Since there are so much Shitty Drumcomputer and Disco Rythm + some Guitar Myspace Bands out, i search for some Industrial BM Bands, who have a clue about Industrial and are not some Wumpscut or Combichrist Fanboys....
Havohej - Kembatian Premaster.
I would think it is very rare, if not non-existent. To mix drum machine and fancy electronics with technical bm seems quite common. Perhaps little bit better bands in genre includes resurrected Abigor, Blacklodge, Diapsiquir,... And then the hipsterized raw bm, which is pretty much like crustpunk meets harsh noise, yet carries very little if any real connection to black metal other than marketing tactics and lazy reference to Bone Awls and Ildjarn.
I've said it many times, and I do say it still, that if someone would do GOOD combination of nordic bm & deathindustrial/power electronics, I'd be glad to hear it. Like Con-Dom JESUS PENIS meets TRANSILVANIAN HUNGER. Unfortunately, I have never heard, and doubt I will. It would be hard to keep industrial side being more than intro/special effect. And metal to sound somehow interesting when buried in layers of fierce noise.
That mentioned Havohej...... well, since 1993 12" Black Perversion, band has been just about what it is now. Man & Jinn, Black Perversion... very little is different to Kembatian Premaster, in my opinion. In the end, this is prime example of idea being good, but execution being... ehm.. well, not perfect. I admire his guts to produce such a miserable stuff, so of course I have them all and appreciate. But if one would want to create something what SONICALLY works, without the legacy and content, it simply ain't Havohej. The dull drum machine beats over weak mechanical humming and the standard length screeching vocals. It isn't really that good on standards of metal, yet there's hardly anything to listen noise wise. Great band, though!
Menace Ruine
I gave MENACE RUINE a listen at myspace, to me it sounded like any random unindustrial CMI-band, like Arcana or sth, with some metal guitars. Not bad, though.
I think HAVOHEJ, with the latest album (Kembatinan Premaster), pushed himself up a bit, quality-wise - had a more, I don't know, industrial feel to it more than the earlier stuff. Though there is little to add beyond what Mikko said.
QuoteAnd then the hipsterized raw bm, which is pretty much like crustpunk meets harsh noise, yet carries very little if any real connection to black metal other than marketing tactics and lazy reference to Bone Awls and Ildjarn
Yeah, what's up with that? Any specific bands you refer to?
Would be interesting to hear the melodic side of BM fused with industrial noises, but to manage that would require a musician to master not one but two very different genres, which in itself is quite rare... Anyone can punch out a three-tone Ildjarn-primitive riff, but something like Transilvanian Hunger takes compositional skills.
Quote from: pestdemon on May 26, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
I gave MENACE RUINE a listen at myspace, to me it sounded like any random unindustrial CMI-band, like Arcana or sth, with some metal guitars. Not bad, though.
yeah you're right, i've just "Cult of ruins" cd ("process of bestialization" & "dove instinct" tracks on myspace page), listening to the other tracks seems like they changed style a little bit...
I thought the Menace Ruine tape on Tour De Garde was really good but the two CDs not so much. The tape is more raw and more interesting with a mix of doom metal, black metal and noise and just a hint of psych.
Mysticum is the first band that comes into my mind. In the Streams of Inferno is amagnificent opus, industrial wibe in certain parts, and really fast guitar riffs. For example song The Rest has fantastic drum machine, love the sound. I also enjoy their demo set Lost Masters of Universe, not as industrial'ish as In the Streams... but surely raw as Hell. Drum machines pounding...
Mysticum has no real "Industrial" Tones, more like Drumcomputer installed, but they were early with that stuff. Mz412 is a example i think, but they have separated the Noisy/"Industrial" Parts and the BM Parts mostly. I would say Ildjarn Nocturnal Visions is for Noise BM a good example, cause the First/Last Track sounds really noisy and it fits with the rest of the music.
maybe brad has some point even if there are a bunch of bm bands with modern themes: aborym, black lodge and of course the near perfect diapsiquir for example but this style seems to be question of guys really wanting it to exist. fellows who like noise etc and bm really wanting them to merge.
im sure with time there be more and more of BiM maybe some will be even good. I have a feeling that there will be more musical indusrial aswell so I guess it would be "natural" that guys also into black metal will put their influences in those bands.
im not sure how many no gitar bm bands there are( I know some that have been in the making for some time) and there would be room for industriel and noisy stuff in the mix once the buzzing guitars are taken out.
edit: oh and some speculated on the approach as well, an intresting subject. out of the really noisy stuff ive heard theres definetly bone awl mimmickry going on since I have failed to hear any melodies and such. ildjarn has a lot of great tunes and riffs not just banga banga banga songs. von could also be an influence but again its not just banging away even if it is simple.
Quote from: Brad on May 27, 2010, 07:42:07 AMWhere is a fusion of the two going to take you?
Quite a few BM groups get into an "urban" theme with their tracks; Blut Aus Nord spring instantly to mind. Also, I'd say the Satanic imagery would cross over well.
Darkspace from Switzerland. Very good in my opinion both in the metal and in the industrail/ambient department.
Live were a big disappointment but probably due to technical problems
http://www.myspace.com/darkcyberspace
I was personally little annoyed by Darkspaces backstabbing behavior against other bm bands. Like refusing to play at same shows, since they consider some band "nazis", even if there is no such content in their songs. Simply out of wishes to semi-mainstream success, you stab other bands of your tour on their backs. Does this affect the music? Don't know, but it does make me wonder if exclusively space themed 80's synth muzak combined with some "shoegaze" (?) is black metal? Perhaps it can be, but at least when band played in Finland, I think 2 hours set was praised by some, insulted by some. Warm up bands included more kraut/psyche rock band and one suicidal bm band and kind of indicates the severe cross-over nature of project. Being my subjective impression.
Quote from: pestdemon on May 26, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
QuoteAnd then the hipsterized raw bm, which is pretty much like crustpunk meets harsh noise, yet carries very little if any real connection to black metal other than marketing tactics and lazy reference to Bone Awls and Ildjarn
Yeah, what's up with that? Any specific bands you refer to?
Well, you take the followers of Bone Awl, the whole new scene of "black punk"/"blackened crust" type of stuff. I try to do my best to not get involved in it. I think we'd need someone... perhaps mr. Hum of The Druid who may have had displeasure to see more of that to remind some of the names?
In general, you can say that bands who aren't in any way "metal". And who may pack their demo in american tapes style spray painted cover. It's sold as raw black metal, yet there isn't black nor metal, just raw bedroom/basement punk. But if it was called that, nobody would care. Nowadays you can find anything. Unblackmetal for christian purposes. Red & Anarchist bm. Crust/punk sold as black metal, and so on. When you just apply enough distortion, you call it black metal. Which seems like utterly idiotic reference as if main characteristic of bm would be saturation & distortion.
It makes you wonder what is so cool about this term, but so wrong about itself, that every musical approach and every ideological direction has to be tagged with the brand and expect it still be "bm". If it's not metal, it's not black metal. It is that simple. If its distorted music about feminism & animal rights, there are some other names for it than "bm".
Therefore even if I expect the fusion of bm/industrial, I'm also little sceptical. You know, what is this Skullflower or his side projects doing "black metal"? Oh please. You listen the material and it's same as it always was. Fierce guitar feedback and distorted harmony of lo-fi guitars. How is that black metal?
I think nowadays it is predominantly marketing scam. Having raw guitar in your noise/drone/postpunk/... is nothing new. To use old english font and call it bm seems easy extra points what you otherwise won't get. So I rather expect blackmetal-industrial fusion to come from "BM scene" and from BM musicians, than from indie kids.
I have to partly agree with Mikko. This new wave of Raw Black Metal, I don't quite know what to think about. Sound wise i enjoy quite a few of the project's. Best ones would be Sump, Grinning Death's Head and aforementioned Bone Awl, which I also feel all can be qualified as black metal. But some of the bands coming out of this scene seems to be nothing but Hardcore in disguise. I mean people coming from inner cities USA should have as much right to play BM as any Norwegian/Finn. And how you present you're band with packaging and the likes should not be limited to corpse paint, forests and inverted crosses/pentagrams. But when the content has basically nothing to do to do with devil worship/occult matters but rather personal issues and the likes and the presentation/sound is closer to that of indierock and old fashioned hardcore I feel the need to label it BM is because it has stronger effect than "HC with members of Charles Bronson"
Denmark's own SexDrome has gotten quite a rep in that scene, but I know for a fact that they put much emphasis on still being a Punk band, that may just draw on some ildjarn influence, Seeing them play will BTW cancel most of the BM connection as the live situation will remind you a lot more of something like The Stooges or Eyehategod.
Then again Clandestine Blaze or Akitsa might not have strong satanic lyrical content. But IMO these units stills is 100% Black Metal as they have always presented themselves in such manner, both sound and aesthetic wise.
I am yet to hear any Black Industrial Metal band that is more than just second rate BM with gabba drums
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
I was personally little annoyed by Darkspaces backstabbing behavior against other bm bands. Like refusing to play at same shows, since they consider some band "nazis", even if there is no such content in their songs. Simply out of wishes to semi-mainstream success, you stab other bands of your tour on their backs. Does this affect the music? Don't know, but it does make me wonder if exclusively space themed 80's synth muzak combined with some "shoegaze" (?) is black metal? Perhaps it can be, but at least when band played in Finland, I think 2 hours set was praised by some, insulted by some. Warm up bands included more kraut/psyche rock band and one suicidal bm band and kind of indicates the severe cross-over nature of project. Being my subjective impression.
Don't know the guys behind it, but I am close to ther avantgard guys, will ask for hints regarding this.
They come from Switzerland after all where antifas and other lobbies are a real pain in the ass attacking gigs of "ambiguous" projects even if they were vanilla.
I can highly recommend the Norwegian band Utarm. I would not say that they exaktly fit in the description of Black Industrial Metal, but I think that their very original mixture of BM, Noise/Industrial/Drone and Experimental sounds/elements leaves many bands in the same genres/styles far far behind. It´s very atmospheric and at the same time very unpleasant and malign.
Sten Ove Toft of Roggbiff records is related to this formation in one way or the other.
http://www.myspace.com/utarm
http://www.utarm.net
The Problem is the Masses at those Combinations. If there would be some real interested People, who make Black Metal Industrial, thats fucking great. But i see more some Neofolk/Noise/Alternative People who jumps on the Black Metal Train and on the other side lots of Black Metal Guys wanna be cool with some stupid Drumsounds in the Music to impress a bunch of Kiddi Girlies. I miss the Impression and Vision behind the Music on that. I don't think that everybody can be all. There are Crosspoints, but as a Black metaller i think you can't be at the same time a HipHoper for example.
Quote from: Ashley Choke on May 27, 2010, 12:13:02 PM
Denmark's own SexDrome has gotten quite a rep in that scene, but I know for a fact that they put much emphasis on still being a Punk band, that may just draw on some ildjarn influence, Seeing them play will BTW cancel most of the BM connection as the live situation will remind you a lot more of something like The Stooges or Eyehategod.
My band played with them in Denmark, and I was surprised to hear something more akin to a slower Birthday Party sound then the "night of Black Metal" that the gig flier promised. I don't know if the band labels themselves BM or if that's the fault of others, but I didn't detect a single note of Black Metal at that show or on the recording.
Quote from: pestdemon on May 26, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
QuoteAnd then the hipsterized raw bm, which is pretty much like crustpunk meets harsh noise, yet carries very little if any real connection to black metal other than marketing tactics and lazy reference to Bone Awls and Ildjarn
Yeah, what's up with that? Any specific bands you refer to?
Would be interesting to hear the melodic side of BM fused with industrial noises, but to manage that would require a musician to master not one but two very different genres, which in itself is quite rare... Anyone can punch out a three-tone Ildjarn-primitive riff, but something like Transilvanian Hunger takes compositional skills.
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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
I was personally little annoyed by Darkspaces backstabbing behavior against other bm bands. Like refusing to play at same shows, since they consider some band "nazis", even if there is no such content in their songs. Simply out of wishes to semi-mainstream success, you stab other bands of your tour on their backs. Does this affect the music? Don't know, but it does make me wonder if exclusively space themed 80's synth muzak combined with some "shoegaze" (?) is black metal? Perhaps it can be, but at least when band played in Finland, I think 2 hours set was praised by some, insulted by some. Warm up bands included more kraut/psyche rock band and one suicidal bm band and kind of indicates the severe cross-over nature of project. Being my subjective impression.
Quote from: pestdemon on May 26, 2010, 02:33:56 PM
QuoteAnd then the hipsterized raw bm, which is pretty much like crustpunk meets harsh noise, yet carries very little if any real connection to black metal other than marketing tactics and lazy reference to Bone Awls and Ildjarn
Yeah, what's up with that? Any specific bands you refer to?
Well, you take the followers of Bone Awl, the whole new scene of "black punk"/"blackened crust" type of stuff. I try to do my best to not get involved in it. I think we'd need someone... perhaps mr. Hum of The Druid who may have had displeasure to see more of that to remind some of the names?
I may be able to name off a handful. Bone Awl and of course Ildjarn are the two leaders of the group, so it seems, but their is some decent to great stuff besides them which doesn't get mentioned much and some of it features members right in our own backyard. For example bands such as Sump and White Medal (featuring George of Mutant Ape), Ride At Dawn which has Ryan Bloomer, Akitsa who's older stuff dips around in Noise a lot (features the sole member of awesome Noise machine know as Ames Sanglantes) and Roman Cross and Devils Dung both of which have Dom from Prurient. As someone else mentioned Denmark has been pumping plenty of material like this out in the past year, I would point to Luciation and Garrotte first and foremost.
For melody you can't go wrong with all Torture Chain material and Furdidurke's
November Reh as well as their 2010 cassette.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 25, 2010, 09:46:27 PM
I've said it many times, and I do say it still, that if someone would do GOOD combination of nordic bm & deathindustrial/power electronics, I'd be glad to hear it. Like Con-Dom JESUS PENIS meets TRANSILVANIAN HUNGER. Unfortunately, I have never heard, and doubt I will. It would be hard to keep industrial side being more than intro/special effect. And metal to sound somehow interesting when buried in layers of fierce noise.
Not really "Nordic styled BM" but you should check out Dead Times who do some amazing Industrial, with hints of PE and BM mixed in: http://www.myspace.com/thislifehasfailedus
Also Pogromnacht who, in my opinion, pulled it off except they mixed lo-fi Power Electronics, Harsh Noise and NSBM and it sounds great. Bands like Wold (who are almost 100% Noise now), Drifting Collision, Venowl, Torturkammer and Altars should also be mentioned just for those who are interested in hearing the wide spectrum of Noisy BM. Whether they care if it is "hip" or not, if you like the sounds then that is all that should matter.
With Noise it is no real problem after all. Take a Fourth Degree Black Metal band and record in their local rehearsal room, you have for sure a nice Noise Tape. But mostly its labeled with "Industrial" and thats where i wonder about.
As example, its what i found just in time:
http://www.myspace.com/weltbrand
Where is this Music "Industrial"?
Hear Song :
End of Transmission
Beginning of Channeling Black Energy
The Axis of Perdition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27LFm9zHhp8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1TAlK7kFIs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9zIDD9dOcs&feature=related
No one's mentioned MZ-412 yet?
In any case, I'd propose NDE, which, from what I can hear, cross over Industrial and BM elements quite successfully.
Was listening to Wold's L.O.T.M.P. today and think that can also qualify. The factors being the vicious, crude-as-sin distortion on both guitar and synth and the loose, abrasive use of vocals. It leans more to BM than Industrial but has a nice, rough and gutteral feel that fits a lot of the kind of Industrial/Noise/PE I prefer. My only misgiving is I don't think it lasts the distance; very samey throughout.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 01, 2010, 06:17:12 AM
No one's mentioned MZ-412 yet?
There is no metal (as in metal music, not metal junk/industrial noises) in Mz.412's music. I can think of only 1 track which has some bm elements:
Feasting On Khristian Blood, and it's one of their shittiest tracks imho.
I think the idea of mixing industrial noise/power electronics with black metal is terrible, and I can't even begin to imagine any scenario where something good can come out of such mix, especially if it's
norsecore kind of bm.
Perhaps something like Revenge or Bestial Warlust with some feedback abuse and some minimal heavy electronics... but I guess that wouldn't work either.
And I'm with F.A.F. in regards to the punk/crust stuff passing as bm, that shit is like the hipster noise of black metal. Only Ildjarn is real!
Quote from: drunk on June 03, 2010, 10:32:56 PMI think the idea of mixing industrial noise/power electronics with black metal is terrible
Quote from: drunk on June 03, 2010, 10:32:56 PM
There is no metal (as in metal music, not metal junk/industrial noises) in Mz.412's music. I can think of only 1 track which has some bm elements: Feasting On Khristian Blood, and it's one of their shittiest tracks imho.
The track itself is garbage. But if we're going to even think about a mix between Black Metal and Industrial, MZ.412 have to be acknowleged as being one of the main instigators. Doesn't matter what you think of the project.
The possibilities for mixing Black Metal with Industrial, PE and/or Noise exist, and what I've heard of the attempts, I've liked. Once can pick nits out of which project "doesn't have enough metal" or "enough Noise" or what have you, but mixing genres and styles doesn't have to be completely clear cut. I would think the feeling and ethos of either style can be used as much as actual sound.
Abruptum just came to mind as well. Ostenstibly Black Metal but playing Noise. Stalaggh are another example.
I have not heard many black metal bands that have industrial by definition, here's some bands that may work:
Psyclon Nine
Dethcentrik
and try Mayhem's "Grand Declaration of War" and Dimmu Borgir's "Death Cult Armageddon."
I didn't read too much into this, I am just mentioning that's all I know of, finding a fusion so specific will be difficult. Period. Trying to label a band to start with is what gets the unique ones crap...
Decreto K
http://www.myspace.com/kdecreto
(the guy behind VLF videos, i guess someone reminds him and his flicks on the other/previous forum)
and some stuff from Trips & Traume label (Ius Primae Noctis, for example)
I wouldnt describe "Aborym" as industrial black metal, their electronic sounds are much more on an harsh ebm side rather than noise or industrial
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Well, you take the followers of Bone Awl, the whole new scene of "black punk"/"blackened crust" type of stuff. I try to do my best to not get involved in it. I think we'd need someone... perhaps mr. Hum of The Druid who may have had displeasure to see more of that to remind some of the names?
In general, you can say that bands who aren't in any way "metal". And who may pack their demo in american tapes style spray painted cover. It's sold as raw black metal, yet there isn't black nor metal, just raw bedroom/basement punk. But if it was called that, nobody would care. Nowadays you can find anything. Unblackmetal for christian purposes. Red & Anarchist bm. Crust/punk sold as black metal, and so on. When you just apply enough distortion, you call it black metal. Which seems like utterly idiotic reference as if main characteristic of bm would be saturation & distortion.
It makes you wonder what is so cool about this term, but so wrong about itself, that every musical approach and every ideological direction has to be tagged with the brand and expect it still be "bm". If it's not metal, it's not black metal. It is that simple. If its distorted music about feminism & animal rights, there are some other names for it than "bm".
Therefore even if I expect the fusion of bm/industrial, I'm also little sceptical. You know, what is this Skullflower or his side projects doing "black metal"? Oh please. You listen the material and it's same as it always was. Fierce guitar feedback and distorted harmony of lo-fi guitars. How is that black metal?
I think nowadays it is predominantly marketing scam. Having raw guitar in your noise/drone/postpunk/... is nothing new. To use old english font and call it bm seems easy extra points what you otherwise won't get. So I rather expect blackmetal-industrial fusion to come from "BM scene" and from BM musicians, than from indie kids.
Most (but not all) "raw" black metal coming out on tape in the US is about on the same level and I try to keep it at my periphery, but the cheapest offender would have to be something like Grinning Death's Head.... name taken from a Bone Awl song, songs taken from... Bone Awl songs. I think people are so excited by the prospect of a "new scene" they overlook quality of work, nothing new, but on principle alone it's beyond me how a Grinning Death's Head crossed the radar.
You have a lot of people who have already "established" themselves elsewhere getting involved in black metal in the US... mainly from hardcore groups or noise or both. Something along the lines of a "record nerd with a dark side" atmosphere. I don't see this as a big deal, but it's totally acceptable to be suspicious when you hear about "______'s black metal band"... or when magazines do entire articles about some "unexpected" person's interest in black metal. The only thing more pretentious than black metal is this strange leftfield-meets-leftwing conspiracy to control it.
I've said a lot about "black noise" on the other PE board, but the main problem that only seems to get worse with time is that the "black" is usually a reference to black metal and not a more organic idea. It's no different than calling a band "heavy noise", with "heavy" actually referring to heavy metal. I hate that type of shit. There have been good dark and even black noise releases but how often is it anything more than an aesthetic trick, or worse, just an excuse to use the "infamy" of black metal as a marketing tool? At that point it doesn't make a different whether it's coming from the "bm scene" or the indie rock vampires.
Quote from: LIFE on June 22, 2010, 12:18:33 AMMost (but not all) "raw" black metal coming out on tape in the US is about on the same level and I try to keep it at my periphery, but the cheapest offender would have to be something like Grinning Death's Head.... name taken from a Bone Awl song, songs taken from... Bone Awl songs. I think people are so excited by the prospect of a "new scene" they overlook quality of work, nothing new, but on principle alone it's beyond me how a Grinning Death's Head crossed the radar.
Have to agree, as far as GDH are concerned; there's nothing BM about them. It's a somewhat carefully manufactured sound, in fact, despite the "rawness". Considering the great ease with which recording something "raw" is concerned, it seems that it's that singular quality that over-rides anything else. It's just another scene that, at the moment, is ascending and it will only be when it contracts that anyone will be able to see which of these bands/projects are worth anything in the long run.
I picked up the reissues of the 95 and 96 albums by Mz.412, I like Folkstorm, is there anything similar to this that doesn't involve Henrik at all?
something between this and The Axis Of Peridition.
I have recently came to appreciate Disiplin from Sweden have strong industrial/noise influences, often very chaotic which is something I really appreciate.
The influence (or overuse) of BM as a label must of course be linked to its general trendiness. Being a longtime follower of crust I thought it was quite peculiar when overtly BM influences found its way in. There have always been metal in crust of course - from Amebix-derived bands like Misery and Axegrinder and onward, and Venom or bathory has always been a huge influence on a lot of bands and people I know, but when I was a kid the connections to "black metal" as a subculture was quite difficult and best avoided out of ideological reasons. Perhaps it was different in other countries, I wouldn't know. Of course, now the mainstream assimilation of BM has washed all sense of threat and ideology away (at least in the public eye) which makes it accessible for anyone who wants it. Just like when you talk to people who believe punk was only this rock'n'roll thing which ended with the Sex Pistols, as if DIY-culture never happened. With old time legends buying in to the hype and enjoy the newfound fame (one must assume) and so the whole thing becomes justified and everyone believing that the view on black metal always was this friendly clownmusic with face paint. I do agree with the idea that you should, as an "underground" scene avoid all attempts at appropriation by "manstream channels" but I don't think it can be done completely.
Now I think this is very much part of the postideological ironical-liberal hegemony - where nothing is real, nothing is serious and everything is a product for consumption. Some people become profoundly shocked when they realise there are actual "nazis" (or people with any kind of sincere belief, left right or nada) playing music, doing art etc - since culture is perceived as the domain of liberal flimsiness and simple ironic flirtations.
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on August 21, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
I picked up the reissues of the 95 and 96 albums by Mz.412, I like Folkstorm, is there anything similar to this that doesn't involve Henrik at all?
something between this and The Axis Of Peridition.
not even one recommendation? geez...
Quote from: Unheard on June 16, 2010, 02:01:20 PM
I wouldnt describe "Aborym" as industrial black metal, their electronic sounds are much more on an harsh ebm side rather than noise or industrial
I was about to mention Aborym, but you are kind of right, I wouldn't say "EBM" though, more like electro industrial and IDM is what you can find in their music, I think "with no human intervention" it's a great album, I love it, (whatever style you want to call it) but i can see that's not the kind of "industrial sound" people in this thread is looking for.
I also thought about Abigor's "Fractal possesion" but that might be considered just Bm with electronic influences.
I am not want to self-promote this, but I read the topic, and I'd like to show you these two tracks abot the topic. These are mainly contains metal noises, synth, junk noise with distorted mic, blastbeats/fast guitar riffs, and black metal vocals. First track have some melody in the beginning, it's mainly feedbacks/metals with the generic black metal sound. At the end of the track, a P.E.-like vocal part, than a chaotic, wall-like ending. Drum machine, but with a normal speed, not inhuman at all (270-250 BPM). When I maked these tracks, I was in that concept that the mixture of noise and black metal should be similar to this. Not some extremely distorted guitar and than call it "noise". Black Noise for me is black metal with noise layers, and sound. Now I started to abandon this sound, and I want to create more P.E./H.N. only stuff, with the remains of differently executed Black Metal vocals. Maybe someone will like these tracks..
http://halalnihil.bandcamp.com/track/llatk-nz-k-gyerekgyilkosok-visszat-r-lmok
http://halalnihil.bandcamp.com/track/iron-rain-on-your-fathers-grave
Quote from: LIFE on June 22, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 27, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Well, you take the followers of Bone Awl, the whole new scene of "black punk"/"blackened crust" type of stuff. I try to do my best to not get involved in it. I think we'd need someone... perhaps mr. Hum of The Druid who may have had displeasure to see more of that to remind some of the names?
In general, you can say that bands who aren't in any way "metal". And who may pack their demo in american tapes style spray painted cover. It's sold as raw black metal, yet there isn't black nor metal, just raw bedroom/basement punk. But if it was called that, nobody would care. Nowadays you can find anything. Unblackmetal for christian purposes. Red & Anarchist bm. Crust/punk sold as black metal, and so on. When you just apply enough distortion, you call it black metal. Which seems like utterly idiotic reference as if main characteristic of bm would be saturation & distortion.
It makes you wonder what is so cool about this term, but so wrong about itself, that every musical approach and every ideological direction has to be tagged with the brand and expect it still be "bm". If it's not metal, it's not black metal. It is that simple. If its distorted music about feminism & animal rights, there are some other names for it than "bm".
Therefore even if I expect the fusion of bm/industrial, I'm also little sceptical. You know, what is this Skullflower or his side projects doing "black metal"? Oh please. You listen the material and it's same as it always was. Fierce guitar feedback and distorted harmony of lo-fi guitars. How is that black metal?
I think nowadays it is predominantly marketing scam. Having raw guitar in your noise/drone/postpunk/... is nothing new. To use old english font and call it bm seems easy extra points what you otherwise won't get. So I rather expect blackmetal-industrial fusion to come from "BM scene" and from BM musicians, than from indie kids.
Most (but not all) "raw" black metal coming out on tape in the US is about on the same level and I try to keep it at my periphery, but the cheapest offender would have to be something like Grinning Death's Head.... name taken from a Bone Awl song, songs taken from... Bone Awl songs. I think people are so excited by the prospect of a "new scene" they overlook quality of work, nothing new, but on principle alone it's beyond me how a Grinning Death's Head crossed the radar.
You have a lot of people who have already "established" themselves elsewhere getting involved in black metal in the US... mainly from hardcore groups or noise or both. Something along the lines of a "record nerd with a dark side" atmosphere. I don't see this as a big deal, but it's totally acceptable to be suspicious when you hear about "______'s black metal band"... or when magazines do entire articles about some "unexpected" person's interest in black metal. The only thing more pretentious than black metal is this strange leftfield-meets-leftwing conspiracy to control it.
I've said a lot about "black noise" on the other PE board, but the main problem that only seems to get worse with time is that the "black" is usually a reference to black metal and not a more organic idea. It's no different than calling a band "heavy noise", with "heavy" actually referring to heavy metal. I hate that type of shit. There have been good dark and even black noise releases but how often is it anything more than an aesthetic trick, or worse, just an excuse to use the "infamy" of black metal as a marketing tool? At that point it doesn't make a different whether it's coming from the "bm scene" or the indie rock vampires.
I'm a fairly recent convert to bm, about 7 years now and I'm 30. But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.
too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.
im dusting off a few anaal nathrak cds. I remember it being quite extreme in 2001. ill report back.
EDIT: sounds like shit
Quote from: kettu on September 07, 2012, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.
too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.
im dusting off a few anaal nathrak cds. I remember it being quite extreme in 2001. ill report back.
EDIT: sounds like shit
I honestly never liked them, waste of time
the demo collection had some moments but I cant recomend the other stuff I had bought back in the day.
Quote from: kettu on September 07, 2012, 02:08:14 AM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on September 07, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
But I'm very suspicious of this left-wing
Invasion of bm. Black metal isn't supposed to be about life-affirming bullshit.
too right. destroy your life for satan NOT lets eat vegan curry.
It could be up to debate.
First of all, what is "life affirming" and then, how more evil or "satanic" would be in submission for general traits of modern self loathing popular culture.
I wouldn't find the true nature of BM from either quoted approaches (DYLFS vs. vegan curry). There has always certainly been much more than accepting christian & humanist views of life - and then praising its dullest and most simpleminded "opposite".
I'm not at all surprised that the drug fueled and self loathing "black industrial metal" or shallow visual candy wrapper often appears like the rave party for contemporary faggots. Thematics appear to demand it and the ground where it sinks is very fertile. Unfortunately.
I do wait the moment when there is someone who can combine musical elements of Sutcliffe Jugend, Burzum and Test Dept. I have no interest for the nu-metal meets EBM type of stuff where all elements come from (according to my tastes) the worst sides of metal and electronic music.
I was being more provocative than laying down the law on how things ought to be.
DYLFS at least in how I see it is a poetic way to describe how one has chosen to live. not taking part in so called regular life and the things that go with it or at the very least being aware of your own motives and the fact that they are not in line with whats going on around you.
not literally being a junkie cutter but more of breaking behavioural codes in the hive or pack mentality to be an individual and then channeling that into something.
the music obviously needs to sound evil, I think you can tell if it is absent.
Beherit's electronic albums contain some really good ideas about mixing metal and electronic/industrial music, IMO.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmlqvQWoAc
And think about replacing some more synthetic parts with howling feedback, and some of the rhythms with Militia-type percussion. Could work! (Although, I find this perfect just as it is...)
Quote from: kettu on September 11, 2012, 06:32:42 AM
I was being more provocative than laying down the law on how things ought to be.
DYLFS at least in how I see it is a poetic way to describe how one has chosen to live. not taking part in so called regular life and the things that go with it or at the very least being aware of your own motives and the fact that they are not in line with whats going on around you.
not literally being a junkie cutter but more of breaking behavioural codes in the hive or pack mentality to be an individual and then channeling that into something.
Of course I realized your sentence carries provocation or lets say even humor, heh, but it doesn't change the reality that such posturing has become one quite dominant element in contemporary BM. Where acceptance of many christian and/or humanist views forms the fertile ground for making simple minded assumption that their "opposite" would really be opposite - while it really remains merely very essence of same corrupted mindset.
When thinking of the sound of majority of "industrial BM", it become quite evident that the hedonistic rave/disco and "cybernetic" developments play crucial role, while from point of view of trad euro BM with faustian / luciferian / pagan / NS / etc traits one could assume more suitable influence would be found from apocalyptic post-industrial and lets say "ritual music".
jep, I agree with all of that.
theres clearly fertile ground there as I at least see clear connections with industrial and tribal elements. and theres so much juice there compared to raves and these other nonsense. maybe ibm(heh heh) will realize its full potential in years to come.
edit: when I was thinking about these themes I had an acid flashback about Anapthergal-aaria kuolemasta release. tribal elements, heavy ambient, weirdo bm vibes. I think I had it as files at some point but I cant find them.
Could the bm cognoscenti here offer me some advise please? There's this festival coming up in November where Arktau Eos are performing among (what I assume are) a bunch of bm and related bands. See festival lineup in a post in the gig thread (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2754.0). Apart from some first generation bm (Darkthrone, Mayhem, etc) I'm really ignorant about this scene, still I'm considering going just to get a chance to see Arktau Eos on Swedish soil, since it's happening just an hour's drive away. So based on the participating bands, are there any of'em that I really shouldn't miss if I decide to go?
I think this festival is good when you like black metal. Aosoth is good live (though I don't own any of their records), Ofermod's Tiamtü is an album I really like. The last Hetroertzen album, which I just bought, is really good as well (don't know about their other stuff though). Nawaharjan has some tracks up on youtube from an upcoming release and that's very good Black Metal as well. Draugurinn is dark ambient, heard some of her tracks, some are good, other are less interesting from what I remember. Myling is dark folky Black Metal like Isengard, from the few tracks I heard I liked some and some are less interesting. Saturnalia Temple is Stoner/Doom, got some friends who really like them.
So, yes, I think it's a decent looking fest.