Cruising, Iverrisible, In A Glass Cage, Beyond The Darkness, Nekromantik I & II and the Japanese stuff like Tetsuo: The Iron Man and Organ were the first that came to mind. Any good recommendations?
I think all of these already are listed in the established film thread. If you haven't leafed through the entire thread previously I suggest you to do it now. Lot's of goodies.
Quote from: online prowler on January 08, 2015, 02:54:12 AM
I think all of these already are listed in the established film thread. If you haven't leafed through the entire thread previously I suggest you to do it now. Lot's of goodies.
You're right, but I still think it would be nice to have a topic focused on these specific themes in film rather than some "recommend me a good movie thread". For instance, I find the public reaction to Cruising in the gay community to be really interesting (a denial of the dark side of S/M?), the sexual subtext and dark leather/latex aesthetic of Alien. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough in the OP. I know there are lot's of films like this out there. Many I'm forgetting now as well...
So many many examples, especially when you obviously delve into the world of Doris Wishman, the Something Weird Video catalog, etc. Virtually a bottomless pit.
Anyways - some Italian favorites that never get enough attention:
BLUE MOVIE (1978) dir. Alberto Cavallone
MAN, WOMAN, BEAST (1977) dir. Alberto Cavallone
QUANDO L'AMORE E OSCENITA (1980) dir. Renato Polselli
Plus - I think my favorite film hands down that tackles so many themes of De Sade's ideology, fetishism, etc. in a such a VIVID and descriptive way, even eventually horrifyingly is:
JUSTINE DE SADE (1972) dir. Claude Pierson
Actually almost captures the sheer chaos of a De Sade book.
Fuck Gaspar Noé, everyone should watch "Angst" instead of any of his films.
Angst is great and so is the soundtrack.
As for Gaspar Noé, I feel that he is both deserving of the praise and criticism he often receives. His films are like visual pendulums swinging between pure transcendence and this childish "yeah so you watched Saló? Now watch this!!!" attitude. He hits that magical spot and then takes it too far. Every time. There's still something interesting in there though. A unique signature.
Some movies which both deal with fetishism and use highly fetishized aesthetics:
Madamu Sado: Mesu Jigoku (Madame de Sade, 1986) - Probably the only video-era Roman Porno worth watching and maybe also the only one dealing with sexual submission from a femdom perpective. Grim and sleazy with lots of extensive torture-/humiliation-scenes.
Hakkinbon bijin ranbu yori: semeru! (Beauty's Exotic Dance Torture, 1977) - All of Noboru Tanaka's Nikkatsu-features are great, this one is probably his darkest and saddest flick.
A searious, humorless bondage love-story if you like.
The Image: The Punishment of Anne (1975) - 'High class' BDSM-Porno with plenty of fetishized humiliation. Especially the dungeon scene at the end should fit here.
Super 8½ (1994) - Pretty complex and clever 'meta-porn' by Bruce LaBruce. Maybe not that 'dark', though.
Thanks a lot to THE RITA HN and nihbraxalizt. I'll make sure to check all of those out.
One I'd like to mention is the HK Cat III film The Rapist. Not really a "fetish-themed" film, but it has this really dark urban vibe to it, which I really like. I'm mostly acquainted with the "gory side" of HK cinema, but I'm sure there's more out there that would fit the bill.
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probably decently well-known but i think Decoder fits into this. william burroughs worship with guys from einsturzende neubauten, young & gorgeous christiane f., genesis p., bill rice, burroughs himself is in the film. it's all about tape and every copy i've ever seen 'suffers' from generations of vhs-transfers. that combined with the argento style lighting makes the film look like you're looking at one of those red and blue stereograms with only one eye. i think specifically the scene at the beginning of the movie with bill rice in the booth watching christiane stripping is particularly good.
Hadn't heard of Decoder before. Sounds excellent from what you just wrote. I'll make sure to watch it asap.
A few more:
Captured For Sex 2
Hentai byôtô: SM shinryo-shitsu (1989)
Crash (1996)
Rubber's Lover
A Darker Reality (2008)
Inserts from 1974, a little more 'British' and 'high-minded' than trashy exploitation. Nevertheless, a meta-movie about the making of a porno during the Hollywood golden age. as a plus, this one has jessica harper and veronica cartwright!
Liliana Cavani's The Night Porter (1974) was absolutely and irreversibly life-changing to me at the age of 12 or 13, seen on late night TV. Never mind that SS Experiment Camp video nasty silliness or the bad arthouse smut of the era it gets lumped in with like Last Tango In Paris, this is a great well acted film which still manages to be as psychologically grimy as you could wish for.
Wife To Be Sacrificed (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228419/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1), Star Of David:Beauty Hunting (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0225458/) and Blind Beast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140384/) (one of the greatest films ever made) are all astonishing and beautiful pieces of Japanese filth made with a budget and craft rarely if ever awarded to similarly themed works from other countries. No area of film marries such extreme and audacious content with such genuinely polished and inventive filmmaking more so than pinku eiga, for me the ultimate sub genre of exploitation cinema. Still a very under represented genre in the west which is a huge shame.
Oh, "8mm" is terrible! I watched it last week on cable. Best scene is the basement porn convention where dealers openly sell kiddie photos but frown on snuff videos. A much better film with the same theme is "Hardcore" starring George C. Scott.
Hardcore is excellent!
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Have you seen Chained with Vincent D'Onofrio & Eamon Farren?
No I haven't, but I'll make sure to read up on it.
QuoteLiliana Cavani's The Night Porter (1974)
I have a framed poster above my bed.
There's quite af few designs out there. Which one do you have?
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this one. invested in a nice frame for it and everything. pretty hard to beat that image in any genre/capacity. i have a framed helltrain / monica swinn image lobby card right beside it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Xucn8MBH8
Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo is pretty gritty...
491 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmlq64wyvwA Waiting for a copy and the dog fuck scene is cute but any film that can provoke the forming of a new party is great by me. A right wing christian values party was formed in response to the film being released in sixties.
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The Prodigal Son
Short Dutch horror film about a young man who earns his money as a male prostitute. A middle-aged man takes him home and ties him to a bed. Too late, the young man realises that he has ended up amid a crazy family. The Prodigal Son was screened at the international genre festivals of Málaga and San Sebastián, where it won prizes for best short film.
http://www.filmfestival.nl/profs_en/films/the-prodigal-son
VICTIMS OF VICE (1978 Dir. Jacques Scandelari)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167806/
Quote from: theotherjohn on January 16, 2015, 10:50:09 PM
Anyone know what the film is that's shown accompanying this Pogrom set from around 11 mins 35 seconds?: http://youtu.be/Gc3p_8MZtgc?t=11m33s
Alicia (1994) Director: Jaume Balagueró
You can find it on Youtube. It's a short film.
Heart of Midnight1988
Although not necessarily as "gritty" as other films mentioned in this thread, I believe it may strike a chord with some of you willing to give it a look. Focuses on a young woman (whom suffers from psychotic episodes) that inherits a nightclub from her deceased Uncle Fletcher. As the movie unfolds she begins to learn more about her late uncle and what truly happened within the establishment she now owns. She is living on the second floor and discovers a variety of rooms all with different fetishist themes. Through a mix of flashbacks/breaks in the plot, she discovers her own abuse at the hands of Fletcher during her childhood and makes sense of the clubs disturbing past...that it was used for child trafficking, abduction of women, murder, etc. Pretty unsettling watch...very bleak throughout.
Carnival of souls. Different from anything filmed until then.
Despite the often over-the-top acting, it has a unique atmosphere.
Yeah, Carnival of Souls is really good!
Recently watched 'Salon Kitty', directed by Tinto Brass. And 'Necrophile Passion' by Tom Heidenberg. Maybe these are fitting quite well into this thread.
Videodrome and Cronenberg's other early films all fit the bill in some way or another. Speaking of which Rabid is finally coming out on Blu on the 16th: http://www.arrowfilms.co.uk/about-us/
I don't think Shozin Fukui's Rubber's Lover has been mentioned, but now it has.
Films with a Dark and Gritty Fetish Aesthetic....
Shinya Tsukamoto's A SNAKE OF JUNE is exactly what you're looking for.
Made in 2002 by the man who brought you Tetsuo.
Blue tinted monochrome. Repression. Voyeurism. Strange sexual obsessions.
"Rinku is a suicide-prevention counselor, living with her husband Shigehiko. He's older than she, scrubbing things constantly, sexually indifferent. They sleep apart. During Tokyo's rainy season, Iguchi, a photographer Rinku has counseled by phone, sends her pictures he has taken through her skylight: she's wearing a short skirt, masturbating. He offers her the negatives if she'll follow his instructions. She's humiliated and agrees. He tells her he's only giving her license to express her inner desires. He sends her into the night to walk on the wild side. Then, she asks a favor of him, and soon her husband receives phone calls and photographs. Where will this triangle lead?" - from imdb.
Terror From Under the House aka Revenge! aka The Inn of the Frightened People. it's really a bit shit, awful lightning and camera work, most copies i've seen have severe wear, spots on the film, etc. But it does have child murder, rape-revenge, incest, abduction and torture, etc. The shittiness of the movie itself makes all these themes a bit more, well, "dark and gritty"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxxyog_terror-from-under-the-house_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxxyog_terror-from-under-the-house_shortfilms)
Maniac (1980) by Joe Spinell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbLvTpzckGU&ab_channel=cinemalternativo
A Serial killer who murders models and prostitutes and makes them into mannequins.
It's really fucking good, i don't know why it's not been mentioned. classic perv flick.
"Wife To Be Sacrificed."
This picture says it all:
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Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 12, 2015, 10:15:04 PM
Oh, "8mm" is terrible! I watched it last week on cable. Best scene is the basement porn convention where dealers openly sell kiddie photos but frown on snuff videos. A much better film with the same theme is "Hardcore" starring George C. Scott.
I've not seen 8mm, but from the description above I was about to post that it sounds a poor pastiche of Hardcore.
As much as I've tried, I simply cannot erase
Big Dick Black (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toj8nkaPdtA) from my memory.
The Turin Horse