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Title: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: ironfistofthesun on February 01, 2011, 10:18:07 PM
any suggestions?

really love the new mark Fell on mego
Also the thug computer/air-horn anti music of evol
hasswell/hecker ...standard in the scene

labels.....? line/ rasta noton / mego
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: ConcreteMascara on February 01, 2011, 10:26:43 PM
Depends on where you draw the line between radical and glitch but some of Alva Noto's and Ryoji Ikeda's works are really good if you're into that type of thing.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 02, 2011, 03:57:41 AM
Computer music has a long history and I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "radical/extreme", as a lot of early computer music could well be defined that way due to it being unique for the time. There's also the fact that a lot of new material is somehow digitally generated, recorded or produced. The computer is just as standard an instrument as anything else now.

I've always liked Barry Truax (http://www.sfu.ca/~truax/). Main deep, slow moving drone pieces digitally generated by early computer systems, occasionally complimented by acoustic instruments or voice. The tone poem "The Blind Man" has an eerie, moving quality about it.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: BVDP on February 02, 2011, 02:33:26 PM
Listening to some of this I asume you are looking for a more computer/music program
based music. The stuff I heard sounds more like its a combination of IDM/dance music and glitch?

Are things like this you are looking for? please let me know, your description is a little vague to me

Monster X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Go5OE-Nic&feature=related
Otto Von Schirach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twjLf4GGJOI&feature=related
Dev/Null http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX_cduH-CwE&feature=related
Skelic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHi7yZWM5XE
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: imaginaryforces on February 02, 2011, 07:50:50 PM
Not 100% sure what you are asking for exactly, but these are some of my recommendations:
Pomassl
CM Von Hausswolff
Karl O'Connor
Dajuin Yao
Government Bookshops
Jaap Vink
Jos Kunst
Boguslaw Schaffer
Alva Noto
Ilpo Väisänen
John Wiese
Bernard Permegiani
Alvin Curran
Ryoji Ikeda
Roger Semsroth and some of his Sleeparchive stuff.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Kristian on February 13, 2011, 04:04:22 PM
The Latest Russell Haswell dbl cd "Value & Bonus" are the best work he has done.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Jaakko V. on January 06, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Robin Fox - A Handful of Automation (LP, Editions Mego 2010)

One of the better pure computer music records I've heard. Extremely complex and intriguing material that snaps, crackles and pops like no other. Much recommended...
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: martialgodmask on January 07, 2014, 02:11:44 AM
My first thought was Ryoji Ikeda as a couple of others have said already; would love to visit one of his installations.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: impulse manslaughter on January 07, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
Last weekend i played all my Raster Noton vinyl.. like it a lot but most is not very radical or extreme
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: THE RITA HN on January 07, 2014, 11:15:52 AM
Russell Haswell's 'Second Live Salvage' is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: tinnitustimulus on January 07, 2014, 11:36:00 AM
Francisco Meirino (Phroq)
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: jesusfaggotchrist on January 08, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
do you mean like breakcore type stuff?
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: tinnitustimulus on January 08, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on January 08, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
do you mean like breakcore type stuff?
I'm going out on a limb and say no as that is more about playing the amen break really really fast. He did mention Mark Fell though so maybe he does include glitch and glitch house like loud Mille Plateux stuff or something?


I'm starting to remember more now.

Gert-Jan Prins

Gerritt Wittmer or "Gerritt"

Zbigniew Karkowski of course

John Wall


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: rat on January 09, 2014, 02:54:24 AM
Haswell is the great. Hecker, Lescaleet, Rainey, Mattin are other players.

This newer Gabor Lazar / Haswell split is incredible
https://soundcloud.com/last-foundation/sets/gaborlazar-russell-haswell

And an old favorite. For Peter Sutton and Karl O'Connor, definitely the Tresor album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp2AkQWTNoM
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: rat on January 09, 2014, 05:51:07 AM
Trente Oiseaux is another great label. Bernhard Gunter is very fantastic. I'd say it's more of a micro sound but he and Richard Chartier often work with extreme bandwidths.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: jesusfaggotchrist on January 09, 2014, 06:06:36 AM
Arseterror was digital until recently.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Zeno Marx on January 09, 2014, 06:06:49 AM
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on January 08, 2014, 10:22:40 PMJohn Wall
A surgeon without a title.

Phroq - Static Walls (still feel it is unfortunate these do not exist in full wav)
https://archive.org/details/MIDI07
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: eraritjaritjaka on January 09, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
haha; "Haco - Stereo-Bugscope-00" immediately comes to mind.


self-promotion time:

https://soundcloud.com/eraritjaritjaka


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Cementimental on January 10, 2014, 03:55:21 AM
John Wall is really great, seen (and on one occasion booked) him play live here in London a few times in recent years and it's always been astonishing.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Potier on January 15, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
Some great recommendations already:

definitely have to second Pomassl - there's some very sick digital erratic material from this guy!

also look into:

Cyclo (Nicolai & Ikeda)
Julien Ottavi
Kim Cascone
Achim Wollscheid
Andreas Berthling
Carl Michael Von Hausswolff
Xabier Erkizia
Marc Behrens
Tomas Korber

the list goes on - not all of this is necessarily "radical computer music" but definitely worth checking out.
Branch out & have fun.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Piety and Iron on July 17, 2014, 04:12:00 AM
Quote from: ironfistofthesun on February 01, 2011, 10:18:07 PM
any suggestions?

really love the new mark Fell on mego
Also the thug computer/air-horn anti music of evol
hasswell/hecker ...standard in the scene

labels.....? line/ rasta noton / mego

Catching up on old posts here.

RITORNELL label. Long forgotten label.
Pure minimalism in electronics between 1999 and 2000 period.

http://www.discogs.com/label/761-Ritornell (http://www.discogs.com/label/761-Ritornell)
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: acsenger on July 18, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
I recently got the 0.000 CD by *0. I'd heard some of his work a long time ago and was looking forward to hearing it again. This CD, however, is a huge disappointment: except for the first and last tracks (each a minute in length and consisting of simple sine waves), all the other tracks are completely silent. What pretentious bullshit! Is anyone gonna play this CD to listen to an hour of nothing?
From what I remember, *0's other stuff is extreme frequencies and glitches. One day I might get another of his CDs, hoping it won't be another letdown...

Richard Chartier's Other Materials CD, on the other hand, is recommended. On a good hi-fi, there's a great sense of physicality to all those short sounds of various frequencies. I don't know almost anything about the "glitch/microsound" scene, but this CD, consisting of compilation tracks and unreleased works from 1999-2001, probably documents an early phase of it.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Piety and Iron on July 18, 2014, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: acsenger on July 18, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
I don't know almost anything about the "glitch/microsound" scene, but this CD, consisting of compilation tracks and unreleased works from 1999-2001, probably documents an early phase of it.

Yeah its an interesting enough very brief period. There was some kind of crossover of ex experimental industrial scene people at that moment. Franz De Waard had an incredibly minimal project called Goem at this time, using some random piece of modified hospital gear, could easily have been a noise project in another realm of possibilities. Ronnie Sundin is a solid artist, kind of like an ultra quiet version of Kevin Drumm doing his 'Purge' stuff.



Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on July 22, 2014, 08:04:43 PM
by far the most mind blowing computer music album i ever heard: curtis roads "point line cloud"

http://www.discogs.com/Curtis-Roads-Point-Line-Cloud/release/455788

seems to be hard to find, i once found it on barnes+noble webshop (?!) for "reasonable" 18.99 usd but dropped the idea after the "suggested shipping" added was like 25.-usd haha. so i borrowed it from the www and made a cdr, and it keeps on playin almost more than anything else in the last 2 years....

i also like richard devine a lot. those 2 guys have been very ear-opening to my own noise output
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on September 23, 2016, 02:01:20 AM
wow 2 years later and still curtis roads rules. finally have it in my collection, and last autumn we organized a screening of these works at B-gal/tku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cucV1I1hNMg

heres some of the best computer work i've come across in the recent past. headphones recommended

filipo laresca
https://filipolaresca.bandcamp.com/album/13-asincron-as-de-transmisi-n-parasitaria

bjarni gunnarsson
http://www.bjarni-gunnarsson.net

rick scott (well ok, modulars etc, but in the same spirit)
http://richard-scott.net/

pink twins
pinktwins.com

ibrahim terzic
https://soundcloud.com/ibrahim-terzic

what else.... too much goin on all the time...
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Potier on September 23, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
Recent listening/re-listening:

https://www.discogs.com/James-Hoff-Blaster/release/5976824
https://www.discogs.com/Marcus-Schmickler-Bari-Workshop/release/3285317

Schmickler-release is pretty much harsh noise, his stuff is worth checking out if you're into the academic approach.
The Hoff-release is pure fun. Pretty much a techno-angle.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Potier on September 23, 2016, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: pentd on September 23, 2016, 02:01:20 AM
bjarni gunnarsson
http://www.bjarni-gunnarsson.net

Granny Records just put out "Paths" - it's definitely worth checking out.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Vega360 on September 25, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
All my music is made with computers. The terms "Radical" and "Extreme" could probably be applied loosely.

NS Ninja - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H697SzwNY5M
Strike Force 28 - http://youtu.be/9zNKSt06eh8


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: tiny_tove on September 25, 2016, 10:36:20 PM


Herman Kolgen, not a proper musician, more a visual/audio artist... I have seen him doing some pretty intense stuff

https://vimeo.com/102158828

Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: calaverasgrande on September 25, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
I've got a few experimental computer music albums from the 70s or 80s.
It's very challenging stuff that would easily be mistaken for music made with modular gear these days, but was done using very low level coding. I'll have to go dig them out I forget names.

This also brings to mind the Critter and Guitari Organelle which is open source and can be easily coded by the end user in Pure Data. Maybe not computer music in the strict terms that some apply, where the timbre, structure and composition are in the code. But certainly interesting.
https://www.critterandguitari.com/pages/organelle
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Cementimental on September 26, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
We can't have a thread about RADICAL COMPUTER MUSIC without mentioning Goodiepal. :-/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Computer_Music

https://vimeo.com/19593647 SYGNOK & The War For Radical Computer Music
"the film traces how Gæoudjiparl's RCM goals of creating music for 'artificial & alternative intelligences' has now diverged into a tangled web of race wars, theft, forgery & death threats."

Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Cementimental on September 26, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
TFW you get your loading routine mixed up with the music code and accidentally invent both flashcore and bytebeat in 1986 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t44WLkYjwvo
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Cementimental on September 26, 2016, 01:50:29 PM
russian art/noise ZX Spectrum demos by Skrju:

http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=2148

http://skrju.thesuper.ru/

https://vimeo.com/40277160
skrju - 'fuck you scene' 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwN5vNowAc
'mother'
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Cementimental on September 28, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ph3loL0sq4

Quote'g0n'. 260k: 8khz : 4bit executable harsh noise.

Created in 0SDM.

Will be released on floppy and exe download from www.sinerec.co.uk

youtube compression has added a 'choppy' quality.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on September 30, 2016, 02:33:41 AM
xlent shit, thanks for the links!

here, make some!!
http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: CMSFoundation on September 30, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
One guy who I fear is being forgotten from the canon is a Japanese project called Mono. Partly because he only released a few discs (two on Tochnit Aleph, one on Solipsism, some very rare earlier tapes), and partly because Mono is such a ubiquitous damn name, I guess. Still, Yoshida Norihiko created a small body of very raw, repetitive, computer-based noise in the early 2000s. If you want evidence of how under-appreciated this guy is, realize that Patrick's still selling new copies of the original 100-copy run of "T-10" on Solipsism almost 16 years later! Don't let that mass rejection suggest a lack of quality, though. It's really great shit. Crackling, crunchy, oddly assembled. It's the real deal.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: F_c_O on September 30, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: CMSFoundation on September 30, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
and partly because Mono is such a ubiquitous damn name, I guess.
Plus the fact that discogs.com search is fucking attrocious when you want to find something that has only one word. Id love to have function just to get exact matches. Even worse they tag them by numbers that I guess are given in order of being added but mono(15) doesnt tell me jackshit while something like mono (jap) might tell me something.

Yeah, I have been having this on my heart for a long time and know it is really off topic but still. Gotta get it out finally. Fuck. Discogs. Search. Funtion.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Duncan on October 01, 2016, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: CMSFoundation on September 30, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
One guy who I fear is being forgotten from the canon is a Japanese project called Mono. Partly because he only released a few discs (two on Tochnit Aleph, one on Solipsism, some very rare earlier tapes), and partly because Mono is such a ubiquitous damn name, I guess. Still, Yoshida Norihiko created a small body of very raw, repetitive, computer-based noise in the early 2000s. If you want evidence of how under-appreciated this guy is, realize that Patrick's still selling new copies of the original 100-copy run of "T-10" on Solipsism almost 16 years later! Don't let that mass rejection suggest a lack of quality, though. It's really great shit. Crackling, crunchy, oddly assembled. It's the real deal.

I've been really keen to hear this since it was mentioned in another thread. id be really grateful if you or anyone else could share a rip or some samples because its still a bit of an expensive punt for me buying a cdr
from the u.s.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on December 02, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
thanos chrysakis - magma

one long track of hi freq space insekts stuff, trippy as fuck!! is it computer music, i dont know but its electronic insanity...

https://www.discogs.com/Thanos-Chrysakis-%CE%9C%CE%91%CE%93%CE%9C%CE%91-MAGMA/release/3284886
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Soloman Tump on December 02, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
Great thread, thanks for the bump.
Some useful links in here for me to read up on, may even include some of it in my next zine.

Depending on what sort of stuff you like, the following may be useful

Qebrus
https://exophobiaorgqebrus.bandcamp.com/album/--5
https://loveloverecords.bandcamp.com/album/-
Qebrus makes alien sounding electronica. It's not breakcore, its kinda glitchy irregular beats but with fantastic sound design and taking in a variety of loops and samples. I Love it.

Does Venetian Snares count?
Whilst a lot of his music is breakcore / derivative, some of his albums bring in influences such as acid, IDM, glitch.  "Filth" was a great album - loud and dirty and acid tinged sounds.  "Traditional Synthesiser Music" is him cutting loose with an expansive modular rack.  Whatever - he has a huge back catalogue of stuff, of varying degrees of quality.


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Soloman Tump on December 02, 2017, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Cementimental on January 10, 2014, 03:55:21 AM
John Wall is really great

Thanks for the recommendation, sounds great.

Apparently John Wall plays for the Washington Wizards NBA team, but once you get past that you can find his bandcamp page ;)
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Drohgt on December 04, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: Soloman Tump on December 02, 2017, 11:23:24 PM


Does Venetian Snares count?
Whilst a lot of his music is breakcore / derivative, some of his albums bring in influences such as acid, IDM, glitch.  "Filth" was a great album - loud and dirty and acid tinged sounds.  "Traditional Synthesiser Music" is him cutting loose with an expansive modular rack.  Whatever - he has a huge back catalogue of stuff, of varying degrees of quality.


I realy like his old stuff, making orange things, doll doll doll are his best harsh and sick albums imo
Crazy atmosphere...
Newer stuff is also very good but its easier listening. Saw him perform last year with his modular setup, super intense, totally different then his recorded music
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Duncan on March 15, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: Duncan on October 01, 2016, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: CMSFoundation on September 30, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
One guy who I fear is being forgotten from the canon is a Japanese project called Mono. Partly because he only released a few discs (two on Tochnit Aleph, one on Solipsism, some very rare earlier tapes), and partly because Mono is such a ubiquitous damn name, I guess. Still, Yoshida Norihiko created a small body of very raw, repetitive, computer-based noise in the early 2000s. If you want evidence of how under-appreciated this guy is, realize that Patrick's still selling new copies of the original 100-copy run of "T-10" on Solipsism almost 16 years later! Don't let that mass rejection suggest a lack of quality, though. It's really great shit. Crackling, crunchy, oddly assembled. It's the real deal.

I've been really keen to hear this since it was mentioned in another thread. id be really grateful if you or anyone else could share a rip or some samples because its still a bit of an expensive punt for me buying a cdr
from the u.s.

Feels worthy of a bump because I ended up taking said punt and it's taking my speakers for a ride as we speak.  Very bone shaking stuff but steady in terms of dynamics so far.  No major ups and downs in volume or new tones but rather constantly moving the possibilities of a few simple sounds and textures around from speaker to speaker, start stop, slight modulations in EQ and playback points.  This is how I hear it anyway.  Still a very harsh and aggressive listen!  Excellent.  The way it has been described thus far is more accurate than I can get it.  Almost sounds like if Gantz Graf era Autechre was made using totally harsh noise textures.  Glad I ended up going for it c/o encouragement from this thread and Mr. S!! cheers.


EDIT -  to add something new, you could do a lot worse than to have a listen to Lee Fraser.  Excellent laptop composition/improvisation from London, UK.  Total digital revelry whilst still being really varied and interesting.  I find that I vary rarely enjoy this kind of thing but he is a real favourite of mine working in this area.  Great live too, especially since he seems to have the skill of knowing when to stop playing which a lot of more serious laptop dudes absolutely do not possess. https://soundcloud.com/leefraser
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on August 27, 2018, 07:56:04 PM
so then there was this project:

https://archive.org/details/lf062mp3

MU
from taiwan. not to be confused with the hippie band from hawaii.
raw data and disk drive sounds, harsh and intense, surgical and detailed.

this project had a bunch of netlabel albums on brainwashed/vvmtest in 2005-2007 or so, long since disappeared. i came across an old backup drive with ancient downloads, finally found these again ---> i made an archive of all audio i have with some recent discogs etc info... grab it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wxq7pi1zcrcup63/MU---TAIWAN-NOISE-COLLECTED.zip/file

250 MB zip file with some fucked up computer shit, enjoy!! MU ftw!!


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: vegasfountain on August 27, 2018, 08:35:25 PM
Rene Hell comes to mind. It's Jeff Witscher from projects Impregnable, Secret Abuse, Roman Torment, etc. Sometimes this projects material flirts a little more with ambient or modern classical sounds but a good chunk of it is super glitched out computerized noise.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on December 11, 2018, 09:54:07 PM
up -- cos one of the best electronic records ever is finally getting reissued: point line cloud!

https://www.curtisroads.net/news/

lookin very much forward to seein+hearin the upcoming album... 
Title: Good or interesting digital/laptop noise
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on January 20, 2020, 07:55:16 AM
So, what would you consider the best (if any) digital/laptop noise releases? These days, the lines between analog and digital modes of production are far more blurred than they used to, so I'm not talking about digital circuitry in pedals or even using a minidisc or computer as a recording destination. I mean noise recordings in which the computer/artificial/digital dimension is loud, obvious and clear. Think most Merzbow from the first decade of the 2000's. In fact, if you can think of nothing else, maybe at least a couple of Merzbow laptop era albums that works?

I think everyone who was there to witness the birth of easy home computer recording will always have a slight problem with many forms of sound associated with those times (remember standard MIDI?), but surely there must be a bunch of inorganic diginoise recordings that came out just right?
Title: Re: Good or interesting digital/laptop noise
Post by: Duncan on January 20, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
This thread might already have a lot of what you're looking for: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=1017.0
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 20, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
Topics merged.

Most things what I associate with computers, is negative, although I am aware most artists use it to some degree. Including myself. Especially in "post production".
I would think, that one element in dislike is that many times someone does noise what feels like cheaper version of what noise at best is. While theoretically computers would allow nearly endless possibilities.

For me, John Wiese, at best, is really good in laptop stuff. He has vast amount of things done, that could not be done with analogue equipment. Circle Snare used to be one favorite.

https://johnwiese.bandcamp.com/track/circle-snare-second-part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZKsIOgazE

Seeing him play live years ago also was quite interesting.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: NO PART OF IT on January 20, 2020, 01:51:42 PM
Assuming we're looking for compelling experimental work created with computers:


I don't know if this artist always did laptop music, but it was pretty good harsh noise when I saw one person live.  Apparently it is also a group sometimes. 
https://www.discogs.com/artist/563391-Brain-Transplant

X Terminal from Cleveland is also good harsh noise:
https://www.discogs.com/artist/208780-Xterminal

AMFJ - BÆN  -  This is excellent and innovative use of vocals with a laptop (probably using audio mulch):
http://wordsonsounds.blogspot.com/2013/03/

This one is processed gospel singing through a computer in 1984, and I think it's great. 
https://www.discogs.com/Joel-Chadabe-Irene-Oliver-Settings-For-Spirituals-Solo/release/863622

If anyone wants to bring me up to date on Dissecting Table's later work, I'd be curious to know if there's any good laptop noise.   The split LP with Anemone Tube was good.   Assuming it was processed Buddhist chants with a laptop... https://www.discogs.com/Anemone-Tube-Dissecting-Table-This-Dismal-World/release/4490007





Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Yrjö-Koskinen on January 20, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Duncan on January 20, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
This thread might already have a lot of what you're looking for: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=1017.0
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 20, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
Topics merged.
Thanks. I figured there should be a thread already, but I failed to find it with the search function.

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 20, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
For me, John Wiese, at best, is really good in laptop stuff. He has vast amount of things done, that could not be done with analogue equipment. Circle Snare used to be one favorite.

https://johnwiese.bandcamp.com/track/circle-snare-second-part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZKsIOgazE

Seeing him play live years ago also was quite interesting.
This was interesting. Never bothered much with John Wiese, but perhaps I should.

Regarding the cheapness of computer noise, I think it's mainly a question of people not bothering to check out the possibilities (which have become insane in the last ten years or so). If you look at stuff like Impulse Response loading cabinet/room simulators and expensive and/or nerdy effects modeled on analog gear it is becoming comparatively easy to produce sound that sounds very, very much like the real deal. And, perhaps more interestingly, it should be possible to come up with completely impossible forms of noise, that are still "pleasing". Simply maximizing BPM, resolution, high fidelity or any such parameter has been possible for some time with computers, but it should be possible to do a whole lot more.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: l.b. on January 23, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
I think Two Assistant Deputy Ministers is digital?? just straightforward good ripping harsh noise
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: JLIAT on January 23, 2020, 06:19:47 PM
Recently involved with a comp using segmod, sofware for PC / Mac which writes sound files.

You can download the program here https://doebereiner.org/segmod/Segmod2.zip

Segmod is a non-standard sound synthesis that embraces the discrete nature of digital sound. All sounds created with Segmod result from the concatenation of simple periodic waveforms, such as sine, triangle, and square waves. The sixteen contributing composers have employed a vast array of different compositional, aesthetic, and technological strategies, ranging from inaudible sounds, to neural networks, chaotic functions, careful micro-montages, and analysis-resynthesis techniques. While the results differ widely in sound, all lead back to the idea that synthesis can be seen as a form of composition.

https://dumpfedition.bandcamp.com/album/segmod

I have 12 freebees - digipack CDs if anyone wants a copy (free) PM.


Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on January 24, 2020, 02:51:56 AM
definitely!! PM comin up

this is certainly very close to what i am expecting/hoping to hear from vcvrack makers, it sure has an insect elektronix drive to it!!

edit:
reading into that segmod manifesto.... brings to mind some of the nastiest vsti's that synthesize crunchy noise .. those only do it with a GUI... giving the machine orders to write a file to disk... without prior existence in the acoustic/analog domain.

thanks for the tip
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: JLIAT on January 24, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
Using a computer to write data directly into a sound file is very simple, in crude terms  WAV files are just sets of numbers (which plot the sounds) admittedly lots of numbers 44100 for just one second... The simplest way is to create these, a program helps! Audacity (free) will allow import of raw data – Project Tab, import raw data. It gives a choice of format, - no worry – CD quality is 16 bit stereo 44100... This enables you to import any files on your computer, and "hear them". I would advise using copy, to copy the file and import this, if you import a program file or WP etc. and mess with the sound and save it- you will 'corrupt' it. So best copy files to a folder, and rename them to be on the safe side! In windows some .exe files have distinctive sound signatures, as do WORD files...

Using this its "fun" to hear what programs sound like, and you can save them as .wav of course. Remember the files need to be big : 44100 samples a second! And once in Audacity you can further process these..

Of course you can create data for sound using such things as segmod, or JAVA et al.. There are plenty of examples out there. You (i've) can experiment with importing data such as PI or Primes... here they are normally text, numbers held as ASCII, Goldwave will import these. PI gives white noise, but there is some structure to the Primes...  With movies you can in some cases 'hear' the frames...

You might also try 'recording' with no input, then using Audacity to amplify, you get noise and clicks generated by the CPU etc... Also you can import raw data into photoshop, and "See"  rather than hear!!!

Anyway another potential source of material...
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: muppet1 on January 24, 2020, 05:10:06 PM
A great deal of Akihiro Shimizu material from the late 90s onward fits this prompt. He's uploaded many releases to Bandcamp - his Alienlovers in Amagasaki moniker often sounds to me like it was primarily composed on computer using computer sound, same with the Necro Thirdorgan Trial cdr.

http://thirdorgan.bandcamp.com/album/musica-elettronica-bionico-07f
https://www.discogs.com/Necro-Thirdorgan-Trial-Dont-Communication-Over-The-Mobile-Network/release/116700
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Duncan on February 04, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
I don't think this has been mentioned yet and I don't think this person's work is all computer based, however Jason Soliday/Crank Satori did some pretty great work toward the end of last year working with 'Real time manual and generative manipulation of digital speech synthesizers'.

Great sounding work, check it out:

https://cranksatori.bandcamp.com/album/three-conversations

https://cranksatori.bandcamp.com/album/music-for-speech-synthesis
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on February 05, 2020, 04:12:01 AM
Quote from: SILVUM on February 05, 2020, 01:53:39 AMFunny cus as a kid, i recorded several tracks like that of minimal blasted out texture noise but never released it cus I thought it was too easy. That said, he does compose those carefully ... .

I've had similar feelings - recorded material and imagining there's no way that anyone else would care to sit through it, only to find almost similar material available publicly from others, only to find that, on comparison, their's is often much better in terms of composition and sound than mine. It's certainly character building.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: acsenger on February 05, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
Hecker definitely deserves a mention. His Sun Pandämonium album has been described by William Bennett as "one of the most beautifully recorded bits of unpleasantness", but I wouldn't call it unpleasant. It's an enjoyable album of digital sounds manipulated, twisted and deformed in radical, sometimes surprising and even funny ways. It also sounds really good (the sounds almost jump out of the speakers). I have the vinyl version and the long track on side B is pretty tortured. Hecker emerged as part of the Mego crowd in the late '90s, which might help some to put him in context. I myself am not familiar with that scene (Pita and others).
His untitled 12" from 2003 is also great (although the locked grooves at the end of side B are silly). It's like a shorter version of Sun Pandämonium.
Title: Re: RADICAL/EXTREME COMPUTER MUSIC?
Post by: pentd on March 16, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
as mentioned before: the segmod project is amazing

https://dumpfedition.bandcamp.com/album/segmod