We recently did Dead Door Unit interview for Noisecast when Ken was on tour. It has not yet been published. Will be announced when its out. There was one topic I was thinking earlier to start as discussion on forum. I know some people were slightly annoyed about "music fragments" on Dead Door Unit, so question was accurate to ask from him.
I had been just listening RLW CD, old one on Selektion label. As good as it is, when kind of thrash/speed metal sampling starts, its such an turn off. Not that I would dislike thrash metal. Not at all, and I do understand how revolutionary it may have been when also guys like Merzbow gets to hear death metal for the first time and then samples Morbid Angel into his noise, hah.. but my own perspective is that, for me, it is not "exotic". It's like "what's next? Metallica playing on noise CD?". Just something that doesn't fit there.
It is curious thing, since someone plaing vintage marching songs or old wartime pop music is like THING on industrial/martial stuff. Or you got artists sampling atmospheric passages of classical music or jazz, which seems just fine. It makes me wonder does someone hear those things like I hear metal? That the clips there are not just "abstract", but they are indeed someone elses songs thrown into noise. Like lets say, Prurient was using looong passages of Arvo Pärt on one of his old CD's. Back then, in USA underground music circles artist would be unknown mythical name. From todays perspective, just putting Pärt orchestral drone going on, isn't necessarily working with same way. It may sound just like putting clips of Morbid Angel on noise CD.
So I am wondering if people find kind of unwanted music clips from the noise. Something you'd hope wasn't there. Something that is too familiar, too easy, kind of.. that reeks or someone just grabbing first Reader's Digest mozart LP for scratching turntable noise and you're like.. uhhh.. wtf?
And what music passages could be ok? Thematic, conceptual elements? Connections to wider culture/life in general?
What comes to mind is the Petula Clark sample at the end of "Bodycount" by Grey Wolves. At first listen it made me chuckle a bit and maybe roll my eyes. But as time goes on I've come to LOVE the sample and the way it ends off the beast of a track.
While not noise, Diapsiquir sampled a Jedi Mind Tricks track for the opener to A.N.T.I. ("I'm the definition of toxic, toxic, toxic. Anyone who ever got close to me got sick"). A truly odd one but it fits given the themes of the album, however it still might be jarring to hear after an all out insane intro.
A few that surprised me upon first hearing but make total sense in the overall theme:
Ice-T's Colors on Colour of a Man's Skin - used to jam this track repeatedly as a kid, never expected it to show up in my adult industrial life, heh.
Nylon Beat on a couple Nicole 12 tracks, probably the best pairing of "mainstream" pop music and noise for my money. Britney's Born to Make You Happy would be too obvious!
Alicia Keys on a Caligula031 track, forget which album, maybe Domino? From a blown-out boombox in a cheap motel room or a human trafficking doco, works either way.
Samples must serve a purpose at all time. If used correctly, it benefits the song, like it's the case for Grey Wolves' "Bodycount". First time I heard it was in the GO gig video from Osaka. Had me smiling like a maniac. It's ironic, almost cynic, you get that Brighter Death Now vibe when they play Abba at the end of the gig. Almost make you feel relieved. In this case, I think it's ok, but it's pop music, so the contrast works well in my opinion, although it's not the same for Grey Wolves and BDN.
Ripping/sampling rock/metal songs to include them in harsh noise? I don't know, I can't even picture it.
Hearing Snap!'s The Power sampled by Con-Dom on the Shards of Ordnance compilation (no guesses as to which song it's featured on) gave me a good chuckle when I first heard it. I love a bit of Eurodance though, so good on him.
What comes to mind immediately for me is Nicole 12 - Substitute intro that sampled T.A.T.U. 30 Minutes song with those haunting piano keys only now being put under distortion in the background of what sounds like another sample from some type of TV talk show interview. In my opinion this is the strongest intro on any album of any time. It's a perfect intro in the fact that it opens with a teen pop group that emerged out of the 00 era, which I feel like in some ways is kind of representative of the material. It kind of sets the starting point for this new modern age of decadence. I feel like this was all thought about very carefully and put forth very meticulously or maybe I'm looking at it in a deeper context than was thought about haha.
I don't think there is any "wrong" music to sample in noise/industrial, but I do think there can be "wrong" contexts to sample anything. For me, this is less a thematic point, than a question of whether the given song sample upsets the overall tone/sound/atmosphere/etc. of the recording. Hypothetically, I can imagine scenarios where any music could be found appropriate.
Quote from: prolapsedlielack on April 12, 2026, 10:10:05 AMWhile not noise, Diapsiquir sampled a Jedi Mind Tricks track for the opener to A.N.T.I. ("I'm the definition of toxic, toxic, toxic. Anyone who ever got close to me got sick"). A truly odd one but it fits given the themes of the album, however it still might be jarring to hear after an all out insane intro.
Good choice. This sample accomplishes a lot and does so less than a minute into the album. It is indeed an odd sample and an effective introduction to the bizarre music that follows. Jarring can be appropriate in this case!
I'm curious what people think about well known samples? The faux pas of the low-hanging fruit. When can it work and when does it exasperate you?
EDIT: I realized it may be off topic but I am not only asking about music samples. Perhaps the idea of "low-hanging" samples in general can be relevant to this discussion in some way.
Quote from: Flames of Torture on April 13, 2026, 06:51:15 AMQuote from: prolapsedlielack on April 12, 2026, 10:10:05 AMWhile not noise, Diapsiquir sampled a Jedi Mind Tricks track for the opener to A.N.T.I. ("I'm the definition of toxic, toxic, toxic. Anyone who ever got close to me got sick"). A truly odd one but it fits given the themes of the album, however it still might be jarring to hear after an all out insane intro.
Good choice. This sample accomplishes a lot and does so less than a minute into the album. It is indeed an odd sample and an effective introduction to the bizarre music that follows. Jarring can be appropriate in this case!
If i'm not mistaken, I think Young Thug was sampled on 180° as well? They have a thing for odd samples haha.
Quote from: Flames of Torture on April 13, 2026, 07:00:33 AMI'm curious what people think about well known samples? The faux pas of the low-hanging fruit. When can it work and when does it exasperate you?
It's all about context, purpose and how it's used, although I keep thinking about something Mr. North Central posted some time ago on his IG, recurring to the "ready made by Marcel Duchamp: taking something out of his space to create something new", at which point many possibilities might occur.
Quote from: Flames of Torture on April 13, 2026, 07:00:33 AM(...) Perhaps the idea of "low-hanging" samples in general can be relevant to this discussion in some way.
If I hear Jim Jones one more time I might have to drink the Kool-aid myself.
On topic, regarding music samples, if it fits the tone of the work, I am all for it, no matter what type of music.
Con-Dom has already been mentioned, I'd like to add the Turbofolk/Eurodance sample on The Wilderness' "Selling Olga" opening track. Sets the mood well.
Another stand out to me is the choral/classical back track on Institut's "Once a man" (2003 Live like traitors, die like traitors). I do not know where it is from, but I am certain it is sampled and not an original composition. If anyone knows the sources on these two albeit very different tracks I'd love to know.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on April 12, 2026, 07:18:40 PMI don't think there is any "wrong" music to sample in noise/industrial, but I do think there can be "wrong" contexts to sample anything. For me, this is less a thematic point, than a question of whether the given song sample upsets the overall tone/sound/atmosphere/etc. of the recording. Hypothetically, I can imagine scenarios where any music could be found appropriate.
This.
Sample The Carpenters or Bee Gees in a Noise Epic if it works! 😂
Hasn't Gero sampled some Muzak type shit? I loved how he did it.
Quote from: Minus1 on April 14, 2026, 09:06:49 AMQuote from: Balor/SS1535 on April 12, 2026, 07:18:40 PMI don't think there is any "wrong" music to sample in noise/industrial, but I do think there can be "wrong" contexts to sample anything. For me, this is less a thematic point, than a question of whether the given song sample upsets the overall tone/sound/atmosphere/etc. of the recording. Hypothetically, I can imagine scenarios where any music could be found appropriate.
This.
Sample The Carpenters or Bee Gees in a Noise Epic if it works! 😂
Hasn't Gero sampled some Muzak type shit? I loved how he did it.
Gero has done this sort of stuff all the time---and it worked!
(I might steal that Bee Gees idea...)
This reminds me of when Stimbox was poking fun in regards to Oscillating Innards' use of "piano interludes" between cuts of HN stuff. I dont recall much if any HN stuff that would cut to brief melodic bits before this? I personally liked the contrast of it. Emil Beaulieau Has A Relapse might be in the vein of this discussion and I personally liked that, too. Indeed, overt sample use with minimal other work / processing involved does strike me as a bit like a cop-out / low effort, though.
If it works sample what ever the fuck you want... context and composition will determine is quality.
Wasn't it slayer used on Hatesville?
Funny to see a topic that started out of a discussion I was directly involved in. As far as my own work, I can imagine what the samples people disliked on the last CD release were not so cheaply pasted in, but rather forced out of old cassettes. The struggle to make those sounds was about the same process as creating most "noise" on any other release I make would go.
But to speak on sampling in general, I find myself struggling to find an answer. When does a sample stop and plunderphonics begin? Are artists like Emil Beaulieau and John Wiggins really sampling?
Samples feel WRONG when they feel lazy compositionally and thematically. Samples of 20th-century politics on recent albums can feel perfunctory. Non-exotic music samples can work if they fit the context.
Also... things that has been used 2382 times before should be avoided. Jim Jones death tape is a good example... I wonder how many noise/industrial albums contains that speech? We should list them. I think I have heard it used creatively once, as in parts treated and integrated into the music. But just pressing play and drone over it again? Please.
Death Squad's Theological Genocide has it, but it's the intro, so it doesn't feel disruptive, and it fits the album's themes.
There is entire tape comp from Sweden where every artists uses the speech, hah... Mostly it is not done in the obvious ways.
Perhaps that leads to question of sampling "wrong kind of" speeches in general. I am less annoyed by the content, more annoyed about the sound quality or something being too contemporary. Sampling current day political speeches, pretty much instant failure. Not because there would be lack of good speeches to sample from, but generally if it is sounding like you're trying to listen good noise and someone is watching the news from TV... pfff..
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 12, 2026, 06:35:30 PMSampling current day political speeches, pretty much instant failure. Not because there would be lack of good speeches to sample from, but generally if it is sounding like you're trying to listen good noise and someone is watching the news from TV... pfff..
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Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country - and I say this despite all thats happened...The best is yet to come"
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 12, 2026, 06:35:30 PMmore annoyed about the sound quality or something being too contemporary.
So this makes me think of thoughts I have had since 2024. When will the time to sample modern speeches be acceptable? 5-10 years after the fact? Are we just being fed with too many sound clips in the modern age that almost none of them make an impact like speeches of the past? And are sound quality clips too clear in the modern age that they just cannot translate all so well onto a modern noise recording, as opposed to something with the quality of something akin to this Jim Jones tape?
What tends to annoy me about modern speech samples is when they're too on the nose or imply subjects that have been discussed a lot without much insight. They can date the music without detracting from it when used tastefully.
Quote from: k.p.g on May 12, 2026, 07:07:46 PMAre we just being fed with too many sound clips in the modern age that almost none of them make an impact like speeches of the past?
Simplistic as it is, I'd be happy to sign off as this as pretty much the whole thing. Media has drastically changed over the last decade and a half, and noise boys might want to find some new tricks if they're genuinely invested in making a point about what they're doing. I don't care if it's packaged in a nice cassette and layered with cool sounds - I've seen the youtube video you used for that sample and so has everybody else.
Back to the original thrust of this thread, I'm currently listening to
Veprisuicida-
La Rivoluzione Stereosadista (off the back of your 'now playing' comments, I might add!) and some very identifiable slabs of
Pantera's
Fucking Hostile are evident in one particular passage. I can say that there is some pretty interesting cut up and looped usage of the material here, and of course caveats are due for the time and context of its creation, but even at the best imaginable presentation of source material, there is never going to be a time in my life I need to hear that shitty song cropping up in an otherwise perfectly serviceable and engaging experimental music.
The first thing this thread made me think about is a Con-Dom track (can't remember which, sorry) which appears to just be a very blown out, saturated run through a track off
King Crimson's Red. Amused me no end when I first heard it and even with all the respect and love I have for the project (and again, the understanding I have of differences in time and place) I can't help but hear it as a mildly silly outlier in the wider context of his conceptual ideas and their fantastic execution.
Oh yes. People tend to say that back in the day, people went to internet to escape the reality and now people go to reality to escape internet.
The feeling that the youtube and social media feeds are flooding also into noise tape or LP.. kind of annoying.
Con-Dom sampling King Crimson, not bad. What about Ice-T colors .. colors... colors.. haha! Of course it is fitting and thematic usage, but still today there are couple finds who start chanting "colors .. colors... colors" if this album of Con-Dom is being discussed.