Recent discussion about Pinch A Loaf release what needs to be cut open to get the tapes... Not sure if this was talked in old topics of special editions. Feelings about items that are everything else but "handy"?
While I often rate handy, durable, compact packaging, now I have had slightly different feel lurking in my brain. Somewhat obsessive attitude towards items being "mint condition", "re-sellable" etc where people are overtly sensitive about their records, books etc, where one can't even leave signs of use to item, but they are storaged in plastic sleeves, away from all signs of life - like old nerds with toy collections.
Where motivation seems to focus on idea that "it will lose value" if it's not "sealed" or "mint". What value? Wouldn't worn out book show that it REALLY did have value to its reader, who hungrily read it anywhere, without need to consider if there few stains and rips or folded pages. Anything else but almost laboratory environment and plastic covers protecting this re-sellable product.
In this context, it feels almost essential that noise release would have something that forces people to step outside neurosis of storaged vacuum bags of mint consumer goods, and actually involve themselves hands-on. Without care of "decrease of value on collectors market".
I recall Brighter Death Now record what was intentionally damaged. Ring wear, bend corners etc. People complained, even if it was meant to be that way. Everybody would get hard-on about rips and stains printed on cover design, simulated with photoshop layers. But when it is actual physical thing, suddenly outrageous act from label?
Many Banned Productions items you needed to little damage to get your hands to tape. At more bizarre cases it could be for example tape covered with tin-foil and dipped in thick layers of paint. No way to access audio in any other way that basically destroying packaging. Or MSBR. What if the grooves of lathecut had some dust in it, as 7" was screwed between couple wood plates? Should one bitch about need of cleaning LP a bit before listening? Perhaps its normal to bitch about getting record what appears "used" or "dirty", when you supposedly paid for "new". But all in all, I feel like leaning towards direction where it could be good to see releases that can't escape being used.
I really hate when I must tear/destroy/cut off part of package to open it. I prefer regular digipak/digisleeve/jewel case or similar.
I hate anything that doesn't fit within my shelves, that includes boxsets, oversized packagings, etc... I'm don't care about value, I care about not having annoying shit cluttering my house. I also care about music more than media and I think that often, artists forget that they're putting out a record, not some piece of art (crap.) With that said, I like my things to look as neat as possible so destroying a packaging to open it gives me panic attacks.
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Quote from: theotherjohn on March 14, 2015, 12:58:27 PM
however, has anyone had the perverse idea of doing a sandpaper sleeve with the rough on the inside?
Zoviet France - Gris 10" (http://www.discogs.com/zoviet-france-Gris/release/102333) uses a folded roofing shingle as a cover. I've never seen a 10" that wasn't scratched from the constantly shedding debris. It might as well be sandpaper.
I love a process of destruction in music/art and in way of packaging... I try to do it in my label releases too, and I like destroying (cutting, tearing, punching etc.) boxes, cassettes and so on.
What's more, I don't care if I buy used releases which (packages; punching cassettes) have been already destroyed. I like looking at these signs of using / destroying.
I don't mind cutting or ripping things open. The only thing I try to avoid is rendering the art on the package destroyed. For example, that BLJ / Ramirez tape I mentioned in the other thread has a great (but fragile) newspaper collage covering it, so I wanted to figure out a way to open it without tearing that up. So, preserve the artwork, but getting it open and listenable is the #1 priority
If it is meant to be destroyed as the only way to access to it, let's do it (with minimum damage possible). I recall for instance Ramirez LP on Tesco sealed with padlock with no key, or Genocide Organ bootleg LP etc..Only release which come to mind I couldn't ever destroy is the K2 "We Destroyed Barcelona" cassette on United Syndicate that remain untouched till today
Personally I don't give a damn about the value, I never buy something thinking I will sell in the future so, I don't really care about that. But, I prefer to keep the packages undamaged and I always try to make the smallest damage when opening something.
Not a fan of this but surely willing to destroy the package if that's the only way to access the music. I hate it even more when destruction could be prevented with slight changes... Like some releases that are packaged in envelopes but they are sealed instead of left open.
As I tiredly repeat over and over - the sounds, not the packaging.
If the packaging had a purpose - that is, if the destruction of the packaging served the purpose of the release - that I could understand. Chop Shop comes to mind.
If it's just to be annoying, that's all it'll be. The envelopes mentioned by "Scat-O-Logy" come to mind.
Keeping your shit pristine is nice, I love a brand new box straight out of the post as much as anyone, but to get to the chuff you need to break shit anyway. And seriously, how many of those stupid plastic cd cases and so on stay solid? Everything breaks and fucks up. Who hasn't gotten a nice, new cd in the mail only to find the case broken or even shattered by the less than careful ministrations our international postal service?
I'll just yawn "sounds over packaging" again...
OVMN's Visions Of Autoerotic Excess is an annoying one package-wise. The CD is wrapped in duct tape (with some protective film not to destroy the disc) and the whole thing is then tied up with thick steel wire. At least my copy was damaged by the wire (the CD had dents in it) and was unplayable. I had to find a download online to listen to the album.
It always feels a little bit strange to (cut) open a Entr'acte vacuum packed release.
Newest Abgrund release Room Ov Pleasure/Pain Appendix CD comes to mind. I botched the main front cover envelope trying to use a scissors to cut open and the inside sealed envelope really got butchered trying to get at the inserts.
Destruction's Geometry | Dead Body Love could be opened only damaging somehow because I was a terrible cutter and and an even worse designer
Quote from: Urban Noise on March 15, 2015, 12:48:20 AMPersonally I don't give a damn about the value, I never buy something thinking I will sell in the future so, I don't really care about that. But, I prefer to keep the packages undamaged and I always try to make the smallest damage when opening something.
I agree, it's the same here it's not like I've got any plans to sell one day in the future, but I too make a strong attempt at just trying to keep shit in nice shape and then after awhile it can become like an OCD thing at times and you then you've got to learn how to have a rational mind about it all.
That should be a new topic "OCD with collection" haha. Do you lose sleep at night worrying about that fucking indent in the booklet, because you got to hasty to check and see that the insert was slid back nicely before you closed the case!?
Zoviet France get away with it as they make extravagantly destructible records, like LPs sandwiched between roof tiling, inner sleves made of a latex substance that eventually melts into the record, radioactive feathers—they're appealing as dangerous objects.
In general though, destructive packaging isn't particularly appealing or interesting. I'm glad those full-body cassette labels that blocked the reels went out of fashion.
Quote from: Volcano Queen on December 04, 2023, 03:16:41 AMZoviet France get away with it as they make extravagantly destructible records, like LPs sandwiched between roof tiling, inner sleves made of a latex substance that eventually melts into the record, radioactive feathers—they're appealing as dangerous objects.
In general though, destructive packaging isn't particularly appealing or interesting. I'm glad those full-body cassette labels that blocked the reels went out of fashion.
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Speaking of blocking the reels, this reminds me of a tape of my own that was recently released by Fusty Cunt. Void Of Empathy - Fractured Images and the tape itself has a sticker covered over the front of it, you have to push the tape in stereo and puncture the sticker to create holes for the reels. I can't say I've ever seen this before. I'm curious to know if anyone else has seen this before. It makes me wonder is it hard on the stereo to have to spin the reels with the potential of smashed sticker crud and I'm not bitching about the tape one bit, Fusty did an outstanding job with everything, but still makes me wonder if this sticker over the tape itself has been done before.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 04, 2023, 05:26:56 AMSpeaking of blocking the reels, this reminds me of a tape of my own that was recently released by Fusty Cunt. Void Of Empathy - Fractured Images and the tape itself has a sticker covered over the front of it, you have to push the tape in stereo and puncture the sticker to create holes for the reels. I can't say I've ever seen this before. I'm curious to know if anyone else has seen this before. It makes me wonder is it hard on the stereo to have to spin the reels with the potential of smashed sticker crud and I'm not bitching about the tape one bit, Fusty did an outstanding job with everything, but still makes me wonder if this sticker over the tape itself has been done before.
That's precisely what I'm referring to. I guess Fusty Cunt enjoy that shit. Old Europa Cafe did it back in the 90s, see Incapacitants' "D.D.D.D." for example.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 04, 2023, 05:26:56 AMthe tape itself has a sticker covered over the front of it, you have to push the tape in stereo and puncture the sticker to create holes for the reels.
Puncture it with a pen, then 'clean' the holes free. Or use a coin and a blade. Or cut a whole window if you like to see the reels inside.
I have seen sticker over some Maskhead tape. It gives sealed wibes. Not so much problems with it.
Quote from: Theodore on December 04, 2023, 07:48:09 AMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 04, 2023, 05:26:56 AMthe tape itself has a sticker covered over the front of it, you have to push the tape in stereo and puncture the sticker to create holes for the reels.
Puncture it with a pen, then 'clean' the holes free. Or use a coin and a blade. Or cut a whole window if you like to see the reels inside.
Yep, I that's what I did after. I used a pen to try and clean it up better. It's funny, I've got hundreds of tapes and this might be the first time I've seen this before, but evidently there's been a lot of tapes like this.
Not related to noise, but I recall Nunslaughter did a 7" with similarly "sealed" center labels. There was a hole in the vinyl itself, but you had to puncture the printed label to be able to play it. I think it was even advertised as a "virgin edition" or something heh... I might be mixing up bands though as I couldn't verify that info with quick googling.
Quote from: DBL on December 04, 2023, 04:07:32 PMNot related to noise, but I recall Nunslaughter did a 7" with similarly "sealed" center labels. There was a hole in the vinyl itself, but you had to puncture the printed label to be able to play it. I think it was even advertised as a "virgin edition" or something heh... I might be mixing up bands though as I couldn't verify that info with quick googling.
No, that definitely sounds like Nunslaughter! Haha...NONES BETTER THAN NUNSLAUGHTER!
The whole "anti-record" thing seems like an art-fag collector extravagance for me, at least when it's being purchased. Being given or traded something like that with actual intent behind it makes a lot more sense. I buy physical media in part for the "preservationist" aspect.
As far as damage to packaging goes, it seems inevitable to some degree if you're actually listening to what you buy, especially in the car etc. So long as the artwork/media is intact, I don't particularly care if I had to rip something open or the case gets scuffed. It does become obnoxious in a cases such as the Grey Wolves-A Wealth Of Misery... 7" where the record itself is stored in some useless wad of tissue paper you have to attempt to put back together every time you listen to it.
Quote from: DBL on December 04, 2023, 04:07:32 PMNot related to noise, but I recall Nunslaughter did a 7" with similarly "sealed" center labels. There was a hole in the vinyl itself, but you had to puncture the printed label to be able to play it. I think it was even advertised as a "virgin edition" or something heh... I might be mixing up bands though as I couldn't verify that info with quick googling.
Definitely have had a share of these, as well as some where the center hole in the record was too small for the turntable spindle, so I had to take some off with a knife.
Quote from: ritualabuser on December 04, 2023, 09:26:54 PMQuote from: DBL on December 04, 2023, 04:07:32 PMNot related to noise, but I recall Nunslaughter did a 7" with similarly "sealed" center labels. There was a hole in the vinyl itself, but you had to puncture the printed label to be able to play it. I think it was even advertised as a "virgin edition" or something heh... I might be mixing up bands though as I couldn't verify that info with quick googling.
Definitely have had a share of these, as well as some where the center hole in the record was too small for the turntable spindle, so I had to take some off with a knife.
This same thing happened to me with the XE
The White Will 7inch.
Ideally, form and function would be optimal.
Quote from: Confuzzled on December 05, 2023, 04:36:15 PMIdeally, form and function would be optimal.
Quote from: ritualabuser on December 04, 2023, 09:25:50 PMThe whole "anti-record" thing seems like an art-fag collector extravagance for me, at least when it's being purchased. Being given or traded something like that with actual intent behind it makes a lot more sense. I buy physical media in part for the "preservationist" aspect.
As far as damage to packaging goes, it seems inevitable to some degree if you're actually listening to what you buy, especially in the car etc. So long as the artwork/media is intact, I don't particularly care if I had to rip something open or the case gets scuffed. It does become obnoxious in a cases such as the Grey Wolves-A Wealth Of Misery... 7" where the record itself is stored in some useless wad of tissue paper you have to attempt to put back together every time you listen to it.
I agree with what you said about keeping collection as part of preservationist aspect, that's how I feel about my collection too.
I don't know the Grey Wolves 7" as I only collect CD and tapes, but by your description I can only envision how annoying trying to put the 7" back in with tissue paper must be. I've had similar instances of the same irritating and annoying circumstances. Another thing that really sucks is when you get those digi sleeves for CDs where there is no wheel plate or whatever and sometimes those discs can be really tight and you feel like you could damn near scratch the disc and then when putting the disc back it feels almost certain like you could scuff it putting it back. Also those CD wooden box sets by Urashima, I love them, but those are a bit tough to get the CDs out of those cardboard sleeves, you've got to almost put enough pressure squeezing the case, but not too hard, as you could potentially bust the sleeve, but enough pressure to slide out the disc without it rubbing to hard against the sleeve. I don't know, maybe I'm the only nutcase that gives this sort of stuff a thought in the first place.
Quote from: Cranial Blast on December 05, 2023, 07:05:44 PMQuote from: Confuzzled on December 05, 2023, 04:36:15 PMIdeally, form and function would be optimal.
Quote from: ritualabuser on December 04, 2023, 09:25:50 PMThe whole "anti-record" thing seems like an art-fag collector extravagance for me, at least when it's being purchased. Being given or traded something like that with actual intent behind it makes a lot more sense. I buy physical media in part for the "preservationist" aspect.
As far as damage to packaging goes, it seems inevitable to some degree if you're actually listening to what you buy, especially in the car etc. So long as the artwork/media is intact, I don't particularly care if I had to rip something open or the case gets scuffed. It does become obnoxious in a cases such as the Grey Wolves-A Wealth Of Misery... 7" where the record itself is stored in some useless wad of tissue paper you have to attempt to put back together every time you listen to it.
I agree with what you said about keeping collection as part of preservationist aspect, that's how I feel about my collection too.
I don't know the Grey Wolves 7" as I only collect CD and tapes, but by your description I can only envision how annoying trying to put the 7" back in with tissue paper must be. I've had similar instances of the same irritating and annoying circumstances. Another thing that really sucks is when you get those digi sleeves for CDs where there is no wheel plate or whatever and sometimes those discs can be really tight and you feel like you could damn near scratch the disc and then when putting the disc back it feels almost certain like you could scuff it putting it back. Also those CD wooden box sets by Urashima, I love them, but those are a bit tough to get the CDs out of those cardboard sleeves, you've got to almost put enough pressure squeezing the case, but not too hard, as you could potentially bust the sleeve, but enough pressure to slide out the disc without it rubbing to hard against the sleeve. I don't know, maybe I'm the only nutcase that gives this sort of stuff a thought in the first place.
Feels like I've had a lot of really tight center spindles on CDs lately, though it's been completely random as to whether or not it's been on a digi, regular, or DCD. Maybe moreso on the latter, but that could also be due to the awkward format.
Quote from: ritualabuser on December 05, 2023, 09:56:50 PMQuote from: Cranial Blast on December 05, 2023, 07:05:44 PMQuote from: Confuzzled on December 05, 2023, 04:36:15 PMIdeally, form and function would be optimal.
Quote from: ritualabuser on December 04, 2023, 09:25:50 PMThe whole "anti-record" thing seems like an art-fag collector extravagance for me, at least when it's being purchased. Being given or traded something like that with actual intent behind it makes a lot more sense. I buy physical media in part for the "preservationist" aspect.
As far as damage to packaging goes, it seems inevitable to some degree if you're actually listening to what you buy, especially in the car etc. So long as the artwork/media is intact, I don't particularly care if I had to rip something open or the case gets scuffed. It does become obnoxious in a cases such as the Grey Wolves-A Wealth Of Misery... 7" where the record itself is stored in some useless wad of tissue paper you have to attempt to put back together every time you listen to it.
I agree with what you said about keeping collection as part of preservationist aspect, that's how I feel about my collection too.
I don't know the Grey Wolves 7" as I only collect CD and tapes, but by your description I can only envision how annoying trying to put the 7" back in with tissue paper must be. I've had similar instances of the same irritating and annoying circumstances. Another thing that really sucks is when you get those digi sleeves for CDs where there is no wheel plate or whatever and sometimes those discs can be really tight and you feel like you could damn near scratch the disc and then when putting the disc back it feels almost certain like you could scuff it putting it back. Also those CD wooden box sets by Urashima, I love them, but those are a bit tough to get the CDs out of those cardboard sleeves, you've got to almost put enough pressure squeezing the case, but not too hard, as you could potentially bust the sleeve, but enough pressure to slide out the disc without it rubbing to hard against the sleeve. I don't know, maybe I'm the only nutcase that gives this sort of stuff a thought in the first place.
Feels like I've had a lot of really tight center spindles on CDs lately, though it's been completely random as to whether or not it's been on a digi, regular, or DCD. Maybe moreso on the latter, but that could also be due to the awkward format.
I had one the other day, I had to really press down hard in the center spindle and it was very hard to remove the disc. Every so often you get one of those it seems.