I'm beginning to get the ball rolling on this, a deluxe CD box including the first 3 classic Ultra LPs ('Youthful Pleasures', 'Zoll' and 'Spray/Death/Ultra') and also the 'Roman Holiday' tracks. I'm trying to gauge the interest in a release like this, since most people I know seem to be of the 'no one buys CDs anymore' mindset. If anyone has thoughts/opinions, please share. Thanks.
300-500 copies. Do it! NOW!!!
Looking forward to it.
Definitely interested.
Quote from: Dom America on December 01, 2010, 01:01:46 AM...most people I know seem to be of the 'no one buys CDs anymore' mindset.
Surely there would be an audience for a release like this.
Very interested, though I also wouldn't mind seeing nice LP reissues like you did for Roman Holiday. Either way I'd buy them.
I think noise CD's still sell well. It's all matter of doing realistic pressing of something what stands out a bit. From my personal experiences I could say CD's are the format what sells the most, and easiest.
Put me down for a copy please!!
I rarely do buy CD's but when I do it's for compendiums like this. VERY INTERESTED.
Absolutely interested!.....disc set would be ACE
The live tape is a fraud/joke.
I traded the debut LP to a friend as he wanted it badly & had something I wanted (a Broken Flag LP, I think) so I definitely want to hear it again. "Zoll" is excellant & was the first thing The Saint sent me along with some tasty sex crime images.
The 3rd LP, I have one of 4 letter'd boxset editions; me & the 3 band members. Mine has extra layers of black paint. Too bad the Spanish artist quit doing those weird clay figure creatures he made...
I still buy CDs and would purchase this ASAP!
Quote from: SILVUM on December 01, 2010, 11:22:12 AM
Would you add the live 1986 CS material as another disc, or maybe as a bonus tape reissue for pre-orders or something?
Like Keith said, this tape isn't really official and is a fake 'live' recording. I don't even have a copy, though I downloaded it recently and was surprised at it's listenability. One of the songs on there that did not make the 1st LP may see the light of day at a later date.
Thanks for all of the feedback. I will be going ahead with this project when I get the budget to do so, hopefully within the next year.
i'll buy this
please do reissue it.... on cassette ;)
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on December 01, 2010, 06:22:10 PM
The 3rd LP, I have one of 4 letter'd boxset editions; me & the 3 band members. Mine has extra layers of black paint. Too bad the Spanish artist quit doing those weird clay figure creatures he made...
There are at least five of these, as I have one as well, which I got from Saint Degeneratus at the time that it came out. I wish I hadn't worn out the T-shirt...
I have pretty much everything that ULTRA has done, and I would even buy this CD box set. My understanding is that there are at lease a few odds and ends from that period (like the ULTRA cover of CHARLES MANSON "Garbage Dump") that would make the box worth having. Plus it would be nice to have a CD burn of "Zoll" to slip in the car stereo while cruising around.
I have a unreleased Ultra song on tape. I was given the lyrics to use & the tape of their version. I forgot to give St. Deg. credit but he wrote the lyrics for "King of Kings" on Indecent Liberties.
Seems like a nice remastered version of "Zoll" would be an interesting listening experience. New details may come to light... love the echoy buried vocals.
Keith I'd really like to hear that track if you can get me a copy. I may already have it, if you can get me the title I'll check.
The Manson cover was "Home Is Where You're Happy", and it was originally intended for an Elvis tribute comp on the Odd Size label. Of course it didn't make the cut after the ruse was discovered. In any case it won't be seeing a release, as it was re-worked and ended up on 'Spray/Death/Ultra' as 'Mullhalde' IIRC.
The box will most likely be comprised of only the 1st 3 LPs + 'Roman Holiday' put onto 3 discs. Remastered, of course.
i'd like to thank this thread for literally changing my life. i always heard ULTRA is passing, but this thread made me decide to grab the newer ROMAN HOLIDAY 2lp + 7"... then make investments in the aquilifer sodality 7"... then the ZOLL and SPRAY/DEATH/ULTRA vinyls. i just ordered a backup copy of the 7" - easily one of the greatest noise releases i own.
seriously - for myself the order goes like this now:
DEAD BODY LOVE
OVMN
INCAPACITANTS
MAUTHAUSEN ORCHESTRA
ULTRA
The ball is finally beginning to roll on this long-delayed project, and I would like to get some feedback from SI forum members if possible. I don't buy CDs with rare exception, so I don't know what people prefer with their boxed sets. Right now the plan is 4 discs (first 3 LPs plus a 13 track version of 'Roman Holiday') in simple sleeves packaged inside of a normal 'boxset' style box with lid. My own personal problem with boxed sets is that I've noticed the more awkward the packaging, the less likely I am to pull it out and listen to it. So my questions for you here are: What sort of packaging would you like to see on a release such as this, and what do you think is a good median retail price?
Also the original artwork is out of the question, so please don't ask.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
You can pick up the original cds for just a few euros on Discogs so if it's too expensive i think it won't sell very good... Me personally, i still buy and listen to cds.
I agree. I think very moderate pricing is best key to success.
Not to focus on technical massivity of packaging. Like huge neat looking box sets. But focus on actual substance. A lot of packaging gimmicks has lost their effect. All sorts of embossed, foil printed, odd shaped, too big, too uncomfortable to storage kind of things. As individual item it may appear nice, but nowadays it really is just one "special box set" among hundreds. Therefore I think moderate price and compact packaging appeals to many. To just have lots of substance, but not unnecessary bling bling.
Very interesting release, I'd surely buy it! I guess normal jewel case with space for four cds would be the way to go in your case. Special packaging can be nice, but as it was said before, everybody has seen their share of special editions and it doesn't turn any heads anymore. Plus I think that a lot of special edition digipacks are not thought through, for example the type used for Barzel - Born to Destroy Amalek or the latest Vomit Arsonist, where the cd is actually lying directly on the cardboard and you have to leave fingerprints on the underside of the disc and maybe scratch to get it out (happened to me with my copy of GO - Remember). Nice artwork and a nice booklet with songtexts and/or a good share of pictures are always a great incentive, maybe also a fold out poster or some other gimick? I agree with the moderate price idea, people simply like bargains. Don't know how low one could go without losing too much money, maybe something like 25-40 €?
In the case of 3CD and 4CD boxes, I really appreciate the 4CD jewel case. Wouldn't be fun or cheap to ship, though. It's unfortunate that all the original graphics are out of the question. It could make for an easy, pragmatic, yet best case scenario for the simple packaging. If not all the original information, maybe no information at all. Do it "right" or completely generic (old school definition of generic).
Intricate/complicated boxes are definitely a turn off if it quickly becomes difficult to put the cd's back in.
3-4 CD jewel cases tend to break during shipping a lot, in my experience anyway, and would probably weigh a lot.
Maybe CD's in envelopes in a cardboard box could work, although I have a bad habit of misplacing those envelopes and end up putting them in replacements that don't match, which is kind of bothersome, but maybe I'm just an idiot.
Super excited for this, hope it works out.
An extra CD with odds and ends would be a nice touch. Or, extra tracks on each CD.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on February 26, 2013, 06:49:09 PM
You can pick up the original cds for just a few euros on Discogs so if it's too expensive i think it won't sell very good... Me personally, i still buy and listen to cds.
These have never been released on CD before, aside from the original 'Roman Holiday', so I'm not sure what you are referring to.
In any case I don't plan on making this very expensive. Just curious about mean pricing, but I will look around at work and see what we are selling CD boxes for. I know that the Natural Snow Buildings 3CD is retailing for around $18, and the Oneohtrix 3CD at $14.
I like the idea of two double-disc jewelcases with an outer slipcase, but like someone mentioned they are a pain in the neck when the corners break. Right now we are leaning towards the simple box with lid, with mini-LP sleeves on the inner. There will be new artwork but it will be simple and effective. I love the original LP covers, but even in the case of Heemann agreeing to let his art be used, it probably wouldn't be as striking in such a small size.
Thanks again for the input, I appreciate it.
I was just having a quick look because i'm not so familiar with the project (just have the first 7") & saw a bunch of cheap Roman Holiday & Stain cds. Good luck with this project!
Maybe I just missed it but will there be any other material then the music? I.e. interview with the boys, writing about bullfighting or anything else that might add up to the experience? I really liked the booklet that came with the Broken Flag box and a lot people appreciated the booklet we made with the release of the RJF CD.
Yep. Even the 4xCD jewelbox thing allows pretty thick CD size booklet... or two. Artwork and text never bad choice. I rather take that (substance) over some custom made neat printing gimmicks.
Would definitely be interested in this. As far as packaging I really like individual (cardbord)slipcases for each disc and maybe a booklet inside a box. Something like the 5"box shown here http://www.locationsound.com/images/reel_box.jpg (http://www.locationsound.com/images/reel_box.jpg), simple and not too expensive. Would much rather see that kind of packaging than 4CD jewelcase.
I use to get postcards from St. Degeneratus mailed from Spain & Mexico during bullfighting season. Too bad Ultra is no longer active; it'd be interesting to see what he'd come up with living in Thailand...
however it's packaged, i'm really looking forward to this.
personally, i do not like the 4xcd jewel cases.. or over the top deluxe packages that are a pain in the ass to shelve..
Quote from: KMusselman on February 28, 2013, 12:28:38 AM
As for packaging, how about something like Sophia - The Collected Works 2000 - 2003 on Cyclic Law?
I'm not a fan of oddsize packaging personally, and have gotten rid of almost any release that is in such a package that it can't be filed easily along the other tapes, 7"s or LPs. This includes any 5"/8"/10" releases and certainly any CDs that are not in a square shape. That book looks nice, but is not very practical in my opinion.
I think the Pica Disk boxsets are perfect: sturdy and easy to file among other CDs. Nothing too fancy or over the top, just good-looking packaging easy to handle. Though more important than the actual shape of the box would be any extras. Flyers, photos etc is of course great, but liner notes, interviews, any written material basically, is what I'm looking for the most in a release like this.
I agree, unfortunately there is not much of that when it comes to Ultra. I do have some old promotional fliers and artwork from the era that I will be incorporating.
QuoteI do have some old promotional fliers and artwork from the era that I will be incorporating.
I am so excited for this set.
Okay, the ball is finally rolling. Unfortunately it turns out that a lot of the old Ultra fliers I have appear to be fanmade so they will not be included in the booklet, but there will be a few as well as lyrics for the three proper albums and select tracks from 'Roman Holiday', as well as some background information to the recording sessions. All I am waiting on now is the booklet layout and a few photos for the disc covers, hoping for a late summer release. The packaging will be mini-LP style sleeves that slide into a sideloader box, similar to the Coil 'Ape of Naples' LP box (but smaller of course). No final price yet but will probably be in the $18-$20 range.
"Ultra 'Delirious Elaborations 1987-1997' 4-CD box (DOM US 22)
Contains 'Youthful Pleasures', 'Zoll', 'Spray/Death/Ultra' and 'Roman Holiday' (13 track edition). Collects all of the recorded output of the 'classic' Ultra lineup of St Degeneratus, Herr Mucke and Dr Tengelmann (Jon Carlson, Achim Flaam, and Christoph Heemann) along with lyrics, artwork and liner notes. "
Thanks to The Rita and Wertham for their assistance in obtaining some of the photos we will be using.
oh FUCK YES.
Is there any update on this box set ?
When you release it, put me down for a copy! Sounds great!
Any news on this release ? He was talking about a possible late summer release, that's quite a while ago......
Sign me up. take my money.
Summer 2014. Working on it this week actually. I appreciate everyone's interest and patience.
Excellent news! Already have the LP's, so I'm especially excited about the booklet. Having copies of this stuff on CD will be definitely be nice and handy. Such an incredible band. These works need to be preserved.
Question: Does anyone out there have any Ultra related promo material that they may be able to scan and send me? I think I have most everything that is out there, but I want to be sure. I'm especially interested in any promo fliers/ads for 'Spray/Death/Ultra' and the 'Roman Holiday' initial release. PM me and let me know if what you have, and I'll cross reference with my archives. Thanks in advance.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/weltbrand/weltbrand003/ultra_zps5fd4ef7d.jpg)
This is the greatest thing HAPPENING.
I remember getting promo sheets but I doubt I still have them. I have a huge stack of personal letters & postcards mailed from Mexico/Spain when he went to see bullfights. Want to include those?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 21, 2014, 07:54:23 PM
I remember getting promo sheets but I doubt I still have them. I have a huge stack of personal letters & postcards mailed from Mexico/Spain when he went to see bullfights. Want to include those?
Ah, probably not.
have to check if I have Roman Holiday stuff. cannot access my archive until next week end and not sure if I still have, but will do.
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 21, 2014, 09:30:26 PM
have to check if I have Roman Holiday stuff. cannot access my archive until next week end and not sure if I still have, but will do.
I have one small promo ad for it, but that's all.
The box is currently in production and should be out by the end of September. I will post here when it's ready of course.
If there are any other message boards I should post about it on, please let me know.
Any news on this release ?
Yes, it is finished and en route to me. The shipment is supposed to arrive on Wednesday and I will put them up for sale on Friday. For wholesale please contact me direct through domamerica@gmail.com.
The set looks beautiful, I think. Many thanks to Wertham and The Rita for helping with the source photography, and to Neolithic for the design work.
glad it is out!!!
out now:
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=5313.0
Got this in the mail today. Truly outstanding work on a beautiful set. An unbeatable deal and absolutely essential.
This is a great and beautiful release, not to mention that it is inexpensive, for what it offers ! Great deal !
Thank you.
If anyone has recommendations for European distro, please get in touch. So far I have only had wholesale orders from Japan.
Quote from: Dom America on December 10, 2014, 11:10:57 PM
Thank you.
If anyone has recommendations for European distro, please get in touch. So far I have only had wholesale orders from Japan.
Peripheral Records, Freak Animal, Old Europa Cafe...
Might be too early, but I just want to suggest another box set, with the "2nd incarnation" releases;
Lifestyle CD
Stain CD
+
Sweet Flowers In The Spring/Society Of Unkissed Beauties 7"
I Can't Stand A Bitchy Chick/New Centurion 7"
Dedicated To Hans Bellmer 7"
+
"Wad," "La Reunion," "Clusterfuck II," "Yohimbe" compilation tracks
+
"Subway Etiquette Mk II" & "La Fixation Insupportable" misc. tracks.
I think I'm not alone in saying this is much-needed. It would make such a handsome 4xCD set.
The idea is appreciated, but that won't be happening. "Lifestyle" is fairly easy to come by, and I have hundreds of "Stain" CDs still.
As for the "Sweet Flowers.." 7", I think that masterpiece is best experienced in it's natural form ;)
The rest of those tracks were re-released on the expanded "Roman Holiday" 2LP/7", though I realize that's not digital.
Quote from: Peterson on December 16, 2014, 02:58:15 AM
Might be too early, but I just want to suggest another box set, with the "2nd incarnation" releases;
Lifestyle CD
Stain CD
+
Sweet Flowers In The Spring/Society Of Unkissed Beauties 7"
I Can't Stand A Bitchy Chick/New Centurion 7"
Dedicated To Hans Bellmer 7"
+
"Wad," "La Reunion," "Clusterfuck II," "Yohimbe" compilation tracks
+
"Subway Etiquette Mk II" & "La Fixation Insupportable" misc. tracks.
I think I'm not alone in saying this is much-needed. It would make such a handsome 4xCD set.
Very good box! Listened today all discs without breaks, and when Roman Holiday ended, it wasn't like "finally", but more like "more?"
I like compact format of box. I appreciate the clean and perfect sound. Liner notes, sexy pics. Considering affordable, if not even CHEAP price, it's pretty much flawless re-issue! Very much recommended even if you'd happen to own some of the albums before this.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 02, 2015, 08:53:20 PM
Very good box! Listened today all discs without breaks, and when Roman Holiday ended, it wasn't like "finally", but more like "more?"
I like compact format of box. I appreciate the clean and perfect sound. Liner notes, sexy pics. Considering affordable, if not even CHEAP price, it's pretty much flawless re-issue! Very much recommended even if you'd happen to own some of the albums before this.
Thanks for the kind words, Mikko.