This is not so much in relation to PE and industrial as it is to noise noise. I'm curious to hear people's opinions on taking drugs, getting drunk while enjoying noise. This is under the assumption that you enjoy this sonic bliss alone, which I know for many of you is not the case (I wonder what it is like to be chillin' whichya boyz to Incapacitants, etc?). I am by no means a veteran listener, but my first epiphany came under the influence of Ahlzagailzehguh's "Black Destination" in 2005; alone, hammered on Labrott & Graham's Woodford Reserve Bourbon with a few bowls of homemade hash. It would be in bad taste, as I don't have much literary flair, to describe the experience. It was simply an "Ah hah!!" moment to say the least. It's been without looking back since that moment. Noise is something I indulge in from morning to night. Typically sober. But, it came to mind as I wander here at my all-alone night-shift warehouse job, having just polished off the remainder of my Bulleit Rye, that someone here on the board, and elsewhere, is half deep too, by whatever intoxicant. This curiosity will probably bother many of you - so be it. I've lived my life, relatively alone in rural Pennsy and have no companions in noise , save my girlfriend who basically only enjoys "Sex Sick" and "Savage Inequalities".
Blah, my point is, what is your association in this sense? Have a favorite combo? I'm in the midst of the "Nitro Dragsters" comp and all is well. Although I don't think the experience of noise in always enhanced by drink and drugs, but there are of course artists that seem ideal for the buzz. Say, for instance, Macronympha, in all their Fear-and-Loathing-style glory.
I approve of both.
no drugs for me since about 5 years ago and i alway listen to noise when i'm sober not drunk ...
at home, allways sober.....i tend to drink (a lot) at gigs, more social drinking, not noise-related....unless fueled by excitemend to see/hear a certain act.
did some pot long time ago, perfect for Hybryds live-action. Chill, nice visuals.
other people on harddrugs (talking about txc, speed, etc.....users of those frequently claim alcohol is worse) tend to irritate me, all that fast-fast waaaay too social paranoid crap.
When I used to be addicted to Heroin and Oxy Power Electronics sounded great, when I was dope sick I hated any type of Noise/PE/Industrial, it made it way worse. I was trying to make something that made me feel like the way I did sitting in jail dope-sick but I could never find any sound that came close to creating that type of anxiety, nauseated restlessness.
Now a days I pretty much drink once every blue moon, or maybe take some morphine if someone has it and every couple months I buy a guys Xanax bars and Valium from him for $60 (120 pills) and that lasts me a few weeks. With all that I am still the cleanest I have ever been in the last 12-13 years.
Mildly buzzed from beer is my favourite state for live shows. Makes it easier to drop everything else and just get into the music, while still "being there" and experiencing it "as it is". I smoked a whole bunch of weed before an IRM gig a while back and while I had a pretty nice time, I think my experience came more from the drug and less from the music. I felt kind of detached, in hindsight I would rather have seen that performance unstoned.
Getting really pissed can be nice too of course, but then you usually focus more on the social factor, feeling of excitement and "party atmosphere" than all the different subtle aspects of the music...
Apparently certain people had some fun on ecstasy during the Broken Flag fest, I wasn't there. Someone I know did speed at a Sleep concert once, that probably wasn't such a good idea.
"save my girlfriend who basically only enjoys "Sex Sick" and "Savage Inequalities". "
Seriously?!?
Quote from: P-K on June 27, 2012, 05:13:15 PM
other people on harddrugs (talking about txc, speed, etc.....users of those frequently claim alcohol is worse) tend to irritate me, all that fast-fast waaaay too social paranoid crap.
Couldn't even imagine the experience, but yes, people on those hype-up drugs usually need a fist to slow down. Not for noise I imagine...or perhaps only for art fag improv noise
Quote from: RyanWreck on June 27, 2012, 05:16:32 PM
I was trying to make something that made me feel like the way I did sitting in jail dope-sick but I could never find any sound that came close to creating that type of anxiety, nauseated restlessness.
I find this interesting. Maybe that is too difficult to achieve once noise actually becomes something tangible. I know early on, I had no sense of noise (including any of it's derivatives and vice versa) as a structural form. I remember reading some zine reviews and thinking how odd it seemed that it was discussed very similarly to a metal band. Especially when it came to making associations to progress and/or other artists. Never been dope sick, but I've seen one of my best friend nearly die and now fade out into a lonely zombie. Saw my other best friend lose it all, almost die 3 times and is just finishing the end of a 5 year maximum security sentence. Send him tapes frequently, including the first noise/PE/industrial one a few weeks ago - very curious to hear his thoughts. Anyway, I do agree, the true, deep anxiety of life cannot be simulated.
Quote from: hsv on June 27, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
I think my experience came more from the drug and less from the music. I felt kind of detached, in hindsight I would rather have seen that performance unstoned.
I definitely agree in this aspect. I tend to watch shows with nothing more than a buzz too. In general, intoxication and music remain in the bedroom (and obviously at work). When I'm hammer drunk at shows or with others, the music is usually rock & roll cover bands ar local bars and MCs or something that is really just party tunes meant to be forgotten or hummed later.
Quote from: hsv on June 27, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Someone I know did speed at a Sleep concert once, that probably wasn't such a good idea.
Only weed is real.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 27, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
"save my girlfriend who basically only enjoys "Sex Sick" and "Savage Inequalities". "
Seriously?!?
Well, we are both racist to a degree (although I don't romanticize whites either or conceive of a ZOG conspiracy), stuck between Allentown 30 miles NE (overpopulated by blacks and Latinos) and Reading 30 miles SW (ditto, and the highest murder and poverty rates in US), so that should explain Brethren. There may also be a healthy gagging fascination between the two of us. And in relation to Ryan's thoughts above, shrill ear-ringing is probably pretty close to the sensation of having a clock held in the back of your throat till nearly puking. So, thank you for that album.
Ahem, cock...but a clock wouldn't probably be even better.
Harsh noise/p.e. is not exactly party music, except maybe old Whitehouse, but i always found pleasure in listening to it while drinking. I guess it goes for all kinds of music.
I don't do drugs, nor alchol, but after 11 I get sleepy and look as if I am both drunk and doped. Might be the price of aging.
There were some Straight Edgers in Phoenix who I used to hang out with and they had the best parties ever, tons of fucking great food every single time, I'm talking like enough to feed an army of all different shit from BBQ and Mexican food to Vegan stuff, I wish they still had those parties. They didn't ever care that I brought a beer with me the first time I went there (out of respect I didn't drink there after that) or if I smoked in the garage. There was a show a few years back and I guess some scene kid was going around asking for coke or speed and asked a group of these guys and they said they had some in their car to sell him. So he followed to their car and they beat the shit out of him and cut his nose off with a straight razor. Some doctors re-attached it but it still looks like complete shit. 2 of them got 4 years in prison for it which isn't bad at all considering what they did. I thought it was pretty awesome.
ive discovered that the only way i can appreciate wall noise is if i'm stoned. kinda gets you lost in the sound.
recently got off the wagon (again) and have been enjoying it. I'll do most any drug save a few as long as I know who I'm buying from.
Never found the necessity to combine the two, and I enjoy both music and drugs a lot. I have brought the two together on enough occasions, but it goes situation to situation. One isn't a requirement for the other.
Perspectives. There are a lot of them. I've swam psychedelic eddies, pools, and rapids with an unadulterated mind with every bit the fantastic result as I have with beautiful hallucinogens. The day I have to have one to find the other, I'm conceding a failure.
I have tried a good many drugs. Not too big on them, though.
QuoteI have heard of noise projects being mostly surrounded around marijuana
Jah Excretion = Japanese harsh noise devoted to weed themes. It's an extremely bizarre mix but the sounds are good
When I am recording music I like to concentrate hard and use only caffeine and nicotine.
As part of live performance with Smell & Quim at maybe 10 or 12 shows since the mid-90s I can honestly say I have never been more drunk in my life than these occasions. We've taken to the stage barely able to stand, launched empty bottles at the crowd, stripped, sexually attacked crowd members in drunken ineffectual ways, fallen over, trashed our equipment, lit fires, stopped festivals, been a nightmare for venue after venue after promoter. And then moaned about not getting more bookings. It's Milovan's baby, I'm just there to help out, boy oh boy it's been fun.
Performing a couple of shows with my main (not noise) band on the experimental Shulgin chemical 2CE was...interesting. Have done shows on LSD, speed, mephedrone before. Usually just a few drinks though, unless it's S&Q when it's ALL the drinks.
EDIT duh I didn't read the topic properly. For listening to noise rather than making it, caffeine is best.
Quote from: Peterson on June 27, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
have heard of noise projects being mostly surrounded around marijuana use and I always think to myself "why don't you leave that to Electric Wizard?"
Hahaha. I like this, I'll have to quote you some time on that.
I hate weed, I couldn't imagine creating anything constructive or worthwhile if I was stoned.
Haven't touched drugs for a good while - I smoke tobacco and drink alcohol occasionally and coffee by the bucket, and am aware that these are drugs yes - not something I miss, but not something I am offended by if others want to take, I'm just indifferent to the experience these days so there is no desire from me to combine noise with drugs for my personal listening. I don't listen to noise/P.E. with others so there is no social drug-taking potential either.
Quote from: andy vomit on June 27, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
ive discovered that the only way i can appreciate wall noise is if i'm stoned. kinda gets you lost in the sound.
I agree with Andy.
That weak willed weed shit is my absolute favorite, wish i could kick it to the curb, but it remains a necessity for noise/life.
LSD is good too, for the brain.
Caffeine has also somehow become indispensable.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 27, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
"save my girlfriend who basically only enjoys "Sex Sick" and "Savage Inequalities". "
Seriously?!?
You have to get "blinding drunk to endure dissection"
Quote from: andy vomit on June 27, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
ive discovered that the only way i can appreciate wall noise is if i'm stoned. kinda gets you lost in the sound.
Always thought "Triumph of the Broken Will" had an extra umph after a nice joint. Cosmic indeed.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 27, 2012, 11:16:00 PM
One isn't a requirement for the other.
The day I have to have one to find the other, I'm conceding a failure.
Certainly agree. Wasn't coming at this with an Electric Wizard fan perspective, hehe. Just a curiosity. Again, I like noise best sober.
Quote from: RyanWreck on June 27, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
...they beat the shit out of him and cut his nose off with a straight razor. Some doctors re-attached it but it still looks like complete shit. 2 of them got 4 years in prison for it which isn't bad at all considering what they did. I thought it was pretty awesome.
Class. Sometimes I wonder about kids like this, and some animal lib ones, who at the height of youth-based cliquish-ness are willing to go to such extremes. Where do they stand later? I know a few ALF kids who are run-of-the-mill McDonalds eaters now.
Quote from: Peterson on June 27, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
...you have to hang around too many losers/scum to get to the drugs.
And so I've enjoyed only homegrown for the last few years.
Quote from: Peterson on June 27, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
...sobriety is important to me to "truly" absorb what's getting across on any release.
Absolutely. While at certain times I've had a peak experience leading to a connection, it is not something that can be recreated.
Quote from: Peterson on June 27, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
At times, the typical alcoholic band, or doper band, or pot-smoker band, just rubs me the wrong way.
Can't stand it.
And yes, LSD
is good for the brain.
Personally I like to be at my full senses when performing. I enjoy the level of concentration and adrenaline before and during a show. So, in a performing context I feel stuff I might swallow create a non-desired filter on proceedings and output... ...After gigs though, as long as a tour is not in works it is Scandinavian-hedonistic-drunk-time: Totally fucked up, laced out, a life wasted. I don't feel noise gigs to be parties per se. For me it is more like common cathartic communion, involving all initiatives people have posted in this thread. Everything goes, as long as you don't steal my beer.
Quote from: tisbor on June 27, 2012, 08:19:04 PM
Harsh noise/p.e. is not exactly party music, except maybe old Whitehouse, but i always found pleasure in listening to it while drinking. I guess it goes for all kinds of music.
True Tisbor, agree. In addition to Whitehouse I'd like to add S.t.a.b. electronics' "Female" to the loud-ass-fuck-party-music-list!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssl33NX_tmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssl33NX_tmo)
I guess for me it has gotten to the point where if I go to noise show without beer, I'll still taste it in my mouth like Pavlov's dog. I don't know how it got that way, almost nothing else in my life makes me want to drink, but I just feel awkward without it most of the time until the actual show starts. when i really look forward to an act though i try to absorb all of it with sober senses.
Here, whenever the show is at a house it automatically turns into what a party is: consumption of alcohol and weed/drugs with rooms filled with people. In other settings its not quite the same, even in most bars it does not have same security of feeling like you can let go.
I hate being drunk while I perform, though right afterwards it is amazing if I can sustain the endorphin release after takedown.
As for LSD I remember my friend taking quite a bit of it at no fun fest one year and stayed outside at the smoking area of the hook, thinking he was inside the watching the show the entire time, and refused to go in when I tried to make him see something worth while. That whole experience makes me unenthusiastic about taking any hallucinogens to enjoy some other activity, they are their own activity really.
I definitely love noise when I have sleep deprivation for some reason, most of my best recordings are at 4 in the morning or have gotten no sleep for the past 24 hours. Maybe its easier for me to be euphoric in that condition or maybe I am under a manic state the entire time.
Quote from: RyanWreck on June 28, 2012, 01:16:18 AM
I hate weed, I couldn't imagine creating anything constructive or worthwhile if I was stoned.
You may have the ideas but don't feel motivated to do anything with them, for the most part. It's the hardcore stoners who smoke every waking minute just to feel normal who can get things done, but usually things that don't need to get done.
I am generally more into PE and industrial than pure noise. I do however enjoy harsh noise live, and sometimes at home. In my mind drugs mixed with these genres are an excellent opportunity to reach a higher level of experience (as in -something I can hardly acchieve sober or simply drunk, even though the cathartic qualities of extreme volume, extreme sound, intense live performance CAN be enough as well) but something I've quit doing to substitute drinking at shows.
I would generally prefer LSD or even more, mushrooms while experiencing these genres, as I think it bringhs out the full potential of experiencing sound at surreal levels. For me at least. Sometimes the energy can become too much and result in a bad trip but in some ways that's even better, as the bad ones tend to be more memoreable than the light, joyous ones. Now I'm more into experiencing good music just drunk or almost sober, but I do think the experiences of hallucinogenic drugs (weed is also excellent for music in my opinion) has improved my ability to listen and appreciate sound and music in general, and very much influenced the way I make music myself, as well as giving me some of the most intense moments of my life.
Quote from: RyanWreck on June 28, 2012, 01:16:18 AM
I hate weed, I couldn't imagine creating anything constructive or worthwhile if I was stoned.
I wouldn't take anything while recording. It just fucks up my technical skills so I'd fail miserably with mny equipment. I really can't see the point of losing control over the creative process at all. I do drink beer while recording or rehearsing vocals. For some reason I can't do vocals without drinking, most of the times (ritual I suppose). However I prefer the swedish less than strong kinds of 2,8 or 3,5% which definitely won't fuck up the process.
When I play live I avoid drinking more than a few beers while playing. In the beginning I used to get really drunk and the result was atrocious. I really can't see the point of making yourself unable to perform according to plan. Sometimes, I let this slip due to circumstances but as a rule, no.
I pretty much never drink/take drugs when recording at home, however when playing live I like to get mildly buzzed, the right amount can help me totally forget the audience is there and immerse myself in it easier whilst still maintaining total control.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 27, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
"save my girlfriend who basically only enjoys "Sex Sick" and "Savage Inequalities". "
Seriously?!?
i did think the same
Smoking a little bud and listening to music go together like peanut butter and jelly. However, when I'm stoned I usually prefer something with standard guitar/bass/drums/vocals, so I don't often reach for the noise/pe after smoking. It's ok once in a while, but I prefer noise/pe while sober mostly.
Alcohol and noise don't mix well for me at all. Makes me nauseous.
ive only recordead noise intoxicated,(recording,mixing,artwork) everything under the influence of this and that.
never drunk though.
As I was reminded this morning, after work, pinner rolled - I always enjoy(ed) Control's work under the influence. Algolagnia was my personal choice. Appropriately followed up with Macronympha's Bulk Density; dozing off into sleep very satisfied.
"hurhur, when I recorded that release/listened to such n such I did soooo much drugs, cool huh?"
square
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on July 04, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
"hurhur, when I recorded that release/listened to such n such I did soooo much drugs, cool huh?"
If that's the attitude, not really very cool. I don't find an interest in doing hard drugs, while listening to/doing anything, but since marijuana is undoubtedly linked to opening up deeper levels of thought, especially after intentional direction to do such a thing, I still find a curiosity in people's opinions and experiences. Sitting down, all obligations for the day passed, imbibing in whatever it is that you prefer, and doing nothing but listening on a thicker level is actually very productive. New sounds, rhythms, intentions, and more begin to appear. Thought patterns emerge that were otherwise not possible beforehand. This can lead to creative, reflection, etc.
This can, of course, be achieved in sobriety, which is why I still listen to most music sober - don't really have a choice with family and work. Nonetheless, there is
always hidden levels to be found in (certain) intoxications. Shamanism is beyond daily tasks, but a remnant of it exists in plant pharmacology. In the modern day, this is greatly shunned - a letting go of reality is anything but a positive thing. Obviously there's a divide in the board amongst, "yeah, I do, it's nice" and "drugs are stupid, I don't do them!"
I was mostly curious in hearing about experiences, but since I never said that, and never really described my own...I get what I asked for. We're talking about something potentially volatile here, since there are so many stereotypes wrapped around drug use (and abuse). To just smoke grass as a self-imposed addiction is boring. To drink aplenty because of addiction (guilty) is boring. To shoot up because of addiction is boring. Ad infinitum.
Perhaps I should make an account on Erowid.com or something haha, but I don't think I'll be able to get outside of the boundaries of Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Tenacious D, etc...
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on July 04, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
"hurhur, when I recorded that release/listened to such n such I did soooo much drugs, cool huh?"
yarrrr yarrrr you youngsters with you reeffer cigarettes and your uppers and your downers.
when we was young we chewed rocks and were glad of it.
I record so rarely that I like to make it special. I dont know if I could handle the same tempo of putting out tapes as some of these other guys.
edit_ __ when I started going to gigs here in finland I was suprised about the lack of any kind of drug culture. I dont remeber smelling the devils weed at shows or seeing guys falling a sleep( exept a couple of drunkards). where as in other countries especially in the us noise and these things seem to go hand in hand.
Quote from: kettu on July 04, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
...when I started going to gigs here in finland I was suprised about the lack of any kind of drug culture. I dont remeber smelling the devils weed at shows or seeing guys falling a sleep( exept a couple of drunkards). where as in other countries especially in the us noise and these things seem to go hand in hand.
This is certainly true for The States. You can always find it, here in Philly and back in Pittsburgh
especially, at really any venue - house, bar, club, etc. There's typically a way, or people really just don't mind. Never had a problem, or with drinking at supposedly "clean" venues, one just has not to be a dick. Which I understand many, many people are under the influence.
Quote from: eyestrain on July 04, 2012, 12:26:43 AM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on July 04, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
"hurhur, when I recorded that release/listened to such n such I did soooo much drugs, cool huh?"
If that's the attitude, not really very cool. I don't find an interest in doing hard drugs, while listening to/doing anything, but since marijuana is undoubtedly linked to opening up deeper levels of thought, especially after intentional direction to do such a thing, I still find a curiosity in people's opinions and experiences. Sitting down, all obligations for the day passed, imbibing in whatever it is that you prefer, and doing nothing but listening on a thicker level is actually very productive. New sounds, rhythms, intentions, and more begin to appear. Thought patterns emerge that were otherwise not possible beforehand. This can lead to creative, reflection, etc.
This can, of course, be achieved in sobriety, which is why I still listen to most music sober - don't really have a choice with family and work. Nonetheless, there is always hidden levels to be found in (certain) intoxications. Shamanism is beyond daily tasks, but a remnant of it exists in plant pharmacology. In the modern day, this is greatly shunned - a letting go of reality is anything but a positive thing. Obviously there's a divide in the board amongst, "yeah, I do, it's nice" and "drugs are stupid, I don't do them!"
I was mostly curious in hearing about experiences, but since I never said that, and never really described my own...I get what I asked for. We're talking about something potentially volatile here, since there are so many stereotypes wrapped around drug use (and abuse). To just smoke grass as a self-imposed addiction is boring. To drink aplenty because of addiction (guilty) is boring. To shoot up because of addiction is boring. Ad infinitum.
Perhaps I should make an account on Erowid.com or something haha, but I don't think I'll be able to get outside of the boundaries of Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Tenacious D, etc...
I don't doubt your good intentions and you make good points. I could see this thread heading into the "hurhur" territory before the first reply appeared though.
Not sure if it has been said here already but as much as drugs can help expand ones horizons and experiences they can and will more often turn people into weak and passive sacks of shit. I'm not anti drugs personally. I still enjoy them on rare occasions. Having had enough scares at a young age I think I know quite well where my limits are. Many don't and fuck themselves up. Wasted potential, wasted lives. It's their choice in the end. I can understand and maybe even sympathise with personal issues behind. I have no respect for the celebration of the enslavement or destruction of oneself. Society does it to you in several ways already, why hand it to them for free? It's weak. I despise weakness.
So, go ahead and pump yourselves full of all sorts. There will be no symathy from me if/when it goes wrong. The "hurhur aint this cool and rad" is a good place to start that age old journey towards a wasted life.
Quote from: kettu on July 04, 2012, 12:28:48 AMI dont know if I could handle the same tempo of putting out tapes as some of these other guys.
Me too.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on July 04, 2012, 01:04:50 AM
I could see this thread heading into the "hurhur" territory before the first reply appeared though.
Luckily it has not.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on July 04, 2012, 01:04:50 AM
Not sure if it has been said here already but as much as drugs can help expand ones horizons and experiences they can and will more often turn people into weak and passive sacks of shit. It's weak. I despise weakness.
That's fine by all means. As I had mentioned earlier in the thread, I've seen friends of mine fall apart under heroin's destructive influence. Nothing strong, proud, beautiful about it. I glorify it not. My friend who is nearly done with his prison term, post-addiction, has used the message of strength behind (some) PE and black metal acts as a way to channel his thoughts and actions into a more positive place. This, alongside with being full-time back into powerlifting/health has made his recovery and years in jail very productive. He would certainly agree with your statement 100%.
I'm interested in psychedelics' effects on the mind with music's hold wrapped up in there too. Drug glorification is idiotic, and like kettu said above, it can be a distinctly American thing. Which says so much about this country's condition and the condition of it's populace. Perhaps this explains a lot about Americanoise?
Quote from: kettu on July 04, 2012, 12:28:48 AMwhen we was young we chewed rocks and were glad of it.
Føkk sake !!! HE!HE! 'm cracking up! Got tears in my eyes from laughing, sheeeeeett. Fun comment Kettu!
A little buzz helps, but most of the time I record sober. I like to keep my emotions pure rather than have them enhanced/influenced by drugs. Unless we're considering caffeine, but let's not be stupid.
I love listening to music drunk/stoned. Used to smoke weed, but don't anymore. Hooked on pills for a while, but happily done with that shit.
I'll tell you what though, listening to Deathpile's "G.R." while working out by myself at night was one of the most intense/scariest things I've ever experienced.
Quote from: eyestrain on July 04, 2012, 01:27:40 AM
I'm interested in psychedelics' effects on the mind with music's hold wrapped up in there too. Drug glorification is idiotic, and like kettu said above, it can be a distinctly American thing. Which says so much about this country's condition and the condition of it's populace. Perhaps this explains a lot about Americanoise?
I think the rest of the world has it too. But I agree. Though one should make some difference between cultural glorification (from a sleaze perspective) and personal. Also between the glorification of abuse and basic will for experimentation. Glorification or not, it brings things that are not there before you do it, and as with all experiences there are some levels of justification. To a point. Most people grow out of glorification I think after a while, and either quit, get a more relaxed relationship with substances or get fucked for it. Psychedelics are the only one's I've bothered to "glorify" due to its extraordinary effects to perception. But I do not think its anything more than that to it.
Perhaps it is the same as with alcohol glorification (whatever substance). We have all these alcoholic glorifiers too. I can personally find some meaning in expressions of weakness and failure, I do not despise it. Rather I find it more interesting than the concept of strenght a lot of times. In culture and art. In my real life I prefer to avoid it, with varied success...
One time I listened to CCCC and Incapacitants for like 24 hours after having a total breakthrough/melt down mind blowing mystical experience on 5-MEO-AMT and speed and it was the most wonderful thing I have ever experienced. I haven't been able to locate any 5-meo-amt since though. WAY crazier than acid. This little asian girl died taking 4 hits of it I think. The time I did it mentioned above I think I took 5 hits and my tiny girlfriend took 4. Absolute, total insanity.
That's my only drug taking and noise listening story though. Although, I'm always on drugs (caffeine, nicotine, morphine, alcohol, marijuana makes up my usual daily intake, but not crazy amounts or anything), so I guess all my noise listening is done while intoxicated, but that's just normal for me. It would probably be more interesting to try listening to noise sober.
aside from caffeine, nicotine and the occasional alcohol, I do not use drugs. used to, don't have the desire to.
If you need drugs to enjoy records then you're listening to the wrong stuff
I drink but not as pre-requisite for hearing records, just for it's own sake I mean. Doesn't affect my perception of what makes a good record or not
Quote from: no_progress on July 12, 2012, 10:36:57 AM
If you need drugs to enjoy records then you're listening to the wrong stuff
I drink but not as pre-requisite for hearing records, just for it's own sake I mean. Doesn't affect my perception of what makes a good record or not
Couldn't that be said about any kind of music? NEEDING drugs in order to enjoy music is hardly the point for most I suppose. I'm pretty sure most people combining drugs and music does not do it to be able to enjoy music in itself? Rather, the point would be that drugs enhance/distort your senses and that can be very forceful or intense in combination with the right music (I would argue any kind of music really). I'd be having a hard time picturing those who really DO need drugs or alcohol in order to appreciate a good record (while I'm sure they exist, I do think a lot of music sounds better drunk, but that is generally stuff I'm not too keen on while sober)
Quote from: Johann on July 13, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
Quote from: no_progress on July 12, 2012, 10:36:57 AM
If you need drugs to enjoy records then you're listening to the wrong stuff
I drink but not as pre-requisite for hearing records, just for it's own sake I mean. Doesn't affect my perception of what makes a good record or not
maybe rave kids do this...
sounds like you just don't enjoy drugs, or lack experience with them and are forming a generalization based on a bias against them. because reading through this topic i don't see where the conclusion was made that people here take drugs to enjoy records/live acts/etc that they wouldn't otherwise enjoy...
I never said they did, I was just making a general point not directed at anyone in particular. I didn't read through the thread just replied to the first question re- curious to hear people's opinions :)
Quote from: Johann on July 13, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
that being said, i love me some psychedelics....the residents is the most demented sounding thing i have ever listened to on them, totally morphed into something completely different, totally fucking mind blowing almost frightening haha. as far as other noise stuff goes we (my girl and i) listened to Changez by Blockaders and that was total mental confusion, metallic birds chirping and me not knowing what was happening in the apartment or outside hah...however recently, the more i've taken the less i've been into listening to music while tripping, though i still focuses intensely on environmental sound that surrounds me. i think the thing that really changed it for me was about a year ago, i was having kinda a rough time adjusting to Dallas so we split the rest of the batch we had, i took 5 fairly large hits of LSD and laid down, it was the first time (of about 40 times tripping together) we didn't turn on any music of any kind (or lights for that matter, we just lit candles)...i woke up peaking just covered in drool and i could hear my dog licking, just big sloppy amazing wet sounds, we spent the rest of the evening in a field next to the DART (kinda a trolley) tracks just listening to the birds, insects, train and distant air conditioners early into the morning hours...i always loved field recording and environmental sound but it just put it at a different level....to those who have never done psychedelics (and opinion my defer person to person) i always feel it makes the whole environment raise to almost an equal level in your ear, it can be overwhelming, but it is amazing.
regarding recording/performing on it, i've never done it in a live sense, though i feel it'd come more natural than ever (because i feel like in the right situation you become so much more in tune with yourself and the people your playing with) and it's helped me to work through a lot of ideas i was kinda stuck at the beginning of allowing me to develop them by really opening up to other ways of thinking about them.
Thanks for understanding the gist of what I was getting at; transformation via intoxication! Sounds like quite a trip. And this sort of experience
could lead to further developments and experimentation. Even if the power of results are only personal.