Poste Italiane have good news for the new year. The international shippings increase from 2,50 euro to 4,50 euro for a 100/250 grams weight small packet (Europe). From 4,20 euro to 7 euro same weight to USA, Japan and not european places. I'm wondering how's the situation in USA, Germany, UK, Finland etc? You can call it a poll or just curiosity but I think it's a shame an increase of 2/3 euro for a shit service very well know in all the world.
Swedish postage is incredibly expensive. I don't remember the exact costs, but I think it is even more than what your rates are after the increase. The Swedish Postal Service has quite reasonable service, though... But we surely have to pay for it!
Quote from: Ritual on January 13, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
Swedish postage is incredibly expensive. I don't remember the exact costs, but I think it is even more than what your rates are after the increase. The Swedish Postal Service has quite reasonable service, though... But we surely have to pay for it!
The most expensive shipinig is in Poland. Sending a package over one kilo in Europe: 16 EU;
to JAPAN/USA: 25 EU
any questions :)?
Nope. Sweden between 1-2 kilos inside Europe 24,46 EURO/outside Europe 29,35 EURO. And if it is a "large" letter i.e. anything bigger than a A4 letter it is another 2,7 EURO.
I was so tired of foreign people canceling their orders because of the shipping that i started to charge a maximum of 150 sek (approx. 15 euros) for shipping, label pays the difference. I think the only country with higher shipping rates than Sweden is Norway, but i might be wrong.
Quote from: Ritual on January 13, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
Swedish postage is incredibly expensive. I don't remember the exact costs, but I think it is even more than what your rates are after the increase. The Swedish Postal Service has quite reasonable service, though... But we surely have to pay for it!
It's a good and reasonable point. High postal rates but quality service
If I had a vinyl label I would like to be based in Germany - they have the lowest postage prices to my knowledge, probably due to the country being quite big and people living all over. Maybe also due to German Post being involved with DHL, but packages outside the country are not that cheap.
Good to have the Russian Fund here in Sweden!
Canada has ridiculous rates. It costs more to send one LP to anywhere INSIDE Canada than to ANYWHERE ELSE in the world. $7.77 to the USA, $9.54 world, $8+ - $13+ in Canada (not including the territories, which are $14-$16 to ship there).
We have no option for Media Mail like the USA does. It cost me $45 to send 10 LPs to Macedonia a few years back, and $65 to send 30 9"s to Germany. That's SURFACE mail. Airmail for that package to Germany would have been $115. $25 to send 10 9"s to the USA.
I could go deeper... I've calculated all costs and know what they are exactly for shipping 1 or 2 LPs anywhere. Prices are due to go up again any day now...
Not sure of weight but it's a bit less than $5 for a tape to Europe & around $12-15 for a LP depending on how much extra cardboard you put in for protection. $15 would get 2 LPs shipped airmail. Haven't sent anything to Japan in a long time but prices are, maybe, just a bit more.
europe
up to:
50g = 1,05
100g = 1,50
250g = 2,40
500g = 4,00
1000g = 7,30
2000g = 13,40
50g = 1,50
100g = 3,10
250g = 5,20
500g = 8,50
1000g = 15,40
2000g = 27,50
but if it is 3cm thicker or 25cm wider applies "maxiletter"
250g = 5,50
500g = 8,70
1000g = 12,30
1500 = 17,50
2000g = 24,50
overseas
250g 7,70
500g 13,55
1000g 23,80
1500g 32,20
2000g 41,80
packages
starts from c. 35 euros = 1kg, and gradually up. 30kg = 100euro in europe, 150 to USA, 300 euro to australia.
These are standard customer prices at post of finland.
I run a company, and I got different deals. What I charge (2 euro for any amount of cd/tape/7") is way less than they actually cost me, but necessary measure, just like Matthias mentions. Sending LP's overseas is hopeless anyways.
Quote from: Nil By Mouth on January 13, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
Poste Italiane have good news for the new year. The international shippings increase from 2,50 euro to 4,50 euro for a 100/250 grams weight small packet (Europe). From 4,20 euro to 7 euro same weight to USA, Japan and not european places. I'm wondering how's the situation in USA, Germany, UK, Finland etc? You can call it a poll or just curiosity but I think it's a shame an increase of 2/3 euro for a shit service very well know in all the world.
holy shit! wasn't aware of that... SHIT!
anyway let me say i've almost never had any problems with our (italian) postal system (and i'm an heavy ebay/discogs user and trade a lot too), so i still think it's just a common place to blame it, imho
(only actual and serious problem i've ever had was by UNregistered shit from the US, when it was bulkier than couple CDs and probably marked as 'gift', especially, or even better, exclusively with clothing, some simply 'got lost', read 'parked in the customs and never ever leaved from there', lost some good money because of that.... since i'm choosing priority mail international for that kind of goods, never had any problem again)
Quote from: shakehurst on January 13, 2011, 09:29:42 PM
Canada has ridiculous rates. It costs more to send one LP to anywhere INSIDE Canada than to ANYWHERE ELSE in the world. $7.77 to the USA, $9.54 world, $8+ - $13+ in Canada (not including the territories, which are $14-$16 to ship there).
We have no option for Media Mail like the USA does. It cost me $45 to send 10 LPs to Macedonia a few years back, and $65 to send 30 9"s to Germany. That's SURFACE mail. Airmail for that package to Germany would have been $115. $25 to send 10 9"s to the USA.
I could go deeper... I've calculated all costs and know what they are exactly for shipping 1 or 2 LPs anywhere. Prices are due to go up again any day now...
That's good to know. I'm moving this Summer and there's a 50% chance I'll land in Canada. It's been up in the air on whether I'll continue the label after the move, but if it's to Canada, this may make the decision for me. I would be in Kingston or Victoria, which would be easy to take my orders with me to New York or Seattle (respectively) - maybe that would be an option, though I wonder what customs would do about it.
this is something i have been thinking about recently. whould it be more benificial to smaller international labels to order their releases locally from a distro, (i am in the US) or directly from the label? obviously, ordering from overseas would be more expensive for me, the buyer, but what about the label? i suppose it depends on the labels shipping rates, as well as wholesale prices.
Quote from: catharticprocess on January 18, 2011, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: shakehurst on January 13, 2011, 09:29:42 PM
Canada has ridiculous rates. It costs more to send one LP to anywhere INSIDE Canada than to ANYWHERE ELSE in the world. $7.77 to the USA, $9.54 world, $8+ - $13+ in Canada (not including the territories, which are $14-$16 to ship there).
We have no option for Media Mail like the USA does. It cost me $45 to send 10 LPs to Macedonia a few years back, and $65 to send 30 9"s to Germany. That's SURFACE mail. Airmail for that package to Germany would have been $115. $25 to send 10 9"s to the USA.
I could go deeper... I've calculated all costs and know what they are exactly for shipping 1 or 2 LPs anywhere. Prices are due to go up again any day now...
That's good to know. I'm moving this Summer and there's a 50% chance I'll land in Canada. It's been up in the air on whether I'll continue the label after the move, but if it's to Canada, this may make the decision for me. I would be in Kingston or Victoria, which would be easy to take my orders with me to New York or Seattle (respectively) - maybe that would be an option, though I wonder what customs would do about it.
Only thing with Victoria is you've got that stupid fucking ferry ride ($$$$$$$$) any time you want to get off the island (aka anywhere else worthwhile in the country). Victoria is beautiful, though, and if you do keep your label going there I'm 100% sure it would be well received.
Got told by last night that the Aust. government is going to impose a new tax on out-going mail up to a certain weight. Which means that mailing a "12 vynal album, for example, will cost an extra nine bucks on the already exorbitant postage we have to pay.
... an additional NINE dollars?! i thought i had it bad. canada post rates did increase on monday, but not nearly that bad.
The most logical would be that distributors all over the world would make benefit through this, as ordering for example one LP directly from a label would be extremely expensive (both right now and even more expensive in the future) - at the same time, in reality, it feels as if distributors actually take less than they did some years ago, if at all.
here's Canada Post's latest increases...
CANADA
1 LP changed from $10.41 to $11.37
2 LPs changed from $11.62 to $13.64
1 DLP changed from $11.68 to $12.75
2 DLPs changed from $13.16 to $14.34
USA
1 LP changed from $7.77 to $12.41
2 LPs changed from $11.54 to $18.62
1 DLP changed from $11.54 to $12.41
2 DLPs changed from $17.96 to $19.85
WORLD
1 LP changed from $9.54 to $15.02
2 LPs changed from $16.33 to $21.07
1 DLP changed from $14.33 to $15.02
2 DLPs changed from $34.32 to $21.07 (hey, that one actually makes sense)
Everything else went up $0.02 - $0.25
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on January 21, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
The most logical would be that distributors all over the world would make benefit through this, as ordering for example one LP directly from a label would be extremely expensive (both right now and even more expensive in the future) - at the same time, in reality, it feels as if distributors actually take less than they did some years ago, if at all.
I would think this is simply related to the costs and abundance of releases to choose from. Distributor asks himself, should I buy this, or focus on something else. There is plenty of choices.
Sometimes when band or label has complained about distributors not buying their stuff, I ask when did he buy the stuff last time. There are a lot of people who have bought nothing for ages, yet hold illusion that their stuff should be bought.
In this topic we can see the level of shipping, which in deed applies also for wholesale order. When I know, that I can't wholesale LP for less than 7-10e (depending on pressing) and I know postage on top of that is probably not less than 3 euro per copy, even in big shipments, most likely higher.. I could ask who would buy wholesale LP for 10-15 euros and think they can actually add slice of profit AND another shipping and find customer who pays 25-35 euros for LP? About the same as to order direct from label.
I guess this leads to situation where most is done out of favors and out of passion for the genre. The more expensive item I have in distro, the more likely is that it is sold nonprofit or even for loss. Which obviously is dull way to run distribution. Some choices have to be made, and I guess I'm skipping all the box sets in future...
In theory, it would be amazing for person who runs a shop/mailorder, if there would be some central wholesaler, where you can actually purchase items for decent price. If one could contact wholesaler where get reasonably priced releases, just 1-2 each but pretty wide range of new stuff that comes out, it would make sense. Same for punk for example. One sees lack of good punk LP's and 7"s everywhere, since it's all scattered into shoebox "labels" and then some slightly bigger distributor lists are filled merely with emo LP's priced at 9$+shipping level, ending up costing 15$ each before you've added tax and your cut.. I guess this is probably valid for everything.
But can you blame someone not wanting to become the dumping ground of deadstock? Taking large quantities of titles you may know nothing, and hoping warehouses full of merch will eventually go into hands of customers and shelves of retail shops. Sending out money for 25 LP's and then selling 2 during first year, heh...
Every distributor and label, as far as I know, has more supply than demand. The stocks keep growing and piling up, more and more all the time. And once in a while some discount sales are applied. Last summer, I guess in USA, there was 3-4 months in a row, when you could but noise CD's for 1$ each. Yes. I mean 10 cd's for 10$ was it? Troniks, RRR, Hanson,.. Surely good way to move your dead stock and get people hear your less popular releases, but probably underlines the value of normal noise release is sometimes just whatever gets it out of your hands. In such situation 8$ wholesale seems out dated concept, hah..