No one has brought up this label other than in classified ads, does anyone know about it or have thoughts on it? Ties with PEAC might off put some listeners.
Almost every release is banned and extremely limited with a lot of newer releases less than 5 people say they have it on discogs, max collected being under 20.
Yeah it always struck me as an instagram shock label. PEAC is pretty weak and people notice that. There are plenty of other ways for checking out "sketchy" PE/Noise that are worth mentioning.
Quote from: HateSermon on October 15, 2023, 06:13:22 AMPEAC is pretty weak and people notice that.
Listen to the first track in this album, youtube(dot)com/watch?v=RTPqjRuIo88 it's arguably better than some of your work.
Yeah I can agree somewhat in regard of it being extremely hit or miss with some people doing it terribly & people also not. Can't just dismiss every problematic project in a genre because some of them aren't as good as others.
I don't think people dismiss every problematic project. Sometimes it is obvious that release is merely designed "for the fans of..." -audience and if you are not that audience, then barely reasons to check them out?
Sometimes, if label boss, compilation curator or artists can't seem to differentiate between what is good and what is not, I would suppose it will have its results. That is valid criticism all around the scene.
Something such as Plantation, not bad. There is even releases on.. lets say, legit noise labels. I have distributed handful of them. Best stuff lives up to level people actually want the stuff.
One could assume people who like for example Brethren and Deathkey, might like many of bands from this "scene", but would there be some utterly remarkable album from there that stands next to monuments of power electronics or noise history? I do not know. At least I have not seen such things.
My own criticism is mostly that what "PEAC" refers to, RAC, appears so vastly different phenomena. It is like comparing online siege culture meme trolling with daily life revolutionary social movement. Edgy and sketchy semi-private releases fine with me. To get more praise from noise scene often requires that one just have to make really damn good noise.
Aside from some of the releases sounding too digital to my ears, I have enjoyed various things associated with this label/broader scene. AZAB has some great albums (especially his covers of a few metal tracks), Plantation is good, and the guy from Training Compound is a cool person to talk with (and a talented musician as well).
A lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I have enjoyed the Steel Law tapes I have heard
Quote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
Never heard any of these projects before but that Plantation clip sounds nice.
fuck this racist horseshit
There are decent projects, such as Plantation, Strike force, Steel law, Trigger, etc. Mostly driven by ideology more than by the noise quality or by releasing beautiful editions. If you reach out to them, it's because you know what you'll get.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
There was some interview he did a few years ago where he basically said "i don't give a fuck what your beliefs are because they aren't mine, all that matters is if you make good art", so i'm not too too surprised between that and some of the other stuff he's put out over the years haha. That said, the tape he did for them is WAY more toned down than their usual fare in terms of explicit imagery and subject matter. It's also far and away my favorite Plantation release, so make of that what you will
Quote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 11:11:14 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
There was some interview he did a few years ago where he basically said "i don't give a fuck what your beliefs are because they aren't mine, all that matters is if you make good art", so i'm not too too surprised between that and some of the other stuff he's put out over the years haha. That said, the tape he did for them is WAY more toned down than their usual fare in terms of explicit imagery and subject matter. It's also far and away my favorite Plantation release, so make of that what you will
It's not that I thought that Fusty was
anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster? Then again, I am no great expert on that label, and it's been a while since I last looked closely through his releases.
Do you have a link to the interview (assuming it's online)?
And yes, that Plantation was much less explicit than usual! It makes me wonder how many people are unaware of just what sort of project they were adding to their collections!
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 11:11:14 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
There was some interview he did a few years ago where he basically said "i don't give a fuck what your beliefs are because they aren't mine, all that matters is if you make good art", so i'm not too too surprised between that and some of the other stuff he's put out over the years haha. That said, the tape he did for them is WAY more toned down than their usual fare in terms of explicit imagery and subject matter. It's also far and away my favorite Plantation release, so make of that what you will
It's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster? Then again, I am no great expert on that label, and it's been a while since I last looked closely through his releases.
Do you have a link to the interview (assuming it's online)?
And yes, that Plantation was much less explicit than usual! It makes me wonder how many people are unaware of just what sort of project they were adding to their collections!
It can get pretty overt in its politics (that new Reaper release he did comes to mind especially) but it seems to be a slightly more recent thing? At least from what I've seen.
Also I found the interview, i didn't find the exact timestamp but the whole thing is really interesting anyways so it's worth a complete listen imo: https://archive.org/details/Episode4Deterge
I'm sure plenty of people had no idea (and probably still don't), for the best probably
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMIt's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster?
Sarin Snow? Koufar? I would assume generally most good noise labels
agree on noise. Plantation "Orion" tape, if you listen the tape (rip found from youtube if you don't have it), it should be no surprising at all that it qualified for tape release. On that release, content doesn't appear to be anything utterly unusual in category of power electronics. If assuming it was mostly bought by people into loud obnoxious noise-with-vocals contemporary PE, I'd suspect very few if anyone would have problem to own such tape, hah... Lets say, next to other loud and obnoxious tapes Fusty is known for.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 17, 2023, 09:00:49 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMIt's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster?
Sarin Snow? Koufar?
not to mention the left leaning stuff like support unit, stress orphan, controlled opposition, etc
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 17, 2023, 09:00:49 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMIt's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster?
Sarin Snow? Koufar? I would assume generally most good noise labels agree on noise. Plantation "Orion" tape, if you listen the tape (rip found from youtube if you don't have it), it should be no surprising at all that it qualified for tape release. On that release, content doesn't appear to be anything utterly unusual in category of power electronics. If assuming it was mostly bought by people into loud obnoxious noise-with-vocals contemporary PE, I'd suspect very few if anyone would have problem to own such tape, hah... Lets say, next to other loud and obnoxious tapes Fusty is known for.
Like I said, it's been a while since I dug through his catalog---most of what I buy from his label tend to be the anonymous one-off projects that are often overlooked/ignored (not to mention bought years late!).
I need to listen to the
Orion tape again. For some reason I remember it being a lot more mellow that his other releases/PE generally, but we already know that my memory is not the be trusted!
Quote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 17, 2023, 08:56:13 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 11:11:14 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
There was some interview he did a few years ago where he basically said "i don't give a fuck what your beliefs are because they aren't mine, all that matters is if you make good art", so i'm not too too surprised between that and some of the other stuff he's put out over the years haha. That said, the tape he did for them is WAY more toned down than their usual fare in terms of explicit imagery and subject matter. It's also far and away my favorite Plantation release, so make of that what you will
It's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster? Then again, I am no great expert on that label, and it's been a while since I last looked closely through his releases.
Do you have a link to the interview (assuming it's online)?
And yes, that Plantation was much less explicit than usual! It makes me wonder how many people are unaware of just what sort of project they were adding to their collections!
It can get pretty overt in its politics (that new Reaper release he did comes to mind especially) but it seems to be a slightly more recent thing? At least from what I've seen.
Also I found the interview, i didn't find the exact timestamp but the whole thing is really interesting anyways so it's worth a complete listen imo: https://archive.org/details/Episode4Deterge
I'm sure plenty of people had no idea (and probably still don't), for the best probably
Thanks!
Quote from: aububs on October 16, 2023, 09:31:56 PMfuck this racist horseshit
The title "Synthesizer As Flammenwerfer" did gave me a chuckle though. Hans, get ze flammenwerfer!
Quote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 17, 2023, 08:56:13 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 17, 2023, 02:21:53 AMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 11:11:14 PMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
There was some interview he did a few years ago where he basically said "i don't give a fuck what your beliefs are because they aren't mine, all that matters is if you make good art", so i'm not too too surprised between that and some of the other stuff he's put out over the years haha. That said, the tape he did for them is WAY more toned down than their usual fare in terms of explicit imagery and subject matter. It's also far and away my favorite Plantation release, so make of that what you will
It's not that I thought that Fusty was anti political noise (of either side), and more that I don't recall there being many overtly political projects on his roster? Then again, I am no great expert on that label, and it's been a while since I last looked closely through his releases.
Do you have a link to the interview (assuming it's online)?
And yes, that Plantation was much less explicit than usual! It makes me wonder how many people are unaware of just what sort of project they were adding to their collections!
It can get pretty overt in its politics (that new Reaper release he did comes to mind especially) but it seems to be a slightly more recent thing? At least from what I've seen.
Also I found the interview, i didn't find the exact timestamp but the whole thing is really interesting anyways so it's worth a complete listen imo: https://archive.org/details/Episode4Deterge
I'm sure plenty of people had no idea (and probably still don't), for the best probably
Thank you for posting this link, haven't heard Harsh Truths episodes before and at least this episode is really interesting. The talk about people coming to noise scene from punk / hardcore and their tendency of trying to change the noise scene into ideologically and morally homogenized mess was particulary interesting and pretty on point.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
considering that they seem to be on the same comp, it may make sense
https://www.discogs.com/release/8949957-Various-Power-Electronics-Against-Communism
Quote from: opacaluce on October 23, 2023, 03:45:57 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 16, 2023, 07:24:04 PMQuote from: TheGreatestThreat on October 16, 2023, 08:05:58 AMA lot of the PEAC artists are really solid (Plantation and Training Compound in particular I enjoy a lot), but the bad ones, even if they're only tangentially affiliated (BN comes to mind) are REALLY bad, and I can see why someone would dismiss that circle of people as a whole if they heard one of the bad ones on first exposure.
I get why people would dismiss them because of the imagery but the Plantation tape on fusty is still one of the sickest releases from that year
I didn't realize that tape was on Fusty! Or that he would release projects of that political persuasion...
considering that they seem to be on the same comp, it may make sense
https://www.discogs.com/release/8949957-Various-Power-Electronics-Against-Communism
Interesting---never noticed that before.
What fascinates me with this label is (mentioning no names) person behind label was behind a well known U.S. Power Electronics project that to me was an excellent project. Curious to know what they would do that, dissapaear off grid and do an obcure label like this. Was it a result of the politics of the label's projects that he vanished and did this instead, did at some point he just become politically inclined in the same vein as the label and disapear? I haven't heard anything by the label, but am curious and have to ask are they really that way, or is it just for shock?