I came across this today. Result of a totally unrelated search.
http://youtu.be/-JoQNxty80g
Of course I though of you guys.
Can't quite follow the lyrics. Is he pro antifa, is he taking the piss. Or doing that aggravating thing bands do where they attempt to strike a middle position vague enough to appeal to both people pro and/or anti?
Ministry has always been kind of vaguely anti-authoritarian. But not specifically political.
Anyone privy to the actual lyrics so we can denounce, endorse, ridicule?
I think Al Jourgensen supports antifa if I am not mistaken. I guess all the recent incidents in the U.S have forced people to draw the line and choose sides.
Never really cared for their music, but afaik the guy was always anti-republican at least and worked with Jello Biafra for example, so I guess it's pro antifa.
I can't believe how formulaic his music is now. Though it does start out kind of Sabbathy, so that is something new.
Quote from: calaverasgrande on September 16, 2017, 05:07:51 PM
I can't believe how formulaic his music is now. Though it does start out kind of Sabbathy, so that is something new.
given that ages ago as 1000 homo djs he covered 'supernaut' then no.
The project with Jello was called Lard, I prefer it Ministry (who I'm not a huge fan of). he's definitely a dedicated lefty...though unfortunately I feel that the approach is a bit juvenile...I remember being really bothered by all the bands using GWs' face on albums (not that I ever agreed with Bush or any republican/captailist ideals). But it's really such an over simplification to really place the blame solely on the puppet and not critique the whole system.
I suppose the former sells more records than the latter. For those into Lefty Punk though, I highly recommend Lard. Jellos sense of humor is prevalent throughout and it's a fun and generally catchy thing, I don't rate it as high as DK overall but it's still worth a listen.
He did a song based on the occupy Wall Street movement.
https://youtu.be/pWKfXxwmYpQ
Doesn't quite live up to the land of rape and honey era eh?
I tried to dig up some lyrics on the song.
All I can find is some patreon type shit where you can pre-buy the album and get some kind of special collector nerd box set, along with a preview of the liner notes. But you only get a glimpse of the first few verses unless you pony up.
http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/ministry/updates/85743#project_update85743_comments
Quote from: Johann on September 16, 2017, 05:54:45 PMhe's definitely a dedicated lefty...though unfortunately I feel that the approach is a bit juvenile...I remember being really bothered by all the bands using GWs' face on albums (not that I ever agreed with Bush or any republican/captailist ideals). But it's really such an over simplification to really place the blame solely on the puppet and not critique the whole system.
Guess that's because leftists rarely get smarter with age. If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 16, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
As is for either "side", learned behavior, or learned belief system (ie religion etc). People often run on
momentum; set in motion via parents or their youth experience. Before you know it, gaining humility and nuance in your systems is out of the realm of likeliness. As impossible as that might seem, I see that straight-line trajectory everywhere and all the time. I'm sure there's some sports link in here somewhere. Breaking rank is a powerful social pressure.
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 16, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: Johann on September 16, 2017, 05:54:45 PMhe's definitely a dedicated lefty...though unfortunately I feel that the approach is a bit juvenile...I remember being really bothered by all the bands using GWs' face on albums (not that I ever agreed with Bush or any republican/captailist ideals). But it's really such an over simplification to really place the blame solely on the puppet and not critique the whole system.
Guess that's because leftists rarely get smarter with age. If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
I think you are just taking pot shots here.
In Al's case I'm more inclined to think that whatever his personal politics might be are irrelevant. Ministry and a lot of other hot topic friendly bands sell a bland anti-authoritarian posture. Devoid of actual positions on things or actionable content. It's just this equivocal 'govt is bad' without anything to really back it up. At least a lot of the squatter punk bands would try and present some context for their anti-authoritarianism. Such as labor rights, anti-capitalism, racism etc.
The hot topic fuck government thing works really well with teenage angst and all that. While not being specific enough to alienate right or left leaning people.
Heck, got read the comments on that 'Antifa' video and see how many righties are surprised and butthurt that uncle Al would side with Antifa.
Guess they thought his anti-government shtick was a libertarian thing this whole time?
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 16, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
Guess that's because leftists rarely get smarter with age. If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
I think David Harvey and Paul Mattick definitely got smarter with age.
It's quite hard to gauge relative intelligence with junkie rockstars. If that's your vision of left wing, you're missing out.
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 16, 2017, 10:16:07 PMGuess that's because leftists rarely get smarter with age. If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
Replace leftists with "basically anyone that takes a hardline stance on either political spectrum" and I'm in complete agreement....
I think that there are things which require a hard line stance.
When people were dying of AIDS back in the 80's and 90's and politicians were hesitant to do anything about a disease which at the time disproportionately affected gays, junkie and immigrant people of color, a hard line stance was called for.
I'll respect certain unequivocal positions that people take when they are willing to actually stick their neck out, and not just hide behind a keyboard online.
That said there are a lot of identity positions people promulgate that are kind of bullshit.
MRA and fat rights people come to mind.
As well as religious people who claim they are under attack because the world doesn't revolve around them.
Quote from: eraciator on September 17, 2017, 02:04:49 AM
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 16, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
Guess that's because leftists rarely get smarter with age. If you follow an ideology for your whole life, it's very hard to admit you were wrong, even when reality becomes the falsification of your ideals.
I think David Harvey and Paul Mattick definitely got smarter with age.
It's quite hard to gauge relative intelligence with junkie rockstars. If that's your vision of left wing, you're missing out.
So did Samuel Huntington, but he is also not representative for all conservatives and right-wingers, just like the two theorists you've mentioned are not representative for antifa & co. Of course there are intellectuals on either side of the political spectrum that are miles apart from those who demonstrate on the streets, throw stones and burn stuff etc. Like user Johann said, that approach is very juvenile and not constructive, being "for" something is always better than to be "against" something. A similar example for such a "political" musician (not a junkie, though) would be Alec Empire from Atari Teenage Riot, that guy seems to be stuck with the mind of a 17yrs old anarchist.
And I also agree with Holy Ghost that you find such stubborn hardliners on the other ideological side as well - not to speak of religious fanatics.
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 17, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
So did Samuel Huntington, but he is also not representative for all conservatives and right-wingers, just like the two theorists you've mentioned are not representative for antifa & co. Of course there are intellectuals on either side of the political spectrum that are miles apart from those who demonstrate on the streets, throw stones and burn stuff etc. Like user Johann said, that approach is very juvenile and not constructive, being "for" something is always better than to be "against" something. A similar example for such a "political" musician (not a junkie, though) would be Alec Empire from Atari Teenage Riot, that guy seems to be stuck with the mind of a 17yrs old anarchist.
And I also agree with Holy Ghost that you find such stubborn hardliners on the other ideological side as well - not to speak of religious fanatics.
Oh so you meant "antifa" when you wrote "leftists"?
I know a bunch of people who were active in the 80s who are now in their 50s and 60s who are incredibly smart, politically. No names though, for obvious reasons. Admittedly there were some that just liked hitting people but I'd say they were in the minority.
I guess it depends on your social circle.
Quote from: eraciator on September 17, 2017, 11:37:14 AMOh so you meant "antifa" when you wrote "leftists"?
More or less, yes. I thought "leftist" is a derogatory term which implies a certain degree of extremism, should have been more precise.
i like junkie Al way better than political Al. he's kinda like the wacky uncle, face tattoos don't help his cause though.
Quote from: calaverasgrande on September 17, 2017, 04:17:42 AM
I'll respect certain unequivocal positions that people take when they are willing to actually stick their neck out, and not just hide behind a keyboard online.
That said there are a lot of identity positions people promulgate that are kind of bullshit.
MRA and fat rights people come to mind.
As well as religious people who claim they are under attack because the world doesn't revolve around them.
I don't want my comment to come across like I'm an advocate for an apolitical approach or some kind of Lebowski-ish nihilistic philosophy. I'm more referring to people (MRAs also come to mind) who are so caught up in whatever extremist dogma they're following they can't have a reasonable discussion or listen to reason.
This video basically sums up everything awful about the new "radical" left. Misinformed, bland, and all around uninteresting. How are kids suckered into thinking this shit is cool??
Quote from: F82123 on December 18, 2017, 01:34:10 AM
This video basically sums up everything awful about the new "radical" left. Misinformed, bland, and all around uninteresting. How are kids suckered into thinking this shit is cool??
How so misinformed?
In the awful graphics on the video- Fascist: someone who is intolerant or a bully.....last time I checked a bully does not a fascist make. One of the new left's favorite ploys. Anything they don't agree with is of course....fascist
Quote from: calaverasgrande on September 16, 2017, 03:52:10 AM
Can't quite follow the lyrics.
This is what I hear:
I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO YOU
I'LL BACK IT UP WITH MY FIST
SICK AND TIRED OF DEALING WITH ASSHOLES
THAT'S WHY I RESIST
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
RIGHT WING IS IN FREE FALL
SKINHEADS TAKIN' A DIVE
ANTIFA IS COMING FOR YOU
THEY WON'T SURVIVE
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
LOTS OF LITTLE SNOWFLAKES
NEVER WANT TO ADMIT
TERRIFIED OF THE RED AND BLACK FLAG
ANTIFA'S THE SHIT
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
Damn, that's a lot of snowflakes. There will be a white Christmas after all!
Quote from: Brad on December 18, 2017, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: calaverasgrande on September 16, 2017, 03:52:10 AM
Can't quite follow the lyrics.
This is what I hear:
I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO YOU
I'LL BACK IT UP WITH MY FIST
SICK AND TIRED OF DEALING WITH ASSHOLES
THAT'S WHY I RESIST
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
RIGHT WING IS IN FREE FALL
SKINHEADS TAKIN' A DIVE
ANTIFA IS COMING FOR YOU
THEY WON'T SURVIVE
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
LOTS OF LITTLE SNOWFLAKES
NEVER WANT TO ADMIT
TERRIFIED OF THE RED AND BLACK FLAG
ANTIFA'S THE SHIT
WE'RE NOT SNOWFLAKES
WE ARE THE ANTIFA
Kids, take heed! This is an example of what 30 years of heroin abuse has done to a once talented man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U
This is almost as cringe worthy as that Le Tigre tune/video where they endorsed Clinton.
The comments to the video are worth a read. Even the morons are laughing this.
Good lord!
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on December 18, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTkywyKV-9U
This is almost as cringe worthy as that Le Tigre tune/video where they endorsed Clinton.
The comments to the video are worth a read. Even the morons are laughing this.
Good lord!
Note: A positive thing to interlude here might be that a larger proportion of the internet public dislikes the video, than endorses the message. I am sure he has maggots in his rastas.
Those lyrics sound like they are seriously written by a 13 year old.
Al Jourgensen has released an official statement on his motivation for making this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZormHXjp8M
Yup! Drugs eventually make people retarded.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpouCwxyHzQ
aw c'mon now, lets not blame drugs for this... a nuts always a nut, sober or not...
i wish he'd shut up though, this nonsense is really ruining the 80's stuff for me.
Someone needs to give grandpa a bag of smack, like yesterday...
Perhaps everyone should start entertaining the radical notion that musicians - or celebrities in general - aren't actually important political thinkers, and that their views are entirely random and uninteresting. In fact, most historical cultures would have thought it absolutely retarded to turn to jesters, actors and general bums for political advice. This is one instance where our culture is seriously dumber than any other known one. Not even the Smurfs obey Music Smurf, and they certainly don't send their kids to him for political education - and the Galls certainly knew how to deal with Cacofonix (if Asterix is to be believed, which it obviously is).
Either way: anyone who makes fun of bands utilizing far right imagery (honestly, ironically or provocatively) for trying to be "edgy" and then watches this absolute cringefest without understanding how fucking cowardly and ridiculous it is should just be ashamed.
Hey this song ain't half bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEC49hTitI
Al with his current crew doing a not terrible imitation of his old band Ministry. Still plastic compared to what it was though.
Tolerated it until that fucking turntable scratching.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on April 30, 2018, 02:29:04 PM
Tolerated it until that fucking turntable scratching.
Heh, that's like literally in the first second! I like the big drums. The project's always been good for a laugh and this whole thread certainly delivers.