Looking for some more noise/PE from shaved-heads out there. I'm already a huge XE and Streicher fan, wanting to hear some more sounds of the "88" variety. Normally I'm not so into so-called "traditional" skinhead stuff, but I suppose my ears are open. Mr. Markulla and Mr. Wertham will probably agree that there needs to be more skins out there making quality noise/PE.
Are you after a "Oi" version of industrial music or are you interested in racially conscious artists..or just street thug noise?
Quote from: Peterson on August 31, 2011, 07:24:39 PM
Looking for some more noise/PE from shaved-heads out there. I'm already a huge XE and Streicher fan, wanting to hear some more sounds of the "88" variety. Normally I'm not so into so-called "traditional" skinhead stuff, but I suppose my ears are open. Mr. Markulla and Mr. Wertham will probably agree that there needs to be more skins out there making quality noise/PE.
Terre Blanche:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Terre+Blanche
I've had a cleanshaven head for longer than I can remember & have had only one person make an idiotic comment: "Kojak-looking motherfucker". It was a white guy in a whitetrash bar & I had just walked through the door.
TerreBlanche most definitely was not a skinhead.
My fave is Organized Resistance. That cd has everything that I liked about most of TriState Terror's releases.
Quote from: Peterson on August 31, 2011, 11:32:00 PM
TriState Terror is awesome. Mudoven remains some of the best WP punk the US has to offer.
Are the vocals in Organized Resistance the same as the delivery of Brethren? I like what he has to say but his vocal style reminds me of tough-guy hardcore too much.
My town has tons of spics and yuppies in all the bars. Not an easy place to stick out like a sore thumb.
Aren't the majority of the yuppies white?
it not because someone is white that he is right that like anything ...
i played drum on the first Vinland Warriors cd free your spirit then they hated black metal so when i showed my new power electronics tattoo it the same letter that the taint interview on freak animal writen on me they was like what !!! time changed some do like black metal but i have never meet a skin who like noise or pe be it red or wp and there many skin right now in quebec i like many skin bands will never forget when i buyed my first skrewdriver lp in 89 it was after the fire
BEREFT (http://www.myspace.com/bereft73) (latest release is a split LP on Existence Establishment (http://existest.org/ee_v3/))
(http://www.existest.org/ee_v3/wp-content/uploads/images/events/promo_photos/bereft.jpg)
RU-486 (http://www.myspace.com/ru486noise)
(http://existest.org/ee_v3/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/june_2011-053.jpg)
BEREFT for sure.
RU's material is mainly sexually based, so I'm not sure if you can count it. Still good though.
Revolutionary Command (great LP, wish there was more material)
The new KOUFAR is brilliant, and as Mack said, taking this sort of direction with a new spin. Power, just not "white" power.
I'm sure there is plenty more. i'm just drawing a blank.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 31, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
I've had a cleanshaven head for longer than I can remember & have had only one person make an idiotic comment: "Kojak-looking motherfucker". It was a white guy in a whitetrash bar & I had just walked through the door.
TerreBlanche most definitely was not a skinhead.
My fave is Organized Resistance. That cd has everything that I liked about most of TriState Terror's releases.
Seems that they have tried to be Skinheads after all
(http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-154726-1190268539.jpeg)
We(bereft) are absolutely under this category. The tape on destructive Industries and the lp split with Fire in the head are perfect examples of this.
I see a red X but I'm guessing it's a pic of Terre Blanche? M.Sanderson was the mastermind behind TB & AWB Recording. He didn't exist & the guy who was responsible had long hair. I corresponded with both of 'them'... Later someone told me what was up. I was new to everything so had no reason to suspect anything.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 01, 2011, 09:19:53 PM
I see a red X but I'm guessing it's a pic of Terre Blanche? M.Sanderson was the mastermind behind TB & AWB Recording. He didn't exist & the guy who was responsible had long hair. I corresponded with both of 'them'... Later someone told me what was up. I was new to everything so had no reason to suspect anything.
Thats why i wrote, that it seem "they"/"he" tried it. Wouldn_t be the First one already who take such actions. But after all it fits to the Tread i think ;)
To Mr. Peterson:
"I guess some people consider WP metalheads with long hair to be skinheads because of their politics"
Not really, for that you have issues like "NSBM" "NS Metal" "Nazi Metal" or "Conservative Punk" "Nazi Punk" or or or.
For the Tread:
Robert X Patriot should be Interesting then.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Robert+X.+Patriot
Since Robert X Patriot is Robert Heick (or better known as Bob), founder of the American Front and Friend of Boyd Rice, it should fit.
I think it's Robt X Patriot on the "Why Terrorists Kill" comp that is the best damn thing on that compilation.
I just have a shaved head. Definitely not a skinhead.
yeah drugs suck and too much drinks is not much better ...
Genocide Lolita awesome power electronics i know Justin he is not a skin but he is wp
Control Resistance fucking good power electronics do not know if they are skin but of course they are wp
there must be other one too ?
Quote from: Bereft on September 01, 2011, 05:29:29 PM
We(bereft) are absolutely under this category. The tape on destructive Industries and the lp split with Fire in the head are perfect examples of this.
I was debating whether to say FITH as well, since Mike definitely has roots in skinhead culture.
I guess it would need to be defined better what exactly would be qualified. If whoever, who may have listened skinhead rock, or whatever project who may have played tracks where themes cross the interests of some skinheads somewhere, I guess just about every PE band qualifies?
From top of my head, I can even name bunch of bands playing cover songs a'la Halthan doing No Remorse, Grunt doing Sniper, Bizarre Uproar and Sick Seed doing Skrewdriver, just to mention some finn provocateurs. And still I don't think the bands really qualify as skinhead noise really? Even if some of the people don't have hair - due their own or mother natures' choice. :D
Most same guys who have "roots in skinhead culture", appear to have roots in punk. Or metal. And roots in whatever. If one wants to talk specifics, cases would have to be rather obvious. Most of ideals of skins are just pretty common ideals of any man. So when the regular male themes of noise turns into "skinhead theme"? I think it needs to have blatant in your face declaration of this fact. And those bands are pretty rare. I don't think one really needs skinhead noise. Just like one for sure doesn't need "black noise". Those themes already exists in PE/noise without new subgenre.
When we get in this direction, easiest would be to Consider Skinhead P:E who have Skinhead Lyrics, like Streicher. But the Tread should be in common about Skinhead Attitude and Image, not about Skinhead Music in P:E Variation if i get it right, so it is not really important if the guys behind it are Skinheads in the Common Way. Also it is Problematic since even from Town to Town the real Skin Scene are totaly Different. So besides the not too much Hair on the Head Image, there is not too much in common in these Scene
Also good to remember that the word skinhead is not tied to any specific political view a priori.
We all know that the first skins (the trad skins) were, indeed, far from being (gasp) "racially conscious".
And also the SHARPS
Quote from: UGRA on September 04, 2011, 05:23:39 AM
Also good to remember that the word skinhead is not tied to any specific political view a priori.
We all know that the first skins (the trad skins) were, indeed, far from being (gasp) "racially conscious".
gasp?
(http://www.google.de/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://us.gasp.nu/sitespecific/gasp/files/branch-warren-gasp-profile.jpg&sa=X&ei=lGFjToPqJpDIswaK-Y33CQ&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNH6VQIZtNfgUxd5zbIRY-qJwSEZTw)
Quote from: xdementia on September 02, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: Bereft on September 01, 2011, 05:29:29 PM
We(bereft) are absolutely under this category. The tape on destructive Industries and the lp split with Fire in the head are perfect examples of this.
I was debating whether to say FITH as well, since Mike definitely has roots in skinhead culture.
London Underground pass, 1987. Oi! To the T: flight jacket, jeans, 14 hole Oxblood Docs, Fred Perry
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/irukandji_1/London3.jpg)
Anyway, the project was inevitably influenced by various "scenes" I've been involved in over the years but I wouldn't call it "skinhead noise/electronics" (probably wouldn't even call it power electronics).
although I never used the skinhead tag, I had strong bonds with the oi! scene. mostly trad one, but with acquaintancies both in the left and the right minded ones.
I sang for Erode that, after I left, became an icon of Italian left wing skinheads, yet respected by all since the openly violent lyrics (and technical skills).
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTjUMrZJ5uA) -it is not me singing, this is when they became "good" after I left, my voice sucked, check also for stalingardo and europa.
I collaborated with other oi* projects and I still consider old school OI /real punk probably the best music ever.
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I have grown up listening to Nabat, 4 skins, Blitz, Condemned 84, Cocl Sparrer, combat 84, criminal class, last resort, springtoifel, bhoese onkels, evil skins, and many japanese (my favourite in the recent days) and US of Oi! era bands.
I never considered myself a skinhead mostly because I don't drink, I am not that obsessed with football, and I have always enjoyed being in contact with several "scenes", which I still do although this pisses off people who now spend their lives as internet warriors.
what I have always enjoyed was the self-myth and street credibility that made the difference from rich kids playing alternatives in other scenes. street realism and confrontational attitude, mixed with pride for what represented you (be it street, gang, etc).
One of my best friends sings in asociale, old school late 80's/eraly 90's band which I helped forming although I didn't play much with unfortunately (which is good since I was a very bad bass player back then).
Sooner or later I'd like to release a 7" with some OI! songs written in the mid 90's that I never released, something in between French OI, cock sparrer and pure Italian 80's OI with plenty of barbaric singalongs.
I am also considering to record a 7" inspired by original skinhead culture as wertham, dealing mostly with ultra violent clashes in the streets, hooliganism etc, as a follow up to the streetcleaner 7" about sxe. It could be part of a trilogy to be completed with a confederacy of scum inspired work.
I am not interested in WP related subjects since I met far more despisable white trash people around than decent folks, including chavs, yobs and those who love hunting us from the safety of their desktop. Yet many early day rac bands were really good musicwise, especially in france and germany.
So this is not technically skinhead noise but I am willing to do a serious tape trade with anyone willing to dub me Terre Blanche - They Kill Their Own
will reciprocate and make it worth your while
I want that tape so fucking bad.
* I am definitely into the music and aesthetic presence of acts such as Streicher, BEREFT, RU-486, Brethren.
I am interested in the idea that these bands aren't even overtly racist at all but very extreme political commentary.
Definitely listened to Skrewdriver tons in high school and my roommate has the Skrewdriver boxset, will post a pic if anyone wants..
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 02, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
I guess it would need to be defined better what exactly would be qualified. If whoever, who may have listened skinhead rock, or whatever project who may have played tracks where themes cross the interests of some skinheads somewhere, I guess just about every PE band qualifies?
From top of my head, I can even name bunch of bands playing cover songs a'la Halthan doing No Remorse, Grunt doing Sniper, Bizarre Uproar and Sick Seed doing Skrewdriver, just to mention some finn provocateurs. And still I don't think the bands really qualify as skinhead noise really? Even if some of the people don't have hair - due their own or mother natures' choice. :D
Most same guys who have "roots in skinhead culture", appear to have roots in punk. Or metal. And roots in whatever. If one wants to talk specifics, cases would have to be rather obvious. Most of ideals of skins are just pretty common ideals of any man. So when the regular male themes of noise turns into "skinhead theme"? I think it needs to have blatant in your face declaration of this fact. And those bands are pretty rare. I don't think one really needs skinhead noise. Just like one for sure doesn't need "black noise". Those themes already exists in PE/noise without new subgenre.
I would think the better question is, who is doing pe that continues to live a skinhead lifestyle. Obviously this will influence their output. This by no way means we need a new sub genre of a already diluted pool, but it does lend to a way to separate it from the other topics pe may encompass. I personally would have more in common with someone "yelling" about drinking, fighting and being blue collar than pedophilia or sexual deviance.
Doing covers of "rac" songs doesn't make one in this category, since this is a lifestyle, not a copyright issue;)
Heh, I recall when that Montage dude tried to flog the last Sickness/Slogun JP tour as "skinhead noise" or somesuch shite... as a kind of marketing ploy. The artists themselves seemed mildly bemused/irritated by the implication; guess the one or two locals who took the poster campaign to heart were disappointed too that the "fighting monkies" failed to deliver. Better luck next time!
Nothing beats the local black van brigade when they whirl around the municipalities belting out patriotic hits. Sounds pretty awesome. Like they've got an old 45 strapped to the van, songs beautifully warped by the ages horribly distorted through the crap-ass amps and echoing ridiculously amongst the close-cropped architecture. If I weren't so chicken shit, re- getting my ass whooped and dumpstered I'd invite them to play a pe/noise gig.
All Subgenre are dead in the sense of Isolated Subcultur. There is no "Skinhead Cult Scene" anymore. There is also no Noise, Punk, Metal, Black Metal, Industrial Scene anymore. So it would be only a collection of some Individuals who run in a Direction, which is just Entertainment for the Followers.
I don't think that there is anymore need for more subsubsubgenre's as we have so much of them now and the intention failed by all of them.
I'm sure someone has mentioned American Wolves tape "Lone Wolves, Boot Parties" by now. If they haven't then this thread is fucking crazy. This tape is pretty hard to find but I think that Steel Sadist Rebirth is doing a re-issue or maybe they already did one? This is just one of the best American P.E. acts and they're Skin's so it is win/win for this thread.
Quote from: RyanWreck on September 30, 2011, 07:59:51 PM
I'm sure someone has mentioned American Wolves tape "Lone Wolves, Boot Parties" by now. If they haven't then this thread is fucking crazy. This tape is pretty hard to find but I think that Steel Sadist Rebirth is doing a re-issue or maybe they already did one? This is just one of the best American P.E. acts and they're Skin's so it is win/win for this thread.
this tape has a strong breathing problem/country club vibe to it. wall feedback vocals on Aside loop and sample on B.
I got this book its very good introductory reading
http://books.google.com/books?id=DI9PZSWuRhkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=american+skinheads+books&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GkSIT_-FIqamiQL5pLH5Cg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=american%20skinheads%20books&f=false
Hmm, gonna check that out. I've never read a book on Skin's from a criminologist's POV. I was a fan of Richard Allen when I was young, like middle school young, and a skinhead myself. I did a book report on his book "Knuckle Girls", my Freshman year of high-school
Skinhead family tree: http://www.skinheadrevolt.com/content/info/img/tree.html
Utterly shameless self promo, but you guys want some more skin in your PE?
Just did this release: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2162.0
Oi! 1990(?)
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/irukandji_1/cbgb.jpg)
Quote from: Peterson on September 01, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
Quote from: whateverforever on September 01, 2011, 01:08:23 AM
Quote from: Peterson on August 31, 2011, 11:32:00 PM
TriState Terror is awesome. Mudoven remains some of the best WP punk the US has to offer.
Are the vocals in Organized Resistance the same as the delivery of Brethren? I like what he has to say but his vocal style reminds me of tough-guy hardcore too much.
My town has tons of spics and yuppies in all the bars. Not an easy place to stick out like a sore thumb.
Aren't the majority of the yuppies white?
Yes, but in a liberal-democratic society, or at least one with the facade of one, such as America, white people often feel the need to stick up for what they perceive as "minorities" in the name of bettering the community, you've got to remember. I live in a place where if you seem different, even in a non-threatening or non-Gay way, you're seen as one. The rednecks and suburban whites here are so dumb and closed-minded that they will start a fight with you if they think you don't listen to hip-hop but they will also say things like "Fuck stingy-ass Niggers."
As far as the music goes, I will definitely check out Bereft and possibly Koufar. I'd be interested to see another races' take on the issue of racial purity, I have some deep respect for the way some other non-European cultures have dealt with this. Keep the suggestions coming as you think of . Bereft, care to link me to any information that can sum up your ideals and goals with the project for me?
case in point, ICP fans. they're like a plague out here in northeastern ohio. most are racist as fuck, and won't listen to actual Afro-American hip hop, but stuff like grind, BM, noise, is well, just "noise" to them.
Anne Frankly, I'm sick of the overabundance of this new crowd of Electric Wizard-worship trendfucks bringing gentrification to this town. here you're either (if you're white), a juggalo, a maggot, a douchebag or a hipster. there's so many of those faggots I've love to choke with their scarves that they wear in even in warm weather.
i'm a skinhead but i don't believe in white power. you might like this either way:
i use the name Uniform Fasces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w56Rms1L2io
Listened to a handful of Uniform Fasces tracks and couldn't really get into it. It doesn't seem like much is going into the tracks, a bit too flat with little atmospheric presence or moods like its "uni-instrumental" which may be a bad term to use within this style, but maybe that's what you want though? Most electronic Drone or Ambient is difficult to pull off though and I'm not the best judge of those types of things, just not my cup of tea.
Quote from: RyanWreck on July 14, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Listened to a handful of Uniform Fasces tracks and couldn't really get into it. It doesn't seem like much is going into the tracks, a bit too flat with little atmospheric presence or moods like its "uni-instrumental" which may be a bad term to use within this style, but maybe that's what you want though? Most electronic Drone or Ambient is difficult to pull off though and I'm not the best judge of those types of things, just not my cup of tea.
No worries, I appreciate that you took a listen. There'll be different styles in the future, so maybe you'll find some of it enjoyable. Thanks again for listening.
Quote from: RyanWreck on April 13, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
Skinhead family tree: http://www.skinheadrevolt.com/content/info/img/tree.html
funny
A very nice Streicher interview here:
http://recordsreverse.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/interview-with-ulex-xane-streicher/ (http://recordsreverse.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/interview-with-ulex-xane-streicher/)