Does anyone have any info (contact, interviews, whatever, literally anything!) about David Rodgers, the guy behind Brethren, Organized Resistance, Revolutionary Command, etc??? 'Day of the Rope' is absolutely my favorite power electronics album but I can't find anything on this dude....
here's an interview from 2010... http://www.plaguehaus.com/home/2010/10/07/brethren/
Interviews exists in couple 'zines.
Planned is LP versions of both album and CD collecting 10"+7"+comp track. Everything is sold out from me, some stuff has been sold out long time. This would complete all discography to be available for a while.
here is another interview. http://www.terror.lt/news/78/61/Brethren.html (http://www.terror.lt/news/78/61/Brethren.html)
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 01, 2014, 09:54:30 AM
CD collecting 10"+7"+comp track.
YES!!!!
I have 10" and 7" but... Can't wait!
Don't buy vinyls anymore due to present economical situation but i'm willing to buy the CD collection as i own both Brethren CDs. If he has also any unreleased tracks, it'll be great as additions to that.
hope there will another Full Album out sometime. Great Project after all
I've been trying to get a copy of the VHS he put out years ago, everything I've heard just seems to be getting better and better!
Hail Brethren!
Vinyl versions still planned for Brethren albums?
Apart from the CD collection 10" + 7" + comp. track, i really wish for a CD reissue of Revolutionary Command's New Era LP.
All these are under plans.. just delayed. There has been t-shirt under work, as well as comp cd of 7"/10"/zionist axiom. He is still around, I would guess same email as been printed in releases should work.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 14, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
All these are under plans.. just delayed. There has been t-shirt under work, as well as comp cd of 7"/10"/zionist axiom. He is still around, I would guess same email as been printed in releases should work.
Interested in the shirt, too.
Is there a reason why vinyl versions of this stuff fell through?
Artist did not want any further releases and I respect that. I still have permission to keep tape editions available if someone writes and asks, but nothing is at the store.
Oh dear. I hope he's not renouncing his work, or anything?!
Not at all. There is variety of reasons why artists don't want their old stuff reissued, even if not regretting.
I think it's just really hard these days for neo-nazis. One day it's "Jews will not replace us" and the next it's "wow! these Zionists really know how to genocide! Wish I was Israeli!"
Quote from: Bigsby on May 07, 2024, 05:43:12 PMI think it's just really hard these days for neo-nazis. One day it's "Jews will not replace us" and the next it's "wow! these Zionists really know how to genocide! Wish I was Israeli!"
Jews and Muslims killing each other, Leftists spreading antisemitism, random guy on the internet thinks neo-nazis have hard days ...
Sorry, i couldnt hold my tongue.
Quote from: Theodore on May 07, 2024, 06:48:33 PMQuote from: Bigsby on May 07, 2024, 05:43:12 PMI think it's just really hard these days for neo-nazis. One day it's "Jews will not replace us" and the next it's "wow! these Zionists really know how to genocide! Wish I was Israeli!"
Jews and Muslims killing each other, Leftists spreading antisemitism, random guy on the internet thinks neo-nazis have hard days
Sorry, i couldnt hold my tongue.
Well that's exactly what I'm saying. this clusterfuck makes strange allies. I know in America you have things like MAGA retards who claim they'd vote for Vladimir Putin before Joe Biden, and southern frat boy racists mocking anti-Zionists, queers defending Hammas,neo-nazis and zionists attacking kids who want to stop genocide, and nazi fanboys saying things like "oh dear."
Our liberal American media could care less about supposed liberal issues like dead kids or war crimes, just acts of anti semitism at college campus protests.
Bottom line, Israel operates in ways that any guy who beat on a cardboard box while screaming his guts out about the Zionist Axiom must deep down respect and admire and envy and so badly want to belong to hahaha
Quote from: Bigsby on May 07, 2024, 05:43:12 PMI think it's just really hard these days for neo-nazis. One day it's "Jews will not replace us" and the next it's "wow! these Zionists really know how to genocide! Wish I was Israeli!"
I don't understand this post. Isn't it still and only "Jews will not replace us"? Is there an assumption that some neo-nazis must be synonymously in line with whomever is committing genocide, therefore in support of whomever acts out genocide by default, even if it's their "enemy"...
I just think neo-nazis, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be, must be jealous of the uniforms and the ethnic cleansing and wish they could belong to something -anything as real as this, instead of their sophomoric fantasies. Where's the Hardline Israeli PE anyway.
Quote from: Bigsby on May 08, 2024, 02:42:46 AMI just think neo-nazis, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be, must be jealous of the uniforms and the ethnic cleansing and wish they could get their shit together like them. Where's the Hardline Israeli PE anyway.
What I'm not understanding I guess is that you see Neo-nazism as simply just a group of people who want to engage in ethinic cleansing or genocide, like as if nazism is synonymous with genocide and nothing else, isn't there more to nazism than simply just genocide? I think that's a pretty narrow generalization, no?
Although it's a shame that the releases won't get a vinyl treatment, I am happy that the artists wishes are being respected. I will have to track down the CD's.
I always heard conflicting reports about Brethren, that he did believe the things he sang/wrote about, that he didn't believe those things and it was a critique on America/racial politics. I guess it's what makes the project more interesting, not knowing exactly where the performer lies.
Quote from: excruciation on May 08, 2024, 03:29:34 AMAlthough it's a shame that the releases won't get a vinyl treatment, I am happy that the artists wishes are being respected. I will have to track down the CD's.
I always heard conflicting reports about Brethren, that he did believe the things he sang/wrote about, that he didn't believe those things and it was a critique on America/racial politics. I guess it's what makes the project more interesting, not knowing exactly where the performer lies.
Yeah that's exactly right and what makes things interesting as well. His projects have always kind of come off to me in that way too. It's just a critique of it and the listener can form their own theory to it or whatever despite where he might actually stand, often times it seems as if listeners want lump artists into some default poltical category and I think that's just to simple, because in reality it can be more complicated or complex than simply just being a cheerleader for one side or another. It goes back to that sentiment of it's not what to think, but how think kind of ideals.
Quote from: Bigsby on May 08, 2024, 02:42:46 AMI just think neo-nazis, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be, must be jealous of the uniforms and the ethnic cleansing and wish they could get their shit together like them. Where's the Hardline Israeli PE anyway.
Barzel was basically zionist PE
Fair enough. The joke is, imagine how confusing it is to be a dumb as shit radicalized American now. Timothy McVeigh's head would explode.
Quote from: Bigsby on May 08, 2024, 02:42:46 AMI just think neo-nazis, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be, must be jealous of the uniforms and the ethnic cleansing and wish they could belong to something -anything as real as this, instead of their sophomoric fantasies. Where's the Hardline Israeli PE anyway.
A social social justice warrior on Power Electronics forum, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on May 08, 2024, 03:37:34 AMoften times it seems as if listeners want lump artists into some default poltical category and I think that's just to simple,
I agree, and it seems even more absurd to me in a field like power electronics. Reflecting, even in an ambiguous/provocative way, on sensitive topics is part of the very essence of the genre. Whether or not the author is a neo-Nazi is the least interesting fact here.
Coming down to music, aside from Brethren I have excellent memories of his side project, Organized Resistance.
The Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.
Quote from: LigmaEnigma on May 08, 2024, 11:21:59 AMThe Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.
Maybe yes, maybe no. My point is that it doesn't matter that much.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on May 08, 2024, 12:18:58 PMQuote from: LigmaEnigma on May 08, 2024, 11:21:59 AMThe Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.
Maybe yes, maybe no. My point is that it doesn't matter that much.
It doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?
QuoteWithout ambiguity, then, could you expose a bit of your state of mind? Is Brethren the exact expression of your personality? Would you call yourself a misanthrope? A white supremacist?
Yes, I would say Brethren is an exact expression of my personality. I do have other interests and moods, but Brethren only deals with topics that I find worthy of tackling. Brethren deals with many social topics such as race, homosexuality, disease, education and many others. I find certain races to have an overwhelming negative impact on certain societies. One only has to look to college campuses, where African Americans, who are blatant criminals, are studied as heroes, or the manner in which the media portrays weaker races as superior. Yet if any one person shows any signs of white solidarity they are considered racists and in any cases criminals.
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Homosexuality is another topic I deal with which has permeated our culture to an embarrassing level, especially among the left wing liberal media who look up to these subhumans simply because of their sexuality. I find homosexuals to be very similar to African Americans who live to be oppressed and by that I mean they cannot speak or write about anything besides their oppression. It has gotten to the point that homosexuals an dminorities are seen as nothing short of superior in our culture.
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I base much of my distaste for people on factual information, such as personal observation, statistics, etc. I do not uphold any paranoid philosophical views that certain white supremacists many times profess. I am a National Socialist.
From "Necrophonie" magazine. Can't remember the exact year or date but it was I think around the 2010's.
I'm not into the silly trollish anti-semitic stuff, I far prefer his earlier more serious, honest and politically meaningful work
ie the space-noise concept album about Micronauts toys
(https://i.imgur.com/45HXM8K.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5zBJdSM.jpg)
Quote from: Manhog_84 on May 08, 2024, 07:46:57 AMA social justice warrior on Power Electronics forum, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be.
"being a neo-nazi is bad and stupid' is not a 'social justice warrior' position it's a 'every normal person' position. (ok that's still a fairly unusual thing to be on a PE forum)
Quote from: LigmaEnigma on May 08, 2024, 01:20:13 PMIt doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?
I didn't say this.
What I meant was that (at least for me, there's no right or wrong here) it's not important whether the guy is a neo-Nazi or not, I'm interested in how the topic was addressed on the album.
When I hear a serial killer-themed album I don't ask myself whether the author wanted to glorify the killer or criticize him.
If the record documents reality, or a possible reality, or maybe just author's point of view on his particular reality, that's fine with me.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on May 08, 2024, 03:50:59 PMQuote from: LigmaEnigma on May 08, 2024, 01:20:13 PMIt doesn't matter much why an artist might have created a release?
I didn't say this.
What I meant was that (at least for me, there's no right or wrong here) it's not important whether the guy is a neo-Nazi or not, I'm interested in how the topic was addressed on the album.
When I hear a serial killer-themed album I don't ask myself whether the author wanted to glorify the killer or criticize him.
If the record documents reality, or a possible reality, or maybe just author's point of view on his particular reality, that's fine with me.
Without generalizing, the specific Brethren releases are clearly intended to convey some political message that was important to David Rodgers, through sound, visuals and lyrics in cohesion. So knowing how he related to the overt themes would deepen one's understanding of the releases. It's the listener's choice to speculate about or ignore Rodgers' motivations, but it's false to say that his intentions don't matter much in considering his works.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 04, 2024, 08:31:04 AMI still have permission to keep tape editions available if someone writes and asks, but nothing is at the store.
Maybe a dumb question, but does this mean that there's still tapes available in a more or less low-key, 'under-the-counter' kind of way where customers that explicitly ask are still able to buy a tape or two, even though they are
not officially listed in the webstore anymore? Or does this mean 'While I technically still have permission to sell the tapes, I simply have none available currently, even if customers write and ask'?
If it's the first option, that's good to know. Still missing
Savage Inequalities, fortunately do have
Alienated & Radicalized already. If my assumption is correct I would be happy to know, in which case I'll order some other stuff and make sure to contact you in private about the possibility to add a Brethren tape.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on May 08, 2024, 12:18:58 PMMaybe yes, maybe no.
wish i had saved it but he used to have a white power jogging blog. i highly doubt he wasn't a full blown rascist.
Quote from: BarbarianDeathCommand on May 08, 2024, 06:37:44 PMQuote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 04, 2024, 08:31:04 AMI still have permission to keep tape editions available if someone writes and asks, but nothing is at the store.
Maybe a dumb question, but does this mean that there's still tapes available in a more or less low-key, 'under-the-counter' kind of way where customers that explicitly ask are still able to buy a tape or two, even though they are not officially listed in the webstore anymore? Or does this mean 'While I technically still have permission to sell the tapes, I simply have none available currently, even if customers write and ask'?
Oh yes, but that applies to ANY release. I may have some spare copies of "officially sold out" titles I have put out. Not everything obviously, but some.
Some may know I also operate physical record store, and a lot of stuff that is not on webstore can be there. One looking for anything else, especially from Finnish underground music, can always drop e-mail and ask if something can be arranged. Reply may be "no", but also many things may be possible.
I do recall mr. Brethren regretted calling himself national socialist later on, simply because it was not accurate. He adjusted description later on. I'm cautious to put words into his mouth, but white nationalist of some sort is probably not too far going assumption. Especially, when thinking US tradition in right wing politics, idea of totalitarian state doesn't go very nicely along the ideals often present in american extreme right. Many times when american expression of national socialism is seen, it is more hollywood -esque costume party. That is not what Brethren was about, and especially in his later work, I would suppose lyrics speaks for themselves quite well.
About discussion in this topic, funny situations in chaotic conditions are not really exclusive for any particular political movement or particular subculture. One could easily pick up examples of rebel punks lining up in defense of multinational corporations or state control & medical industry, feminist struggling if they need to consider dude in dress as something else so they won't be committing social suicide, etc etc. Media telling dissemination of information is danger for free speech and democracy. Etc. Mostly, especially from perspective of industrial noise, its sort of absurdism one can view from slight distance without getting very emotional about any of it.
I would suggest topic stays related to Brethren's work. For generic discussion about daily politics or global crisis, I suggest using reddit or such.
Fair enough. Anyone have a review/rip of the Micronauts Electronics record? Timothy McVeigh viewed things through a strict Stars Wars lens, so maybe a deep dive into the Microverse would shed some light on Rodger's nuanced worldviews.
I like how in less than one day this thread was basically dredged up with all the political dross that fair enough would benefit places such as Reddit or college youth organizations. Throbbing Gristle had songs about ripping newborn babies off the bellies of pregnant women after torturing them and their husbands, and eating them. "Very friendly", right from the start. Some work from the early 80's is as disturbing as it could get in the later decades, wrought of hatred, violence and degradation. "Victimology 2" of Taint includes samples that makes one question whether or not one is doing good in not stopping the record player before becoming overwhelmed with perversity that transcends description. To be disturbed, or made uncomfortable to say the least, is not a negative thing in my opinion. Rather, it is part of the very essence of conflict that is the basis for the existence of things such as "laws" in our world. Be it emotionally or ideologically, being disturbed and dragged out of the comfort zone into the woods is always a great experience if one is able to manage the darkness not only on the outside world but within ourselves, and I can't think of a better music genre to evoke such as experiences as it is the case with PE.
That being said, I don't care about America, politics, or whatever is happening in the so-called "real" world.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 08, 2024, 08:45:25 PMQuote from: BarbarianDeathCommand on May 08, 2024, 06:37:44 PMQuote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 04, 2024, 08:31:04 AMAbout discussion in this topic, funny situations in chaotic conditions are not really exclusive for any particular political movement or particular subculture. One could easily pick up examples of rebel punks lining up in defense of multinational corporations or state control & medical industry, feminist struggling if they need to consider dude in dress as something else so they won't be committing social suicide, etc etc. Media telling dissemination of information is danger for free speech and democracy. Etc. Mostly, especially from perspective of industrial noise, its sort of absurdism one can view from slight distance without getting very emotional about any of it.
I think all your examples are in fact unsettling but also executed with good humor. But no one, no one is disturbed by Brethren. I bet that dude has zero sense of humor.
well, according to one post in this thread he had a white power jogging thing going so it seems like he has SOME sense of humor.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on May 08, 2024, 12:18:58 PMQuote from: LigmaEnigma on May 08, 2024, 11:21:59 AMThe Chosen feels unambiguously sincere.
Maybe yes, maybe no. My point is that it doesn't matter that much.
I'm with your sentiment 100%. None of this shit matters, not one bit! Why we are even discussing it on a noise forum is absurd to begin with and quite frankly I don't understand the people who are into PE/Noise or even Black Metal that try and attach this equity attitude given to a culture that is often rooted in misanthropy, should there be any surprise that maybe the genre has some extreme views at times from certain artists? I don't get that one bit and like you say it doesn't matter where the artist stands personally, it doesn't matter where they supposedly stand politically, art comes above all things first and foremost. It's not like the listener of Brethren has to engage in skinhead hooliganism now, if I listen to Richard Ramirez with highly gay sexual shit, doesn't mean I have to be queer now! I think a lot of this attitude of poking at an artists poltical views or beliefs is just a way for people to get triggered into something to bitch about out of boredom. I don't sincerely believe anyone gives the big shits they act like, they just act like they do now because "equity" ideas are the flavor of the week.
Brethren is as unambiguous as can be; the lyrics and imagery are based on common US right-wing ideas, expressed with passion, without perceivable irony or reservations.
One can avoid thinking about possibly uncomfortable aspects that can be found in the releases - like Rodgers' personal views - if he/she wants, but those aspects would persist regardless of the listener's preferences. That the artist's views don't matter is often expressed by those attempting to make politically unconventional artists more personally acceptable to listen to. With a deeply political artist like Brethren, whose views are integrated into his works, to try to distance the artist's views from his works would significantly impair one's understanding of his works.
I ended up publishing his works almost by accident. First album as well as 10" was supposed to be on other labels. It took long time for those labels to finally admit it can not be done. When FA displayed it can be done, 7" and second album came directly to FA.
My experience, as publisher of most of those works is that people listen it for wide variety of reasons. One also has to understand that not everybody in noise speaks so fluent english, that topic of music would come very clearly in-your-face. It may be simply musically good and that's that. However, of course, content itself matters but people from different countries react on it in different ways. Lets say Japanese fans, I recall everybody being very positive about it. Ethnocentric perspective over there would barely raise eyebrows. Albums caused plenty of discussion, and even surprising support from highly surprising characters. People may assume its the east european meatheads that listen this stuff, but reality may be notch different.
Albums are stylistically quite different in lyrics. Also musically Brethren established very unique style where vocals are short shouted patterns arranged into kind of mechanical rhythmic pattern. Whitehouse did the vocal cut type of thing in their 2000's works, but it is not like this. Brethren used rhythmically pronounced lines in combination of loops and sound fragments in unusual way nobody else was doing. I recall talking to one long time heavy electronics label guy who mentioned could care less of the lyrical content, but stuff itself is interesting and new. I am sure albums did sell also for people who could care less for sound, and just bought it for the content. Thing about Brethren is curious, that unlike some projects on this orientation, it is never vulgar or obscene. Perhaps first album still has small traces of that, but later on, it is intentionally almost academically dry language without any offending vocabulary. As seen in messages, some people will consider this as "lack of humor".
Project ended when all was said and musically all was done and artists felt it would be just repeating more of same and therefore not perfectly sincere. Very much like Con-Dom, when final release was done, things completed, that was that, and in finest tradition of industrial culture, "mission terminated". If I happen to get permission for CD represses some day, I'll surely get them done.
Quote from: Cementimental on May 08, 2024, 03:39:51 PMQuote from: Manhog_84 on May 08, 2024, 07:46:57 AMA social justice warrior on Power Electronics forum, which all can agree is in 2024 a laughably stupid thing to be.
"being a neo-nazi is bad and stupid' is not a 'social justice warrior' position it's a 'every normal person' position. (ok that's still a fairly unusual thing to be on a PE forum)
Heh, a certified "normal person" stands against all things bad. Defined by which instance? Regarding the original poster's history on this forum, some of the messages already removed, it's clear that his input has been mostly nazis this nazis that trolling. Same kind of content that the long-time gone Troniks forum was full of. Nothing but a SJW.
Regarding reissues. In these days when everything is politicized, I'd assume there would be even more interest. Don't know how many CDs were originally pressed but they seem hard to find nowadays. I have heard both tape and CD versions of Organized Resistance, and the latter had a superior sound. Edit. The tape version I had was from an older batch years ago, and could have been an individual case. So not related to any of the new dubs.
Couple of interview links from another Brethren topic:
Quote from: goldameir on December 16, 2022, 10:22:36 AMQuote from: SIEGSIEGSIEG on December 15, 2022, 03:59:19 PMHere's for the interested:
TeRRoR interview, https://web.archive.org/web/20130314080622/http://www.terror.lt/news/78/61/Brethren.html
Plaguehaus interview, https://web.archive.org/web/20091002042032/http://plaguehaus.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=201&Itemid=26
Manhog is so sensitive fucking snowflake why is that if someone points out that nazis are clowns your reaction is "SJW! SJW!?" The topic is brethren, a contemporary political noise act. But don't talk about contemporary politics
This idea is that somehow if an artist "reflects" on pedophilia for example and is in fact a child rapist I ought to separate the two? Get the hell outta here ya antisocial warriors hahaha .
Quote from: Manhog_84 on May 09, 2024, 11:27:05 AMDon't know how many CDs were originally pressed but they seem hard to find nowadays.
I recall 500 of each album CD and tapes, probably less than 200.
Quote from: Bigsby on May 09, 2024, 12:53:26 PMThis idea is that somehow if an artist "reflects" on pedophilia for example and is in fact a child rapist I ought to separate the two?
I recall older neofolk discussion, where usual problem was: if the music and lyrics really has nothing outrageous in them, but there can be strong assumption guys may have sort of ...hmm.. eccentric ideas... should the band be allowed to play? Some felt like of course they should be allowed. If the music has zero problematic things, then why it should matter if artist may have said or done something questionable in past. This lead into greatest hypothetical question: what if Hitler had neofolk band, could he play in the left leaning underground festival, if the band had no obvious political content? I guess there are couple different ways to look at this dilemma, which can both be justified, but at least, I know I'd like to hear that band!
Mr. Bigsby current contribution to forum has been almost exclusively trolling and off topic bickering with other users, so I suggest to check out the forum guidelines.
How about a new guideline: if the noise act is a very deliberate political project , please don't talk about his political ideology. Hahahh
Just to make sure people do get it: Talking anything related to art of specific noise artist is doing is fine. Also expressing dislike and disapproval when necessary. Derailing into tiresome us daily politics or whatever can be done on other platforms. Frequently bickering with, name calling and trolling other users, will get one kicked out if couple removed posts and little reminder won't work.
Maybe he stopped doing music precisely because every discussion of it inevitably devolved into something like this thread....
Quote from: Bigsby on May 08, 2024, 10:05:05 PMFair enough. Anyone have a review/rip of the Micronauts Electronics record? Timothy McVeigh viewed things through a strict Stars Wars lens, so maybe a deep dive into the Microverse would shed some light on Rodger's nuanced worldviews.
My motivation for doing either is extremely low and under a tall metaphorical stack of other rare / stupid things I should really rip and put online one of these days. Would definitely consider selling the thing for a suitably astronomical price to someone here who is more dedicated to the whole "I can't believe these woke extremist SJWs are calling me a nazi simply because I make pro-nazi music and am a nazi!!!" side of things.
Quote from: BatteredStatesofEuphoria on May 09, 2024, 04:31:41 PMMaybe he stopped doing music precisely because every discussion of it inevitably devolved into something like this thread....
Well you know what they say, "Ask a silly question..."
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 09, 2024, 01:51:08 PMQuote from: Bigsby on May 09, 2024, 12:53:26 PMThis idea is that somehow if an artist "reflects" on pedophilia for example and is in fact a child rapist I ought to separate the two?
I recall older neofolk discussion, where usual problem was: if the music and lyrics really has nothing outrageous in them, but there can be strong assumption guys may have sort of ...hmm.. eccentric ideas... should the band be allowed to play? Some felt like of course they should be allowed. If the music has zero problematic things, then why it should matter if artist may have said or done something questionable in past. This lead into greatest hypothetical question: what if Hitler had neofolk band, could he play in the left leaning underground festival, if the band had no obvious political content? I guess there are couple different ways to look at this dilemma, which can both be justified, but at least, I know I'd like to hear that band!
Mr. Bigsby current contribution to forum has been almost exclusively trolling and off topic bickering with other users, so I suggest to check out the forum guidelines.
How does this remind you of that?
Brethren's lyrics are clear and he owned them. Nazi content from a Nazi. Why are fans so triggered by this? I do like the idea of this dream team neo folk project though!
If Hitler had got into neofolk WWII would never have happened
QuoteYou know, Hitler wanted to be an artist. At eighteen he took his inheritance, seven hundred kronen, and moved to Vienna to live and study... Ever see one of his paintings? Neither have I. Resistance beat him. Call it overstatement but I'll say it anyway: it was easier for Hitler to start World War II than it was for him to face a blank square of canvas.
- Steven Pressfield, "The War of Art"
Quote from: Bigsby on May 09, 2024, 11:49:31 PMHow does this remind you of that?
Brethren's lyrics are clear and he owned them. Nazi content from a Nazi. Why are fans so triggered by this?
I would assume that within industrial culture milieu, there are a lot of people who simply do not look things from most simple-minded way. Being interested in things what exactly is being said, possibly why it is being said and how it's being said. It appears in lines of calling Militia (band) commies. Sure we all know why it could be done and it could be considered "close enough", but we also know it is not true.
I am not concerned that one makes conclusion that there is
Nazi content from a Nazi, but that one would pretend as if that sentence would somehow display any relevant information about actual qualities of work. It is not very long time ago, when there was (yet another) discussion about dirty history of industrial/power electronics/noise fascist connections. Instead of discussing what types of approaches this has generated, what kind of genre changing things it has caused, possibly even what type of impact on the world as large it may have cause, all we get is wailing, and some vague canceling suggestions that remain unnamed. Nothing else.
Fringe right -ideas is such a plethora of things, often conflicting with eachother, often nothing to do with traditional right wing whatsoever, often esoteric, often not universal but bound for time and place. Some branches mutate into new things due their evolutionary nature, and barely resemble old form. Or oddities, like Aleksandr Lebedev-Frontov for example, his role as active member of National Bolshevik Party same time he was creating the masterpieces of Ultra label. As interesting as THAT topic could be, we know, large fraction of the scene can only adhere to "nazi this nazi that" level "discussion" and insist derailing every topic ever briefly gives such possibility - it suppresses possibility to discuss actually interesting things. And note: It doesn't mean approval or celebration. It may mean simply being curious of the driving forces and personality behind the expression. We can be sure, that level of expression present in "NON" or "Death In June", or "Brethren" is not based on cheap hate mongering, but there is more to it. While doing that opportunity to really dig deeper into some artists ideas and motivations would vanish in the usual ways it does when agitated retards are present.
This forum is primarily meant for advancing industrial/noise/power electronics culture discussion. People who prefer to merely talk shit, as mentioned, there are reddit, Facebook, and whatever places to go to. I would suppose everybody understands the obvious that Brethren is pro-white material with heavy anti-zionist stance and it comes in all honesty without irony. I would suppose that if there is discussion, it could happen beyond the obvious. I have no problem to clean up forum messages or members, lock topics etc, but it will be done when needed.
Got it. But I do think the true trolling in this thread is found in things like "there's more to nazis than your narrow generalization" or "we are missing the chance to talk about the impact this has had on the world"
While I do enjoy Savage Inequalities, I definitely prefer Alienated and Radicalized over that one. Both for excellent handling of structured Noise assaults, and a plethora of sharp, violent lyrics. The sample to "Dawn of Deception" epitomizes the spirit of Brethen's music I fathom.
The track "Not For You" from Savage Inequalities is a stand-out - it 'rocks', as they say! Could nearly be a dancefloor hit! Fished out the Revolutionary Command LP last night, too. Not as full-on as Brethren, but the seething restraint is extremely effective.
Definitely prefer Savage Inequalities, so many hits! But that intro sample to Dawn of Deception is indeed rousing and sums up the spirit of the times perfectly. Taken from the classic film Network (1976).
Recall him championing the likes of Kevin MacDonald and Jared Taylor early on too... think it was Degenernate zine where he listed some recommended reading, which inspired me to hunt down The Culture of Critique and other such wrongthink titles. Great project.
Quote from: Bigsby on May 11, 2024, 01:35:42 AMGot it. But I do think the true trolling in this thread is found in things like "there's more to nazis than your narrow generalization" or "we are missing the chance to talk about the impact this has had on the world"
LOL.
Anyway, nice to hear that Brethren releases are available as tapes when asked. I should get hold of the these because everything i have heard from Brethren were pretty powerful stuff.
There was also that really good Brethren track, Zionist Axiom on the Audial Decimation Vol. 1, which all around was quite a great compilation by everyone who was on it. It's too bad there wasn't a Vol. 2!
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on May 11, 2024, 04:24:00 AMWhile I do enjoy Savage Inequalities, I definitely prefer Alienated and Radicalized over that one.
I second that. By the way this thread made my go through his discography again and "Alienated and Radicalized" still sounds amazing, all the tracks are solid, the pounding textures in the background and the vocals works perfectly together.
Quote from: Hakaristi on May 11, 2024, 11:17:22 AMRecall him championing the likes of Kevin MacDonald and Jared Taylor early on too... think it was Degenernate zine where he listed some recommended reading, which inspired me to hunt down The Culture of Critique and other such wrongthink titles. Great project.
Didn't know that but it's interesting how sometimes we come across recurring topics following completely different paths. I found out about Kevin MacDonald and The Culture Of Critique reading a Sigrblot interview back in the days.
Most of Kingdom Coming's side A has a high-pitched sound that is reminiscent of Jewish folk melodies that with Christian/Zionist samples makes a sinister atmosphere and thematic implications. I used to think the vocals tended to be too aggressive for the formal register of the lyrics. Now, they seem to represent the meaning of the impersonal language used in policy statements, research articles, etc. - intended to appear rational and objective - more accurately than the way it's conventionally spoken.
Noting this topic is currently active, FYI I am currently whiting down my collection which includes Brethren items. All NM, and stored in smoke-free house in plastic sleeves, and played a few times over the decades.
-: Brethren - The Chosen 10" / DVDr $55 usd
-: Brethren - Kingdom Coming 7" $35 usd
-: Brethren - Within Death You Will Be Free CD (Audial Decimation edition) $25 usd
Tracked postage extra at cost (from Australia). Ask for a quote based on location. Photos can be provided upon request.
Does the American Boots project have anything to do w Brethren? Thought I heard that somewhere but might be tripping. The lone wolves tape was absolutely phenomenal.
Absolutely nothing to do with Brethren. It is decent stuff.
It's so many years, I can't remember anymore, but I if one would ask now, feeling is, it's perhaps more related to... Country Club or TF/PE.. Can't remember.
Talking of Brethren related stuff, indeed he had those pre-Brethren projects, for example BOUND CDR's are not as advanced as Brethren, but he was already displaying moving into that direction. Some of these CDR's he made, are not even listed at discogs, but exists as CDR releases, 20 copies or something he used to sent to people he was in contact with.
If you listen to one of the noise podcasts out there with Murderous Vision, you will hear great moment when they talk about Ohio noise scene and very very briefly mention Brehren there, and just concluding its a bit hot topic now, and move on. If you check the history of events, and the reports that was back then... well, Brethren got just fine playing live along the sludge, noise, industrial etc bands and DJ blasting some classic revolutionary rockn'roll on venue PA. I have the live VHS as well as live comp VHS with entire gigs that came out at the time. Good stuff, and at the same time might be that not everybody wants to be reminded about it.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 15, 2024, 08:22:17 PMAbsolutely nothing to do with Brethren. It is decent stuff.
It's so many years, I can't remember anymore, but I if one would ask now, feeling is, it's perhaps more related to... Country Club or TF/PE.. Can't remember.
Talking of Brethren related stuff, indeed he had those pre-Brethren projects, for example BOUND CDR's are not as advanced as Brethren, but he was already displaying moving into that direction. Some of these CDR's he made, are not even listed at discogs, but exists as CDR releases, 20 copies or something he used to sent to people he was in contact with.
If you listen to one of the noise podcasts out there with Murderous Vision, you will hear great moment when they talk about Ohio noise scene and very very briefly mention Brehren there, and just concluding its a bit hot topic now, and move on. If you check the history of events, and the reports that was back then... well, Brethren got just fine playing live along the sludge, noise, industrial etc bands and DJ blasting some classic revolutionary rockn'roll on venue PA. I have the live VHS as well as live comp VHS with entire gigs that came out at the time. Good stuff, and at the same time might be that not everybody wants to be reminded about it.
Any info on what is contained on the CDrs? Promo versions of the albums?
Also: If a digitized version of the VHS exists anywhere, it would be wonderful!