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Title: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: tiny_tove on August 11, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt

Nationalist message on T-shirt changes to call for tolerance when taken home and washed



    Helen Pidd, Berlin
    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 10 August 2011 18.05 BST
    Article history

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German neo-Nazi rock fans were tricked into accepting T-shirts with an anti-extremist message. Photograph: Roland Weihrauch/AP

Rightwing rock fans at a nationalist music festival in eastern Germany were taken by surprise when souvenir T-shirts they were given were emblazoned with a secret anti-extremist message.

The slogan on the shirts first read "hardcore rebels" along with a skull and nationalist flags. But once the T-shirts were washed, the tagline turned into a message from a group offering to help far-right extremists break away from the neo-Nazi scene.

"If your T-shirt can do it, you can do it too – we'll help you get away from right-wing extremism," reads the slogan on the shirts after their first washing.

The shirts were handed to 250 people at a "Rock for Germany" festival in Gera by organisers after they had been donated anonymously. They were provided by Exit, a group which helps people disassociate themselves from the far-right.

Exit claimed to have pulled off the stunt after contacting festival organisers in the eastern state of Thuringia using a false name, saying they wanted to support the scene while retaining their anonymity. The T-shirts were in lieu of a donation, they claimed.

The organisers accepted and dished out the freebies at the festival on Saturday.

Twenty-four hours later a warning message was sent from the organisers via Facebook and SMS warning festival-goers that the T-shirts were not all they seemed. "Exit has wasted several thousand [euros] of tax payers' money," said the missive.

But Bernd Wagner, founder of Exit, insisted that no state funds had been used in the initiative. "It was all paid for by private money – not one cent came from taxpayers," he said in a phone interview.

He said a supporter had approached Exit with the idea, saying he had developed a special fabric ink for concealing hidden messages. "It had never been done before. It was completely new. We had to experiment with it a lot to make sure it worked, to ensure the top layer would not wash away in rain, for example," he said.

Gordon Richter, a member of the far-right NPD party who organised the festival, said the stunt was a waste of money.

But Wagner said the stunt went better than they ever dared hope.

"We wanted to raise awareness about our programme, especially among the young and less committed," he said. "There were so many points along the way where our plan could have failed, but it all went perfectly."

Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: tisbor on August 11, 2011, 01:58:39 PM
all germans should be firebranded a swastika on their forehead at birth, it's the only way to make them happy and not complain about nazi stuff anymore.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 11, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
This was also in Finnish news (god knows how THIS is news that makes to daily papers!?!? As if not something important currently happening around the world?).
I don't know who benefit from this? People got shirts free of charge. So it was probably some tax payers money that got lost. I'm sure the organization is funded? 250 shirt straight into garbage, that environmentally great anti-nazi move.
Lets hear how many converted and then we can see who was tricked by who?

Not sure should it be mentioned in 1% topic or this, but in Finland there's long been the bikers for veterans campaigns. Legendary KIITOS paita for example. Money collected for war veterans. Same was done by skinheads with fund raising football matches.

Where is the money spent by antiracists...? Organizing some cozy street party for sake of diversity? Plastering some swastika crushing stickers around the city as if these underground street team battles would matter to someone? As if some member of minority would feel better seeing there might be few antifascist punks lurking in streets of city at the night time... hmm.
One would expect political organizations would have good things to do. To help out those in need or to campaign on things that matter. One would think 250 shirts like this, it's budget of 1000+ euros. One couldn't think better thing to do with the money? Maybe it simply wouldn't buy them this kind of european wide PR.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: ARKHE on August 11, 2011, 10:06:37 PM
No cost is too much for a good prank & publicity stunt. Apparently, the money for it came from private donors, rich antiracists I suppose. Supposedly, this kind of fake print hasn't been done before, so it probably cost a lot more than just printing 250 ordinary tees.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: Ashley Choke on August 12, 2011, 11:36:16 PM
If you ask me this is rather funny. But the other way around would have been even better. A giant swassi appearing on a AFA shirt, imagine!
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: ARKHE on August 13, 2011, 10:26:20 AM
They'd have to kill themselves for being in possession of a swastika. Guilty by association.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: UGRA on August 16, 2011, 04:37:11 AM
Maybe it´s not effective for changing political beliefs, but it is certainly effective to give EXIT some publicity.
And it´s kind of funny too.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: heretogo on August 16, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 11, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Where is the money spent by antiracists...?

Oh yeah, the bikers and boneheads are the ones in dire need of goverment funding. I'm sure the money wouldn't be spent on whores, guns, drugs & steroids... Anyway, the street-level anti-fascists (& related) don't generally get much public funding for their activities (beyond their personal social security, hah!). Sometimes the city might be "generous" with the squatted spaces but that's about it. Mostly the money comes from private individuals, rich & not-so-rich. And it's often spent on oh-so-sexy things as helping Romani gypsies get medicalcare. It's maybe not something you agree with but you might be surprised by what's actually being done.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: tiny_tove on August 16, 2011, 10:12:13 AM
Maybe where you live.
In Italy (and UK), there are several organisation/trusts that get funded by the state through taxes, national lottery, national funding or, worse, European funds for "young" social enterprises, etc.
Get a social conscious cause, make a few important friends, find yourself some foes, and you will get money.

This money is often given to people who do nothing apart from spreading lies regarding political opponents (even when not necessarily extreme). They need to create a "danger" in order to have these funds justified.
So you get all these "professional" experts.

Think about Searchlight magazine. Despite what you think about racism, they have been spreading lies about people who had no links with the extreme right, exposing personal details of privates who were no connected with that world, claiming they were part of conspiracies.
In Italy there are hundreds of similar groups who get money, sponsorships, etc, etc.

I am not against public funding for cultural association (some of them, like the ARCI, do excellent things and manage important spaces open to almost everyone, so do some semi-legal squats that gets public fundings by constituting "associations"), but when I see money wasted for stupid things, especially by groups that pretend to be socially conscious I ask where my taxes money go. This not related to the shirts, which sounded like a funny prank to me and a fine example of social hacking. I was not thinking about the money when I posted it.

Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: heretogo on August 16, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on August 16, 2011, 10:12:13 AM
Maybe where you live.

Yes, I was commenting on the situation in Finland (like Mikko). And I was specifically talking about "street-level" anti-fascists, anarchists, autonomes etc. Also here there are of course groups that get public funding but they generally have nothing to do with "street parties or anti-fascist punks". Sometimes there are successful "infiltrations" to official groups and little funding gained this way but that's not the norm. My main point was that what you see in the media (stupid young people wasting their time) ain't necessarily the whole truth.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: tiny_tove on August 16, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
I totally agree on that!
There are always different levels of understanding of events, you must consider backgorunds and media/state/corporation strumentalisation of everything.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: Strömkarlen on August 16, 2011, 01:07:46 PM
In a way these organisation works like the military in the US. When the enemy is gone, you have to find a new one. After the cold war/the wall came down there was an interesting time because no one seemed to know who the enemy was. Action films from America had all these different super villians before settling for the middle east muslin nut stereotype. (He was a hero a couple of years before.)
The same thing with Searchlight and their like. Street gangs of skinheads aren't around anymore. Shit, what should we talk about know to rally up support? Something evil have to exists out there?
Let's face it we are talking about people who made a living out of going after what they consider fascists. If they are successful they are out of jobs.

Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: Goat93 on August 16, 2011, 06:35:38 PM
In Germany the Social Sector "Left Winged" is massive paid from State and Official Distributions, like Culture Venture or University. Its also just easy to get Money for the Fight "against Right Winged, Racism and Intolerance" since this "Fight" is just Newspaper News. They want to be against but they have no intention to Change something. So they throw the Money out of the Window for really Nice and Silly Actions, but don't consider that some of them are Intolerant and Racisistic in its own. So they featured much Social Street Work and paid for Sprayer, Hip Hop Events and all such stuff, till they recognize, that from this pops up a nice and funny Intolerant and Racistic "Against Germans and Government" Issue with same kind of recklessness like the bad Nazis.

Otherwise there is no "closed" Picture of Nazi/Right Winged, so on the one Side its normal to pray antisemitic Issues and be "Anti Nazi", on the other Side you are a Nazi if you wear a wrong Shirt (if you pull out the Shirt you are no nazi anymore btw. thats the real Fun at this matter).

Ahh, Political Stuff like Communism and such is banned also. I'm not sure but i heared that more Left Winged Political Propaganda Books are banned in Germany as Right Winged. I don't mean Landser CD Booklets or Supernazi Comix, real Books...
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: XE on August 16, 2011, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: heretogo on August 16, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 11, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Where is the money spent by antiracists...?

Oh yeah, the bikers and boneheads are the ones in dire need of goverment funding. I'm sure the money wouldn't be spent on whores, guns, drugs & steroids... Anyway, the street-level anti-fascists (& related) don't generally get much public funding for their activities (beyond their personal social security, hah!). Sometimes the city might be "generous" with the squatted spaces but that's about it. Mostly the money comes from private individuals, rich & not-so-rich. And it's often spent on oh-so-sexy things as helping Romani gypsies get medicalcare. It's maybe not something you agree with but you might be surprised by what's actually being done.

Slightly off topic, but these oh-so-sexy things are allways my cup of tea. I heard about case where Romani Gypsy cunt was begging on street. One gentleman made a business proposal. Show me your tits and get a few coins type of deal. Tits out and few cents to mug.
Same idea has came to my mind at local mall when kids have asked me to get some cigarettes/beer to em.










Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 16, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: XE on August 16, 2011, 09:56:55 PM
Slightly off topic, but these oh-so-sexy things are allways my cup of tea. I heard about case where Romani Gypsy cunt was begging on street. One gentleman made a business proposal. Show me your tits and get a few coins type of deal. Tits out and few cents to mug.
Same idea has came to my mind at local mall when kids have asked me to get some cigarettes/beer to em.

(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/t/the-lieutenant-harvey-keitel--630-75.jpg)
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: XE on August 16, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 16, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: XE on August 16, 2011, 09:56:55 PM
Slightly off topic, but these oh-so-sexy things are allways my cup of tea. I heard about case where Romani Gypsy cunt was begging on street. One gentleman made a business proposal. Show me your tits and get a few coins type of deal. Tits out and few cents to mug.
Same idea has came to my mind at local mall when kids have asked me to get some cigarettes/beer to em.

(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/t/the-lieutenant-harvey-keitel--630-75.jpg)


Exactly!!! I do worship that scene!! " Have y ever suck a guys cock?... w/those fucking lips...etc.etc.  "
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on August 18, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: heretogo on August 16, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 11, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Where is the money spent by antiracists...?

Oh yeah, the bikers and boneheads are the ones in dire need of goverment funding. I'm sure the money wouldn't be spent on whores, guns, drugs & steroids... Anyway, the street-level anti-fascists (& related) don't generally get much public funding for their activities (beyond their personal social security, hah!). Sometimes the city might be "generous" with the squatted spaces but that's about it. Mostly the money comes from private individuals, rich & not-so-rich. And it's often spent on oh-so-sexy things as helping Romani gypsies get medicalcare. It's maybe not something you agree with but you might be surprised by what's actually being done.

I mentioned that those people have organized money raising benefit things, for purpose (not their own), and as far as I know, given it forward. And this is the thugs and thieves. I didn't say they would need funding from anyone.

Nowadays it's not so much about one-issue-organizations. In helsinki, it's not really "antifa" who have profiled with the gypsy issue, but wider social movement with plenty of issues and goals and actually also doing things.
Of course in Finland no longer really exists antifa, so how they used to be funded and what they used to do with this money is nowadays quite irrelevant here, but perhaps not in other countries? How many fascists did they stop and how many victims of fascism they may have helped out? Where funds of resources were spent?

I was very close to all groups in Lahti years ago, and I believe funds were received, plenty of benefit shows were held. Youth center and employment office paid the workers. And what was done? I recall nothing really, but weekly meetings focusing on hanging out. I worked in the center with state paid salary. Even in case when near by fur farm shotgun action took place, it had nothing to do with local Oikeutta Eläimille or Animalia (both operated from same center), but was couple exciting days with lots of phonecalls. One could calculate the costs and energy of entire activism, and come to conclusion that why not friends just gather at some friends house for tea, if that's what you do. It's different if they do good things that have good effect. I don't think this t-shirt stunt nor anything I've personally seen, belongs to such category. Alternative social security for welfare sounds entirely different, regardless how I may personally feel about it.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: heretogo on August 19, 2011, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 18, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
I mentioned that those people have organized money raising benefit things, for purpose (not their own), and as far as I know, given it forward. And this is the thugs and thieves. I didn't say they would need funding from anyone.

I know. But if one wants to start nit-picking about the overall financial effect of such actions by such groups maybe we should take into account the cost of one prison year for the state (about  40 000 euros)... There should be quite a sum collected for the war veterans to make up for all those other actions, heh heh...

And yes, I also don't really see the point (besides humour) of the t-shirt stunt.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: XE on August 19, 2011, 09:24:51 PM
Quote from: heretogo on August 19, 2011, 09:24:12 AM
I know. But if one wants to start nit-picking about the overall financial effect of such actions by such groups maybe we should take into account the cost of one prison year for the state (about  40 000 euros)... There should be quite a sum collected for the war veterans to make up for all those other actions, heh heh...


You see gypsy beggar on street and start thinking of his/her medical care. 1% biker and its all about prison costs. Hmmm..
However I like the idea of price tag on people´s ass. Multitalented young man from African horn, white trash whore w/ 4 kids, university student, Social security bum, drunk, etc.etc.   
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: heretogo on August 19, 2011, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Markkula on August 19, 2011, 09:24:51 PM
You see gypsy beggar on street and start thinking of his/her medical care. 1% biker and its all about prison costs. Hmmm..  

Hah! Actually I think them gypsies are the original 1%'s, OG's and outlaws, right?
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: XE on August 24, 2011, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: heretogo on August 19, 2011, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Markkula on August 19, 2011, 09:24:51 PM
You see gypsy beggar on street and start thinking of his/her medical care. 1% biker and its all about prison costs. Hmmm..  

Hah! Actually I think them gypsies are the original 1%'s, OG's and outlaws, right?

Ok. Lets check out those Original Ganster`s bitches..

Finland:
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6054/naisen20pukuuusiiso.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/naisen20pukuuusiiso.jpg/)

And same time in Romania:
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8122/romagypsies.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/romagypsies.jpg/)



Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: tisbor on August 25, 2011, 02:07:40 AM
QuoteAnd same time in Italy:
fixed!
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: ConcreteMascara on August 26, 2011, 03:27:44 AM
Good looking ladies.
Title: Re: German rightwing rock fans tricked in anti-extremist T-shirt stunt
Post by: GEWALTMONOPOL on August 26, 2011, 12:53:16 PM
Several years ago my employer enganged in an exchange program with colleagues in Romania. One of those patronising "lets show these poor cousins from the country how it's REALLY done with equipment they'll probably never be able to afford anyway" schemes. Either way, a bunch of our instructors were sent to Romania and were accommodated in the homes of the Romanian officers. They all got picked up by their respective hosts at the airport. One instructor, on route to where he was staying, saw a gypsy girl of maybe 10-12 begging by the side of the road. The driver swerved towards her with every intention to run her over. She threw herself out of the way escaping by the skin of her teeth. Common reaction to Gypsies in Romania apparently. The instructor comming from the rich and cosey UK where we are forced by law to embrace and love everyone had quite a shock.

I wish the common reaction in Germany was to run over soft left wing cunts who believe they make a difference by pissing away thousands of either their own or the tax payers money on making a bullshit t-shirt aimed at making fun of people whose opinions they don't agree with. I'm no right winger. I'm certainly no liberal, not in the usual sense anyway  but i fucking HATE the left. Out of all despicable politicos and horrid ideologies they are by far - BY FAR - the fucking worst!