Hospital Productions : 13 new tapes out now.
new tapes out now by:
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climax denial
aaron dilloway
perispirit
whorebutcher
ffh
tortured hooker
no fun acid
emil beaulieau
k.p.
alberich
ash pool
chrome jesus
explosive improvised device
for ordering and more information go to: http://hospitalproductions.com/
All tapes already sold-out at Hospital store. Maybe Freak Animal will get copies?
Sold out in what, less than a day? This is ridiculous.
I think it was much less. I read about these last night just berore work and went to the hospital site and it said sold out. im on plenty of mailing lists and sometimes theres no news. but not on hospitals, was word sent out?
this might also be a case of not a lot of copies/tape.
I think I read somewhere that there was 100 copies of each tape. That is 1300 tapes sold in a few hours....
for one second i thought it was new emil beaulieau material , unfortunately it's not
maybe he didn't even make the tapes , just pretend it's sold out ?
Posted on Stations Of The Cross and HM_AM yahoo mailing lists roughly 22 hours ago. Whorebutcher was a reissue of the CDR, Emil Beaulieau reissue of previous tape and Ash Pool tape version of CD/LP. Rest was new.
Have to remember that today Hospital is running that recording special.
"In addition, we invite the first 100 people that come to the store to record their very own noise cassette!
The recording gear will be set up and supplied by us and you can record your own 1 minute noise tape.
We will personalize your cover for you and you will be the only person to have a copy. You get to keep your recording free of charge.
100 people. 1 minute tapes. Limited to 1."
Quote from: Ritual on April 17, 2010, 04:40:24 PM
I think I read somewhere that there was 100 copies of each tape. That is 1300 tapes sold in a few hours....
have to remember that this 100 is minus artist copies, minus store copies, minus distro copies (rrr, fa, second layer, hanson, mimiroglu). but yeah, should come as no surprise by now that hospital moves these things like no other. if only ebay speculators wouldn't exist. . .
I've honestly been disappointed with lot of the last batches anyways. I got two from this new batch and one of those is just the Whorebutcher re-issue. It is amazing what discogs and ebay has done for Hospital. Sold out tapes pop up for double the price a day later...
pretty fun in the hospital store today. he got the mail man to record a noise tape while he was in there. So far, the tapes are pretty solid
I don't know if my request was made in time, but well see if FA will stock these eventually. I didn't ask many, so stocks if they come, will be very limited.
Anyone doing 100 copies of tape, is fine with me. It doesn't look like intentionally limiting items to sell out instantly. Who would expect many of those titles ever sell more than 100? I'm personally glad to see Hospital getting wheels on motion and getting out stuff like FFH, Climax Denial, etc.. Haven't got or heard any of them, though. I believe it's "pro-duplicated" now. I hope it means good quality, and not some mono-on-ferric-tapes a'la religious speeches dubs, but perhaps eventually will be seen. I think he has huge source of masters that has waited for years to be released. Batches would be only way to clear the material piled up in times when lots of plans was made, but not enough happened.
Talking in general and not about noise exclusively, I think in many cases in scenes of today, when label announced release to be sold out, it is sold out from them. But perhaps not in general. Copies often still on their way to distributors if such method is used. Endless amount of cases show that top$$ auctions happen just days or weeks after release supposedly sold out. While dozens, if not hundreds of copies are ready to hit the "market".
Interesting thing is, all the covers say edition of 200
It's amazing how much the label's imprint can make on the speed at which things sell.
This edition was 200. I heard from Dom that he's trying to do bigger editions because the demand is so high. Nobody wants to play inflated prices for the items, it's not like Hospital makes anymore money when they're re-sold anyways. Hospital has a high profile because, for the most part, it releases quality if not exceptional quality material. However "indie" media in the US has gravitated towards Dom and Hospital Productions so there's the added interest from hipster kids who want to get the hype and such.
It is interesting that any label that could sell X numbered pressing wouldn't take advantage of that capacity. Since this is all business and less to serve the artists and audience, that's why I focus on that aspect. Matching supply with demand is a lot more respectable than [hasty] fund raiser bake sales. And that isn't necessarily cross-haired at Hospital.
Who is K.P. & TORTURED HOOKER? Dom-side projects?
What's the FFH ttape titled? Wish he'd get a full-length LP out already despite the previous tapes all being disappointing.
FFH - 'anything is Possible' _ first thing I have heard from this project that I liked. The vocals are almost spoken sounding and really scratchy. Electronics are more dynamic than other stuff I have heard from it.
Tortured Hooker is DF's noisecore project. Not sure about K.P., it's noise from NEw York, but I am pretty sure it isn't DF.
Yeah I don't think K.P. is Dom but from what I've heard Exploring Jezebel is. The first two Tortured Hooker tapes were alright but I eventually sold them.
EJ is definitely dom, as is Vatican Shadow. Chrome Jesus is wes eisold from cold cave. wish i would have gotten the FFH.
i'm most interested in this new K.P. the last tape "nominating someone" came totally out of the blue (for me at least) and impressed me very much. would be interested to know more about this project, although once the veil of obscurity is lifted some "edge" is bound to be lost, hah!
So it's more important who is in the group rather than how it actually sounds?
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on April 18, 2010, 11:19:51 PM
So it's more important who is in the group rather than how it actually sounds?
who's in the group does effect on how the music sounds, does it not?
Quote from: Max on April 18, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on April 18, 2010, 11:19:51 PM
So it's more important who is in the group rather than how it actually sounds?
who's in the group does effect on how the music sounds, does it not?
- don't think it effects my opinion of the music, i.e. I still like/dislike it as much, but it wouldn't mean I am not interested. I was surprised to hear fernow was behind vatican shadow. I remember him talking about how much he wanted to create short industrial tracks, just didn't realize that was his project.
I see your point but I always thought the idea behind doing something under a monicker incognito was to get beyond the expectations generated to specific persons. Taken to an extreme, one would change the group name for every release, if the purpose is for people to focus on the idea and sounds rather than having it all put in a larger perspective.
Quote from: Max on April 18, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
who's in the group does effect on how the music sounds, does it not?
Maybe it does but the main question is SHOULD IT?
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on April 19, 2010, 12:32:43 PM
I see your point but I always thought the idea behind doing something under a monicker incognito was to get beyond the expectations generated to specific persons. Taken to an extreme, one would change the group name for every release, if the purpose is for people to focus on the idea and sounds rather than having it all put in a larger perspective.
Even more extreme would be to disguise all your releases as compilations with a dozen different artists.
I guess, been done within noise as long as I can remember. I remember years ago asking some older UK folks about identities of certain bands on old compilations and they said, everytime when you see uknown name in UK comp, it's most likely the side project of the one who put it out.
As much as I often used to underline necessity of personality in noise, I think nowadays almost the opposite. I do think it's about the same, but perhaps its more of semantics: It should actually not be said to be personality, but interesting substance? It might be directly results of "personality", but with all the bs "me me me" removed. Underlining the lack of importance of person, and focusing on ideas & substance of soniks/kontent (heh..). It would be essential. The worship of certain projects based on who did it, seems foolish, since it could be said there are hardly perfect discographies. I guess most of the "re-unions" have perhaps proven it, as well as some of the long lived projects who kind of dropped out but keep on going? Where veterans who one set the standards and gained status of being interesting projects to keep eye on, fail to live up to standards. While many of the smaller bands crush, but nobody bothers to check out.. unless it's by this or that label, or from this or that country.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on April 17, 2010, 10:36:57 PM
Hospital has a high profile because, for the most part, it releases quality if not exceptional quality material.
Really? That could have been said a few years back, but lately, quality of dubbing is all over the place, some tapes sounding like complete garbage. My copy of the 2nd Yellow Tears LP won't even play on one side, and I've heard others say the same. Packaging quality has taken a huge nosedive in recent years, and the design for most releases doesn't hold a candle to the past. I think this label rides on a reputation from a few years ago that doesn't reflect the current reality. I love many of the current releases, but had they been released in 2002 or 2003, I could only imagine how much better the quality control on the design would have been, and how much more interesting the presentation and packaging would have been. Now, most releases reflect mass-production without quality control, and yet the prices are the same. Why bother, though, right? People still think the label's great, pay the same prices, and the releases sell out faster. It's a fine business model. Anyone ever read any Adorno?
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on April 19, 2010, 12:32:43 PM
I see your point but I always thought the idea behind doing something under a monicker incognito was to get beyond the expectations generated to specific persons. Taken to an extreme, one would change the group name for every release, if the purpose is for people to focus on the idea and sounds rather than having it all put in a larger perspective.
That was an idea of someone I'm in a band with; change the name for each release. I wasn't into it, myself, but I could see the merit in it.
Anyone who's got a disappointing Merzbow album or a great release from a total unknown should know to expect the unexpected, and I imagine in this scene that's all of us. One can rely on the good name of a certain project or individual for only so long; everyone has their off moments.
Quote from: catharticprocess on April 21, 2010, 12:15:34 AM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on April 17, 2010, 10:36:57 PM
Hospital has a high profile because, for the most part, it releases quality if not exceptional quality material.
Really? That could have been said a few years back, but lately, quality of dubbing is all over the place, some tapes sounding like complete garbage. My copy of the 2nd Yellow Tears LP won't even play on one side, and I've heard others say the same. Packaging quality has taken a huge nosedive in recent years, and the design for most releases doesn't hold a candle to the past. I think this label rides on a reputation from a few years ago that doesn't reflect the current reality. I love many of the current releases, but had they been released in 2002 or 2003, I could only imagine how much better the quality control on the design would have been, and how much more interesting the presentation and packaging would have been. Now, most releases reflect mass-production without quality control, and yet the prices are the same. Why bother, though, right? People still think the label's great, pay the same prices, and the releases sell out faster. It's a fine business model. Anyone ever read any Adorno?
What you say is with nearly all Labels, who become "bigger". Cold Meat were totaly Great in Music and Packing, now ist just normal stuff. Tesco were the same. More and more went out with normal boring digipack. Old Europe Cafe too...
I think that has been discussed elsewhere at some point? I mean the topic of who does special packaging nowadays? You can remember Tesco, OEC, GROSS, MSBR, and many others who were doing even very special handmade items. Not only for sake of being "handmade", but also actually looking good & exceptional.
The choise to go into factory product is most likely direct result of increased pressing and release volume. I wouldn't expect someone to hand assemble some MSBR type for 1300-2600 tapes they just got for sale? Or 5 cd's totalling 5000 copies to hand assemble.
I'm fine with standard packaging. Jewelbox, j-card in tape box, etc.
One could say that Nil By Mouth. Cathartic Process. For example they do alternative packaging nowadays. But is it going to extent of MSBR, GROSS or specialities of early Tesco or insanities of SHF etc?
In case of Hospital, I would assume, that all the design is intentional. If it looks rough and rubbish, it is intended to be so. About dubbing, I can't say anything since I haven't heard any of the tapes since.. well, few years ago. And I do think that as opposite what Cathartic Process said, 2-3 years ago there was period of high-speed 16x on lowest grade tapes where machine was used until it simply fell apart. Some of the worst dubs in noise. And you could tell it by listening the tapes. Few sad lights blinking on one channel with clicks and pops on tape. Hosital did improve it when changed to do 1:1 double decking. But that obviously was only suitable for small runs. Whatever dubbing is now, I can't imagine that it would be worse than 2-3 years ago. I got many tapes what maybe looked nice in the big polycase with full color cover, but sound.. often unbearable. Not the low levels, but glitches and crackles not meant to be there. I do prefer the basic box, instead of oversized vinyl box. It's rare to see design what offers so much visual pleasure that it justifies the unpracticality. In same was as DVD box vs. jewelbox. It simply isn't "special" to choose oversized packaging. Tape in DVD/videobox size "library cover" isn't "special" unless it has some substance why such packaging is used. So personally, I'm all in favor for Hospital doing standard J-card & plastic box.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 21, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
I got many tapes what maybe looked nice in the big polycase with full color cover, but sound.. often unbearable. Not the low levels, but glitches and crackles not meant to be there.
that sounds retarded. a label guy I talked to a little while ago said that there were really shitty sounding tapes but I thought he was putting me on. how does something like that work in reality, is it possible to get your money back because thats very close to putting out a cd that skips. can you say that this is the way the tapes are supposed to sound if the master doesnt sound anything like the "finished" tape, or was this concpet art with the concept being the buyer is sucker.
I would say I would prefer a regular size package over a large ziplock bag with oversize insert or something similar. It doesn't bother me so much, as I feel that cost may come into play? But, honestly, after awhile, it is frustrating finding places to put these odd size special packages, even though sometimes I really appreciate the extra work and items that go along with it.
As far as Hospital's quality of cassette, I think these release from the last year sound as good, if not better than what I picked up years ago. This recent batch has some very good material, as far as actual content.
I agree that both "standard" and "hand-made" packaging has its time and place. And just being "hand-made" is no value in itself, unless it looks good who cares how much time & effort went into it? I much prefer a well designed "standard" release (with nice quality materials) over some bullshit pre-schooler hobbie craft thing. And as was said before, at some point you run into problems with over/awkward-size releases clogging up your shelves. If they look (& sound!) outstanding I will happily make room for them somehow - if not, I'm tempted to just get rid of 'em.
But what I really don't like are jewelcase cd releases. Standard plastic cases are ok for tapes but for cds I much prefer a nice digipak or even just a sturdy cardboard sleeve. Jewelcases just remind me too much of massmarket mid-price stuff that I can buy at any supermarket. I know they make a lot of sense economically but I wish people would find some alternatives for them. Printed digipaks are not feasible for small editions but there are always other options. A dvd-box is even worse, still...
It's funny that the same people that argued the limited nature of Hospital releases with such a high demand get upset when the runs are increased and the packaging is standardized. Obviously when dealing with 13 releases, each an edition of 200, the packaging can not be homemade. However, the design of each of the tapes is great. It seems like more of a progression from the earlier designwork than a compromise. People who argue this just have a style preference. Dom may have some design that looks like 'rubbish' but it's obviously intentional. That contrasted with the fact that he's willing to invest in color prints when there's only a dot of red in an almost-entirely black and white design shows that the design isn't cutting corners.
I'm pretty sure Dom gets his tapes pro-dubbed now. I've never heard a Hospital tape pre-2008 that sounded great - the shitty dubs would sometimes work in favor of the material on the release, but most of the time you could tell that the material suffered from shitty dubbing. Now, every tape is guaranteed to sound amazing. It's no longer 'scattered all over the place' like it was in 2004 or even 2007.
Also, Hospital still does special/homemade packaging for some releases...
Anyway,
To get back to the subject at hand, I picked up the Dilloway, K.P., and Alberich tapes. I've listened to the Climax Denial and FFH ones as well.
All of them range from very good to amazing... Nothing groundbreaking but worlds better than what most labels are putting out these days.
If these were put out in 2004-2005 as Cathartic Process suggested... I may of came all over the unique packaging because of how special it felt in my hands, but afterwards I would probably sell them because of how terrible they sounded.
It's funny that the people who pontificate about the nature of Hospital Productions on these boards always have releases for sale in the Hospital Store... the beauty of capitalism and democracy
I actually really like the direction Dom's going in with the packaging. He still puts out handmade packaging like the Palm Tree Corpse 3xCS recently. I certainly don't see any reason to complain about the Hospital Prod. aesthetic when there are so many labels putting out complete shit whether it be sub-par collage stuff or shitty blurred jpegs of some corpse on a PE tape. There's no right or wrong way to do packaging, but certain things look so stupid and lame it can't possibly be intentional. Not all of the art on the Hospital tapes as of late is mind-blowing but there is an aesthetic unity there that not too many other labels can top.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 21, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
Tape in DVD/videobox size "library cover" isn't "special" unless it has some substance why such packaging is used. So personally, I'm all in favor for Hospital doing standard J-card & plastic box.
I wasn't referring to the packaging format. I was referring to the ingenuity in the overall piece of art, in terms of the artwork, design/layout, and so on. It also doesn't have to be completely hand-made, or hand-made at all. I'm just talking about putting the same time into working the artwork into a layout as a decent artist would put into mixing and mastering the original recording. Presentation is important, and most of us can realize when very little work or attention to detail goes into something and when very little has been put into the finishing touches. Hospital used to be all about the fine details. Dom's a pretty good artist, and it was much more evident in past releases I've snagged than the recent ones I've gotten my hands on. I ordered some of this batch, so I'll have a chance to compare to the ones I was able to snag, a year ago, two years, and so on. I've been following the label since it started, but very infrequently - I probably only have 10 to 20% of the releases, so maybe I've just had bad luck lately. I just have to take exception to what I've seen recently as being of "exceptional quality." It might be better than the average, but these days, that doesn't say much. It certainly doesn't warrant some of the fastest selling releases based on quality alone, as the post I was responding to claimed. If releases sold based on quality, Korm Plastics wouldn't still have copies of the Hafler Trio reissues that they put out in editions of 700 several years ago. Those contain "music" and packaging that no one in the noise scene can touch.
I generally like larger artwork. For instance, the Alfarmania tape I put out wouldn't have looked nearly as good if the art was 1/3 of the size, for instance. Most of the larger-format packaged releases I own are worthy of the additional size - the artwork couldn't have been what it is if it were condensed down to a j-card.
Distros are starting to receive tapes (here in the USA). So I'm sure some people have these now AND hopefully have listened to them. Which of the tapes are good and worth getting? Also what are the lengths of the tapes?
alberich tape is totally worth it. i believe it to be a c15.
ash pool tape also totally worth it. i'm glad i held out on the other formats. perfect as a tape. c40
chrome jesus was surprisingly good. will probably actually keep it. c20
E.I.D. tape is 24 minutes. I'll leave quality judgement to others, since I recorded it.
FFH tape is completely bizarre - very minimal electronics, and not as thick or dense as they usually are. The vocal style is very unprocessed, and almost spoken. The attitude/feel of this tape is that of a broken man. Really strange, and quite unlike his other material to date.
The Climax Denial, Alberich, and Aaron Dilloway tapes are all amazing, and I would highly recommend snatching these up. None of them have time labels, but my guess would be that Climax Denial is a c20, alberich is a C10 or so, and the Dilloway tape is a c30.
Quote from: Pharmakon on April 24, 2010, 05:26:16 PM
FFH tape is completely bizarre - very minimal electronics, and not as thick or dense as they usually are. The vocal style is very unprocessed, and almost spoken. The attitude/feel of this tape is that of a broken man. Really strange, and quite unlike his other material to date.
Sounds interesting. Even though I've always felt FFH stuff to be hit or miss but got this one anyway. I'm really looking forward to getting the Whorebutcher re-issue in my tape player though.
downloaded the FFH. VERY good. definitely will buy along with the whorebutcher.
Managed to get the Tortured Hooker and FFH tapes...liked them both a lot.
i just posted this question on another forum in regards to the new Tortured Hooker cassette. i will copy/paste here:
someone PLEASE explain to me (honestly) how this is better than the new ash pool. is it because it is literally, almost unlistenable? even as far as noisecore is concerned, this is terrible. i would like to nominate any positive comments directed towards this release as prime examples of fernow blowjobbery. if this release is actually better than the previous cassettes, than i honestly don't think that i could make it through the older ones as i had to force myself to finish this one. please don't take this as trolling. i am actually curious.
I wasn't a big fan of the first two Tortured Hooker tapes myself. One of the few items in my collection I've sold.
However, just to agree with previous comments, the new FFH is fucking great. Much better than I expected and I think a step way beyond any previous material. It has that vibe of stale, meaningless monotony and routine. It's like the horrors of personal war, but there have been so many they don't even phase you any more. Just an indifferent reading of the day's casualty list.