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I know this isn't Industrial or Noise but I really didn't think it belonged in the Art section. I know we have a ton of Metal heads here, and most of you were brought into Industrial/Noise/PE through Metal. What are some of your favorite Metal releases of all time?

I did a pretty in depth list of mine with short reviews over at RYM, it is still a work in progress but the first 25 have been established. I tend to like the dirty and evil Speed Metal genre with punk flavoring and Thrash, as you will see:

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/RyanWreck/ryans_top_100_metal_albums__wip

Your favorites? Comments? Ideas? Metal discussion in general is welcome.

No love for Ride the Lightning?! Say what you want about their post-80s stuff, but RtL should be on every metal fan's top albums list. Nobody will think less of you, haha.

The only "metal" I ever listen to is industrial-crossover stuff like Ministry and Godflesh.  I was brought into industrial more through alternative rock than actual metal.  

Alot of those are my faves too. I remember getting "Power from Hell" LP from Pushead but I don't remember it being very good. Should give it a listen. I remember not liking Bulldozer's 1st LP back then, thinking it was too much like Venom but I like it now. I'd have to include Voivod "War and Pain", Mercyful Fate "Melissa", Sodom's debut 12", Venom's first few... Black Sabbath would have to be on the list. Hallow's Eve "Tales of Terror" is great. I had the cassette when it was released & bought it really cheap on LP when I signed up to ebay (got their 2nd LP too).

I listen to waaaaay more metal nowadays than anything else.

Mikko's fave metal list should be a good one...

For me, Metallica's debut (still own the LP). Never liked most of RTL & some of MoP. Also would have to include Hellhammer, Celtic Frost, Exodus, Hirax (like'em more now than I did back then due to his vocals).

Just about everything from Mötorhead. 

Not all 100% Metal but related enough to fit here...all these get regular spins...all bona fide classics!!!!

Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Swans - Public Castration Is A Good Idea
Neurosis - Enemy Of The Sun
Repulsion - Horrified
Napalm Death - Scum
Deicide - Deicide
Beherit - Drawing Down The Moon
Impaled Nazarene - Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz
Faith No More - Angel Dust
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Death Strike - Fuckin' Death
W.A.S.P - The Headless Children
Ministry - Psalm 69
Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel Of Doom
Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
Corrupted - Paso Inferior
Guns n' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
S.O.D. - Speak English Or Die
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
Sepultura - Beneath The Remains

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 11, 2012, 09:00:59 PM
most of you were brought into Industrial/Noise/PE through Metal.

This is something I've always found interesting. Although I was Metal in the Eighties and punk in the Nineties I didn't actually get into Noise/PE/etc. through those genres but came to it more independently, and at first I didn't make any real link. Yet, there is some kind of crossover, at least in terms of intensity and intent. I'd be more interested in knowing if and how people see a connection.

I'd think the more obvious connection would be between punk and Industrial. Both have similar roots - one thinks of SPK and Einstürzende Neubauten. But that was a couple of generations ago. When I interviewed a few people involved in Noise/PE I found it very common for them to have a background in hardcore/grindcore/Metal before coming to Noise, due to what they perceived as a similarity in feeling. I'd assume that would be the case for many others.

As far as favourites are concerned - Venom's albums up to Possessed, Voi Void's first three albums, Metallica's Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets, Warfare, Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, Bathory, Celtic Frost, Motorhead from the old school. Immortal, Emperor, Limbonic Art from the first wave of BM. Blut Aus Nord, Deathspell Omega, Leviathan, Xasthur from the more recent waves of BM.

(PS - Motorhead are an interesting proposition. It's been written before, and I agree, that they don't so much make good albums as good songs. It's not easy to put down which is one of their better albums for that reason although Ace Of Spades and Inferno are definitely impossible to ignore. Regardless, they wear the crown - even if they don't actually identify as a Metal band. I suppose when you're Motorhead you can do what the fuck you want).

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 11, 2012, 11:24:45 PM
Alot of those are my faves too. I remember getting "Power from Hell" LP from Pushead but I don't remember it being very good. Should give it a listen.

It is fairly simple and monotone but that's what I really like about it, and what I enjoyed about the first 2 Bathory albums; 3-4 fast riffs per song, mid-paced punk drumming and catchy chorus'.

And yea I listen to far more Metal these days than even Noise. I went to my family's house for the holidays and got my box of records and CD's out of the shed and forgot how much great stuff was in there and have been possessed by everything in it for weeks now.

If anyone is looking for Exciter "Heavy Metal Maniac" on wax I have an extra, the spine and insert is bent up a little bit but nothing crazy. I won't charge anything crazy but I would rather trade. Would get rid of my Septic Death records/tapes too, never really got into them.

What kind of surprises me is how few people in the true industrial/noise/PE scene used to be dark electro/EBM kids, since all of that stuff is is commonly marketed as "industrial music" and search engines don't know the difference. 

Holy Terror - Mind Wars.  Fin.

I arrived at SPK via synthpop and EBM as a 13-14 year old who was very much a part of the synth scene. For me SPK were on the most extreme end of the electronic music spectrum with perhaps someone like Yazoo at the other end. That may seem odd today but when speaking to many German friends that's often their link as well. Only the idiots who used mopeds and were generally braindead listened to metal where I came from. The possibility of me ever listening to "their" music back then was unthinkable.

I could be wrong but I think CMI was the label to forge a link between metal and industrial. This happened later in the 90's long after originators like TG and SPK had shut shop.

Having spent a couple of teenage years being very anti guitars I began to open my ears bit by bit as things like Foetus, Young Gods and Laibach appeared and did interesting things. The odd friend here and there would play stuff like Metallica and Slayer which I listened to with some interest. The first band/album I really took on board was Metallica's And Justice for All which I bought in 89. For it's long intricate tracks and cold, dry production it's still my favourite Metallica album. Another album to act as an attractor was Death's Leprosy which to my then 16 year old ears was the heaviest most brutal thing I'd ever heard. It's still the only one of their albums I care about.

As I began working at a club where several legendary punk, HC and metal bands of various sub genres played it soon followed that my tastes evolved and I embraced a whole host of bands from there. The journey has never ceased. To write a list of favourite metal bands is impossible. There are hundreds, possibly thousands, who've influenced, inspired, impressed, titillated and blown me away with their varied styles and approaches.

Motorhead to me is first and foremost a traditional rockband following in the footsteps of Jerry Lee Lewis turned up to 111.

BLACKDEATH - Fucking Fullmoon Foundation

Quote from: RG on January 11, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
No love for Ride the Lightning?! Say what you want about their post-80s stuff, but RtL should be on every metal fan's top albums list. Nobody will think less of you, haha.

I never really gave Metallica a chance due to them...well, being Metallica and that sound doesn't mesh with my personal tastes so I can't say whether or not I really like the album because I never spent much time with it, nor really any of their albums. But I have never really been big on a lot of the more "traditional" Thrash bands with a handful of exceptions (Razor, Tankard, Carnivore, Exodus, Sacred Reich to name a few). I've always liked the older, rawer "Teutonic" labeled stuff and first-wave Black Metal and Speed Metal bands.

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 12, 2012, 05:12:41 AM

Quote from: RG on January 11, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
No love for Ride the Lightning?! Say what you want about their post-80s stuff, but RtL should be on every metal fan's top albums list. Nobody will think less of you, haha.

I never really gave Metallica a chance due to them...well, being Metallica and that sound doesn't mesh with my personal tastes so I can't say whether or not I really like the album because I never spent much time with it, nor really any of their albums.

Strictly by the music, having looked at your list, it would make absolutely no sense to me if you didn't like Kill 'Em All a lot.  Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, and And Justice?  I understand why you might not.

Haven't listened to it, at least not for maybe 10 years or so, since high-school. The only song I remember from it is "Whiplash" because I liked that track, can't remember much else.

On another note, what does everyone think about this whole "War Metal" hype as of the last few years? Personally I am not a huge fan. Too over the top for my tastes. I did like the first Proclamation LP and I love Perversor's "Demon Metal" EP although that is arguably more South America styled Deathrash soaked in old school reverb production techniques. Revenge (Canada) is horrid.

Well you should at least give Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning a fair listen, Ryan. I guess I viewed them the same as you do. I had been listening to metal for years before I paid attention to them, because I mainly associated them with their stuff from The Black Album onward, but damn when I finally listened to their first three albums they blew me away. Too bad the recent vinyl reissues sound like fucking shit.

I'm mostly drawn to bands that change throughout their careers, instead of the ones that keep basically releasing the same album over and over with slight variation. It's hard for me to name favorite releases, but my two favorite bands of all time are the Melvins and Neurosis. Bands like Bathory and Immortal are great too because they each have two very distinct periods. Enslaved is another great band that has grown and mutated but their last 3-4 albums haven't done much for me.

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 11, 2012, 09:00:59 PM
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/RyanWreck/ryanwrecks_50_favorite_metal_albums_ever___wip_

Your favorites? Comments? Ideas? Metal discussion in general is welcome.

Plenty of great releases listed but also stuff that from my point perspective is more cool and fun than anywhere close to essential (like Executioner and Virus), and on the other hand many unsurpassable classics are missing. Also I think bands like Bathory, Onslaught and Slayer improved a lot from their debuts on the subsequent records. My own taste leans towards deathrash and (today) the listing might start something like this:

Autopsy "Mental Funeral"
Burzum "Hvis lyset tar oss" or "Filosofem"
Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness"
Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion"
Dark Angel "Darkness Descends"
Death "Scream Bloody Gore"
Entombed "Left Hand Path"
Exodus "Bonded by Blood"
Iron Maiden "Piece of Mind" or "Powerslave"
Judas Priest "Painkiller"
Kreator "Pleasure to Kill"
Mayhem "De mysteriis dom sathanas"
Metallica "Ride the Lightning"
Possessed "Seven Churches"
Sadus "Illusions"
Slayer "Hell Awaits"
Voivod "Dimension Hatröss" (or "Nothingface" or "Killing Tech")

And so much more...Sepultura, Sodom, Destruction, Bathory, Assassin, Deathrow, Morbid Angel, Accept, Candlemass, Repugnant, Pestilence, Rainbow, Darkthrone, Grotesque, Repulsion, Grave, Motörhead, Exciter, Obituary ("Slowly We Rot" only!) and so forth. To my horror I have noticed that in this ripe age I have learned to tolerate Mercyful Fate to some degree. I have these two metal (of death) axioms that 1) all the best metal records are made by youngsters (max. 21 years) and 2) USA bands = debut is the best record, Euro bands = record no. 2 or 3 is the best.

Great ... finally a topic i am glad to join!

Nocturnus - The key LP
Nocturnus - Thresholds LP
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness LP
Meat Shits - Fuck Frenzy MC
Carcass - Symphonies of sickness LP 1989
Darkthrone - Soulside journey CD 1989
Impetigo - Ultimo Mondo Cannibale CD
Goreaphobia - Omen of machosism 7"
Paradise Lost - Gothic CD
Pestilence - Malleus Maleficarum CD
Pestilence - Consuming impulse CD
Pungent Stench/Disharmonic Orchestra - Split LP
Righteous Pigs - Stress related CD
Slayer - South of heaven LP
Type O Negativ - October Rust CD
Incantation - Primordial Domination CD
Megadeth - So far, so good... so what! LP 1987
Nehemah - requiem tenebrae CD
Ondskapt - Dödens evangelium Do-LP
King Diamond - The eye CD

I will stick to the classic and leave out all modern black metal and metalcore/postcore/crossover I listen to, in no particular order -some cut and past from other posters ;)

Bathory - Under the sign of the black mark /blood fire death / Nordland 1
Slayer - raining blood
Iron Maiden - Piece of mind/Number of the beast/Powerslave
Ac/Dc - Back in black / For thos about to rock
Celtic frost - Morbid Tales / To meha therion
Anthrax - Among the living
Manowar - any
Metallica - Kill 'em all / Ride the lightning / Master of puppets
Judas priest - British steel
Accept - Accept / restless and wild /Russian roulette / Metal heart
Possessed - 7 gates /Beyond the gates
Venom - Welcome to hell / Black metal
WASP - WASP / The last command / The headless children
CARNIVORE - retaliation
Running wild - Ready for boarding /Under jolly roger
Kreator - Pleasure to kill
Sodom - The  sign of evil
Living death - Protected from Reality
Mercyful fate - don't break the oath / Melissa
King diamond - Fatal portrait
Black sabbath - Anything with Ozzy and Ronnie James Dio
DIO - Holy diver
Rainbow - Rising
Schizo - Main frame collapse
Pestilence - Malleus Maleficarum / Consuming impulse
Voivod - any
Carcass - Reek of putrefaction/Symphonies of sickness
Death  - Scream Bloody Gore
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Exodus - Bonded by Blood
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Deicide - Deicide / Legion
Acheron - Rites of the black mass
Guns n' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
S.O.D. - Speak English Or Die
Motorhead - any

hundreds more

Quote from: tiny_tove on January 12, 2012, 02:36:39 PM


Living death - Protected from Reality

Schizo - Main frame collapse

Both are extremely underrated releases, especially Schizo. I love that album.

In regards to Metallica, I've always thought ...And Justice For All was the best Metallica album by far, but I do have deep love for Ride the Lightning. AJFA has such complex but effective arrangements and the way it closes at full speed with Dyers Eve... fuckkk.

and to further digress I, like some others here, came to noise through electronic music, primarily IDM. Found MERZBOW through Warp Records release of Satanstornade album with Russell Haswell.

but in terms of metal, just some of my favorites (excluding black metal, grindcore, industrial metal).

Neurosis - everything, especially the classic period from 92-98.
Black Sabbath - the first 3 albums, it doesn't get much better than this
Carcass - Necroticism....
Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos, In Battle There Is No Law
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Corrupted - Nadie EP, Se Hace Por Los Suenos Asesinos
Ilsa - Tutti il Colori del Buio
Metallica - ...And Justice for All, Ride the Lightning

that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Won't bother listing releases, but I suppose I'm one of the metalheads running astray in the industrial environment after hearing MZ412 fucking up the boundaries between the two. Origins in all kinds of 90's black metal (norwegian, of course, including the later stuff by Emperor, Ulver etc). Began in Iron Maiden & Metallica, grown bored to death of both and will only promote Master of Puppets & DiAnno years). Bands:

FURZE
DEATHSPELL OMEGA
BLACK SABBATH (69-75)
DARKTHRONE (89-04)
MORTUARY DRAPE
ARMAGEDDA
MORBID ANGEL
CELTIC FROST
VOIVOD (up until Jasonic joined)
BAL-SAGOTH (fuck off, they're amazing)
ARCTURUS (as above)
DÖDHEIMSGARD/BURZUM/ISVIND/KVIST/etcetcetc
AUTOPSY
...could continue for a day or two. nwobhm, florida death metal, italian occult doom metal, grindcore, heavy rock... etc. not a big thrash listener though, besides the classics. I'll get back to this thread.

Sabbath - St Vitus -Venom - Hellhammer -Celtic Frost - Bathory - Sodom - Sarcofago

Celtic Frost

I use the term "metal" loosely since I grew up listening to so much hardcore as well. Plus I always like new stuff a lot, so not all of these are "classic" albums.

Neurosis - Enemy of the Sun, Times of Grace
Slayer - Divine Intervention
Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin At Dusk
Ash Pool - For Which He Plies the Lash
Isis - Celestial, Oceanic
Dissection - The Somberlain, Storm of the Light's Bane
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Integrity - Those Who Fear Tomorrow, Systems Overload, Season in the Size of Days
Arsis - A Celebration of Guilt
Converge - Jane Doe
The Psyche Project - Apnea
Coalesce - Functioning on Impatience
Fukpig - Spewings from a Selfish Nation
Baroness - The Red Album
Kaospilot - Kaospilot
Pantera - Far Beyond Driven
Summoning - Dol Guldor
Liturgy - Aesthetica
Tragedy - Vengeance
Ulver - Capitel
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Bloodlet - The Seraphim Fall
Burst - Origo

edited to add:

Cryptopsy - Whisper Supremacy

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Asunder - A Clarion Call
Black Sabbath - Paranoid + Master of Reality
Corrupted - Nadie + Paso Inferior
Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
Eyehategod - In The Name of Suffering
Grave - Into the Grave
Metallica - ... they have a special place in my heart, so I really can't be critical.
Moss - Sub Templum
Sleep - Dopesmoker
Thou - pretty much their whole discography.

And of course this list doesn't include any classic rock albums (perhaps with the exception of Sabbath) and stuff, otherwise it would be way too long. Alphabetized, not prioritized. In all actuality there's too many to list, but I've noticed that these get more spins than most others.

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 13, 2012, 04:57:25 PM

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Hey, after all - Cold Lake is not so bad!

Quote from: JV on January 13, 2012, 06:29:41 PM

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 13, 2012, 04:57:25 PM

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Hey, after all - Cold Lake is not so bad!

What about the goth stuff on Monotheist?

Nuclear Death
Clandestine Blaze

Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 12, 2012, 05:18:09 AM
Strictly by the music, having looked at your list, it would make absolutely no sense to me if you didn't like Kill 'Em All a lot.  Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, and And Justice?  I understand why you might not.

Listened to the first half of this today and yea it is pretty good. You can here some Venom influence for sure. "Phantom Lord" seems to be my favorite track as of yet. If I find a cheap copy for a couple bucks on Amazon I'll probably throw it in with an order.

*EDIT* Found one for $4.99 and grabbed it since I was getting a Bathory LS shirt and the "Battle Cry" CD by Omen. $31 with shipping is not bad at all.

Battle Cry is an amazing album. Have you heard that first HIRAX demo from 1984? It absolutely kills.

Quote from: JV on January 13, 2012, 06:29:41 PM

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 13, 2012, 04:57:25 PM

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Hey, after all - Cold Lake is not so bad!

Not so great either but I always loved the theory that herr Fischer though the German Poison had moved to LA, hit it big and he wanted to do the same.

Otherwise wondering about the all raved (semi-)contemporary black metal (well, there are a few) that's not seen here. Katharsis rules, though!

Quote from: Henrik III on January 13, 2012, 08:58:16 PM

Quote from: JV on January 13, 2012, 06:29:41 PM

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 13, 2012, 04:57:25 PM

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Hey, after all - Cold Lake is not so bad!

Not so great either but I always loved the theory that herr Fischer though the German Poison had moved to LA, hit it big and he wanted to do the same.

Otherwise wondering about the all raved (semi-)contemporary black metal (well, there are a few) that's not seen here. Katharsis rules, though!

Yeah, not so great, but better than Katharsis anyway, hah! ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4 - It's impossible for them to totally get rid of the morbid riffology. (1:07 - 1:10).

I'm not into much contemporary Black Metal. Akitsa is probably the best active BM band around in my opinion closely followed by Peste Noire. I like a few Clandestine Blaze albums and Mgla, but when it comes to BM I am drawn to the so called "first wave", which is more or less just Thrash/Speed Metal. A lot of bands are trying to mimic those sounds these days but fail in so many ways. Midnight from the states is one of the better bands to tackle the sound, adding a more straight up rock approach that reminds me of Tank and Motorhead's call-and-response type of Blues inspired riffing with a solid Black Thrash sound reminiscent of Venom and Bathory. Nekrofilth is great in my opinion, total Slaughter (Canada) worship! I know a lot of people hate Toxic Holocaust but I enjoy his shit, same with Nadiwrath and Aura Noir.

What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest (bitewerks, I'm looking your way)? I know most of the Swedish stuff, love Bolt Thrower, Possessed, etc. I also listen to a ton of Deathrash (Merciless, Exhorder, Devestation (Texas, USA), Agressor, Death Strike, etc) so I don't need any suggestions in that area. So you can get a sense of what I type of sound I am looking for, the following Death Metal albums are the first which spring to mind when I think of what type of sound I enjoy in my DM:

Nocturnus - "Thresholds"
Rottrevore - "Iniquitous"
Grave - "Into the Grave"
Deceased... - "Luck of the Corpse" & "Fearless Undead Machines"

Katharsis "World Without End" is a huge fave of mine. Along with the follow-up 12". There's a rumour there will be a split Lp with Teitanblood.

In Paris while in a bar with Mikko & Steph from Kickback, a member of a black metal band came up & Steph introduced Mikko throwing in "from Clandestine Blaze" & the guy was SPEECHLESS.

Hellhammer scared the hell out of me when I bought it just based on the coverart. It was just so different & nasty compared to everything else at that time. Voivod's "War and Pain" seemed way different too. Just rough as fuck. I had the cassette release & was fascinated with that one line that I always thought had to be something other than "we'll rape your child...".

When I first got into industrial/noise, most people hated metal but at that time I was bored with it too.

Which Hellhammer cover are you talking about, "Apocalyptic Raids" or "Demon Entrails"? I thought both of those creatures were nasty little fuckers. All the spikes sticking through them and their genitalia hanging out, dripping and bone thing. Those covers should be scratch and sniff.

all KING DIAMOND*
all MERCYFUL FATE*
*(yes - even contemporary)

JUDAS PRIEST - Stained Glass
SCORPIONS - Taken by Force

Quote from: THE RITA HN on January 14, 2012, 03:39:32 AM
all MERCYFUL FATE*
*(yes - even contemporary)

Definitely. You're the only other person I have really seen admit that. Dead Again was fucking good man (I could have done without one or two songs like "Since Forever" and "Fear"), "The Night" is a banger though! I have yet to listen to 9 fully but from what I do remember of the handful of songs I listened to I don't think anything was bad.

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 13, 2012, 04:57:25 PM

Quote from: halthan on January 13, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Celtic Frost

All of it?

Well, "Cold Lake" was kinda lame, heh, but luckily they returned to old style quickly. Warriors´ new band (Triptykon) is also very good.
Anyone heard German band Warhammer ? Total fucking Hellhammer-worshipping, highly recommended !

Hell yea man I used to own everything (besides Demo's and the "die hard" collector crap) Warhammer put out! I love that band. The Doom Messiah is my favorite but their latest LP from 2009 is amazing too, they never have really changed their sound but rather added different production values like that LP has a thicker heavier sound to it which makes me think a bit more of Celtic Frost or even Satanic Rites.

There was another band named Warhammer from the UK who released a really good demo of Deathrash back in 1985. Check it out...  www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rtx1GQeHJc

You can download it here : http://www.mediafire.com/?nmmwegnzmy4

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM
What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest

Don't know about dedication but some excellent standard death metal bands are Asphyx (new stuff is not bad either), Sadistic Intent and Demigod.

Been very glad about the great young death metal bands here in Finland - Stench of Decay, Vorum, Swallowed, all worth to check.

Quote from: Henrik III on January 14, 2012, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM
What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest

Don't know about dedication but some excellent standard death metal bands are Asphyx (new stuff is not bad either), Sadistic Intent and Demigod.

Been very glad about the great young death metal bands here in Finland - Stench of Decay, Vorum, Swallowed, all worth to check.

Sadistic Intent is one of the greatest bands in DM, I don't know how I forgot them. Another band I love, speaking of "sadistic", is Sadistik Exekution. "The Magus" is beyond good with "We Are Death... Fukk You!" following close behind. Also Unleashed who I believe sound pretty damn close to Sadistic Intent, released a slew of great albums in from the early to mid-90's, my favorite is "Shadows in the Deep" that usually gets overshadowed by the debut.

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM
What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest

Incantation
Angel Corpse (Enjoy them a lot more than Revenge)

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM
What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest

Necrovore
Rippikoulu
Treblinka

Quote from: Niko on January 14, 2012, 12:10:02 PM
Treblinka

Another band that was more kvlt than actually good, still Sumerian Cry is a great record. Talking about Swedes, I wish Grotesque would have made a full album in the style of Sunlight tracks on the "Incantation" MLP, that stuff is absolutely mind blowing and Goatspell's screams are best ever.

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Quote from: RyanWreck on January 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM
What are some straight up Death Metal bands from the late 80's-early 90's that some of the more dedicated fans of DM would suggest

Incantation
Angel Corpse (Enjoy them a lot more than Revenge)

To that list I'll add IMMOLATION, CANNIBAL CORPSE, some early DEICIDE... always bored with Swedish death metal (DERANGED an exception, for obvious reasons), Americans always did it better. As long as it's not "guttural slamming brutality" or what the fuck they call it. Death metal is supposed to be played fast, nothing else. First ORIGIN album, first three HATE ETERNAL... CRYPTOPSY. But that's late 90's-early 00's.

Quote from: ARKHE on January 14, 2012, 01:15:24 PMDeath metal is supposed to be played fast, nothing else.

Autopsy disagrees. :)

Talking about Autopsy reminded me about HOODED MENACE.
Seriously the best death metal related band from Finland in 15 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3udZRrgnTc

Making a complete list of metal records would be difficult, there being so many, but a pretty tough trinity that permanently altered my life as a tender teen:

Impaled Nazarene - Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz
Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon
Unholy - From the Shadows

First and foremost, Black Sabbath.
I've never really been a metalhead and for me, heavy metal has been something I've quite much found after my teenange. With some exceptions, though.

I'm quite much into the 70s sound and thus lean much into hard rock: early Judas Priest, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, early Whitesnake etc. Also quite some bits of British prog rock but I guess no point dropping names here.

Classic doom is also one of the faves, lets say Wino-era Saint Vitus, early Trouble and Witchfinder General as the dearest ones.

What comes to more extreme and underground stuff, my taste varies quite a bit. Sludge is fine as long as it doesn't end up with pointless drug jam. Black metal -wise I do like the so-called Finnish sound. Well, unpolished sound with some melody in general. Out of the contemporary names, Ride for Revenge hasn't got mentioned yet, original yet crude stuff.

All in all, I like my metal old schoolish - sound wise is that, foremost. I love crude sounds. On the other hand, everything that is extreme metal by some Kerang definition of the 2000s, is usually awful and/or boring. But I guess no-one here likes the modern metal sound?

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Celtic Frost

All of it?

Hey, after all - Cold Lake is not so bad!

What about the goth stuff on Monotheist?

Pathetic. Can't really listen thought the album due some tracks being just overly pathetic, in a bad way.

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Quote from: ARKHE on January 14, 2012, 01:15:24 PMDeath metal is supposed to be played fast, nothing else.

Autopsy disagrees. :)

Talking about Autopsy reminded me about HOODED MENACE.
Seriously the best death metal related band from Finland in 15 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3udZRrgnTc

Heard a 7" from HM, very drugged-out and heavy! My impression was a missing link between Autopsy & Electric Wizard. And I meant fast in opposition to the guttural slamming brutality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alb5WlLuc50) that's so hip these days, rather than the sludgy trudge of Reifert & similar. I mean... BOLT THROWER.

QuotePathetic. Can't really listen thought the album due some tracks being just overly pathetic, in a bad way.

I enjoyed most parts of Monotheist, even the Marilyn Manson-sounding ballads. Triptykon lost me completely, Tom G Warrior's eyeliner self-pity was tolerable for half an album but bearing 70+ min of that... he's nearly 50 years old, time to grow up.

I like Revenge/Conqueror. Ridiculous, over the top with awful vocals. Kind of like Streicher.

No mention of Blasphemy? Canada has alot of great extreme metal bands! Rites of Thy Degringolade are one of my faves- "Ode to Sin" & "Totality" are excellant records.

Australia is chock full of great bands too; Bestial Warlust, Destroyer 666, Martire, Abominator, Cemetery Urn, Atomizer ("The Only Weapon of Choice"), Denouncement Pyre (debut LP isn't as intense as the 7"'s & mcd), Diocletian (New Zealand but close enough)...

If a band either place, I'll take a listen.

On Hellhammer, it was "Apoc.Raids". That was '84 or '85? Pretty sick stuff for a 14/15 year old & a blind buy!

Impetigo - Faceless EP
One of the greatest (if not THE greatest) releases ever. If these were released on a full-length the whole would probably not be as awesome as here. Just perfect manic death metal (some have said grindcore) from start to finish.

Also can never get enough of Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness, Napalm Death - From Enslavement To Obliteration, Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness. Yeah, I was a big Earache fanboy 20 something years ago :)

I'll put my vote in for
Totenmond - Tonberg Urtod
Great German mix of Death/Doom/Thrash with cryptic german lyrics and punk undertone. Often very simple but effective riffs and brutal vocals. Love em






From their '98 album 'Fleischwald'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osI1RNiEkRM

I cannot stop listening to the extended version of Discharge "The More I See"

Never heard the 12'' version of that but those 2 songs are great.

I've been listening to the first Bolt Thrower record (In Battle There Is No Law) all day. Not a big fan of where Death Metal went in the 90's but stuff like Possessed's Seven Churches, early Death material specifically Scream Bloody Gore, Repulsion and this album are great.

Downloaded Dark Angel's Darkness Descends and am really enjoying it more than I remember. I heard it about 7 or 8 years ago but didn't pay much attention because outside of Slayer I don't pay much attention to a lot of American Thrash, it was either too technical for my tastes or not fast enough. But these guys hit all the right nerves.

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 15, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
I like Revenge/Conqueror. Ridiculous, over the top with awful vocals. Kind of like Streicher.

Revenge is over the top with everything.

QuoteNo mention of Blasphemy? Canada has alot of great extreme metal bands! Rites of Thy Degringolade are one of my faves- "Ode to Sin" & "Totality" are excellant records.

I love a lot of the stuff that has came out of Canada. Sacrifice, Exciter, Razor, I could go on for awhile. Blasphemy is another one of those bands I just don't get.

Jeez the more I read over this thread and comment the more I realize that I'm kind of a picky fuck.

I'm a Metalhead way longer than I've been listening to noise/pe. Got into the latter due to certain BM bands experimenting and doing Ambient/experimental genres, getting into Ambient stuff, then darker stuff like Steel Hook Prostheses and from there to full on noise and pe.

As for Metal, I mainly listen to Black Metal, but also Death, Thrash, Heavy...
Favorite band must be Motörhead, because they're great and have consistent quality.
I'm bad at making favorite lists, so I'll just list some things that come to mind.
Lately I relistened to Saxon's Strong Arm of the Law and I remembered it was good, but not that it was that good! Nice rediscover. Warlock - Triumph and Agony is a great record, as well as the first 3 Anvil records. In 2010 there was a great day on Graspop Metal Meeting, with Motörhead, Doro, Saxon, Udo, Anvil, Raven, as far as Heavy Metal goes, that was great! Another very nice English band was Satan!
Thrash Metal: Kreator - Pleasure to Kill of course, old Sodom (Obsessed by Cruelty is a great record, despite the very rough sound), old Destruction, Exodus - Bonded by Blood, Metallica - Kill 'em All (less interested in the rest of their output, not bad, but just the first is the best), Slayer - Reign in Blood and must get Show No Mercy soon! Also like Hallow's Eve - Tales of Terror, German band Assassin. Reminds me that I should relisten Living Death's Vengeance of Hell. Also, Venom is great.
And don't know where to put them but Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids is a timeless classic of course.
As for Death Metal, actually I'm a bit missing in that part, but Altars of Madness is obviously great, as is Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade (don't own any other albums from them). Possessed - Seven Churches is good of course, but somehow I always feel like I expected more from it... I do like some newer DM bands like Necros Christos, Cruciamentum, Vasaeleth, Grave Miasma, Miasmal, Cemetery Urn... I should check out more DM, but I never seem to get around to it...
For Black Metal, I can keep on listening to De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, definately one of my favourite albums of all time. Old Darkthrone is very much appreciated, as some of the other Norwegian bands, such as Satyricon - Dark Medieval Times, old Immortal... But of course there's a lot of great bands from other countries, old and new.
What I also appreciate very much in general is Black Thrash, such as Absu, Blood Storm, Deströyer 666, Destruktor (Nailed is great), didn't get too much into Aura Noir on record, but seen them live once and despite being pretty drunk, that was really good.
Somebody mentioned War Metal, it's something I appreciate, though not as much as some others seem to do. I do like some of Revenge's stuff, for being so fucked up, same goes for Deiphago, it's good for once in a while. Proclamation - Execration of Cruel Bestiality is good, but sound is quite lame. Seen them live twice and that was great, very tight. Same goes for Black Witchery and Revenge, bands seem to be better live than on record. Blasphemophagher is a band that's both great on record and live. Same goes for Blasphemy, liked seeing them on NWN in 2010. Not exactly War Metal, but Kerasphorus - Cloven Hooves at the Holocaust Dawn is fantastic! Necronaut is less good... Too bad they didn't play at the NWN fest, should have been great...

Ah yes, can't forget South American filth, like Sepultura (Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation is so very good!), Anal Vomit, Perversor, Mystifier, Grave Desecrator... Don't own stuff from Sarcofago and Sextrash so that might have to change sooner or later as well...

Obviously I'm forgetting a lot, but I guess this gives a good overview of my Metal appreciation.

Also, there already was too much great music to check out before I broadened my horizon to noise and pe, so I'm fucked. But I guess I'm not alone with that, hehe...

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 18, 2012, 07:23:18 AMExciter

Ah, yes, Heavy Metal Maniac, another record that should soon end up on my turning table again!

Kerasphorus

I need to pick up both of those records. Pretty much anything Pete Helmkamp does it worth checking out. Except that industrial project he did, that was pretty bad. He has great vocals & writes some pretty damn good lyrics. Looking forward to NWN's Order from Chaos boxset later this year (I think).

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 19, 2012, 02:09:57 AMExcept that industrial project he did, that was pretty bad.

Got a 7" by Terror Organ (Necromechanics) and that's pretty good to me. Or did you mean Feldgrau? That's Industrial Metal he once did, have been listening to it on youtube, but couldn't get into it...

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Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 19, 2012, 02:09:57 AMExcept that industrial project he did, that was pretty bad.

Got a 7" by Terror Organ (Necromechanics) and that's pretty good to me. Or did you mean Feldgrau? That's Industrial Metal he once did, have been listening to it on youtube, but couldn't get into it...

I remember a demo tape he sent me. I listened to it without ever noticing he was involved. Pretty sure it was T.O. Needless to say, I have no clue if the tape was anything like the 7". I rrecognize the name Feldgrau but I'm not sure if I ever knew it was his project. One or the other involved a woman too. I think? Wish I still had the tape; may think differently of it now.

"Give me your meek, weak, & lowly for I kick the dogs when they are down" or something like that.

I'm not much of a death metal fan, so I realize this list is pedestrian.  have separate lists for crossover, thrash, and maybe a couple others.  I like lists, and if you talk about music enough, you end up at least being asked for top 10s.

Archgoat - Angelcunt (Tales of Desecration)
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Crematory - Denial
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Death - Spiritual Healing
Disgrace - Debts of Gods 7"
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane (don't argue with me.  it's black DEATH or whatever)
Divine Eve - As the Angels Weep
Gorement - Obsequies 7"
Grave - Into the Grave + 7"
Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
Macabre - Sinister Slaughter
Master - rehearsal demo 1985
Nunslaughter - One Night in Hell
Pungent Stench - For God Your Soul...
Uncanny - Splenium for Nyktophobia
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells, Shadows in the Deep
Utumno - Across the Horizon 1993

*I don't consider Bolt Thrower death metal. They'd hold a bunch of spots if I did.

** I know I'm missing the South American bit, but I'm mostly ignorant of that scene.

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old Immortal...

One of my favorite bands, Pure Holocaust and Blizzard Beasts are really good, but I think their second era stuff gets overlooked or too easily dismissed because it's different from the first four albums and not "true black metal" enough. At the Heart of Winter is probably my favorite but the last three albums are still solid (even Damned in Black).

One more recent band that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet is Negative Plane. The sound on their newest album is crazy, sounds like a live band playing inside a big cathedral. They got the old school vibe too. Recommended.

I actually got into metal and noise the same time.  without getting too specific about bands, i find myself really into Funeral Doom, Doom-Drone, Cascadian / Folk Black Metal and some Blackened Death / War Metal.   

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Quote from: Ashmonger on January 19, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
old Immortal...

One of my favorite bands, Pure Holocaust and Blizzard Beasts are really good, but I think their second era stuff gets overlooked or too easily dismissed because it's different from the first four albums and not "true black metal" enough. At the Heart of Winter is probably my favorite but the last three albums are still solid (even Damned in Black).

Yeah, new Immortal isn't bad either, but it's got more of an easy-listening feel to me.

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One more recent band that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet is Negative Plane. The sound on their newest album is crazy, sounds like a live band playing inside a big cathedral. They got the old school vibe too. Recommended.

YES. One of the best US black metal bands, next to Von, Leviathan and Havohej. And if we're talking modern USBM, next to Krallice one of the most invigourating and exciting bands.

Some early progressive death metal masters: Monstrosity, Gorguts, Ripping Corpse and Pestilence.  Amazing bands. Massively stoked for the new Gorguts. Never enjoyed the fusion-y stuff from Atheist & Cynic. Too nice.

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I rrecognize the name Feldgrau but I'm not sure if I ever knew it was his project. One or the other involved a woman too. I think? Wish I still had the tape; may think differently of it now.

I think Terror Organ turned into Feldgrau. I got the CD for free a while back when I placed an order from ADR/SSP. It's terrible.

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I like lists,

Who doesn't? I'm gonna make a list of the best lists I've ever made.

I've been really into the Unseen Terror album from 1987, Human Error. Old-school Grind with a lot more in common with Crossover than Death Metal. Citing Repulsion, Slayer, Insanity and American Hardcore as their influences. Two of the best songs of 1987 in my opinion are on this album...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFMCjBrRi54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1mX_OrPxGE

You heard Peel Sessions of Unseen Terror?
That simply crushes the album anytime.

Because of BBC grinding madness comp 3xCD, I think those tracks should be easily available.

The Grinding Madness at the BBC 3cd box (is there an LP of it?) is compulsory listening. Haven't dug into Unseen Terror enough, but the classic bands like Napalm death and Bolt Thrower and Godflesh are at their prime, = completely savage. Not too fond of ENT though.

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
You heard Peel Sessions of Unseen Terror?
That simply crushes the album anytime.

Because of BBC grinding madness comp 3xCD, I think those tracks should be easily available.

Yea I have the Peel Sessions too and they are just as good as this album. I like the recording/production of the LP though, it feels "rougher" or something.

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Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
You heard Peel Sessions of Unseen Terror?
That simply crushes the album anytime.

Because of BBC grinding madness comp 3xCD, I think those tracks should be easily available.

Yea I have the Peel Sessions too and they are just as good as this album. I like the recording/production of the LP though, it feels "rougher" or something.

I remember watching Shane from Unseen Terror playing in Napalm Death at Planet X in Liverpool in 1987. Jesus, I'm an old cunt.

From that era, I liked Carcass, Doom, Bolt Thrower, some Electro Hippies. So strange that it has all become legendary. I was at these bands' UK shows of the time and there were often maybe 30 people there, just like an average noise gig now.

It appears to be same with most of "extreme music". You see the USA grinders a'la Terrorizer playing for couple guys. VON or whoever. When Darkthrone played in Lahti, I don't think too huge audience in local youth house in early 90's.
There was occasional "revival" on genres, like punk shows of mid 90's attracting locally 400 people. Now if you can get 100 for weekend hc/punk show, it seems great audience. But STILL way better than many of the 10-20 people basement shows.


Top metal in few categories...  just to mention few...

technical & progressive (death/thrash)metal:
-Atheist "unquestionable presence" LP bought it when it came out, and worshipped since. It was good to see band gain new uprise, although at the same time old farts get annoyed by everybody supposedly being big fans, although didn't know nor care about band before Relapse re-issues came.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRhfl8zR-1w&feature=related

-Death "Human".. of course early albums always kick ass in field of brutal death metal, yet this is perhaps one more ambitious progressive releases which hardly can be copied unlike their approach on "leprocy" or such..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8vqGzUlyqE

doom metal:
-Unholy "From Shadows" CD. Follow up to head crushing "Trip To Depressive Autumn" demo, both these utterly unique. Very little to do with traditional doom, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvk_vs7RUSs

-Cathedral first 12" (=demo)and first LP. The good releases before they became much less good. Graverobbing retro doom rock before it became trendy. First 12" is heavy and dark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwBE4cY0QLI

thrash metal:
-Kreator - basically all albums till Extreme Aggression.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYL8QJgiIdk

-Demolition Hammer both albums. Don't know why exactly, but this pretty much ignored "bigger" band always appealed to me. Especially the merciless drum hammering and great way to deliver lyrics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv6XYkF-5z4

-Sadus, basically all. Fast technical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTAkxnFDwQ


Death Metal:
Immolation "Dawn of Possession", one of darkest and heaviest in USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icwNtcmqj8Y&feature=related

Deicide "s/t", good demo and debut, but didn't care much Legion or most crap that followed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKy2Va7Ds0

Entombed "left hand path". People of my generation in scandinavia could have not lived without being stabbed in face by popularity of Entombed - which they most definitely deserved. Album that can be listened any day any time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88okA0LN2YQ

Carnage 12", perhaps even heavier. Their best track linked below, which later was played as Dismember - who also did couple good albums early on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpMJCByK6jU

Autopsy all. Not too fond of new album, but original era is pure gold from start to finish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGACfUD0M-Q&feature=related

Morgoth "resurrection absurd", band often despised for their "socially aware lyrics". Guys with CRASS patches on leather jacket etc. But this 1989 demo pressed on vinyl was my first exposure for them. Played this particular track in highschool english class - where students could bring english sung music to be listened in end of class! HAHA!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSKlsTbmZs

Black Metal:
-Darkthrone "ABlaze In The Northern Sky", single most important metal album and the most listened in my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCMhJXN7g0

Beherit "Drawing Down the moon",
promo 1992 was total mind blowing, then came album with pure gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8zQSA2qvw

Goatlord "Reflections of the solstice". When I heard "Underground Church" from metal radio show, I hunted down the CD. Since then been my top favorite. Band got its huge "rebirth" of interest when for example Nunslaughter and Necros Christos guys started actively worship them and re-issues were made. Unfortunately this sample and re-issues are not the original Turbo music mix, but based on later JL America edition, which is cleaner and more sensible. Original chicken dance - bring back the chickens!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJmNdKhwaFY

Burzum "Filosofem" of course so legendary should not even be mentioned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bm-kdLwBVc&feature=related

Vlad Tepes/Belketre split, another band you rather not talk, due all the poser kids intervening to desecrate cult. When you purchased this original CD from small polish BM distributor in times when absolutely nobody wanted to even hear about "black legions", it made such impact, not even the new school black legions fan boy clowns can ruin it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltm15oUTXDw

Graveland "In The Glare of Burning Churches". Has Polish black metal ever been done better? Most definitely not by Graveland!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0s9DCDKI4


viking / pagan metal:

Bathory "hammerheart". This came to local library LP shelves and borrowed it. I had no idea what the fuck is this. Never heard metal like that before, and lets say pagan/viking metal basically starts and stops with Bathory for me. There is very little of what was done really did any good. Most pagan metal nowadays sucks ass big time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZMTMVzbt0&feature=related

"artistic" metal:
My Dying Bride first 12", I don't really like anything else what they did. Used to have debut album, but already that was little boring. This is massive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjsmTSgvaE&feature=related

Tiamat - when they were moving away from Death Metal sounds.. before they went all the way into lameness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e6Sid3KffQ


etc
etc.....

I leave out grindcore - as I associate it more with hc/punk. Most of categories could have dozens and dozens of bands to recommend, but in times of youtube and such... following links is so easy.

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 26, 2012, 07:24:19 PMMorgoth "resurrection absurd", band often despised for their "socially aware lyrics". Guys with CRASS patches on leather jacket etc. But this 1989 demo pressed on vinyl was my first exposure for them. Played this particular track in highschool english class - where students could bring english sung music to be listened in end of class! HAHA!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSKlsTbmZs

Hah, when I was fourteen (end of 90's), I brought a tape copy of Sadistik Exekution's KAOS to class. The look on the faces of just every other student was priceless!

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 26, 2012, 07:24:19 PM


thrash metal:
-Kreator - basically all albums till Extreme Aggression.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYL8QJgiIdk

I like the first 3 release, just up until Pleasure to Kill.

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-Sadus, basically all. Fast technical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTAkxnFDwQ

Illusions (Chemical Exposure) is such a good album. Didn't really like much after they signed to Roadrunner.

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Death Metal:

No Bolt Thrower or Possessed?

Both Thrower is good from start to... well, hard to say where exactly, but at some point it felt it is good, but repeating very much the same pattern. Possessed, two first vinyls of course.

As said, every category could have dozens of good names more... except pagan/viking?? hah..   In old death metal, it's nearly endless source. Asphyx?  Formerly unreleased first album still blew my mind when it came just handful of year ago, but worshipped since early 90's. Pestilence? Early Convulse? Dismember? Necrosanct? Pungent Stench? Couple early Edge Of sanity? Amorphis first 7"? Rippikoulu demos. Especially the first. But 2nd that came out on LP/CD last year is good too. Messiah early stuff is brutal thrash, "Choir of horrors" good clean death metal... As said, list could go on worth of forum of it own...

When we're on the subject... anyone here who performs or has performed in a metal band of any kind? Besides the obvious mr Aspa of course.

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 27, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
Asphyx?  Formerly unreleased first album still blew my mind when it came just handful of year ago, but worshipped since early 90's.

Thanks for the tip! Never heard of this one before. The Rack was a great album but already the second one a disappointment so I didn't really pay attention to releases that came out after that. Gotta check out Embrace The Death now.

aer you insane??
Last one on earth is some of the heavist shit ever!!_¨

What does everyone think of Power Metal? In general I don't like it. However, the USPM scene that was happening in the early 80's-mid 90's was great. USPM has a different sound than most Power Metal, generally these bands tended to have strong undertones of speed and thrash in their music, sometimes even "proto-Death", without being Thrash/Speed/Death Metal. The lyrical content tended to stray from the Dungeons & Dragons stuff to Satan and beer. Early Laaz Rockit, Helstar, Satan's Host, Liege Lord and Attacker are some of the more popular examples. Of course Europe has this style too, you can't really talk about Thrashy PM without thinking of early Helloween. And in Japan the band Crowley is a great example.

Been listening to quite a few good USPM bands from the 80's.

(http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/les%20goupes/S/Stormtrooper/Armies%20of%20the%20Night/Armies%20of%20the%20Night.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cRu7JHjuWJs/Si7UyTBE1lI/AAAAAAAAFsQ/OfkYHv8LOzw/s320/010.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pk4LejElh7Q/Trdg-izNEpI/AAAAAAAAAz0/OxpT7t5K9yE/s320/salem.jpg)

And my favorite...

(http://indivision.ca/imageland//stored_originals/2437158.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2b9foDD9XQ

great call on stormtrooper, that record is incredible.

I remember alot of the power metal from the '80s but most of it I didn't like due to the vocals. Now, I kind of like it but none of it I'd listen to very often. Not sure if they fall into the power metal genre but that LP on NWN from KAT is pretty awesome.

I remember having this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TRvPJBQFA&feature=related

Didn't like it back then b/c of the vocals...

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 01, 2012, 01:52:08 AM
I didn't like due to the vocals

Ditto. I'll have to investigate some of those groups that Ryan mentioned because they may be more to my liking, but for lack of a better term I've always thought Power Metal was really fucking gay. Haha. Clean operatic singing, over-the-top epicness that becomes cheesy, and of course guys with long permed hair wearing colorful silk tunics. Right or wrong, I also associate it with lame shit like hyper-speed finger tapping solos and being overly technical just for the sake of showing off

(http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/n/g/ngny6bwl3gdzzdl.jpg)

The only modern power metal band anyone would ever need.

I bet those guys trade hair care tips while at band practice.

lol

The term Power Metal was definitely something different before now. I first read the term on the sleeve notes of Venom's "Possessed" album ("Power Metal/Neat Music Publishers"). I seem to recall a band called Liege Lord calling themselves Power Metal as well.

Yes, in the reissue of Black Metal you see a quote where it says to call Venom black metal or power metal - heavy metal was at that time for fags I guess, wankers like Def Leppard and Van Halen had probably usurped the term at that point. Don't know when thrash and speed metal labels entered the common metal parlour. Too bad evil metal (Death SS) and witching metal (Sodom) didn't catch on.

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 01, 2012, 01:52:08 AM
I remember alot of the power metal from the '80s but most of it I didn't like due to the vocals. Now, I kind of like it but none of it I'd listen to very often. Not sure if they fall into the power metal genre but that LP on NWN from KAT is pretty awesome.

Kat is fucking great. I don't know what it would really be either. I guess just Traditional Heavy Metal for the most part, although a lot of people consider it to be part of the First Wave of Black Metal but I don't really agree with that (same with Mercyful Fate being labeled as such).

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I remember having this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TRvPJBQFA&feature=related

Didn't like it back then b/c of the vocals...

I hate those vocals too. Another band with horrid Power Metal styled vocals and great music was Blood Money (close names too):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFqN_OjTYJQ

If you can deal with the big vocals of power metal, I have to believe there are some fans of the first two Queensryche releases.

There are a few vocalists in Power Metal who are decent or good. The guy from Salem's Wych has a Danzig vibe going on sometimes, and Attacker (at least on "Battle At Helm's Deep") and Dark Age sound like pretty basic Speed Metal vocalists, something like Exciter maybe. But that is common for the old USPM scene, they weren't so over the top and operatic as their European counterparts.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 03, 2012, 05:36:40 AM
If you can deal with the big vocals of power metal, I have to believe there are some fans of the first two Queensryche releases.

That first EP (the lady wore black?) is actually pretty damn good.

I'm also among those having difficulties to stomach big vocals but Marco Hietala (Nightwish fame these days) did truly magnificent job with early Tarot. According to rumors mr. Hietala was among the top candidates when Maiden were looking for a substitute to mr. Dickinson. Finnish heavy metal was considered no more than a big joke back in the 80's and Tarot pretty much changed the view overnight with this track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_qsBD9b-Cw

Still remember the impact when it was broadcast for the first time. Their debut album Spell of Iron is highly recommended to anyone interested in NWOBHM style material with good songwriting and powerful vocals. The first pressing of the album came with a 1-sided oddball 7":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ_QJCnJHz0

Quote from: Henrik III on February 03, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
Finnish heavy metal was considered no more than a big joke back in the 80's

I've been digging around the old Finnish scene lately and have found some gems and, like with any scene, I found some utterly horrible stuff as well.

The Abhorrence S/T EP is beyond good, it pretty much gave birth to the Finnish DM style. I'm sure there are a few people here reading this that are not from Finland or are not familiar with that term and just don't understand what I mean by it, what is the Finnish DM style? Primitive and gloomy, the tone is dirty and Guitars and downtuned, sewage sludge riffing that creates a super heavy and murky atmosphere. That is Finnish DM. Other good Finnish DM bands are Carnifex (their Decadence tape is so underrated), Curse who is a personal favorite of mine and I suggest downloading or buying Satanic Dominion from 1993, C.O.D., Demigod (my favorite is Slumber of Sullen Eyes), Depravity (Silence of The Centuries is incredible), Lie in Ruins and of course the great Convulse.

Outside of the Death Metal genre there are some other good Finnish acts. There is obviously Beherit and Archgoat and Mikko's projects but I won't mention those outside of this sentence. Barathrum is one of my personal favorites from Finland, super heavy and groovy in the good way, highly reminiscent of old Greek BM like early Samael and Rotting Christ. Reverend Bizarre is hit or miss, Black Crucifixion, Deathchain (solid Deathrash), Frozen Tear (melodic Death/Doom), and Messiah Paratroops (raw Deathrash).

Abhorrence rules. Also pretty much everything Demilich did is awesome.

It's interesting to see almost no one mentions any releases from the mid-90s onwards. I wonder why that is? My first love in music was extreme metal (death & black and some grindcore) when I was in high school, 1996 to 2000. Naturally, I liked a lot of albums that were released at that time or in the early 90s. Most of that stuff I no longer like, but some albums are still standouts for me and no one has mentioned them here, such as Pierced from Within by Suffocation, Ravishing Grimness by Darkthrone, Rebel Extravaganza by Satyricon, the s/t album by Thorns, Wolfs Lair Abyss by Mayhem, Formulas Fatal to the Flesh by Morbid Angel, the first Zyklon album... and to include grindcore too, The Inalienable Dreamless by Discordance Axis, the Gridlink albums or Honky Reduction by Agoraphobic Nosebleed...
I haven't been following the extreme metal scene for more than a decade now, but there surely must be great albums that continue to push and widen boundaries. Or am I wrong?
I suppose most people writing in this thread became metals fans in the 80s and they like the atmosphere of metal albums from that time (obviously stuff from later decades doesn't have that aura any more). I've personally found only some 80s albums that I like: Slayer's albums from Reign in Blood onwards, for example. I never liked "classic" albums exactly due to their 80s "vibe". I mean stuff like the first 2 Morbid Angel albums, the first Slayer (the second one is OK), the first 3 Death albums, early Obituary etc... I guess if I were "raised" on them, I might think differently (though this is no guarantee), but having been exposed to (in my view) better written/better produced/better played, more extreme metal first for me means I just can't appreciate what others consider classics. And I won't even mention the (again, for me) laughable album covers, song and album titles and band images of the 80s.

Quote from: acsenger on February 04, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
I haven't been following the extreme metal scene for more than a decade now, but there surely must be great albums that continue to push and widen boundaries. Or am I wrong?

Oh yea there are plenty of good albums released within the past 5-6 years. Some of my favorite bands that are active are Midnight (Satanic Royalty is brilliant), Perversor does some awesome reverb soaked South American Deathrash, bands like Portrait and In Solitude take the classic NWOBHM/Trad Metal sounds (both bands draw inspiration mainly from Mercyful Fate) and bring them into the 21st century. Teitanblood is universally praised. Vektor is amazing Technical/Progressive Thrash that is reminiscent of mid-era Voivod or Coroner with rasp vocals and a 21st century sound to it with far better production than anything that could be done in the 80's.

QuoteI never liked "classic" albums exactly due to their 80s "vibe". I mean stuff like the first 2 Morbid Angel albums, the first Slayer (the second one is OK), the first 3 Death albums, early Obituary etc... I guess if I were "raised" on them, I might think differently (though this is no guarantee), but having been exposed to (in my view) better written/better produced/better played, more extreme metal first for me means I just can't appreciate what others consider classics. And I won't even mention the (again, for me) laughable album covers, song and album titles and band images of the 80s.

I wasn't raised on these types of albums. Actually the first Metal albums I got were Emperor's In the Nightside Eclipse, some stupid Old Man's Child album and Bathory Blood, Fire, Death CD, from the Virgin megastore in Vegas when I was just hitting 6th grade. I heard of a lot of the bands I listen to now referred to as influences to the bands I was listening to back then. Venom, the first 2 Sodom releases, Hellhammer, Onslaught, Slaughter, the first Destruction EP, etc. And when I heard them I knew that is what I liked. It was stripped down and simplistic, dirty as hell and usually with clear Punk undercurrents and I was raised on stuff like The Exploited, Discharge and Subhumans so for me it was the natural evolution, the clear next step. (My favorite Metal albums are in a list I made and posted in the first post but in case you, and others, didn't catch it here it is:)

http://rateyourmusic.com/lists/list_view?list_id=321379&show=50&start=0

You really don't like Slayer's first two albums? Man, Show No Mercy is my favorite by them, it is just an overall awesome Metal record. I would be curious to know if you like any of the material I have on my list?

QuoteYou really don't like Slayer's first two albums? Man, Show No Mercy is my favorite by them, it is just an overall awesome Metal record.

Well, I gotta give them another listen as it's been a while since I heard them, but I definitely remember not liking Show No Mercy and kinda liking Hell Awaits. But I'll listen to them again.

QuoteI would be curious to know if you like any of the material I have on my list?

Sadly, I don't know 98% of them... here's what I do know: the first 2 Bathory which I quite liked actually. I might have heard the third one too but I don't remember. And then there's that video from their Viking period (Road to Asa Bay or something) which I found shocking both music- and visuals-wise. Venom's Black Metal was one of the first CDs I owned (this was in '97 or '98) and I liked it then but sold it later... I remember eventually liking early Bathory more when it came to early black metal and thinking Black Metal was too much of a "joke" record. Again, I haven't heard that album in close to 15 years. I have Hellhammer's Apocalyptic Raids; I appreciate it for its historic importance, but I very rarely put it on. I recently downloaded Those Once Loyal by Bolt Thrower and I enjoy that album. I don't know anything else by them.

QuoteIt was stripped down and simplistic, dirty as hell and usually with clear Punk undercurrents

It's clear indeed then why you like these bands. With a few exceptions, I've always wanted more variety in terms of structures and general musicality in the music styles I like/liked, but I understand your point. Nevertheless, I'd be curious to hear the albums on your list (even though the covers already give me an idea I probably wouldn't like them :)), so I'll probably listen to a couple and see how I go.

Quote from: acsenger on February 04, 2012, 07:33:33 AM
Nevertheless, I'd be curious to hear the albums on your list (even though the covers already give me an idea I probably wouldn't like them :)), so I'll probably listen to a couple and see how I go.

Haha, the cheesy 80's Metal artwork? To me that is just another bonus! I love the style of 80's Metal art.

The 90's were great too, the art started to get deeper and more technical especially with DM, which, when you think about it, it really fits the music which started to get faster, colorful and more technical. I mean look at the album art to albums like Effigy of the Forgotten by Suffocation, The Key by Nocturnus and Transcend the Rubicon by Benediction just to name a few out of about a hundred thousand. Amazing stuff. But I still prefer skeletons with mohawks and nukes blowing off in the background!

QuoteI mean look at the album art to albums like Effigy of the Forgotten by Suffocation, The Key by Nocturnus and Transcend the Rubicon by Benediction just to name a few out of about a hundred thousand.

Yeah, I agree (and by the way, I really like the music on Effigy of the Forgotten). However, I've personally "grown out" of the whole metal image thing, including the album covers, so I don't like 99% of them. Then again, to a metal fan the covers surely add to the whole vibe of it (especially with 80s covers -- I might just go through your list again and check those covers out thoroughly for the fun of it :)).
Regarding album artwork/titles, I got into noise, then other kinds of experimental music after my metal phase, and I found when it comes to dark subject matter in noise/industrial/PE, it's basically always presented and handled in a realistic and therefore much more frightening way than on metal album covers and in album/song titles & lyrics. But I guess in metal the goals are different.
To say something positive :), off the top of my head some metal album artworks I like are Marduk's later albums and Deathspell Omega's albums. Some of the Shining album covers are great too (I think the 4th one has a little girl on it).

no one into this?

(http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/covers/overkill-feel-the-fire.jpg)

Quote from: acsenger on February 04, 2012, 06:39:45 AM
It's interesting to see almost no one mentions any releases from the mid-90s onwards. I wonder why that is?
[...]
I suppose most people writing in this thread became metals fans in the 80s and they like the atmosphere of metal albums from that time

Pretty much so but also I'd consider 80's as the golden age of metal: a lot of new ground was covered and fresh directions taken (also many dead ends found), intercontinental enthusiasm and eventually many classics were made. Many of my current favorites I have discovered (or rediscovered) much later. Still plenty of relevant stuff is certainly made all the time. Some (semi-)recent records/bands I personally rate very high (from top of my head, there's certainly more) would be Repugnant Epitome of Darkness (it has nearly Ikea/H&M touch to it but still irresistibly good), Katharsis VVorldVVithourEnd, Excoriate On Pestilent Winds, Candlemass Death Magic Doom and certain things by Urfaust.

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 03, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
That is Finnish DM. Other good Finnish DM bands are Carnifex (their Decadence tape is so underrated), Curse who is a personal favorite of mine and I suggest downloading or buying Satanic Dominion from 1993, C.O.D., Demigod (my favorite is Slumber of Sullen Eyes), Depravity (Silence of The Centuries is incredible), Lie in Ruins and of course the great Convulse.

Some interesting and even unorthodox picks here (C.O.D., OMG!!). Would certainly recommend to give a try to (early) Disgrace, they match fairly well with the definition of Finnish Death Metal (TM) and had fairly unique approach (very interesting riffs and arrangements with high-school intelligenzia poetry) on their last demo and first record. A lot of their early stuff was just reissued by Svart.

A good deal of metal makes my "best of the year" lists, but the recent stuff hasn't been tested by time.  I can't list them as favorites (most of the time) just yet.

Animus - Poems for the Aching, Swords for the Infuriated
Antediluvian - Revelations in Excrement
Bunkur - Bludgeon
Burial Invocation - Rituals of the Grotesque
Dead Congregation - Graves of the Archangels
Funebrarum - Beneath the Columns of Abandoned Gods
Katharsis - VVorld VVithout End
Negative Plane - both albums
Teitanblood - Seven Chalices
Virus - all
Vorum - Grim Death Awaits

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
Virus - all

You mean the norwegian Virus? Never heard Virus but was listening to Ved Buens Ende the other day, first time probably since 90's. It had aged much better than could have expected, especially guitar work is quite damn nice (and slightly clumsy drumming is maybe the weakest link). Any recommendations which Virus to check first?

Quote from: Henrik III on February 06, 2012, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
Virus - all

You mean the norwegian Virus? Never heard Virus but was listening to Ved Buens Ende the other day, first time probably since 90's. It had aged much better than could have expected, especially guitar work is quite damn nice (and slightly clumsy drumming is maybe the weakest link). Any recommendations which Virus to check first?

I'd start at the beginning.  Only three albums.  If pressed to pick a favorite, I'd say The Black Flux.

I know there are quite a few Neurosis fans out there, so just wanted to pass along that Relapse is reissuing Souls at Zero and Enemy of the Sun on 180gram 2LP. Coming out in a week. $30 is kinda expensive but it beats paying around $100 for an original.

Now they just need to reissue Times of Grace.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2012, 07:53:58 PM

Quote from: Henrik III on February 06, 2012, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
Virus - all

You mean the norwegian Virus? Never heard Virus but was listening to Ved Buens Ende the other day, first time probably since 90's. It had aged much better than could have expected, especially guitar work is quite damn nice (and slightly clumsy drumming is maybe the weakest link). Any recommendations which Virus to check first?

I'd start at the beginning.  Only three albums.  If pressed to pick a favorite, I'd say The Black Flux.

The opposite here actually, I find Black Flux the least interesting; Carheart and The Agents that Shape the Desert outranks it completely in my ears. Have you heard the 7" that accompanied the new LP? The Walker Brothers cover wasn't too bad actually, and the b-side track "Seen in the sediments" outshone the whole album actually.

Not that I would actually consider VIRUS a metal band, though... but the material from VED BUENS ENDE is among the best music ever released, period.

I'm making a "Complete Metal Sub-Genre" list just for the fuck of it. Yes I know it is a fruitless endeavor and some people dislike compartmentalizing music but I feel like it should be done and I, personally, like cataloging and making lists of stuff especially when it comes to music. This is the list so far, I will be adding descriptions and bands to each sub-genre but for now I just need you guys to point out any genres I missed or that you feel should not be on here (those genres which I am having a problem with classifying as Metal or just don't like are located at the bottom of the list, labeled as "The Junk Genres" and stuff like "pornogrind", space metal or "horror death" are sub-sub-genres which I don't think should be looked into. Regional styles are a toss up as well, i.e. Greek Black Metal, Teutonic/German Thrash, etc.), suggest stuff, etc.

QuoteULTIMATE METAL GENRE LIST
_______________
Hard Rock
Heavy Metal/Trad
N.W.O.B.H.M.
Progressive Metal
Traditional Doom
Neo-Classical Metal
Power Metal
Speed Metal
U.S.P.M.
Thrash Metal
Crust
Crossover
Grindcore
Deathrash
First Wave of Black Metal/Blackened Thrash
Black Metal
Viking Metal
Symphonic Metal
Dark Ambient
Industrial Metal
D.S.B.M.
Blackened Death
Raw Black Metal
War/Bestial Metal
Melodic Death Metal (A.K.A. Gothenbug Sound)
Death N Roll
Tech Death
Groove Metal
Brutal Death Metal
Death Doom
Funeral Droom
Sludge
Drone
Post-Metal
Folk Metal
Gothic
Alternative Metal
Djent Metal
Avant Garde Metal
New Wave of American Heavy Metal


THE JUNK GENRE POOL
___________
Glam Metal/Hair Metal
Grunge
Metalcore
Mathcore
Chiptune
Trance Metal
Nu-Metal/Rap Metal

Sarcofago "I.N.R.I."
Marduk "Panzer Division Marduk"
Kreator "Pleasure To Kill"
Mayhem "De Myisteriis Dom Satanas"
Slayer "Reign In Blood"
Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss"
Graveland "Following The Voice Of Blood"
Darkthrone "Transylvanian Hunger"
Morbid Angel "Altars Of Madness"
Black Sabbath "Paranoid"

Djent Metal
New Wave of American Heavy Metal

What the hell is Djent Metal?
Never heard of NWOAHM either. Pretty sure that's a good thing.

Djent is shit, pretty much coined by Meshugga (other bands are Monument, Uneven Structure and other shit bands). Weird time signatures, progressive but heavier than usual prog. "Named after a guitar tone made when a two octave power chord is being palm muted".

New Wave of American is probably the worst thing to ever happen to Metal but still is considered metal by some (barely). It started in 2001-ish and pretty much encompass' every crap genre American has spawned since then, but usually has to do with bands like Mastadon, Slipknot, Bleeding Through, Damageplan, crap, crap, etc. Pretty much just popular Metal that is harder to categorize but is what most people would probably just refer to as Mallcore.

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 14, 2012, 04:15:03 AM
Djent is shit, pretty much coined by Meshugga (other bands are Monument, Uneven Structure and other shit bands). Weird time signatures, progressive but heavier than usual prog. "Named after a guitar tone made when a two octave power chord is being palm muted".

Actually, it was coined by Meshuggah fanboys who masturbate thinking about the thickness of Fredrik Thordendahl's strings. Then people started applying it the past year or two to every band who rip off Meshuggah's trademark sound. Heard a bunch of bands that try to combine what is good with Meshuggah (the cold, mechanical structures) but making it more "musical" (=ripping of CYNIC's lame melodies). They all sucked. And the ones who only go for the technical aspect miss out everything. That is, "djent" is as dumb as it sounds. When I first saw the term I thought it might be related to djembe - a first wave of African metal, with native instruments? THAT would be something. Not this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4h0rlWX5lM.

What about CRABCORE? Haha. New wave of new wave of American pseudometal bullshit.

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 14, 2012, 04:15:03 AM
New Wave of American is probably the worst thing to ever happen to Metal but still is considered metal by some (barely). It started in 2001-ish and pretty much encompass' every crap genre American has spawned since then, but usually has to do with bands like Mastadon, Slipknot, Bleeding Through, Damageplan, crap, crap, etc. Pretty much just popular Metal that is harder to categorize but is what most people would probably just refer to as Mallcore.

Seems like a pretty broad category by your description. When I first read "New Wave of American Heavy Metal" I thought of bands like The Sword and other new D&D/fantasy metal favored by hipsters. If that many different bands fall under that banner it seems like a worthless categorization (tells you about as much as just calling them "metal").

I remember one time in college during German class, the guy who sat in front of me turned around and said, "You going to the Disturbed concert tonight?" My response was a disgusted look on my face and gave him the thumbs down. He was confused and asked, "I thought you liked metal?" *facepalm*

Quote from: RG

I remember one time in college during German class, the guy who sat in front of me turned around and said, "You going to the Disturbed concert tonight?" My response was a disgusted look on my face and gave him the thumbs down. He was confused and asked, "I thought you liked metal?" *facepalm*

Christ I hate that. At my last apartment some guy came home with my roommate and was chilling with me and was like "so what music do you like"? So I said "Metal" and he was like "what kind?" so I told him Thrash and some Black Metal, at which point he says "Black Metal is not Metal!". I was like wtf and he started to say that "bands like Bleeding Through aren't really Metal" and started to talk about how "In Flames is good and Metal" so I just started getting mad at him and explained that I didn't listen to Bleeding Through and that they aren't Black Metal and he should get his genres right and I mentioned Celtic Frost at some point so the faggot corrects the word "Celtic" saying I said it wrong (he didn't even know who the band was) so I snapped and went off on him about "coming into my house trying to correct me" and pretty much tried to fight him so he finally shut the fuck up and left. I still get mad when I think about that.

Seltic or Keltic? Seems Seltic only applies to the soccer team.

QuoteRaw Black Metal
War/Bestial Metal
Melodic Death Metal (A.K.A. Gothenbug Sound)
Death N Roll
Tech Death
Groove Metal
Brutal Death Metal

Now this is what I don't like about subgenre-categorization. It becomes tautological. I understand why there is need to put a band like DEVOURMENT in a different set than DEATH BREATH, obviously, but brutal death metal... death metal is brutal in itself. Black metal is raw. It's part of the basic classification. Of course, from a pragmatic point of view that doesn't hold up, but I remember two "fans" debating whether an old band of mine were "technical" or "brutal" death metal. Both and neither was the proper answer I suppose, I'm not to judge that + I don't care, but the whole debate just turns ludicrous when you reach that level. Hard to think of any good bands that fit in only one of these categories.

Btw, what's the difference between "symphonic metal" and "neo-classical"? S.M = Therion-like stuff, N-C.M = Malmsteen wank?

Quote from: ARKHE on February 15, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
Seltic or Keltic? Seems Seltic only applies to the soccer team.

I said Keltic but he was saying it is actually "Seltic" and kept saying the name of the some dumb language.

Quote

Now this is what I don't like about subgenre-categorization. It becomes tautological. I understand why there is need to put a band like DEVOURMENT in a different set than DEATH BREATH, obviously, but brutal death metal... death metal is brutal in itself. Black metal is raw. It's part of the basic classification. Of course, from a pragmatic point of view that doesn't hold up, but I remember two "fans" debating whether an old band of mine were "technical" or "brutal" death metal. Both and neither was the proper answer I suppose, I'm not to judge that + I don't care, but the whole debate just turns ludicrous when you reach that level. Hard to think of any good bands that fit in only one of these categories.

Btw, what's the difference between "symphonic metal" and "neo-classical"? S.M = Therion-like stuff, N-C.M = Malmsteen wank?

Don't know really. I just gathered all the genres I know of, collected them to this list and see where it goes. I don't listen to either so it is hard for me to classify those two. I'm sure there are differences but probably very subtle like the differences between Noise and PE to the casual listener is probably impossible to identify but 75% of the members of this board can probably give a fairly decent depiction of each.

New LP from Christian Mistress on Relapse. Looking forward to getting it. Got their previous LP from Ajna who told me I'd hate it but I didn't. I like the Iron Maiden-kinda sound & the female vocalist.

Also will be getting the dbl LP from Vestal Claret. Liked what I've heard. I like the two Hour of 13 LPs too. Fave song on the second LP is "Naked Star".

Got 3 Motörhead albums from my girlfriend yesterday (Another Perfect Day, Orgasmatron & Ace Of Spades). 3 steps closer to owning all Motörhead albums. There aren't too many bands of which I want to own all albums, especially not when they're as long running as Motörhead, but I'll gladly make an exception for Motörhead. I'm far from constantly listening to them (mostly listening to more extreme stuff), but there's some voice in my head that keeps repeating that Motörhead is the best band ever and I'm not even willing to discuss that, hehe!

How about Tank, you like them? Filth Hounds Of Hades is one of the best NWOBHM/Speed Metal albums from the early 80's.

Two albums I have been constantly listening to the last few days...

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/6/8/9/689.jpg)
Such a solid album. A perfect mix of the early "proto-Death" stuff of that time like Possessed or the Xecutioner demo's (who would come Obituary years later) and the greatest Teutonic Thrash albums like Kreator's Endless Pain and the first 2 Sodom releases specifically In The Sign Of Evil. Fast riffing, fast drumming, fast ranting Slayer-like vocals and dirty, sloppy production that adds a great atmosphere to the entire album. If you get this LP then you probably will also get their first release (unless you buy the original Cogumelo pressing), a split with Overdose titled Bestial Devastation that is pure Thrash in the vein of the bands mentioned before.

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/9/8/6/986.jpg)
When it comes to early Thrash albums that would influence, or even create, the Death Metal genre I actually like this album the most, even better than Seven Churches. Infectious and sickening riffs and leads that are technical but not in the dumb "progressive" way, fast drumming and one of my favorite DM vocalists.

"Filth Hounds Of Hades is one of the best"

Agreed.

I have a Pestilence tape, I think. Not the rel pictured, probably their debut. Has a man's face covered in ants or something like that. I'm assuming it's the same band.

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/0/1/2/1012.jpg)

Yea it is the same Pestilence. The one I posted was their first LP the one you have is their second full length titled "Consuming Impulse" and is regarded by most as being their best album and is pretty much when they went to full on Death Metal and ditched a lot of their Thrash tendencies of the material in the first LP which was the one I posted. Both LPs are great but I prefer their Thrash, first wave DM sound.

You guys a fan of Scream Bloody Gore? The best Death album is my opinion and I know a lot of people disagree with me citing Leprosy which I don't listen to much at all. SBG is, like the Pestilence and Sepultura albums, a little more Thrash oriented and has a primitive feeling but not because of production, which is actually quite good, but in the atmospherics. The S/T Master LP is a great piece of early Death Metal too. Never really got into Necrovore's Divus De Mortuus tape like everyone else seems to love. I mean it is good but they seemed to be trying to toss one too many things in all at once while somehow still being repetitive.

PESTILENCE were elite all the way through; even Spheres had its moments. They managed to balance their space-progressive leanings with their aggressive death/thrash origins like few others (if only they'd skip all the intros on Testimony) - much like early MONSTROSITY or GORGUTS, to name two slightly younger bands. They still rip the heads of the competition live these days, Mameli's voice is one of the rawest in the genre, but I was disappointed by the faceless riffs & clinical production of the newest album.

Still own "Scream Bloody Gore" LP I bought in Killeen TX. "Leprosy"  was good too. I think I had the tape but it's long gone. "S.B.G." is definitely their best.

I use to know one of the members in  Necrovore. Spoke to him on the phone a few times. I had the demos back then but they've been traded away. I do have a boot cd with them & someone else. Recently saw a LP that looked nice; I think it said masters were used? Someone else I knew said Necrovore's Latin was waaaaaaay off.

Agree on Master too. I have the LP From Beyond released in early or mid-2000's.

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 23, 2012, 07:37:03 PM
How about Tank, you like them? Filth Hounds Of Hades is one of the best NWOBHM/Speed Metal albums from the early 80's.

I only know their 'Laughing in the Face of Death' track which is on the Metal Battle compilation and remember I liked it. Maybe I should visit a second hand vinyl store again after years and look for that album you're talking about. That Metal Battle compilation is really nice by the way, should play it again. Don't think it has any exclusive songs, but still, having Raven, Anvil, Venom, Satan... and being released in '83 it can't be bad of course, hehe.

Speaking of NWOBHM bands with Speed, any fans of Acid? The second LP Maniac is so fucking catchy all the way through. I can really only think of a handful of great female Metal singers (Battlefield and Sacrilege are the only I can get off the top of my head right now) and the chick from Acid is the best. Maybe it isn't for everyone, especially if you are into rasp/growls and not clean vocals.

QuoteI only know their 'Laughing in the Face of Death' track which is on the Metal Battle compilation and remember I liked it. Maybe I should visit a second hand vinyl store again after years and look for that album you're talking about. That Metal Battle compilation is really nice by the way, should play it again. Don't think it has any exclusive songs, but still, having Raven, Anvil, Venom, Satan... and being released in '83 it can't be bad of course, hehe.

Yea I would suggest you at least download that one or listen to some tracks on youtube ("Turn Your Head Around" is a pure classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rK4jE-gOA ). Speaking of compilations anyone like the Warfare Noise series? The first one was great but II had Aamonhammer and Magthrash. I swear Brazil and Germany were fucking masters, what the hell happened there?

I have the Warfare Noise cd but did not know there was a 2nd volume.

It's too bad there are not more metal comps with exclusive tracks nowadays. A friend was trying to do something basd on Gilles de Rais but couldnt' get the few acts he wanted to get their shit together. It was going to include a small bag of dirt from de Rais castle (he got me a keychain from the gift shop!).

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 24, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
I have the Warfare Noise cd but did not know there was a 2nd volume.

It's too bad there are not more metal comps with exclusive tracks nowadays. A friend was trying to do something basd on Gilles de Rais but couldnt' get the few acts he wanted to get their shit together. It was going to include a small bag of dirt from de Rais castle (he got me a keychain from the gift shop!).

A GDR comp would be fucking great! That is a shame it never came too. Oh well.

Yea the second Warfare Noise album was put out in 1988 on the same label and featured Witchhammer, Megathrash, Aamonhammer and Mayhem (obviously the Brazilian Mayhem). Witchhammer is my favorite, they have an "Obsessed by Cruelty" sound to them (and they are named off a track on that album) and they play pretty tight, some sloppy moments like their solos but for me it adds to the atmosphere. THe Brazilian Mayhem is decent too with fast, open riffing but the teenage yapping "vocals" get on my nerves a bit.

There is even a Warfare Noise III. I haven't heard it and I don't know if I want to. It was released in 1990:  http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Razeforce_-_Grey_Flow_-_Butcher_-_Disease/Warfare_Noise_III/53455 I don't care for any of the bands mentioned or haven't heard them. Disease is the only one I have heard and their Demo the following year sucked ass.

We seem to have pretty similar tastes. What is your favorite Brazilian record/bands, bite? For me "Morbid Visions" as mentioned before is a perfectLP all the way through. I can't think of many other albums that I like more than that LP as far as Thrash and early Death Metal is concerned (maybe "Seven Churches" and "Obsessed By Cruelty" but that's it). And Mutilation's fucking awesome "Immortal Force" is another album that I would not sell from my collection ever. I kinda like "Campo de Extermínio" too and I know a ton of people hate it, but there is something my ears appreciate in that album. But I don't know if it would even be in my top 50 though. I don't like any of the other Holocausto material either. Centurias - "Última Noite" is a pretty nice traditional Metal EP from way back in 1986 Brazil.

There is a Documentary coming out about the Brazilian Metal scene. It tends to focus a lot on the more traditional Heavy Metal and Speed Metal bands but they dive into Thrash and Death here and there too (Sepultura is obviously a huge focus, Korzus, Vulcano and Overdose are some of the more extreme bands talked about in depth). Here is the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YeH1xtXn-c

And the website:
http://www.brasilheavymetal.com.br/

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 14, 2012, 04:15:03 AM
Djent is shit, pretty much coined by Meshugga (other bands are Monument, Uneven Structure and other shit bands). Weird time signatures, progressive but heavier than usual prog. "Named after a guitar tone made when a two octave power chord is being palm muted".


Actually, it was coined by Meshuggah fanboys who masturbate thinking about the thickness of Fredrik Thordendahl's strings. Then people started applying it the past year or two to every band who rip off Meshuggah's trademark sound. Heard a bunch of bands that try to combine what is good with Meshuggah (the cold, mechanical structures) but making it more "musical" (=ripping of CYNIC's lame melodies). They all sucked. And the ones who only go for the technical aspect miss out everything. That is, "djent" is as dumb as it sounds. When I first saw the term I thought it might be related to djembe - a first wave of African metal, with native instruments? THAT would be something. Not this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4h0rlWX5lM.

Meshuggah is still the shit though

Quote from: Human Larvae on February 24, 2012, 11:58:46 PM

Quote from: RyanWreck on February 14, 2012, 04:15:03 AM
Djent is shit, pretty much coined by Meshugga (other bands are Monument, Uneven Structure and other shit bands). Weird time signatures, progressive but heavier than usual prog. "Named after a guitar tone made when a two octave power chord is being palm muted".


Actually, it was coined by Meshuggah fanboys who masturbate thinking about the thickness of Fredrik Thordendahl's strings. Then people started applying it the past year or two to every band who rip off Meshuggah's trademark sound. Heard a bunch of bands that try to combine what is good with Meshuggah (the cold, mechanical structures) but making it more "musical" (=ripping of CYNIC's lame melodies). They all sucked. And the ones who only go for the technical aspect miss out everything. That is, "djent" is as dumb as it sounds. When I first saw the term I thought it might be related to djembe - a first wave of African metal, with native instruments? THAT would be something. Not this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4h0rlWX5lM.

Meshuggah is still the shit though

The ending of "Elastic" is monstrous.

Meshuggah was the shits indeed when I started discovering more extreme metal, Chaosphere (1998) in particular. Too bad the fanbase has turned into nothing but calculating pseudo-wise philosophers (who also form their trendy djent bands).

Speaking of "Elastic", perhaps this song was a latent trigger in rising my interest in noise, eh? 6:00 and onwards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwaw5Mmh-E

some traditional brazilian metal favourites :

VÍRUS :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkr9DqJdb0&feature=related

SALÁRIO MÍNIMO :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fiVJB0vQmo&feature=related

KAMIKAZE :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnA_hB2o9Lg&feature=related

and here is a very nice documentary for those into the minas gerais scene, some great footage, but unfortunately I don´t think there are any subtitles for this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlle0C9lAQ

Quote from: Vehemency on February 25, 2012, 01:32:11 PM
Meshuggah was the shits indeed when I started discovering more extreme metal, Chaosphere (1998) in particular. Too bad the fanbase has turned into nothing but calculating pseudo-wise philosophers (who also form their trendy djent bands).

every genre has it's turn getting pulled into the dirt by it's fanbase at some point. At least Meshuggah haven't gone to shit with them

Agreed

Yea, I mean they aren't all that bad of a band (they know how to play their shit, no one can argue that) but I wouldn't buy their shit. I've always seen being "weird", or technical or "difficult" just for the sake of it, lame. Most of their material is complete "wankery", the epitome of overdramatiscized "talent". The rhythm loves his groovy riffs and triplets, the drummer utilizes poly-rhythms with little bass-drum work (POLKA!) Aimless mathcore stumbling with groove. No thank you.

Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned Japan's Coffins or Anatomia but fuckkk yeah.

I mean Anatomia is basically Japan's answer to Autopsy. Which fucking rules.

And I don't know if anyone ever used to listen to Hellchild but they laid the groundwork for a lot of the good Japanese metal bands around today. Especially with albums Where the Conflict Reaches and Circulating Contradictions.

Coffins has the worst guitar tone I've heard in years.  WalMart's budget version of Celtic Frost effects.  So plastic and weak.

Has anyone ever told you that you are a bit of a drama queen? Coffins guitar-tone is no better or no worse than 1000 other bands.

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 29, 2012, 12:21:24 AMCoffins guitar-tone is no better or no worse than 1000 other bands.

To my ears, it stands out as something particular as well as something bad.  There are obviously other bands with shitty guitar tone or horrible choice in production values, but Coffins is unique because of how poorly it works with their riff style (Celtic Frost aping).  I've tried a few of their albums, too.  I remember Mortuary in Darkness being the worst in this regard, but I found all of them shared similar shittiness to some degree.

QuoteYea, I mean they aren't all that bad of a band (they know how to play their shit, no one can argue that) but I wouldn't buy their shit. I've always seen being "weird", or technical or "difficult" just for the sake of it, lame. Most of their material is complete "wankery", the epitome of overdramatiscized "talent". The rhythm loves his groovy riffs and triplets, the drummer utilizes poly-rhythms with little bass-drum work (POLKA!) Aimless mathcore stumbling with groove. No thank you.

I think that's being too harsh on Meshuggah, although it is true to a lesser extent. I think Contradictions Collapse, Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere are awesome albums, but the quality of subsequent albums is indeed lower. I only like certain songs on Nothing and I still can't believe how much worse that album in general is compared to their previous stuff. It was rather similar to Chaosphere but it was mostly boring. I gotta give Catch Thirtythree a listen again as I haven't heard it in years (what I remember most is the (I think) Autotune vocals in the middle were a putoff for me). ObZen had some great songs (Bleed being the best) but the rest just sounded the same as their previous stuff -- boring again. The EPs I quite like, although I still don't know how much I like I. If memory serves me right, that EP again contained nothing really new. And that leaked song (Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion) from the upcoming album is a major disappointment - sounds like it could've been on Nothing; quite boring. So while I don't agree fully with the criticism above because even their last couple albums have great songs on them, the majority of these albums is, sadly, quite accurately described by it.
Meshuggah invented a style entirely their own and perfected it very quickly, only to not be able to progress it further and start stagnating. I still have high hopes for their new album and really hope they find a way to move forward.

No Craft? Total Soul Rape is one of my favorite albums. I have too many favorite albums/bands to list. Grew up listening to hardcore and got into metal through that. Converge, Slayer, Despise You, Hatred Surge, Black Sabbath, Electric Wizard, Eyehategod, Craft, Burzum (Filsofem especially), Katharsis, Integrity, Neurosis, Sunn 0))), Boris, Entombed are some favorites. But I could go on forever.

I strongly disagree with that statement. You could argue that any band is no specific genre, but all of the bands I listed have plenty of metal aesthetics. To me, they qualify as metal bands.

Eyehategod fall into the sludge metal genre which, I think, they pretty much started.  I remember a friend & I finding their 1st LP in an Austin recordstore; we had never heard of them so the buy was based solely on the artwork. "Dopesick" is my fave.

Mine too. Take as Needed for Pain is good too.

Quote from: Reprobate on March 21, 2012, 12:30:22 AM
Take as Needed for Pain is good too.

My fave. Always felt more of a punk vibe from them but certainly appropriate for metal discussion too I would say.

I have a hard-on for Bolt Thrower again.

There's no doubt that there's a HUGE punk influence in their music, but I didn't see a discussion topic for favorite sludgy punk bands. haha. Bolt Thrower brings the instant headbang.

Quote from: Reprobate on March 21, 2012, 02:11:15 AM
There's no doubt that there's a HUGE punk influence in their music, but I didn't see a discussion topic for favorite sludgy punk bands. haha. Bolt Thrower brings the instant headbang.

I was trying to think about the best BT album and, difficult a decision as it is, IVth Crusade still tops for me.

dISEMBOWELMENT. Listening to the demos now on the Relapse 2cd reissue, holy hell this shit is heavy...

Been listening to Slowly We Rot, the first Obituary album all day today. In my opinion one of the very first true Death Metal albums to crash in with the first wave. Death SBG and Possessed were both Thrash fueled, the latter being purely Thrash to my ears.

I went to an old thrift store today that I visited a few months back and had seen some tapes there that I thought I liked (couldn't remember since I was drunk) and sure enough they were still there. Got the first S/T Rigor Mortis (even though I already have it on CD) for $1.00 and a couple of more underground releases that I haven't listened to much yet, one is Mortuary and the other I can't read the logo but it looks like it may be some run of the mill American 90's DM or Grind tape (copyright says '93) that I probably won't like but you can't beat $1.00 a tape!

*just popped the un-named one in and it seems to be Crust. Oh well, it goes to my trade list once I find out the name.

Quote from: Reprobate on March 21, 2012, 12:30:22 AM
Mine too. Take as Needed for Pain is good too.

Watching them play that album front to back live was incredible.

Speaking of which, anyone dig the Buried at Sea cover of White Nigger? Probably the only band to cover an EHG track and give it justice + then some more.

Quote from: ConcreteMascara on February 28, 2012, 10:11:18 PM
Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned Japan's Coffins or Anatomia but fuckkk yeah.

I mean Anatomia is basically Japan's answer to Autopsy. Which fucking rules.

And I don't know if anyone ever used to listen to Hellchild but they laid the groundwork for a lot of the good Japanese metal bands around today. Especially with albums Where the Conflict Reaches and Circulating Contradictions.

teh new anatomia album should be out very soon. ive heard it many times and it is far and away my favorite material by them. very different from previous releases. incorporating more keyboards and electronics. still has the autopsy feel to it, but adding more twists.

i am in agreeement with zeno about coffins though. cant stand that band. boring and impotent.

Surely this new Blood Duster record will be among the best metal releases!

Check out the video at the end of the article.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/10/blood_duster_pr.html

Blood Duster LP would be more interesting if they didn't tell people it was purposely fucked up. I'm surprised no noise artist had done this. I'd be curious to hear the BD anti-LP.

Been listening the the Teitanblood "woven black arteries" mcd alot.

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 27, 2012, 11:59:06 PMI'm surprised no noise artist had done this.

I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that The Gerogrigegege did something along these lines - a series of albums where destroyed on a beach in Japan somewhere?

Anyway, Blood Duster suck. They should destroy their own albums more often.

Carcass - Symphonies Of sickness
Exodus - Bonded By Blood
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Iron Maiden - Number Of the Beast
Judas Priest - British steel
Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
Bolt Thrower - Realm Of Chaos
Bathory - s/t
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/ohiogrinder/

Here's my lists, some of you may take a dig at me for combining doom metal and heavy metal into one list, but I'm not putting Black Sabbath on separate lists.

Quote from: locustfurnace on January 12, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
Not all 100% Metal but related enough to fit here...all these get regular spins...all bona fide classics!!!!

Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Swans - Public Castration Is A Good Idea
Neurosis - Enemy Of The Sun
Repulsion - Horrified
Napalm Death - Scum
Deicide - Deicide
Beherit - Drawing Down The Moon
Impaled Nazarene - Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz
Faith No More - Angel Dust
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Death Strike - Fuckin' Death
W.A.S.P - The Headless Children
Ministry - Psalm 69
Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel Of Doom
Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
Corrupted - Paso Inferior
Guns n' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
S.O.D. - Speak English Or Die
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
Sepultura - Beneath The Remains

Great Scott! What a list! E-five?

At the moment my favourites are Dragged Into Sunlight - Hatred For Mankind & The Meads of Asphodel - The Murder of Jesus the Jew

So I'm a little out of the loop on metal right now, but I know that as far as UKBM goes Winterfylleth seem to be "big time" at the moment. However, Darkness is one of my favourite UKBM "acts", I've worked with him previously (re-releasing his As The Last Star Falls From Heaven opus) and he is a close friend and colleague. He has remixed and remastered his first 3 demos which are very highly regarded within the UGBM community. I've started uploading them to YT as they're long out of print and he's happy for me to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmI0tn8R3mUlzAGwdNT9eOHGer6BVKGeU

Beast of Misanthropy up at the moment, two more demos will be up at some point and As The Last Star... also.

too many to mention.

Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting The Insalubrious
Carcass - Reek Of Putrefaction
Repulsion - Horrified
Impetigo - Horror Of The Zombies

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on October 28, 2012, 11:07:00 PM

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 27, 2012, 11:59:06 PM

Anyway, Blood Duster suck. They should destroy their own albums more often.

must not be socially conscious enough for you.

Nah, just don't like the music.

I've been listening to heaps of Craft lately, and have come to believe "Fuck The Universe" is one of my favourite Metal releases now. The combination of pure, nihilistic hatred and great, simple, straight-up Black Metal riffing with a gloomy vibe just works for me. The title track, especially, is a great anthem.

"Fuck The Universe" is definitely Craft`s best album, I agree. Their debut lacks of good, catchy melodies, also their new one "Void" has its week moments. On "Fuck The Universe" every song is a hit! Andrew, you might want to check out Destruktor "Nailed" or Abominator "Subversives For Lucifer", which is different though, but brilliant, rough Death/Thrash albums as well : )

Thanks for that tip. Managed to find "Nailed", very basic, very heavy. Satisfying, to a degree.

"Void" left me scratching my head as well, they seemed to be going more for mood rather than their previous riff attempts. Could be "Fuck..." is so far their best testament, so far. I do like the other two albums of theirs' that I have heard, though, lots of basic aggression.

Illjarn where mentioned elsewhere on this forum, apparently connected with re-issues. I'm hoping "Strength And Anger" becomes available again, that thing is a masterpiece of pure fuck you.

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 17, 2012, 01:10:18 PM
Thanks for that tip. Managed to find "Nailed", very basic, very heavy. Satisfying, to a degree.

"Void" left me scratching my head as well, they seemed to be going more for mood rather than their previous riff attempts. Could be "Fuck..." is so far their best testament, so far. I do like the other two albums of theirs' that I have heard, though, lots of basic aggression.

Illjarn where mentioned elsewhere on this forum, apparently connected with re-issues. I'm hoping "Strength And Anger" becomes available again, that thing is a masterpiece of pure fuck you.

I disliked the lack of vocals on Strength and Anger

http://youtu.be/UQl6PzXU4cQ

one man metal doc in three parts.  some of it is interesting.  striborg.  leviathan.  xasthur.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 17, 2012, 08:24:13 PM
http://youtu.be/UQl6PzXU4cQ

one man metal doc in three parts.  some of it is interesting.  striborg.  leviathan.  xasthur.

Thanks, giving it a blast now.

Quote from: martialgodmask on November 14, 2012, 12:23:07 AM
So I'm a little out of the loop on metal right now, but I know that as far as UKBM goes Winterfylleth seem to be "big time" at the moment. However, Darkness is one of my favourite UKBM "acts", I've worked with him previously (re-releasing his As The Last Star Falls From Heaven opus) and he is a close friend and colleague. He has remixed and remastered his first 3 demos which are very highly regarded within the UGBM community. I've started uploading them to YT as they're long out of print and he's happy for me to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmI0tn8R3mUlzAGwdNT9eOHGer6BVKGeU

Beast of Misanthropy up at the moment, two more demos will be up at some point and As The Last Star... also.

Two more exclusive remixed Darkness demos now up, Destruction Of Earth and Eternal Darkness.

Link - Darkness - Destruction Of Earth (2001) (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmI0tn8R3mUlgWeJFBzP_DlxABx0vL9Ew)
Link - Darkness - Eternal Darkness (2001) (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmI0tn8R3mUmVKVgr2e2QfnLH3lpO6S1F)

Been obsessed with the Canadian band Chapel who do awesome Black Speed Metal in the vein of Tank and Venom meets early era Bathory. Seax is also in the same boat but with a rawer edge and cleaner, NWOBHM styled vocals. If you like these types of "worship bands" ala Midnight and the like then you should definitely check these 2 albums out...

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/4/7/9/347981.jpeg)

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/4/5/5/345514.jpg)

...and listening to this right now:

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/9/0/7/2907.jpg)

That Seax is good!

ill have to check those out ryan. as for the bestial/war stuff, i think you're alone on that as i love the stuff

Chapel is pretty good but I wish there was a band with a similiar style, but a little grittier, & more serious, violent lyrics.

You listened to Deathhammer's "Onward to the Pits" yet? Less Speed Metal more Thrash with more energy and a very raw, late 80's German feel to it. The lyrical content isn't really "serious" but they aren't talking about girls, beer and leather like Chapel.

that Chapel is really good, thanks Ryan. on the slightly more modern bent, I'll throw Ravencult out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MD4E4IkU0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MD4E4IkU0)

Deathhammer sounds familiar but I do not believe I have given them a listen. Will check it out.

Best metal, for me, this year is the Teitanblood mcd. Hope he gets a full length going next year.

Teitanblood better put something new next year

I need to hear more Teitanblood. I had "Seven Chalices" and sold it, it was good but not something that I personally had no reason to own it when my record player broke since I didn't listen to it all that much. I still have yet to even hear the entire track "Purging Tongues" which I should probably do since everyone says how amazing it is.

Seven Chalices is my bible to which all Incantation-esque black/death is measured by. of all, only Embrace Of Thorns' two full lengths stack up. Diocletian could be considered, but to me they're more Blasphemy than Incantation.

Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on December 21, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Seven Chalices is my bible to which all Incantation-esque black/death is measured by.

How about Vasaeleth - "Crypt Born & Tethered to Ruin"? Now that is some solid Incantation worship done right. And second to that, for me, would be Disma.

I don't listen to a whole lot of Death Metal outside of the old Thrash stuff that started the first wave of Death Metal, albums like "Scream Bloody Gore", "Morbid Visions" and "Malleus Maleficarum" are easily some of the best Metal albums ever recorded in the history of the genre. I also have a soft spot for Deathpunk stuff like the first Bolt Thrower album and Slaughter - "Strappado". Bands like Stormcrow, Sanctum and the amazing War Master - "Pyramid of the Necropolis" album, are luckily still carrying that flag, that stuff is too good and too rare to die.

War Master - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDNUFmqVskM
Sanctum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WndU6FMaMO4

I find very little metal (any genre) that I like, or that is worth a second listen, and I find Seven Chalices to be brilliant.  One of the best metal albums of that first decade.  The best part is that it continues to resonate; a true rarity.

If you like Bolt Thrower influenced metal and/or crust, Limb from Limb - Death. Famine. Plague. (2007) is top shelf.  The 7" that followed wasn't in the same league.  If you heard that first and thought little of them, go back to the album.  Not Bolt Throwerish, but the Instinct of Survival - North to Nowhere (2009) is solid, and solidly heavy, crust.

My tattoo artist played the Australian Lovecraft-worshipping band Innsmouth for me during my last session. Proper music for a Yog-Sothoth tattoo I suppose. Reminded me a lot of Slugathor's last album. Good, gloomy death metal in the old style.

HAIL!

Anyone have recommendations for obscure DOOM bands? Been listening to this lately. Norwegian act called Gribberiket. Hope you like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHscRfkJRo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZHscRfkJRo)

no need to have more metal topics than one, so lets keep all metal here... Be it doom / death / black or whatever.

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 17, 2012, 01:10:18 PM"Void" left me scratching my head as well, they seemed to be going more for mood rather than their previous riff attempts.

After repeated listens I've gotten into this album. Minimalist repetition really does pay off, and some rather impressive riffing and mood creation. What I like about Craft is that they really do come across to me as totally misanthropic, as if they really do hate everything and everyone and want to share that hate with us. Couldn't care less if that's me projecting, I love the hate.

Odz Manouk does some really nice work with catchy melodies and solid songwriting.  Just hearing OM now. Wish there was more.  Reminds me of the first track off Ancient - Svartalvheim. Love shit like that. Any recommendations?

New Moss track from forthcoming album on Metalblade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw22KaF7yiE

A departure of sorts from the monolithic funereal crawl of earlier works, but still sounds like Moss. I'm not sure on the *new vocal direction, in as much as they don't feel like Moss vocals to me, but having said that for the direction they're heading the new style does suit - I can't imagine the old style vocals gelling with the new style riffs so well.

I think I prefer the dungeon filth of old, but it's not so radical a departure and will no doubt just scratch a different itch to Chthonic Rites and Sub Templum.


*I refer to the "clean" style, the howls do return during the track

Not sure if they qualify as pure metal, the proggy instrumental combo Stinking Lizaveta is probably the first post-rocking music I've liked in a long while. Got the albums III and Caught Between Worlds used earlier today.

I must mention Finland's Krypts here. Their first two releases; the Open the Crypt 12" (which slays) and their self-titled 7" are both strong slabs of new old-school style death metal. Just recently they put out their first full length, Unending Degradation, which I haven't heard but have heard good things about. Anyone get a chance to listen to it yet?

New Darkthrone out Monday... what I've heard isn't great but I'll probably get it as I'm a sucker.

Quote from: ConcreteMascara on February 21, 2013, 08:51:50 PM
I must mention Finland's Krypts here. Their first two releases; the Open the Crypt 12" (which slays) and their self-titled 7" are both strong slabs of new old-school style death metal. Just recently they put out their first full length, Unending Degradation, which I haven't heard but have heard good things about. Anyone get a chance to listen to it yet?

Heavy Finnish death with quality melodic accents. When they pick up speed, it's like Morbid Angel. The newer, 2-song EP isn't anywhere as good as the Open the Crypt demo/12".  Looking forward to the full length.

Quote from: martialgodmask on February 21, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
New Darkthrone out Monday... what I've heard isn't great but I'll probably get it as I'm a sucker.

Mate, don't. I haven't brought an album since "The Cult Is Alive", which I got rid of pretty quickly. Shocking band these days.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 22, 2013, 12:35:42 AM

Quote from: ConcreteMascara on February 21, 2013, 08:51:50 PM
I must mention Finland's Krypts here. Their first two releases; the Open the Crypt 12" (which slays) and their self-titled 7" are both strong slabs of new old-school style death metal. Just recently they put out their first full length, Unending Degradation, which I haven't heard but have heard good things about. Anyone get a chance to listen to it yet?

Heavy Finnish death with quality melodic accents. When they pick up speed, it's like Morbid Angel. The newer, 2-song EP isn't anywhere as good as the Open the Crypt demo/12".  Looking forward to the full length.

Yeah I thought the 7" was weaker than the debut 12". I have both, I was just mentioning the band for others. I'm just waiting for Stateside distribution of the vinyl version of the new album.

Haven't heard of Krypt. Will check it out, thanx. Sadistik Exekution's  The Magus (1991) and We Are Death Fukk You (1994) are excellent albums in my book. Must say I like their first from '91 the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3sKdLwXz0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3sKdLwXz0w)

Quote from: online prowler on February 22, 2013, 04:41:12 AMHaven't heard of Krypt. Will check it out, thanx.

Make sure it is Krypts, the Finnish death band.  I believe Krypt is a Norwegian black metal group.

enforcer - death by fire - pure 80's nostalgia... absolutely great

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 22, 2013, 01:19:19 AM

Quote from: martialgodmask on February 21, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
New Darkthrone out Monday... what I've heard isn't great but I'll probably get it as I'm a sucker.

Mate, don't. I haven't brought an album since "The Cult Is Alive", which I got rid of pretty quickly. Shocking band these days.

Haha, I have this debate with a friend at work. Whilst far from classic (and probably far from essential!) I've got Dark Thrones & Black Flags and F.O.A.D. and enjoy them, I'm finding it hard to resist the temptation of the new one! For (nearly) completest sake, of course! Still need to pick up Circle The Wagons actually...


Edit: in my defence, I have the generally considered "classics" and it is based almost entirely upon those albums that they are forgiven for the more recent days!

Krypts noted.

New Enbilulugugal album out now. Holds promise. Hope for a LP release in the future.

(http://f0.bcbits.com/z/10/60/106074449-1.jpg)

http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after (http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after)

Not metal but related - http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/east_of_the_sun_west_of_the_moon.shtml

Quote from: Varg"Sôl austan, Mâni vestan" will feature ≈58 minutes of instrumental electronic music, that can best be described as relaxing, slow-paced, contemplative and very much original. You have not heard anything like this before, although we can compare it to other electronic music, such as Tangerine Dream вЂ" and I guess to old electronic Burzum music as well.

Nice.

Fucking love this release!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABkk0kS0G84

(http://www.dxmxtx.com/corrupted/img/discs/cd_re_pasoinferior.jpg)

Quote from: Human Larvae on March 05, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
Fucking love this release!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABkk0kS0G84

(http://www.dxmxtx.com/corrupted/img/discs/cd_re_pasoinferior.jpg)

Agreed. Very heavy, my favourite of theirs I think. The last one they did was excellent, heavy but in a different way to this.

I prefer...

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Rato Triste is, in my mind, the heaviest piece of sludge/doom ever recorded.

Quote from: Human Larvae on March 05, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
Fucking love this release!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABkk0kS0G84

(http://www.dxmxtx.com/corrupted/img/discs/cd_re_pasoinferior.jpg)

It's safe to say I'm a fan :)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr7j67jWvW1qiei5oo1_500.png

Quote from: online prowler on February 22, 2013, 10:49:34 PM


New Enbilulugugal album out now. Holds promise. Hope for a LP release in the future.

(http://f0.bcbits.com/z/10/60/106074449-1.jpg)

http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after (http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after)

Been listening a lot to this lately. Føkking great. Corrupted is mandatory. I prefer the cd-release El Mundo Frio.

Quote from: locustfurnace on March 05, 2013, 11:40:59 AM

Quote from: Human Larvae on March 05, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
Fucking love this release!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABkk0kS0G84

(http://www.dxmxtx.com/corrupted/img/discs/cd_re_pasoinferior.jpg)

It's safe to say I'm a fan :)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr7j67jWvW1qiei5oo1_500.png

Nice shrine you built there!

Quote from: online prowler on February 22, 2013, 04:41:12 AM
Sadistik Exekution's  The Magus (1991) and We Are Death Fukk You (1994) are excellent albums in my book. Must say I like their first from '91 the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3sKdLwXz0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3sKdLwXz0w)

second these recs

Quote from: online prowler on March 08, 2013, 08:22:37 PM

Quote from: online prowler on February 22, 2013, 10:49:34 PM


New Enbilulugugal album out now. Holds promise. Hope for a LP release in the future.

(http://f0.bcbits.com/z/10/60/106074449-1.jpg)

http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after (http://dipsomaniacrecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-day-after)

Izedis rules!!!
Been listening a lot to this lately. Føkking great. Corrupted is mandatory. I prefer the cd-release El Mundo Frio.

https://soundcloud.com/kcclips/hetfield-grunts

Lawless - Night of the Wolf demo (2012)

-good galloping groovy Scandinavian death metal with a Bolt Throwerish heaviness and low end.  Not all that surprising it is members of Acephalix and Vastum.  Those folks have a keen ear.

http://kangnave.blogspot.com/2013/04/lawless-nite-of-wolf-demo-2012.html

any brutal death metal fans here?

The few tracks I listened to from the new full-length from MOSS were pretty good. I've ignored their past work but not sure why. Maybe songs were too long but also thinking it had something to do with the vocals? I need to re-listen as vocals are fine on the new release.

this should interest some people here: https://soundcloud.com/irkallianoracle
I released it and also contributed with some soundwork. for more info visit http://bolvark.blogspot.com

Quote from: bitewerksMTB on May 14, 2013, 09:24:15 PM
The few tracks I listened to from the new full-length from MOSS were pretty good. I've ignored their past work but not sure why. Maybe songs were too long but also thinking it had something to do with the vocals? I need to re-listen as vocals are fine on the new release.

Olly the singer is living out his Ozzy fantasy now on the newest album, previous efforts were a lot more howl/scream based. From what I've heard, I prefer the older style but I haven't heard the new one in full yet so will refrain from judgement.

more people should try and accurately imitate Ozzy and Dio in the doom field. I miss Count Raven, their singer was a dead ringer for Ozzy.

my question is, who has done the Dio sound accurately in doom metal?

solitude aeternus and trouble both have nice higher register singers. not accurate dio but good shit.

I was never a Dio fan, and his albums with Black Sabbath/Heaven and Hell suffer from awful, period production.  I don't find them heavy, powerful, or anything positive.  They annoy me more than anything.  I didn't care for the major label metal sound of the 80s.  To a pleasant, great surprise, the Radio City Music Hall live album has opened my eyes to those songs.  I only wish everything Dio did with them had that heaviness and power.  I thought Neon Nights was going to be another great treasure, but it isn't.  It's better than the studio albums, but it's weak in comparison to Radio City.  From what little I've seen, the Radio City DVD is also really good.

I'm listening to the new Black Sabbath '13' and even though it's almost self-parody and they really must have put such thought into what sounds like classic Sabbath riffs and lyrics and how to not disappoint an audience and what their expectations are - it's still about the most successful 'comeback'/reformation project I've ever heard. Some of these fuckers, the Sex Pistols and the Velvet Underground for instance, were a horrible con trick of four strangers playing in an enormous room for the cash with no passion. Despite the obvious autotune on the vocals and a brickwalled mastering job, this has a distant ring of sincerity and art to it.

Hearing the first three Sabbath albums at a young age was very influential to me, the only comparable metal I have ever heard has been Slayer 'Reign In Blood' and the second/third/fourth Darkthrone records.

What I've heard of the new Black Sabbath album sounds to me like a more recent Doom band trying to ape the early Sabs sound. It reminds me, once again, that too many bands have used-by dates and are better to stick to them.

Who doesn't like making charts?

(http://i.imgur.com/v3wwAxL.jpg)

To make your own: http://collage.topsters.net/

The very first stanza of 13 is gross.  It sounds like Geezer is referencing Charlie Sheen and "winning" (and yes, I'm familiar with BS lyrics).  No thank you.  I only listened to about a third of the album and went to listen to something else.  I'm not hearing anything interesting or of quality in 13.

I've really become somewhat obsessed with Celtic Frost Monotheist lately. What a great, powerful, dark album. Simplistic approach but very heavy and effective. It's one of those albums that creates a world you can get lost in. The first Triptykon album continues the same path set by Monotheist and has some great tracks but overall didn't grab me like Monotheist

Amazing how Tom G. Warrior (and Martin Ain on Monotheist) are still capable of manifesting such darkness even after all these years, still more effectively than the many legions of bands who were deeply influenced by them.

Great video of their full concert @ Wacken 2006: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgVyePcK68A

"Monotheist" was a bit of an obsession when I first got it, too. Listening to the album in one sitting really did feel like I had undergone some kind of suffocation rite and had come out the other end. It is a particularly good release.

You're also right about "Eparistera Daimones" - it sounded more like potential than fulfillment, and I'm not sure why, really. Perhaps because it's more sided towards Fischer's song-writing and lacks whatever influence Ain brings? I haven't heard "Shatter".

Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on August 12, 2013, 05:20:28 AM
You're also right about "Eparistera Daimones" - it sounded more like potential than fulfillment, and I'm not sure why, really. Perhaps because it's more sided towards Fischer's song-writing and lacks whatever influence Ain brings?

I watched an interview the other day with Fischer and he was talking about the end of Celtic Frost and starting a new band, and he said he wrote "90%" of CF's material. That could very well be, but the 10% that presumably came from Ain might have been the vital component that turned CF from average into something special. It's probably one of those partnerships where the participants are perfectly capable on their own and just "good", but when they join forces they can attain things not possible on their own. Maybe Ain's contributions were more quality control and arrangement rather than just writing.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Fischer and Ain might work together again. It seems like Fischer had issues with the other two members in the resurrected CF and him and Ain have more of a lifelong-friends/brothers relationship. Very excited to hear the new Triptykon album though, I've read that it's coming out early next year

Sea Bastard - s/t 2012 - This band is pretty amazing. It's a dying art that was never very prolific in the first place, but I haven't heard sludge this good since maybe the 90s. I'm surprised a label like Southern Lord isn't all over this band. Sea Bastard is better than most of the SL doom roster I've heard. I can't find a weak spot. Vocals, check. Drum sound, check (key to sludge and doom in my opinion). Repetitive sludge, check. (catchy) riffs, check. Groove, check. Songwriting, check. Long songs with no-to-little dragging, check (no easy task). It's really too bad for them about the state of record prices and the insane shipping and little trading. They'd move a couple thousand of these 2LPs if this was 1995 at $12-14ppd.
http://seabastard.bandcamp.com/album/sea-bastard

Holy shit, I can't wait for this...

(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/8/4/8/384812.jpg?1528)

Nekrofilth is one of the best active bands making Metal these days. Their 2011 LP, "Worship Destruction", is in my top 3 favorite Metal albums from this decade. I've been talking about that album whenever someone brings up a "suggest me some good new Metal" threads or asks me on RYM or wherever. Nekrofilth sounds a lot like Canada's Slaughter, and it seems they worship everything on "Strappado" (the best Metal album to come from Canada, in my opinion) especially the Guitar tone; dirty and fuzzy, and the vocals which are mainly just gruff shouts. No bells and whistles. "Worship Destruction" was just over 15 minutes of pissed off Slaughter worship with some hinting at Hellhammer and plenty of simple Punk riffs made all the better with that nasty Guitar tone. Here is the full album for you to form your own opinions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_DSODRMmg

I can't wait to hear what they did on this new album. And like thousands of Metal releases to come out in Q3, October 31 is the release date.

*edit* Looks like HHR put up a few preview tracks:

http://hellsheadbangers.bandcamp.com/album/devils-breath

Since there doesn't appear to be a dedicated grindcore thread, the Dead material from the Dead/Regurgitate CD is great.  Heavy.  Grooving.  I seem to remember the album that followed was nowhere near as good as these tracks.  Gut touched on a similar heavy pocket, but again, it wasn't anywhere close to this stuff.

Deathspell Omega: Fas – Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeternum
Khanate: Things Viral
Origin: Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas
Artery Eruption: Spewage
Bone Awl: Bog Bodies

Certainly from the stuff I listen to anymore (I've not included any goregrind)

Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 13, 2017, 09:54:05 PM
Since there doesn't appear to be a dedicated grindcore thread, the Dead material from the Dead/Regurgitate CD is great.  Heavy.  Grooving.  I seem to remember the album that followed was nowhere near as good as these tracks.  Gut touched on a similar heavy pocket, but again, it wasn't anywhere close to this stuff.

Shit yeah!!

Carnivorous Erection is a total return to form.

Impetigo are a much surer bet.

Are there any substantial, quality interviews or articles on the time up to, and during the making of, Killing Technology? I'd love to know what they were thinking and reading and hearing etc.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 16, 2017, 11:13:25 PM
Are there any substantial, quality interviews or articles on the time up to, and during the making of, Killing Technology? I'd love to know what they were thinking and reading and hearing etc.

I didn't grab that Away book fast enough but I bet there's some insightful stuff. I'm in Montreal now and saw a copy for $70 but I blew all my holiday savings on records :-(

Necrodeath "Fragments of Insanity"
Necrofago "Brutal Mutilation"
Von "Satanic Blood Angel"
Mystifier "Wicca"
Conqueror "War Cult Supremacy"
Demilich "The Four Instructive Tales of Decomposition"
Disastrous Murmur "Rhapsodies In Red"
Xysma ‎"Above The Mind Of Morbidity"
Bethlehem "Dark Metal"
Hearse "All Soon To Be Dead..."

etc ect retc

early motorhead, sabbath, deep purple, venom, voivod, white zombie, electric wizard, uneartly trance, deathspell omega, watain, godhater.

80s Slayer
Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Sarcofago - INRI
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Asunder - two full lengths and split with Graves at Sea
both Sect Pig 12"s

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my taste in metal is near the same as Peterson listed but i do not listen to metal hc oi etc as much now growing up it was every single day

Immortal -Battles In The North
Absu - Tara
Sarcofago - INRI
Enslaved - Frost
Morbid Angel - Thy Kingdom Come + Gateways To Annihilation

These have been classics for me since my teenagehood/pre Internet times and before people got brainwashed by Yosuke and Hendrik Möbius on the NWN board, on which people forget they once listened to "Powerslave" or "Ride The Lightning", the times when Cradle Of Filth were the shit and everyone wore their tshirts, and when people actually bought zines and magazines that weren't advertised online to make their own personal tastes (then they'd realise that bands like Intolitarian or Goatpenis are useless boring crap.)

Favourite brutal death metal bands:

Origin
Guttural Slug
Diphenylchloroarsine
Gelgamesh
Kraanium
Vulvodynia
Extermination Dismemberment
Abominable Putridity
Maggot Colony


I don't know how I forgot to include any of these lovelies in my first list but a bunch of them would certainly fit into it.

well...Death - Spiritual Healing led me back down the Swedish death metal rabbit hole.  Kind of a perfect bit of metal music if you ask me (both Spiritual Healing and Shadows in the Deep, but for this, I'm talking Shadows).  A lot of grooves on that there album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q22Zx2HH57E&t=339s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q22Zx2HH57E&t=339s)

from 32:48 to 33:12

including the subtle use of the china cymbal. I like this guy's drumming a lot in general.

Which had me fiending for Skit System's 1st EP and 1st LP.  It's logical to go from early Swedish death metal to Skit System, but because I've had so little awareness of the death metal, it wasn't a listening sequence I ever made before this.  Nothing to make a deal about...if you were into the death metal all along, but for me, ignorance finally gave way to the circle.

I asked this elsewhere, and I'm going to ask it here:  Does any Scandinavian death metal band in the past 10-15 years get that heavy bass guitar production they got in the early 90s? The riffs are always mentioned, and rightly so, but the bass tones and gunboat drums are so key to why this stuff was extraordinarily heavy. With my limited knowledge, it seems like something flipped around 1993 or thereabouts.

Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 05, 2018, 11:45:11 PM
I asked this elsewhere, and I'm going to ask it here:  Does any Scandinavian death metal band in the past 10-15 years get that heavy bass guitar production they got in the early 90s? The riffs are always mentioned, and rightly so, but the bass tones and gunboat drums are so key to why this stuff was extraordinarily heavy. With my limited knowledge, it seems like something flipped around 1993 or thereabouts.

The Miasmal demo is what you need !  Too bad they went to shit after the first full length or so (stopped checking them out anyway)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY5WhC1HbWI

Wanted to briefly revive this topic to mention Hooded Menace. I know they were mentioned years back but what the hell. I was a big fan since 2011 when I saw them at MDF but sort of fell off following them after "Effigies of Evil" which didn't immediately blow me away. Finally listened to their 2015 album "Darkness Drips Forth" and was completely surprised by how good it was. A lot less of schlocky horror vibe and much more solemn and serious sounding. with only 4 tracks its all killer no filler. Then I found out that they recruited Harri Kuokkanen of Hail Conjurer for the vocals on the album that came out at the beginning of this year. So I'm still playing catch-up...

But for those who want some killer death/doom to see them through this unending heat, at least here on the East Coast of the US, I recommend Hooded Menace.

in no order

Deicide - Legion
Incantation - Onward To Golgotha
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel Of Doom
Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
Cradle Of Filth - Dusk And Her Embrace
Demoncy - Joined In Darkness
Infester - To The Depths, In Degradation
Cannibal Corpse - Tomb Of The Mutilated
Sarcofago - INRI
Mortician - Hacked Up For Barbecue

staples I'm sure will surprise nobody in no order

Black Sabbath-Black Sabbath/Paranoid
Morbid Angel-Altars of Madness
Slaughter-Strappado
Darkthrone-A Blaze in the Northern Skies
Napalm Death-From Enslavement to Obliteration/Scum
Slayer-Show No Mercy/Season in the Abyss
Bathory-Bathory
Carcass-Necroticism; Descanting the Insalubrious
Mercyful Fate-Melissa
Mayhem-De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Voivod-Killing Technology
Assuck-Anticapital
Blasphemy-Fallen Angel of Doom
Ulver-Bergtatt: Et Eeventyr i 5 Capitler
Mutiilation-Vampires of Black Imperial Blood
Hellhammer- *everything*
Sepultura-Schizophrenia
Godflesh-Godflesh
Von-Satanic Blood
Celtic Frost-Morbid Tales
Venom-Welcome to Hell

I'm sure I'm forgetting some but these have been the most important.

No (pure) grindcore / industrial / experimental / noise stuff included:

CELTIC FROST - Morbid Tales + Emperor's Return (and all the HELLHAMMER stuff)
CARNIVORE - Retaliation
MERCILESS - The Awakening
POSSESSED - Seven Churches
SEXTRASH - Sexual Carnage
SARCOFAGO - I.N.R.I.
KREATOR - Pleasure To Kill
BLASPHEMY - Fallen Angel Of Doom
MUTILATOR - Immortal Force
BESTIAL SUMMONING - The Dark War Has Begun
DEMOLITION HAMMER - Tortured Existence
IMMORTAL - Battles In The North
SADISTIC INTENT - Resurrection
WINTER - Into Darkness
ASPHYX - The Rack
CORROSION OF CONFORMITY - Eye For An Eye
EYEHATEGOD - In The Name Of Suffering
SODOM - Obsessed By Cruelty
BATHORY - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark
PROCLAMATION - Advent Of The Black Omen
CONQUEROR - War Cult Supremacy
REVENGE - Scum.Collapse.Eradication
BESTIAL WARLUST - Vengeance War 'Till Death
ARTERY ERUPTION - Gouging Out Eyes Of Mutilated Infants
INTERNAL BLEEDING - Driven To Conquer
SUFFOCATION - Effigy Of The Forgotten
REPULSION - Horrified
TERRORIZER - World Downfall
NAUSEA (LA) - Crime Against Humanity
BLOOD - Impulse To Destroy
CARCASS - Reek Of Putrefaction
REGURGITATE - Effortless Regurgitation Of Bright Red Blood
PISSGRAVE - Posthumous Humiliation
DEAD INFECTION - Surgical Disembowelment
VOMITOR - Bleeding The Priest
NUCLEAR ASSAULT - Handle With Care
MORBID SAINT - Spectrum Of Death
SLAUGHTER - Strappado
GOATLORD - Reflections Of The Solstice
BLACK WITCHERY - Desecration Of The Holy Kingdom
NECROHOLOCAUST - Holocaustic Goat Metal
ENTOMBED - Clandestine
CADAVER - Hallucinating Anxiety
BOLT THROWER - The Peel Sessions
CARNAL TOMB - Flatulent Edemas Of Ejaculation
PUNGENT STENCH - For God Your Soul ... For Me Your Flesh
DISHARMONIC ORCHESTRA - Expositionsprophylaxe
MORTICIAN - Hacked Up For Barbecue
DISASTROUS MURMUR - Rhapsodies In Red
DEATH - Scream Bloody Gore
NUCLEAR DEATH - Bride Of Insect
BRUTAL TRUTH - Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
CONTRASTIC - S/T
IMPETIGO - Ultimo Mondo Cannibale

probably a litte atypical for a noisehead, but i am a big fan of traditional/heavy/true/epic metal, as well as black, death, doom... i basically like it all if it is good!

one album per band to keep it relatively short:

black sabbath - sabbath bloody sabbath
deep purple - burn
judas priest - stained class
motorhead - overkill
venom - welcome to hell
iron maiden - number of the beast
exciter - heavy metal maniac
omen - warning of danger
slayer - show no mercy
sodom - in the sign of evil
cirith ungol - king of the dead
mercyful fate - don't break the oath
celtic frost - to mega therion
saint vitus - saint vitus
pentagram - day of reckoning
manilla road - mystification
bathory - under the sign of the black mark
metallica - ... and justice for all
blasphemy - fallen angel of doom
deicide - deicide
obituary - cause of death
master's hammer - rituál
darkthrone - under a funeral moon
beherit - drawing down the moon
morbid angel - covenant
emperor - in the nightside eclipse
mayhem - de mysteriis dom sathanas
mütiilation - vampires of black imperial blood
burzum - filosofem
fullmoon - united aryan evil
arghoslent - arsenal of glory
kristallnacht - warspirit
satanic warmaster - carelian satanist madness
dissection - reinkaos
katharsis - vvorld vvithout end
ride for revenge - wisdom of the few

probably forgot a few, but all those have been important to me

Quote from: RyanWreck on January 11, 2012, 09:00:59 PM
I know this isn't Industrial or Noise but I really didn't think it belonged in the Art section. I know we have a ton of Metal heads here, and most of you were brought into Industrial/Noise/PE through Metal. What are some of your favorite Metal releases of all time?

I did a pretty in depth list of mine with short reviews over at RYM, it is still a work in progress but the first 25 have been established. I tend to like the dirty and evil Speed Metal genre with punk flavoring and Thrash, as you will see:

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/RyanWreck/ryans_top_100_metal_albums__wip

Your favorites? Comments? Ideas? Metal discussion in general is welcome.

Unholy " Trip To Depressive Autumn " demo tape & LP reissue

Piledriver - Metal Inquisition (thee original poser killer)

Bulldozer - The Day Of Wrath (perfect mix of Mötörhead and Venom)

Deathspell Omega - Si Monvmentvm Reqvires, Circvmspice (biggest game changer in aesthetics and sound for early 00's BM)

Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh (one of the most profound and lyrically explicit DM albums to ever be produced and with a strong emphasis on technical, yet melodic leads)

VON - Satanic Blood (brilliant by accident, sheer satanic lo fi terror done by these northern California maniacs)

Shitfucker - Suck Cocks In Hell (modern black metal/punk executed executed brilliantly and effectively by Detroit maniacs who understand the importance of the sound
of G.I.S.M.)

Ride For Revenge - Wisdom Of The Few (modern day take and expression of Beherit with an emphasis on experimental approach. Proves the beast of BM has many heads!)

I can fucking go on forever, but this is what comes to mind spontaneously off the cuff!

Some of my favorites from the BM/DM genre that have held out over the years:

Beherit-Drawing Down The Moon
Ride For Revenge-King Of Snakes/Wisdom Of The Few
Nåstrond-Toteslaut
Mortuary Drape-Tolling 13 Knell/All The Witches Dance
Sarcófago-I.N.R.I
Fullmoon-United Aryan Evil
Graveland-Following The Voice Of Blood
Arghoslent-Incorrigible Bigotry
Order From Chaos-Dawn Bringer
Goatlord-Goatlord
Root-Hell Symphony
Barathrum-Eerie
Samael-Blood Ritual
Impaled Nazarene-Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz
Thergothon-Stream From The Heavens
Unholy-From The Shadows
Disastrous Murmur-Rhapsodies In Red
Deicide-S/T/Legion
Impetigo-Horror Of The Zombies
Veles-Night On Bare Mountain
Infernum-Taur Nu Fuin
Osculum Infame-Dor Nu Fauglith
Dimmu Borgir-Stormblåst
Blessed In Sin-Odes Obscures
Holocausto-Campo De Extermino
Impurity-The Lamb's Fury
Mysticum-In Streams Of Inferno
Ildjarn-Forest Poetry
Sort Vokter-S/T
Spear Of Longinus-The Yoga Of National Socialism/...And The Swastikalotus
Absurd-Facta Loquntuur/Asgardsrei
Varathron-His Majesty At The Swamp
Necromantia-Crossing The Fiery Path
Profanatica-Enemy Of Virtue
Sorhin-Apokalypsens Angel
Zephyrous-Entrance And Wandering On The Seven Zones
Hail-Inheritance Of Evilness
Godflesh-Streetcleaner

Plenty I'm forgetting, I'm sure. Tried to avoid demos, but some are of the length and quality to be considered albums.

Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Impetigo - Faceless EP
Abhorrence - 7"
Repulsion - Horrified
Eyehategod - In The Name Of Suffering
Beherit - Drawing Down The Moon
Satanic Warmaster - Carelian Satanist Madness
Hail - Inheritance Of Evilness
Rotting Christ - Passage To Arcturo
Brocas Helm - Defender Of The Crown
Sleep - Dopesmoker
OM - Advaitic Songs

One of my favorites from the 2000s that often gets overlooked, especially now, is The Crown. A perfect blend of Thrash, Death Metal, and rock n' roll sensabilities. Satanic worship lyrics, shredding riffs, incredible drumming, and general head-bang-ability. Just want to chug beers and trash about with this band. Deathrace King is a near-perfect album. Crowned in Terror is also fantastic. So many classics tracks across those two albums like Death Explosion, Under the Whip, Speed of Darkness, Blitzkrieg Witchcraft, and Total Satan.

Absurd - Werwolfthron
Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon
Blutorden / Kristallnacht - MCMXCVII A.Y.P.S.
Burzum - Det Som Engang Vår
Burzum - Filosofem
Carnage - The Day Men Lost
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales
Cloven Hoof - s/t
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust
Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
Electric Wizard - We Live
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Entombed - Wolverine Blues
Forest - Like a Blaze Above the Ashes
Fullmoon - United Aryan Evil
Graveland - Thousand Swords
Hammer - Shoax
Hellhammer - Satanic Rites
High On Fire - Blessed Black Wings
Judas Priest - Killing Machine
Manilla Road - Crystal Logic
Mayhem - Live in Leipzig
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Nihilist - Nihilist (1987 - 1989)
Obituary - Slowly We Rot
Pagan Altar - Volume 1
Pentagram - First Daze Here
Pentagram - Relentless
Saint Vitus - Hallow's Victim
Sleep - Dopesmoker
Sleep - Sleep's Holy Mountain
Type O Negative - Dead Again
The Wandering Midget - The Serpent Coven
Venom - Welcome to Hell

These have meant the most to me, at different points in my life but mostly late teens. Formative stuff. Same classics everyone would list, I guess, but still. I'm even missing a few of these now, sadly. I'm way too quick shedding my possessions sometimes.

RAINBOW - Rising
IRON MAIDEN - Powerslave
REPULSION - Horrified
SARCOFAGO - I.N.R.I.
NUCLEAR DEATH - Bride Of Insect
EXODUS - Bonded By Blood
KAAMOS - S/t
DARK ANGEL - Darkness Descends
CELTIC - To Mega Therion
CANDLEMASS - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
METALLICA - ...And Justice For All
GODFLESH - S/t
MORBID ANGEL - Blessed Are The Sick
DARKTHRONE - Panzerfaust
MERCYFUL FATE - Don't Break The Oath
AUTOPSY - Severed Survival
JUDAS PRIEST - Defenders Of The Faith
NILE - In Their Darkened Shrines
HADEZ - Aquelarre
WATAIN - Casus Luciferi
MAYHEM - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
KREATOR - Pleasure To Kill
VARATHRON - His Majesty At The Swamp

Nile is one whose first two albums I've just recently revisited and they've held up surprisingly well, especially for more "mainstream" tech death. Then again, I am a sucker for Egyptian historical stuff when it's done well or in a novel way, so the theme might be propping it up a bit.

Other than noise/industrial, i listen to alot of the brutaler stuff of death metal. Bands like Mortician, Torsofuck, Last Days of Humanity.. etc etc...

Death doom isn't really of much interest, but this album turned out to be a great blind purchase item.  It not only surprised me at the time, but it has continued to hold up over the years.  Riffs and interesting twists and interesting production.  Could never be made today, just on the drum sound alone.  The cover art looks more like an EBM release or an ad you'd find in Industrial Nation.  With everything getting reissued on vinyl, I'm surprised it hasn't got the treatment.

Spina Bifida - Ziyadah 1993
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Spina_Bifida/Ziyadah/29986

Don't listen to a lot of metal outside the gym these days, but one big exception as of late has been Blut Aus Nord. Probably a lot of black metal purists would dismiss them because of all their experimentation with other genres, but that's why I enjoy them so much (although they've returned to a more traditional bm sound with the last couple). Have spun "Hallucinogen" and "Cosmosophy" so many times I'm worried I might be in danger of wearing out the records. All their releases have something to offer. And their early straight up bm albums are still amazing.


That riff and section @6:13 pretty much rules everything.