I'm curious about these noise cassettes that are C10/C20/etc..
Mainly, what's the point.
Can't these fellas do more than, say five minutes? Hey, go hard, go for 30 minutes, let's see what you're made of..
I'm seeing these C10 etc as a waste of plastic/advertising.
Like I said, I'm curious about the idea behind this...
I feel like this is a curious perspective in a genre which so regularly defies convention and redefines the idea of a musical product. I understand your perspective for sure, but also we have tapes that include rusted razorblades, releases that are a literal bag of dirt with no music included, vinyl packaged in human shit... it's almost a similar argument to that guy complaining about his Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement tape punting itself as two tracks rather than a repeated program.
Even the hardest, bluntest, most aggressive noise could still arguably fall under the 'experimental' banner and would surely mean all bets are off with regards to what would define a "worthwhile" release
Cheers. Good answer, made me think.
I was thinking about weather its become acceptable to drop short tapes, ie if I'm demanding too much. If some commercialism has crept in...
Not happy about how weather is spelt...
I think another point would be I'd rather hear 5 minutes of good noise than 30 mins of filler
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on November 07, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
I think another point would be I'd rather hear 5 minutes of good noise than 30 mins of filler
This sentiment is the most potent reasoning for short tapes. Noise and PE just as they manifest can be perfectly well fleshed out over a few minutes, and I can think of numerous examples of c10-20s that make much better use of the requisite plastic than a lot of longer recordings.
Personally I PREFER short tapes. Long tapes, you often don't know where you are, and as the other fella said, if you can't do some good noise in 10 minutes, then you won't do it over half an hour. Plus, a 10-15 mins blast of good strong noise is often enough.
Quote from: slagfrenzy tapes on November 07, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Not happy about how weather is spelt...
It's "whether", by the way. "Weather" is stuff falling from the sky, while a "wether" is a castrated sheep!
Quote from: burdizzo on November 07, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
if you can't do some good noise in 10 minutes, then you won't do it over half an hour.
Agree. But you will agree too that if you can do good noise for 10 minutes then you can do it for longer too. Or again, a next time, soon.
C10 is too short. Sold at the price of an album CS. If it is for a C10 then better be your absolute ripping stuff. Unless it's an one-off project, a special edition, a fundraising release, or noisecore. - Why not to wait till you have more recorded material for a proper release ? Or why to split your material to C10 tapes ? Would you guys buy 5xC10 in a year from the same artist ? Thankfully, C10 are not often, but if we all start saying "They are OK, the best etc." , who knows in the future ...
C20 is OK, two 10min harsh noise pieces for example, hm fine !
c10 was a condition of the early 2000's American noise and very specific to a feeling back then, I believe. Who is putting them out right now? (real question)
do you listen to 7"'s?
I dont know any artist or label that releases C10 systematicaly. There are sporadic C10 releases though, they have not disappeared, but are rare, so i believe complaining about them nowdays is meaningless, pointless. I only reacted cause i saw all comments supporting them, which i dont. I dont want C10 to become often. Not for any other reason than simply financial ! Will a C10 be sold for 3EUR ? Great then, i am all in. - 7" doesnt cost the price of an LP.
you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital. sorry! does it take less mental, physical, and financial effort to release a c10???makes you wonder, what is the real issue? what exactly am I paying for when I buy a 10 lp box?
Quote from: Strangecross on November 07, 2019, 04:25:05 PM
you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital. sorry! does it take less mental, physical, and financial effort to release a c10???makes you wonder, what is the real issue? what exactly am I paying for when I buy a 10 lp box?
Is that the lad who did the videos on YouTube?
Re topic: I actually think short formats can be really cool. Having ultra strong 10 minutes seems better than having 50 minutes of which 30 minutes are of lower quality (or even filler material)
I also have c10s that I don't find the 'noise' to be very strong, but just appreciate the ideas behind the release. Lets take for example Prurient's 'African Division' c10. where actually, the shitty recording quality adds to the total effect of the release, encompassing the hand drawn art, basically just 'doodles'. but the feeling of the release is so evil. Something someone who is not familiar with industrial culture may look at and think, what the fuck is this. It has such a perverted quality to it, which gives it value beyond how it sounds. Plenty of releases that are longer duration don't have the feeling of mental instability that I seek in noise over the format. 'hell is real'
The price one sells his product it's up to him, and it's up to me if i will buy it or not. I dont argue about that. Neither actualy complaining. I just told my opinion.
Quote from: Strangecross on November 07, 2019, 04:25:05 PM
you essentially sound like the guy complaining about rainforest spiritual enslavement and hospital.
This is a harsh unfair strike haha.
Quote from: Theodore on November 07, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
This is a harsh unfair strike haha.
yes, it is.
The guy from the youtube videos was saying that he wanted to keep the releases, but thought that he deserved a prorated refund based on the idea that he thought he was paying for something other than 'ideas,' which I see as similar to saying, a c10 should be 3euros, rather than __euros... because, why exactly?
but I was joking, I won't burn you like that.
C10s are one of my favorites. They are like a 7". A small concept that doesn't necessarily warrant a full length's worth of material or ideas.
Noise is not just about the sound; concept and packaging are half the battle (be it highly conceptual vs no concept or elaborate packaging vs standard j-case. All of that should be considered when releasing something.)
C10s aren't that much cheaper than doing a C30, just as 7"s aren't much cheaper than doing an LP (they are about 70% the price)
Quote from: Strangecross on November 07, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
which I see as similar to saying, a c10 should be 3euros, rather than __euros... because, why exactly?
Because i have no problem to buy a C20 for 7 ! Seriously, an artist, a label, anyone has the right to price and sell his work as much he wants. I have gladly bought 'overpriced' stuff when i think it worth it, will do again, and i dont ask for refund if i didnt like it haha. I dont buy bullshit just cause they are cheap. And i have C10 bought not 'cheap' i dont regret and will buy again if it's something i want. - But there is a 'market' with somehow standard prices, right ? So to ask you the same question, why most releases cost more or less the same when out, no matter if it's an established great artist or a worthless 'nobody' ? - Your releases, are all equaly good ? Demanded the same effort ? Mean the same to you ? Why 7 no matter what rather than _ EUR ? The answer is the 'market' , which is defined by fans' wallet too.
As a buyer, my opinion, my behaviour if C10 were the rule, for 7EUR, would be to prefer CD purchases then. Cause i am music consumer, that means i need quantity not only quality -who can listen only the same masterpiece again and again ? - , and i wouldnt afford paying 7EUR for 10minutes all the time. My opinion. You might tell me "Then listen through YouTube, it's free" , you may have right, then.
Who judges what is filler or not ? First we have to listen it, right ? What if your favorite artist started to release only his 'best' 10minutes instead of an album ? Would you prefer to buy a 5xC10 boxset or a CD of the same material, given the boxset has x3 the CD price ? General questions ...
I just don't think the experience of music starts you push play, and ends when the tape comes to a halt. Market is irrelevant to the concept, in so far as price relative to specifically- a c10.
talking about cdr vs cd or LP vs tape could in some ways change the argument, but i'm just defending c10s. When done correctly, they re just as complete as a full-length.
but nothing will save us from uninspired lame noise.
Quote from: Strangecross on November 07, 2019, 06:45:30 PM
I just don't think the experience of music starts you push play, and ends when the tape comes to a halt. Market is irrelevant to the concept, in so far as price relative to specifically- a c10.
talking about cdr vs cd or LP vs tape could in some ways change the argument, but i'm just defending c10s. When done correctly, they re just as complete as a full-length.
but nothing will save us from uninspired lame noise.
Totally agree with you here. To explain myself better, again, i am not against C10, i wrote it in my first post here, if it is for a C10 then better do your best or do it in a concept or for a reason. - I am against them become the usual length for tapes, based on the argument "They have the best material" etc. And i am against it only for financial reasons, of mine !
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on November 07, 2019, 12:23:53 PM
it's almost a similar argument to that guy complaining about his Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement tape punting itself as two tracks rather than a repeated program.
It's the same argument yeah.
The longer a release, the better?
If that's OP's argument and they care only about length over quality, that's a point.
I would ask then, what's your line? How high is your preferred "price per length"?
For me personally, length of material has obviously nothing to do with its quality. Some songs I might enjoy more if they were longer but artists had their reasons. Maybe achieving the sounds for longer wasn't possible during the session. Maybe they just decided "fuck you, you don't get to listen to this for longer." - both fair. Some songs get repetitive or lose energy/impact when dragged out. Good songs can be destroyed by this.
When talking about "wasting plastic" I want to remind you of the beauty of being able to re-use tape. If you don't like a release and feel like it's a waste of plastic just dub your favorite stuff on there. Also defining the line at which length it's not a waste anymore is super arbitrary. It comes down to what you personally like as C10.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 07, 2019, 07:10:30 PM
When talking about "wasting plastic" I want to remind you of the beauty of being able to re-use tape. If you don't like a release and feel like it's a waste of plastic just dub your favorite stuff on there. Also defining the line at which length it's not a waste anymore is super arbitrary. It comes down to what you personally like as C10.
They are running out of chrome tape, afterall... not plastic casings.
Haha! I'm sorry. My apologies...
I have to mention a series under SRR (both defunct, I believe) titled, "Waste of Plastic." Ever since I learned of it, I can't help but be curious. There are fifteen releases. Number codes, though, go to 18? So who knows the real total? Each is literally one minute long (C01).
>> https://www.discogs.com/label/535262-Waste-Of-Plastic (https://www.discogs.com/label/535262-Waste-Of-Plastic)<<
Quote from: Strangecross on November 07, 2019, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 07, 2019, 07:10:30 PM
When talking about "wasting plastic" I want to remind you of the beauty of being able to re-use tape. If you don't like a release and feel like it's a waste of plastic just dub your favorite stuff on there. Also defining the line at which length it's not a waste anymore is super arbitrary. It comes down to what you personally like as C10.
They are running out of chrome tape, afterall... not plastic casings.
I was addressing the OP's point about "wasting plastic", they didn't mention the chrome tape "issue" which I personally think is a myth. Big manufacturers I work with have had no problems supplying chrome tapes whatsoever and it obviously will be continued to be produced if the demand exists. Like what - is the planet gonna run out of super rare chrome dioxide? I don't know where this rumor comes from.
I should finally get around to making some release using the C1 (might actually be shorter I think) chrome tapes I bought on ebay years ago
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 07, 2019, 06:15:21 PM
C10s are one of my favorites. They are like a 7". A small concept that doesn't necessarily warrant a full length's worth of material or ideas.
Noise is not just about the sound; concept and packaging are half the battle (be it highly conceptual vs no concept or elaborate packaging vs standard j-case. All of that should be considered when releasing something.)
C10s aren't that much cheaper than doing a C30, just as 7"s aren't much cheaper than doing an LP (they are about 70% the price)
Comparing them to 7"s was first thought as well.
Short releases often have, in my mind, some of the best material. I think that understanding the need to make an impression on the listener in a short period of time makes the musician have to really make sure that every element of the track(s) they create is meaningful and worthwhile. As some others said above, merely having more room to work does not make your release any better - in fact, the extra space might be taken as an excuse to be less particular/lazy!
I will echo the sentiment that I would rather hear 10 solid minutes than a C60 of filler.
HOWEVER I also find it somewhat obnoxious when an artist puts out like numerous short run tapes in a short period of time and trying to track them down becomes a huge hassle. If you're prolific quite frankly I'd rather buy one or two C40s than a ton of tiny run C8s or some shit.
This is related to cost as much as it is to "output". Outside the US there's no media mail and shipping is a huge barrier for supporting artists I want to support by buying their stuff.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 07, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
Personally I PREFER short tapes. Long tapes, you often don't know where you are, and as the other fella said, if you can't do some good noise in 10 minutes, then you won't do it over half an hour. Plus, a 10-15 mins blast of good strong noise is often enough.
Quote from: slagfrenzy tapes on November 07, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
Not happy about how weather is spelt...
It's "whether", by the way. "Weather" is stuff falling from the sky, while a "wether" is a castrated sheep!
Sorry for the delay, been worried whether the weather is going to affect the wether's.
Thank you kind fella for this.
I like 7inch singles, better than C10's. More flexibility with playback. Listened to Haare single two nights ago, all good.
'waste of plastic' more in the context of bad factory based production methods than Rainforest whinging, this planets fucked, pleased, as some of you may be, I haven't bred. Not going to stop practicing thou.
Economics of C10. I've paid $100 for a 7 inch single, wouldn't for a C10. Some tool who won't give a quarter inch master tape back to us, was pulling his self about paying $1000 each for four C10's, so there's mugs out there.
To wrap up, C10 just inefficient in my opinion, wondered/curious about other opinions.. Cheers all
My assumption for reason that old noise releases are so long, was mainly that stores were selling C-60 and C-90. So bands and labels put out tapes of those lengths. C-45 were way more rare to find.
As soon as shorter tapes were easier available, there were being done.
I am not particularly fan of C-10, although I appreciate 7" a lot. It is perhaps because there are TONS of good 7"s, where artists put great track on slab of vinyl, yet C-10 is often treated differently. Especially at some point, it seemed sort of disposable format. Quickly dubbing small run to having "something out" for gig or latest batch, not that it would be standing out like 7" material might. Of course there are exceptions.
However, like someone pointed out, it may be quite old discussion now. Who is making C-10's? It had it's peak in over 10 years ago, and at this moment, barely existing thing?
For live music culture, diy, face to face interaction, special packages, etc. perhaps very much suitable format. In international mailorder thing, I would guess that most people will conclude that they aren't paying the money that it nowadays costs to buy AND ship tape, and get just 10 minutes. Regardless is it good or not. You can get bunch of good, and perhaps better releases for same money.
For me, C-20 is already perfect length of tape that is not meant to be "album". For a lot of noise styles, that are more structured or hectic, length may be perfect.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 08, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
However, like someone pointed out, it may be quite old discussion now. Who is making C-10's? It had it's peak in over 10 years ago, and at this moment, barely existing thing?
the most recent (1 year ago ?) i can remember is the händer som vårdar release on Joy De Vivre.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 07, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Like what - is the planet gonna run out of super rare chrome dioxide? I don't know where this rumor comes from.
From what I understand, producing it causes some kind of heavily toxic byproduct that is no longer passing emissions standards. That's why Russia doesn't make it anymore and that's why NAC is now producing what they call "super ferric." It's apparently better quality that chrome, or so they've said.
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 08, 2019, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 07, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Like what - is the planet gonna run out of super rare chrome dioxide? I don't know where this rumor comes from.
From what I understand, producing it causes some kind of heavily toxic byproduct that is no longer passing emissions standards. That's why Russia doesn't make it anymore and that's why NAC is now producing what they call "super ferric." It's apparently better quality that chrome, or so they've said.
What's your source on that? I've never heard the toxicity being substantiated as a reason why plants seized production. More of like a costly process to synthesize the crystals that wasn't feasible in multiple locations.
Production of audio/video tape has long been said to be a toxic process. I worked in a plant that used a process on coating raw steel where one byproduct was a powder that they then sold to BASF to produce tape. It was a byproduct of lye. Everything about that situation was bad news. Not good for us employees, transportation and storage of toxic chemicals, and who knows what else. I can't imagine it gets better down the line. But so is the manufacturing of the CD/DVDR medium. Highly toxic stuff. If it is a concern to a person...IF...if that is something in your realm of worry, files might be the only medium with a small footprint. Not making an argument here, but all the plastics we use in this pastime are on the negative side of manufacturing and carbon footprint when you consider weight, shipping, etc.
I don't care for C-10s, but I never liked noise/experimental 7"s either. I have maybe a dozen boxes of 7"s and only maybe 1/2 box of noise 7"s. With a punk background, I'm not sure why that is. It should probably be the opposite with that in mind. I'm guessing with some of us, it comes from history and habit. As a kid, I'd plant myself in front of the stereo and deep dive into the cover, lyrics, and notes of LPs. Total immersion. We didn't have any 7"s around the house, and when I got of age to buy my own music, it was always albums. From the beginning, I've been most satisfied with 30+ minutes. Learned behavior? Probably, at least in significant part.
I get the logic behind: best editing, best material, most focus, and all that jazz about short releases like 7"s and C-10s, but beyond that rational explanation, I don't really buy into that philosophy. If that's your model, cool. Like with Masonna using the pop song as a model for short tracks. There's something suspect about that for me. I'm not sure I would limit my argument to "if you can do 10 minutes, why can't you take another X amount of months and do 40 minutes?", but that is part of it. In 2019, I'm surprised everything isn't four minutes and out. The attention span of gnats. maybe we can thank bandcamp and soundcloud for that? I don't know. Or the vinyl "revolution" in battle with the phone?
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 08, 2019, 04:03:53 PM
NAC is now producing what they call "super ferric."
i've heard tale the stuff is shit quality with the magnetic layer flaking off the plastic tape.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 08, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 08, 2019, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on November 07, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Like what - is the planet gonna run out of super rare chrome dioxide? I don't know where this rumor comes from.
From what I understand, producing it causes some kind of heavily toxic byproduct that is no longer passing emissions standards. That's why Russia doesn't make it anymore and that's why NAC is now producing what they call "super ferric." It's apparently better quality that chrome, or so they've said.
What's your source on that? I've never heard the toxicity being substantiated as a reason why plants seized production. More of like a costly process to synthesize the crystals that wasn't feasible in multiple locations.
I either read it somewhere (no recollection of where/when) or I was told that while talking to Steve at NAC. Either way I didn't just pull it out of thin air.
Quotei've heard tale the stuff is shit quality with the magnetic layer flaking off the plastic tape.
I don't know because I haven't ordered any of it yet.
Quote from: PTM Jim on November 09, 2019, 08:38:40 AM
I either read it somewhere (no recollection of where/when) or I was told that while talking to Steve at NAC. Either way I didn't just pull it out of thin air.
Gotcha. Not accusing you of talking shit or anything; was just curious if you had a more reliable source than "I heard it from someone". Cause I heard it from people all over and never any saw any articles on it or had problems getting chrome tapes ever. But maybe one day there will be a lot of money to be made on ebay selling chrome tapes...
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 08, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
My assumption for reason that old noise releases are so long, was mainly that stores were selling C-60 and C-90. So bands and labels put out tapes of those lengths. C-45 were way more rare to find.
As soon as shorter tapes were easier available, there were being done.
Thanks, I think... You let a deeply buried hatred memory to bubble to the surface.
It's possible that noise people's were reusing an easily obtained format.
It's the reason for my hatred of C10's, and the word is................................................................................................. CASSINGLE.
I started a label early this year to basically put out C-10's. At the time I mainly thought of it as a fucking 45...flip the thing - jam another blaster and on and on. Lots of other benefits. They are cheap as all get out shipped here. Like seventy bucks for a hundred count box. I bag em up Slaughter style with cover and inserts and I got like a buck in the thing. I don't believe that the artists I have asked to contribute feel any sort of pressure editing up two five minute fire sides. Quick to home dub. I make a grip and send the artists half. Seems like a win / win for both parties. Also once I did the first one I've never had to put any personal dough back into doing the next ones.
Check the vibes. WORKING MAN LAY DOWN
https://www.discogs.com/label/1603923-Working-Man-Lay-Down
c10 would be way easier making into endless tape loop...
and hacking together musique concrete on cassette
Are they the screw or glue type shells??? most likely Glue.................
the previous poster is completely correct they were/are used for "Singles"
C20 is the perfect length, in my opinion. It takes a lot for me to listen to anything more than a C30 but that's usually because I like to listen to the whole release in one sitting.
I'm all for C10, so long as the price is right and the quality is there.
Different genre, but I bought a C5 from my friend's power violence band. Ridiculous, yes, but fuck it, why not? I didn't know they made such short tapes.
Yep that's great, how often did do you play it...
Cassingles were supposed to be listened more than once.. . Program repeats on the other side...
I'm older than something... Has your attention gotta that short???
Not trolling, serious question, why can't you go beyond 30 minutes for a single situation...??
Quote from: slagfrenzy tapes on December 02, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
Yep that's great, how often did do you play it...
Cassingles were supposed to be listened more than once.. . Program repeats on the other side...
I'm older than something... Has your attention gotta that short???
Not trolling, serious question, why can't you go beyond 30 minutes for a single situation...??
my mother only collected 45s. my father only LPs. now they just listen to satellite radio. tastes vary and change. is this a difficult concept for you?
Quote from: HateSermon on December 02, 2019, 01:09:33 AM
C20 is the perfect length, in my opinion. It takes a lot for me to listen to anything more than a C30 but that's usually because I like to listen to the whole release in one sitting.
I'm all for C10, so long as the price is right and the quality is there.
Different genre, but I bought a C5 from my friend's power violence band. Ridiculous, yes, but fuck it, why not? I didn't know they made such short tapes.
TDSOGF and Cock ESP put out a split C5 a ways back https://www.discogs.com/Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP-Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP/release/1929745
Quote from: andy vomit on December 02, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: HateSermon on December 02, 2019, 01:09:33 AM
C20 is the perfect length, in my opinion. It takes a lot for me to listen to anything more than a C30 but that's usually because I like to listen to the whole release in one sitting.
I'm all for C10, so long as the price is right and the quality is there.
Different genre, but I bought a C5 from my friend's power violence band. Ridiculous, yes, but fuck it, why not? I didn't know they made such short tapes.
TDSOGF and Cock ESP put out a split C5 a ways back https://www.discogs.com/Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP-Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP/release/1929745
i'll see you're C5 and raise you a C2
https://www.discogs.com/Coward-Electronics-Sitar-Solo/release/4719817
Quote from: Harvest on December 02, 2019, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: andy vomit on December 02, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: HateSermon on December 02, 2019, 01:09:33 AM
C20 is the perfect length, in my opinion. It takes a lot for me to listen to anything more than a C30 but that's usually because I like to listen to the whole release in one sitting.
I'm all for C10, so long as the price is right and the quality is there.
Different genre, but I bought a C5 from my friend's power violence band. Ridiculous, yes, but fuck it, why not? I didn't know they made such short tapes.
TDSOGF and Cock ESP put out a split C5 a ways back https://www.discogs.com/Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP-Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP/release/1929745
i'll see you're C5 and raise you a C2
https://www.discogs.com/Coward-Electronics-Sitar-Solo/release/4719817
Damn, unreal.
Quote from: HateSermon on December 03, 2019, 12:17:25 AM
Quote from: Harvest on December 02, 2019, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: andy vomit on December 02, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: HateSermon on December 02, 2019, 01:09:33 AM
C20 is the perfect length, in my opinion. It takes a lot for me to listen to anything more than a C30 but that's usually because I like to listen to the whole release in one sitting.
I'm all for C10, so long as the price is right and the quality is there.
Different genre, but I bought a C5 from my friend's power violence band. Ridiculous, yes, but fuck it, why not? I didn't know they made such short tapes.
TDSOGF and Cock ESP put out a split C5 a ways back https://www.discogs.com/Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP-Twodeadsluts-Onegoodfuck-Cock-ESP/release/1929745
i'll see you're C5 and raise you a C2
https://www.discogs.com/Coward-Electronics-Sitar-Solo/release/4719817
Damn, unreal.
https://www.discogs.com/Cock-ESP-You-Know-What-They-Say-About-Guys-With-Short-Sets/release/2120841
Here's a C1 - 30 seconds each side - captures a live-performance. I seem to recall there being a time when C1-releases were not uncommon. If you think that there are bands in like grindcore, power violence etc. whose entire discography is maybe like 20 minutes...1 minute releases seem appropriate...whatever floats your boat is what it is.
I have a small box of C1 and (i think) C0'30" cassettes which i'll actually think of something to do with one day :D They actually have Chrome tape in them for added ridiculousness
tried to use one at high speed in my 4 track and the end of the tape came off the spool tho
C20's are my personal favorite, but I'll gladly pay album prices for a good C10. I'd rather have a killer 10 mins than 10 mins of solid material and 20 mins extra of jerking off.