Special Interest

GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION => GENERAL SOUND DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Niko on December 18, 2011, 08:38:37 PM

Title: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Niko on December 18, 2011, 08:38:37 PM
After watching a video of Vagina Dentata Organ live perfomance(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaaFO_YBFM). It got me thinking, that there isn't a lot of experimental or industrial related music that utilizes animal sounds or animals(aside some samples from animal porn movies hehe).
So is there any good stuff out there that utilizes self recorded sounds of animals or something along the line of micing few dogs and having them run around in scrap metal, chains etc.(or would that be animal cruelty? haha)
That Vagina Dentata Organ video is good but maybe it would have been even better if the actual dogs on stages were mic'ed and the sounds were ran trough effects and amps.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Nil By Mouth on December 18, 2011, 11:57:34 PM
Wertham used some pigs calls on "Memories from Pigsty"
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: ConcreteMascara on December 19, 2011, 12:45:36 AM
I remember there being pigs on IRM's Order4, specifically the third track.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: RG on December 19, 2011, 12:54:12 AM
It's probably not self-recorded, but I seem to remember Strom.ec using some kind of big cat roar on one of their tracks (I think on Divine Legions Beyond Psyche)
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Henrik III on December 19, 2011, 01:05:26 AM
Masterful evocative old skool rough artyness by Henning Christiansen:

http://www.soundohm.com/henning-christiansen/symphony-natura/slowscan/

Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: icepick method on December 19, 2011, 01:09:35 AM
Dissecting Table used cats, goats, birds, frogs, etc. on Human Breeding Market's title track, and pigs on The Needs of The Body, along with some other bleating lamb noise.

Human Breeding Market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygyIVDE04pI
The Needs of the Body
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUop-xx_otY
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Nyodene D on December 19, 2011, 04:04:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrocEmhLsJk

no dogs no masters.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: xdementia on December 19, 2011, 05:41:20 AM
my personal favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaaFO_YBFM
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: XXX on December 19, 2011, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: xdementia on December 19, 2011, 05:41:20 AM
my personal favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaaFO_YBFM

linking the video in the first post?
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: ARKHE on December 19, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYeximOhaUk

in the vein of Caninus, not very good but... ah.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: GEWALTMONOPOL on December 19, 2011, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Peterson on December 19, 2011, 01:02:20 AMI have a massive Great Dane whose bark/growl is pretty angry-sounding if you didn't know him personally. Going to use some of his snarling and loud barking on a recording soon. No cruelty involved, he's just a very vocal dog sometimes!

Ex girlfriend from years ago had one. They are the Barry White of dog vocalists.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: tiny_tove on December 19, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
I have been using dogs, pigs, flies, felines and soon will be using more exitic beasts.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: post-morten on December 19, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Reynols 10.000 Chickens' Symphony (7", Drone Records). Very unsettling listening experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAlwtWtStxk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAlwtWtStxk)
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Mattias G on December 19, 2011, 05:43:11 PM
My dog are a on a few altar of flies recordings. It´s chickens on the "Förruttnelsen" LP and the upcoming "the Violent blow" LP. I have also recorded insects etc...
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: kettu on December 19, 2011, 08:08:41 PM
I made a shaker box with a huge moth a couple summers ago. did some loops with it. and I let the moth go when I was done with it because im a naturefag.

it sounded neat in real time and slowed down.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Mattias G on December 19, 2011, 08:09:22 PM
I am also thinking of that Walter Marchetti LP with pigs and piano. Very good!
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: emboscado on December 19, 2011, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: xdementia on December 19, 2011, 05:41:20 AM
my personal favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaaFO_YBFM

Watching again this Vagina Dentata Organ video, I had some sort of epiphany, since his aesthetics reminds me of Genocide Organ, I mean: paramilitary clothing, calix cups and the word ORGAN in the name of the band. They (GO) started around 1988 and this video is four years before.

Probably just a funny coincidence but I'm curious...
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Zeno Marx on December 20, 2011, 04:48:47 AM
Chod has a track or two with wolves howling.  Really nice stuff.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: murderous_vision on December 20, 2011, 06:00:46 AM
Wow, are Chod still active?
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: emboscado on December 20, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 20, 2011, 04:48:47 AM
Chod has a track or two with wolves howling.  Really nice stuff.

I also remember a track from 'Extreme Music from Women' titled 'Lycanthropy' by Annabel Lee (Blood Axis) which used wolves grunts.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Strömkarlen on December 20, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
Vagina Dentata Organ – Music For The Hashishins dogs

according to Jordi

I: VAGINA DENTATA ORGAN PRESENTS : MUSIC FOR THE HASHISHINS, IN MEMORIAM OF HASSAN-I-SABBAH. (TRAINED TO KILL/SEXUAL). All you hear on both sides of this LP is the wild growl of a real dog trained to kill. It's violent and cruel. A passionate, and desperate appeal to murder. I call it poetry without rhetoric.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: tiny_tove on December 20, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
the dogs used in the (excellent) video L'age d'or looks more shitscared than trained to kill :)
a nyway classic video, one of the most powerful things I have ever seen
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: ddmurph on December 20, 2011, 09:53:58 PM
lots of schimpfluch releases use animal recordings, most obvious being dave phillips ... schimpfluch-commune chiang may (dogs), plus all the insect recordings stuff. there's some dog barking sounds on the raionbashi & kutzkelina - aktion 091216 berlin lp. also, from an interview with rudolf ...

QuoteFOR AN "ARCHITECTS-FORUM" IN TAIPEI I ONCE WAS HIRED, THAT WAS WHILE I WAS GOAT-SHEPERD IN THE MOUNTAINS, I TOOK THREE OF MY GOATS DOWN TO THE BOURGEOIS OPENING-PARTY. THE GOATS HAD SUCH A FUN RAMMING HORNS INTO ASSES OF CHAMPAING SUCKING BITCHES, LETTING GO NEXT THEIR EXPENSIVE HIGHHEELS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS LAUGHING HARDER; ME, THE GOATS, OR MY FRIENDS IN THE AUDIANCE. PERFECT PANIC.

MY ROOSTER DID SUCH A WELL AKTION TOO. SO PROUD TO BE ON STAGE. HE KNEW HE IS THE MASTER OF THE CEREMONY, WITH PICK-UPS ON HIS NECK.

... http://www.tinymixtapes.com/features/runzelstirn-gurgelstoslashck


joe colley's hive uses sounds sourced from a beehive


terry fox - labyrinth scored for 11 different cats


haven't heard it but, also, matmos - rat relocation program ...

QuoteA street rat was breaking into our apartment, eating our food and chewing holes in our clothes, skittering across our kitchen in the dark, scuttling inside our walls late at night. Since we already had a pet rat, the prospect of trying to kill one rat while feeding another struck us as intolerable hypocrisy, so we bought a non-lethal 'Have-a-Heart Trap'. After several days of luring the invader closer and closer towards and then inside the trap with peanuts, we captured her. The first track is an unedited recording of the rat protesting its incarceration. The second track is our response, in which the timing and duration of the rat screams from the first track have been preserved. The following morning we took the rat to a wealthy suburban neighborhood and set it free." -- Drew Daniel.



Quote from: Henrik III on December 19, 2011, 01:05:26 AM
Masterful evocative old skool rough artyness by Henning Christiansen:

http://www.soundohm.com/henning-christiansen/symphony-natura/slowscan/

this is incredible, an all-time favourite round these parts. it's up on ubuweb on also ... http://www.ubu.com/sound/christiansen.html
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: youngnosh on December 23, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
I'm sure there is a skin graft release with dogs on it.
It put me off to be honest!
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: burdizzo on April 25, 2013, 12:14:45 AM
The Hafler Trio used lambs on 'A Thirsty Fish'. Pretty cool release, too.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Johann on April 25, 2013, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Si Clark on December 18, 2011, 08:44:29 PM
I remember hearing one artist who recorded the death rattle of a badly injured rabbit he found in his garden. He put some minimal sounds behind it, it was a bit strange. I can't remember the guy's name, will have a think. Lots of pig noises on the Chains of Death Command tape, that's all I can think of for now.

Jeph Jerman did this, it was released as a free MP3 (unedited/processed field recording) along with a few other recordings by some website...i'll have to look to see if i still have the MP3.

R&G released an album that utilized the sound of dogs (reprocessed recordings provided by Stella of Macro) I haven't heard it but maybe someone else could comment on it
http://www.discogs.com/Runzelstirn-Gurgelst%C3%B8ck-Dein-Mund-So-Rot-/release/538860


Dave Phillips uses these sounds really well and has also released some field recordings on CD of frogs/insects etc in thailand (?) maybe i'm wrong.

Another highly recommended cd of insect sounds is 'broken hearted dragonflies: insect electronica" released by sublime frequencies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKaiR4a5FQ (for a sample)
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: nyarluna on April 27, 2013, 07:29:43 PM
Tribes of Neurot "Adaptation and Survival: The Insect Project"
a sound experiment dedicated to and inspired by insects.

Designed to have multiple mixing capabilities consisting of a 5",7" and 10" enabling listeners to mix and layer their own unique insect experience utilizing multiple turntables and sound systems.  The CD release features two discs withe the 1st disc containing the vinyl mixes and the 2 disc containing a stereo representation of a single potential outcome of such exploration of the many original pieces.  Listeners are encouraged to try playing the two discs simultaneously on different sound systems for further depth into the sounds of insects.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: ConcreteMascara on April 27, 2013, 10:10:41 PM
Ah that Tribes of Neurot release is a good one. An overused to describe would be meditative.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Johann on April 28, 2013, 01:38:21 AM
http://compostandheight.blogspot.com/2009/04/jeph-jerman-putting-rabbit-down.html

Found it, download still works. Text is from the site

"Coming home one evening I found a young rabbit on my front porch. a not uncommon occurrence, there were rabbits all over the yard throughout the day, but there was something different about this one: it didn't run off as i approached it. I got to within a foot or so and it still didn't hop away. i nudged it with my foot and it loped slightly sideways and then stayed put. I crouched down to take a close look and stayed that way for several minutes. The rabbit didn't move. "obviously something wrong here", I thought, and went inside. When i came out a few hours later, the rabbit was nearer my neighbor's house, and still not running away if I came near. It was then that I noticed that it's head was somewhat larger than before, and surmised that something was definitely wrong with it. I wondered if i should do anything, but eventually decided not to and went to bed. The next day when I came home from work the rabbit was in the driveway and I had to swerve to avoid hitting it. I had asked a co-worker who is knowledgeable about animals what she thought and she said it had probably been hit by a car, reassuring me that that didn't necessarily mean that I had hit it. I wondered then if this animal was trying to commit suicide to relieve itself. I got out of the car and went over to look at it again. I'll spare you the details but it was much worse off. I thought about killing it, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. what if it would recover? I went inside.

Coming out again several hours later I found the rabbit prone and barely alive. Putting on some old gardening gloves I picked it up and placed it in a grass-lined hole under a mesquite tree in my front yard. Then I went back in the house and got my recorder. Placing the microphones on either side of it's head I recorded several minutes of the rabbit's laboured breathing. I felt kind of strange about this, but I did it anyway, rationalizing that it was another fairly unique desert sound, and rabbits probably died every day, without me (or anyone else) noticing. By evening the rabbit was dead. I took it out into a large tract of land adjacent my house and buried it.

A number of conundrums presented themselves around this event. Should I have "put the rabbit out of it's misery"? should I have recorded it, or was this a ghoulish act? Should I do anything with the recording, or should I delete it? The recording resided on a shelf in my studio for a couple of years, and I thought about these things every so often. Recently, while working on some other field recordings, I decided that the rabbit recording would fit in with what I was working on, so I mixed it in. All the old questions came up again, and I wondered what to do with the finished piece. I told the story to a couple of good friends whom I was visiting in New York, and they encouraged me to publish the work along with the story. All of this has been compounded by the fact that it is nearing Easter, and images of rabbits are everywhere.

After telling the story to my friends, and expressing my doubts about what I was doing, I was reminded of the old zen story: two monks are walking along a path when they come to a stream, beside which stands a woman who is obviously trying to cross, but unable to do so on her own. the first monk, without thinking, hoists the woman on his back and wades across the river. the second monk follows. after this the two monks walk on. a while later the second monk turns to the first and says "why did you do that? you know that we're not allowed to touch women..." the first monk replies "put her down. I did an hour ago".

So I suppose this piece is my way of putting the rabbit down."- Jeph Jerman
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: tinnitustimulus on April 29, 2013, 09:05:01 PM
I can't find any information that used to be on his site, but peter b. (ciat-lonbarde) did a performance of putting earthworms on to contacts controlling one his weird synths. the electronic voltages made the worms really squirm. I'd like to see more of this somewhere.

russell haswell - recorded while it actually happened/Wild Tracks - More like Field Recordings, but that includes recordings of flies and ants.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Zeno Marx on July 28, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Peterson on April 29, 2013, 02:57:37 AM
I have several tracks with recordings of Cicadas and Crickets in them, layered among other sounds. Let me know if anyone would like to hear them. Insects are one of my favorite subjects to document via tape.
'Tis the year for cicadas.  Either I've forgotten or never noticed, but it's interesting how they go completely quiet and then roar into a cacophony of [what I assume is] communication.  Then quiet.  Then roar.  Their shells littered everywhere.  It wouldn't take a whole lot to turn it into a cool wall of shimmering noise.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: THE RITA HN on July 29, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
I've posted this elsewhere before, but here it is again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGOzVfgjNK0
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Cementimental on July 29, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
Some animal vocals on a track on my latest album: https://seagrave.bandcamp.com/track/lotssa-yella-knees
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Johann on July 30, 2015, 05:06:12 AM
G*Park uses environmental sounds extensively, especially the bannedproduction tape corpse (on the banned production bandcamp page for those interested)...believe it's sheep in a field, one dead and many flies buzzing with occasional startling electronic interference.

Has anyone heard the Dieter Roth work with him and 12 dogs? I've been trying to track this down.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 30, 2015, 01:03:33 PM
I like using various kinds of bullfrogs and whatnot in some recordings of mine. My cat has randomly appeared on them as well.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: WCrap on July 30, 2015, 01:22:12 PM
Quote from: Johann on July 30, 2015, 05:06:12 AM
Has anyone heard the Dieter Roth work with him and 12 dogs? I've been trying to track this down.

this is a 24h recording from a dog shelter with dozens of howling and barking dogs. a very depressing piece. i saw this as an installation with multiple speakers and with hundreds of photos taken by dieter mounted on the wall. you can only hear this when it is installed in an exhibition. it was never published.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: holy ghost on July 31, 2015, 02:00:57 AM
There's a Stars of the Lid track (I believe on Tired Sounds) with a dog whimpering, which just happens to be the saddest sound in the world.....
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Cementimental on July 31, 2015, 06:32:04 PM
I remember a lot of controversy on noise/experimental yahoo mailing lists back in the day over some anonymous CD-R of dying rats, something released by/related to Eugenics Council/Apop I think..?
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: tiny_tove on July 31, 2015, 11:45:56 PM
If I am not wrong, Blazen Y Sharp (the guys behind Genderless Kibbutz label), did a work with insects and worms... I really cannot recall the details but I think ithey recorded their interaction with cheese, a food they cannot digest properly... I am quite sure to have it somewhere...
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Zeno Marx on August 01, 2015, 03:11:55 AM
Jeph Jerman has at least one album with ants.  Yannick Dauby has all kinds of albums at this point with frogs and who knows what else.  I think the GREAT Jgrzinich has recordings, or maybe only a video, with ants.  I'd be surprised if Seth Nehil, MNortham, and the rest of this group of contemporaries haven't at least dabbled in insect and animal field recording manipulations.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: isomer on August 01, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
I've used samples of koalas, dingos, magpies and the awesome sounding weddell seal. If you didn't know they were animals you'd think you were listening to an AKS synth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRBovMIvMI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRBovMIvMI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wVEqHOlYd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wVEqHOlYd4)
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: greylake on August 01, 2015, 04:02:29 AM
Einstürzende Neubauten's Thirsty Animal 12":

"When I walked into the studio Blixa had his body miked up and they were punching him to get a bass drum beat. And the studio floor was covered with meat, and they had this dog they'd starved for three days with contact mics all over its stomach... and they were recording him eating the meat! It was really bizarre. I had to stand in the middle of this studio, the floor strewn with these bones and meat, and play guitar. It was quite a hard act to follow, believe me." - Rowland S. Howard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmRafp4QJ6E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmRafp4QJ6E)

I'm having trouble making out the starved dog in the mix.
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: tiny_tove on August 01, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: isomer on August 01, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
I've used samples of koalas, dingos, magpies and the awesome sounding weddell seal. If you didn't know they were animals you'd think you were listening to an AKS synth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRBovMIvMI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CRBovMIvMI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wVEqHOlYd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wVEqHOlYd4)


you lucky Australians, you have any sort of bizarre creature in the world that not only stings but also emits the weirdest noises
Title: Re: Usage of animals in experimental music
Post by: Deadpriest on October 26, 2015, 01:20:02 PM
Maybe being obvious but Merzbow uses distorted chicken sounds in Turmeric and Sha mo 3000, I think there are duck sounds on Bariken.