After recent virtual altercation here (#neofolk thread) and the offended scum reports, my Bandcamp page has once again been deleted. I am not going to make a scene here regarding those initiated it.
If you have ordered anything from me recently via Bandcamp - please get in touch via my email repeating your original order from OCTOBER-NOVEMBER period (recent Linekraft / merch / Martin Bladh book) for me to handle the order and ship it.
Glory to Ukraine!
this is some really petty shit. who reported you?
I don't think one can see who reports, unless people come to tell about themselves? It is also rather speculative to think one thing leads to being reported.
Many times it is cumulation of reports happening over long period of time and also combined into fact that there is something that can be reported.
Bandcamp has deleted tons of pages over the years. It includes anything from XXX rated titles or art, to "promotion of violence", people complaining of releases they paid for and never got and so on. A lot of underground labels have pretty much no way finding out what exactly was reason the page was taken down. Already years ago I know cases where they will simply say "violation of term" and that's that. When trying to ask what was the violation, they'll not give you any details. A lot of noise releases already as is, fall under "violation of terms".
Not to mention Bladh book in itself. If they got their entire youtube removed long ago. If there was samples of book content, I would be not surprised whole thing gets taken down. And that sensitive people of today keep reporting things they didn't want to see.
I can understand why he's pissed people off after reading his Zionist ramblings, however I believe in free speech, he should be able to say what he wants.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2024, 10:53:49 AMthey will simply say "violation of term" and that's that
are we surprised by this at all? especially after the acquisition by epic games a company under tencent (chinese multinational corp recently pairing with saudi) they want to keep a "squeaky clean" site. if you are not trans woman of color with sob story good luck getting anything but scrutiny.
Quote from: XXX on November 11, 2024, 08:12:33 PMQuote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2024, 10:53:49 AMthey will simply say "violation of term" and that's that
are we surprised by this at all? especially after the acquisition by epic games a company under tencent (chinese multinational corp recently pairing with saudi) they want to keep a "squeaky clean" site. if you are not trans woman of color with sob story good luck getting anything but scrutiny.
As a more prosaic version of the above, we are talking corporate multinational interests, where there is ZERO interest in protecting free speech, and with slightest sniff of sketchy content or any complaint against material which sells in low figures, it is far easier to immediately delete than even bother investigating, as why would they even want the headache in the first place?
With that said, Ulex Xane in an interview said he had difficulty in getting European distribution back in the day for Striecher tapes. So even underground industrial distros at the time were exhibiting the same caution of not wanting headaches of controversy as these corporates are displaying today.
Quote from: XXX on November 11, 2024, 08:12:33 PMQuote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 10, 2024, 10:53:49 AMthey will simply say "violation of term" and that's that
are we surprised by this at all? especially after the acquisition by epic games a company under tencent (chinese multinational corp recently pairing with saudi) they want to keep a "squeaky clean" site. if you are not trans woman of color with sob story good luck getting anything but scrutiny.
Seen this type of censorship coming from Bandcamp from years back. It's yet another corporation like any other today whom are all in on this "woke" ideology interwoven with their business practices/policies. I think it would be for the best if all likeminded artists would just abandon Bandcamp all together. They clearly hate freedom of speech/expression. I know others who have also had their accounts taken down for content that wasn't even in any type of violation. It's outrageous, but what can one expect from another modern day corporation.
Quote from: re:evolution on November 11, 2024, 09:37:28 PMWith that said, Ulex Xane in an interview said he had difficulty in getting European distribution back in the day for Streicher tapes. So even underground industrial distros at the time were exhibiting the same caution of not wanting headaches of controversy as these corporates are displaying today.
I suppose this has always been the case? Now when there is such a small number of distributors and most distribute most of all things they like (as opposed to old timer big distro mentality where one would distribute anything that is out there), it leads quickly that any polemic fringe stuff is avoided, either due not being interested in such material or material is not being worth of trouble it can cause. Many may not even be able to list it to their store without risk of getting whole thing taken down. Very easy to just keep distance or get handful copies you can sell under-the-counter to friends or regulars, so to say.
I would assume, that less than controversial releases, it's more about people making polemic statements of some of the currently heated subjects. Recently certain social media has been reported to start making political posts less visible, which may be not question of censoring opinions, but restricting content that makes user feel bored and not even want to click the app open, when he knows what is there, and therefore hurt the business aspects of the company. Not taking stand on anything else than keeping platform profitable and to appeal largest number of people.
I am not even sure what would be point of using artists or label channels as method of "taking stand" on current day politics in very specific and ordinary manner. Or obnoxious manner. Therefore, also in this forum, useless quarrels are not welcomed and many appear to be surprised how "clean" the forum is, while there is total shitshow frequently going on at any other noise related discussion platforms. I hope to keep it that way. Not to keep SI "profitable" or "appealing to maximum amount of people", but perhaps even opposite. Keep it appealing to small amount of noise-heads out there. There are endless amount of places to discuss politics, social issues and such things if one considers it important. Even possibility to take it outdoors from virtual world, take part of projects designed for support of some particular cause etc.
Perhaps Bandcamp is using the same method of "censorship" that most sites use to prevent "useless quarrels". If they don't shut it down, they will probably have to field many complaints from each side of the group thinkers. I am curious where the "endless amount of places to discuss politics" are, not that that I doubt they exist, I'm just curious to see a noise site that allow political shit shows; especially where very fringe ideologies are allowed. Now that I've thought about it, most places don't allow/encourage political discussion, the workplace and social media have explicit rules against it. Maybe it's for the best because most people say the same thing, yet society is a mess and any political discussion leads to a heated shitshow that is completely unproductive. Let's all stand in solidarity to eradicate political ideology comrades! This war will unite us all.
Quote from: PSYWARRIOR84 on November 13, 2024, 04:18:58 PMPerhaps Bandcamp is using the same method of "censorship" that most sites use to prevent "useless quarrels". If they don't shut it down, they will probably have to field many complaints from each side of the group thinkers. I am curious where the "endless amount of places to discuss politics" are, not that that I doubt they exist, I'm just curious to see a noise site that allow political shit shows; especially where very fringe ideologies are allowed. Now that I've thought about it, most places don't allow/encourage political discussion, the workplace and social media have explicit rules against it. Maybe it's for the best because most people say the same thing, yet society is a mess and any political discussion leads to a heated shitshow that is completely unproductive. Let's all stand in solidarity to eradicate political ideology comrades! This war will unite us all.
Eradication of political ideologies in a forum setting discussion seems to be mandatory and really should be lifted away from this perticular forum that has an established sense of principles, that maybe we all tend to "forget" from time to time and really those same ideas should be upheld on any type of forum that puts "art" first. Mundane political discourse doesn't have a place in art by and large you couid say, or in the grand scheme of things one could maybe argue, as it could then become used a tool of propaganda and not to say that those whom want to rid of such discussion are by default advocating for a sense of censorship, but solely on the idea of erasing this "political conundrum" no matter what side it's advocating for, generally brings a "shitshow" in general and I think we can honestly agree that it almost certainly always does, as you'll constantly have this ying and yang argument that never finds resolution for the common good, generally ideologies one far way or the other thrive deep in the eye of the tornado and because of this the discussion of such mundane gripes just recirculate with no end in sight. I can fully understand and appreciate the purity of keeping the forum free of such discussion, although it creeps in and out and generally because out of mundane frustrations out of average everyday circumstances of living that feels unavoidable in some circumstances, it's certainly for the best to keep it void for the sake of art in general, when it comes to discussion in forum setting especially as we are all generally from a collective of all walks and because of that, we have an illustrious, collage of ideas to add to these genres of marginal music/noise in which we all love dearly. That's truly a principal that should be given a proper nod, cause it's the only way for artistic minded individuals to have the freedom to move forward, but it allows EVERYONE the same opportunity, no matter what we stand for on the surface to have the opportunity to breathe life into our art, wrong or right and allow it to grow properly, 100% free of judgment and bias.
It would be so convenient Ukraine is no more - no resistance, no complaints, no upsetting news for the admins, no f dilemmas one only whispers and never utters aloud. Now when Ukrainian projects and labels have been banned extensively on all services we need to unite and finally show those Ukrainians we are strong and spare no funds and human resources making the world a better place without those plebs, who twice as hard trying to survive and keep their heads held high. We should teach them how to bury heads like an ostrich and eat sand. It is comfy.
Polical content is not banned, only the "bickering" that leads nowhere. Its very much possible do benefit projects, fund raising and such. Plus if necessary, discuss when related to noise.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 15, 2024, 05:39:44 PMPolical content is not banned, only the "bickering" that leads nowhere. Its very much possible do benefit projects, fund raising and such. Plus if necessary, discuss when related to noise.
Precisely and better put. Not a ban of political discussion, but a ban of the unnecessary "bickering", which nowadays seems to be synonymous with political discussion unfortunately a lot of times.
F do you know what war is or how it is to live under such conditions when sleep deprivation lasts 2.5 years because of the air raids? It is NOT the f news you carelessly try to switch whenever there is something about another Ukrainian house, avenue, street, city being erased, 'cause you are tired to listen to those and it is better to buy pints of beer and get drunk than listen to anything Ukraine-related. You are entitled to - no problem, you are not supposed to, forced to, obliged to support- just do not PRETEND you care when you have a hangover. Let's talk about US elections, right (?), or any other safe space agenda instead of "the "bickering" that leads nowhere" - that would lead you to somewhere safe, sure. The level of hypocrisy among the noise "aristocrats" who idly contemplate about the f world new order or private anarchy...
ruZZian population is 5 times more than Ukrainian and yet there is not a single post from that scum public - not a f single ruZZian project cares to drop anything here in person - only stealthily report while secretly monitoring. All those services (fb, bandcamp, etc) have hundreds of the "hate speech" content, yet no-one cares to down them. Just because you are not spotted allows you to spread any agenda you want and anti-Ukrainian propaganda works fine because Ukrainians allow that as we have been targeted for decades? You want to censor us, as we are stupid SAYING WHAT WE REALLY THINK - we should be smarter, act better, shut our f mouths and compromise. Rhetoric.
I have been talking to the void. I am sure you have a nice comfy community here to discuss how to produce censored stuff but act a prophet who always knows better, admins say so.
If you want to insult me saying "all men are soldiers and you are not - when mobilized?" - report you ruZZian ceo you are doing your best and soon that Ukrainian collapses and we can feast upon his corpse.
Quote from: Olegh Kolyada on November 15, 2024, 08:39:31 PMI have been talking to the void.
less than 30 posts outside of the for sale section & only to complain about russia. this is a music discussion forum. take that shit to twitter mate.
Quote from: XXX on November 15, 2024, 09:01:25 PMQuote from: Olegh Kolyada on November 15, 2024, 08:39:31 PMI have been talking to the void.
less than 30 posts outside of the for sale section & only to complain about russia. this is a music discussion forum. take that shit to twitter mate.
Sure, because there has been war in Ukraine broke out by ruZZia. You expect Ukrainians talk about your twitter?
Quote from: Olegh Kolyada on November 15, 2024, 08:39:31 PMF do you know what war is or how it is to live under such conditions when sleep deprivation lasts 2.5 years because of the air raids? It is NOT the f news you carelessly try to switch whenever there is something about another Ukrainian house, avenue, street, city being erased, 'cause you are tired to listen to those and it is better to buy pints of beer and get drunk than listen to anything Ukraine-related. You are entitled to - no problem, you are not supposed to, forced to, obliged to support- just do not PRETEND you care when you have a hangover. Let's talk about US elections, right (?), or any other safe space agenda instead of "the "bickering" that leads nowhere" - that would lead you to somewhere safe, sure. The level of hypocrisy among the noise "aristocrats" who idly contemplate about the f world new order or private anarchy...
ruZZian population is 5 times more than Ukrainian and yet there is not a single post from that scum public - not a f single ruZZian project cares to drop anything here in person - only stealthily report while secretly monitoring. All those services (fb, bandcamp, etc) have hundreds of the "hate speech" content, yet no-one cares to down them. Just because you are not spotted allows you to spread any agenda you want and anti-Ukrainian propaganda works fine because Ukrainians allow that as we have been targeted for decades? You want to censor us, as we are stupid SAYING WHAT WE REALLY THINK - we should be smarter, act better, shut our f mouths and compromise. Rhetoric.
I have been talking to the void. I am sure you have a nice comfy community here to discuss how to produce censored stuff but act a prophet who always knows better, admins say so.
If you want to insult me saying "all men are soldiers and you are not - when mobilized?" - report you ruZZian ceo you are doing your best and soon that Ukrainian collapses and we can feast upon his corpse.
I kinda misunderstood the rules of the forum. I thought no discussion of "Current American Politics" in the short breakdown of rules, ment modern politics as a whole, I guess I thought about that as a prevention of "shit storm" haha...I dunno why I thought about that so vaguely, my own ignorant folly! Reading the rules more closely at the top, makes more sense now.
In specific regards to the this thread. Who is advocating for Old Captain to be censored and removed from Bandcamp? I think there is a misunderstanding in the forum, at least from my own perspective anyway. I don't see anyone attacking or advocating for Old Captain to be censored and banned from any music platform. I haven't seen anyone post on here in favor of such action. I'm not everyone else, but I can firmly say for myself, that I've been in support of your label, directly and indirectly and for years. You've released some great stuff and stellar reissues. If you're speaking about me in your post, you're mistaking me for some kind of enemy, when I am not. Definitely not in favor of anyone's music to be taken down and censored and I think most people, especially on here would agree too.
Quote from: Olegh Kolyada on November 15, 2024, 08:39:31 PMnot a f single ruZZian project cares to drop anything here in person - only stealthily report while secretly monitoring
As you can see, I hardly participate in forum discussions, but I still want to respond to Olegh's post.
Russia has committed genocide of Ukrainians and at the same time its own population, that is a fact. The country chose to kill Slavs and merge in patriotic ecstasy with North Korea. In Ukraine, defending their homeland, famous musicians in the Black Metal scene are also dying. People, whom I know personally for many years and just my colleagues, were forced to live in cellars for months at the beginning of the war, while shopping malls and neighboring buildings were burning next to their houses. And now the war is slowly but surely moving to the territory of Russia, Ukrainian drones are flying as far as Murmansk region, where I am from, because from local airfields planes are flying to bomb Ukrainian cities.
Yes, I don't know what war is and I don't want to try it on my own skin, but the country I live in now is a huge gulag, where people are imprisoned for giving a "like", for wrong attitude to this war, for calling the war a "war" and not a "special military operation", etc. Jailed for a long time and tortured in prison. No exaggeration. The infamous novel "1984" becomes a reality here, already literally. If I wrote a post of this kind in Russian social networks, most likely sooner or later there would be a knock on my door, because people are imprisoned here for less, rest assured. Nevertheless, my position is known to everyone - Ukrainians should not die for the geopolitical ambitions of one idiot who usurped power in the country and those who applaud him for it. Hell, there are a lot of them here, and even more who just don't give a damn. People in Europe are just as passive because many of them don't realize that these scum won't stop in Ukraine and will go on and don't care about casualties among their own and certainly not about the lives of Ukrainians and everyone else.
To be fair, I haven't noticed that Ukrainian bands or any releases dedicated to this war have been banned anywhere. As mentioned above by other forum members, most of the popular platforms do not like "questionable" content from their point of view, such as the banning of Youtube videos that mentioned the topic of covid a little earlier, because society is becoming too sensitive to "negative" information and big platforms are increasingly crossing the boundaries of common sense in their desire to please everyone. Nevertheless, there are compilations in support of Ukraine, including projects from Russia. Yes, there are only a few of them, but they are exist. But there are also BM bands and Noise\PE projects, with whom I had to break all relations and those who preferred not to communicate with me because of my position. Around me I prefer to create a space without this shit and not to participate in the gigs of people who are seen in at least indirect support of what we are talking about.
For Ukrainians now all Russians are enemies, unfortunately this is also a fact. Nevertheless, I personally want you, Olegh, and your family to do well. Glory to Ukraine!
Some of the supporters now help distributing my releases, so if you care, check it out:
https://industrialdistrolithuania.bandcamp.com/?from=viewsite_dashboard
Sure, it is a matter of time till it is banned by ruzz reports (deeply offended by anyone who is happened to be Ukrainian) but at the moment it is available, so I am foolishly sharing it here.
Anyway, it is a Lithuanian distro and they are going to keep some of my releases, but really few.