what stuff is recommendable, especially from the 80s?
i already know of MAURIZIO BIANCHI. anything else going on that was important?
atrax morgue
Not entirely sure if this is 'death industrial' (these names and genres all confuse me), but some great Italian experimental and violent music of the 1980s would certainly include the output of Mauthausen Orchestra. The original cassettes are up there with Sutcliffe Jugend for brutality and aggression, unforgettable and brilliant material.
From a completely different and quite academic perspective, the music of Giancarlo Toniutti from the 80s straddled modern classical and 'industrial'. I recently picked up the excellent Klanggalerie reissue of the obscure Broken Flag album 'La Mutazione'. Very unusual music which is truly difficult and challenging but rewarding listening.
The artist most similar in sounds to MB from the era is the mysterious Pietro Mazzochin, who worked under numerous names including Observation Clinique and Swastika Kommando, and who is shortly to become the subject of a reissue campaign. I've only heard his output on bootlegs and youtube videos but may well try to pick up some of the reissues. There still seems to be some dispute as to whether, like Maurizio Bianchi, he found religion after his noise adventures.
My favourite MB album is the stunning and just about perfect Morder Unter Uns/Neuro Habitat.
personally I think that Italian projects that fits in the "death industrial" umbrella started in the 90's with Atrax Morgue/Morder Machine, Today I am Dead, Dijin, No light of tomorrow, etc.
Before then there were mostly experimental projects, ritual/ambient, isolationist and power electronics/noise oriented.
In the 80's, until the early 90's, for sure MB, SODALITY, LAXATIVE SOULS, Giancarlo Toniutti, Bruno Cossano, early Ain Soph (although my fave records of them are definitely Kshatrya and Aurora), Sigillum S, Iugula-Thor (their first record THE WHEEL OF THE PROCESS is one of the best of those years and not only in Italy), etc.
If you don't have it already:
Morder Machine - Deathshow
Lupo Di Ghiaccio/Cazzidio. One of the best by far and super underated.
N.
Quote from: Bereft on February 08, 2013, 03:15:02 AM
Lupo Di Ghiaccio/Cazzodio. One of the best by far and super underated.
Agreed. He had some demos/edits tapes that he would send out to labels/friends, and though some of those ideas may have worked their way onto official tracks, they were good enough to be released as-is. It's too bad that his scraps didn't get released.
VESTIGIAL
Quote from: tisbor on February 08, 2013, 01:02:10 AM
If you don't have it already:
Morder Machine - Deathshow
looked this up, twas excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmqb1tQMhU0
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 08, 2013, 03:27:52 AM
N.
Seconded. I've only heard the Resignation 3xcs but it's really great. Narcolepsia did a good job on it.
http://www.discogs.com/N-Resignation/release/2870088
since we are talking about recent stuff, a must is UNCODIFIED, old school guy who took part to many cult projects has is industrial project with strong PE influences.
I am currently recording a collaboration with him and I am very impressed by his latest work.
Today, I'm Dead
http://youtu.be/19-jftX3M0A
Deison was a great project....
autocancrena:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMRiKTSahX8
Really like the Autocancrene 3"cdr.
Quote from: K.S. on February 10, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Today, I'm Dead
http://youtu.be/19-jftX3M0A
That was good, but for mine, I prefer this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp7QLy38As (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mp7QLy38As)
- reminded me a lot of BDN's "Shatterer Of Earth". Dead synth - sterile - removed - calming, like morphine to a dying patient. That, to me, is what Death Industrial is all about.
From Italy, Giancarlo Toniutti's masterpiece "La Mutazione" must be heard. I've really got to get around to getting a proper copy of it. A sound beyond mere "warm" or "cold", a sound beyond.
well since we shifted from death industrial to the whole Italian "industrial" scene, definitely three must have:
- CCC CNC NCN - (especially SUICIDIO MODO D'USO, most powerful concept ever... )
- TASADAY (and their previous project DIE FORM, nothing to do with Fichot's fetish project)
- OFFICINE SCHWARTZ (I also like a lot the latest more "ethnical" oriented projects, very powerful)
All three projects were very multi-media oriented ahead of the time, with strong political reference. definitely in the field of e. neubaten, test department, etc.
These were all more complex with also musical features but were with SIGULLIM S, AIN SOPH and MB the backbone of Italian culture.
then don't miss:
F.A.R. - presto i topi verranno.
ROSEMARY'S BABY - Italian official TOPY project
and of course anything done by Devis G.:
TEATRO SATANICO CHARLES MANSON (then TEATRO SATANICO), whose early tapes have been the most radical in concept ever concieved in Italy (and got lots of shit from authorities)
LUNUS
Necrophonie (with Corbelli)
then check aslo
NORTHGATE, every record is different ranging from semi-power electronics, to electro acoustic, to electro.
I also enjoyed a lot Wutanes Heer, more influenced by German '90s industrial.
Cupio Dissolvi
TOMOGRAFIA ASSIALE COMPUTERIZZATA (TAC) (and their many spin-offs)
TH26 (who also runs Uncodified, MONOSONIK, candor chasma, etc.)
I BURN
SHEE RETINA STIMULANTS
Progetto Morte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWvrUZcaHy8
On the "ambient" oriented stuff:
UR (top notch)
BAD SECTOR (probably my fave Italian industrial related project EVER)
TESTING VAULT
SCUM FROM THE SUN
L:CH:M
The many projects involving the almighty Tisbo:
SPLINTER VS STALIN
FECAL LOVE
TAETER
And of course Giuliani's projects:
DISCORDANCE
DEAD BODY LOVE (everlasting harsh glory)
DRIFT (I am not completely sure it was him)
Then
Diktat (I wish he would have done more release... for fans of CON-DOM and related)
Deviated Sister TV (absolutely loved their tape on Italy's true crime legends "Satan's beasts")
Encephalophonic (Loud!!!)
Toilet trade/Mdt/The Streetcleaber
Artificial Stomach - really hope sooner or later he will wake up from his creative sleep and get back to action
what is missing in Italy is mentality, far too many defects between little "leaders", not many gigs, politics, etc. etc.
Thanks for the heads up Marco!
I also agree with all your suggestions. Italy is full of great stuff and I think that actually there are quite a lot of good noise/industrial related gigs lately.
The Destination Morgue festival in Rome is becoming more and more good for example, with a good focus on both old and new Italian projects.
As some of you know I will release a double tape compilation focused on Italian harsh noise, power electronics and bizarre sounds - hopefully it will give some exposure to some hidden treasures.
On most recent stuff<<-
lettera 22 (possibly one of the hottest things at the moment<9
elisha morning star
and a little bit older HNW masters INDCH LIBERTINE
Yep! Of course Rome has been always hot and although I could not attend to the festival, they are definitely top notch. And they definitely know how to have fun.
I hope Rodolfo (old europa cafe) will bring back the full-scale version of the congresso post industriale in prato.
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From Italy, Giancarlo Toniutti's masterpiece "La Mutazione" must be heard. I've really got to get around to getting a proper copy of it. A sound beyond mere "warm" or "cold", a sound beyond.
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Soon i'll release an anthology of Toniutti's tracks for various 80's compilations
More came to mind
In Milano:
Andrea Marutti's AMON, NEVER KNOWN adn SPIRAL
Moreno Daldosso's MURDER CORPORATION (definitely one of the highlights of the Italian non-scene) and Mortar
In Rome
No light of tomorrow
Malato
Mushroom's patience
Atonal Orgasm (I am a big fan of their vocalist, total cult figure)
then PER VAS NEFANDUM (involving Corbelli, Pedretti and Facci Tosatti), in the same way of Teatro satanico/Progetto morte, and probably even better. total cult lyrics. -unfortunately in Italian.
Some months ago I listened a rip from a tape entitled "Eccitazione cadaverica". Jonathan Canady discover it and actually I don't know anything about this project. I'm not so sure that they was italian.
Here the cover
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/killerklown79/EccitazioneCadavericaTapeCover_zps924f6f9c.jpg)
I could add yet:
DECA (some releases)
DIE SONNE SATAN
DISUMANA RES
GERSTEIN
IL MESTRUO DELLE PUTTANE
IUGULA-THOR (not all, only first releases)
RUNES ORDER
ZONA INDUSTRIALE
LAXATIVE SOULS
LARSEN (some reelases are great)
NIGHTMARE LODGE
Mauro TEHO TEARDO
Mariæ NASCENTI
NEW RISEN THRONE
NETHERWORLD
NIMH
AIN SOPH (eighties, but not only)
K.D.N.R.
TAM QUAM TABULA RASA
MACELLERIA MOBILE DI MEZZANOTE
CORPOPARASSITA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPhHwdWIfSU
another Italian classic, totally forgotten by most of today's ambient mongers
capricorni pneumatici
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD-EdZs1KPU
there was an amazing video shot in an abbatoir in the 80's that was quite intense
http://www.myspace.com/capricornipneumatici
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 12, 2013, 06:07:13 PM
Artificial Stomach - really hope sooner or later he will wake up from his creative sleep and get back to action
:)...we got to force him!!! Last year i gave him some contact mics to start something new! Mr. B. please come back ehhehehe
PER VAS NEFANDUM
I think I still own that tape.
The youtube vid for Capricorni Pneumatici is quite good. I've never heard of them before. Seems like a good act to track down for a future I.R. release... (I'd recommend Mikko look into Fatal Impact too while I'm thinking of them. French, I think? One or 2 tapes on Slaughter which is why the name popped into my head).
Another C.P. piece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0s3GtD22Ms
Lots of tapes on discogs but nothing for sale at all. I really like the heavy, reverbed sounds they use.
A few more:
N. (Davide TOZZOLI)
NETHERWORLD (Alessandro Tedeschi)
and:
NEGATIV PERSON, Emanuele GILARDI's solo industrial act from 80s.
anybody knows anything about him?
Just bought a few 7"s on Discogs that were missing from my collection thanks to this topic:
- Mauthausen Orchestra - Lost in Boyz Town
- Sshe Retina Stimulants - Hadaka
- Iugula-Thor - The Hollywood Smack
- Iugula-Thor - We Are Ready
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on February 17, 2013, 03:33:02 PM
and:
NEGATIV PERSON, Emanuele GILARDI's solo industrial act from 80s.
anybody knows anything about him?
I know that him is from my province...in the early 80's he plays with one of my best friend and collaborators, now i really don't know where he is gone
That Mauthausen Orchestra 6 cassette data cdr released by Placenta is great, more like this. And make sure I can order it from crucial blast. Must be Italian.
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Also, any indication when they're going to reissue the rest of Atrax Morgue's output besides Paranoia?
Quote from: Peterson on July 05, 2013, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on July 05, 2013, 08:33:53 PM
That Mauthausen Orchestra 6 cassette data cdr released by Placenta is great, more like this.
That CDr is a bootleg, not a reissue. To say that it is a reissue is inaccurate because they didn't have Pierpaolo Zoppo's consent. It even makes that distinction in the advertisement for it.
A reissue, which is officially sanctioned, would be one of these:
http://urashima.it/uma034.html
http://www.menstrualrecordings.org/artists.htm#mo
I would really recommend you get the vinyls because the MP3s have questionable fidelity at best. When I imagine something as lo-fi as M.O.'s early output, that's not something I want to hear after millions of compressions, inflations, transfers, and god knows what else. To say that the sound quality of that, or say, Right To Kill, would suffer from digital compression, is the understatement of all time.
I work a minimum wage job that only works me 20/hrs a week so its doubtful ill get the vinyls. I'm primarily a CD/cdr/tape man myself
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on February 15, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
A few more:
N. (Davide TOZZOLI)
NETHERWORLD (Alessandro Tedeschi)
Both projects are great!!!
Really impressed by Teatro Satanico, whoever suggested it was genius. Can someone point me to his best releases
ANGST, a new good label
http://angstrecords.blogspot.it/ (http://angstrecords.blogspot.it/)
https://soundcloud.com/angstrecords (https://soundcloud.com/angstrecords)
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on July 07, 2013, 10:15:46 PM
Really impressed by Teatro Satanico, whoever suggested it was genius. Can someone point me to his best releases
I'd recommend both Lps:
http://www.discogs.com/Teatro-Satanico-Teatro-Satanico/release/309212
http://www.discogs.com/Teatro-Satanico-Untitled/master/186409
and the tapes:
http://www.discogs.com/Teatro-Satanico-Mephitic-Coitus/master/215079
http://www.discogs.com/Teatro-Satanico-Pervas-Nefandum-Polisatanismo-Le-Dolci-Cose-Perdute/release/584252
regarding teatro satanico my fave stuff is definitely in the early tapes... tracks like CONFESSO TUTTO, LIRICA ANTISOCIALE, etc.
I also love the INNO A SATANA 10"
alla shows I have seen of them were very intense
TAM QUAM TABULA RASA
Full on ECCITAZIONE CADAVERICA right now ! Fantastic stuff !!!!!!!
Anyone got any info on that tape ?
Quote from: Nil By Mouth on February 13, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
Here the cover
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/killerklown79/EccitazioneCadavericaTapeCover_zps924f6f9c.jpg)
I made it...what info would you like about it?
Quote from: MaisonBlanche on October 28, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Full on ECCITAZIONE CADAVERICA right now ! Fantastic stuff !!!!!!!
Anyone got any info on that tape ?
Quote from: Nil By Mouth on February 13, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
Here the cover
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/killerklown79/EccitazioneCadavericaTapeCover_zps924f6f9c.jpg)
Who/what label released it? Is it available anywhere? Have you made/released more material?
I quickly found the tape rip but quick google search brought nothing about your project.
Quote from: F_c_O on October 28, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
Who/what label released it? Is it available anywhere? Have you made/released more material?
I quickly found the tape rip but quick google search brought nothing about your project.
Same here. Seems like the whole thing never actually existed..... i play the tape rip non-stop these days.
Great creepy P.E. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3QU5FxDNA
"Necrophiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia.... Necrophiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllllliiiiiiiia..."
So:
This was born as a semi-prank. It is not from the 80s, but from some time around 98. It was recorded on an old 1980s tape I recycled, though, and I think the tape itself contributed a lot to the sound, which has a very soft type of saturation that objectively sounds very nice. It was me trying to play improvised material, iirc it is mostly analogue monosynth, lxp5 delay, boss bass flanger, and am radio. And my own shitty vocals.
The original master tape is with a dude called Rich Stanton from Buffalo, who used to run a label called House of Corprolith and with whom I lost touch 15 years ago. I don't have a copy myself.
My main project was called Cazzodio which, part of the irony of life, seems to have much shorter lasting power than this little tape I made over two afternoons to prank rec.music.industrial and alt.noise tape collectors.
Quote from: F_c_O on October 28, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
Who/what label released it? Is it available anywhere? Have you made/released more material?
I quickly found the tape rip but quick google search brought nothing about your project.
Prank or not, really enjoyable stuff. Sad that the master tape is now _somewhere_, it would be nice if there could be a proper tape release of this.
ahaha
Amazing!
There have been people asking me a lot about this for ages and made many "experts" turn crazy ahah "You are from Italy, you should know these!"
thanks for solving the mystery, definitely a classic that would deserve a proper release!
didn't know it was you eheh!
by the way really enjoyed your track on Solco Chiuso's CD, definitely the highlight of the whole work.
Another Italian project I absolutely love is Deison.
From experimental to ambient to noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBaDyXStvbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A6XeL5e50k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0NrCXlWxMc
these are the most ambient works, he did some amazing harder stuff....
I remember his classic Urban Noise.
Wanted to release a tape of him just before my old tape label Soffitta Macabra closed...
Quote from: MaisonBlanche on October 28, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Full on ECCITAZIONE CADAVERICA right now ! Fantastic stuff !!!!!!!
Man, this is amazing!!!!!!
Anyone have full album rip? If yes, please upload it and share a link!
Marco: thanks...as for Solco Chiuso, I am glad to know someone likes my forays into West Coast synthesis; as I grow older I am tempted more and more to start making "modular music" and leave noise behind. (Then I start playing with the Tremerario that Gabriele built for me, and I forget about the whole modular thing).
Alex: the whole album has three tracks, which iirc are in an easy-to-find rip. Anyway I have the rip and I can send it to you if you have trouble finding the whole thing yourself.
BTW, I think that the rip one can find online comes from Jonathan Canady who, iirc, had suspected it was me a long time ago, and, I guess, got a first generation copy from Rich Stanton himself. I agree it would be nice to track down the original master tho. (I'd be happy to reconnect with Rich in any case). A quick google search yields a trace of the original rec.music.industrial post : https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.industrial/mu3npSuv_2M
Quote from: cosmonaut on October 28, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
My main project was called Cazzodio which, part of the irony of life, seems to have much shorter lasting power than this little tape I made over two afternoons to prank rec.music.industrial and alt.noise tape collectors.
Quote from: F_c_O on October 28, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
Who/what label released it? Is it available anywhere? Have you made/released more material?
I remember when (it was 11 years ago when I started to work with my "Encyclopaedia..") I asked to Maurizio Bianchi about meaning word of CAZZODIO. His response was invaluable :) Anyway CAZZODIO is very good project. Weren't you with concert in Poland years ago?
Quote from: cosmonaut on October 29, 2015, 12:33:42 AM
Marco: thanks...as for Solco Chiuso, I am glad to know someone likes my forays into West Coast synthesis; as I grow older I am tempted more and more to start making "modular music" and leave noise behind. (Then I start playing with the Tremerario that Gabriele built for me, and I forget about the whole modular thing).
BTW, I think that the rip one can find online comes from Jonathan Canady
I am using modular as well, yet for doing sensless noise as usual ehehe
Jonathan was exactly one of thos who got obsessed with this and asked me!
Tremerario rules :) (for those who might be interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2PSJVjj590)
Got Eccitazione Cadaverica from Piero. This tape is a masterpiece!!! Somebody should do an reissue of this!!!
Quote from: Dr Alex on October 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Got Eccitazione Cadaverica from Piero. This tape is a masterpiece!!! Somebody should do an reissue of this!!!
you got a rip or an actual, physical copy of tape? anyway, urashima vinyl of it would be neat, heh.
I remember Cazzodio. That was really great stuff.
one of the very few projects in that period in Italy that did something different that try to copy atrax morgue!!!
fundamental for those years!
talking about solco chiuso, gabriele posted this tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzK4ChJQNmU&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: F_c_O on October 30, 2015, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on October 30, 2015, 01:05:30 PM
Got Eccitazione Cadaverica from Piero. This tape is a masterpiece!!! Somebody should do an reissue of this!!!
you got a rip or an actual, physical copy of tape? anyway, urashima vinyl of it would be neat, heh.
A good mp3 rip.
I prefer cd or tape version for this one.
Quote from: SUBKLINIK on October 30, 2015, 01:30:24 PM
I remember Cazzodio. That was really great stuff.
Now on Cazzokraft
I've only been able to find a low bit-rate, poor quality MP3 rip of Eccitazione Cadaverica. Anyone have a link to a better rip than 160kbps? Always interested in anything Cazzodio put out there.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/82a7/pxt3d7nan5wiae96g.jpg)
another nod saying CAZZODIO is the goods
Eccitazione Cadaverica is very impressive.
there is something on youtube but it's a ghost in Discogs.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 30, 2015, 07:31:23 PM
I've only been able to find a low bit-rate, poor quality MP3 rip of Eccitazione Cadaverica. Anyone have a link to a better rip than 160kbps? Always interested in anything Cazzodio put out there.
That's the only one I could find. A 14 minute tune at 19mb is definitely 160... Any leads on a better one I'd love to know. This is pretty killer.
I can share the rip I have. I did not rip it myself, and I guess it comes from a second-generation tape. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3NGu4y12WO-S2U3VlJsUmNaS3M&usp=sharing
A prominent US-based tape label volunteered to reissue this material on tape. I have to fish up my copy (which is, in any case, a second-generation copy). It will take some weeks because my old tapes are in some boxes sitting in a closet in my hometown. First time I go there I'll check if I can find it.
In any case, it would be better to find the original master tape. If it did not end up in a dumpster over a decade ago. If anyone knows how to reach Rich Stanton, SUNY Buffalo alumn who used to run House of Corprolith...
Quote from: MaisonBlanche on October 28, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Full on ECCITAZIONE CADAVERICA right now ! Fantastic stuff !!!!!!!
Anyone got any info on that tape ?
Whaoo, things are going fast on that tape ! Mystery solved.
Definitely needs a proper release/reissue.
Are these 3 tracks the only ones existing from that prank/project ?
Quote from: MaisonBlanche on October 31, 2015, 12:04:19 PM
Are these 3 tracks the only ones existing from that prank/project ?
Yes, as I said this was two afternoons of work...this said, while Cazzodio was heavily beat-driven, at least some of my recent material as Naxal Protocol is not that far from the Eccitazione tape, albeit it lacks the shitty falsetto vocals and the (very nice) natural tape saturation. [i should probably fix the recording function on my old tape machine, and start looking for old consumer tapes, for mastering purposes]. For instance, this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHWpcYdVPo
Not really "death industrial", but finally was listening LYOTO MUSIC -LP on Urashima. I was under impression that it would not be this good. I remember it was good, but this is really nice. I'm not 100% convinced every frequency comes out perfectly on LP and cover artwork sucks big time (compared to tape), but still am pretty satisfied with having this material in some format.
Mostly focusing on feedback and upper frequencies, some possessed screamo vocals. Only somewhat lousy moments are when thin drum machine rhythms plays over rotten soundscapes, but that is not very often. Would be very recommended for those into ripping old school power electronics.
Satanismo Calibro 9 ? Pretty much death industrial for my years. Quality one.
Quote from: linxtyx on December 01, 2015, 10:24:14 AM
Satanismo Calibro 9 ? Pretty much death industrial for my years. Quality one.
last works are very interesting and better than firsts.
Quote from: cosmonaut on October 31, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
A prominent US-based tape label volunteered to reissue this material on tape. I have to fish up my copy (which is, in any case, a second-generation copy). It will take some weeks because my old tapes are in some boxes sitting in a closet in my hometown. First time I go there I'll check if I can find it.
Any update on that ? The world needs this shit.
Quote from: MaisonBlanche on September 19, 2016, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: cosmonaut on October 31, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
A prominent US-based tape label volunteered to reissue this material on tape. I have to fish up my copy (which is, in any case, a second-generation copy). It will take some weeks because my old tapes are in some boxes sitting in a closet in my hometown. First time I go there I'll check if I can find it.
Any update on that ? The world needs this shit.
Unfortunately I checked and I do not have a copy of the tape. Repressing the mp3 files would be a terrible idea. If someone can track down a copy of the tape...
maybe Canady? he was obsessed with this project, but not sure he has the original.
Quote from: tiny_tove on September 20, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
maybe Canady? he was obsessed with this project, but not sure he has the original.
For what I remembered It was Canady that spread the news about this tape, don't remember if he have intentions to re-release it.