Most often these days, I hear people talk about how recording is slowly growing and evolving and all that. For my great surprise, I have never really been in discussion about the absolute highlights of noise. Meaning, that whatever the album is as a whole, is pretty irrelevant, when there is the small nugget of audio bliss, what you want to hear. Like perfect why it could be 7". Where things are over quick, but it delivered exactly what you needed.
I'm thinking of something like first c. 3 minutes of Merzbow "artificial invagination" mCD. I can't really think any other harsh noise piece, what in just couple of minutes, managed to cover such a great moments together. Whole 21 minute piece is great, yet the highlights is the utmost fireworks of first couple of minutes.
Emil Beaulieau, ripping off Shimpfluch in "Memories" CD. Track 7. First 1,5 minutes - well, basically whole track repeats the pattern, but it's something I could loop and listen endlessly. It captured my brain back in.. '94, and since then I return to this particular track quite frequently. It's unlike anything anyone has ever done?
From PE, it's easy to just check out the highlight tracks. Do As You're Told. Dog Day, Sir Nigger,... You can even go to more detail. Strom.ec "losing it" in their Arma Christi works. When vocalist goes utterly maniac performance with his voice. Same could be said of Wriggle Like Fucking Eel. Album itself is completely in shadow of that highlight.
I remember in 90's reading Masonna interview from Bananafish and he was explaining his method of doing long recording and then just collecting the highlights. Removing everything else. And that's probably the reason why things like Madamoselle Anne..... or Noskl In Ana etc survive the test of time.
BUT even more, I have always talked about Come Again II compilation, but the more you experience noise, the more talent you may find in how it's compiled. For example, take Solmania track from that comp. It's merely.. 1 minute? Less? And it's one of the most versatile, information packed piece of guitar noise brilliance. And when you listen to Solmania tape on Vanilla Records, you will spot the moment where it's taken from. And the guy who compiled this CD, had the taste to pick up the ultimate highlight of 40-60mins(?) long piece, and cut it in a way it works without long process of developing sound there. There are others like that. This compilation doesn't appear to be simply artists contributions, but someone with good taste, selecting what is the best out there, and putting that as compilation.
After hearing endless amount of stretched ambient track, repetative industrial loops going nowhere, micro sound noodling, pieces relying on life long bass frequency tactics, jams trying to awake some sort of mesmerizing feeling... Even if not saying those methods are wrong or bad, I wonder how come the utmost fireworks of noise highlights are so rare?
There should be some label to do like they do in porn. Cumshot compilations! Remove the foreplay, remove the length fuck scene. Just quick cut to end of anal scene and then pop shot. And move to next. With wide variety of different kinds of meat. HAH! I'm not kidding. It's not about short attention span, but about appreciation to talented editorial work.
I rember thinking the same when somebody taped me a collection of GO tracks that were taken from live and compilations, you got all the hits without having to endure the the more experimental tracks that were very good in my opinion, but where not as intense as tracks like Tom Tom Macoute.
I think my shifting from average industrial/experimental stuff to straight power electronics with recognizable vocals and obsessive loops was due to the same feeling.
Well, I'm not at all against the "experimental". Perhaps even the opposite!
Opening topic was about perhaps 3 things:
1) Just that material delivers, and it's not merely artists "process" and artists vague vibes and atmosphere. But that every moment matters and every moment brilliant. No filler.
2) material where is process/"filler", but ALSO utmost highlight making it worth.
3) composed songs - intentional that has been build as "highlights" as opposed to just random improvisations.
I am not against it either!
for myself, there's obviously projects that seem to spread perfection through the length of a release:
DEAD BODY LOVE - Low-Fi Power Carnage
MAUTHAUSEN ORCHESTRA - From Homicide to Slaughter
etc.
but yes, there are many moments from releases that are more 'fleeting' moments of bliss. the first one that always pops into my head is from MERBOW's 'Pinkream' 10" set. the 'tuku tuku' track has the portion near the start where the high pitched sandy buzz degenerates into a incredibly rough garble.
most recently for me, rediscovering the SODALITY's 'orgies of crime' track that rapidly escalates into a perfectly executed and FUCKING LOUD cacophony of violence at the end.
QuoteThere should be some label to do like they do in porn. Cumshot compilations! Remove the foreplay, remove the length fuck scene. Just quick cut to end of anal scene and then pop shot. And move to next. With wide variety of different kinds of meat. HAH! I'm not kidding. It's not about short attention span, but about appreciation to talented editorial work.
brings forth the discussion of whether of not listeners need the sense of drama and anticipation to appreciate sound and how it builds and falls apart sonically. like the story 'arc' or structure of a novel or feature length film. i'm sure the incredibly brutal rape and murder scene out of nowhere as the conclusion of Fernando Di Leo's film TO BE TWENTY wouldn't be half as effective if the other 98% of the film wasn't an erotic comedy.
Quote from: THE RITA HN on March 03, 2011, 10:16:39 PMbrings forth the discussion of whether of not listeners need the sense of drama and anticipation to appreciate sound and how it builds and falls apart sonically. like the story 'arc' or structure of a novel or feature length film. i'm sure the incredibly brutal rape and murder scene out of nowhere as the conclusion of Fernando Di Leo's film TO BE TWENTY wouldn't be half as effective if the other 98% of the film wasn't an erotic comedy.
I'm here. I appreciate -want, and maybe almost need- the full arc. This is a common theme in my discussions about improvisational bands, like free jazz and bands like the Grateful Dead. A question was asked, "Do you go straight to the parts you like?" My response was, "Sometimes just to hear one note, but I can't just go straight to that note. I need the entire story in order for it to feel right." Though the excerpt that really hits me the hardest happens two hours into the recording, I desire to listen to everything that happened before that favored segment for it to have the greatest impact. It's not really an issue of patience, an exercise in listening habits, or paying dues. It has everything to do with encouraging the greatest impact of a piece of music or a segment of music. Now, I'm left to ask myself if matters of
drama or
anticipation play a substantial role in my preference. I don't really think so because of how I can relate such story to other things I enjoy. Not only are you setting the palate, even performing a cleansing in a way, but you're preparing the mind all along the way. But I am biased, and I've said it many times before: I prefer long derangement of the senses. I don't totally discount the quick hits, but for my greatest pleasure and utmost value, I prefer the long haul.
I think I approach this like a meal. I could skip everything prior to the dessert and just eat the dessert, but the affects of the rest of the meal on the dessert are greatly significant. Same goes for a good cigar or pipe tobacco. The most satisfying smokes occur during a process and not as an isolated event. I can do things to shorten that process, but they never can substitute for the full process. The crescendo is inevitably robbed of part of its impact if I shortchange the process.
EDIT: this is almost like a Greatest Hits of Greatest Hits. I rarely discuss tracks, because I'm an album type person. I don't process music in segments or tracks. When I do think of a song, I'm more apt to be thinking of the album. About the only time I listen to an isolated track is when I'm listening to a mix tape, and in that instance, it has been re-contextualized into another arc. It's all a matter of dynamics, and without them, I don't think you're left with much at all.
Quotefirst c. 3 minutes of Merzbow "artificial invagination" mCD. I can't really think any other harsh noise piece, what in just couple of minutes, managed to cover such a great moments together.
Yes ! some of the best noise ever .
I might have very simple tastes , but for example to me 80% of Incapacitants keep that "highlight moment of audio bliss" for the entire length of the recording .
I don't think cumshot compilation-style could apply to noise though . Even if i'm completely with Masonna in the method choosing the best bits of a longer recording session and discarding the useless ones , that still means building a somehow coherent piece with its eventual up and downs .
Either way , if it's good noise it's good noise .
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 03, 2011, 10:18:04 AMThere should be some label to do like they do in porn. Cumshot compilations! Remove the foreplay, remove the length fuck scene. Just quick cut to end of anal scene and then pop shot. And move to next. With wide variety of different kinds of meat. HAH! I'm not kidding. It's not about short attention span, but about appreciation to talented editorial work.
You'd get bored with it. The good bits are only good because of their juxtaposition with everything else. This need to par down everything to "the best bits" is what started the whole Wall Noise thing and look what that turned into.
Editing out the rubbish is, of course, important but when it comes to editing improvisational material it can become endless. I've laboured on material for hours without getting anything satisfactory, then come back to the same material later with a fresh mind and have found that excluded material can be more to my liking than included.
I'd be very circumspect to suggest "the best highlight moments" of a lot of lengthy material I listen to if it's something I want to listen to in the first place. I'm not sure it's very helpful.
mmm, a continuous stream of pleasure could produces boredom cause there will be not time for the relax of extasis experience.
Our mind and bodies needs spare times to aprehend the experience, then the next episode will be stronger than one into a nonstop serie.
This is well known by SM practicants, also by torturers of prisoners, among others.
Do you ever made the experience of made a tape compiling only and just the most brutal, noisy, and non musical sections of the music you listen? well, in my early youth, 16-17, ( now im 34) I had this brilliant idea : to compile a K7 with portions of the music I was able to get into the crap city were I used to live, (think on sonic youth, napalm death, fudge tunnel, some dots of NIN, nothing so special, but significant in that shit context) Of course, was funny as hell, but soon the 'hate tape' ( that was how i used to called it) just turns boring.- Hahaha.
Vocals:
DIUTESC "who killed jesus. That is a liar!!!"
CON-DOM "some people, some people never got a chance"
G.O. "JUUUUDAAAAAAASS"
FINAL SOLUTION "I wanna take you back..."
Others:
GREEN ARMY FRACTION "Eurasian Love-Song" and some symphonic sample between vocals
OBJECT/URIAN "Last farewell" Some children choir?
This is why Strict's "Kiss" is my most objective favorite HN/PE release. Under 30 minutes so long enough to stick and satisfy but not so overwrought it burns you out midway, and at least in my opinion there's no wasted space.
incapacitants track 'necklacing' on east west noise treaty always delivered the perfect, full grammatical sentence type experience of high frequency abuse and beyond. i can listen to it over and over
it helps that it was my first real introduction to this type of sound
what comes to mind is a Con-Dom-White Bastard, throughout the song the high end noise is interrupted by a sort of low pitch loop.
also would listen to hanatarash just for second long segments, when the whole feeling of the release might be kind of corny, but those split seconds are the most psychedelic experiences ive had with music.
Quote from: Eleczema on March 17, 2011, 11:14:45 PM
CON-DOM "some people, some people never got a chance"
TO BUY JAPANESE! ;)
This is one of the reasons i like the 7" format so much. There's only room for the best or most intense parts..
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on June 04, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
This is one of the reasons i like the 7" format so much. There's only room for the best or most intense parts..
in theory
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 04, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on June 04, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
This is one of the reasons i like the 7" format so much. There's only room for the best or most intense parts..
in theory
Laughing my ass off!
In theory.
For me all my favorite moments are from my earliest hn persuaders, so almost all of the Alchemy Incaps discs- the first twenty seconds or so- plus Hijokaidan Modern and Windom. In some cases the bits where the voices sound like they are shitting themselves in concert with a seemingly intensified shrieking electronic interval. "Live" from Feedback Of NMS is notable in this regard. Or where new, or momentary, plateaus of harshness seem to be reached, real or imagined. "PT Team, What's That?" from New Movements In CMPD notable here. The opening track from Incaps Quietus "No Risk No Return" is like one long, drawn out, orgasm. But the first half minute is particularly persuasive as the earholes soon realize that what's in store is very probably more of the same... but, uh, more so.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 07, 2018, 05:58:54 PM
Hijokaidan Windom..
Hijokaidan has so much killer releases, but beginning of Windom is ultimate.
Electronic noise almost like loop, piercing feedback High pitch gtr noise, and junko starting to scream... by 2 minutes, highlight has been experienced, yet of course remaining track - and whole album is gold. But first 1:30... could it be better? It is not only intense, loud and ripping but memorable!
https://youtu.be/nFsFiELXyIE
This must be the brostep section of noise. Man, did you hear the beat drop!?!
There's a pretty sick transition in Edge of Decay's...I think it's "Lobotomialla Ratkaistu Virhe", but it's definitely one of the tracks on Halogeeni Helvetti. Pauses the crackle static for a sample, then busts out, so to speak.