I know there are some fans here so I am a bit surprised there isn't a thread already. Do you listen to Post-Punk, if so which bands do you like? How about Goth Rock or "Darkwave"? What do you think about the sub-genre "No Wave"? Where did these genres begin? Do you think any of them are still alive and well?
As far as "No Wave" goes I pretty much love everything about it minus the name. Glenn Braca - "The Ascension" is a 10/10 album all the way through. Sonic Youth was a great band in the early 80's, albums like "Confusion is Sex" and "Bad Moon Rising" are classic early No Wave albums. Other bands I've been really into off and on for the past few years DNA, Massacre, Lydia Lunch/Teenage Jesus & The Jerks, Mars and The Cranium. The beginnings of No Wave are kind of hard to pin down, there was a good number of experimental Post-Punk and Industrial Rock bands sprouting up around 1979 like Tuxedomoon, Suicide and Pere Ubu and other acts hinting at it even as early as 1973 with The Residents or the dirty, deranged, avant-garde "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Dull which was released in 1969.
Post-Punk is another genre which I have always been pretty fond of. There is a lot of different styles that commingle in the Post-Punk underground (Gothic, Minimal-Wave, Art Rock, Dance Punk, etc) making it generally harder to trace than even No Wave. I'm sure there are others here that are far more knowledgeable in that arena than I. If you're interested in the history of these genres, specifically Post-Punk, Goth and No Wave you should definitely check out the book "Rip It Up And Start Again: Post-Punk 1978-1984" which covers all the bases and gives a solid introduction. I personally like the stranger, more experimental type of Post-Punk such as Minimal Man, The Pop Group, This Heat, Der Plan, The Birthday Party and early Cabaret Voltaire circa "Red Mecca".
I really have nothing to say about Goth or "Darkwave/Coldwave" because I don't listen to any bands that could be considered as such. Some bands under the Minimal Wave banner may share some of the same traits, but they are more experimental and lo-fi. Monoton is a great example, fairly ahead of its time taking Synth-Pop and stripping it down, mixing it with the drone side of Krautrock. "10 Suicides" by the band Ilitch is another good example of very well made Minimal Wave, this time a bit darker leaning towards a minimal, psychedelic, ambient version of Suicide. And lastly the earlier material from Dark Days, a solo project from one of the men behind No Wave pioneers DNA.
I guess early Noise Rock can find a home in this thread since it shares some things with these genres, especially No Wave. I'm thinking of bands like Sonic Youth (of course), early Butthole Surfers, Boredoms and Big Black, etc, etc.
Answering my own questions; I do think that No Wave, in particular, is dead and gone, with a handful of bands like New York's Sightings doing the best they can. Post-Punk although is still spewing out some decent bands, some more "mainstream" acts like Savages or She Wants Revenge or the more underground material of Marching Church and Night Sins, but for the most part the genre is quickly becoming stale.
Enough of my bullshit opinions and name dropping, what about you?
Lots of no-wave, as post punk just the usual joy division, PIL, killing joke and a couple more... Not my atmospheres.
Almost no goth stuff, and definitely no new wave at all (emo disco music with terrible haircut)...
Not too familiar with these genres, but some stuff that I like, that fits in here is Joy Division, Fields of the Nephilim, Clan of Xymox (only know Medusa though), Horror Vacui (the new, Italian band by Agipunk guy), Elegy of Madeline (which was a project from the guy of Gräuen Pestanz, great Goth Rock!) and probably some more stuff I can't think of right now.
This is really my home turf. I was very much into British punk/postpunk in the early 80's (all the usual suspects: Joy Division, Cure, Siouxie, Magazine, Bauhaus, PIL, OMitD, etc) and via bands with a more "free" approach like Swell Maps and Mekons I drifted towards the industrial camp; TG, the Cabs, 23 Skidoo, SPK, and so on. For me an overlooked band from this era is Comsat Angels, and in particular their second album Sleep No More. This track still send shivers down my spine after all these years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QmqXoN_v8M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QmqXoN_v8M).
Never was much into the original No Wave scene, but listen to a lot of groups that took their cue from there... Swans primarily of course, and others such as Circle X, Band of Susans, Sonic Youth. Staying in the US, I also have a soft spot for a lot of what came out on Ralph and Subterranean Records... Chrome, Tuxedomoon, Flipper, Factrix, MX-80 Sound...
Out of the more recent crop of postpunk practitioners I think Soft Moon stand head and shoulders above everything else. Their self-titled debut from a few years back is incredible; sure they have all the obvious influences, but they make something unique out of it. The follow-up album Zeros is also very good, but is more like a slow grower.
didn't listen to stuff like this for years, but Beläten got me hooked again with a gem of a tape :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vV9dlgo_Fo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vV9dlgo_Fo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYMON36N8qQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYMON36N8qQ)
in my teens i did listen to a lot of Sisters Of Mercy (first 2 albums, the maxi's, but still prefer Sisterhood lol), Virgin Prunes, Cranes...but in the 'goth'department allways preferred electronics (ebm) and evolved towards 'industrial' (Cabs etc)....
aside from Pere Ubu and The Dead Boys and Devo (regional bias from living in NE Ohio), related midwestern stuff such as Big Black and Naked Raygun, and maybe one British act, Joy Division, and one NY act the Swans, I find this shit highly underwhelming in comparison to industrial and power electronics that was going on at the same time. Used to be huge into it, but the hipster nostaglia surrounding the stuff has ruined it for me. I like noisy, transgressive stuff that has more of an "un-pc" attitude to it, devoid of "irony"
I'll still rock out to Cop and Songs About Fucking though anyday of the week, however.
I'm big fan of Lycia. Everybody should check their albums "Cold" and "The Burning Circle And Then Dust". Simply great music!
This song is pure masterpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-lKWOjAncg
I remember liking the "No New York"-Compilation from 1978, produced by Brian Eno. Contortions, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, Mars and D.N.A. - four tracks each.
Big Black's Pigpile CD is one of my alltime favourite live-recordings. 'Set me on fire, Kerosene..!'
Quote from: Dr Alex on June 23, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
I'm big fan of Lycia. Everybody should check their albums "Cold" and "The Burning Circle And Then Dust". Simply great music!
This song is pure masterpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-lKWOjAncg
Early Lycia albums are sublime. They're about to release a new album called Quiet Moments. I've only heard samples on Amazon, but it sounds better than anything they've released for years:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CXY78QA/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1372002134&sr=8-5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CXY78QA/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1372002134&sr=8-5)
martin dupont has been getting alot of plays from me, as well as:
streetwalker
sandra plays electronics
body of light
Sudeten Creche
Adult.
the Human League
R. Rousseau
Xeno & Oaklander
Das Ding/Tear Apart Tapes label
Oppenheimer Analysis
ECT ECT...
PLAY DEAD, criminally overlooked band that got lumped into the goth category:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CZdMmKhBaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQJPVqfXbRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWKv_O0vzQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIAekpdnpE
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were also great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCJIwGkkz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNlxLzLOy3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81wNHEgnG9Y
Two live Cabaret Voltaire tracks that are better than the studio versions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z9BEUL005Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYUipV-ZTT0
Does Clock DVA fit into this conversation? Adi Newton might be bona fide musical genius. He's still sort of a head-scratcher to me. I only know that everything Clock DVA has done fascinates me on some level, if not straight-up blows me away. My first exposure was Sign, which really isn't something I'd commonly like. I couldn't stop listening to it. It was many years later until I wanted to know more about the group. One of those situations when "This is exactly right. I don't want to disturb it." Since breaking beyond that, none of their work has been a disappointment.
*I could use some recommendations/schooling on The Anti Group.
I've always liked how when it comes to production etc., almost all styles of rock music sounded more or less like postpunk in the 80's. Even early crust and hardcore tends to have synths, lots of room reverb, bass high in the mix, sections of "tribal" style drumming etc.
Lots of the UK anarcho/peace-punk bands overlap a lot with goth and such, The Mob is one of my favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2r9T2v6ACk
Also I'm really fond of the "postpunk" era Blitz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7zZ-lO18I
Hard to escape my roots, though I did tend to gravitate toward the noisier branchings...
Virgin Prunes – Rhetoric
Never a big VP fan per se but I do love quite a lot of their more warped excursions. This one's an easy favorite. The live doomy-garage atmosphere reminds me of Public Castration era Swans, and the lyrics could just as easily have been pulled from Cop, re- "I crawl out of you, mother, mother, mother, mother mother, mother...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNJkhoS5G8
Edward Ka-Spel - The Fool With Hammers
Always been a huge Dots/Ka-spel fan – but this live recording, infinitely better than the studio version, sealed the deal very early on. The arrangement is an absolute mess, brought home all the more via Ka-Spel's over-the-top delivery of classic one-liners, one after the other...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkJt12OKKv8
Christian Death – Of The Wound
Again, not a huge fan of CD, the band proper, but this shit is like Goth Power Electronics... squealing strings, squealing babies, fucked up delivery of fucked up lyrics about some legless man directing someone to a fucking window...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbxabFhTa8Q
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And on balance,
Chris & Cosey – Driving Blind
Candypop minimalism best experienced over several hours of continuous uninterrupted playback. After which most of C&C's catalog is pretty much redundant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by-fZiJLvzI
Are there any Work/Death aficionado here? "The Grey Elk Plummets to Earth and Then is Lowered Beneath It", from the Tender Comrades album, has a very similar, if not exact, tonality or timbre to a big synth-pop hit of the 80s. I can clearly hear the melody of that top-40 song, but the chorus, thus title, is right on the edge of my brain. Maybe this is common knowledge or has been noticed by someone else. It would save me some frustration if someone could tell me what that song is.
Hey! I really like this idea of a "Name That Tune (or Band)" thread.
My request may be for late 80s / early 90s Toronto-area heads only, but if anyone could help me identify the band in question that would be stupendous. I'd probably instantly regress to fourteen years old.
Do the following lyrics mean anything to anyone, delivered in an appropriately sneering/declaiming intonation:
We are through
Feeling sorry for you
You will do what you're told to
Kinda darkwave synthpop or something (sorry, not one for genres), but always loved the lyrics.
I have an obsession with Neu Deustch Welle (German New Wave)
While I don't like things like Nina Hagen, a lot of these bands were a lot more aggressive and experimental acts, most famous being Einsturzende Neubauten, which is not really considered new wave. Another name I heard for this is Geniale Dilletanten, suggesting they were dilettantes rather than musicians (pretty much same attitude in no wave).
Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft started in a more no wave direction in their first album, but later had a fairly simple set up of sequenced MS-20 and drums with frantic vocals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fiZVsKKV7Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fiZVsKKV7Q)
Sprung Aus Den Wolken is another favorite, had members of EN in it sometimes. The modulated vocals in this song remind of some sort of power electronics with skronky no wave guitars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEym8OuqYEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEym8OuqYEE)
I don't how to comment on Die Tödliche Doris, sometimes I really like them and sometimes they really get on my nerves and too arty for their own good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKe_pKqEaUU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKe_pKqEaUU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPSfBY_lwg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPSfBY_lwg0)
Also love:
Grauzone (Eisbaer!)
Front
Malaria!
Gorilla Aktiv
Kosmonautentraum
Palais Schaumburg
early Die Krupps
Sentimentale Jugend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Exp63Lo4QQ might as well count this as PE as well)
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on July 23, 2013, 06:09:03 PM
We are through
Feeling sorry for you
You will do what you're told to
Kinda darkwave synthpop or something (sorry, not one for genres), but always loved the lyrics.
Hmm. The above could be a band called
Kitten With A Whip. There were a few projects revolving around the same few characters which spawned other thematically similar outlets like
Die Screaming,
Dogpile, and
Pure - though more of an industrial-metal type thing, the latter in particular sounding a times like noisy Godflesh as I recall. I tend to associate this general sound with the north east States, Detroit, Chicago (and Toronto) areas...
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Rivals-Of-Medusa/release/3996231
...but I'd bet there were dogpiles of the same sort of shit floating around the globe thenabouts....
Here's a great piece of heaviness from Dogpile's
Black Fag (1992)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFInQM-Psc
(apologies, should probably be posting in one of the thousand-and-one Godflesh/industrial/metal threads, but honestly this shit's all the same to me.)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 28, 2013, 09:58:02 AM
*I could use some recommendations/schooling on The Anti Group.
where to start, TAG/TAGC is a very divers project, many styles, relying heavily on science/occult/etc background info :-) all is GOOD imho.
my first exposure was he Broadcast Test 12", very close to later (electro) Clock DVA :
http://youtu.be/9HA2Bo2vXE4 (http://youtu.be/9HA2Bo2vXE4)
'The Delivery' mini, strong early DVA vibe, wtf do you call this?
http://youtu.be/-JUqfH--meo (http://youtu.be/-JUqfH--meo)
'Digitaria' album, tribal, scapes, early DVA, ....essential :
http://youtu.be/zSLBsoq15Zk (http://youtu.be/zSLBsoq15Zk)
http://youtu.be/q4NXILz29dE (http://youtu.be/q4NXILz29dE)
http://youtu.be/EKJmlP675qE (http://youtu.be/EKJmlP675qE)
'Teste Tones' record 1 and 2 (or both on 1 cd), loops, heavy lows, insane highs, samples, structured, at their most clinical, this just goes beyond imho :
http://youtu.be/ZK760HtLEu4 (http://youtu.be/ZK760HtLEu4)
http://youtu.be/9D0wwkAPCZg (http://youtu.be/9D0wwkAPCZg)
http://youtu.be/QR1CyHbvJpc (http://youtu.be/QR1CyHbvJpc)
'Burning Water' album : esotheric stuff, scapes, soundtrack work, good :
http://youtu.be/PUVaGJ-0DkE (http://youtu.be/PUVaGJ-0DkE)
far from 'hits' but they did 2 maxi's with more catchy stuff, Ha Zulu and Big Sex :
http://youtu.be/u-fvZ4oGCK8 (http://youtu.be/u-fvZ4oGCK8)
http://youtu.be/nTQh0H45q_0 (http://youtu.be/nTQh0H45q_0)
'ShT' mini album, more early-DVA-like ...
http://youtu.be/b6MqGj7nfZM (http://youtu.be/b6MqGj7nfZM)
"Iso-Erotic Calibrations" album, another essential :
http://youtu.be/Srx8sG2tutw (http://youtu.be/Srx8sG2tutw)
their final release on Die Stadt, one long scape :
http://youtu.be/rC8UT7VOl6o (http://youtu.be/rC8UT7VOl6o)
"Audiophile" is a good comp to get started ;-)
I listen to TAGc all the time, and agree that the "Audiophile" is a great place to start. "Digitaria" is a great piece of mid 1980's experimentia and still readily available on CD - it has a sample of Patrick Magee from the "Marat-Sade" ... it can do no wrong!
The release on Die Stadt is not TAGc though, it has nothing to do with Adi Newton or Jane Radion Newton but is a ruse by Andrew Mackenzie of Hafler Trio. I seem to recall they had a "fall out" of copyrights and payments etc so AM released this poor facsmilie of a TAGc release.
Thanks for the advice. That Die Stadt situation sounds unsavory.
really didn't know the Die Stadt-situation....in their discography it is the less interesting
"In 2005, a maxi CD 'Psychoegoautocratical Auditory Physiogomy Delineated' was released as T.A.G.C. without Adi Newton's involvement or approval.[2]"
damn !
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on July 24, 2013, 01:09:19 AM
I have an obsession with Neu Deustch Welle (German New Wave)
Yeah, I've had more than a passing dalliance with NDW myself. Problem is, even the more prominent bands from this scene were very hit or miss... few, if any, would maintain even a moderately high level over more than a couple of records. EN did of course, and maybe DAF on their first three albums, but who else? Then, as the story ususally goes, eventually NDW became nothing more than a label to slap on to watered-down new wave acts like Nena or Ideal.
As for Sprung Aus Den Volken; the split LP with the Hypnotischer Krach project is one of my favorite industrial albums of all time, while
History Of Electricity from a few years later is shite.
Another huge favorite is Abwärts (also sporting members of EN in early lineups), before they went down the Toten Hosen route. I think their
Koma/Amok LP is really one of the pinnacles of NDW, a fantastic documentation of the zeitgeist that permeated this period, that feverish art/punk/experimentalism crossover... functioning much like Swell Maps
A Trip To Marineville around the same time in the UK. This live clip is incredible, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57uI8RNhYk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57uI8RNhYk0)
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Also love:
Grauzone (Eisbaer!)
From Switzerland, right? Often lumped in with the NDW crowd though. But good never the less.
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Malaria!
Never could get in to them. Of the all-chick groups Xmal Deutschland were always my favs, before they sold out. I admit to having had a crush on Anja Huwe...
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Kosmonautentraum
I will never forget buying their
Juri Gagarin LP in a sort of punk squat record shop in Kreuzberg, upon my first visit to Berlin in -83.
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early Die Krupps
Yep, before they became yet another metal/industrial hybrid.
Are there any good books documenting this era of German music? I have the Freeman brothers
The Crack In the Cosmic Egg krautrock encyclopedia, which also covers a lot of NDW and early german industrial (Cranioclast, P16.D4, Strafe FR, etc), but would like to read a more focused attempt on NDW.
Btw, please don't speak bad about Nina Hagen. I used to listen a lot to her, and still would count myself in as an admirer.