A quote from Mr. FreakAnimal in the TF/PE topic made me think about it, that I also don't quite understand, how anyone can "quit noise":
| "I always found strange someone would quit noise (and related)." |
I fully understand, when someone ceases the activities and doesn't make noise anymore, because of various and often personal reasons.
But I cannot imagine to stop listening noise or take part on even minor discussions in forums, thoughts on records and so on.
Of course, everybody's focus or whatever you call it can change everytime.
I just hope, I never lose the pleasure listening to noise (and being interested in all the related art and movies and books etc.)!
If I do someday, I'm dead! Haha
But I'm totally serious here.
What's your opinion?
In short: "You can´t kill what can´t be killed"
It´s in my blood for life, for sure, but I can understand how you could slowly "phase out" of anything... life is all about change - more for some than others.
Quote from: Krigsverk on July 07, 2025, 05:48:48 PMIn short: "You can´t kill what can´t be killed"
It´s in my blood for life, for sure, but I can understand how you could slowly "phase out" of anything... life is all about change - more for some than others.
Totally agree. It's not a quit, it's just a change. Life is always in evolution. You are not quitting, just changing.
I go through phases of listening: Classical, Jazz, etc. But Noise always puuuulls me back in.
I'm currently travelling - no CDs. But when I sit in the bathtub of my current hotel, the ceiling vacuum / fan thing makes a hell of a Noise! Vomirish!! It's fucking beautiful!
Cage said it. Noise is all around us.
I would say you can look at it in Two Different Aspects. Scene/Music/Socials and Pure Sound at it is. First is easy to Quit and to get annoyed by and the Second one is around us all anytime.
Too absolutist of a statement for me to take seriously.
I fully realize that there are very different kinds of people, with different kinds of motivations.
One quality is that people have phases in life, and they "move on" so to say.
I know a lot of people who were "punks" or "metalheads" and then grew up, so to say. They quit, totally. Just adjusted into what is generally expected from people in the society.
I have written about it, quite alot, some of it found from SI website too. Addressing question if what we are involved in is what in past was seen as "youth culture".
It is very very interesting perspective to realize how new idea is to be somehow committed to (sub)culture that is not all about minimum level of survival. That we have merely couple decades of examples of this. Formerly, it was some sort of rebellious transition moment, before there was something else and idea of grown up man committing some something besides feeding family just wasn't really option.
I was born to moment when to rebel was no longer like "summer of 68" or "summer of 77", but turned out into something else. It was no longer that brief moment, where summer or two you got adolescent idealism, what gets suppressed and you get back to line, so to say. Now what we have is life long commitments into something what in past was just anomaly before you got back in line.
I know a lot of people who are merely in search of something. They test things. A lot of trends. A lot of phases. Making couple noise releases is like fucking couple ladies. You know there are bunch of different kinds of ladies you want to try out and not settle on HNW.. so to say.
I am not here just to "try out things". Noise was never phase, not something that was "done", something I would get tired. I can understand there are people who just test things and realize there are more suitable things for them elsewhere move there. I was never like that, never quit anything, never quit liking something I liked, never felt disappointment nor regret of things I've been doing.
Right now, listening SLOGUN, just after listening DISSECTING TABLE, and drinking little whiskey with it. After day of various types of activities, I am sure there are a lot of things I should do, focus and do more, but "quitting" something ain't happening. I rather feel that what I consider to be "industrial noise", both as a sound, plus as worldview, is just so much more that just about anything there is.
I never quit listening other types of music, but indeed, I listen LESS of something. All music genres, I don't need to be listening daily, weekly, or even monthly. I like it, but I don't necessarily need to listen all types of music all the time. Noise, in other hand, since I discovered it, I was always into it. Maximum amount of not listening noise, is being in conditions where I do not have access to stereos or noise releases. That means, just days, maximum of couple weeks when simply being in conditions of not being possible to listen.
That said, even if I'd spend hours in day doing so, I get to do plenty of things BESIDES listening records, cds, and tapes.
I can't see myself "quitting noise", but if someone else does, and find something better, fine! To me, noise feels compatible to almost anything, so I am really puzzled to hear people moving away from noise for sake of "family" or "work" or whatever. As if you'd need to really make choise between those things?
As for being part of "scene" or being "visible", I dont think that matters so much.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 07, 2025, 11:08:48 PMI fully realize that there are very different kinds of people, with different kinds of motivations.
One quality is that people have phases in life, and they "move on" so to say.
I know a lot of people who were "punks" or "metalheads" and then grew up, so to say. They quit, totally. Just adjusted into what is generally expected from people in the society.
I have written about it, quite alot, some of it found from SI website too. Addressing question if what we are involved in is what in past was seen as "youth culture".
It is very very interesting perspective to realize how new idea is to be somehow committed to (sub)culture that is not all about minimum level of survival. That we have merely couple decades of examples of this. Formerly, it was some sort of rebellious transition moment, before there was something else and idea of grown up man committing some something besides feeding family just wasn't really option.
I was born to moment when to rebel was no longer like "summer of 68" or "summer of 77", but turned out into something else. It was no longer that brief moment, where summer or two you got adolescent idealism, what gets suppressed and you get back to line, so to say. Now what we have is life long commitments into something what in past was just anomaly before you got back in line.
I know a lot of people who are merely in search of something. They test things. A lot of trends. A lot of phases. Making couple noise releases is like fucking couple ladies. You know there are bunch of different kinds of ladies you want to try out and not settle on HNW.. so to say.
I am not here just to "try out things". Noise was never phase, not something that was "done", something I would get tired. I can understand there are people who just test things and realize there are more suitable things for them elsewhere move there. I was never like that, never quit anything, never quit liking something I liked, never felt disappointment nor regret of things I've been doing.
Right now, listening SLOGUN, just after listening DISSECTING TABLE, and drinking little whiskey with it. After day of various types of activities, I am sure there are a lot of things I should do, focus and do more, but "quitting" something ain't happening. I rather feel that what I consider to be "industrial noise", both as a sound, plus as worldview, is just so much more that just about anything there is.
I never quit listening other types of music, but indeed, I listen LESS of something. All music genres, I don't need to be listening daily, weekly, or even monthly. I like it, but I don't necessarily need to listen all types of music all the time. Noise, in other hand, since I discovered it, I was always into it. Maximum amount of not listening noise, is being in conditions where I do not have access to stereos or noise releases. That means, just days, maximum of couple weeks when simply being in conditions of not being possible to listen.
That said, even if I'd spend hours in day doing so, I get to do plenty of things BESIDES listening records, cds, and tapes.
I can't see myself "quitting noise", but if someone else does, and find something better, fine! To me, noise feels compatible to almost anything, so I am really puzzled to hear people moving away from noise for sake of "family" or "work" or whatever. As if you'd need to really make choise between those things?
As for being part of "scene" or being "visible", I dont think that matters so much.
I think there is something to be said about renouncing youth in a sense and giving your life to something as an adult. Even if you got into noise as a youth, the more it begins to take a hold onto your life - the more you see different shades of it - the less it becomes innocent or wild or extreme in youth, but actually something more serious, something to devote time to.
Which goes hand in hand with just spending less time with certains genres, albums or artists but not quitting your likeness to them. Taste just gets more refined as time goes on perhaps, and maybe quitting something means your taste wasn't refined or that you feel time not devoted to something all the time means it is defacto version of quitting?
Can't speak for others but I feel like if you like something enough - like noise, lots of things can become study guides, even if you aren't doing it 100% of the time. Like Minus1 said, noise is all around us. With that mindset, quitting may be impossible, learning is always availble. Long periods where one doesn't make noise could be interchanged with lots of listening, or the inverse. But also good to mention, it isn't passive and it is a life perspective to take into account when interacting with things that aren't noise. So, for this sort of mindset, quitting noise is more than just not partaking in a musical genre, or listening to it, but changing how someone goes about their life? Not sure if that's entirelty accurate, but definitely interesting to think about. This is more adding onto what Mikko was saying, and not the notion of quitting noise to pursue a career, family or otherwise.
It's not a prison gang. In the words of Lemmy, "do what you want".
It wouldn't be strange to replace noise with styles that use a wide range of sounds like acousmatic music. Depends on what you were looking for from noise.
Quitting noise for what ? Lady Gaga ? Cant you listen to both ? - If you have lost interest in music in general OK i get it, but that's not quitting noise is quitting music. If one day you play one of your favorites and you find hey i dont like it finally, i dont like noise at all, i 'move on' , that's quitting. And probably you never really liked it for what it is.
Everything else is just phases. I dont have time, i ll manage my time to focus more into something else etc. - I do have periods that i dont listen to noise but that falls into the 'quitting life' category, meaning times when my mind is fucked and dont want to anything, no pleasure, no interest, kill me. Usually i buy more noise then !
One thing is also conditions in life, what enable things. I hear horror stories of men meeting woman who eventually concludes that your records are now going to storage, or garage or something. It will be drastic difference is your daily life happening in front of huge flat screen tv, book shelves, empty white stylish room or.. perhaps stereo system and bunch of all time favorite albums. I think there is direct correlation of where your focus will be drifting.
I think one of most curious things is projects that announce quitting. Maybe happens less now, but I remember when there was quite frequent announcements about quitting... many also returned back in action as soon as conditions in life allowed. In most cases, people wouldn't even notice. Only in very rare cases you could say it is indeed artistic creation reaching completion or that artists who work on this level of "publicity" need to announce what is current state of their project.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 08, 2025, 01:50:24 PMOne thing is also conditions in life, what enable things. I hear horror stories of men meeting woman who eventually concludes that your records are now going to storage, or garage or something. It will be drastic difference is your daily life happening in front of huge flat screen tv, book shelves, empty white stylish room or.. perhaps stereo system and bunch of all time favorite albums. I think there is direct correlation of where your focus will be drifting.
I think one of most curious things is projects that announce quitting. Maybe happens less now, but I remember when there was quite frequent announcements about quitting... many also returned back in action as soon as conditions in life allowed. In most cases, people wouldn't even notice. Only in very rare cases you could say it is indeed artistic creation reaching completion or that artists who work on this level of "publicity" need to announce what is current state of their project.
My dad lost a majority of his vinyl collection to a flood when he had to pack up his records in the basement. I shudder at the idea of that happening to me...
Artists making "I quit" announcements is probably so infrequent nowadays because in the age of social media, it is hard to avoid something you invested so much of your online profiles to. All these pages you follow are posting noise, you have close relationships, etc. Trying to quit noise for some would basically mean they'd also have to quit going on Instagram or whatever. Easier said than done for most.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 08, 2025, 01:50:24 PMOne thing is also conditions in life, what enable things. I hear horror stories of men meeting woman who eventually concludes that your records are now going to storage, or garage or something. It will be drastic difference is your daily life happening in front of huge flat screen tv, book shelves, empty white stylish room or.. perhaps stereo system and bunch of all time favorite albums. I think there is direct correlation of where your focus will be drifting.
There's nothing worse than seeing a man being psychologically castrated in his own home under the guise of "settling down" but it unfortunately happens all too often.
Staying on topic, despite knowing people from different walks and backgrounds of life, I've never strayed away from the music I listen to or unconventional interests/beliefs I have. I always found it strange when people do a complete 180 and never look back. Feels inauthentic and disingenuous to me.
Quote from: Wild Nature Acolyte on July 09, 2025, 03:34:32 AMQuote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 08, 2025, 01:50:24 PMOne thing is also conditions in life, what enable things. I hear horror stories of men meeting woman who eventually concludes that your records are now going to storage, or garage or something. It will be drastic difference is your daily life happening in front of huge flat screen tv, book shelves, empty white stylish room or.. perhaps stereo system and bunch of all time favorite albums. I think there is direct correlation of where your focus will be drifting.
There's nothing worse than seeing a man being psychologically castrated in his own home under the guise of "settling down" but it unfortunately happens all too often.
Staying on topic, despite knowing people from different walks and backgrounds of life, I've never strayed away from the music I listen to or unconventional interests/beliefs I have. I always found it strange when people do a complete 180 and never look back. Feels inauthentic and disingenuous to me.
I totally agree! It's the absolute worst. I use to have some metal head friends in my 20s and all of them are gone as far as music interest is concerned, mostly the whiffle thrasher type, which was force fed popular thrash metal by MTV in the late 80s early 90s, once that shit stopped they stopped and couldn't find bands anymore... and then the "settling down" conditions hammered them down forever and once in awhile they'll have this nostalgia about something from back then that has no big impact on me anymore, but to them it's like still the greatest band or music or whatever, cause while settling down they didn't follow along, all they got is this one distant memory from a long time ago and then it becomes very hard for me to relate to these types of people, because I've invested most of my adult life into music and mostly as a listener, so I've become very alienated with those types of people, whom I originally only connected with through music. You start to almost feel like this immortal vampire after awhile, haha your interests have remained as always, may have changed or evolved in some ways, while you see people come and go for decades. The process almost seems normal to me now, cause I've seen a lot of people come and go with music interests in specific.
I've gone through many different life periods, some good, some not so good, lived in 5 different countries, tried things and yeah I admit, quit them when I discovered they weren't for me. I "discovered" noise in my early 20's, but I was already approaching middle age when I really got into it. Like I mentioned in Olli's (EoD) documentary, this one is starting to feel like a life sentence. No complaints.
People change, scenes change. I can't see myself stop listening to the music I like, but I can see my interest and thus real life engagement wane if the scene changes into something that's not for me. Through the ups and downs, it hasn't happened yet that I couldn't find anything out there to be excited about, but hypothetically it could happen and then I'd simply sit at home and listen to all that stuff I've hoarded through the years. Quitting listening to noise: never, quitting parttaking in the scene: possibly.
Sometime things come and go. PLacing an enormous amount of effort in releasing stuff, producing records, organising/attending/performing at gig, making network (taht is still the thing I enjoy the most). All this is great until you face more moundane things like family, work, health issues etc.
Sometimes I am super excited, other times, like the past two years, I focus only on my own thing and very slowly develop new projects. I listen less noise today than (UNPC) oi/hardcore at the moment, but whenever I get good stuff for friends makes me feel at home.
The excercise of making noise, choosing (and buying or assembling) new gear, new software or new know how (MAX Jitter being a fantastic ally for the past decade) is and will always be stimulating, same goes for the visual parts. Despite power electronics for me is always linked to some kind of story telling, the noise behind it is and always been the most exciting part when it comes to try to create sounds and atmospheres you would like to listen yourself.
Lost track of noise a bit between my mid 20s and mid 30s. For whatever reason I spent my late 30s getting deeply reacquainted. Now at 48 I don't think it will stop.
Noise as social organization around a genre, I have zero interest in that anymore.
Noise as a non-genre specific sphere of sonic possibilities, approaches, and frameworks for sound, I still utilize that in my music.
Interests change yadda yadda, I'm deeply entrenched in metal and sort of the same for other niche sounds like noise, hardcore punk and vaporwave (have to relax you know) and could never truly leave it. Do have to admit I feel like throwing it off when it comes to women, I don't want to them to know me as a stereotype, with ensuing rejection. But experience has learnt me that's only a lustful phase and it doesn't matter anyway, the morbid freak in me will always show its ugly head hah.
I am of the opinion that once one gets deeper in underground genres, the sounds and ideas will no doubt leave traces in ones brain. It's a matter of conditioning and in that sense, one can never truly 'leave', as it has made its mark in the psyche. I could never say I dislike noise, any explanation would be an excuse after me and my brain already decided it's good stuff. I could always see the merit in it and any further explanation for a sudden dislike would just be excuses I tell myself. Boredom of course can strike, but a change/fatigue ≠ leaving/quitting.