A classic label. I just recently got the Proof of The Shooting - Demonstrative Evidence 4xCD and Grunt - The Lone Hunter 7" and was about to comment on playlist thread, but as they're both from Self Abuse (Proof.. with Fusty Cunt) let's start a thread of it's own. Demonstrative Evidence cd-box has some weird paint on the cover that sticks to everything. I have one s/t tape released by Collapsed Hole and it's heavily covered with goo that looks a like green snot. So the packaging continues this tradition. The covers fall apart but I guess this is NOT how it's supposed to be and it's just busted in the mail...fuck. Noise itself is pure gold from start to end! Four long discs with a unique feeling to it. Not always harsh and there's some ambient parts. It's a best of compilation and as the 90's releases are impossible to get, this is essential.
Good to see Murder Series being resurrected! I'm missing some of the older 7"s and they can be a bit pricy, so I was hesitant should I start collecting them...There's a constant flood of great new releases to buy so I just got the Grunt one. Good record, although I think Cast Iron Hand was better of the recent Grunt vinyl releases. Any comments of other new Murder Series...Yellow Gas Flames? Lussuria?
Or a favorite of them all? Marconympha is perfect with the parts of female screams and Atrax Morgue's eerie James Oliver Huberty. There's also an obscure movie based on the Huberty Case called Bloody Wednesday. A guy loses his mind and walks naked to a church. After he is released from mental institution he moves to an abandoned building and starts receiving telepathic messages from his teddy bear! I remember it being hilarious. It was mentioned on this board that there were plans of a cd collection, but Stimbox didn't want his material to be re-released. Hopefully this changes at some point!
When looking at the whole catalogue, Taint's Vice LP is one the most important releases when I was getting into pe/noise. Very fond memories of listening that for the first time.
For me, some of the most memorable releases are the huge print run ones. While many rare tapes and long sold out goodies are great, there is something permanent in stuff like TOTAL Exploded Star Sad Servant CD, MACRONYMPHA Intensive care CD.
Then in other hand, having been involved in reissuing things from his catalogue, Mother Savage or Government Alpha, were among things that seemed mandatory.
It may not be objectively best, but Soundtrack For The End Of The World Comp CD was such a release I was exposed to several names that I only knew little. Music Should Hurt comp may be objectively better, but subjectively, in massive devouring of noise in mid 90's, when I got that CD I had already heard quite many of artists.
Murder Series is of course entirely worth of praise. Also fact that label doesn't release that much, compared to how old it is, leads me to think pretty much everything has more valid meaning. Not like some younger labels who churned batch after batch, that we can't even remember what all came within one year. With Self Abuse, there are lots of things like Aube 7" box, Merzbow "Green Wheels" CD+5", TAINT LP, things that stood out from prolific artists discography with being somewhat unusual format or presentation.
Amount of 7"s on Self Abuse is also admirable. Con-Dom "Love", Killer Bug, The Haters "Truncated Formica" and so on...
Anyone can still support directly buying stuff from: selfabuserecords.net
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on December 12, 2022, 09:37:51 AM
MACRONYMPHA Intensive care CD.
I wonder how big the print is? Released in 98 and still widely available.
I have, and have had a few more, of the early Self Abuse cassettes - all Skin Crime and related - but it's the big pressings that I come back to the most. Older favorites are Intensive Care, of course, and TADM & Incapacitants - Stocks and Bonds from... 1999? The latter does get mentioned once in a while, but I can't help but feel it's slightly under appreciated. Such a wild, incredibly loud and punishing long disc. Perhaps the worst disc to give to someone who wants a smooth introduction to noise?
Favorites from this side of Y2K are Kakerlak - Reproductive Activity Rhythms (big run tape AND one of Throop's absolutely finest half-hours) and the fantastic Skin Crime - House On The Cliff LP (recorded and pressed waaay back, but given a jacket and sold much much later?). Then there's the Paranoid Time tape, Torsion Field Ebonics, which I can't recall in detail, only that it is super good.
I'm a little too late I guess, anybody knows where in Europe I can order the new 7"s?
Finding these high quality noise 7"s in the 90's was like finding nuggets of gold in a muddy river. My favorites:
- Both Skin Crime 7"s
- Pain Jerk / Skin Crime split
- Killer Bug
- Merzbow / MSBR split
- Madonna picture disc
- K2
- Runzelstirn & Gurgelstøck / Sudden Infant split
I wish the Murder Series would get a really nice CD box set release. That would be a miracle!
SA gets bonus points for still making a lot of 7"... to me it seems as due to manufacturing and postage costs this format is slowly dying.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 05, 2023, 11:08:30 PMI wish the Murder Series would get a really nice CD box set release. That would be a miracle!
This!
Quote from: Krigsverk on December 06, 2023, 07:25:43 AMSA gets bonus points for still making a lot of 7"... to me it seems as due to manufacturing and postage costs this format is slowly dying.
When I listened Lussuria's Blue Wall Of Silence, and it's less than five minutes of low key ambient humming per side, I can see why 11€ for this is something most people don't want to pay heh. After a couple of spins I came to conclusion it's worth the price as there's something really charming about it, even though short 7" is not the optimal format for dark ambient.
Haven't still checked Exploded Star Sad Servant...
For Demonstrative Evidence owners: it seems some kind of chemical reaction happened with the cover paint, and it has become gooey and sticks to my fingers now. Same thing with the other copies? As nice as the packaging looks, I'd rather have a regular CD case without the slime.
It is supposed to be like that. Sticky gooey thing since beginning. I storaged copies between .. something. Not next to digipak or something.
Hmm ok, I remembered it used be more like regular dried lumps of paint without extra stickiness. When it comes to special packaging, I'm not the biggest fan of stuff that slimes, rots or smells weird. Like the F&V's recently announced Snuff - Eerika CD-R that comes with a "morbid odor"...I'm probably going to skip that one.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 26, 2025, 10:28:57 AMI storaged copies between .. something. Not next to digipak or something.
Yeah, this is where I messed up........
OOPS
Self Abuse is such an interesting label.
On one hand, it has a little bit of something for everyone; weird packaging, larger run classics and even hard-to-find gems of the entire artform.
On the other, it has some of the most bizarre and frankly *awful* graphic design I have seen come from a label. Things like font choices or image quality of cover art have been egregiously offputting. And as previously mentioned, the label will just up and disappear for years on end.
Yet, this all makes sense in the context of Self Abuse and Pat O'Neil. He could honestly wait another decade before reactivating the label and I am sure many of us would see what the big deal is. How many other labels can say they hold that much goodwill and staying power over time?
Quote from: k.p.g on October 27, 2025, 03:32:09 PMOn the other, it has some of the most bizarre and frankly *awful* graphic design I have seen come from a label. Things like font choices or image quality of cover art have been egregiously offputting.
Part of the charm of the releases. That goes for "a lot" of the 90's and early 2000's releases from many labels, especially as cd-r's became a more prevalent release form. Plenty of pixelated text/images and egregious color choices to go around. Somewhere a graphic designer is crying into his pajama pants and bunny slippers just thinking about it. But that's the underground.
Great label and also a great outlet for fine tapes via his mail order list. What you could get for what are now considered bargain basement prices would make your head spin!
Quote from: Greg on October 27, 2025, 05:37:59 PMGreat label and also a great outlet for fine tapes via his mail order list. What you could get for what are now considered bargain basement prices would make your head spin!
You can still find plenty of cheap gems on the Self Abuse site!
Quote from: k.p.g on October 27, 2025, 06:31:44 PMQuote from: Greg on October 27, 2025, 05:37:59 PMGreat label and also a great outlet for fine tapes via his mail order list. What you could get for what are now considered bargain basement prices would make your head spin!
You can still find plenty of cheap gems on the Self Abuse site!
Yes indeed! Prices are always good and Patrick's always been great to buy stuff from. Definitely some gems within the distro!
Way back in the Before Discogs Time, I don't know how many years I spent ordering from Self Abuse, including some Skin Crime stuff, before I made the connection that Self Abuse and Skin Crime were pretty much one and the same. I don't even remember how it was I found out, but it shows the kind of mystique that a resource like Discogs, for all its uses, took away in some respects. Hell, never having seen a SC live show back then or any of the videos they were on, I had no idea what the guy even looked like until I got the Hospital box! That kind of lack of a cult of personality is certainly something refreshing about a lot of noise artists.
Yeah, there are certainly some cheesy artworks on some releases, especially the Solipsism CDRs (but I think that was deliberate to keep them as low cost as possible), but there's also some pretty classic ones. Eyestrain and Intensive Care would be cliche nowadays, but they were perfect for conveying that vibe and scene of 90s noise. I've always felt the Wired Trap artwork really fit the sound it presented. The original Murder Series issues...nuff said.
Quote from: Manhog_84 on October 26, 2025, 09:21:45 AMFor Demonstrative Evidence owners: it seems some kind of chemical reaction happened with the cover paint, and it has become gooey and sticks to my fingers now. Same thing with the other copies? As nice as the packaging looks, I'd rather have a regular CD case without the slime.
Yeah. It isn't paint. It's liquid latex because I wanted to to look (and somewhat feel) like skin. I got that shit all over the carpet when making them and it's never coming off.
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 05, 2025, 02:58:12 AMQuote from: Manhog_84 on October 26, 2025, 09:21:45 AMFor Demonstrative Evidence owners: it seems some kind of chemical reaction happened with the cover paint, and it has become gooey and sticks to my fingers now. Same thing with the other copies? As nice as the packaging looks, I'd rather have a regular CD case without the slime.
Yeah. It isn't paint. It's liquid latex because I wanted to to look (and somewhat feel) like skin. I got that shit all over the carpet when making them and it's never coming off.
Oh shit! Nothing worse than spilling shit on the carpet! I know how that goes kind of. Spilled candle wax one time all over the damn carpet before and then watched this tutorial on how to get it out. Had to lay down a towel and use an iron over the towel and the wax adhered to the towel, pulling it from the carpet. I wonder if a similar method could be applied in some similar way, but since it's a latex maybe won't work the same. Fucking carpet seems to always get the worst of it!