Most Americans aren't left wing or right wing, but in the middle, that's why we need to support third party candidates that want to safeguard our civil rights and feel as we do on the issues.
BN: How about a weight room to keep yourself in shape?
RC: As I said earlier, there is a universal machine on the recreation deck here and while it is not my optimum choice for a workout, it's better than no weights at all. I always liked free weights when given the choice. I usually work out about an hour a day. So far I've maintained my normal 280-285 pound body weight.
BN: Reading the newspaper account of your guilty plea proceedings on Sept. 19, it was revealed that you had a history of counseling drug and alcohol abusers. Could you elaborate on this?
RC: In the '80s, I lost a younger brother to heroin addiction, and helped to get a few friends into programs for the treatment of cocaine and alcohol abuse. I got interested in opening a treatment center around 1987. In 1991, I opened First Step Treatment Centers Inc., with a facility in Laguna Beach, Calif., and one in Fontana, Calif. I was not a counselor; I ran the business end dealing with the paperwork, etc. I had to close the business in 1995. Insurance companies cut back on benefits for patients after Hillary Clinton's national health care scare. It's too bad; it was a good business to be in and helped a lot of people. We put some people through the program for free, when we had the openings, but it was expensive to operate and we had to depend on contracts with the insurance companies to survive at that time.
BN: What can be done to change public opinion concerning the government's "War on Drugs"? It's easy to sling bricks at the status quo, but a plan to change public opinion is really needed.
RC: If people were told the truth about drug use and the drug war, their opinions might change. There are mountains of information on my Web site about this, but I'll try to explain a little about it here.
First of all, the myth that drugs are the single most dangerous threat to our children and society in general is government propaganda. Fact: Over 400,000 people a year die from tobacco use. Fact: Over 100,000 people a year die of alcohol use. If you put all illegal drug deaths together, per year, in the U.S., you have 6,000 total. Of those 6,000 drug deaths per year, most are from heroin overdoses, because illegal heroin varies in quality, resulting in accidental overdoses.
As far as crime associated with drugs, of course there is crime. Any time you prohibit alcohol or drugs, you create a black market. The fact that drugs are illegal makes them expensive to obtain. Addicts have to steal to support their habits. Prohibition, also, breeds corruption. If drugs were to be somehow controlled but made available to users (legally), the violence, corruption, death, and the value of drugs would drop through the floor. With no money in it any more, the foreign cartels would collapse, the dealers would be out of business, and the robbers that prey on them would also be out of business.
We learned the lesson with prohibition of alcohol already, but there are powerful lobbyists working everyday to expand the drug war in the name of big corporations. The truth is that the drug war is big business for the many government agencies and private corporations benefit by this war. If you count all the local, state and federal money spent on the drug war every year, including prison beds, it totals around $73 billion a year. The prison industrial complex is huge; the only employer in the U.S. that is larger than the Bureau of Prisons is General Motors. We have over 2 million people in prisons in the U.S. Crime has been declining for over 20 years, but we are giving non-violent drug offenders more time than people convicted of much more serious crimes.
BN: What can be done to illustrate the fact that drug use is not necessarily drug abuse?
RC: Drug use and drug abuse are two different things, just like alcohol use and alcohol abuse. Drug and alcohol abuse are social problems and should be treated that way. It has been proven that education and treatment are much more effective than jail, and a lot cheaper. I think that attacking the demand side of the problem through education and treatment is far more effective than going after the supply side.
Kids from the age of 12 to 18 should be required to attend drug, alcohol and sex education classes every year until they graduate high school. Show them AIDS patients at hospitals. Tour hospital emergency wards with them to see the damage done by drunk drivers. Tour prisons and jails with them to show them the end result.
To drink a beer socially is alcohol use. To drink till you puke is alcohol abuse. Anytime a person drinks or uses drugs so often to affect their health, or others, they are abusing. Some people are more susceptible to addiction than others, but jail is not the answer. To get to the point, anytime drug use or alcohol use affects your social life, family, health or job in a negative way, it has become abuse. An occasional beer or occasional joint isn't abuse, it's use.
BN: What is there about you, Rusty Coones, that you want people to know, that possibly they do not already know?
RC: It's true that I am in jail on a drug charge, but the myth that the club is in the drug business is just as I said, a myth. Whenever a member has been arrested on drug charges, it is always his personal business, not the club's. Our club is a motorcycle club, period. When a cop gets arrested for drugs, we don't assume that the whole department is involved.
BN: How are your kids taking all this, the charges, pleading and your incarceration? What have they shared with you concerning the whole thing?
RC: It's been hard on my kids. That has really bothered me, for them to suffer because of my problems. We are lucky to have friends who have come forward to help with them. My son just graduated from high school and my daughter is still in school and living with a great family. We miss each other and I don't ever want them to have to go through anything like this in their lives. They're both good kids and I know they will do well in life.
The Bikie wars series is very good in my opinion.
Nothing fancy or arty, but it just delivers the good.
http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/BikieWars.aspx
devils ride
always faker
http://www.huliq.com/10473/devils-ride-are-laffing-devils-slapstick-version-mc#comment-76631
Memorial ride for founder of Cannonball MC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iagOLNv2Tbw&feature=player_embedded#!
520 Bikes.
not 1% but could be interesting documentary...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1684035270/sayonara-speed-tribes-kamikaze-bikers-a-documentar (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1684035270/sayonara-speed-tribes-kamikaze-bikers-a-documentar)
I didn't know who that Rusty Coon guy was. Not sure I've ever seen his name associated with the HellsAngels but it has been a long time since I've read those couple books on'em.
I caught the finale of Devils Ride but have already forgotten EVERYTHING. I do remember the former leader in the silly helmet with his cap underneath with bill rolled up looked pretty silly. Reminds me of Suicidal Tendencies..
the alleged truth behind the laffing devils
http://www.agingrebel.com/6012
Rocker war in Germany
Fears of violence as Berlin biker war escalates
Published: 9 Jul 12 11:56 CET
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Berlin police have warned that biker gangs could use more guns and explosives as they fight for survival after a crackdown by authorities. Police also fear that Scandinavian organised crime networks may get involved.
Top Hells Angel gets four years in jail - National (14 Jun 12)
Hells Angel under police guard after attack - Society (11 Jun 12)
Berlin bans Hells Angels, raid details leaked - National (30 May 12)
"We have to assume that, alongside the well-known edged and blunt weapons, firearms and explosives will be used," a memo to all the city's police stations said.
"All engaged forces are requested to particularly check vehicles from Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland," it said, according to the BZ newspaper on Monday.
A police crackdown on Hells Angels and Bandidos - the biker gangs involved in organized crime across Germany - has thrown the scene into chaos, the paper said.
A new "Rocker Task Force" has been set up to make life as difficult for them as possible.
"Our line is zero tolerance," state prosecutor Jörg Raupach, who leads the task force, said on Saturday. "Whether it's abuse, driving without a license, drink driving - we will prosecute every crime. No investigation into the bikers - no matter how small - will be given up."
The Hells Angels "Berlin City" chapter was banned by state Interior Minister Frank Henkel in May, though that has done little to prevent the increasing violence.
Former Hells Angels leader André Sommer was gunned down in June, and several gang members subsequently appeared at the entrance to Berlin's Charité hospital to guard the 47-year-old as he lay in an artificial coma.
Two Bandidos were have also been shot at in the past few days.
Police believe that Berlin is home to between 400 and 500 Hells Angels, and slightly fewer Bandidos, and that the two groups are currently locked in a deadly power struggle over the city.
The gangs are thought to be involved in a number of organized criminal activities, including protection rackets, drug and weapons dealing, and human trafficking for prostitution.
But police have struggled to solve the crimes, because victims are reluctant to speak. "As long as no victim talks, we won't get much further," said Raupach. "We have to get a foot in the door."
Investigators are also hoping to help gang members get out of the scene. "We're trying to break one or two out," the prosecutor added. "And we have managed, but there are no quick successes."
"But our signal to the criminal scene is clear," he concluded. "We're watching you. We're always on your heels."
A former Hells Angels associate was jailed for more than four years in the northern city of Kiel last month. He was placed in a witness protection scheme after revealing details of regional biker gangs.
His testimony prompted huge raids across three states in May – and the destruction of a warehouse where police hope to find the remains of a missing man in the building's concrete foundations.
The Local/DPA/bk
http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120709-43645.html
very old documentary on old HAs in London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8Ll7x08Vk&feature=g-vrec
I'm totally going to that.
take pics!
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 10, 2012, 05:57:50 PM
Police believe that Berlin is home to between 400 and 500 Hells Angels, and slightly fewer Bandidos, and that the two groups are currently locked in a deadly power struggle over the city.
I always wonder where these "facts" come from? I seriously doubt that either one of them run Berlin. I remember when HA established their first chapter in Gothenburg they where suppose to run the place. That was all bullshit and everybody knew it. They had their parties and dealt in crap booze. The real mean fuckers from the former Yugoslavian states all seemed to think it was great. The police had somebody to patrol and keeping away from them.
500 people is an army.
I wonder if they include supporters and hangharound in this.
Has anyone read any of Yves Lavigne's books? He's from my hometown and is an old friend of my mother. He's totally out to lunch and I can't believe how often I've seen him cited in the media as some kind of expert in the field. He claims that the small town in Northern Ontario, Canada, where I'm from, is a hub for drug distribution where an alleged $6 billion worth of coke flows through every year at the behest of the Hell's Angels. Really silly. When the HA's had really set-up in town they had only 2 full-colour members and a hand full of loser hangers-on. They did have a crazy operation flying in coke in a helicopter and meeting a guy in a fishing boat on a river, but the numbers certainly weren't anywhere near $6 billion. They totally controlled the pot and ecstasy market, but they never got rid of the traditional mafioso cocaine distribution. They did keep the quality up though, and I really miss their reign when I return home to visit family, despite the unpleasant things some friends got caught up in trying to impress them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFVb3AGkXqM
Teaser for Barger's movie.
http://www.tntmagazine.com/news/features/outlaw-motorcycle-gang-bosses-hit-back-at-ozs-unfair-crackdown-on-bikies
http://rightlinksblog.com/2012/08/29/peta-crashes-biker-gathering-not-to-be-missed/
A German student "mooned" a group of Hell's Angels and hurled a puppy at them before escaping on a stolen bulldozer, police have said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10333211 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10333211)
thank you internet, thank you
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on January 14, 2013, 10:24:41 PM
A German student "mooned" a group of Hell's Angels and hurled a puppy at them before escaping on a stolen bulldozer, police have said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10333211 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10333211)
thank you internet, thank you
this made my day,
"The man drove up to a Hell's Angels clubhouse near Munich,
wearing only a pair of shorts and carrying a puppy.
He dropped his shorts and threw the dog,
escaping on a bulldozer from a nearby building site."
In Italy tension is rising, there have been 32 arrests in the Golden Drakes ranks for assaulting a smaller group who had bandidos members at one of their parties.
SomeTuscany Mongols members were arrested for possessing shitload of weapons, including explosives, etc. Probably nothing new for Germany, canada, etc. but for Italy it is exceptional.
Some hells angels were arested for loan sharking. tension is rising and the meedia seem to have discovered a new demonfolk.
ANyone read trashy biker fiction?
http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/sex/gensexco.htm
I've looked around a bit for the the books by Alex R. Stuart but didn't find any of the titles for sale. I'd be into trashy skinhead fiction too. I haven't looked at ebay yet..
Ok, just looked at ebay; "The Bike from Hell" & "The Devil's Rider" are available. It's interesting that these are British books..
Quote from: Peterson on January 21, 2013, 03:25:01 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on January 20, 2013, 05:20:53 AM
From the local newspaper:
Iron Brotherhood bar fight:
http://www.prescottaz.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=115117
from the reader comments section:
Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013
Article comment by: Citizen Erwin
So, let's do the math. The Iron Brotherhood say they are a 99% motorcycle club. But if these local ... cops make up 1% of the club or total of bad cops, then by default they are a 1% motorcycle club. Which we all know are bad biker clubs. So in all reality the Iron Brotherhood may just be a true 1% MC. Glad to see the DC is still hot on this. These ... cops need to be fired for their actions. You are NOT above the law. Still wondering if they will be listed as a "gang" by DPS???
Agreeable, but I'm of the common opinion that the police are really not much different than any kind of organized crime.
the one time i got pulled over(really they didnt even pull me over i was just pumping gas and they hit the lights from behind me) this fat red head fuck said "this is our
turf"
im guess the only reason he said this to me is because i have tattoos on my neck and hands/thought i was in a gang.
The Devil's Ride is back on & dumber than ever.
It seems Sinister Mob has stolen the goat by Chris Moyen for Beherit for their logo...
https://twitter.com/RealSinMobMC
I am soo looking forward to watch this.
from what I read on the aging rebel, the main group has now disbanded and the pres left with the club's money etc etc
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 26, 2013, 11:13:02 AM
I am soo looking forward to watch this.
from what I read on the aging rebel, the main group has now disbanded and the pres left with the club's money etc etc
I saw only half of the first episode of the new season & most of the 2nd (last night). I was thinking there were some missing characters but wasn't interested enough to look up the info. I thought the Sin Mob logo looked familiar too; there's a thread about it on the NWN forum.
http://www.agingrebel.com/7836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYH4wKCya4Y
Charlie & The Angels:
http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/4573/a-rare-look-inside-the-outlaw-biker-culture.html
a book focussing on 60 years of feuds between THE OUTLAWS MC & THE hells angels.
I have found 5 of those NEL books on Hells Angels in a charity shop...Peter Cave, Mick Norman, Gillian Freeman, Thom Ryder..some are first editions. Are these rarities??
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
I have found 5 of those NEL books on Hells Angels in a charity shop...Peter Cave, Mick Norman, Gillian Freeman, Thom Ryder..some are first editions. Are these rarities??
I recently gave away my huge collection of all that stuff. There are probably some ebay maniacs who will fork out for them if you are lucky but they do seem to turn up in UK charity shops sometimes still as they all sold a huge number of copies to 1970s schoolkids. Some of Peter Cave and Mick Norman's writing is actually pretty good, although the star of the genre in my view was 'Alex R Stuart' whose mindblown and apocalyptic Burroughs-inspired prose must have opened some eyes back then - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gordon_(Scottish_author)
Italian Hells Angel are organizing a massive meeting open to the public in a big place, sponserd by big radios and the city council.
I hope I will be able to attend.
The new boom of their leader Lory666 is out now and will definitely grab it next month.
Quote from: Steve on April 02, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
I have found 5 of those NEL books on Hells Angels in a charity shop...Peter Cave, Mick Norman, Gillian Freeman, Thom Ryder..some are first editions. Are these rarities??
I looked on ebay yesterday & there were plenty of them up for sale (or sold, can't remember) but the prices were reasonable. I'd like to get a couple plus the skinhead novels. These types of books are better when found in shops when you're not looking for them rather than buying online...
on the same day the pope blessed harley fanatics, hells angels and bandidos got in a massive brawl. some wounded people
27 sued persons
http://www.ilgiorno.it/cremona/cronaca/2013/06/16/905334-Rissa-Bikers-Soncino.shtml
http://www.tio.ch/News/Svizzera/744417/Rissa-fra-Hells-Angels-e-Black-Jackets-un-ferito/
never get bored in Switzerland
yesterday massive brawl between 81 and Black jackets (a group that is fastly growing in Europe, run mostly by ex.immigrants, ecc) on the motorway
during the week end approx 150 hells' angels were stopped in zurich armed to their teeth when trying to join the biggest public fair and hunt apparently black jacket members.
Discovery Channel has a new reality show about the Warlocks MC called "Warlocks Rising". I guess it's "real" but begs the question why they'd want to be on tv if they're 1%'ers? Two episodes so far...
really nice interview to Milan HA Nomads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-4VYwUVTU
http://z3000.livejournal.com/772403.html
I have the book with the b/w pics
Great pics of 81
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/05/21/foto/hells_angels-114891712/1/#1
Has anyone read this - http://www.bol.com/nl/p/mijn-waarheid/1001004009648598/
Im hoping theres an english version.
http://www.eden.co.uk/blog/crime/from-hells-angels-to-dartmoor-to-christ-p1931
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-01/pink-bikie-uniforms-to-be-sold-off-as-breast-cancer-fundraiser/6511702 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-01/pink-bikie-uniforms-to-be-sold-off-as-breast-cancer-fundraiser/6511702)
http://www.theprovince.com/news/crime/Hells+Angels+under+pressure+Outlaw+motorcycle+clubs+from/11112178/story.html
impressive
https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/crime-caught-on-camera/bikies-flee-terrifying-restaurant-shooting-003115805.html
damn
I hope you will be able to share some infos :)
http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/_.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSodCuo73ig
One of my favourite Motorhead songs. Really sums humanity up, and excellent riffing.
Yeah, that's a great song but mostly I like the Aussie MC wearing the confederate flag.
which clubs were involved?
Iron Order vs Mongols:
http://www.agingrebel.com/13879
cops vs mongols then
about the topic:
some opinions about tv serial Sons of anarchy ?
it's...shit?
i checked out after that season where they went to ireland.
fucking heinous.
Yeah, S.O.A. was truly awful but it is also the only tv show to have a scene of a guy drowned in a bathtub full of piss.
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on May 07, 2016, 02:49:40 AM
about the topic:
some opinions about tv serial Sons of anarchy ?
Thought it was okay in places, mainly just the violent bits, the baby getting kidnapped was pretty boring + series with Rollins bad acting stinking up the place didn't help things. 6/10 overall
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on May 07, 2016, 02:49:40 AM
some opinions about tv serial Sons of anarchy ?
I had stopped watching it in the middle of season 2. I don't remember details but i remember what i was thinking. I was wondering why they are called SOA since they have nothing to do with anarchy. Quite the opposite. I disliked the main character and his emotional / moral bullshit issues. Plus series had every cliche possible. I can't recall if dialogues were good at least.
I look at SOA the same way I do American Horror Story, just lovable trash. I liked it.
There's an MC that lives right down the street from me, less than a 3 min walk. Our realtor used it as a selling feature when we bought the house. "No safer pace to be than biker territory" everyone says.... I'm inclined to believe it after 3 years it's probably the safest neighborhood I've ever lived and I'm surrounded by places I wouldn't want my wife walking around after dark even with the dog....
Plus there was a "high end" coke dealer living right across the street from me the first year I lived here and one day he just packed up and left, I have no proof but I'm reasonably sure the MC had something to do with it....
SOA- SOAP OPERA, NOTHING TO DO WITH1%, DESPITE THE BIKER TRIMMINGS
http://www.bild.de/regional/leipzig/hells-angels/das-verraet-das-video-der-todes-schuesse-46625754.bild.html
United tribunes attack Hell's angels in Leipzig who respond gunning down one of them.
haha most tv series these days fall into the shite category. SOA is fucking horrible, so is American Horror Story, as someone mentioned they're more closer to soap operas then anything else which seems to be the case for almost every tv series these days. I remember watching the Walking Dead briefly up until the second season or so and asking what the fuck is this? A tv show about the zombie apocalypse or days of our lives? I promptly ceased my watching after that. I was basically forced years ago to watch the first season of American Horror Story on acid and I wanted to kill myself afterwards, I felt like I'd been watching a show meant for 13 year old teenage girls going through puberty.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 05, 2016, 10:19:41 PMSOA is fucking horrible
in every way. Bottom of the barrel writing, both character and story. Stupid situations; not ridiculous, but stupid. Stock audience manipulation. Poor acting. The weird thing about it was how strapped the technical teams seemed to be. There was one scene where it was a bloodbath in a whorehouse, and the blood looked like pancake syrup, which it probably is, but it doesn't usually look like pancake syrup after the effects team screws with it. And the blood splatter on the walls looked like 15-second hold sprays from spraypaint and the subsequent drips. The worst excuse for an aftermath I've ever seen. A high school talent show zombie skit would look better than SoA effects. "This episode's special effects budget is $12. Have at it."
I don't mind the soap opera elements of any show. Nearly all great art and story revolves around human interaction and relationships. Whether it is done well or interestingly is the key. A lot of TV writing depends on trite audience manipulation and bait/switch information. They're the lazy approach to drama. Kurt Sutter is a complete hack of a writer.
i don't really give a shit about special effects but yeah the show is bad.
I gave up on Walking Dead after a season, but I did all of SOA and AHS. The last season in the hotel was sensationally entertaining, even if there were tangential storylines that made literally zero sense in context to the series....
The asylum one ruled too. But the coven one was painful to watch, not in a good way.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 06, 2016, 01:02:42 AM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 05, 2016, 10:19:41 PMSOA is fucking horrible
in every way. Bottom of the barrel writing, both character and story. Stupid situations; not ridiculous, but stupid. Stock audience manipulation. Poor acting.
Agreed. Totally didn't buy that that guy was drowning in a bathtub full of real piss.
I'd much rather prefer to practically drown in female piss myself in my own bath tub, now that's what I call livin!
the truce is over between hell's angels and bandidos in north-east of Italy ( only italian language sorry )
http://www.trevisotoday.it/cronaca/raid-punitivo-bikers-cessalto-hells-angels-bandidos-venice-agosto-2016.html
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on August 31, 2016, 02:32:09 PM
the truce is over between hell's angels and bandidos in north-east of Italy ( only italian language sorry )
http://www.trevisotoday.it/cronaca/raid-punitivo-bikers-cessalto-hells-angels-bandidos-venice-agosto-2016.html
thank you for returning the thread to proper 1% topics
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on August 31, 2016, 02:32:09 PM
the truce is over between hell's angels and bandidos in north-east of Italy ( only italian language sorry )
http://www.trevisotoday.it/cronaca/raid-punitivo-bikers-cessalto-hells-angels-bandidos-venice-agosto-2016.html
the North East seem to be the main focus of biker feuds in Italy.
in the past few years there have been massive brawls, devastating attacks in full view (with many cops hurt), ambushes, murders...
when I spent long time in the area around 10 years agio, some of the 81ers were often hanging around in the same pub I was going ever now and then and they definitely looked threatening.
but also other clubs have people you don't want to mess with.
Amusing/depressing 1973 BBC documentary about a chapter of UK Hell's Angels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8Ll7x08Vk
ahaha that is amazing!!! saw it several times...
like the visuals to the new English library hells angels exploitation books of about the same time period
nowadays it would be a tv expose on black drug gangs like last night's effort
Theres a couple of HA featured in that documentary that are still members.
Quote from: Leewar on September 04, 2016, 01:47:39 PM
Theres a couple of HA featured in that documentary that are still members.
surely on pensions or other benefits by now?
Quote from: Cementimental on September 01, 2016, 12:32:18 PM
Amusing/depressing 1973 BBC documentary about a chapter of UK Hell's Angels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng8Ll7x08Vk
watched again.
still entertaining.
reminds me of the UK exploitation/horror film 'psychomania' this time around, soon to be reissued by the British film institute.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/551661/Hells-Angels-killed-Germany-Aygun-Mucuk-gun-shot
looks like he was aware and awaiting his destiny....
full of strictly legs...