Moderators comment: This topic not just about Rape Arts Prod, but in general people warning others about bad experiences in noise underground. If you don't wish to be on list, don't fool around and rip off people. If you feel your label (or other activity) is unjustifiedly mentioned, feel free to straighten it up.
I seen the topic of how to handle rip off labels and figured it was about time i made mention of my experience..
Back in September I released the MORTUOR cd. I came in contact with Jaview of Rape Art and we began emailing back and forth getting all the details worked out.. I was skeptical to deal with javier at first, but i seen his catalog of titles and they were from all different label in the genre.. i figured it would be ok to go ahead with it..
initially Javier wanted a higher cd count from me.. he wanted a 1:1 rate on everything, yet half of his releases were cdrs.. I told him i couldnt do a 1:1 on everything, but we managed to get it worked out.. i mailed my package late September. I never heard back from him, but the releases i traded him were now in his distro..
I sent an email or 2 directly to him. no response.
i sent myspace message to him. no response.
i sent forum message via troniks. no response.
now i understand we all have our personal lives outside of here, but if something is stalling, just let it be known.. id much rather know that you are in a bind and having a hard time and you'll get to me as soon as you can, then to not hear anything.. if you know its going to be more then a few days.. let me know.. im guilty of a few days here and there myself, but i try to not let it get any further then that.. keep me posted is all i ask..
all in all, i still have not heard from javier. i can only attempt communication so many times before i stop attempting. im at that point.. weather or not i get my package.. who knows, but if i do, i still wont be trading with javier again..
i have a full email with all the details from this trade, if anyone wants to see just hit me up and i can email it..
For what this is worth - I got a cd from this distro last year and got a few pestering emails, urging me to write in the review section on how prompt the delivery was. Of course I didn't bother. Pretty weird, though, fishing for compliments like that.
This "scene" continues to amaze me in the worst of ways.
I don't have good opinion about RAPE ARTS PROD too. People should look for a compromise but still they must know what they want. This man doesn't want to be fair and square.
perhaps we need just one rip-off warning topic? And this could be transferred to be the one. I can modify the name of topic so if you got serious rip off warnings, what are not simply lack of communication from both sides (like X not knowing Y's package was lost in mail).
I don't deal with Rape Art. I found the releases low quality and some not even functional. Deals and communication always bad. After few failed attempts to get trade agreed, I just gave up. So never was ripped off, but I'm not amazed that some were.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 09, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
perhaps we need just one rip-off warning topic? And this could be transferred to be the one. I can modify the name of topic so if you got serious rip off warnings, what are not simply lack of communication from both sides (like X not knowing Y's package was lost in mail).
I think this is good idea.
I found myself that dealing with ppl from Southamerica ends being quite negative experiences often,
not everybody of course but 80% of them seem to be looking for a profit for themselves giving zero in return...
anyway I think sometimes it's worth the risk to try
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 09, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
perhaps we need just one rip-off warning topic? And this could be transferred to be the one. I can modify the name of topic so if you got serious rip off warnings, what are not simply lack of communication from both sides (like X not knowing Y's package was lost in mail).
yep
good idea!
B.Rush http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/ (http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/)
Small Russian micro-label, mostly cdrs. In around 2007/8 I sent an album of material to be released. It was listed on his website as having been released. I was promised "autors (sic) copies" but never got them. Since then, he told me he was sending my copies to Leigh Julian of Smell The Stench, who emailed me saying he was told the same thing but never got them. I had put it down to sloppy postal system. He also contacted me last year, in August on the NoiseGuide site saying that he would "try to send you your discs again", which indicated to me that they where not lost in the mail the first time around if he still had copies of what was a limited edition (there was special packaging involved).
I had forgotten about all this until recently when I was contacted by Manuel of RONF records, who told me he had the same problems getting copies of an album he submitted. What's more, he told me actual pressing was fucked up, with some tracks corrupted with missing sound.
If anyone has any more information about this bloke, Den, and his micro-label, I'd appreciate knowing it. It looks to me like it is no longer operational.
I'm all for lesser numbers of threads of the same topic, being concise, and attempting to be efficient, but stacking this kind of thing all into one thread seems like a good recipe for any said asshat to get lost in the pages. A new topic for every single one of these pieces of trash shines a lot brighter, at least to this ship.
This thread should be a sticky.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 14, 2010, 02:47:53 AM
B.Rush http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/ (http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/)
I had forgotten about all this until recently when I was contacted by Manuel of RONF records, who told me he had the same problems getting copies of an album he submitted. What's more, he told me actual pressing was fucked up, with some tracks corrupted with missing sound.
Indeed, and I had to buy the copy of my release from a different label/mailorder.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 14, 2010, 02:47:53 AM
B.Rush http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/ (http://www.brush-label.narod.ru/)
If anyone has any more information about this bloke, Den, and his micro-label, I'd appreciate knowing it. It looks to me like it is no longer operational.
I know this guy. Indeed, the "label" is no longer operational because the guy have no money to pay even for Internet connection and to rent a flat so he is a hobo these days, I think. He always was putting out releases in a shitty packaging with staples, color sprays and pixelized xeroxed covers in the worst amateurish manner possible. Only a few of the releases were not disgusting to look at but anyway were garbage in design. I think he never sent a shit to you since it took him 1,5 years to send a trade part to me inside Russia and a need to get money to send a package via international airmail would force him to sell a kidney.
Thanks for that. I hope for his sake that he gets his shit together. In the meantime, it means the material I sent him I can release properly myself, which I'm pleased about.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 14, 2010, 04:52:28 AM
I'm all for lesser numbers of threads of the same topic, being concise, and attempting to be efficient, but stacking this kind of thing all into one thread seems like a good recipe for any said asshat to get lost in the pages. A new topic for every single one of these pieces of trash shines a lot brighter, at least to this ship.
I agree in both directions on this *keeping it direct topic, and keeping it general topic*. but i lean towards direct topic.. i never had a problem with some other labels others had problems with, like the original ripoff thread discussed, so honestly i woouldnt wanna read what others said or their experiences.. if someone said 'this label ripped me off". id ready it, as a precautionary measure.. people always flock to find the negative side of things..
Ken Jhon Soabra - deathmask255@hotmail.com
Got it touch with me via email after I posted my wantlist on various forums. Everything sounded very legit, he had some of the tapes I was after. I made an offer, he accepted, everything seemed fine. As soon as I paid him the money I never received any emails from him again and obviously never received any tapes. I paid through PayPal so I simply made a claim and have just got all of my money back.
What I don't understand is how he thought he could get away with stealing my money? I did everything through PayPal so obviously I am just going to make a claim when no package arrives and he ignores all of my emails. This simply proves he is an idiot.
so my last post on this was close to a year ago.. the general topic idea was a good idea..
shortly after a facebook post last year i accused javier of being a rip off he contacted me immediatley and told me he would send the discs.. needless to say, nothing ever arrived.. maybe i will do it again and see what comes about..
i dont understand these people logic..
Maybe I am lucky either never deal with South American labels but since 2002 I've never been rip offed. Sometimes there were 6-8 months waitings, maybe 2-3 cases a year -- even Mikko once took 6 months for a delivery of the trade :) Being in contact is the only thing needed in case of delays.
Oh, and I never got a trade part from Deadline Recordings in 2005 but it was the year than 10 or so labels got nothing from him because of his health issues. Though it is not an excuse anyway.
Currently awaiting tons of stuff in the mail, Scandinavia and US, both gear and CDs/Tapes but seriously it feels like the Danish and US postal system is so fucking ridiculous and ineffective ATM that it would hardly make any sense to do anything other than wait. Rates go up, service go down, Fucking hell!
ABGVRD i bet you email RR many time and he always had an excuse to tell you about it so classic lol 2005 & now 2012 so did he finally shipped you the trade or you still wait ?
Quote from: Bleak Existence on January 28, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
ABGVRD i bet you email RR many time and he always had an excuse to tell you about it so classic lol 2005 & now 2012 so did he finally shipped you the trade or you still wait ?
Yes, I did email him then. As far as I remember, there were two answers for a dozen of my letters. The first one "Sorry, I will ship it ASAP", the second one "I shipped it long ago but to the wrong address in Russia". After that I quit writing a shit to him.
And then I told him once on old Troniks board in the thread started by Arjan Peeks of TERG that being gay is not a good idea and I wish him the soonest AIDS. As the result he was insulted and told that from now on he owes me nothing (it was 6 or 8 months since he got my trade part). Thus I lost some badly dubbed shitty xeroxed releases of Deadline recordings. What a drama.
Quote from: ABGVRD on January 28, 2012, 02:51:28 PM
Maybe I am lucky either never deal with South American labels but since 2002 I've never been rip offed. Sometimes there were 6-8 months waitings, maybe 2-3 cases a year -- even Mikko once took 6 months for a delivery of the trade :)
I don't say it could not happen, but such case would be simply mistake, which rarely happens and always solved with quick reminder.
Most often "delay" of 6 months would be about me waiting someone's stuff first here. Not that I have their stuff, and not send stuff what I owe.
With noise, I don't have any uncompleted/rip off deals to complain about. There are some of these people mentioned in topic, who I don't send stuff in advance. If they want to trade, they will send first. They know why, I certainly know why, and I have no reason to change to policy even if it would mean I miss their releases. Less headache is better than couple noise releases. The absolute best releases and labels are available easily and easy to communicate with.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 29, 2012, 05:30:37 PMWith noise, I don't have any uncompleted/rip off deals to complain about.
Just wondering: more trouble with Metal labels?
yes, but I guess it is basically just two things:
1) more people do it for impure reasons
2) more labels out there to deal with
The End Records, big USA label ripped off lots of people. Perhaps 60 CD's from me. But owed tens of thousands of dollars for some bigger labels. Stellar Winter russia, c. 50 CD's. Those two probably the biggest unsolved rip offs personally at the moment, been so for 1-3 years... But over the years, I would suspect hundreds of CD's lost around the world, but that's life. It's part of the business you will experience when you do a lot of things.
I would not cry much over lost 2-5 CD's, especially with cases just about everybody SHOULD know at this time, are slackers. I, like everybody else, falls into those traps few times and learn lessons.
I have just learnt from a good friend that he has been ripped-off $80 by Josh Burke of Midnight Star Media. Anyone else had problems with this person??
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 30, 2012, 11:02:23 AM
yes, but I guess it is basically just two things:
1) more people do it for impure reasons
2) more labels out there to deal with
Yeah, I could imagine that with Metal there's more people who want to earn money with it and there's probably more of a 'status' to be gained in Metal than there is in Noise... The whole 'cult' thing, for example.
Quote from: Ashmonger on January 30, 2012, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 30, 2012, 11:02:23 AM
yes, but I guess it is basically just two things:
1) more people do it for impure reasons
2) more labels out there to deal with
Yeah, I could imagine that with Metal there's more people who want to earn money with it and there's probably more of a 'status' to be gained in Metal than there is in Noise... The whole 'cult' thing, for example.
I will never understand the Mentality in Metal, since there are so many Ripp Offs and the People falls for it again and again. Frenteuropa, Agonia, Zyklon B, DTM/Todesrune and lots of other Ripp Off Labels have ironicaly somekind of Good Reputations at all, besides they are Well nown Ripp Offs..Strange for me...
Quote from: Goat93 on January 30, 2012, 03:06:22 PM
Quote from: Ashmonger on January 30, 2012, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 30, 2012, 11:02:23 AM
yes, but I guess it is basically just two things:
1) more people do it for impure reasons
2) more labels out there to deal with
Yeah, I could imagine that with Metal there's more people who want to earn money with it and there's probably more of a 'status' to be gained in Metal than there is in Noise... The whole 'cult' thing, for example.
I will never understand the Mentality in Metal, since there are so many Ripp Offs and the People falls for it again and again. Frenteuropa, Agonia, Zyklon B, DTM/Todesrune and lots of other Ripp Off Labels have ironicaly somekind of Good Reputations at all, besides they are Well nown Ripp Offs..Strange for me...
I guess with some labels it's simply the fact, that they are extreme right-wing. People tend to believe, that every crappy NSBM distro is run by die hard non-commercial true believers, who would never rip people off. How wrong they are...
Username elruidopuedematar (http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/elruidopuedematar?show=Negative) on Discogs.
laresistenciaorg@gmail.com
xavier rodriguez
josep tarradellas, 20.
2a pl/2nd fl.
Barcelona, Barcelona, 08029
Spain
Owes me 40 euros only, but that's enough. No replies to emails, no tracking code for the registered parcel. Apparently I'm not the only one!
Rapeartprods ripp me off too.
Motherfucker...
Quote from: Salamanauhat on February 04, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
Username elruidopuedematar (http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/elruidopuedematar?show=Negative) on Discogs.
laresistenciaorg@gmail.com
xavier rodriguez
josep tarradellas, 20.
2a pl/2nd fl.
Barcelona, Barcelona, 08029
Spain
Owes me 40 euros only, but that's enough. No replies to emails, no tracking code for the registered parcel. Apparently I'm not the only one!
You're certainly not. Paid him for two pretty expensive vinyl sets which he claims he sent a long time ago but as you say; no tracking number when I ask for it.
A seller on Discogs named KINGFATU has sold me a copy of a tape as an original. I have paid £12.99 for "International Sound Compilation Volume 10" a 1986 cassette release by Mans Hate Production. What I have been sent is a dubbed copy on a 21st century TDK C90. Rip Off. Their paypal account is in the name of TRACEY ROYE and they are still selling Mans Hate compilation cassettes. I have alerted Discogs, but they're not interested.....
Please avoid!
Quote from: Steve on February 05, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
A seller on Discogs named KINGFATU has sold me a copy of a tape as an original. I have paid £12.99 for "International Sound Compilation Volume 10" a 1986 cassette release by Mans Hate Production. What I have been sent is a dubbed copy on a 21st century TDK C90. Rip Off. Their paypal account is in the name of TRACEY ROYE and they are still selling Mans Hate compilation cassettes. I have alerted Discogs, but they're not interested.....
Please avoid!
This is why I never buy cassettes from the '80s on discogs. I've heard one too many stories about people getting shitty 2nd generation dubs instead of the genuine article.
Quote from: Baglady on February 05, 2013, 12:57:54 AM
Quote from: Salamanauhat on February 04, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
Username elruidopuedematar (http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/elruidopuedematar?show=Negative) on Discogs.
laresistenciaorg@gmail.com
xavier rodriguez
josep tarradellas, 20.
2a pl/2nd fl.
Barcelona, Barcelona, 08029
Spain
Owes me 40 euros only, but that's enough. No replies to emails, no tracking code for the registered parcel. Apparently I'm not the only one!
You're certainly not. Paid him for two pretty expensive vinyl sets which he claims he sent a long time ago but as you say; no tracking number when I ask for it.
It turned out he also ripped 90 euro from another follower of this board...
Quote from: Salamanauhat on February 04, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
Username elruidopuedematar (http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/elruidopuedematar?show=Negative) on Discogs.
laresistenciaorg@gmail.com
xavier rodriguez
josep tarradellas, 20.
2a pl/2nd fl.
Barcelona, Barcelona, 08029
Spain
Owes me 40 euros only, but that's enough. No replies to emails, no tracking code for the registered parcel. Apparently I'm not the only one!
Looks like the same seller is selling under another account: http://www.discogs.com/seller/xavieric
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on February 05, 2013, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: Steve on February 05, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
A seller on Discogs named KINGFATU has sold me a copy of a tape as an original. I have paid £12.99 for "International Sound Compilation Volume 10" a 1986 cassette release by Mans Hate Production. What I have been sent is a dubbed copy on a 21st century TDK C90. Rip Off. Their paypal account is in the name of TRACEY ROYE and they are still selling Mans Hate compilation cassettes. I have alerted Discogs, but they're not interested.....
Please avoid!
This is why I never buy cassettes from the '80s on discogs. I've heard one too many stories about people getting shitty 2nd generation dubs instead of the genuine article.
are those fake Broken Flag-tapes still being sold? :-D .....Japan it was i think.....
Zach Guttowsky aka Burial Recordings never send me trade.
http://www.burialrecordings.blogspot.com
Absence Tapes never send me artist copies of my box and never send me huge trade package. Later that guy told me that he never made my box after 2 years of lies that it's made.
His discogs account: http://www.discogs.com/seller/MeaninglessVoid
Bane Records [Foul...] never send me my release on his label.
Pigdurt Productions never send me my 3" release on his label and some trade items. I read somewhere that his house is burned but that so long after my release.
Some Russian guy never send me trade package. Can't remember name, it was so long ago in time of myspace...
Quote from: Dr Alex on May 07, 2013, 05:44:38 PMPigdurt Productions never send me my 3" release on his label and some trade items. I read somewhere that his house is burned but that so long after my release.
His house did burn down, yes. Doubt he's out to intentionally rip people off.
A £45 order I placed with the one and only Richard Rupenus over 15 months ago has still not arrived with me, despite several assurances it was "shipping now!" (though when I questioned why he'd said it was shipping on several occasions when it hadn't arrived yet he just ignored me). Being an undoubted legend of noise is no excuse for being a fucking rip off (or
if it ever does arrive, at least dishonest), despite what several troniks morons say.
Rape Art Production rip off me too.
It took 8 months, but I still have not received the parcel from him. Also ignores all my emails.
EDIT: In the middle of resolving this
Tony Candland (Static Wall Recordings/Violent-Gay-Stripper):
Owes my artist copies from Otomo Hava / Disgorged Faeces / Antisocial Block / You Are Safe Now 4CDR and owes trades + releases from many others artists which he publish or just people who are interested to purchase some of his products.
As he ignores my e-mail for that subject and replies from others, you ignore and despise him as possible as you can.
http://staticwallrecordings.blogspot.ru/
He's now "disguised" under this profile as a minimal synth tape label owner called "Sea Of Dead Tears"
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006498230203
To all Minimal-Synth + Noise guys, you've just be warned. Beware !!!
I also had problems with this guy.
He proposes a trade to me, and wants to take part in a compilation that I set up, but never deals.
It remains a mystery.
Quote from: Otomo_Hava on September 22, 2013, 04:24:07 PM
Tony Candland (Static Wall Recordings/Violent-Gay-Stripper):
Owes my artist copies from Otomo Hava / Disgorged Faeces / Antisocial Block / You Are Safe Now 4CDR and owes trades + releases from many others artists which he publish or just people who are interested to purchase some of his products.
As he ignores my e-mail for that subject and replies from others, you ignore and despise him as possible as you can.
http://staticwallrecordings.blogspot.ru/
He's now "disguised" under this profile as a minimal synth tape label owner called "Sea Of Dead Tears"
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006498230203
To all Minimal-Synth + Noise guys, you've just be warned. Beware !!!
Discogs seller "dupont.nicolas.666" from France.
Never get my purchase.
He confesses me that he regularly change of account.
I'm the second in one month who don't receive his good...Paypal dispute open.
Heath Moerland (Fag Tapes)
Ordered a Skin Graft tape from him after a personal request which he agreed to, 4 weeks have gone by and I got 2 email replies with excuses and no tape.
Quote from: Leatherface on September 25, 2013, 12:55:23 AM
Discogs seller "dupont.nicolas.666" from France.
Never get my purchase.
He confesses me that he regularly change of account.
I'm the second in one month who don't receive his good...Paypal dispute open.
Fuck - I just ordered a couple of items from him through his (no feedback) new "Go_Vegan"-account. I cincerely hope I will get my records from him, as I have good memories of him doing the Necrophonie-mag earlier and being interested in Segerhuva.
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on September 25, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
Quote from: Leatherface on September 25, 2013, 12:55:23 AM
Discogs seller "dupont.nicolas.666" from France.
Never get my purchase.
He confesses me that he regularly change of account.
I'm the second in one month who don't receive his good...Paypal dispute open.
Fuck - I just ordered a couple of items from him through his (no feedback) new "Go_Vegan"-account. I cincerely hope I will get my records from him, as I have good memories of him doing the Necrophonie-mag earlier and being interested in Segerhuva.
I have just received huge package (like 10 records, 5 cds or so) from him (via discogs) last week. Nice communication, very fast delivery, everything as described, we even exchanged few emails after the transaction ... can't believe this. hope it's just some kind of misunderstanding ...
Still strange that this guy put off all his items for sale and already open a new account...
Personnaly a bad experience, same for another buyer on Discogs, and maybe for anothers, don't know all his accounts.
But here we talk about two complaint for a new account, and one month after he open a new one.
Happy for you if you receive your package but this attitude looks shitty ;)
"Joined August 26, 2013-
Ships From: Antarctica"???
And now he's "Go_Vegan". Boys...
well, have you read his new account's statement?
" Please take note : i am no "new seller", only changing of account every now and then (guess why...). "
maybe this is the reason:
http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/dupont.nicolas.666?show=Negative (http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/dupont.nicolas.666?show=Negative)
when I was buying from him, I payed for "registered" option and got web link + code for tracing in a day or two after my payment. and he had 0 feedback than!
I don't want necessarily to defend this seller, but he was very nice in my case and my order was quite big (eur 80,- aprox, 11 items incl. 5lp boxset with free postage as he promised), so if he wanted to be a dick, I think he would ripped off me for this amount than ... how much you payed him?
try to contact him again
edit: oh, and I remember once waiting for package from France to Slovakia for 32 days!!!
I made 229 order as seller on Discogs, more than 200 of them was send unregistered everywhere in the world (Also in Russia, Italy,...), every package arrived safely...and i've the same account from 2006.
I don't think that a negative feedback is a good reason to change your account.
Aswell, he give a negative feedback to this buyer (who paid his order!) just because he don't receive his package and that he complaint?
I don't loose my time with this kind of people.
Has i said before, happy that you get your package safely, but in your case it was difficult to ripp off you if you paid for registered shipping, more difficult to put the fault on the post ;)
everything you said make sense, and I agree, I have also close to never experienced lost package myself (riped off - yes, send out (still relative) & lost - 2/3 x in my life) ... I just wanted to share my experience.
i'm really sorry for your lost package / being riped off - both sucks!!
Amen...
Babis Kagadis/Shamanic Trance records
We had a small trade more than a year ago and though I see that his Black Leather Jesus – The Defining Love (Top/Bottom Exchange) CD has quite a lot of distributors around, I have never got any replies from him after the agreement was made so I guess reconsider if you're going to deal with him. Well, at least his name and surname sounds like a short excerpt from a drum'n'bass track.
Quote from: Levas on September 26, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
Babis Kagadis/Shamanic Trance records
We had a small trade more than a year ago and though I see that his Black Leather Jesus – The Defining Love (Top/Bottom Exchange) CD has quite a lot of distributors around, I have never got any replies from him after the agreement was made so I guess reconsider if you're going to deal with him. Well, at least his name and surname sounds like a short excerpt from a drum'n'bass track.
Hey! I was just going to post a similar story.. Traded some records 2 years ago and i'm still waiting. Changed his email address at one point but kept replying. Lots of excuses but no records.
Quote from: Levas on September 26, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
Babis Kagadis/Shamanic Trance records
We had a small trade more than a year ago and though I see that his Black Leather Jesus – The Defining Love (Top/Bottom Exchange) CD has quite a lot of distributors around, I have never got any replies from him after the agreement was made so I guess reconsider if you're going to deal with him. Well, at least his name and surname sounds like a short excerpt from a drum'n'bass track.
That guy is slow as fuck! After countless email he FINALLY sent me that BLJ cd.
And he promise me LP release but he disappeared after it. It was during mid 2011.
Yeah it might be. This is where I think the dividing line between slow and rip off is approximately one year.
Well, he still owes me some Mama Bar records. Kept sending me emails about how he was going to send out the 'diamonds'. Fuck this guy!
I think the Shamanic Trance guy is just very slow and unorganised, I've waited ages fo trades before but he always comes through.
only minor complaints , no big deal or whatever (but enough for me to swear to myself no support ever for these people again):
Retro from Poland , ordered few CDR's from him , while he was still heading the "Far From Showbizz" label , back in 2007 .... i tried to get him to send it untill 2010 , after that i basically just gave up , was only 10 EUR. anyway...
Dr.Alex / D.B.C. etc...... sent him 15 EUR. for the VOMIR 4xCDR boxset with early works , 6 months later i asked him where the damn thing was staying and i got a reply something like "they're all gone , if you want i can send you MP3's" ......well , how cool , as if was going to pay 15 EUR. for a few hands full of mp3's , duh! ... was only 15 EUR. like said , in itself not such a big deal but the disappointment can't be expressed in valuta , hence this mention here...
Quote from: superskum2013 on October 05, 2013, 06:35:20 PM
only minor complaints , no big deal or whatever (but enough for me to swear to myself no support ever for these people again):
Retro from Poland , ordered few CDR's from him , while he was still heading the "Far From Showbizz" label , back in 2007 .... i tried to get him to send it untill 2010 , after that i basically just gave up , was only 10 EUR. anyway...
Dr.Alex / D.B.C. etc...... sent him 15 EUR. for the VOMIR 4xCDR boxset with early works , 6 months later i asked him where the damn thing was staying and i got a reply something like "they're all gone , if you want i can send you MP3's" ......well , how cool , as if was going to pay 15 EUR. for a few hands full of mp3's , duh! ... was only 15 EUR. like said , in itself not such a big deal but the disappointment can't be expressed in valuta , hence this mention here...
Tell me who you are, please!
I NEVER ripped off anyone!!
Edit:
I know who you now. superskum2013 = skumrex = Doodshoofd = Tony.
Listen Tony, I NEVER get any money from you! If you want your imaginative 15 euros, I will send you as a gift. I don't give a fuck about money! Don't spread shit. Email me if you want as you never did.
Edit 2:
Facebook conversation:
Conversation started June 2, 2011
Aleksandar Nenad
6/2, 6:49pm
Aleksandar Nenad
Vomir box
Hey Tony!
I still didn't get letter with money for Vomir box. Did you send it??
Cheers!!
Alex
Tony Stirner
6/2, 6:57pm
Tony Stirner
alex , no sorry comrade , that is my bad me , i kinda "forgot" as the letter ended up in the pile of packed trades etc . that i couldn't afford to send earlier this month as i ran out of cash really early this time around.....now that the holiday savings came in earlier yestrday i immediately ran to the stores to get supplies to finish diy-productions and i worked till 7.30 AM this morning (all night thru) to finish the stuff ... today is xtian "ascension day" so all shops (inc. post office) are closed but had will send out ALL mail that is piled up here tomorrow , i know is poor excuse , i should have sent you email earlier but sometimes i'm so absent-minded and chaotic at the same time i forget quite important things
hey Alex
all is good over there ?
HERE'S FROM LAST YEAR :
2 juni 2011Aleksandar Nenad
What you think to we trade:
VOMIR/DOODSHOOFD + some DOODSHOOFD from Vomir box??
Let me know!
Cheers!!!!
Alex
2 juni 2011Tony Stirner
Alex
that , we can make it a DEAL comrade !!!!
i can really use the $$$ for all the fckn postage (ah well , you know)
will include you some of the recently released/reviewed Doodshoofd , as well as a split w. Stirner/Noia/Resonan and some unreleased stuff !!!
will send out tomorrow with the rest , so you possibly will receive the Vomir as early as Romain himself !
cheers !!!
-Tony
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SO WE AGREED AND I SENT , I EVEN SENT YOU THE TRACKING CODE..................ADMITTED I DID NOT , ups caps answer ya msg early or whatever but went from jail2parole2mental ward so not that much drive 4 answering emails really.............would have been nice to find the vomir box in my mailbox sometime but didn't happen........you prolly forgot or whatever as you seem to be very busy (which is good!) and that's why i send you this pm
all the best
cheers
-tony
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:16
Aleksandar Nenad
Hey dear Tony!
Welcome back
Got your split with Vomir so long ago.
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:21
Tony Stirner
cheers
and hope you saved me a copy of the Vomir boxette ??
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:23
Aleksandar Nenad
I send you Vomir box so long ago!
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:29
Tony Stirner
it never arrived
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:29
Aleksandar Nenad
fuck!!
I don't have any copy so long ago!
I send all packages via registered airmail
I will try to find paper for your package.
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:30
Tony Stirner
ya but ya never sent me the tracking-code
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:30
Aleksandar Nenad
but I guess I throw it so long ago
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:30
Tony Stirner
scroll to above and you'll see
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:30
Aleksandar Nenad
I never send tracking-code
cuz all my packages are arrived safely
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:31
Tony Stirner
makes it kinda hard to check/track
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:31
Aleksandar Nenad
I will search for paper
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:31
Tony Stirner
not ALL comrade
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:31
Aleksandar Nenad
if I can't find
I will make extra copy for you when I go back from Brutal Assault
Tony Stirner
27/07/2012 16:33
Tony Stirner
cheers comrade , that would be appreciated !!!
have a good one at "Brutal Assault" !
Aleksandar Nenad
27/07/2012 16:33
Aleksandar Nenad
cheers!
Hey Dr.Alex , i can send you some screencaps too if you really think or would like to continue claiming i'm talkin' bullshit , is np with me at all , cheers !
So, were is my words that I get your money and where is my mp3 offer?
You never send me money. From this conversation I sent you box in a trade for your split with Vomir.
Do you still want to call me "rip off"?
there's indeed no mention of sending 15 EUR. in the above copy/paste...
and i'm too lazy and uninterested too look further in my archives if it is or isn't there...
perhaps you are right and i am wrong on this point of the matter BUT that doesn't really change anything because sending 15 EUR. or sending stuff that's "worth" 15 EUR. for a trade basically boils down to the same thing , there's an intended exchange of services going on (your 4XCD for my 15 EUR. or your 4XCD for my crap that's worth 15 EUR. by default , else you wouldn't have agreed to trade)
so yeah , you claim you sent it registered BUT you also claim :
QuoteI never send tracking-code
cuz all my packages are arrived safely
well tbh. that doesn't make any sense at all but ok , so be it ...
also you claim to :
Quoteif I can't find
I will make extra copy for you when I go back from Brutal Assault
...well , thank the gods i din't hold my breath !
so to answer your question if i would still want to call you "rip off" , i can only say that i might have been a bit too harsh , i guess i should have started a new thread about "Bad Traders" (or digged it out in the archives if such a thread already exists).
I didn't made extra copy because your boxset was leaved my country when I check it last time.
For future issues, please contact your local post office or mental institution. We're done!
I don't want to spread drama here.
Quote from: Dr Alex on October 06, 2013, 12:22:23 PM
I didn't made extra copy because your boxset was leaved my country when I check it last time.
For future issues, please contact your local post office or mental institution. We're done!
I don't want to spread drama here.
dude , i can only contact my local post office if you send me the damn tracking number ...it seems you yourself might be better off contacting the mental institution because you clearly don't seem to know how both registered mail as well , ermh , "online debate" work , on top of perhaps a few other issues (which are really not for me to judge because , unlike you yourself , I'm not a "Dr."...)
good to hear "We're done" though , as this clearly won't bring anything , enough drama already indeed , at least one thing we agree on !
QuoteWell that escalated quickly.
Quote from: Leatherface on September 25, 2013, 10:49:54 AM
Still strange that this guy put off all his items for sale and already open a new account...
Personnaly a bad experience, same for another buyer on Discogs, and maybe for anothers, don't know all his accounts.
But here we talk about two complaint for a new account, and one month after he open a new one.
Happy for you if you receive your package but this attitude looks shitty ;)
"Joined August 26, 2013-
Ships From: Antarctica"???
And now he's "Go_Vegan". Boys...
"dupont.nicolas.666" is "go_vegan"...and now "sacha.distel.666".
Three months, three accounts
Anybody knows something about CRUCIAL BLAST label? Anything happened to them? I have sent e-mails since some weeks but they don't response.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on October 31, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Anybody knows something about CRUCIAL BLAST label? Anything happened to them? I have sent e-mails since some weeks but they don't response.
He is REALLY slow with answering on emails. I got yesterday his email with news.
He will reply during this century for sure. :)
Quote from: Dr Alex on October 31, 2013, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on October 31, 2013, 08:52:27 AM
Anybody knows something about CRUCIAL BLAST label? Anything happened to them? I have sent e-mails since some weeks but they don't response.
He is REALLY slow with answering on emails. I got yesterday his email with news.
He will reply during this century for sure. :)
Thanks Alex for answer! It is cold comfort, but ok ;)
Not a rip-off report per se but I'd strongly advise against having anything to do with Kris of Red Venice Records, the act 'To The Lovers Farewell' and the Genre x Genre shows in Cardiff. (tho his co-organiser of the latter actually seems decent so I won't entirely tar that with the same brush perhaps).
I won't go into too much of the absurd drama, (and the spark of it all is probably stuff which you guys would consider 'pc' or whatever anyway) you can look on facebook or noiseguide misc if you care.
Long story short tho he had a complete over the top meltdown when he insulted a friend of mine, I got angry and maybe overreacted; however the fallout has, I believe, vindicated me. I've had many supportive messages from friend and strangers alike who've reported other amateurish, unprofessional and childish behaviour from him. He's already had a few ridiculous blowups over minor things, and made a big show of blocking people on facebook and excommunicating them from his label. I have it on very good authority he's been rude and unprofessional at his badly organised and promoted shows, cut off sets early so he could play longer, never sent promised artist copies to people on his label, etc etc.
After all that he started emailing me asking to meet face to face in a half 'let's clear this up' apologetic, half macho 'intimidating' way, and he's no doubt right now telling everyone I was a coward who didn't dare come to cardiff to criticise him face to face. :-/ More shockingly he is overtly lying, telling everyone that he asked me to play and I demanded £300. What actually happened was I expressed some interest in playing next year and we never yet discussed the details. I would have happily played for train fare and some drinks. I am kind of insulted that he'd make up such a lowball number, that's not even the price of booking a 'real' band and NOTHING for a premadonna yuppie 'name' noise act like myself to outrageously demand haha :D
It's silly to be all 'do you know who I am!?' in the noise scene ^__^; but I did pull a bit of that. I'm no household name but if you are going to operate within the UK London/internet noise scene them maybe do a little research? He really seemed to have no idea about me, he was like 'are you even part of the noise scene'! I was playing underattended Cardiff noise shows 10 years ago, where was he then!? :)
When I initially got in touch in more friendly circumstances he asked me to play based purely on the first embedded youtube on my site, and after the drama he within minutes, in an astonishing feat of pettiness, had a 'diss track' online based purely on mocking the very first release you see on my bandcamp page! :D Seems like a pretty shallow guy to say the least right!? and his genre-hopping, free-VST-centric music just looks like a poser-ish attempt by a metal dude to get into the noise/breakcore scene without really having much idea about it but VERY willing to slag off and alienate anyone and everyone without a clue about their history.
I've mostly decided to just leave it and let him dig a hole and alienate himself even further from the noise scene. Stopped posting about this elsewhere but I thought since he probably thinks you lot will be on his 'side' due to his newly-formed edgy 'hateful' 'anti-pc' power electronics persona (a month or two ago he was presenting himself as an open-minded 'I have transgender artists on my label' kind of guy!!) and he's running out of other noise people who will put up with his nonsense I should post some warning here. I respect most of you here even those who I disagree with on politics/aesthetics, especially those of you I know personally, and am I'm sure you would have no time for this buffoon. Wouldn't want you to be subjected to the childish nonsense I have been.
Wow that was more tl;dr than I expected sorry.
Short version: Red Venice Records = massive dilettante facebook-drama baby. :D
Since I don't have a facebook, when communicating with some people in UK, I almost always ask so how is the RVR guy doing and what are the news - any new harsh sax solos or some new minimalistic wave of something or so and I always get a good stories about him and get a good laugh. I am very happy that he exists. I remember reading RVR rules where he explained why he isn't going to give any artist copies to anybody who releases via his label and why is it good. Unfortunatelly I haven't saved that rant, but it was truly interesting read of new and rising highly perspective internet label boss
Quotecut off sets early so he could play longer
gold!
Quote300£
more gold!
I've been looking for info on the dude covered in the thread on Troniks, some guy who was allegedly selling Peter Sotos material and ripped a lot of people off, or something. There was apparently a large thread on the Troniks board but I could never find it. Can anyone shed some light on him/his identity?
7s pressing. two years after sending 200$ without no answer for collaborate release with Lithuanian band
Avoid buying from Knox Mitchell + Green Records & Tapes ... An explanation will follow shortly.
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
Mitchell Rotunno / Untitled Productions
A parcel never received after a trade, which was done a few months ago, supposedly sent by registered shipping option. Avoid !
aren't we starting to attach the rip-off tag for some persons/labels etc. a little too frivolously?
Some alerts here are strongly overstated. I also ordered 4 (cheap) CDs recently on discogs from a seller in England, which never arrived. The package got obviously lost. Not necessarily a reason to accuse him. Let`s be honest, this can happen ...
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
Quote from: Levas on December 04, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
aren't we starting to attach the rip-off tag for some persons/labels etc. a little too frivolously?
I don't think so at all! If you agree to a sale/trade with another person/label and they don't send you your item(s), then they are in fact ripping you off. In the case of trades, I have done them with people all over the world and shipping things from the US to other countries costs a TON of money these days. So, if I spend $12.75 to ship a single 7" to Italy and I don't get what I traded for, I would be pissed off and call them a rip-off, too! Also, the same goes for just buying an item(s) from somebody: if you pay for it, it should be sent to you AND IN A TIMELY FUCKING MANNER! Paying for something and not getting it for months is a dick move on their part. There's a lot of good people in the underground, but it's the few scumbags that make people feel distrust and contempt for others who make good on their word.
Quote from: andy vomit on December 04, 2013, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
That's sucks!
Got email from Paul Griz+zlor today and he told me that he waited forever for that tape and after it he never receive his artist copies.
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: andy vomit on December 04, 2013, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
That's sucks!
Got email from Paul Griz+zlor today and he told me that he waited forever for that tape and after it he never receive his artist copies.
I know another artist who had a release come out 4 months ago on Enemata and is still waiting for his artist copies... if things take long, OK, but at least be honest about it and try and maintain communication.
Quote from: totalblack on December 05, 2013, 01:50:03 AM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: andy vomit on December 04, 2013, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
That's sucks!
Got email from Paul Griz+zlor today and he told me that he waited forever for that tape and after it he never receive his artist copies.
I know another artist who had a release come out 4 months ago on Enemata and is still waiting for his artist copies... if things take long, OK, but at least be honest about it and try and maintain communication.
shit, i put out a batch of tapes earlier this week and i felt really guilty waiting three
days to ship artist copies... i can't even fathom holding someones release for MONTHS... inexcusable
Quote from: Levas on December 04, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
aren't we starting to attach the rip-off tag for some persons/labels etc. a little too frivolously?
Certain individuals are way too fast to draw inaccurate conclusions I have seen in the past. It is too easy to post some derogatory shit of other individuals w nearly no chance for consequence. This is a cause for alarm. As stated above parcels get lost in the mail or at the customs. This have happened to me in the past as I am sure it have happened to others. Also, there is a chance inaccurate accusations are liable for juridical persecutions which some here haven't thought of as well. To use the individuals names / identity of another person is a questionable act in my opinion. Frankly, I have no interest in this, and in my opinion int tells more about the poster than his/her's issue w seller. Very unprofessional. Another thing is - at least all posts I have read - are directed towards sellers. I know for a fact that there are several scammers out there trying to coax people out of shipping second parcel when they have gotten the first. Let's not be naive, and understand the unsaid contract when ordering online. Sellers are not responsible for unregistered parcels or registered when sent. I'd advice all to document the shippings as best as possible to secure trust from buyers and security for own sales.
QuoteI know for a fact that there are several scammers out there trying to coax people out of shipping second parcel when they have gotten the first
Yeah, but I guess the client is always right works in here too. and you won't be able to prove that the corner of the LP was slightly bent during package travelling from you to the client and not before (because if the record was listened to once the value of it drops at least to half of the original. the same goes for the bent corners.) <-irony in case one wonders.
Quote from: online prowler on December 05, 2013, 01:58:13 AM
Quote from: Levas on December 04, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
aren't we starting to attach the rip-off tag for some persons/labels etc. a little too frivolously?
Certain individuals are way too fast to draw inaccurate conclusions I have seen in the past. It is too easy to post some derogatory shit of other individuals w nearly no chance for consequence. This is a cause for alarm. As stated above parcels get lost in the mail or at the customs. This have happened to me in the past as I am sure it have happened to others. Also, there is a chance inaccurate accusations are liable for juridical persecutions which some here haven't thought of as well. To use the individuals names / identity of another person is a questionable act in my opinion. Frankly, I have no interest in this, and in my opinion int tells more about the poster than his/her's issue w seller. Very unprofessional. Another thing is - at least all posts I have read - are directed towards sellers. I know for a fact that there are several scammers out there trying to coax people out of shipping second parcel when they have gotten the first. Let's not be naive, and understand the unsaid contract when ordering online. Sellers are not responsible for unregistered parcels or registered when sent. I'd advice all to document the shippings as best as possible to secure trust from buyers and security for own sales.
i can add some Bullshit to that, too. Send CD Packages really often and sometimes they are crashed from Shitty Postal Service. In some Countries it seems not possible to went to a Post office and Reclaime the Damages Worth there, so i hang on the Shit and can't do anything and the Money is lost. The Sender can't reclaime Damages, only the Receiver. But everytime the Sender is guilty and pay for the Shit.
Green Records & Tapes ripped me off over the Shame, Exposure tape / booklet release. I ordered and paid via paypal and then nothing for 3 weeks so I began E Mailing and got no response, just past a month and I decided to make a paypal claim as this guy was not responding ... I got my money back ($18) but with it came a string of abusive E mails from Knox Mitchell. I am a sad retard, and I shall never have a copy of this tape - which I doubt existed. Left it a few weeks and then asked a friend to buy me a copy. Guess what? 6 weeks and no response. My friend has E Mailed but had no reply so now he has to make a paypal claim to get his $18 back. I have contacted members of Hunting Lodge ( who were part of Shame, Exposure) and told them what is happening - that UK folk are being ripped trying to buy their sound. And being abused when asking for their dollar back!
Poor show from Knox Mitchell & his Green Records & Tapes. Best left alone.
Quote from: Levas on December 05, 2013, 08:42:10 AM
QuoteI know for a fact that there are several scammers out there trying to coax people out of shipping second parcel when they have gotten the first
Yeah, but I guess the client is always right works in here too. and you won't be able to prove that the corner of the LP was slightly bent during package travelling from you to the client and not before (because if the record was listened to once the value of it drops at least to half of the original. the same goes for the bent corners.) <-irony in case one wonders.
Well, you have a point Levas. Of course there have to be leverage and common sense as well. Nothing is black and white.
Reading some of the posts here we can see and understand them as worst case desperate scenarios. Last options. A lot could probably have been avoided w better communication and what not. Its too a complex affair to make general comments about. Nevertheless, I think people should think over what comments is posted and keep a bit of leverage. Jumping to conclusions doesn't serve anything. Involving artist other labels can be taking it too far as well. I imagine how it must seem to an artist to get contacted out of the blue re a situation he is oblivious to, and only in a very extended and indirect way connected to. Its an understandable last resort, but I don't know if it is a good one.
Re claim of damage, in order to have a certain validity I think its needed to open the package at the post office, preferably before witnesses - especially if its not sent w registered. At least this have been my experience in the past. Anyways, insurance should cover damages, then again one have to send it w the correct shipping option to get that - for instance registered mail. Then again the postal system is so different from country to country, so its not applicable to transfer own experience from one to anther. In general I think a lot of problems is avoided as I am sure you know is in the packaging process. If one want to go totally gestapo it is possible to document the packing w pictures. But if large amount of orders, that is pure hell. he!he! Re used items / listen to once. If so, one should be open about that and treat people w respect. Its better to give a little discount and have a happy buyer in the long run. I like doing small gestures for loyal buyers and fanatics. I am sure a lot of other are doing the same thing. Spreading good material in the end is what counts. At the end of the fiddle the issues I think are effort and trust. It have to come from both sides.
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i can add some Bullshit to that, too. Send CD Packages really often and sometimes they are crashed from Shitty Postal Service. In some Countries it seems not possible to went to a Post office and Reclaime the Damages Worth there, so i hang on the Shit and can't do anything and the Money is lost. The Sender can't reclaime Damages, only the Receiver. But everytime the Sender is guilty and pay for the Shit.
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Not sure about how this happened, but its prob not the first time for anyone. Have received CDs like that in the past. Sometimes I think the postman takes pride in crushing packages. Maybe they have competitions in the sorting dep? he!! In some countries sender can contact local postal customer service for reimbursement of damaged goods. This of course depends on how it was sent - for instance w registered mail there are more covering options than regular mail, which basically is none - or very limited. Sending CDs without cover / selling cheaper is always an option though. Customer saves a bit on shipping as well maybe.
I end with noting that buying privately from labels Unrest Productions and Hibiskofon is always a pleasure. Highly recommend!!
i send only registered, so if the Customer went to the Post office or talk to the Postman, he can of course claim the Damage. To Point the truth, its just too much Work or maybe the People need too much Intelligence for this. Its easier to get the Money from the Seller back, thanks to Paypal & Co. If i get a damaged Parcel, i can go Several Days later to the Post Office and Reclaim the Damage, fill a Damage Report and let the Sender make a Claim, too. With German Post System it is relative easy and with Lost Letters/Parcels its really easy, the Customer don't need to do anything (gladly).
I'm wondering why spend 2x much Postage for Stuff, when the Customer is too lazy/Stupid to reclaim it afterwards, since they paid it?
But it depends of the Worth, if you have a Parcel about Hundret Dollars or Euros, it looks Different, of course. But till 100 i never had Problems with German Post.
I got several Times broken Vinyls from the Post Man and last Days the Hermes Deliverer told me to open the Parcel, since he heard a Cracking inside the Parcel. Gladly there weren't anything broken, but if it were i had make a Claim directly with him.
Quote from: online prowlerSometimes I think the postman takes pride in crushing packages.
"Our package received more abuse when marked "Fragile" or "This Side Up." The carriers flipped the package more, and it registered above-average acceleration spikes during trips for which we requested careful treatment."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/tests/which-shipping-company-is-kindest-to-your-packages-2
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/tests/which-shipping-company-is-kindest-to-your-packages
Quote from: Levas on December 04, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
aren't we starting to attach the rip-off tag for some persons/labels etc. a little too frivolously?
A case can be made that there is a difference between flakes who fail to send packages and those rare ripoff artists/labels that effectively operate as organized criminal enterprises. You never know what kind of unspoken personal drama/he-said-he-said/whathaveyou may be involved in the former.
Does anybody know what happened to Vladimir Savin of ABGVRD/ROKOT label? This guy don't reply to my e-mails though he owes something to me.
He has been quite busy lately from what I understand - starting his own business, family stuff etc. waiting for some stuff from him for a few months too, but I think they'll show up
Quote from: Levas on December 08, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
He has been quite busy lately from what I understand - starting his own business, family stuff etc. waiting for some stuff from him for a few months too, but I think they'll show up
I can understand many things but to be well-mannered doesn't need to much time. At least now I know that he is alive.
He was in August
Quote from: Steve on December 05, 2013, 10:24:50 PM
Green Records & Tapes ripped me off over th...
I remember having an issue with him in the past, I ordered a 7" off discogs from him and he did not send it or return my emails until I filed a paypal claim.
Quote from: Mikerdeath on December 10, 2013, 04:47:46 AM
Quote from: Steve on December 05, 2013, 10:24:50 PM
Green Records & Tapes ripped me off over th...
I remember having an issue with him in the past, I ordered a 7" off discogs from him and he did not send it or return my emails until I filed a paypal claim.
Well, the same happened to me. I bought a pedal from him and he only sent it after I filled the paypal claim. I wasn't going to say anything because shit happens, but it seems like shit happens a lot more with some people.
I too got fuck all from Knox Mitchell and Green Tapes after ordering 2 tapes. Filed a paypal claim and got my money back. This was a couple of years back I reckon.
Reluctantly had to file a paypal claim for a second sleep order as well. Matteo has been slow sending in the past but has usually delivered. On this occasion though no communications whatsoever even when filing the paypal claim. Disappointed by this - anyone care to shed any light on his whereabouts?
Quote from: Sleep of Ages on December 11, 2013, 02:10:26 AM
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Quote from: Steve on December 05, 2013, 10:24:50 PM
Green Records & Tapes ripped me off over th...
I remember having an issue with him in the past, I ordered a 7" off discogs from him and he did not send it or return my emails until I filed a paypal claim.
Well, the same happened to me. I bought a pedal from him and he only sent it after I filled the paypal claim. I wasn't going to say anything because shit happens, but it seems like shit happens a lot more with some people.
Yep, same issue with me, I bought a pedal from him and it wasn't till I filed a paypal dispute on the 45th day that he responded to my messages.
Quote from: Levas on December 08, 2013, 12:08:44 PM
He was in August
He relaunched the Abgurd webshop about a month ago, so I suppose he still is.
Got this info from Asatru Vertrieb
The Bastard from Azermedoth Records stole us 60 CDs and send us self copies Covers and Bootlegs from CDs !!!
If you don`t believe, we can send you pictures.
Never send this Bastard your CDs frist!! We know very well that this barstard stolen also other labels many CDs. We know of at least two other German labels, which he has not sent these CDs from Azermedoth Records! Never send this Bastard your CDs frist!
AZERMEDOTH RECORDS placed us on his Ripp-Off List, because we told him that he have to send us in the next weeks our missing cds, or we will send a ripp-off warning.
He sent self-copied booklets and inlays, which are much too large and do not fit in the CD-Boxes. In addition, he sent only half of the goods from the trade. He stole more than 60 CDs of us!
Quote from: mevsocsci on December 11, 2013, 11:17:40 PM
Reluctantly had to file a paypal claim for a second sleep order as well. Matteo has been slow sending in the past but has usually delivered. On this occasion though no communications whatsoever even when filing the paypal claim. Disappointed by this - anyone care to shed any light on his whereabouts?
He replied to my email a couple of days ago, although I was merely inquiring about the availability of some releases. But I know that a friend of mine who's been waiting for his order to be shipped for quite a while got a reply from him in the beginning of the month promising to ship everything soon.
So has anyone ever been ripped off by Matteo or we will write here labels who are slow, who replied in unfriendly manner, who didn't give discount with big order etc.?
Quote from: Levas on December 23, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
So has anyone ever been ripped off by Matteo or we will write here labels who are slow, who replied in unfriendly manner, who didn't give discount with big order etc.?
What do you count as 'ripped off'?
No goods sent and no communications for over 65 days even when a paypal claim was filed. Maybe I'm alone in feeling 'ripped off', as I say, I was certainly disappointed as I've had good, if slow, dealings with Matteo in the past. On this occasion however nothing.
Which reminds me .... Anybody got their TNB Nichts Fur Niemand box yet? Yeah, ok, compared to Rupenus, I'll be lenient in my views on Matteo.
Quote from: mevsocsci on December 23, 2013, 11:19:11 PMWhich reminds me .... Anybody got their TNB Nichts Fur Niemand box yet?
Please, not again...
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 23, 2013, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: mevsocsci on December 23, 2013, 11:19:11 PMWhich reminds me .... Anybody got their TNB Nichts Fur Niemand box yet?
Please, not again...
Ha ha. Oh go on .... It is Christmas!
Quote from: andy vomit on December 04, 2013, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
This genuinely pisses me off to read.
Quote from: mevsocsci on December 23, 2013, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: Dr Alex on December 23, 2013, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: mevsocsci on December 23, 2013, 11:19:11 PMWhich reminds me .... Anybody got their TNB Nichts Fur Niemand box yet?
Please, not again...
Ha ha. Oh go on .... It is Christmas!
Also, on the
Nichts Fur Niemand release:
its OK. Yeah it is Christmas, isn't it? Given all the parties involved the release should have been much better sonically, and I know that's a lot to say, but in this case i think its applicable.
never paid anything for it in the first place, and It doesn't really matter at this point who got it and who did not.
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Quote from: Dr Alex on December 04, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rick / Enemata Productions / Infirmary
I traded with him for Griz+zlor tape that he release it. After more than six months, when I asked, he reply me with "Not yet, I don't have any money". After it, he block me on facebook and no anything after it.
This guy is an asshole! Cheap bastard that rip off for one tape!!
that's unfortunate to hear... i did a trade with EN NIHIL for his tape on enemata, and the copy i received was blank... since i was dealing with the artist and not the label, i contacted EN NIHIL and told him what was up. he talked to enemata, and not only did i get a new copy of the EN tape, he sent an INFIRMARY release as well... thought it was a nice gesture. but six months? come on..
I paid Rick over 2 months ago for a wholesale order of 8 copies of the new En Nihil tape. I've received sporadic replies promising to mail my tapes "soon", "once I have some money", "this week", but still no tapes. Very disappointing.
kind of an oldish thread, but I wanted to post about Cynicdose. I ordered a Raven/Compactor split in early November. sent several emails asking about the status of the order, never got a response. eventually started a paypal claim, still no response. I got my money back, but I wanted to post this here in case anyone was wondering about ordering from this place. it's a shame too, I would have love to have ordered some deadmoths stuff.
Rick - enemata production guy act like some other famous rip off and try to act like he is a victim beware to all people in the noise scene ALERTS
Quote from: Bleak Existence on May 30, 2014, 05:07:11 AM
Rick - enemata production guy act like some other famous rip off and try to act like he is a victim beware to all people in the noise scene ALERTS
Read previous posts about him on this and previous page.
yeah alex i confronted him and he blocked me too on facebook and deleted my release on is label that suck cause it was a very good one
Quote from: Bleak Existence on May 30, 2014, 04:59:46 PM
he...deleted my release on is label that suck cause it was a very good one
CHARMING!
Discogs seller foreverdark, total rip off. Paypal claim filed...
RIP OFF!
Real name: Jeremy Balbine
Nickname(s): Chain s wray, Jeremy Wray, Klay, Klay of the dead
Band(s): Pulsating cerebral slime, Coffin terror, Bizarre Hacking Ritual, Axeman
Adress: Lyon, France.
Email adress(es):
Link(s): https://www.facebook.com/ChainS.Wray?fref=ts
http://www.wraysworkshop.fr
Date of the trade: 2010
Keeps on promising he would send the package when something new is ready... Since then he created at least a new project, and various recordings were released on a couple of labels...
I told him that if he lacked of money, he could send me the music as mp3s and the covers in a letter, to save money... I'm still waiting...
Problem solved
Quote from: moth1334 on January 07, 2014, 03:19:46 AM
kind of an oldish thread, but I wanted to post about Cynicdose. I ordered a Raven/Compactor split in early November. sent several emails asking about the status of the order, never got a response. eventually started a paypal claim, still no response. I got my money back, but I wanted to post this here in case anyone was wondering about ordering from this place. it's a shame too, I would have love to have ordered some deadmoths stuff.
Used to talk to that dude a bunch. He went through a rough patch with being homeless/moving somewhere and having to move out. Don't know the exact situation and am not making excuses for the dude. I know someone is still waiting on a wholesale package from him that also contained artist copies of a tape from around two years.
Unless you give a name / organisation I do not know whether this guy has been doing this other folk.
Personally I'll tell the chap I was in his area and drop in to pick up package, see how he reacts ...
* Easthate
http://easthate.pl/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/easthate/profile
* Naked Lunch Records
http://nakedlunchrecords.blogspot.fr/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/AsKvltAsHellRecords/profile
Quote from: Mieczko K. on February 21, 2016, 04:15:59 PM
* Easthate
http://easthate.pl/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/easthate/profile
* Naked Lunch Records
http://nakedlunchrecords.blogspot.fr/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/AsKvltAsHellRecords/profile
Both sellers have a perfect feedback profiles, and a lot of label/distro works with Naked Lunch without problems.
I think Italian/E. Europe labels get a bad rep. I personally have had bad luck with Italian post, I think I've ordered from Italy 4 times, one package was lost and resent (thank you soundohm, that was very kind of you). I had a one lost package from second sleep, and one I ordered after showed up fast and just received a package from Italy ordered in late November from Joy. So I think a lot of it has to deal with how the package travels (boat is always slower) as well as the level of corruption (is that fair to say?) within the local municipalities. I just suggest using tracking if ordering from Italy, Poland, Greece or other CIS countries. But though a lot of labels catch heat, I think a lot over there it really isn't their fault.
Quote from: Johann on February 21, 2016, 05:21:23 PMMichigan scene
Infamous for stoners, hippies, dudes and mañana, mañana types. Probably not a rip off, just a stoner who thinks "whoa dude, relax, it's only music dude".
*takes another drag on his tenth joint of the day while contemplating the next batch of jamz he and his stoner friends will commit to tape and then falls asleep on the couch*
Quote from: Johann on February 21, 2016, 05:21:23 PM
I think Italian/E. Europe labels get a bad rep. I personally have had bad luck with Italian post, I think I've ordered from Italy 4 times, one package was lost and resent (thank you soundohm, that was very kind of you). I had a one lost package from second sleep, and one I ordered after showed up fast and just received a package from Italy ordered in late November from Joy. So I think a lot of it has to deal with how the package travels (boat is always slower) as well as the level of corruption (is that fair to say?) within the local municipalities. I just suggest using tracking if ordering from Italy, Poland, Greece or other CIS countries. But though a lot of labels catch heat, I think a lot over there it really isn't their fault.
"Regarding the Italian problem"
I got my reputation almost shattered in the 90's due to mail related malfunctions. I lost so much stuff back in the days I had to close my old tape label "Soffitta macabra" because of that and took a long hiatus. Losses were not one-direction only, naturally and I had to face also real rip offs and thieves.
During the following years I was able to hook up and sort most "debts" I had. When I got back in business a few later with Ebay I forced buyers to pay for registered mail. Italian registered mail has these two peculiarities: extremely expensive, extremely slow. Until a few years ago, there was not even priority.
You cannot pay 8 euro for a tape that costs 6 euro.
For a few years things improved, and the only problems I encountered were seasonal postmen that stole material around August, when the actual postman was on holiday. We had three in about 6 years, and they hit the big news. After that, I got an expensive private PO BOX and losses decreases dramatically, yet I spend a lot for that privilege.
In the last two years, Italian postal service got shitty again, now things are even slower (some people of this forum has witnessed this in firts-person) and extremely expensive, this is why I use only "normal" surface mail. It is going to be slow anyway, so I'd rather not waste money on the postal system. But I suggest alternatives to people who buy. Another ridicolous thing is they have now created an international registered-priority service that, hironically enough, you cannot trace the tracking number ahas. When I asked explanation they told me it is valid on the web site of the destination country, which I tried and does not work.
Then, there are definitely many Italians that fit the stereotype of slowness - I am the first to be very slow wit releases with years of wait in the making for everything I do, which is unnerving for both myself and people I collaborate, but try to be quick with orders and trades - but there are several morons that are rip-off/liars and have a "fuck you" attitude when confronted with friends defending them with the weirdest excuses. But they tend to not last long.
"The reason why I haven't listed my seller yet is because he's someone involved in at least the Michigan scene",
Ha! Probably Knox Mitchell!
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 21, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
For a few years things improved, and the only problems I encountered were seasonal postmen that stole material around August, when the actual postman was on holiday. We had three in about 6 years, and they hit the big news. After that, I got an expensive private PO BOX and losses decreases dramatically, yet I spend a lot for that privilege.
I was worrying when last summer the usual old-man postman retired and a younger one replaced him. So far no problem. From a buyer's only perspective i am more afraid of all those guys-kids who leave ads / flyers for pizza delivery etc in the boxes than any postal service. I only use registered mail if the seller recommends it cause of his side. I guess a label / distro is easier to be spotted by a thief in the postal system than a consumer would be.
Quote from: Leatherface on February 21, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: Mieczko K. on February 21, 2016, 04:15:59 PM
* Easthate
http://easthate.pl/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/easthate/profile
* Naked Lunch Records
http://nakedlunchrecords.blogspot.fr/
https://www.discogs.com/seller/AsKvltAsHellRecords/profile
Both sellers have a perfect feedback profiles, and a lot of label/distro works with Naked Lunch without problems.
Some had better luck than me I guess.
About easthate, paid for 2 tapes (just 2 damn tapes), they never arrived. Guy stopped answered be (while we were "in touch" for months, his expression...) after a while.
About Naked Lunch, we settled a trade, he received mine, but I never saw his part. He told me he will send another package and, of course, disappeared and stopped answering mail.
So what they do with others don't change the fact that these 2 have ripped me off.
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 21, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
"Regarding the Italian problem"
I
I quote myself.
One package sent via airmail to USA - 4 months.
Almost impossibile to have fast deliveries with France and the UK (recently lost two big deliveries to both country),.
Never and I say never use the Italian International registered priority, it is as slow as regular mail, it costs a lot, you cannot trace it despite tracking number and often price at the office differs from what you see on site.
I suggest if you order from Italy to use:
- ordinary mail (very slow, but at least cheap)
- registered package (pretty expensive...)
I've never heard of the "italian problem" before, and I've ordered stuff from Italy countless times. A trade pack from Angst took a detour via Hawaii once, and reached me a few months later, but that's pretty much it. I guess I shouldn't try my luck with Italy unless I have to in the future..
Quote from: theotherjohn on May 23, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
Had much luck with using courier services instead? I suppose it's only applicable/cost-effective for medium to large orders but it's still worth considering.
I work in switzerland so it is impossible for me, since I return home too late for pickup to send stuff by courier. sending/receiving in switzerland is a mess due to ridiculous taxes
and since I tend to send small orders it would be too expensive :/
I confirm (as any Italian can) that postal service here sucks balls. At least two packages I sent in the last three months were lost. Lots took ages to leave Italy. Registered mail is safe cause the package will not get lost or be tampered with, at least as long as it's in Italy (yep, they even steal packages sometimes)
Force Italia!
I know the post from Italy may be late, but haven't lost anything from there myself. Count me lucky?
Anyways.... is it possible to merge this thread w the: 'Bad Sellers / Traders' thread in section 'CLASSIFIED ADS' - or for the better visa versa as this is the oldest? A bit annoying to have both spread all over my cake. Have anyone beat me to this inquiry?
I'll just repost here and maybe that other thread can get moved to the place where threads go to die.
QuoteBeen ages since I've had a bad experience with anyone, and just wanted to report this one here.
Serge / Smrt Productions from Slovenia (analogansmrtproductions.blogspot.rs). He initiated a trade back in December and I shipped my end out middle of that month, he said he would ship his end the following week. Skip to February, no tapes yet - claims they have been sent and that he'll check tracking (which he didn't provide). Early March, no tapes, "I'll see what I can do" reply. Late March, no tapes, "I will send a second package today or tomorrow" reply. Late April, no tapes, no reply. Last week, no tapes, no reply.
Anyone in contact or have experience with him?
Quote from: absurdexposition on May 24, 2017, 04:29:05 AM
I'll just repost here and maybe that other thread can get moved to the place where threads go to die.
QuoteBeen ages since I've had a bad experience with anyone, and just wanted to report this one here.
Serge / Smrt Productions from Slovenia (analogansmrtproductions.blogspot.rs). He initiated a trade back in December and I shipped my end out middle of that month, he said he would ship his end the following week. Skip to February, no tapes yet - claims they have been sent and that he'll check tracking (which he didn't provide). Early March, no tapes, "I'll see what I can do" reply. Late March, no tapes, "I will send a second package today or tomorrow" reply. Late April, no tapes, no reply. Last week, no tapes, no reply.
Anyone in contact or have experience with him?
serge offered me a release on SMRT in late 2016, i told him i would do it but would need time, he said that was fine. fast forward to now and i'm sitting on a release that's essentially done and i cannot get in contact with this guy, despite sending him messages here and his personal email.
oh well..
Quote from: andy vomit on August 28, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: absurdexposition on May 24, 2017, 04:29:05 AM
I'll just repost here and maybe that other thread can get moved to the place where threads go to die.
QuoteBeen ages since I've had a bad experience with anyone, and just wanted to report this one here.
Serge / Smrt Productions from Slovenia (analogansmrtproductions.blogspot.rs). He initiated a trade back in December and I shipped my end out middle of that month, he said he would ship his end the following week. Skip to February, no tapes yet - claims they have been sent and that he'll check tracking (which he didn't provide). Early March, no tapes, "I'll see what I can do" reply. Late March, no tapes, "I will send a second package today or tomorrow" reply. Late April, no tapes, no reply. Last week, no tapes, no reply.
Anyone in contact or have experience with him?
serge offered me a release on SMRT in late 2016, i told him i would do it but would need time, he said that was fine. fast forward to now and i'm sitting on a release that's essentially done and i cannot get in contact with this guy, despite sending him messages here and his personal email.
oh well..
Seems to be checked out. No contact even since my last post on it here.
Alexander Konyaev - Slivko Tapes
xveganforsatanx@gmail.com
He owes me a couple of tapes since end of March. Last email from him received some time in May, he was apologising for the late due to some bad shits in his life and promised to ship the order asap. Since then, no answer, no package, nothing... I totally understand that shit happens, but I reckon I have been patient enough. So if you intend to order anything from him, be warned!
I will never understand the point to rip someone off for two measly tapes though.
about "italian problems"
i'm italian but i'm probably a rare case. never had a single problem.
The only postal service that concerns me is Russia. I find that now i always have to pay tracking to ensure it arrives, too many small orders of a couple of tapes that got lost to the ether.
I've surprisingly never had an issue with Russia. I remember there were big concerns with it 8-10 years ago, and I don't get that many orders from there, but seems to be alright.
I no longer ship to Mexico / South America, though.
Quote from: K.G on October 02, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Alexander Konyaev - Slivko Tapes
xveganforsatanx@gmail.com
He owes me a couple of tapes since end of March. Last email from him received some time in May, he was apologising for the late due to some bad shits in his life and promised to ship the order asap. Since then, no answer, no package, nothing... I totally understand that shit happens, but I reckon I have been patient enough. So if you intend to order anything from him, be warned!
I will never understand the point to rip someone off for two measly tapes though.
do have to say, have had similar problems here.been waiting from early in the year for orders.
hava accepted will likely never materialise and one of life's minor irritations. no grudge held. always friendly on facebook, but, caveat emptor.
Jose Chacaltana Aguirre
mz:g lote: 4 ;urbanizacion Miguel Grau ;San Bartolo
lima lima lima 26
Peru
Ebay account rippechaka_0
Ripped me for $75AUD on a stack of tapes.
(Edited post as issue is fully resolved.)
Quote from: davenpdx on January 05, 2018, 05:37:14 AM
I understand that life can be turbulent at times, and it's likely that Brucato is not trying to rip anyone off. However, it's sketchy that the Cathartic Process shop is still online, when Brucato seems to have problems sending out orders. A year and a half is quite a long time.
Ironic in retrospect: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=165.0 (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=165.0)
It's sketchy that it's still a thing when nearly everything about that guy's online presence seemed based on yelling at a brick wall about how shitty 'the scene' is/was. Reading back on that other thread about 'deadbeat labels' was a pure delight today. I guess it really must suck to spend 10,000 on a Bastard Noise boxset and not have everyone think you're a hero the way you hoped.
Quote from: Duncan on January 05, 2018, 08:16:45 PM
I guess it really must suck to spend 10,000 on a Bastard Noise boxset and not have everyone think you're a hero the way you hoped.
oh man, that was the funniest fucking shit ever
https://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/247144-black-lives-activist-amherst-commenting-shooting-wrote-death-threats/
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 06, 2018, 12:14:36 AM
https://ijr.com/opinion/2015/09/247144-black-lives-activist-amherst-commenting-shooting-wrote-death-threats/
I reckon Special interests forum is acting up again. This was maybe posted in 'general butthurt' and ended here? Have happened to me in the past and it is not the first time I see this w others as well. Anyways... Fun case of bias left-wing paranoia. The guy seemed too good to be true so had to prowl him online. Sweaty and delusional guy. #nolivesmatter.
Quote from: KMusselman on January 06, 2018, 02:14:24 AM
Ben Brucato = Cathartic Process
HaHa! For real?! That is bent! #nolivesmatter.
Quote from: davenpdx on January 05, 2018, 05:37:14 AM
Anyone else had difficulties ordering from Ben Brucato / Cathartic Process in recent years?
I think 3 years ago, 2015, a friend from the States was buying stuff from there for me to send them all together. I had told him to buy me some CP tapes. 2 months later we were still waiting these tapes, so he can send the parcel here. He hadn't ship them to him but he did after 1-2 emails. So at the end no really a problem except the delay.
Hope you get your stuff. Better late than never.
Hate to bring this here and this is not to call anyone "rip off"' but I have hard times getting my order from two labels and I'm out of options. It feels very weird, I never had any real issues with anyone or any label before, even in the black metal scene. Of course I will delete this message once everything is fixed!
- Wealth of Abuse (UPDATE) : got a refund.
- Unseen Force (UPDATE) : everything is now OK! UF is now distributed by Vrasubaltat, they sent my stuff very quickly.
Quote from: Force Neurotic on March 19, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
I've pretty much given up on him and his label.
Judging from his https://tictail.com/unseenforce (https://tictail.com/unseenforce) page, so has he...
Thanks for the feedback, that's a shame...
Not surprised about the Unseen Force tictail store being closed, UF stuff is distributed by Vrasubatlat (black metal label) since october 2017:
(https://puu.sh/zL30A/e76a66422d.png)
This is the facebook post I replied to, but that didn't help.
That's disconcerting and lame regarding UF, try emailing vrasubatlat@gmail.com as I think they have cleaned up a couple other trades/orders that have lapsed.
Quote from: Force Neurotic on March 19, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
Cdan, I appreciate the tip, but I think me whining to the Vrasubatlat guy about something Derrick owes and fell through on doesn't seem fair. I guess pawning off your distribution to someone else is a pretty sneaky way of avoiding those you've made personal agreements with. Honestly I don't know why some folks start these shoebox operations if they can't handle the business end.
Because labels and distros are work. Tedious work at that. It's not as fun as fellating the artists.
Quote from: Force Neurotic on March 19, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
Cdan, I appreciate the tip, but I think me whining to the Vrasubatlat guy about something Derrick owes and fell through on doesn't seem fair. I guess pawning off your distribution to someone else is a pretty sneaky way of avoiding those you've made personal agreements with. Honestly I don't know why some folks start these shoebox operations if they can't handle the business end.
Hey all,
As for dealing with the issues of Unseen Force's mailorder, please just contact us at vrasubatlat@gmail.com. For one reason or another, UF has been unable to keep up with these orders - regardless as to allocation of fault. We have all the tapes that these orders would be for which we can take care of very easily.
I can confirm that Vrasubatlat fixed everything and sent my stuff very quickly - all good now!
Still no news from Wealth Of Abuse/Gaz...
Quote from: parapluie on April 16, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
I can confirm that Vrasubatlat fixed everything and sent my stuff very quickly - all good now!
Still no news from Wealth Of Abuse/Gaz...
I have received 1 parcel from Gaz, with 1 more still to come... this for a wholesale order paid for in February 2016. Over 2 years. His last email in reply was 4 months ago. Not holding my breath.
Got a reply in april from Gaz/Wealth of Abuse saying that the package would be sent early may.
Still nothing, no news since...
EDIT : got a refund.
Achtung !
From http://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/10/esp-kinetic-1985-c15.html :
QuoteI should probably mention that this is a tape Neil sent directly to me, presumably a one off with a handmade sleeve - bits of photocopies glued to the front and the track list written in biro. Therefore if you see this tape for sale on eBay, sold by some bloke in Bulgaria mumbling something about how he recorded it off the radio, and if he's selling it for forty bucks, and if you buy it for forty bucks, then that's your tough shit. I mention this only as the fucking clown in question is flogging an old Opera for Infantry tape for about the same, having downloaded it from this blog; and I know this because when I digitised the tape, it came with no track listing so I had to listen to the thing and come up with names for the tracks based on Trev's vocal - and those same titles appear on his expensive collector's item, hopeless wanker.
If this is yourself reading this, oh eBay retailer of my downloads, get a fucking job.
About this post : https://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/03/opera-for-infantry-band-sessions-1984.html
Link to the shameless gypsy's bootleg : https://www.ebay.com/itm/OPERA-FOR-INFANTRY-Rehearsal-1984/153240580321
He has many other expensive items as well. Looking at his perfect feedback [!] , you can see Burzum, Death tapes sold for more than 100 etc. Judging by this OFI, everything is fake. That's more than enough for me to say so. Poor buyers !
I think i know his discogs name too. But since i cant be 100% sure to connect these 2 accounts between them, let it ...
Another classic Discogs' asshole.
Don't pay for registered shipping, then claim and ask tracking number.
Then Paypal complaint, reclamation, and fuck me off.
Discogs' name jerry.slide
Real name: Emmanuel Vorono
Avoid this sucker!
Issue with Torn Light/Fantastique HQ.
The initial order is from january 2018, initial delay in delivery was caused by missing parts on the special edition of the No Dreams LP, then it went unavailable, then back in stock. Communication is not that bad but the package is just never being sent despite message saying "will send it asap".
Quote from: parapluie on December 04, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Issue with Torn Light/Fantastique HQ.
The initial order is from january 2018, initial delay in delivery was caused by missing parts of the special edition of the No Dreams LP, then it went unavailable, then back in stock. Communication is not that bad but the package is just never being sent despite message saying "will send it asap".
I've had issues with Torn Light as well. Specific trade was arranged and when I got the package after delays/no communication, it didn't include what was initially agreed-upon. Finally got a message saying "Hey J., what did you end up getting?" Not really a fan of that way of doing things.
Quote from: Force Neurotic on December 04, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: parapluie on December 04, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Issue with Torn Light/Fantastique HQ.
The initial order is from january 2018, initial delay in delivery was caused by missing parts of the special edition of the No Dreams LP, then it went unavailable, then back in stock. Communication is not that bad but the package is just never being sent despite message saying "will send it asap".
I've had issues with Torn Light as well. Specific trade was arranged and when I got the package after delays/no communication, it didn't include what was initially agreed-upon. Finally got a message saying "Hey J., what did you end up getting?" Not really a fan of that way of doing things.
Had an issue last year that was eventually resolved and they've since stepped up their game. I order / trade with confidence now and haven't had any issues this year. Sorry to hear about your experiences. Alex checks this board, maybe this will get your issues resolved.
Quote from: absurdexposition on December 04, 2018, 04:28:44 PM
Quote from: Force Neurotic on December 04, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: parapluie on December 04, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Issue with Torn Light/Fantastique HQ.
The initial order is from january 2018, initial delay in delivery was caused by missing parts of the special edition of the No Dreams LP, then it went unavailable, then back in stock. Communication is not that bad but the package is just never being sent despite message saying "will send it asap".
I've had issues with Torn Light as well. Specific trade was arranged and when I got the package after delays/no communication, it didn't include what was initially agreed-upon. Finally got a message saying "Hey J., what did you end up getting?" Not really a fan of that way of doing things.
Had an issue last year that was eventually resolved and they've since stepped up their game. I order / trade with confidence now and haven't had any issues this year. Sorry to hear about your experiences. Alex checks this board, maybe this will get your issues resolved.
Got a refund from Alex this week!
Quote from: parapluie on December 08, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: absurdexposition on December 04, 2018, 04:28:44 PM
Quote from: Force Neurotic on December 04, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
Quote from: parapluie on December 04, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Issue with Torn Light/Fantastique HQ.
The initial order is from january 2018, initial delay in delivery was caused by missing parts of the special edition of the No Dreams LP, then it went unavailable, then back in stock. Communication is not that bad but the package is just never being sent despite message saying "will send it asap".
I've had issues with Torn Light as well. Specific trade was arranged and when I got the package after delays/no communication, it didn't include what was initially agreed-upon. Finally got a message saying "Hey J., what did you end up getting?" Not really a fan of that way of doing things.
Had an issue last year that was eventually resolved and they've since stepped up their game. I order / trade with confidence now and haven't had any issues this year. Sorry to hear about your experiences. Alex checks this board, maybe this will get your issues resolved.
Got a refund from Alex this week!
Yes I was very unorganized for awhile. Numerous people from this board order regularly from Fantastique. If there is ever a issue I take care of it. Thanks for your patience parapluie!
Not necessarily a rip off, but beware of Discogs user "nuncha". His name is Sergio. I don't know where he's from, but he's a complete waste of time. He has a 70% feedback rating on Discogs and wrote to see if he could order a large amount of stuff from me (I have a 90% or above feedback rating minimum). I initially told him that I would not do business with him and after some begging emails, I decided to go ahead and give him a shot. He of course ghosted after I put together his order and gave him a shipping invoice. A total of waste of time!
I dislike to post something here but Gaz (Gareth) from WEALTH OF ABUSE don't send me his part of trade and order since June 2016! I'm still awaiting any parcel or refund from him but nothing is arrived yet. No news since august month 2018 too.
Really disapointed!!!
Quote from: Antipatik on December 24, 2018, 05:16:44 PM
I dislike to post something here but Gaz (Gareth) from WEALTH OF ABUSE don't send me his part of trade and order since June 2016! I'm still awaiting any parcel or refund from him but nothing is arrived yet. No news since august month 2018 too.
Really disapointed!!!
Will sort when I'm back in England after Xmas.
Obskyr records is trying to sell for over $100 a collaboration between myself and Hjuler and Baer after ghosting us and not giving us copies. He has allegedly ripped off two other people I have spoken to as well.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on January 20, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Obskyr records is trying to sell for over $100 a collaboration between myself and Hjuler and Baer after ghosting us and not giving us copies. He has allegedly ripped off two other people I have spoken to as well.
The way that fella sets prices is interesting overall. The VOD reissue of
Changez Les Blockeurs (not the box set version) for 500€ for example. Does he expect to sell it, or is he trying to be funny?
Quote from: Baglady on January 20, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on January 20, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Obskyr records is trying to sell for over $100 a collaboration between myself and Hjuler and Baer after ghosting us and not giving us copies. He has allegedly ripped off two other people I have spoken to as well.
The way that fella sets prices is interesting overall. The VOD reissue of Changez Les Blockeurs (not the box set version) for 500€ for example. Does he expect to sell it, or is he trying to be funny?
probably has to do with this:
QuoteObskyr Records have released many LPs, 7"s, CDrs, CDs, cassette etc. over the last 3 years and the two first years was pretty good. We sold most our releases and the material costs was low, due to higher taxes, new restrictions from Swedish customs to shop abroaf and bad sales the last year have caused many delays and poor health to me, a lot of stress and mentally exhausted to try to rescue my 'baby' and my family. I now reach out to all of you to help me, my family, all artists signed to Obskyr Records andof course the label itself. We wish to continue to give the world more obscure audio documents and weirdness, but without your help... it is not possible... we cross our fingers and hope some of you can help Obskyr Records!
All who donate and wish to will be mentioned on Obskyr Records Twitter account with an official thanks and also be mentioned on upcoming title liner notes!
Oof, that's rough...Dont want to knock the fellow for his efforts but also can't understand why someone would put out such expensive and, yes, obscure stuff if they were counting on strong sales and remuneration. it's a shame it seems to have come to some shady interactions in the process. Hope that is resolved.
Quote from: totalblack on January 20, 2019, 12:33:28 PM
probably has to do with this:
QuoteObskyr Records have released many LPs, 7"s, CDrs, CDs, cassette etc. over the last 3 years and the two first years was pretty good. We sold most our releases and the material costs was low, due to higher taxes, new restrictions from Swedish customs to shop abroaf and bad sales the last year have caused many delays and poor health to me, a lot of stress and mentally exhausted to try to rescue my 'baby' and my family. I now reach out to all of you to help me, my family, all artists signed to Obskyr Records andof course the label itself. We wish to continue to give the world more obscure audio documents and weirdness, but without your help... it is not possible... we cross our fingers and hope some of you can help Obskyr Records!
All who donate and wish to will be mentioned on Obskyr Records Twitter account with an official thanks and also be mentioned on upcoming title liner notes!
Is this -too- good -to understand- humour or running a small label of limited releases caused him mental problems indeed ? Cause this text cannot be explained otherway. If so i have the solution. Simple. Save your family, quit the label !
Mentioned on Tweet, official thanks ... !!! Hard to believe this is serious, hard to believe anything of this is serious. Must be some kind of humour, which would be OK if he doesnt rip people off.
This guy was selling Blod's 3xCDR reissue for 250, i remember.
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on January 20, 2019, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on January 20, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Obskyr records is trying to be important.
Corrected.
I have a regular customer that went and contacted him. He replied promptly asking for over $100. Meanwhile he has not replied to myself or Hjuler for probably almost a year. I am not feeling terribly sympathetic, I think he's full of shit.
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on January 20, 2019, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on January 20, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Obskyr records is trying to be important.
Corrected.
Imagine spending your time LARPing The New Blockaders 30 years too late, and emulating the aesthetics and business practices of an alcoholic rip-off artist. SAD.
Re. TNB and Obskyr records selling things for insane prices:
"Imagine spending your time LARPing The New Blockaders 30 years too late, and emulating the aesthetics and business practices of an alcoholic rip-off artist. SAD."
Exactly. Imagine having THAT little to offer, it's insane, wanting to be the LARPing-fuckboy of someone like that... and that's coming from someone who made two TNB records! Sadly was too blind to see the reality of the situation at the time. Live and learn I guess...
I got a notification from Discogs the other day that one of the TNB records I did the sounds for (the split LP with VDO) being sold for £800 and £1400 respectively.I set up a notification on the 'wantlist' so I can see what kind of ridiculous prices they now go for. I just can't get my head around some of those prices. They're on Discogs now I think. I was sent one copy after over a year or two of throwing my toys out of the pram, which I don't deny by any means, and then sold for a comparatively reasonable price of about £100 or slightly less? Can't remember exactly, but compared to what they were changing hands for at the time whatever I sold it for was far cheaper.
What frustrates me with seeing these prices now is that I remember clearly at the time the guy who released the TNB / VDO record (correct me if i'm wrong, but the German guy who is currently selling that LP on Discogs now? Daniel isn't it?) telling me I had 'a bad attitude for a newcomer' for behaving in such a way towards him when I wasn't sent a copy of the records I made myself.
A bad attitude!? Really?!
I wish I had more of those stickers I thereafter stuck to any TNB LP I sold, the one of the obese bloke with his vestigial penis dribbling piss in the street. That was the best thing TNB put their name to.Whoever made those I don't know but I owe them a pint! ;)
Also got sent a link recently showing that The New Movement guy had set up some kind of GoFundMe page? I think he's trying to become the CEO of Shekel Shakers Inc. ?
I see a pot calling a kettle black.
This funny boy sent me a GoFund link time ago, something like "save my label from bankrupt".
https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m (https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m)
Quote from: Leatherface on January 24, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
This funny boy sent me a GoFund link time ago, something like "save my label from bankrupt".
https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m (https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m)
Would love to see what this guy would do with 10,000 euros
Quote from: Leatherface on January 24, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
This funny boy sent me a GoFund link time ago, something like "save my label from bankrupt".
https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m (https://www.gofundme.com/save-obskyr-records&rcid=r01-153365940829-419bc9fcd2274653&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_m)
That guy selling his releases for insane prices and made re-re-re-re-re artist/special/unique/one-of-a-kind edition of own and TNB releases. Obliviously he needs money but who is stupid to pay him for nothing.
Quote from: Theodore on November 13, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Achtung !
From http://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/10/esp-kinetic-1985-c15.html :
QuoteI should probably mention that this is a tape Neil sent directly to me, presumably a one off with a handmade sleeve - bits of photocopies glued to the front and the track list written in biro. Therefore if you see this tape for sale on eBay, sold by some bloke in Bulgaria mumbling something about how he recorded it off the radio, and if he's selling it for forty bucks, and if you buy it for forty bucks, then that's your tough shit. I mention this only as the fucking clown in question is flogging an old Opera for Infantry tape for about the same, having downloaded it from this blog; and I know this because when I digitised the tape, it came with no track listing so I had to listen to the thing and come up with names for the tracks based on Trev's vocal - and those same titles appear on his expensive collector's item, hopeless wanker.
If this is yourself reading this, oh eBay retailer of my downloads, get a fucking job.
About this post : https://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/03/opera-for-infantry-band-sessions-1984.html
Link to the shameless gypsy's bootleg : https://www.ebay.com/itm/OPERA-FOR-INFANTRY-Rehearsal-1984/153240580321
He has many other expensive items as well. Looking at his perfect feedback [!] , you can see Burzum, Death tapes sold for more than 100 etc. Judging by this OFI, everything is fake. That's more than enough for me to say so. Poor buyers !
I think i know his discogs name too. But since i cant be 100% sure to connect these 2 accounts between them, let it ...
Its back....
https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/969223653
Quote from: 2pf cell on July 10, 2019, 05:34:03 PM
Its back....
https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/969223653
https://www.discogs.com/seller/DarkYota/profile
https://www.facebook.com/alessandro.marchettini?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARBrK3BpFSsOlnLbSIQU2gdefNZco4JQzdCqRHpze2jY_elRhkFjQ3M6FzJHS4B-z4XFHfVwL15ZQuhH&hc_ref=ARSCKR7g9Veq2yyufK1-KWkVParMM4EahbN9EbUBTXPdioJVS9VXCLKTRKrOk8Cyjwc&fref=nf
Reported to discogs.
Also I wanted to express concern here that Luke Holland (Trapdoor Tapes, Australia) has apparently sold a bunch of bootlegs of Agonal Lust, Die Kombination & others via Discogs for inflated prices.
I understand the dynamic of bootlegs being produced if demands are not met through re-issues by the label but guys don't pay 40 bucks for a (bad copy of a) tape that was released two or three years ago; rather contact the label or distributers for possible re-issues. I know it's hard for some people to finance their drug habits not having a real job but that's not an excuse to steal music.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on July 10, 2019, 07:24:04 PM
I know it's hard for some people to finance their drug habits not having a real job but that's not an excuse to steal music.
haaaaaaahaha
RE: OFI - Yes, that's exactly the same fake tape. About the seller cant tell if he is the same person or just the guy who bought it from EBay. Dont even know if it was sold at all. - He was shipping from Bulgaria, this one is in Italy. And it's not the account i had connected with Ebay one, as being the same guy. - Dont know ...
Hi to everyone.
My name is Alessandro Marchettini, I'm from Italy, Rome.
I've registred to this forum just because a friend of mine informed me that someone is assuming that I'm a bootleg seller and that I'm in link with a suspected bulgerian guy that I don't know.
I just would like to inform you all that I'm a trusted and professional seller on discogs, but first of all I'm a collector and I can't accept that my name could be linked to such a shameful action as the resell of homemade bootlegs.
I'm constantly in trade with A LOT of collectors around the world and recently I got some tapes that in a second time I discovered to be bootlegs, but I can't say who made them, probably this bulgerian guy.
As soon as I was sure about that, I removed them from the sale.
So, please, stop to insert my name to this kind of activity, I'm a victim of these unofficial stuff as well.
... and for last, remember that Grey Wolves themself bootleged a lot of records and sold them!
Quote from: DarkYota on July 16, 2019, 12:17:07 PM
... and for last, remember that Grey Wolves themself bootleged a lot of records and sold them!
I believe this was pretty much standard practice in past. Labels such as Nihilistic Recordings had couple pages long list of industrial/pe tapes. They were indicated as "bootlegs", and traded / sold for moderate prices. Several labels seem to have duplicated other labels catalogues.
Many artists seemed to dublicate more copies of compilations they appeared etc. If you get some old tape, it may be not be 1st generation copy. It may be authorized, or it may be not. In some cases it will be impossible to say whether title is "bootleg" or just distributed in
old school way. This may have resulted sound and cover quality vary greatly, even if it would be perfectly
official. Just not the 1st generation copy straight from the original label.
That, is certainly different from people who flip the dubs for big profits. I'd rather see tape traders & industrial noise fanatics made dubs to eachother, than make them as means to profit.
Note:
People can edit their messages & clean up the accusations if they feel DarkYota is telling the truth.
Me, and i guess many other, wouldnt have problem to pay for a bootleg dub of many rare / disappeared / extremely pricey old tapes. Given they are done on proper deck-s from a legit copy, from a trust-worthy seller -not to take the money and run- , and knowing i am buying a bootleg. Even if they were made for profit. That's a honest transaction between buyer-seller. Between seller-artist not. Between buyer-artist ? That's discussable ...
Downloading MP3s from the WEB, record them on an old tape, creating old-like artwork, and selling them as original, that is the definition of fraud.
I dont think accusations made for DarkYota other than the fact this known fake tape came up for sale again, me commenting we dont know he is the same guy and probably he isnt based on locations. He appeared, explained, removed them, all good. Me, it doesnt seem, I dont believe he is the scammer who made it. If he knew he was selling bootlegs ? Noone cant tell except him and the people who know him. Has no meaning or value to speculate.
Edited my initial post and removed naming details
Thanks for understending.
As FreakAnimal wrote, it's not so easy to understand when a tape is a bootleg or not, specially when you can't do a comparision with an original one. I don't know if all Opera For Infantry tapes have been inserted on Discogs, I thought that mine was something truly rare, so I uploaded it by myself, untill I was informed it comes from a blog and I removed it immediately.
As I wrote before, I'm a serious collector, I payed THOUSAND of € for tapes, vinyls and cds, I moved half Europe to see concerts and probably some of you saw me around along these last years, I would never support this kind of business.
I love to support bands buying their official release, as I always did and will continue to do.
PS: if some of you have some records to sell, feel free to write me :D
I have received my artist copies from Obskyr label recently. I can edit my previous posts, but there are replies to them, so it would be pointless.
Reading through this it's just kind of appalling as to how many dumb label names there has been over the years. All the more reason for me to never release anything again, and to be discovered after death as the next Henry Darger by some local art loser. Except that this sounds just as dumb, and I'd probably rather just see my shit off to the dumpster before I go. This way, if there is a spirit domain after death I won't have to hear the shit, and I can just sleep forever.
Also: Drug addicts that are extremely poor shouldn't run labels. The only person you are hustlin' is yourself with those addictions my guy. Just pirate some I-doser instead, and make noise your drug of choice ;) !
AVOID seller rundownsun in discogs. He is selling various over-priced noise. I recently bought a cassette from him, Prurient The Golden Chamber, which was sold as 'mint, never played', but it came chewed and damaged on side B. Seller was dismissive and aloof when confronted boardering to rude. No response after video documention with sound and photos of case sent. The video has however been downloaded. Seller also admitted in email to having played the tape previously, so all his discogs item descriptions are not to be trusted. Case sent to paypal for refund. No recommendation, better to avoid. Case solved. Refund via paypal.
Quote from: whiteheatnoise on November 03, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
It saddens me to write this, but here we go; Rodger Stella owes me $250 worth of cassette tapes from an order placed a year ago. For a few years prior to this, we had several great transactions together without any problems. However, almost a year ago I had placed a wholesale order for about $500 worth of Macronympha and Mother Savage cassette reissues. It took awhile and several emails/texts, but I eventually received half of the order. You can draw your own conclusions as far as why this happened, but I also know for a fact that some other people have experienced the same problem.
I don't think he's been making any posts lately trying to sell any tapes, but I figured it would be best to make this post in order to make others aware in case they try to do business with him. Also, I will gladly edit this post and make an update if things ever get rectified.
This is really sad to hear, I ordered over 50 tapes from when he was first reissuing all the Macro and MSNP stuff. Was always super nice and prompt and I never had any issues. Hopefully he is doing OK personally and I hope you get the cassettes you are owed.
I know he said they were all limited to 30 back then but I think he is just dubbing them on demand. Keep us updated if the situation changes, there still some older reissues I wanted to grab.
Quote from: whiteheatnoise on November 03, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
It saddens me to write this, but here we go; Rodger Stella owes me $250 worth of cassette tapes from an order placed a year ago. For a few years prior to this, we had several great transactions together without any problems. However, almost a year ago I had placed a wholesale order for about $500 worth of Macronympha and Mother Savage cassette reissues. It took awhile and several emails/texts, but I eventually received half of the order. You can draw your own conclusions as far as why this happened, but I also know for a fact that some other people have experienced the same problem.
I don't think he's been making any posts lately trying to sell any tapes, but I figured it would be best to make this post in order to make others aware in case they try to do business with him. Also, I will gladly edit this post and make an update if things ever get rectified.
I have dealt with Rodger multiple times over the last years for the Where frost reign distro. He has always been cordial and trustworthy. Never once have there been any issues. Orders might sometime have taken a month to process, but that is expected when all is hand assembled and running a one man operation. I can vouch for Stella. Would do business with him again gladly.
Quote from: whiteheatnoise on November 06, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
As I said earlier in the post, I had done several successful transactions with him in the past without any problems. In fact, I know Rodger personally and think that he is pretty stand-up guy aside from this whole ordeal. But, after waiting a year for $250 worth of stock, in addition to straight up being lied to about tapes being on their way to me, I feel that my post was warranted. Furthermore, as I also mentioned in the first post, I will edit my comments as soon as the situation is rectified. Just trying to give others a heads up to avoid the situation I'm currently in. When was the last time you have placed a wholesale order with him if I may ask?
I am writing my experiences with Stella and judging from that I think it was okay to have another perspective as you cautioned others to interact with him. Other than that my intention is not to diminish your claim. I did business with Rodger not long ago.
Quote from: online prowler on November 04, 2019, 09:10:23 PM
AVOID seller rundownsun in discogs. He is selling various over-priced noise. I recently bought a cassette from him, Prurient The Golden Chamber, which was sold as 'mint, never played', but it came chewed and damaged on side B. Seller was dismissive and aloof when confronted boardering to rude. No response after video documention with sound and photos of case sent. The video has however been downloaded. Seller also admitted in email to having played the tape previously, so all his discogs item descriptions are not to be trusted. Case sent to paypal for refund. No recommendation, better to avoid. Case solved. Refund via paypal.
Just want to chime in here as I've had nothing but good interactions and experiences with both of you, and Josh reached out to me recently regarding this- he said that the release WAS unplayed, but you requested a play test before shipment, in which there was no issues with the cassette. This was the only time he played the tape. He said that he initially asked what you wanted to do and offered a refund with return of the tape, and then didn't hear back from you until a month later when the paypal dispute was opened. He also said that you asked him to pay for blank tapes and for the purchase of the FLAC files, since you had recorded your own dub of the tape, opened the two shells, and inserted that into the original tape shell. I've known Josh for more than 10 years and his projects and label were great Canadian HN when he was active in the mid '00s. I know others who have purchased from him recently without any problems and with items in perfect described condition. I can't see any reason that he would lie about this situation.
Quote from: totalblack on November 08, 2019, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: online prowler on November 04, 2019, 09:10:23 PM
AVOID seller rundownsun in discogs. He is selling various over-priced noise. I recently bought a cassette from him, Prurient The Golden Chamber, which was sold as 'mint, never played', but it came chewed and damaged on side B. Seller was dismissive and aloof when confronted boardering to rude. No response after video documention with sound and photos of case sent. The video has however been downloaded. Seller also admitted in email to having played the tape previously, so all his discogs item descriptions are not to be trusted. Case sent to paypal for refund. No recommendation, better to avoid. Case solved. Refund via paypal.
Just want to chime in here as I've had nothing but good interactions and experiences with both of you, and Josh reached out to me recently regarding this- he said that the release WAS unplayed, but you requested a play test before shipment, in which there was no issues with the cassette. This was the only time he played the tape. He said that he initially asked what you wanted to do and offered a refund with return of the tape, and then didn't hear back from you until a month later when the paypal dispute was opened. He also said that you asked him to pay for blank tapes and for the purchase of the FLAC files, since you had recorded your own dub of the tape, opened the two shells, and inserted that into the original tape shell. I've known Josh for more than 10 years and his projects and label were great Canadian HN when he was active in the mid '00s. I know others who have purchased from him recently without any problems and with items in perfect described condition. I can't see any reason that he would lie about this situation.
Brett, you don't seem to have all the facts re the transaction and my contact with seller. I won't go into detail about this with other than seller and consider this a closed case as I was offered a partial refund. I remain firm in my position. You are entiled to voice a comment here.
Fuck - I don't know who to believe now :/
Ah well, another dash of bad luck with labels. This one has never sent me copies of a release of mine, for over a year and a half now. He still buys plenty on bandcamp, though. SAD. http://www.novaalternativa.cz/label.html
I don't understand these deadbeat labels. If you're a shyster, your work is garbage to me, immediately. I don't know how you all forgive liars and thieves who clearly are only starved for attention.
Quote from: Theodore on November 13, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Achtung !
From http://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/10/esp-kinetic-1985-c15.html :
QuoteI should probably mention that this is a tape Neil sent directly to me, presumably a one off with a handmade sleeve - bits of photocopies glued to the front and the track list written in biro. Therefore if you see this tape for sale on eBay, sold by some bloke in Bulgaria mumbling something about how he recorded it off the radio, and if he's selling it for forty bucks, and if you buy it for forty bucks, then that's your tough shit. I mention this only as the fucking clown in question is flogging an old Opera for Infantry tape for about the same, having downloaded it from this blog; and I know this because when I digitised the tape, it came with no track listing so I had to listen to the thing and come up with names for the tracks based on Trev's vocal - and those same titles appear on his expensive collector's item, hopeless wanker.
If this is yourself reading this, oh eBay retailer of my downloads, get a fucking job.
About this post : https://noisewinkle.blogspot.com/2018/03/opera-for-infantry-band-sessions-1984.html
Link to the shameless gypsy's bootleg : https://www.ebay.com/itm/OPERA-FOR-INFANTRY-Rehearsal-1984/153240580321
He has many other expensive items as well. Looking at his perfect feedback [!] , you can see Burzum, Death tapes sold for more than 100 etc. Judging by this OFI, everything is fake. That's more than enough for me to say so. Poor buyers !
I think i know his discogs name too. But since i cant be 100% sure to connect these 2 accounts between them, let it ...
I was thinking if i should post this or not, since i have no solid proof he is the same guy -Paypal address etc.- , but i bet all-in he is, so that's the name i didnt tell then, and he is back on action. -Though this probably should be posted at a metal forum, i am not in any.- Better be careful : https://www.discogs.com/seller/Teotat/profile
Another account [?] : https://www.discogs.com/user/Teota
Same / a friend [?] , whatever this account adds in database, dear Teotat jumps in to sell it : https://www.discogs.com/user/uvrpk
His perfect feedback kills me ! - You might say now at least he declares they are unofficial. Well, download MP3 files from internet and make a copy yourself, if that's what you want. Cause that exactly you will probably get as his "unofficial" !
STELLA UPDATE!!!!
After waiting for about two years, I finally received the tapes I ordered. It seems like Rodger is back in the swing of things and selling and producing tapes normally again.
I want to know if Cathartic Process has taken care of the label orders that have been mentioned here or elsewhere as not being fulfilled or refunded for more than a year. I remember seeing some other complaints here, but can't find them. I also remember some complaints on the Maniacs Only board before it folded.
EDIT: I've received confirmation privately that Cathartic Process is still being a deadbeat label. For the record.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on December 14, 2020, 05:51:58 AM
I want to know if Cathartic Process has taken care of the label orders that have been mentioned here or elsewhere as not being fulfilled or refunded for more than a year.
Can't speak for anyone else, but happy to say that the issue I posted about is now fully resolved.
sometime you need to expose them so they move their ass
The lady here : https://www.discogs.com/user/KAT17cath , Catherine Cammas. - I made an offer, we arranged to do it outside Discogs, i bought Necronomicon 2 for 40EUR total. It came. Original, complete. BUT on first play of European tape, first 2 seconds after hitting play, i discovered the leadin tape was unglued / broken from the magnetic tape. It couldnt be moved / played. Plus, magnetic tape has stayed inside the shell. Shell has no screws. I have no access to resplice it unless i break the shell. - Told her, and i asked for -a very friendly- 10EUR refund [i wouldnt buy at all if i knew for this problem, and it's the European tape i care most of in this release] or if she pays the shipping back to return them for a full refund. She asked for photos. I send her. She disappeared for 2-3 weeks. I opened Paypal dispute / claim asking 17EUR refund, she appears telling me that she was at the hospital [hm, yeah, let me pretend i believe it. Anyway ...] and she doesnt see any problem at the photos !! That's a photo she doesnt see any problem in :
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV0hH_deK4Pbda_QUe3Po7ZQKAZISbskdYcgvp8PKa6-ltS9XPDVdMvzZyR7j5DOd8AqLBpVj9vjtpzMEvTf7pQfAVscszeEFMe_gv0j9mLhrsKbVbSsFrt692XQQ-KhBTsexU4u7zgyZ1bh0g4Qs6o=w820-h615-no?authuser=0)
Through Paypal she proposed full refund after a return. And Paypal asked me tracking code of my return. I asked Paypal in that form who pays the shipping back, if i will get a refund for this as well ? 11,5EUR . No answer. I didnt send. Deadline expired after a few days. I lost the case. Fuck you Paypal. That was my first time i used your so-called 'Buyer protection" ever. I got nothing. Not even communication to my questions, and they dont even allow feedback !!
As for the lady. She admitted that she has listened / checked the tape [she was selling it as Mint BTW] and it was OK. I am sure it was. But after she listened a while , she obviously re-wind it [photo below] and that's when the joint broke. - I dont believe she knew it, neither that she wont send your stuff, and yes she has good stuff. But if any problem appears, then you will regret your purchase from her. Not recommended. That was my experience. You are warned.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVLoc_PRcSMsRk8e8zVUVrD3rMOkxIHHlb0UHLw0UnRtoBErhK69GLkCERfBpd7mD4FnyOP8BI0-nuSiLhYWqIYM1aS-nBkg3zkeADstlEbVb4-F1FqP3ZRXPSn-8t3Vaprmod5t6pWvJ8f7_oev7AO=w820-h615-no?authuser=0)
For 10EUR sake she made a 'friend' . - And probably lost more, cause sooner or later i would bought again from her. If ... - OK. Enjoy them. I move on ...
PS: Anyone a tip if there is a way to open / reclose that shell without breaking it ? Is it possible ?
Do you hear a rattling sound when you shake the cassette? as if there are small pieces of plastic trapped in the shell? if so then it is most likely that part of the supply or take up reel has broken. To be honest it is quite possible that you just got unlucky and it did in fact break in your machine. It's simply an increasingly common occurrence with cheap cassettes of a certain age as the components inside wear. Unfortunately this shell will be glued or heat sealed so there is really no way to get it open without breaking it somehow.
No, nothing seems broken inside, no sound of broken plastic loose in the shell. Just the joint broke / unglued. It didnt happen on my deck. I mean the original break. If it was in that condition to break via playing then it would had broken when she played it to test it, recently before she put it up for sale i guess. It broke or [thinking of it now] became almost, ready to break with a touch [if it had broken totally then, the RW wouldnt stop. Though i cant know what happened and she doesnt tell me, and anyway i wouldnt believe anything she tells now] when the rewind stopped, by that tension applied for a second till the machine disengage the reel motor. It's obvious from the more solid colour of the tape through the cassette 'window' that it has been rewinded. My play just revealed the problem.
It had happened to me once to break a joint via FF till the end. Luckily that tape had screws and i easily was able to resplice it. So guys, better avoid to RW/FF old tapes and please use screwed cassettes for your releases, heh.
I can break the shell with a vice. I think it's the only way to not damage the tape inside. I have done it once before. But i am trying to avoid this, if it's possible. Feel bad to destroy the 'completeness' of this piece of history.
Quote from: whiteheatnoise on December 05, 2020, 11:37:58 PM
STELLA UPDATE!!!!
After waiting for about two years, I finally received the tapes I ordered. It seems like Rodger is back in the swing of things and selling and producing tapes normally again.
See this is long done, but good to hear. I never had any doubt. Cheers
PAIN CHAIN
Had a solid discussion with this person about her fwd'ing some of my label's 7"s on to another country. This person consented to being a middleman and provided a mailing address. Then after I had sent the package, she started playing dumb as in "I don't know who you are". No joke. So this person has approx. $100 worth of my label's 7"s that she is selling for profit. So arrogant!
Tannen Records / Italy
made a 2xLP version of this live recording from Zu:
https://www.discogs.com/master/959908-Zu-Live-In-Helsinki
i never received a maker's copy, and doesn't answer to emails. bandmember massimo + the other label involved (wallace) replied, but both to the same tone of "we didnt receive any copies from the label either" ... and some additional whining.
so i say: send me some records, cos without my work this wouldnt even exist.
to everyone else: avoid!
(not directly noise related, but rip off anyway)
Tom Tindall from Aqua-Eroticum
2-3 tapes I can't really remember; I sent him around 2019, and then he just avoided me, and started telling me about his problems and no job, no money and the usual shit, at the end he just blocked me.
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in tbe scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
Quote from: P-K on December 30, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in tbe scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
Two unhappy "customers" in Finland as well. Old habits etc...
Yeah Kristian, check the link below and we can arrange a new deal.
https://youtu.be/9PeQc1ZVWCQ
Same here, past orders were perfect, even including a large one, but in the last couple of years I didn't manage to receive anything either from Kristian/Styggelse unfortunately. A few times I managed to get communication, saying he would resend the stuff because he has a lot of issues with lost packages but then nothing, even if I offer to pay for registered shipping. Same for tapes ordered on the Styggelse bandcamp page this year
Quote from: P-K on December 30, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in tbe scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
You are not alone, ordered on Bandcamp from Styggelse 1 tape in August, later in November 6 more tapes. Received nothing so far, even no shipping notification
Ha, yeah - I ordered a shirt a year and a half ago at this point and have heard nothing at all after reaching out a few times.
Quote from: Jone on December 30, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
Yeah Kristian, check the link below and we can arrange a new deal.
When you have great patience and can wait 56 years, a year or two is a piece of cake. Keep your head up.
So what's happening here. I am also waiting on that tape batch Styggelse released in November. I don't mind it taking 2-3 months since it's quite a few tapes, however it had not been communicated that the tapes are not ready to be sold. Have had no response on a mail inquiry. Judging by the comments here it has happened with other recent Styggelse releases? According to discogs ownership the releases from 2019 onward have only been circulating in very low numbers. Which is a shame really since the material on Styggelse has always been exciting both sound wise and aesthetically. Hope it gets sorted out and mailed sometimes soon.
Considering the situation the selling points of the "Piller Thriller" comp on the bc page do seem quite ironic...
Quote from: pidgeons on January 02, 2022, 04:08:31 PM
Hope it gets sorted out and mailed sometimes soon.
Based on my experience i am confident you will get your stuff. When ? That's a good question. - I have lost communication the last 1,5 year or so. He didnt reply the couple emails i sent him [and i dont like to bother people continiously] . For clarification, these emails were about me sending him an old tape we had discussed about. - Previous to this, we had discussed for the Treriksroset Hatband tape and some other Styggelse material. He disappeared, and i dont like to bother people a lot, as i said. Three months later a letter arrived from him, Treriksroset and Styggelse tapes in it. I hadnt even paid for them. And when i thanked him, and we had a few email exchanges after, he 'ignored' my repeated mentions about a Paypal email so i can send him money. Ofcource, i found a way to thank him properly, i think.
I understand your frustration. Noone should recieve money if he cant ship stuff in reasonable time for whatever reason. It's a bad practice, causing misunderstandings and bad feelings / relations. Though i believe you will eventually get your stuff. Soon enough ? That's unknown.
Too many projects, collaborations, zine stuff, customers, pen pals, confusion, distractions + constant struggle for money, serious private stuff, eternal Grey Wolves tape hunt etc. - I'm still quite sure Kristian is that smart, sensitive guy with a good heart who has to improve his time/priorities management when dealing with dozens (hundreds?) of actual people. (me thinking positively after waiting more than a year for his part of an extensive tapes/zines fun-trade; maybe right now he's having a sip, just laughing about those whiny idiots-complaints while - wearing some strange mask - getting a hard-on)
Quote from: accidental on January 02, 2022, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: Jone on December 30, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
Yeah Kristian, check the link below and we can arrange a new deal.
When you have great patience and can wait 56 years, a year or two is a piece of cake. Keep your head up.
Oh yeah? Fuck off i'm not interested when you got laid last time.
Bought over a year ago stuff from Kristian but can wait.
Any advice?
I ordered an LP and merch item halfway through March through Bandcamp. Three weeks after it was supposed to have shipped yet no notification came, so I sent a message through BC but no reply came. Another two weeks I approached the label via private message here but again no response. Another week later I sent an email to their account on Discogs and again no reply but a week from then a parcel suddenly arrived with the LP and my merch... or well, nope. It had the LP and a merch item but not the merch item I had bought. Since the Discogs message seemed to have worked despite the absence of a reply I sent a message again to inquire about the merch item and see if it could be exchanged. However, it has been two weeks again and no reply, no parcel, no nothing.
What to do?
Annoying situation.
If the merch item wasn't very expensive or if you can sell it to someone else, I'd just forget about it but make sure never to order from the same artist/label again (and I might mention their name in private discussion if the matter came up). If it was expensive or if it's a matter of principle, I guess I'd file a paypal claim. That is if you paid with paypal. And if it isn't too late. I've no idea how long you can make the claim after the payment. You certainly have given them enough time to respond.
I'm of course not telling you what to do, just saying what I'd do in your shoes.
Quote from: P A N I C on June 02, 2022, 08:47:50 PM
Any advice?
I ordered an LP and merch item halfway through March through Bandcamp. Three weeks after it was supposed to have shipped yet no notification came, so I sent a message through BC but no reply came. Another two weeks I approached the label via private message here but again no response. Another week later I sent an email to their account on Discogs and again no reply but a week from then a parcel suddenly arrived with the LP and my merch... or well, nope. It had the LP and a merch item but not the merch item I had bought. Since the Discogs message seemed to have worked despite the absence of a reply I sent a message again to inquire about the merch item and see if it could be exchanged. However, it has been two weeks again and no reply, no parcel, no nothing.
What to do?
This inquiry should maybe not be shared in this thread? Seems like you are seeking advice on how to handle that situation?
General note: Two options. File Paypal claim for refund or wait. If you know the individual option 2 is recommended. Patience as you can see in this thread is at times key, but of course not the the extent that one feels being taken advantage of in friendship or partnership. If you don't know seller I would recommend filing a claim. Seems to me you have done your part. Hope it works out.
Quote from: P-K on December 30, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in the scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
over a year now :
nothing but promisses, no tapes, doesn't even read messages. Total scam.
Quote from: P-K on November 14, 2022, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: P-K on December 30, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in the scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
He seems to be really active with his revived label Skuggsidan, maybe try mailing him at his Skuggsidan e-mail account?
Quote from: W.K. on November 16, 2022, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: P-K on November 14, 2022, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: P-K on December 30, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
KRISTIAN OLSSON
been waiting for 2 tapes since march 2021
Never mailed out, releases new stuff, dubs tapes to sell at gigs but fails to mail them to people that are waiting for months.
May be a big name in the scene, but stealing is stealing.
i don t think i am alone in this ......
He seems to be really active with his revived label Skuggsidan, maybe try mailing him at his Skuggsidan e-mail account?
Skuggsidan is not run by Kristian Olsson.
I am posting this in a behalf of FILTH&VIOLENCE as they don't have an account here.
MALIGNANT (USA) 240e for FV wholesale order. 2-3 years old deal. All previous orders during years have been taking care of as promised. Now, zero communication. Not a huge amount of money, but still a rip-off.
I have had a quite a few similar cases like Malignant, when mentioned to them that I am about to make situation public they handled their debts. Good, but sad state of affairs that things needed to go that far.
Quote from: Black Psychosis on August 20, 2023, 12:33:27 PMI am posting this in a behalf of FILTH&VIOLENCE as they don't have an account here.
MALIGNANT (USA) 240e for FV wholesale order. 2-3 years old deal. All previous orders during years have been taking care of as promised. Now, zero communication. Not a huge amount of money, but still a rip-off.
I have had a quite a few similar cases like Malignant, when mentioned to them that I am about to make situation public they handled their debts. Good, but sad state of affairs that things needed to go that far.
Wasn't it a few years ago he has going to close everything down?
Still, shame to hear this