If anyone has experience with pressing 100-200 7"/12" and is satisfied with the production- brief info would be appreciated.
If someone have some info about lowest run please send it.
www.mobineko.com
Used them for several vinyl pressings, going from 100 to 250.
Mostly Metal stuff, but the Sektor 304 I've released was pressed by them and I'm very satisfied.
Thanks- the prices they offer are not particularly appealing for low-runs; it all costs the same up until 300 copies, and then 15% less then 500.
I got the following quote from a friend that used AMEISE (Germany) - but seems like the plant is no more; anyway, I like to think there's someone else offering the same deal:
200 x 7" copies WITHOUT COVER = 476€ (black) or 516€ (colored), postage included
For 7"s, many have said my45.de does fast nowadays. They always had good sound and good vinyl quality, but my experiences was horrible with several months delays. For their benefit, it was supposedly caused by having out-sourced metal works, so man with pressing plant and laquer cut machines is helpless is company doing actual pressing plates delays it.
But now several guys told it's like 8 weeks or so to make decent prices vinyl.
Mobineko, as far as I can tell, should be launching their own pressing plant during this spring. Now, they have been broker who used MPO (france), who is hit & miss for quality. When all goes fine, it's great. But often LP's are warped, cup-shaped or other flaws. Often nothing that would affect sound itself, but visually can be annoying. Mobineko says their factory should be higher quality - but of course, it will not be in Europe.
This was of help, thanks!
If anyone else here has used their services- curious to hear.
I used Mobineko once and Flight 13 also. Both were good without any Complains. Actualy it was before these RSD Shit, so all have now Heavy Delay Times cause of this.
http://www.audio.cd/ runs also low Quantity, but never worked with them myself. is Steinklang Industries
Quote from: Ivan on February 26, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
Thanks- the prices they offer are not particularly appealing for low-runs; it all costs the same up until 300 copies, and then 15% less then 500.
I got the following quote from a friend that used AMEISE (Germany) - but seems like the plant is no more; anyway, I like to think there's someone else offering the same deal:
200 x 7" copies WITHOUT COVER = 476€ (black) or 516€ (colored), postage included
I have a friend who had an awful experience with Ameise, just saying...
Also used Ameise. The first ever vinyl I've made was pressed there. Turnaround time was always big, but on my last order, it was like 6 months or something. another thing about Ameise... they are or were, not sure, Antifa so, anything a bit related with other political themes will end up cancelled.
Bad news if Mobineko will make a factory outside Europe. Customs will make it impossibl€ to work with them.
Quote from: Urban Noise on February 27, 2018, 11:37:32 AM
Also used Ameise. The first ever vinyl I've made was pressed there. Turnaround time was always big, but on my last order, it was like 6 months or something. another thing about Ameise... they are or were, not sure, Antifa so, anything a bit related with other political themes will end up cancelled.
Bad news if Mobineko will make a factory outside Europe. Customs will make it impossibl€ to work with them.
Ameise is indeed Left Winged and Antifa related, got a cancellation cause of working with a "Bad" label from them.
Mobineko press the CDs already in Hong Kong, so they are someking of Broker anyway
I've made a CD from them and yes, came from out of EU, not sure from where now or if the factory is from Mobineko or if they just work with them, but it was a painful experience because of Customs so, first and last try. The CDs are great, but with all the trouble it is not worth it.
8merch.com also work with small pressings. No idea about the vinyl, but the CDs are good.
Had about 20 releases pressed through Mobineko. Very satisfied with the quality and service.
Please note that Portuguese Customs are the most fucked up out there, not only on taxes but with all the bureaucratic shit, so, my view on receiving stuff from outside of EU is very particular. Mobineko is great for sure and probably people from other countries will not have the kind of problems I had to receive their CD's.
Regarding the new vinyl factory they made, I've read in a newsletter they will handle the transport from Taiwan to Europe and only then sending it to the costumer. So, if this happens, no more Customs problems are to be expected. I guess.
I've had problems with Mobineko. Their service isn't the best and the slightest hitch, even under the most mitigating of circumstances, are either ignored and therefore multiplied as the Mobineko machine chugs on, or they just leave up to you with precious little back up from them. I've had some relatively simple things go wrong due to that. One example being the locked groove on the last SHIFT album which turned up with no locked groove at all. Their reasoning being it was too complicated so they just ignored it and didn't even tell me. When I went nuts their response was one of "due to this we've decided to stop providing locked grooves for future orders". Not really the response I expect as a paying customer with multiple orders to my name. Eventually it was rectified elsewhere by someone more reliable.
All in all the end result have mostly been good but the route there can be unnecessarily complicated. My experience of their MPO pressings is very good. Their vinyl sounds gorgeous! Sleeves tend to be good too. If only they could improve their customer service a bit.
I'm curious to see the result of them going it alone but I'll wait for the report from others before I risk anything myself.
Any pressing plants still doing editions of 50 copies nowadays?
No. Go for lathe's. Or press 100 pcs and piss half of it.
There is also Vinilificio in Italy that does low runs, but I do not have any experience with them.
Quote from: monotome on March 07, 2018, 06:49:53 PM
No. Go for lathe's.
Is there a place to make lathes in Europe? the only place which I know is in New Zealand...
Discarchive (Germany) (http://"http://www.discarchive.de/"), Handemade Vinyl Records (France) (http://"http://www.handmadevinylrecords.com/"), 345RPM (UK) (http://"http://www.345rpm.com/home.html"), Bee Binyl (Poland, I think) (http://"http://beevinyl.com/index.html"), maybe there are more. Leep in mind lathes are not cheap and doing a run of 50 is almost, if not as expensive as doing a run of 100 regular vinyl at Mobineko.
Quote from: monotome on March 10, 2018, 09:38:05 PM
Discarchive (Germany) (http://"http://www.discarchive.de/"), Handemade Vinyl Records (France) (http://"http://www.handmadevinylrecords.com/"), 345RPM (UK) (http://"http://www.345rpm.com/home.html"), Bee Binyl (Poland, I think) (http://"http://beevinyl.com/index.html"), maybe there are more. Leep in mind lathes are not cheap and doing a run of 50 is almost, if not as expensive as doing a run of 100 regular vinyl at Mobineko.
Thanks! I will check those. I was thinking about editions like 15-20.
checked: yes, very expensive. If I remember well, the prices in Peter King's place in NZ are not so expensive.
Discarchive are friends of mine, and have worked with them recently to press the Scatmother 7" --- sounded great, better than any lathes I've ever heard before. They made me the records in only a few days. But it's still pricey to press records in this fashion, for example selling these for 10 euro each made me less than 1 euro profit each item, not factoring in paypal fees, cost of shipping supplies, etc.. Basically they are great if you want to press a record to have it out there in the world, but don't go into it with any other mindset.
Maybe lathe cut could require topic of their own?
I think tech has improved... or simplified quite a lot. Basically "anyone" could set up their own lathe cut factory.
I'm sure many are familiar with company who sells lathe-cut machinery, which doesn't require you to invest into full on industrial level neumann lathes etc. However, some of new lathe cut places seems to use these, and sound has been very good. Way way beyond the old "kings records" plastic discs -level.
http://www.vinylrecorder.com/index-e.html
I guess people are now cutting to real vinyl, instead of soft plastic. It wears needle quicker, but sound can be pretty much what you have on vinyl pressing (depending on audio you cut). Some of these recent years cut-on-vinyl lathes has sounded clear, full and ripping. No more the hollow and thin mid frequency snot.
I can't count how many times I have thought about having lathe of my own, but equally many times I start to calculate how long it actually takes to produce even small editions of stuff. And to make relevant releases, not just 2 minute one sider lathes for sake of collectors niche. But who knows...
Has anyone here tried Mobineko since they started pressing vinyl themselves yet?
I have one LP in production right now. I also placed a 10" order recently which they cancelled because apparently there were too many quality problems with their 10"s and they were still looking for a solution.. Had to switch to Pirate Press (GZ) for this.
https://www.lathetrolls.com/ essential forum for all lathe-cutting infos
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on April 07, 2018, 11:35:03 PMI have one LP in production right now. I also placed a 10" order recently which they cancelled because apparently there were too many quality problems with their 10"s and they were still looking for a solution.. Had to switch to Pirate Press (GZ) for this.
Thank you for your very useful information. I've done the same and gone with GZ for the 10" I'm working on.
^^^Got a price on the 10" run?^^^
A little update on my last Mobineko order; took 4 months but they arrived last week and i was pleased with the quality..
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on June 22, 2018, 10:16:17 PM
A little update on my last Mobineko order; took 4 months but they arrived last week and i was pleased with the quality..
Thank you.
I'm pressing the next Detrimental Effect album there and the TP's are rougher sounding than what the MPO vinyl used to be. DT is happy though so we'll proceed.
https://www.100vinyl.com/ (https://www.100vinyl.com/)
Any experiences?
It seems that my45.de is nowadays doing also 12" vinyl. Minimum run is 300. Their 7"s always sounded exceptionally good, I'd say. Not cheapest place, but should be fairly fast nowadays.
Anyone with current recommendations for pressing 10" records? It seems very few people are offering them at the moment...
I second the request if anyone has experience of information about https://www.100vinyl.com/
Currently something I'm having done at mobienko is delayed with no real given reason. It would seem their equipment is very picky with audio specs and other things. If there is any issue or things are not cookie cutter there is problems, which is very frustrating.
Has anyone known of or used?
http://monotypepressing.pl
Quote from: CosmicWeaponOfThule on September 17, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
Has anyone known of or used?
http://monotypepressing.pl
I have a friend who has been using them fairly exclusively for the last year and has had great experiences, said that the communication + product was great.
I have 2 records in production with Mobineko right now. Shipping is now 215 euros within Europe instead of free. I checked out Monotype Pressing and the prices are very tempting. Any more experiences here on this board?
Monotype have been good so far. I'm yet to receive the LP's though but the TP's sounded very good and their service has also been good.
One place I will warn everyone about is 8Merch. I did the ABSCHEU LP there and although the quality of the work was good their customer service is awful. I tried placing further orders twice and got snooty emails about the necessity of forms for copyright organisations and from there no more replies. Avoid!
Bump, any further updates on Monotype pressings?
I've always liked the quality of Steinklang vinyls and someone mentioned Audio.cd does their pressing, but their site is no longer in operation?
been working with monotype for cd's for a few years now and never a problem. i don't know where they make vinyls... or how their vinyls sound... but for cd's it's xlent.
but back to original topic:
for vinyl seems there's not too many good things to be heard about mobineko. apparently some dude in the uk handles the bizznezz, but production is in taiwan, so the shipping alone is crazy. last week i received a crappy sounding LP from a project for ikuisuus records, droning space travel music... so a clean cut is imperative. but whoa: crackling and popping throughout, on both sides.... totally different from test pressing, which had no issues - what i did for mastering is on the test press, not the whole batch of finished products. now label boss timo has to go through the whole drag of reclamation bla bla bla and more delay... so at the moment i have the feeling that Vinyl Plant in estonia and RANDmuzik in germany have the highest quality, but they're not the cheapest. at this point i'm just tired of crapp and would rather pay for quality than save... what... 50e? 100e?
Avoid duophonic, Germany. They're cheap but not worth quality-wise.
mobineko gossip: to continue the ongoing drama regarding the aforementioned record on ikuisuus label...
"For future reference no matter where you press, we have some strong warnings on our order system that pressing "ambient / experimental" music on vinyl is very difficult and many turntables struggle to playback this kind of material because it contains a lot of white and pink noise at difficult frequencies. Especially when you have 20+ minutes per side lacquer is not a suitable cutting medium for anything like this and you should really cut on DMM like we recommend.
Almost all marks on the vinyl I was able to easily wipe off with a soft anti static cloth. They are rubbing against the inners for hours at a time in planes and trucks, you are going to get oils rubbing off from the lining and there's not much anyone can do about it."
mobineko boss claims he tried some records from this batch, and just "cleaned the record with an antistatic cloth" and magically fixed the issue (didnt work here, not even washing gently). also argues that the annoyance might be the sleeves during shipping... hmmm... the records came in black paper bags which have plastic bag inside... so: bad sleeves?
then: what pink noise? maybe on harsh/noise/full blast distortion records, but not here.
and: many good sounding drone/space ritual records exist. here audio does not go stupid deep, low, wide, or loud.
again: the test pressings sound xlent, why such a huge difference between those and duplication?
ca.1,5 years ago our band made an album at vinyl plant, estonia.. bad sequencing, their mistake, they fixed it super fast... no arm wrestling required.. also they sound xlent, and the corrected batch arrived on time for the gigs.
Quote from: pentd on June 04, 2020, 11:41:18 PM
mobineko gossip: to continue the ongoing drama regarding the aforementioned record on ikuisuus label...
"For future reference no matter where you press, we have some strong warnings on our order system that pressing "ambient / experimental" music on vinyl is very difficult and many turntables struggle to playback this kind of material because it contains a lot of white and pink noise at difficult frequencies. Especially when you have 20+ minutes per side lacquer is not a suitable cutting medium for anything like this and you should really cut on DMM like we recommend.
Almost all marks on the vinyl I was able to easily wipe off with a soft anti static cloth. They are rubbing against the inners for hours at a time in planes and trucks, you are going to get oils rubbing off from the lining and there's not much anyone can do about it."
mobineko boss claims he tried some records from this batch, and just "cleaned the record with an antistatic cloth" and magically fixed the issue (didnt work here, not even washing gently). also argues that the annoyance might be the sleeves during shipping... hmmm... the records came in black paper bags which have plastic bag inside... so: bad sleeves?
then: what pink noise? maybe on harsh/noise/full blast distortion records, but not here.
and: many good sounding drone/space ritual records exist. here audio does not go stupid deep, low, wide, or loud.
again: the test pressings sound xlent, why such a huge difference between those and duplication?
ca.1,5 years ago our band made an album at vinyl plant, estonia.. bad sequencing, their mistake, they fixed it super fast... no arm wrestling required.. also they sound xlent, and the corrected batch arrived on time for the gigs.
How many copies did you press? If the test pressings sounded good the same matrix should be used for pressing the batch. Unless they cut the TPs and fucked you over.
I appreciate the difficult (financial) situation a pressing plant service might find itself in dealing with a faulty batch - essentially "repairing" means to trash everything and do it all over again.
However, if you make an offer to manufacture records within physical limits and the customer provides data according to the specifications you've set, to me this is a guarantee that the vinyl will play and you should be held liable if it doesn't.
To avoid all confusion you should probably work with a pre-mastering engineer who knows how to prepare a cut or better yet cuts themselves and who you trust to prepare releases that are important to you. If you prepare the material yourself and you're not familiar with lacqueur or DM cutting physics, the dynamics and frequencies might come back to haunt you. Especially if you just send the files over expecting a cheap run without test pressings. Vinyl has physical limitations and not "anything is possible". Then again, this also doesn't mean nothing crazy is possible. As a pressing plant, if 20 minutes per side is a concern to you - don't offer it. Also utterances like "lots of white and pink noise at difficult frequencies" sound like someone is playing you for a fool.
I decided to part ways with Mobineko after 2 releases I wasn't really happy about (micro scratches, dirty records). I have now 3 releases in production through Deepgrooves in The Netherlands. It's not the cheapest option but they seem to deliver quality. I saw a comment on 8Merch from Poland which I used for a cassette release a while ago and I have to say I was quite happy with the results and communications. Can't comment on the vinyl though.
Anyone else ordered vinyl with Monotype this year and experiencing a drop in comms and months-long delays?
Deepgrooves in Holland went bankrupt 2 months ago. Had 4 records in production there that were fully paid for. After a reorganization the new owners just offered me a deal to complete these orders. Still losing a lot of money but it looks better than before. Heard more plants are struggling.