I'm sure it's agreed that there's a definite similarity between punk/hardcore and power electronics/noise. It's through punk that I got into P.E. and REAL industrial. I've been getting into a lot of the bands on the Youth Attack label, which is ran by Mark McCoy, who has connections to Dominick Fernow, so there's yet another link. I read that Koufar/Disgust is influenced by powerviolence bands, which is awesome. I'm sure there's a lot of other people who got into this stuff via punk/hardcore and other aggressive music. Just look at how D.I.Y. a lot of labels are (F&V, particularly). I don't know where I'm really going with this, other than trying to start some type of discussion. Haha.
I leave you with Vaccine, a band that everyone should love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8At06QsgQ
i am into hc/punk mostly bands from Finland and Sweden and i love oi! and rac too!
I guess I enjoy the more artsy, bad attitude and atonal end of this stuff, can't stand bands like Fugazi who make me want to puke - I felt murderous watching their self-congratulatory hagiographical film Instrument which someone gave me. Flipper were fucking amazing. Black Flag consistently interesting and adventurous. They're responsible for an awful lot of bullshit in their wake but Nation of Ulysses were a great live band in the early 90s. Do Pussy Galore count as 'punk/hardcore' in any way? Worship their stuff. Without the Butthole Surfers I almost certainly would not be making music today.
Rudimentary Peni, every recording but especially Cacophony. Crass if I'm in the mood, usually the obnoxious sounding Yes Sir I Will.
The only Oi band I think anyone needs is the Cockney Rejects, their first two albums are just about perfect. Saw The Business live and thought they were pretty good. Whereas The Last Resort struck me as ridiculous closet homo stuff. "Oi Oi skinhead, working class!" - what a clown.
Of UK original wave weird shit before punk became generic, gotta be Alternative TV and Swell Maps. I really don't know about the punk/HC scene nowadays. When my bands play alongside these type of bands I'm usually at the bar, most of it just seems boring to my jaded ears.
I come from hardcore/oi background.
I enjoy many genre and projects, from Californian punk, to nyhc, from Italian punk to oi... there are still many good bands although it is difficult for me to follow them as I used to
I was a punk for years, making it, listening to it and identifying as it, even though I hated the usual uniform of it. But I really burnt out on it and cut the strings with the local punk scene while still recording my own version of it at home. Then I stopped, and since then have not been able to really listen to hardly any of it since. My preferences where for the more stripped down UK sound, rather than the quick paced US hardcore. These days I'm like HongKongGoolagong -
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 23, 2012, 06:47:21 AMRudimentary Peni, every recording but especially Cacophony. Crass if I'm in the mood, usually the obnoxious sounding Yes Sir I Will.
- but apart from that and the odd Dead Kennedies, I just cannot listen to the stuff.
Well, I'm also from punk background and still quite closely follow the local scene, even though I guess I'm more into it because of friends than of the music. I still enjoy fair amount of punk, though, and find new and interesting bands every now and then. I've always been most into raw and/or unordinary stuff, like most of the US classics hardly move more than into 'it is fine' -line. 77-style I haven't listened much since my teenage years and again that is something I am mostly familiar with the Finnish classics.
Thinking what I am now, I believe the punk roots are still quite easily recognisable.
I didn't find noise through punk though, I guess I'm too young to see the actual connection between the two.
Quote from: Reprobate on March 23, 2012, 03:29:09 AM
I read that Koufar/Disgust is influenced by powerviolence bands, which is awesome.
Only Disgust is. First Disgust show in over a year next month and I'm performing with ACxDC, Godstomper, Miscreant, and Permanent Ruin (ex In Disgust). Amped! Hopefully a new split cs with Miscreant will be available around the time of the show.
The last hardcore album that I thoroughly enjoyed was New Lows "Harvest of the Carcass". Angriest album I've heard in a long time. Certainly MUCH more angry/frustrated/hateful then any Swedish or Finnish hardcore band has ever put out.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 02:21:00 PMThe last hardcore album that I thoroughly enjoyed was New Lows "Harvest of the Carcass". Angriest album I've heard in a long time. Certainly MUCH more angry/frustrated/hateful then any Swedish or Finnish hardcore band has ever put out.
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Eg. I would find it utterly embarassing if people of my age would shout out lines like cops are nazi pigs. But listening to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKFN9XpOD4 it is whole other ballgame.
anyway I can't live without cro mags - age of quarrel, bad brains - rock for light amd any 4 skins record
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
The last hardcore album that I thoroughly enjoyed was New Lows "Harvest of the Carcass". Angriest album I've heard in a long time. Certainly MUCH more angry/frustrated/hateful then any Swedish or Finnish hardcore band has ever put out.
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Didn't really care for Harvest of the Carcass. Too moshy for me. Angriest current bands that I love are: Mind Eraser, Nails, SQRM, Hatred Surge, Vile Gash and Vaccine.
I can't really get into oi stuff. I've tried, but I dunno. I prefer american hardcore/punk to other things. I definitely agree with tiny_tove on age of quarrel. Great record. When it comes to Bad Brains, their s/t (roir cassette) is unmatched. It's a perfect album. Same with "My War." I prefer My War and Slip it In to any other Black Flag albums. Even Loose Nut is awesome. I've been jamming a lot of Void lately. Turbonegro too. "Apocalypse Dudes" is such a great album.
Anyone into D-Beat/Crust stuff? Tragedy and His Hero is Gone are on constant rotation for me.
Quote from: Ernpe on March 23, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 02:21:00 PMThe last hardcore album that I thoroughly enjoyed was New Lows "Harvest of the Carcass". Angriest album I've heard in a long time. Certainly MUCH more angry/frustrated/hateful then any Swedish or Finnish hardcore band has ever put out.
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Eg. I would find it utterly embarassing if people of my age would shout out lines like cops are nazi pigs. But listening to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKFN9XpOD4 it is whole other ballgame.
Yeah!
PAINAJAINEN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuLX8u_RM-M
TERVEET KÄDET http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLycmd0B_80
NEW LOWS sounds just impotent for my ears. I think it is stange that someone finds that kind of stuff hateful!
Quote from: Reprobate on March 23, 2012, 06:16:15 PMAnyone into D-Beat/Crust stuff? Tragedy and His Hero is Gone are on constant rotation for me.
I love Discharge, Disclose, (early) Extreme Noise Terror and stuff like that, but the stuff labeled as d-beat/crust - totally different than the classic stuff! - mostly leaves me cold. Tragedy was a big thing for me (and for most of the underground scene, I recon) when I was ten years younger but when Tragedy played at Helsinki a year ago, the gig did not impress me at all. I've been lately listening to HHIG after several years of hardly getting the records out of my shelf and that is a band I still enjoy greatly.
Quote from: MarkkulaPAINAJAINEN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuLX8u_RM-M
TERVEET KÄDET http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLycmd0B_80
TK's Ääretön joulu is among my all time top 5 punk records and the Painajainen 7" definitely hits top 10 among the Finnish 7"s. I guess Mr. Umpio still has the LP+7" set of Painajainen for really affortable price - the more metal influenced lp is not bad either. Pathetic lyrics just fit some punk records so well.
Quote from: Ernpe on March 23, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Its all "hardcore" though isn't it? Never got all the hype about it due to twangy, flimsy, weak guitars, spastic drumming, and not too many memorable parts if ever. Most songs bleed into each other and it doesn't grab my attention at all. Reminds me of HNW to be honest. Same same same same same same. Lastly, bitch ass vocals to boot, and a language that I don't understand, which doesn't allow me to get a fuller grasp at what the band is trying to do. Maybe if I knew what they were yelling about, I'd get into it. I doubt it though.
Quote from: Reprobate on March 23, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
Didn't really care for Harvest of the Carcass. Too moshy for me.
But you like Nails? And don't tell me "its because they have blast beats", there are TONS of mosh parts on that first release. Fuck, when they played Chicago it was all the tough guys.
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
NEW LOWS sounds just impotent for my ears. I think it is stange that someone finds that kind of stuff hateful!
Thats cool because Finnish/Swedish hardcore are beyond impotent for me, as in where were the balls in the first place?
Lyrically New Lows is ugly, ugly, ugly. However this may not translate well with someone who doesn't have a full grasp of the language, as I mentioned earlier.
You guys excelled better at noisecore then hardcore quite frankly.
Also, probably should've mentioned them earlier but:
CURSED (I, II, and parts of III fucking slay).
RINGWORM
INTEGRITY (early)
STANGE DAYS AHEAD.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Ernpe on March 23, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Its all "hardcore" though isn't it?
If you forget subgenres, both Vomir and Xeoophobic Ejaculation can be called noise. There is still plenty of difference and plenty of different things to diggest. I see a big difference between early 80s Finnish, Swedish, UK's, Italys and US west and east cost hardcore - some I like more than other, but never I have felt need to compare like Terveet Kädet to Minor Threat.
When it comes to more modern, more produced stuff, the differences become even wider. I guess it is much up to what you are used to and with what stuff are you grown with. Like I just hate certain type of sound at bass drum or at snare drum - take some random guy who have grown into post-80s metal/rock and he probably sees nothing wrong with it and asks me why I love such a awful amateurish sounding shit.
Personally I do also listen to some bits of modern and metallic hardcore but the beyond impotent stuff is the most important to me.
Trap Them straddle the line between grind/d-beat/hardcore. Great stuff.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Ernpe on March 23, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Its all "hardcore" though isn't it? Never got all the hype about it due to twangy, flimsy, weak guitars, spastic drumming, and not too many memorable parts if ever. Most songs bleed into each other and it doesn't grab my attention at all. Reminds me of HNW to be honest. Same same same same same same. Lastly, bitch ass vocals to boot, and a language that I don't understand, which doesn't allow me to get a fuller grasp at what the band is trying to do. Maybe if I knew what they were yelling about, I'd get into it. I doubt it though.
I guess you are pretty much for safe&sane stuff? ..weak guitars, spastic drumming etc. are for me Raw,crude,nasty and chaotic.
Like CONFUSION http://www.discogs.com/Confusion-Hopeless/master/217406 !!! or some of the best early Finnish HC.
Stuff you worship is in my books pretty close to BLINK 182 or something.. TONS of mosh parts..oh dear. Baseball caps worn backwards and silly shorts. You call that angry/frustrated/hateful.huh!
edit: women`s day went but here we go : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOy92sm115g
Used to be a big fan of punk and HC. Listen to less now but still return to "classics" from time to time. I'm very much out of the loop with new bands who don't make noise! For me personally there is definitely a connection between punk and noise/P.E./etc.
Framtid are another class Jap bunch.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 23, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Ernpe on March 23, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
The charm of classic Scandinavian hardcore is hardly in the hateful/frustrated mood that can be found in some metal influenced, double bass drum driven stuff like New Lows. But rather in the honest, drunken, chaotic way of putting things out. They are hardly to be compared.
Its all "hardcore" though isn't it? Never got all the hype about it due to twangy, flimsy, weak guitars, spastic drumming, and not too many memorable parts if ever. Most songs bleed into each other and it doesn't grab my attention at all. Reminds me of HNW to be honest. Same same same same same same. Lastly, bitch ass vocals to boot, and a language that I don't understand, which doesn't allow me to get a fuller grasp at what the band is trying to do. Maybe if I knew what they were yelling about, I'd get into it. I doubt it though.
Quote from: Reprobate on March 23, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
Didn't really care for Harvest of the Carcass. Too moshy for me.
But you like Nails? And don't tell me "its because they have blast beats", there are TONS of mosh parts on that first release. Fuck, when they played Chicago it was all the tough guys.
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
NEW LOWS sounds just impotent for my ears. I think it is stange that someone finds that kind of stuff hateful!
Thats cool because Finnish/Swedish hardcore are beyond impotent for me, as in where were the balls in the first place?
Lyrically New Lows is ugly, ugly, ugly. However this may not translate well with someone who doesn't have a full grasp of the language, as I mentioned earlier.
You guys excelled better at noisecore then hardcore quite frankly.
Also, probably should've mentioned them earlier but:
CURSED (I, II, and parts of III fucking slay).
RINGWORM
INTEGRITY (early)
STANGE DAYS AHEAD.
Cursed is one of my favorite bands. Same with Integrity, even current Integrity, seeing as how the Blackest Curse is a return to their old sound. And no, with Nails it's not the blast beats (although I think those are good). I guess New Lows just didn't hit it for me. Not saying I hate mosh-y stuff, I definitely don't, but I didn't really feel anything when I listened to Harvest of the Carcass. And I guarantee if you saw New Lows in Chicago, you'd see tough guys too.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on March 23, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
Trap Them straddle the line between grind/d-beat/hardcore. Great stuff.
Definitely agreed, although I didn't care for "Darker Handcraft" as much as their previous stuff.
I know honor_is_king brought up Integrity and Ringworm, but anyone into other Holy Terror stuff? I really dig Blind To Faith and Rot in Hell.
Am I the only one here who doesn't come from a punk or HC background? Or for that matter struggles to give much of a shit about those genres. I can say with absolute certainty that no fucking punk etc has had any influence on what I do as Shift.
Cheers Simon! I can possibly make an exception for Cro-Mags but not so much for the music as in the military manner in which they conducted themselves when I saw them in 91. Seeing them and their crew come charging single file out the door at 6am humping their gear on their backs and on to the sleeper with the man in front shouting out orders was impressive as hell. Poser group Laibach certainly didn't act like that off stage. After miming their set Laibach went back to being pot smoking liberals. Cro-Mags acted like the real fucking deal!
Merzbow's Noisembryo or Artificial Invagination is clearly music in comparison to Confusion's Hopeless. I'm someone who finds the argument that "noise isn't music" to be silly, but I can almost get there with Confusion. That band was primal, raw, caveman particles of nastiness. One of the all-time great 7"s. Fierceness and actual brutality captured on record. Can't let a Confusion mention go without adding to its admiration.
This is a funny thread. Give me a minute. I want to grab a sarsaparilla, lawn chair, and straw hat.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 24, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
Am I the only one here who doesn't come from a punk or HC background? Or for that matter struggles to give much of a shit about those genres. I can say with absolute certainty that no fucking punk etc has had any influence on what I do as Shift.
eh, i listen to a few punk bands (flipper style mostly) but to be honest I just don't get the obsession with a genre that is 98% crap. same goes for metal and jazz. maybe its the fans that do it. never liked punks never liked metal heads
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 24, 2012, 04:23:22 AMShift, what did you listen to during your early teen years?
Early teens were synthpop and EBM mostly with the odd industrial addition of SPK, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire. I think my move into the synth thing started with my older brother taking me along to see Indochine when I was 12. It was probably the first time I'd seen people dressed in black and wearing make up etc. On one level it was terrifying but on the other it was the coolest and most extreme shit I'd experienced and I wanted to be part of it. This would have been 1985. At 13 I was in, at 16 I was out. Looks/image wise at least. I became a skinhead because I liked to fight. Never really got on with the music and remained a DM etc fan.
It's hard to say what exactly is the "background" for me, since pretty much everything happened at the same time. To find harder metal, punk and noise all happened in matter of months. In small towns of such era, was no "scene" for specific style really. You got to know bands by tapes from friends or international trades. Some records at gigs etc.
Even if I never was really BIG punk collector, I did my share of punk fanzines in 90's and organized some gigs, and played in some bands (most notable perhaps HARSH (fin)) etc. I do have several hundreds of punk records. I like several styles, where few examples are mentioned. Each category one could of course list several more examples:
UK Anarcho punk, I do have Crass and all those, yet my favorite always was:
APOSTLES. Hard to find online samples (or even records!) what would fully represent them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKLXEKgU1o&feature=related
Oi
THE BUSINESS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCznMqhPwgw
COCK SPARRER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq85vxM2DoY
USA hardcore/power violence
INFEST (crappy sound transfer, though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwdmvhejqWs&feature=related
CROSSED OUT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhrlQ23Xd4
SIEGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgOA41tw0CI
80's uk
SORE THROAT - at best their Abraham's Ear demo/7", but also the stench crust core goes well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a7GZB01ASc&feature=related
EXTREME NOISE TERROR - split with Chaos UK is probably my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKZX_zRY3yc
DOOM - need to say more? I like this era of bands sound and guttural vocal style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW7QZJDUbg
Grindcore
NAPALM DEATH - of course!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkzibXbPwnk
BLOOD - actually I got this same time as "From enslavement to obliteration" and sheer obscurity of it made me lifetime worshipper! Belongs to my most ever listened albums together with "ABlaze in the northern sky" and "Extreme Aggression".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kop83Lljw18
One could list probably hundred great 7"s, but since I noticed someone uploaded Dogmatized 7" (named after Blood track? Don't know), lets link that. Good example of crude and nasty 80's & 90's grind 7"s were, and how pure gold they are compared to just about anything coming now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXHGjFsAOks
Italian HC
Wretched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm7SNmeXd1A&feature=related
Negazione
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3WxaFUhVI
have to mention Cripple Bastards Negazione cover song, I just loved those fly-buzz sounding guitars and language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-duubcWgsc&feature=related
South american chaos
BRIGADA DO ODIO - Olho Seco split LP is one of the releases what surely bends the line of music/noise, already so early in punk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGVIVcEQiE
CONFUSION - cult beyond words!!
Finnish hc/punk
TUOMIOPÄIVÄN LAPSET - their best session, but not best track from it. Best would have been Mustat Liput!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_fEy3_urSM
KAAOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROGzGQ1Qd8&feature=related
TERVEET KÄDET - my favorite TK song. Great lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WURyZt5v8c
FORCA MACABRA - Finnish band tributing brazil hc. Was always great, also live!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3zQt1OqtE
UUTUUS - killer band. Perhaps one responsible for Finnish 82 hc revival back in early/mid 90's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYmOIFC_7E
MELLAKKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMvRIr0Hw3M
RYTMIHÄIRIÖ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og6Cyrw-fLc
Finnish punk
Kakkahätä 77 - I think it's little shame the name of band is for many such turn off, but actually I find music and lyrics to have much more point than vast majority of punk happening anymore. 2nd LP has been rotated more than any contemporary punk in my household.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwcZFBEQwPU&feature=related
RATSIA - svart just re-issued their LPs last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmEWExju1_c
punk & rock'n'roll scum
GG Allin - The king of scum!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7lUMC-m3Q
Antiseen - absolute kings as well. Not so long ago managed to score nearly 20 7"s of Antiseen from local collector for bargain price. I though I had pretty extensive Antiseen collection, but band has so huge discography it's pointless to hunt all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS63vl3-_To
skinhead/rac
Mistreat - Finnish legend since '88. Especially first couple albums kill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzj9MtfWHMs&skipcontrinter=1
Freikorps - my absolute favorite of German melodic oi/punk type nazi rock. Sloppy, untight, and all, but merciless understanding of catchy melody!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPH1f94lrjA
If anyone could tell what lyrics are in english of this, I'd appreciate very much:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLv9OAV25U
Kraftschlag - one of the many "basic" germans. Always appealed my tastes, but of course technically it can be done better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW1sV0FVBvM
(like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw4qTc_38xQ)
No Remorse - absolute kings of white rock. First band to throw swastika in cover, while same era Skrewdriver etc were slightly discreet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Ev6Z8lqI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Ev6Z8lqI0
the big boys
MISFITS of course!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-rWDjhl4Aw
SEX PISTOLS best pistols track?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfChDxrz4Ow
Spend the whole 90´s involved in the Swedish hardcore scene, and i am not alone i recognize .Can´t say that very much have influenced my music but bands like Gasp, Man is the bastard, early Black Dice, early Locust etc opened up for a whole new music universe for me.
I still listened to allot of stuff like Infest, Viod, Heroin, Born Against, Minor Threat, gasp, i Spy, His hero is gone, Antioch Arrow etc.
This Void track is possible the best track in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozr4MJ7C1Yw&feature=related
Listened the track and from "related" list noticed Die Kreuzen. If someone didn't know, it was members of Boy Dirt Car / Impact Test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JeXDIQEurc&feature=related
Talking of Swedish hc-punk obviously:
Anti Cimex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHayTB4B64&feature=related
Used to play "Set Me Free" as cover song of 90's crust band I was singer for couple years
and another cover was Shitlickets "warsystem"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdfl7E2Pzco&feature=related
This 7" I'm looking for:
Discard "death from above"... if anyone has for sale/trade, let me know..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ArgiNwrro&feature=related
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 24, 2012, 09:49:05 AMKakkahätä 77 - I think it's little shame the name of band is for many such turn off, but actually I find music and lyrics to have much more point than vast majority of punk happening anymore. 2nd LP has been rotated more than any contemporary punk in my household.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwcZFBEQwPU&feature=related
I find really hard to understand the hype around this band. Like the track linked, sounds just too sloppy and lazy all around. Kollaa Kestää, another classic Finnish punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3YWEDrk7aQ) is among my favorites and it is definitely as sloppy and as lazy, so I don't know what is wrong with KH. Perhaps the distinctive playing and singing of mr. Bergman - no offence to the man himself, though.
I had the first demo tape of Kakkahätä, then they still sounded somewhat raw and rock'n roll.
Yet there seems to be another band sounding very much the same, hoh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecs6UQu_RWc&feature=related
edit: somehow almost all 77-punk done after the 70s sound either too street/skate-punk or way too sloppy. Where is the rocking stuff such as Ratsia or Pelle Miljoona 1980.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 24, 2012, 09:49:05 AM
APOSTLES. Hard to find online samples (or even records!) what would fully represent them.
Have you looked over at killyourpetpuppy.co.uk ? Loads of obscure Apostles material uploaded there (demos, rehearsals, gigs, private tapes, etc). Also plenty of stuff by the rest of the usual anarcho suspects, Crass, Flux, The Mob, Amebix, the list goes on and on.
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
I guess you are pretty much for safe&sane stuff?
Yes, mainly safe stuff like xBrainiax. THAT is quality spastic drumming.
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
You call that angry/frustrated/hateful.huh!
Huh, yeah, wow. Yes I would, but then again my friend summed it up pretty well for me, as to why you can't understand:
"...Of course he's not going to think its angry, that dude shits on himself. He's more mad then you could imagine."
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 25, 2012, 07:41:27 PM
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
I guess you are pretty much for safe&sane stuff?
Yes, mainly safe stuff like xBrainiax. THAT is quality spastic drumming.
Quote from: Markkula on March 23, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
You call that angry/frustrated/hateful.huh!
Huh, yeah, wow. Yes I would, but then again my friend summed it up pretty well for me, as to why you can't understand:
"...Of course he's not going to think its angry, that dude shits on himself. He's more mad then you could imagine."
No need to try to be rude. We just got different opinions whats hateful/angry etc. stuff.
Tell your friend he has been misleaded.. female excrement only.
One name I would like to add for this thread- CRYPTIC SLAUGHTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErYafUrmHlw
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 24, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
Am I the only one here who doesn't come from a punk or HC background? Or for that matter struggles to give much of a shit about those genres.
Quote from: Si Clark on March 24, 2012, 01:19:16 AMI've never had any real interest in punk/hardcore stuff. I like punk influenced black metal bands like Bone Awl but that's about as far as it goes. I can listen to it I'm just not into it in any way.
Agreed. I've always held a dislike for punk (and fucking ska) because a) the music never made me feel anything aside from irritation and b) the people who were into punk while I was in junior high/high school were a bunch of spoiled rich kids who liked to play dress-up and act like crust punks. Pathetic. Kinda funny when you see a classmate with dirty dreadlocks wearing tattered rags covered in patches and spikes, but he's also wearing a wristwatch worth hundreds of dollars and drives a souped-up Japanese rice-grinder straight out of The Fast & The Furious.
Quote from: theotherjohn on March 26, 2012, 02:35:37 AM
My background is Smash Hits magazine, Top of the Pops and Radio 1...
Well same here really but I'm of an age when that stuff was filled with late wave punk like Cockney Rejects and UK Subs.
I know it's opening a tedious can of worms to even comment on RAC but I will say that the 'classic' Skrewdriver material (Hail The New Dawn etc) is really dull and badly produced music with remarkably tame lyrics. And I am almost certainly the only person on this board who has shared album space with Skrewdriver, http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Ugly-Truth-About-Blackpool-Volume-One/release/2222092
On the other hand a song like No Remorse's well out of order 'Oi Monkey' is unforgettable and I've sat around listening to that with people who have seriously anti-fascist tendencies who can't help but shake their heads and grin in grudging admiration at its wild offensiveness.
No-one has mentioned the Germs yet. The 'Lexicon Devil' Darby Crash biog is a great and very strange story and you'll never hear their music in the same way after reading that.
Some of what Andy Martin of the Apostles is doing nowadays with young Chinese and Vietnamese musicians in 'Unit' is quite astonishing but it's best classed as some kind of genuinely outsider music, not anything to do with punk.
I recall mr. Blood Axis did the interview with Rahowa for Sounds magazine and mentioned RAC bands are typically the bands which are so bad, they would never get any deal from anyone if there wasn't the lyrics and artwork.
And it may be true, but... As it was made clear: there IS the lyrics and artwork. hah.
It is of course matter of taste, but I don't think you can find so utterly ape-like aggression in regular punk? It's like comparing streetfight with dancing. No groove, no neatness, no artistic value. Just fist in the face. Sometime lame drunken pub fight fist, sometimes ultimate fight fist. But fist nevertheless. You know that these guys are not musicians. They are not, and will not be. They are just knuckle draggers with instruments.
To me, something like Apostles, kind of hits the same spot as some of the RAC. Even if Apostles is gay skin anarcho experimental folk-punk (? eh), it's sheer "lets just do this" 4-tracker albums hits just like for example Skullhead albums. UK accent, hand drawn covers, out-of-order recording quality, musical skills close to nothing,.... PUNK!? Possibly. Just something out of the atmosphere of "musicians" or proper "artists".
I miss this clumsy pub rock influence in contemporary WP music. All that hate-metalcore nonsense and crappy metal is plain horrid. Especially repulsive is the level of the "offensiveness", where all these Grinded Nig type of bands appear to be... lost in senseless negro hating BS. Forgetting any real substance there could be. I mean, beyond simplistic offenses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQKROqazOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJqFwgd4byU&feature=related
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
It is of course matter of taste, but I don't think you can find so utterly ape-like aggression in regular punk? It's like comparing streetfight with dancing. No groove, no neatness, no artistic value. Just fist in the face. Sometime lame drunken pub fight fist, sometimes ultimate fight fist. But fist nevertheless. You know that these guys are not musicians. They are not, and will not be. They are just knuckle draggers with instruments.
I think some of The Exploited's output is close to this. The comments in between songs on early live releases like "This is for all you guys who sniff glue", "This is for the birds with big tits" "Any you like Crass? Crass are a bunch of wankers, fuck anarchy and peace, anarchy and chaos!" Music variable but sometimes great, brutal and minimal. Their 2003 album 'Fuck The System' is worth a listen and very funny too - unintentionally.
Best story about Wattie I ever heard was when someone in his local pub said 'heard your new album, sounds more metal than punk' - Wattie headbutted the guy, left him in a pool of blood and said 'Is that punk enough for you?' - despite this I've also heard he can be a very nice guy. Just not too much going on in his brain except endless 'anarchy and chaos'.
Quote from: Ernpe on March 24, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 24, 2012, 09:49:05 AMKakkahätä 77 - I think it's little shame the name of band is for many such turn off, but actually I find music and lyrics to have much more point than vast majority of punk happening anymore. 2nd LP has been rotated more than any contemporary punk in my household.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwcZFBEQwPU&feature=related
I find really hard to understand the hype around this band. Like the track linked, sounds just too sloppy and lazy all around. Kollaa Kestää, another classic Finnish punk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3YWEDrk7aQ) is among my favorites and it is definitely as sloppy and as lazy, so I don't know what is wrong with KH. Perhaps the distinctive playing and singing of mr. Bergman - no offence to the man himself, though.
I had the first demo tape of Kakkahätä, then they still sounded somewhat raw and rock'n roll.
Yet there seems to be another band sounding very much the same, hoh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecs6UQu_RWc&feature=related
edit: somehow almost all 77-punk done after the 70s sound either too street/skate-punk or way too sloppy. Where is the rocking stuff such as Ratsia or Pelle Miljoona 1980.
I'm not so involved in punk scene. I just buy & listen records. So I'm not so sure about what bands are hyped and what not. I would guess that Kakkahätä 77 appeal would be based on sound and themes of lyrics? Riffs and melodies most certainly are so traditional, there is very little "new" in it, but if you compared it to naive soft Kollaa Kestää content, this is the 2010 substance abuse and nihilism and rough sonic quality as intent?
If you'd replace sound with clean studio production and add bright, loud and clear singing vocalist, it would probably be just the mall-punk...
A few of my favourites, old and (almost) new:
BAD RELIGION - we are only gonna die
I still like what they're doing nowadays, they're one of my fave bands ever, but this early track really sums it all up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFMmc85gDIw
THE RIP OFFS - cops
Always loved them. Simple, catchy, funny, lo-fi punk rock, and they were amazing live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNENB_Ao9J8
GUITAR WOLF - jet generation
Punk rock with a strong emphasis on the 'rock' side, but noisier than anyone else in their field... well, except maybe for The Mummies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82ukYXj52U
DEAD BOYS - sonic reducer
Nothing else to say, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdu3EU6sbng
CRIME - hot wire my heart / baby you're so repulsive
These guys had it all... the tunes, the look, the 'fuck you' attitude, everything. Maybe my favourite among the earliest punk bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBBh7cvxK9w
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 26, 2012, 08:59:28 PM
Best story about Wattie I ever heard was when someone in his local pub said 'heard your new album, sounds more metal than punk' - Wattie headbutted the guy, left him in a pool of blood and said 'Is that punk enough for you?' - despite this I've also heard he can be a very nice guy. Just not too much going on in his brain except endless 'anarchy and chaos'.
There's the old, neverending gossip source, hah.. The Exploited trying the tell they are not "nazi band" or "nazi punks" and tons of sites and gossip hungry punks offering evidence. Older guy in next city used to order B&H magazines from Exploited member who was running the business back then.
DEAD BOYS is good reference!
Of course I got to know band only after GNR made their cover song.. featuring finnish rock hero M.Monroe as backing vocalist. Bought few LP's after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwSuUa_N9tE
I do prefer GNR version.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEArS2gtYGQ&feature=related
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
ape-like aggression
LANDSER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MByQGtQoe50&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe7LeoSpsoI&skipcontrinter=1
edit: More controlled aggression RACE WAR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwsKUSjjo_s&skipcontrinter=1
I usually prefer filthy sloppy stuff, but this is so damn good!
How about YDI?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrrM-yTJxjU
Quote from: Stridulum on March 26, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
BAD RELIGION
When BAD RELIGION mentioned this is what comes to my mind first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPL1g6MUGk&feature=related
Quote from: Markkula on March 26, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: Stridulum on March 26, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
BAD RELIGION
When BAD RELIGION mentioned this is what comes to my mind first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPL1g6MUGk&feature=related
Similarities are indeed huge. But then again, BR influenced lots of bands... even those that they may have not wanted to in the first place. They're not bad, though.
Anyway, to even the (political) balance a little bit, here's the best commie sXe band ever:
MANLIFTINGBANNER - still straight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC-E-rFAHFA
And anyone here besides me and Tiny Tove likes some good old youth crew stuff?
CHAIN OF STRENGTH -too deep until now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSlFGjKoB8M
UNIFORM CHOICE - screaming for change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7jpeTJaqIg
And back to some punk...
ADOLESCENTS - no way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW1Oq2kQjHU
Shit, I could go on all day... so many great bands...
EDIT - I almost forgot this, used to listen to it every day about five or six times in a row some 20 years ago...
STALAG 13 - conditioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofWFMmp9r4
I could never really get into the youth crew stuff. I especially hate the revival that's currently going on.
Does KILLING JOKE qualify as punk?
I'll rephrase that question, would any of you more punk savvy people here qualify KJ within the wider punk bracket?
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 26, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
Does KILLING JOKE qualify as punk?
I'll rephrase that question, would any of you more punk savvy people here qualify KJ within the wider punk bracket?
Well, I'd say that the first KJ album is a lot of things, and punk is undoubtedly one of them.
But to consider Killing Joke a punk band, at least musically, is not doing them any justice.
Quote from: Stridulum on March 26, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 26, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
Does KILLING JOKE qualify as punk?
I'll rephrase that question, would any of you more punk savvy people here qualify KJ within the wider punk bracket?
Well, I'd say that the first KJ album is a lot of things, and punk is undoubtedly one of them.
But to consider Killing Joke a punk band, at least musically, is not doing them any justice.
That would be my assessment as well. I fucking love KJ. They have had a huge impact on me. Especially the Extremities album but I love almost everything from them. Even the really slick mid 80's albums.
And Killing Joke are still very enjoyable to see live!
Quote from: Stridulum on March 26, 2012, 11:03:51 PMAnd anyone here besides me and Tiny Tove likes some good old youth crew stuff?
I'm really into classic sxe hardcore. JUDGE would be one of my favorites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3eYBpa8UgQ
Hardcore is a big part of my counterculture roots--spent most of the '90s immersed in that scene. I remember generally feeling like an outsider also liking stuff like Cabaret Voltaire & TG at that time, though--not many people I knew in the hardcore/punk scene shared my enthusiasm... I don't keep great track of what's going on in hardcore/punk at this stage. I still have a number of records I consider classics, but not a great deal of enthusiasm for checking out new acts, etc.--too many other things demanding my attention. In fact, I just put a lot of my old hardcore records up for sale so as to make more room for industrial and experimental stuff....
In terms of punk in general, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned THE CRUCIFUCKS on this thread yet. The first album is so obnoxious, so great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAoMIDejZrg
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 26, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
Does KILLING JOKE qualify as punk?
I'll rephrase that question, would any of you more punk savvy people here qualify KJ within the wider punk bracket?
LOVE LIKE BLOOD
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2012, 10:03:32 PM
GNR
I have often watched GNR videos before Hobs and S&Q shows to pick up classic stagecraft tips. Ridiculous band but Axl Rose is some kind of twisted and deeply confused genius.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 28, 2012, 12:36:45 AM
Drunks with Guns (there was a rumour one of the members was a kiddy diddler)
If the guy could control himself around the later singer "Melissa" then there's something seriously fucking wrong with him.
QuoteI have often watched GNR videos before Hobs and S&Q shows to pick up classic stagecraft tips. Ridiculous band but Axl Rose is some kind of twisted and deeply confused genius.
I know it's not punk or HC but I think their
Appetite for Destruction album is simply perfect. It was my first ever musical purchase, on cassette in 1992 or '93. I bought it again on CD a few years ago and I can say nostalgia has nothing do with the fact that I still love it.
I belong to such generation where GNR was simply the biggest band out there and I got really into it before finding underground music. As remains of teen boy impact, I do have more GNR cd's and records than any other band/artist. I guess couple hundred. Like usual, many of the rough demo tracks offer more than finished albums. Although no bad things to say about Appetite or Lies.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 24, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
Am I the only one here who doesn't come from a punk or HC background? Or for that matter struggles to give much of a shit about those genres. I can say with absolute certainty that no fucking punk etc has had any influence on what I do as Shift.
I got into industrial, hardcore and metal all at roughly the same time. My background is actually progressive rock, krautrock and post rock stuff in terms of listening as well as playing in formal jazz / funk / swing bands throughout school. Maybe someday I'll upload you guys my old jam band's demos.
Powerviolence is pretty crucial to my hardcore listening. I'm not too into youth crew / NYxHC stuff with the exception of some of the bigger names... Never really got into the scandinavian or japanese hXc stuff, but I haven't looked too hard also.
Some 90s metalcore is good (Earth Crisis, Integrity, Racetraitor, Abnegation, etc) but I feel like the powerviolence / thrashcore stuff is a bit more appealing to me.
The last two big "trends" of hardcore (raw "mysterious guy hardcore" and this current blackened neo-crust thing) have both been more appealing. I've been enjoying a lot of stuff in the latter of those two recently, especially Trap Them, Masakari, Enabler, Vestiges, Downfall Of Gaia, Alpinist, etc...
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on March 24, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
Am I the only one here who doesn't come from a punk or HC background? Or for that matter struggles to give much of a shit about those genres. I can say with absolute certainty that no fucking punk etc has had any influence on what I do as Shift.
I come from a Very Metal background, have been listening only to Heavy, Black, Death, Thrash Metal for years before I got into some Ambient and from there into Industrial and Noise.
As for Punk and Hardcore: never really interested me, but since the last couple of years I've been listening to some stuff like Doom, Extreme Noise Terror, Raw Noise, Wolfpack/Wolfbrigade... As for Hardcore, I only got 2 CDs from Agnostic Front (which I got in a kind of lottery from a media store and with which I won about 200 CDs), and I quite like it, though don't listen to it too much.
ok 10 punk/hc tracks I can't live without;:
Integrity: Micha :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasKqCQYIrg
cro mags: we gotta know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BLcCM8nPYQ
DRI: I don't need society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPt-s5w9W3Q
Gang Green: Another wasted night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOdMMPquZUE
RKL: Keep laughing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2mxxblgSI
adolescents: amoeba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV1mx1Rwko
SLAPSHOT: step on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iv3TwQC-A
Nabat - Scenderemo Nelle Strade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhfYM1o9i3Q
Killing Time - Tell Tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d2i3hqxTaM
ANTISEEN - guns ablazin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AASY8YLB_3c
it's arguable that i listen to punk/hc/oi more than anything else.. with the exception of metal.
can't live without: GG ALLIN (in any incarnation), THE RAMONES, DIE KREUZEN, FLIPPER (i'll call em punk, i guess), COCK SPARRER, HARD SKIN, THE BUSINESS, BLITZ, THE MISFITS (danzig era mostly, though some of the michael graves stuff is ok), BLACK FLAG, etc. etc. etc. ....
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Quote from: tiny_tove on March 28, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
ok 10 punk/hc tracks I can't live without;:
Integrity: Micha :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasKqCQYIrg
cro mags: we gotta know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BLcCM8nPYQ
DRI: I don't need society
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPt-s5w9W3Q
Gang Green: Another wasted night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOdMMPquZUE
RKL: Keep laughing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2mxxblgSI
adolescents: amoeba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDV1mx1Rwko
SLAPSHOT: step on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iv3TwQC-A
Nabat - Scenderemo Nelle Strade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhfYM1o9i3Q
Killing Time - Tell Tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d2i3hqxTaM
ANTISEEN - guns ablazin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AASY8YLB_3c
Fuck, what a bunch of classics! :)
Oh well, since this thread made me a bit nostalgic, here are some other personal faves, this time from my own homeland:
INDIGESTI - silenzio statico
Maybe their best track? Surely the most famous. This is what italian HC was all about. Fighting the dullness of northern Italy's urban/suburban areas with an urgency that's been very seldom recaptured by other bands. Hardcore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5KZCGyLPAI
RAW POWER - state oppression
Another full fledged classic of italoHC. Same as above. And since we were talking about GN'R, not many people know that in the very early stages of their career the Guns even opened a Raw Power gig! But in those days GN'R had the ferocity and stage antics of a punk band, so that's not surprising after all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hfU9cE3Tho
NEGAZIONE - dritto contro un muro
I'd be curious to know what Italian HC record foreigners consider to be the best one. Many italians (like me) think that the first Negazione LP is still unsurpassed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1JuyExvK0
RAPPRESAGLIA - attack
Fast pace, political lyrics, frustrated voice, another italian HC classic. Just listen to the bass at the beginning... wonderful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlo7pfyvTGk
BED BOYS - se un giorno accadesse
Political HC/punk band from Turin, one of the lesser known in the italoHC milieu, but a real forgotten gem. The first song from their 7" EP 'L'indifferenza uccide' is one of the best HC songs ever in my opinion. I didn't find the single track on youtube but you can hear the whole EP here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WmGLA9CZA
CRASH BOX - nato per essere veloce
One of the best anthems of italian hardcore, the title translates into 'born to be fast' and has become a sort of catchphrase for people who like this kind of music.
This version is a re-recording made for their first LP, 'finale', it features a guitar that's a bit more metal than usual, but IMO it's the best sounding version there is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Npi1Ij8L0
KINA - questi anni
The italian equivalent of Husker Du. This is their best track ever... unfortunately it won't say much to those of you who don't understand Italian, but the lyrics are among the very best (if not THE very best) that you can find in this genre in this country. Still gives me shivers every time I hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWNsDvcfpwI
SOTTOPRESSIONE - distruggersi per poi risorgere
The best italian HC band of the 90's. Period. They did two albums, a 7", a bunch of tracks here and there, and not a single bad thing. Amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=128sYt6w4kM
more classics:
blitz (i think survival unit covered "warriors" somewhere)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uauJaamtoew
nerorgasmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpdw0UxpFyU
the adverts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWApeBRj1Zw
Quote from: m. on March 29, 2012, 12:19:59 AM
the adverts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWApeBRj1Zw
now, this is what i want to hear when i think of punk.
Quote from: Peterson on March 29, 2012, 02:09:45 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 28, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
ok 10 punk/hc tracks I can't live without;:
Integrity: Micha :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasKqCQYIrg
Great fucking track! Old Integrity rules, newer stuff is purely bullshit. "For Those Who Fear Tomorrow" is one of the only good "metalcore" albums I've heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyrrpEUQhlc
Great album but I've always preferred "Humanity is the Devil."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHJrg1W7Q0
And have you heard their newest stuff? The Blackest Curse is a great album. Sounds just like old Integrity. Same with their recent E.P.s.
Valvontakomissio !
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 28, 2012, 07:05:35 PM
Glad you mentioned Antiseen. They were great. I've seen a handful of times. First time, Jeff cut the fuck out of his forehead, bled like a stuck pig. The very next time I saw'em, he said that was the worst cut he ever had & still owed the Austin hospital. Another time, they had the stage strung with barbwire & he used the baseball (also wrapped in barbwire? Maybe that was another gig). They ended with a Skrewdriver cover. One of the performances was at a Confederacy of Scum festival. We went to their motel afterwards; nice guys, just sitting around... I don't even remember them drinking. Always loved their guitar tone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVRVFnbdLFI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BDfv-975I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5dTUrmd2s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccD-QQS7xhQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLv847o1L4g&feature=related
same here... saw them back in the days... they played in a squat, when they played skrewdriver there was total embarassment,. but nobody said anything....
fucking brilliant show
I love all the confederacy of scum related projects., especially cocknoose, bulemics and hellstomper.
some of my forthcoming stuff as caligula031 is highly influenced by them...
I will post more this afternoon
my fave cos related projects
cocknoose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07apzZlumVo
hellstomper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khl_T3_n4kI
bootleg bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24dmZD8n-8
the bulemics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VzVLAmsjcU
limecell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF6GHQ4xvko
rancid vat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZy1IvyzXjg
Quote from: Peterson on March 29, 2012, 02:09:45 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 28, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
ok 10 punk/hc tracks I can't live without;:
Integrity: Micha :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasKqCQYIrg
Great fucking track! Old Integrity rules, newer stuff is purely bullshit. "For Those Who Fear Tomorrow" is one of the only good "metalcore" albums I've heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyrrpEUQhlc
The newest album is terrible, but "The Blackest Curse" sounded like it could've been one from the "Humanity Is The Devil" / "Seasons In The Size Of Days" era (i.e. my favorite)...
Add that Dwid always wrote superb lyrics.
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 29, 2012, 05:24:42 PM
Add that Dwid always wrote superb lyrics.
Very, very true.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
It is of course matter of taste, but I don't think you can find so utterly ape-like aggression in regular punk? It's like comparing streetfight with dancing. No groove, no neatness, no artistic value.
Ape like aggression in punk? I'd say so, especially seeing how punk is pretty primitive in general and not terribly complex to perform. How are punk rockers supposed to be musicians?
Quote from: Peterson on March 29, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 29, 2012, 05:24:42 PM
Add that Dwid always wrote superb lyrics.
Seems like the guy did a lot of drugs, haha. Not necessarily bad in his case....guess it lead to an interest in extreme metal, PE/HN (he's wearing a Masonna shirt in the video I posted!!!), and of course, the occult. More hardcore needs to seriously dabble in the black arts. Other bands touting that vibe have always turned out to be fakes in my experience.
Interestingly, the biggest influence of the band (and holy terror, in general) has been The Process Church. Pretty interesting stuff. I recently downloaded a collection of their writings and pamphlets. I also know that there's been a book released on the Church. Here's plenty of info about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Process_Church_of_The_Final_Judgment
Charles Manson is also a huge influence on Dwid. I know he's released some of Manson's recordings.
This website is great: http://hate5six.com/videos.php
Plenty of full Integrity sets, along with tons of other hardcore/metal/punk bands.
We traded some stuff back in the days, mostly grey wolves material, etc.
Psywarfare did some interesting stuff as well.
anyway listening to two of my favourite songs ever:
poison idea - plastic bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIReGtr9Hs&feature=fvst
one of the bands that led me to hardcore punk....
the dwarves - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZhbN9vNIGU back in the early days they were the bizarre uproar of punk ehehhe
vadge moore used to run chtonic force, quite personal mix of pe/industrial
THE NEW BOMB TURKS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZpdBPggPv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N7hgwMvXxs
TEENGENERATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xULiB4LDB8Y
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 29, 2012, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
It is of course matter of taste, but I don't think you can find so utterly ape-like aggression in regular punk? It's like comparing streetfight with dancing. No groove, no neatness, no artistic value.
Ape like aggression in punk? I'd say so, especially seeing how punk is pretty primitive in general and not terribly complex to perform. How are punk rockers supposed to be musicians?
Well, it is matter of where you draw the line. It might not be progressive or utterly talented professional musician level, but plenty do have either musical grooviness or artistic vision. Which may lack from the ape-like thug bands. I will stand corrected if examples will prove it.
I think when songs reach the level of "how they dare to publish this", it can approach different kind of aesthetic pleasures.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 30, 2012, 02:49:10 AM
I saw The Dwarves put on an amazing set in Austin. Crowd was out of control; one woman was pretty much stripped & mass groped. She got on stage & one of the band members jumped onto her shoulders forcing her to the floor then shoved her into the crowd to be groped/abused. Set ended with people throwing bottles and a guy getting his head split open by a guitar. The stage had a loading ramp on one side so that's where I stood to get a bird's eyeview of all the mayhem.
Haven't heard any of their work in a long time & barely remember their 'sound'. Should check that out.
well musically now they are weaker, they still deliver some great tunes every now and then mixing very violent moments to melodic explosions (which i really like). but they sort of lost it.
some years ago we crossed the alps to see them In zurich. after the second project organizers inform us that they got arrested at the Swiss border because policemen were outraged by record covers---
we returned home pretty sad by the whole event and got fined 250 chf for driving 6 km over the speed limit... not the luckiest evening
anyway the shows I have seen of them were amongst the vilest and most violent I have ever witnessed.
"Dwarves Get Arrested
Dwarves
Find out more about Dwarves here
Posted: Fri Mar 18 2005 by Paul Diggett
The world's most dangerous band, The Dwarves, were arrested in Switzerland on Wednesday March 16th. What should have been a routine passport check at the German/Swiss border to enter non-EC and supposedly neutral Switzerland ended in a serious confrontation followed by arrests at gunpoint. When seeing the Dwarves emerge from their tour bus, the Swiss border police decided to do a thorough search of the bus and instantly took offence to the artwork of the Dwarves current album, "The Dwarves Must Die". The cover shows a real dwarf nailed to a wooden cross surrounded by three grieving ladies, who just happen to be naked. Already fuming at the blasphemous cover, upon further inspection they were horrified to
see the inside artwork. The border police decided to confiscate all the CD's and Dwarves merchandise. This sparked a furious debate which erupted into an almost violent confrontation. Dwarves front man Blag Dahlia aka Blag The Ripper said "I say almost violent. It would have been a real bloody battle had the fuckers not pulled guns on us!"
The band were handcuffed at gunpoint and subjected to a full cavity search to debase and humiliate them. Guitar terrorist HeWhocannotbenamed was not fazed by this, "The funny thing was they interrupted my poop session, I never got a chance to wipe. I think they came away with more than they bargained for!"
After being held for 4 hours, the band were fined 5000 Euros (�3500) and
allowed to leave with their merchandise, though they were not allowed into Switzerland. They had to cancel their show that night and drive back into Germany. Blag stated "We've been banned for the so called neutral
country of Switzerland. Fuck'em. They had a good yodel up our assholes
which resulted in HeWho giving them some swiss chocolate. We're sorry
for the fans that won't get to see us, but in a very strange way, we're
actually glad to be going back to Germany.
The Dwarves are continuing their European tour and will be playing the
UK from this weekend, so be afraid, be very afraid.
The Dwarves Must Die album has already caused controversy. Late last year Blag was attacked with a bottle at a show in the US as a result of the contents. The Dwarves Must Die is available now on Greedy/Sympathy For The Record Industry. "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzNQlwa7Cc
los crudos
try to get the documentary Martin did on latino punk, absolutely a classic
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 29, 2012, 03:31:35 AM
Valvontakomissio !
Yeah!! Saw them live early 90s as a teen boy. Split LP w/ NO SECURITY damn good! Some lyrics about piss and shit, lust for little sister etc. One of their live at "Lepakko" Helsinki included heavy whipping of some band member.. Unfortunately I wasnt there at that time.. Heard stories afterwards. What I understood it was very heavy action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1ercZ-dKE
edit: another one from same era RYTMIHÄIRIÖ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM_EkeZKA9s they turned to utter shit but this early days sample from their 2nd 7" is pure gold.
..and more ALENNUSMYYNTI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFHPryVqdis
when I think of hardcore I think of negative approach...
saw their reunion tour and it was devastating...
nothing/can't tell no one are probably two of the best punk/oi songs ever
another underrated project in the same style was N.O.T.A., their lp is a complete masterpiece...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNKxPJaUpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYGZkZ9VDrQ
can't finde their best song TOY SOLDIER.
devastating record.... one of my fave bassist player ever (along with craig setari).
speaking of great bassist players...
zero boys, one of the first "international" punk bands I ever seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_PFDVHZYi4
and then another forgotten classic, youth brigade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZc3anf664
and toxic reasons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5y4qPtQVzQ&feature=related
Local (Cape Cod) legends. 33 years and still going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWMpyMWGDnY
long live the freeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIH8TJO_jBE&feature=relmfu
fu's
and jerry's kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLMWzDCQdns
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 03, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
$2.50 for a 7"?!?
lucky if that covers shipping these days. heh.
my favorite FLIPPER video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCKaYTJzaZo
bad brains, despite the rastafarian imagery, were definitely a milestone for everybody who listened hc back then, and they should be also now!!!
they didn't sound/look/act on stage like anybody else....
the production in rock for light is a slap in the face...
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 04, 2012, 12:47:09 PM
bad brains, despite the rastafarian imagery, were definitely a milestone for everybody who listened hc back then, and they should be also now!!!
they didn't sound/look/act on stage like anybody else....
the production in rock for light is a slap in the face...
While I'm waiting for the Bad Brains doc ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2243163/ ) to arrive I've been listening to the Bad Brains Roir tape. Such a classic!
fuck... yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZotWsKfPwA&feature=related
cbgb's 1982.... these things make me wanna throw out from the window everything else...
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 03, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
I still own both lps by The Freeze
You've got some catching up to do, Keith! They've got six.
Fourth of July '09 at the Black Spot (R.I.P.) here on the Cape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGSOH3EUzY&list=UUTjmsVdesFbT1eWc3wJQxDg&index=27&feature=plpp_video
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 04, 2012, 12:47:09 PM
bad brains....the production in rock for light is a slap in the face...
Ric Ocasek from the Cars produced that and it was bad. It was remixed in 1991 by Ocasek and and Darryl Jenifer so subsequent reissues sound marginally better.
QuoteBad Brains
ROIR versions of the tracks are ten times better than Rock For Light versions IMO
Quote from: KHH on April 04, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
QuoteBad Brains
ROIR versions of the tracks are ten times better than Rock For Light versions IMO
A-fucking-men. That album is FLAWLESS.
I prefer Black Dots over both ROIR and Rock for Light. I didn't feel that way at first.
a fistful of "hardcore italiano"
negazione
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckgv5G1m1pQ
indigesti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyX76aM_8vw
wretched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMFVSJKVvcU
ccm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhQ6-DK95Pg&feature=related
chain reaction -one of my faves ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhij6xzzbzw
kina -my personal faves, more husker du oriented, but the backbone of Italian punk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JQZ4BSd05k
high circle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg0Ir8-uDqw
bloody riot - this is probably one of Italy's classics. they were really hardcore people, making enemies everywhere they went, especially anarcho punx..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ3Wt0D9wtw
atrox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtkUKYtsHqE
and from my area, the first HC band I ever listened to when I was 12... and my life changed forever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID3wcZ-VkHc
Dr. Know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6OM7FxO2cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CsKRoDZ8Ck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqoUcuoU-UQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTvcNm1ksRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy9tX0dXo
"And it's easy to say but it's hard to remember that praise is for suckers and death is forever."
YES!
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 05, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Dr. Know
I know Wreckage in Flesh doesn't get a lot of respect, but I always thought it was one of the best crossover albums of the time and a far better album than This Island Earth. I wish they could've done another album playing in that style.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 05, 2012, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 05, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Dr. Know
I know Wreckage in Flesh doesn't get a lot of respect, but I always thought it was one of the best crossover albums of the time and a far better album than This Island Earth. I wish they could've done another album playing in that style.
Dr. Know with Kyle Toucher and the "Wreckage In Flesh" era lineup reunited recently.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 05, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy9tX0dXo
"And it's easy to say but it's hard to remember that praise is for suckers and death is forever."
YES!
Can't beat "II." This and The Void are so fucking intense.
Same goes for Friends in the Music Business.
Forgotten Massachusetts band, SIEGE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIMI2W7p0Ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iWrsZRA0ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zNBOYPnPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwQANTJNepA
QuoteForgotten Massachusetts band, SIEGE
Not forgotten in the grindcore scene: their
Drop Dead album is considered probably the first proto-grind release.
Quote from: acsenger on April 06, 2012, 05:17:35 AM
QuoteForgotten Massachusetts band, SIEGE
Not forgotten in the grindcore scene: their Drop Dead album is considered probably the first proto-grind release.
what about western MA band
Deep Wound?
http://youtu.be/0AM1_gyKErQ
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 06, 2012, 03:59:47 AM
Forgotten Massachusetts band, SIEGE
only [so far] in this thread. they're plenty alive and well. Not so long ago, Deep Six did three different pressings of Drop Dead. All had different bonus tracks. Bleed your fans. They're all out of print. The last pressing might be only temporarily out of print, though. Steady demand for this recording. Relapse did a CD pressing years ago. I believe a European label did an official one as well. Revoltation 7" and Lost & Found CD boots. They've always been well-remembered.
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 05, 2012, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 05, 2012, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 05, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Dr. Know
I know Wreckage in Flesh doesn't get a lot of respect, but I always thought it was one of the best crossover albums of the time and a far better album than This Island Earth. I wish they could've done another album playing in that style.
Dr. Know with Kyle Toucher and the "Wreckage In Flesh" era lineup reunited recently.
No thank you on the reunion bit.
Saw these guys at a CBGBs matinee in 1986/87 and picked up there demo. Don't think they ever did more than that one. "I Fucked Your Daughter" at 4:13 is great, a narration to a dad about how how and where his daughter was fucked. This came out at the peak of the straight-edge movement and was decidedly not so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ukScIpEduA
Two more of my favorite CBGB Sunday Matinee bands:
Breakdown's demos follow the Cro-Mags Age of Quarrel demo as my favorite NYHC recordings of the mid-80s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN4QPCBDCJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwO8JOcMBbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jryF1_1JGU
Crumbsuckers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoN0JuZ1Nn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e28OPs5fqk
damn... this stuff was so hot...
breakdwon were one of my faves...
token entry...
I have smashed my ribs so many times with this track as a background
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UAyoMrRXEI
Quote from: Reprobate on April 06, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 05, 2012, 06:59:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy9tX0dXo
"And it's easy to say but it's hard to remember that praise is for suckers and death is forever."
YES!
Can't beat "II." This and The Void are so fucking intense.
Same goes for Friends in the Music Business.
Even though III is a little lacking (I feel), how good is the track "Magic Fingers"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8M_KGBYC08
"They said "Do you believe in life after death"? I said "I believed in life after birth." "
Ramallah. Sure most people on here would prefer Blood for Blood though. I do, but some Ramallah tracks were alright.
I'll never forget seeing them at a house show (owner was a Courage Crew member and eventually was arrested for kidnapping) stepping out and throwing hard fists (as well as taking my own beating) during this track in a cramped basement. Track still kills. Wish I could say the same for their other tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwHKxA3SkZk
WARZONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldil1641R0
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 06:49:16 PM
Ramallah. Sure most people on here would prefer Blood for Blood though. I do, but some Ramallah tracks were alright.
I'll never forget seeing them at a house show (owner was a Courage Crew member and eventually was arrested for kidnapping) stepping out and throwing hard fists (as well as taking my own beating) during this track in a cramped basement. Track still kills. Wish I could say the same for their other tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwHKxA3SkZk
I still jam "Kill a Celebrity" regularly.
Oh, and fuck Courage Crew.
Quote from: Reprobate on April 06, 2012, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 06:49:16 PM
Ramallah. Sure most people on here would prefer Blood for Blood though. I do, but some Ramallah tracks were alright.
I'll never forget seeing them at a house show (owner was a Courage Crew member and eventually was arrested for kidnapping) stepping out and throwing hard fists (as well as taking my own beating) during this track in a cramped basement. Track still kills. Wish I could say the same for their other tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwHKxA3SkZk
I still jam "Kill a Celebrity" regularly.
Be careful, you might be deemed SAFE! Ha!
As I said, some tracks are meh, while others are meaner the hell. Kind of wish Rob didn't have a drug problem.
Courage Crew was at most of the shows I went to growing up, because I was razed in the town they were founded in. They were silly. Even sillier that Will Smith ended up befriending a good portion of those dudes.
Thankful that I didn't have to deal with the Michigan chapter as much......those dudes were kind of scary. Always a bummer when those fools showed up.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on March 26, 2012, 07:25:57 PM
.. but I will say that the 'classic' Skrewdriver material (Hail The New Dawn etc) is really dull and badly produced music with remarkably tame lyrics.
Some of my faves:
WHITE POWER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSjgQxRQrjg&skipcontrinter=1
STREET FIGHT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-x4A_ESxpU perfectly placed WP shout on 0:54
EUROPEAN BATTLE SONG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGGqLEB0aWc
GLORY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hLNc-T958
AFTER THE FIRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DK-pG3JBS8&skipcontrinter=1
LAND OF ICE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqP6OqebN18
BACK WITH A BANG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFj-rkoctAw
etc.etc.
BULLY BOYS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ali7L4yBYw4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUoZmcmMj4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0FD1229054EC0A9C
PLUTON SVEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb0zxhw-oD8&skipcontrinter=1
FORTRESS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGiaeaQlLXU&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1
RAZORS EDGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_O3ogv8uQE&feature=related
BULLDOG BREED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOOTzJbdSqs
MISTREAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZnNadvZDMk&skipcontrinter=1
etc. etc.
Quote from: Stridulum on March 26, 2012, 11:03:51 PM
..... to even the (political) balance a little bit...
Carrot eaters and tree huggers can sometimes do intense stuff..
CONFLICT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmIEiSr_jE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI6Ezh6iTnc&feature=related
Quote from: acsenger on April 06, 2012, 05:17:35 AM
QuoteForgotten Massachusetts band, SIEGE
Not forgotten in the grindcore scene: their Drop Dead album is considered probably the first proto-grind release.
SIEGE hardly forgotten. I reckon this one must be PERESTROIKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g1GuR9vULI
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
Anyone know which vocalist from a NYC band that split a audience member's head open with the mic stand? I think he was was covered in tattoos... I think it was Slogun that told me about the band (he may have knew the guy in question).
Ha! A bit general eh?
Thats like saying "Hey, was it some dude in a black band shirt, jeans, and with tons of tattoos beating someone down at that last hardcore show?"
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
No, barely anyone involved in the NYC hardcore punk scene has tattoos.
LOL.
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leeexkRz5k1qbbuybo1_500.jpg)
(http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/madball2.jpg)
(http://www.radiosilencebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jj.jpg)
(http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/countygrind/sick-of-it-all-at-revolution-live.5333401.87.jpg)
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
No, barely anyone involved in the NYC hardcore punk scene has tattoos.
LOL.
Interested to know who bitewerks is thinking of, but NYHC & tattoos would be a fairly common association, see also:
http://www.nyhctattoo.com/
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
Anyone know which vocalist from a NYC band that split a audience member's head open with the mic stand? I think he was was covered in tattoos... I think it was Slogun that told me about the band (he may have knew the guy in question).
Ha! A bit general eh?
Thats like saying "Hey, was it some dude in a black band shirt, jeans, and with tons of tattoos beating someone down at that last hardcore show?"
Yea Hardcore shows are generally violent especially on the east coast. I hate hardcore but I used to goto local shows just for that reason. There was some crew in my hometown called, if I remember correctly, 24 Club or some shit like that. They basically went to shows to fight and then went to Taco Bell afterwards haha. I never got into it with them outside of this little fight club thing they had going at a church called the 209 that used to run shows (Peterson, you ever go to those shows?). 1 minute, 2 guys, bare knuckle and if you wanted you could go another round, it was pretty fun and everyone got the idea that it wasn't serious so there was never really any bad blood there and the only rule was that "no one wins". I think more scenes should do this. My first fight was with the ex-boyfriend of the girl I was dating at the time, and it was basically like therapy. We fought for our minute, exchanged a few nice hits and then shook hands and were cool ever since. Then I fought some fat dude a few weeks later who kicked the shit out of me and dropped his knee into my kidney when i was on the ground.
Some members of FSU Phoenix lived in the same apartment complex as me for a few years. Even though I smoked and drank we always got along just fine, they weren't the types shown in Boston Beatdown or any shit like that. They were violent dudes from what I heard but not complete assholes. I heard a few months after I moved out that one of the guys was at a hardcore show and some Nu-Metal poser kid was asking around for Meth and they said they had some and lured him to their car where they cut off his nose with a knife. Tweaker almost died, I guess he has a fake nose now.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
Anyone know which vocalist from a NYC band that split a audience member's head open with the mic stand? I think he was was covered in tattoos... I think it was Slogun that told me about the band (he may have knew the guy in question).
HR bashed a skinhead in the head with a mic stand in 1995 causing considerable damage and actually causing the Bad Brains to split for a while.
One of my favorites doing an incredible cover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InoEsBupTt8
Choke actually cooks my dinner Friday nights (we live in the same town and he cooks at a local restaurant).
GI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac-m5wEog88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giLfu3odBBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob7aH-wLCUw
I saw NOTA mentioned above, a favourite of mine is 'Fucked Up' from the Toy Soldiers EP. I was in touch with a Tulsa zine writer and promoter in the mid-80s who told me tales of startling violence at NOTA shows there from nazi skins together with a surprising amount of LSD consumption in the OK HC scene. Her zine was called "Bad Acid".
I had never heard of Courage Crew before this thread. That's fucking insane stuff.
I can't believe FSU was featured on Gangland History Channel. That show is just getting dumber and dumber.
Claiming any set or crew is stupid and the way most of them fight is even lamer, swarm attacks on people they think are weaker than them. Not at all tough. And somehow they still get their asses kicked on occasion, how does that even happen?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on April 06, 2012, 09:59:56 PM
Anyone know which vocalist from a NYC band that split a audience member's head open with the mic stand? I think he was was covered in tattoos... I think it was Slogun that told me about the band (he may have knew the guy in question).
I think it was the guy from BULLDOZE. I remember my buddies talking about it around the time it happened. Never listened to em' or know if the story is completely true or not. I remember something about a cymbal stand being used.
yeah Bulldoze is good ...
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: Reprobate on April 06, 2012, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on April 06, 2012, 06:49:16 PM
Ramallah. Sure most people on here would prefer Blood for Blood though. I do, but some Ramallah tracks were alright.
I'll never forget seeing them at a house show (owner was a Courage Crew member and eventually was arrested for kidnapping) stepping out and throwing hard fists (as well as taking my own beating) during this track in a cramped basement. Track still kills. Wish I could say the same for their other tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwHKxA3SkZk
I still jam "Kill a Celebrity" regularly.
Be careful, you might be deemed SAFE! Ha!
As I said, some tracks are meh, while others are meaner the hell. Kind of wish Rob didn't have a drug problem.
Courage Crew was at most of the shows I went to growing up, because I was razed in the town they were founded in. They were silly. Even sillier that Will Smith ended up befriending a good portion of those dudes.
Thankful that I didn't have to deal with the Michigan chapter as much......those dudes were kind of scary. Always a bummer when those fools showed up.
Yeah, I grew up in Dayton. They were always at shows. Just a lame-ass boys club, but I will agree that the Detroit guys are scary motherfuckers.
I'm probably the only fin here who admits liking to: KLAMYDIA
My absolute favourite band in primary school.
Older stuff like Älpee is still great to me and some of their newer rock stuff is not that far from OI/RAC etc
Has there been a truly exceptional crossover album since ABC Diabolo - Last Intoxication of the Senses? There really weren't that many before it, even in the heyday of the second half of the 80s. There was that whole Bandana Thrash thing for a while, but it wasn't crossover. I'm sure there has been, but I can't think of anything right now. Some Capitalist Casualties could fit into it on the outer edges.
ABC Diabolo - Last Intoxication of the Senses
Agnostic Front - Cause for Alarm
Bad Brains - Quickness
Beowulf - s/t
Carnivore - Retaliation
Corrosion of Conformity - Animosity (Technocracy was decent as well; Eye for an Eye + 6 Songs is really good; Animosity is their pinnacle IMO)
Cro-Mags - Best Wishes (a good argument could be made for Age of Quarrel being crossover as well)
Crumbsuckers - Life of Dreams
Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
Cryptic Slaughter - Money Talks
DxRxIx - Crossover
DRxKnow - Wreckage in Flesh
Excel - The Joke's on You (some like Split Image better, but not I)
Hirax - Hate, Fear, and Power
Leeway - Born to Expire
Lethal Aggression - demo (included on that Relapse Underground CD series; the LP and 7" were decent, but the demo smokes)
Ludichrist - Immaculate Deception
No Mercy - Widespread Bloodshed
Nuclear Assault - Game Over
Phantasm - 5-song demo (post-Hirax; found on the Wreckage 12"/CDEP)
Raw Power - Screams from the Gutter/After Your Brain
Suicidal Tendencies - s/t
The Accused - Maddest Stories Ever Told (a crossover classic).
The Accused - The Return of Martha Splatterhead
The Accused - More Fun than an Open Casket Funeral
Wehrmacht - Biermacht
Wehrmacht - demo
Wehrmacht - Shark Attack
Leeway and The Accused is all one needs. I never got into Carnivore, I absolutely hated the first S/T album...those vocals ugh. I agree about New Crossover, not much at all that is good. I liked a few tracks off the first SSS LP and Cross Examination, although very "revival" sounding, had a few good tracks on their LP as well.
big fan of carnivore, probably my fave crossover band in those years. the picture on the back cover of retaliation is classic. peter was very funny in person.
accused were devastating... first three records are perfect...
on another dimension an excellent band we all used to love here in Italy were SNFU... the gig i saw was definitely wild.
Siviilimurha has not been mentioned yet. As the band deliveres some of the filthies mayhem ever from Finland, should at least the fans of early Tampere hardcore or first ep of Anti Cimex check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9nGE2YrMaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UCNqOFfmEc&feature=related
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 10, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
on another dimension an excellent band we all used to love here in Italy were SNFU... the gig i saw was definitely wild.
SNFU are on my top five of all time list. Consistently some of the best live shows I've ever seen. If you get a chance, watch the documentary "Open Your Mouth and Say Mr. Chi Pig". Unlike a lot of punk documentaries full of filler material and bad graphics which have been released in the past decade, this is 97 minutes of interviews. Depressing but good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDVcNfEYGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjMmDttVBL4
Was at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5OnSsKkk4
Documentary trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amb9F1njxcw
I just realised that no one mentioned Regan Youth WTF, maybe one of the best HC Punk band ever
Ain't gonna post no youtube link cuz the whole fucking (first) LP + the three unreleased tracks are pure gold. And I wouldn't know how to pick one from the rest
I've always been a big fan of SNFU, and I have always had a soft spot for shit like Satanic Surfers and BigWig. I get tons of shit for it but I don't care anymore. When I want some melody and cheesy lyrics it is perfect.
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 10, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
SNFU are on my top five of all time list. Consistently some of the best live shows I've ever seen. If you get a chance watch the documentary "Open Your Mouth and Say Mr. Chi Pig". Unlike a lot of punk documentaries full of filler material and bad graphics which have been released in the past decade, this is 97 minutes of interviews. Depressing but good.
I definitely need to grab this... I didn't know it was out. thanks!
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 10, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
big fan of carnivore, probably my fave crossover band in those years. the picture on the back cover of retaliation is classic. peter was very funny in person.
Fukkk yes! I got Retaliation `87 when it came out.. I hardly got pubic hair back then.. I have listened it a lot during years!
Perfect Album! great lyrics, riffs. Sounds just brilliant! rough!! slow, fast and everything between .
RACE WAR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mCExFZBxX0
ANGRY NEUROTIC CATHOLICS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEarld5TVTo&feature=related
First album ok as well, but have to admit that retaliation was the peak.
FALLOUT Rock Hard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg175LtBgco&feature=related
I guess I just suck.
Here is the SSS band I mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpB-vONJVkY
And if we are talking about Hardcore on a Noise forum we can't forget to mention Kickback!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7NB9CizhUo&feature=related
I also really like early Raised Fist when they were more influenced by Gorilla Biscuits than the Metalcore shit they do now. Makes me want to move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjKsu3f1Tjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94iin_EtdY
Any fans of the other Snuff, the Punk band from the UK? They have some really catchy shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxZSL4l7is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq5atQXbsvk
sure!!!
loved snuff... live they were very powerful
and of course kicback deserve a place in history... their latest stuff is perfect
I think Reprobate mentioned previously but Tragedy and His Hero is Gone are great. Also Iron Lung who started out as powerviolence, but now are more hardcore than pv. Very punishing stuff.
Iron Lung are awesome.
The Endless Blockade should also be mentioned here, they played Powerviolence with a heavy noise edge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSJOBGjYtbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rKy1NuYmI (Slogun collaboration & cover)
The follow-up project Column Of Heaven is also very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnK-lnC5vQM
Quote from: SKY BURIAL on April 10, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 10, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
on another dimension an excellent band we all used to love here in Italy were SNFU... the gig i saw was definitely wild.
SNFU are on my top five of all time list. Consistently some of the best live shows I've ever seen. If you get a chance, watch the documentary "Open Your Mouth and Say Mr. Chi Pig". Unlike a lot of punk documentaries full of filler material and bad graphics which have been released in the past decade, this is 97 minutes of interviews. Depressing but good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDVcNfEYGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjMmDttVBL4
Was at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5OnSsKkk4
Documentary trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amb9F1njxcw
SNFU used to play in my hometown bi-weekly for a while. Well, sometimes Chi Pig wasn't there and they were called the Wheat Chiefs I think, which wasn't very interesting as I foggily recall. I never got into any of their records but their live performances, or Chi Pig's live performances, were pretty intense. I think I liked some songs on Scream and You Will Catch No Fish but I can't for the life of me remember.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on April 12, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
I think Reprobate mentioned previously but Tragedy and His Hero is Gone are great. Also Iron Lung who started out as powerviolence, but now are more hardcore than pv. Very punishing stuff.
Agreed.
Martyrdod have a touch of HHIG to them, very good stuff. Punk/core/crust that sounds like or evokes an idea of being on the brink of death or at world's end is good by me.
Iron Lung is fantastic.
Mind Eraser brings perfect frustration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCwmxeEnP98&feature=relmfu
Same with SQRM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46cV14ADDlg
Seems like someone uploaded one song of new Vapaudenristi demo. It's my punk band (4 demos since 2007). Very rarely I "promote" it anywhere, especially since its all Finnish language. Perhaps the most melodic track of the new demo. File under "cocksparrer/mistreat/unborn sf/etc" (from demo 2012 even if they used old artwork)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEAMbq01aw&feature=relmfu
seems like cover songs always remain the most popular tracks in youtube, much more than original material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7-8EsDPsxw (mistreat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsbY9hcMvnI (bully boys)
Shame that no one has uploaded The Strawbs cover with lyrics changed and translated to finnish from the new demo. It's great and quite amusing at the same like most rough rac ballads.
Maybe some Industrial-people would like hear it too since Blood Axis covered the same song.
E: Decided to upload it myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qstRBGa5PQ&feature=youtu.be
Tomorrow night right here on Cape Cod, the FU's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRQhjDLSHk
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on May 09, 2012, 10:06:49 AM
Seems like someone uploaded one song of new Vapaudenristi demo. It's my punk band (4 demos since 2007). Very rarely I "promote" it anywhere, especially since its all Finnish language. Perhaps the most melodic track of the new demo. File under "cocksparrer/mistreat/unborn sf/etc" (from demo 2012 even if they used old artwork)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEAMbq01aw&feature=relmfu
seems like cover songs always remain the most popular tracks in youtube, much more than original material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7-8EsDPsxw (mistreat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsbY9hcMvnI (bully boys)
this is great.
Search doesn't seem to bring rest of songs... Niko loaded the strawbs cover, but the rest tracks was just uploaded by one another guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgIBpQo8Tjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHZwmUJCzNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm1wrSTDPhQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZ8M5VFozM
and previously linked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msEAMbq01aw&feature=relmfu
Iron Lung is amazing. When I saw them live the drummer was molesting his drum kit so hard that he threw up chucks of Chinese food. The Endless Blockade was also a great band indeed. For the ones interested; all the members did also perform in Death Agonies. Don't like it that much, but maybe that's because I've only got some shitty mp3 rips. Talking about endless blockades an death agonies; the noise tracks on M.A.N. by G.I.S.M. are so good, got me into noise together with MITB/BN.
Been listening to alot of proper hardcore latley, here are some of my best:
Shipwrecked (Norway) SSD, Negative Approach etc worship...but with some songs that go on about Norse mythology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbXPhaV1Vlk&feature=relmfu
Insurance Risk (Norway) Early Boston Hardcore worship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFC9HYv-QKQ
Confuse (Japan) noisy, 80's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiKncnTfk9A&feature=related
Nerveskade (Japan) really noisy, new-ish band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6QE4MKuzyo
Invasion (Spain) New band, old school hardcore with shitloads of delay on the vocals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5VambdB0vo&feature=related
The Fix (U.S.) Fast 80's shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udD34mJx_js
Gauze (Japan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxKEV328Qas
Cops & Robbers (U.S.) At best sound like Suicidal Tendencies' first LP, at their worst - anything else on B9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3JnPshzhvw
Gayrilla Biscuits (U.S.) all the best early hardcore anthems turned gay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TkeAlgilc
I play in a hardcore band called Chest Pain. We are usually compared to bands like Iron Lung, Crossed Out and Lack of Interest. You can listen to our 7" at http://www.chestpain.bandcamp.com (http://www.chestpain.bandcamp.com) . We are about to go on a west coast tour in June and will be playing with bands like Negative Approach, Iron Lung, Gehenna, Suffering Luna and a bunch more. Some of our newer songs have some leanings towards noise/industrial music, but we haven't recorded them yet except for a live radio recording. If you're interested in hearing our live radio recording I would be happy to send that to you. Let me know what think about our 7". Also you can watch a couple of live sets here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yo_vA9u8vE&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yo_vA9u8vE&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liINjaTJ-NI&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liINjaTJ-NI&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
With as many people on this board that Like metal, I am surprised the early Metalcore stuff isn't represented here. "metal core" in it's earliest form was huge in the northeast in the 90's. Of course I don't mean Metal core in the "mainstream" use of the word, but the hardcore movement in the early 90's that was more influenced by the then current hardcore, and not punk, and infused this with metal.
Cave in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM2qEiXW288
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfYnP8SfNw&feature=related
Overcast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZRRBU4pBWg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0DoDIA0Ec4&feature=related
Vision Of Disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwfhl7-1rys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaRbK3QG9bU&feature=related
Earth Crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Qt0xFT9Nw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU4BVJfkaIg&feature=related
And of course a million more..converge, Integrity(who have already been mentioned) ect
If we're going to step into that stuff I have to say:
Turmoil "The Process Of"
Earth Crisis is a band I have never, ever been able to enjoy, but I know a lot of people who do.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on May 31, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
Earth Crisis is a band I have never, ever been able to enjoy, but I know a lot of people who do.
Most of the stuff like this is downright awful. Sure, you can say that about most musics, but this sub-genre of hardcore or metal, depending on your perspective, has a particularly high rate of suckibility. And when it sucks, which is almost all the time, it sucks more than the normal level of suck. It sucks at an extraordinary level.
first two 7"s were excellent despite the silly lyrics (I can't stand by, incidentally my favourite track ever), then they turned to metal and lost their appeal.
live they were impressive. saw them live in Lugano (CH), impressive.
their interviews were hilarious, even more considering they were serious about them.
Latest punk & rock'n'roll spinning has been 5 x Apostles 7"s (don't remember the titles right now, put the back on shelves). Always charming anarcho punk.
STÖRKRAFT "Mann Fun Mann" LP
STÖRKRAFT "imperator der G / Steh auf.." 7"
STÖRKRAFT "mann fur mann / kraft for deutchland" 7" (just tracks from LP mentioned before)
Perhaps the best of the german RAC bands?! Kraft For Deutchland is "Voice of Britain" in german language, and more brutal than Skrewdriver could ever do. Band was very famous at its peak.
ENDSTUFE "Schenk noch einen ein../skinhead rock'n'roll" 7"
trad german rac
PLUTON SVEA "Pittbull Power" 12"
one of the latest recordings of swedish band before Jocke did his solo album. English works better for me than the swedish language.
MITGÅRD SÖNER "Norden Kall" LP
Guys looks like The Exploited, but blatant the nazi punks. Somewhere between viking rock & punk rock. One would need more leather jackets with spikes and tall mohawks in this type of music!
Also did the check of the "contemporary" finnish punk. Tuhkaus, Viimeinen Kolonna, and lots of more. Didn't really find ANY bands worth shit in records I had been buying from punk gigs I visited. When put some Sätkynukke 7"s or Jumalan Ruoska 7"s on turntable, which belong to perhaps worst era of finn punk (late 80's), they still have at least some spirit, what contemporary bands were lacking. If Kansandemokratia 7" from 1999 (Fight rec) works in some level, how come there is no 2012 punk that works?!?!
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
MIDGÅRD SÖNER "Norden Kall" LP
Guys looks like The Exploited, but blatant the nazi punks. Somewhere between viking rock & punk rock. One would need more leather jackets with spikes and tall mohawks in this type of music!
Ny tid Live!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs)
Damn good!!!
ENHÄRJARNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLlCzEYTfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3E_PJLbgDQ&feature=related
`94 released 4-track EP Tors Vrede was one of my faves back then.
More Sweden:
SVASTIKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaC0ilO_DQI&skipcontrinter=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rrlaZK03Tk&feature=related
TOTENKOPF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URCCZjIkDSY " Raise Your Right Arm... " I have seen that line somewhere.. heh..
I'm not really that much into Swedish RAC or Vikingarock but Fyrdung is fucking great!
First release was pure RAC but they slowly started adding metal elements to their music and their latest full length is pretty much pure black metal.
Rac:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80hVas9DR5s&skipcontrinter=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRYDDx0Zfa4&feature=related
Black Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW4G_Gjr3eQ
Quote from: Niko on June 13, 2012, 10:59:09 PM
Fyrdung is fucking great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80hVas9DR5s&skipcontrinter=1
Great track!!!!
Quote from: Markkula on June 13, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
MIDGÅRD SÖNER "Norden Kall" LP
Guys looks like The Exploited, but blatant the nazi punks. Somewhere between viking rock & punk rock. One would need more leather jackets with spikes and tall mohawks in this type of music!
Ny tid Live!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs)
Damn good!!!
their singer turned to die hard antinazi.
the rest of the band created the impressive THE JINX, same style, although less "viking" oriented.
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 15, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Markkula on June 13, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
MIDGÅRD SÖNER "Norden Kall" LP
Guys looks like The Exploited, but blatant the nazi punks. Somewhere between viking rock & punk rock. One would need more leather jackets with spikes and tall mohawks in this type of music!
Ny tid Live!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkHmXzOtcs)
Damn good!!!
their singer turned to die hard antinazi.
I didnt know that. Does he have any musical activities? too lazy to check out from net..
Anything like: http://www.novacosm.com/ (http://www.novacosm.com/) ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2O9JYMLBfY&feature=related
Going to see Hoax, SQRM, and Avon Ladies tonight. Should be a ripper.
I don't see so much talk about the swedish bands (except obvious names like anticimex & shitlickers), so I'll drop a few favourites here....
LIBRESSE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pojbFP5TI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pojbFP5TI)
some tracks from their amazing lp "krystvärkar".... like a meeting between amebix-styled crust and black metal.
MISSBRUKARNA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRe4as3hsHU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRe4as3hsHU)
track from their demo "krigets gentlemän". skrammel records did a lp with all their recordings earlier this year. also recommended is the project "krig i hudik" featuring members from this band and totalitär / brainbombs (?).
ARSEDESTROYER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u5mmpmmsHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u5mmpmmsHo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona8A5DJTL0& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona8A5DJTL0&)
BLACK UNIFORMS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPaGrICQSJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPaGrICQSJQ)
STRIKTLICKERS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tlUu7GkBg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tlUu7GkBg)
the most hated bands in the swedish punkscene.
NÖDVÄRN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIdK3jyCBA0
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIdK3jyCBA0)great video footage from one of the shows with cascades of vomit.... otherwise really good both live and on record.
LIKET LEVER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAxrmJr5Fqc
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAxrmJr5Fqc)KRUNCH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5VEfHN4e0&
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5VEfHN4e0&)antiheroes from the area around sundsvall....
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Leif Thuresson (RJF) told me a few days ago about a documentary made in the mid-80s on the punk/hardcore scene in gothenburg. according to him there is footage of a punk showing his copy of the RJF LP.... according to him some member of Anticimex....
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:34:06 PMor Jumalan Ruoska 7"s on turntable, which belong to perhaps worst era of finn punk (late 80's), they still have at least some spirit, what contemporary bands were lacking.
Isn't this from 2001 or are the two bands with the same name? However, latest from Viimeinen Kolonna is shit, two first 12"'s yet good copy of Terveet Kädet. I just bought bunch of recent Finnish 7"'s, most of which I had not even heard of or had already forgotten. Molemminpuolinen Varma Tuho / Total Recall split was only one worth mentioning.
Looking back for last 12 months, Ydinperhe 12" and 7"'s by melodic anarcho band 1981 are the only punk records I have been listening to
a lot. Konkurssi 7" and Ydintuho/Kylmä Sota -split are also worth mentioning and I hope Perikato will eventually do a record which delivers their live intensity.
Leif Thuresson (RJF) told me a few days ago about a documentary made in the mid-80s on the punk/hardcore scene in gothenburg. according to him there is footage of a punk showing his copy of the RJF LP.... according to him some member of Anticimex....
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It was probaply Jonsson (Anti-Cimex) who was holding it.
It was at his place (in Mariestad) where i heard first time RJF
VENGEANCE!!! Late-eighties Rock-O-Rama deal. Got 1986 and Forward Into War on the want lists. Been watching this video off and on for the past few weeks. Pretty awkward studio/radio deal...but sound delivers.
Vengeance - Battle Dressed In Black
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC1Q2ro1tlM
Also do any of you Finns know any sort of back story on The Silver?! Totally inept child damaging sounds.
Kugelberg chimes in with the following - Pussy Galore without post-modern baggage. "Love Theme from the Snails" as performed by SPK. 12 year olds virtually destroying a recording studio captured on tape, not once but four times.
The Silver - Do You Wanna Dance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V3SA6YICQQ
Quote from: Ernpe on June 16, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:34:06 PMor Jumalan Ruoska 7"s on turntable, which belong to perhaps worst era of finn punk (late 80's), they still have at least some spirit, what contemporary bands were lacking.
Isn't this from 2001 or are the two bands with the same name? However, latest from Viimeinen Kolonna is shit, two first 12"'s yet good copy of Terveet Kädet. I just bought bunch of recent Finnish 7"'s, most of which I had not even heard of or had already forgotten. Molemminpuolinen Varma Tuho / Total Recall split was only one worth mentioning.
Looking back for last 12 months, Ydinperhe 12" and 7"'s by melodic anarcho band 1981 are the only punk records I have been listening to a lot. Konkurssi 7" and Ydintuho/Kylmä Sota -split are also worth mentioning and I hope Perikato will eventually do a record which delivers their live intensity.
Jumalan Ruoska 7" I was talking about is not the J. Nissinen related project, but catalogue number Rajaton 01 and from 1987. With 5 youngsters in line-up.
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 15, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
their singer turned to die hard antinazi.
It's probably shorter way from nazi to anti-nazi than from regular joe to either way... ? But also whatever the info circulated around is always potential of being result of daily smear campaign activity surrounding the scene full of back stabbing. I guess people are very interested to hear "who dropped out" and who is truer than the others. Also plenty of Jocke Carlsson images of him posing with non-white guys circulating proving how he has changed his ways.
White American Youth LP
(pre-Final Solution chicago RAC band) pretty intense works from the early 90's on R-O-R. Vocalist can't say in tune, but shouts ok. Great artworks and design what can't be found on rac records anymore...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z8p4-nm6Vo
Not the best track, but seems only one in youtube?
The Wrongdoers "Helsinki" 12"mLP
featuring the media fame Renne (X-Factor, some reality tv shows, radio DJ, etc) in vocals. While drummer is known from Mistreat and wasn't guitarist from Brutal Skins, so obviously tabloids made big deal out of the band. Melodic oi with "no politics only tradition" type of approach. Themes are usual fight, pride, regional romatics. Since music is so melodic and well & tightly executed, it's shame vocals are not melodic, but just gruffy shouting. This Means War records has at least two 12"s done last year, but never heard Offensive Weapon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1amXeGOJ8Y
sound of sample is pretty crappy. Vinyl sounds much better.
I guess the warm weathers, sun shine, total summer brings one to mood to blast some "party music", so turntable has been on punk rotation almost exclusively for some time.
halthan: Ah... that make sense. Yeah, I thought it was Jonsson as well but didn't really trust the memory of Leif.
Just stumbled into this clip from japanese movie with Sakevi beating up some rastafari.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YS9WcAMtc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YS9WcAMtc)
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 16, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 15, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
their singer turned to die hard antinazi.
It's probably shorter way from nazi to anti-nazi than from regular joe to either way... ? But also whatever the info circulated around is always potential of being result of daily smear campaign activity surrounding the scene full of back stabbing. I guess people are very interested to hear "who dropped out" and who is truer than the others. Also plenty of Jocke Carlsson images of him posing with non-white guys circulating proving how he has changed his ways.
For anyone who's interested... Nitton who sang for Midgårds Söner dropped out of the NS movement, wrote a book called "Med hatet som drivkraft" ("With hate as driving force") about his journey from troubled kid, punk and football hooligan to nazi and skinhead. I read it several times when I was younger, mostly cause it contained a lot of exciting stuff about booze, street fights and general punk life. Apparently he also started working for an organization called Exit which is supposed to help people who want to drop out of the NS movement. Last but not least he did a CD with his new band STHLM United:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERqPKXu6H2U
It's pretty worthless IMO. No idea what he does today, this info is all a few years old.
I rarely listen to oi!, RAC or that kind of stuff but I usually enjoy it more when it's mixed with a heavy pop or rock'n'roll influence, example:
Gatans lag - Arbetarliv
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7c_r6U4t4w
Also, this documentary on Anti-Cimex features at least one animation/slide show with a lot of famous old punk records, I don't remember seeing RJF but it's possible it's in there somewhere. Only in Swedish unfortunately.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4zUfGpFBOI
Quote from: D. Davis on June 16, 2012, 04:44:19 PM
Also do any of you Finns know any sort of back story on The Silver?! Totally inept child damaging sounds.
This is basically copied & edited & translated from Finnish forum discussion:
"Couple of 13-year old little dudes from Hamina. Two 7"'s released on a sub-label (Black Label Series) of big Finnish label Johanna. A c-30 tape seems to also exist. Band was discovered and signed on the label by Gösta Sundqvist of Leevi and the Leavings fame (very popular in Finland). Nobody ever saw them or knew who they were. Forum sleuths suspect Harri Englund to be a member, Englund is now an anthropologist working at University of Cambridge and will not answer e-mails with questions about The Silver."
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 16, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: Ernpe on June 16, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 13, 2012, 08:34:06 PMor Jumalan Ruoska 7"s on turntable, which belong to perhaps worst era of finn punk (late 80's), they still have at least some spirit, what contemporary bands were lacking.
The Wrongdoers "Helsinki" 12"mLP
featuring the media fame Renne (X-Factor, some reality tv shows, radio DJ, etc) in vocals. While drummer is known from Mistreat and wasn't guitarist from Brutal Skins, so obviously tabloids made big deal out of the band. Melodic oi with "no politics only tradition" type of approach. Themes are usual fight, pride, regional romatics. Since music is so melodic and well & tightly executed, it's shame vocals are not melodic, but just gruffy shouting. This Means War records has at least two 12"s done last year, but never heard Offensive Weapon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1amXeGOJ8Y
sound of sample is pretty crappy. Vinyl sounds much better.
I guess the warm weathers, sun shine, total summer brings one to mood to blast some "party music", so turntable has been on punk rotation almost exclusively for some time.
these are absolutely excellent. never heard of... there is some mistreat feel in the background.
I do not agree on vocals. these are just fine for me. who did release them? I must have them...
guitars especially are just perfect. Too bad they are singing in English and not Finnish.
STHLM United sounds nice as well, but definitely less exciting than his past experience.
Exit is rehab for exnazis, like Adam's Apple ehheh
I so want to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnuQrRn5ED4&feature=related
saw them live some years ago, music was not my cup of tea, but the gig was very intense...
talking abouth sleazy oi/punk, one of my all time favers (with links to Finland since they were close friends of Clamydia)
:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xadtfq2bNJ0
Wrongdoers LP is released by label called This Means War and CD by.. was it Pure Impact? I guess checking out some Oi distributors will help, but being ltd 300, LP might be something one needs to find now, not later on...
I've been thinking of visiting possibly two related festivals this summer. Possibly Nordic Thunder, 2 days RAC fest with Kraftschlag, Civic Duty, etc.. and possibly Puntala with Poison Idea, Doom, Selfish etc.. We'll see how schedule goes.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 18, 2012, 08:57:45 PM
Wrongdoers LP is released by label called This Means War and CD by.. was it Pure Impact? I guess checking out some Oi distributors will help, but being ltd 300, LP might be something one needs to find now, not later on...
will check with Peter then. I must have them!!! thanks.
thanks for the link, Henrik! checking it now to see if this is the one... hard to believe it could be another film featuring anticimex.
great documentary on the swedish punk scene. my interest in people like nitton is zero... probably non-swedes find it more exotic.
poison idea are playing here as well. I saw them live with original line up back in the days.... a real hammer.
Thanks heretogo for The Silver knowledge gain! Never knew about a cassette and still haven't heard the second single. Bootleg of that "Do You Wanna Dance" single is probably still floating around though...
Does anybody know who this engraving/woodcut on this Void artwork is by?
(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/42022ac4cc33ece0c9ba41f6712fd3dd/99483.jpg)
I'm not normally into meaty, jockish hardcore, but when I am, it can suck to try to get my fix. There isn't a lot out there that doesn't cross one line or another where I have complete disinterest.
New Lows - Harvest of the Carcass - this is caveman brutality done Boston style; everything they've done is top shelf; crushing vitality and power that avoids the cliches.
New Lows - s/t + demo
New Lows - Paincave Sessions Vol.1
New Lows - Live on WERS
Haymaker - s/t album - more caveman brutality and fierce power.
Haymaker - Fuck America EP
Haymaker/Oxbaker EP
The Corpse - Retrospektywa 1985-1995 - excellent, under the radar of most, crossover/thrash from Poland.
Kort Prosess - all - thick, yet melodic, Norwegian HC carrying on a rich tradition - bands like this fed the His Hero is Gone/Tragedy animal.
VA Stockholms Mangel
Phantasm - demo (post-Hirax)
Lethal Aggression - From the Cunt demo
Rampage - Limit of Destruction - good hardcore that got my attention by way of being compared to Straight Ahead - not as good as I'd hoped, but good nonetheless.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 25, 2012, 11:03:10 AM
I'm not normally into meaty, jockish hardcore, but when I am, it can suck to try to get my fix. There isn't a lot out there that doesn't cross one line or another where I have complete disinterest.
New Lows - Harvest of the Carcass - this is caveman brutality done Boston style; everything they've done is top shelf; crushing vitality and power that avoids the cliches.
New Lows - s/t + demo
New Lows - Paincave Sessions Vol.1
New Lows - Live on WERS
Amazing. You missed my big rant on how awesome New Lows is earlier in the thread. Good shit.
I've been listening to a lot of Hardcore Punk lately. Mainly 90's stuff as I mentioned before, that was the decade I was a teenager in so it was the most important to me and still is. Favorite albums from the Hardcore side of things...
Straight Faced - "Conditioned"
59 Times The Pain - "Twenty Percent of My Hand"
D.I. - "State of Shock"
Rich Kids On LSD - "Riches to Rags" (Nardcore!)
88 Fingers Louie - "Back On The Streets"
Fury 66 - "For Lack of A Better Word"
98 Mute - "After The Fall"
Vision - "Watching The World Burn"
Das Klown - "Holy Crap!"
Screw 32 - "Under The Influence of Bad People"
D.F.L. - "Dead Fucking Last"
And as far as the Punk stuff is concerned I listened, and still listen to, bands like 30footFall, SNFU, Guttermouth, The Vandals, Good Riddance, Jughead's Revenge, Falling Sickness, Drain Bramaged, BigWig, etc. I could go on forever. Basically Fearless Records, Hopeless, Nitro Records, Kung Fu Records type material that some refer to as either Melodic Hardcore or Skate Punk. I doubt there are many others on these forums who have the same taste.
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 25, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Amazing. You missed my big rant on how awesome New Lows is earlier in the thread. Good shit.
Oh, I didn't miss it. It was partly the reason I was laughing at this thread and where it was probably headed. I thought both sides of that exchange were absurd.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 25, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 25, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
Amazing. You missed my big rant on how awesome New Lows is earlier in the thread. Good shit.
Oh, I didn't miss it. It was partly the reason I was laughing at this thread and where it was probably headed. I thought both sides of that exchange were absurd.
Regardless, I'm glad you enjoy New Lows as well. I wished they would tour, I want to see "The Pounding and the Hollering" performed live.
I think New Lows represent a side of hardcore I like to pretend doesn't exist...all that moshy, sub-metal shite, how did they come to that conclusion?
total OI! cult of the 90's
CLOSE SHAVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUoqB87Pkg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MLXJc4LxTw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3SjwUHsFWM&feature=related
the anti-geldof & friend song
we hate you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV5BcVasSas
Quote from: youngnosh on June 26, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
I think New Lows represent a side of hardcore I like to pretend doesn't exist...all that moshy, sub-metal shite, how did they come to that conclusion?
Because they probably didn't want to sound like the endless amounts of traditional hardcore bands out there.
Then again Think I Care was excellent. Anyone on here enjoy those guys besides me?
Definitely never much of a fan of the moshy metallic hardcore type stuff but thought bands like Gehenna, Ire, Catharsis and Unruh were decent. Played on the same show with Catharsis with some shitty band I filled in on bass for a long time ago. I remember their set being pretty good.
Quote from: Coma Detox on June 26, 2012, 09:07:50 PM
Definitely never much of a fan of the moshy metallic hardcore type stuff but thought bands like Gehenna, Ire, Catharsis and Unruh were decent. Played on the same show with Catharsis with some shitty band I filled in on bass for a long time ago. I remember their set being pretty good.
That King of the Monsters group of bands was interesting. Suicide Nation - A Requiem for All That Ever Mattered had a lot of black metal influence. I don't know how good it was, but it wasn't terrible like one could reasonably assume. Unruh was one of my favorite bands of the 90s. Misery Strengthened Faith is heavy, raw, well-written in a young way, and really the only band that I felt were good enough to stand next to His Hero is Gone. Ryan Butler wrote some great guitar parts in his various bands. I never understood Gehenna or Catharsis. I tried. I failed.
Ire, Jihad, Union of Uranus, and the other Canadian bands with huge riffs were pretty cool. And then there were bands like Seized, which were lesser known and just monstrous in sound. That band was great. Inertia Kills and Swallowing Shit were that grindy, speedy side of Canada. Swallowing Shit had some sharp lyrics. I liked that band a lot.
I love the band Swallowing Shit (a few of them went on to I Spy and then of course Propagandhi), one of the best Grind bands to exist next to Assuck.
Weird that you mention King of the Monsters, I just sold $80.00 worth of records which included pretty much everything I had from that label (90's stuff), Unruh, Absinthe, Prevail, Suicide Nation and Creation Is Crucifixion. Bands like Jihad, Otawa, Scapegrace and Union of Uranus were some of the best bands from that era. I had a huge, huge collection of stuff from Hardcore/Emo bands from 92-98 but have sold most of it now for easily over $2,000.00 altogether. So many people are looking for this stuff now, it's weird.
Know anyone who needs a Swallowing Shit T-shirt? Never worn. Brand new. Holed skull on the front and "if you can prove god exists then I'll hate god" on the back.
New Deviated Instinct 4-song 12" (nearly 20 minutes long) is really strong. Not a weak song. Lots of interesting influences and yet put together in smart fashion. I usually dislike these reunion novelties, but I'll add this to the other fifth of one percent of reunion albums and gigs that are worth a gargle.
A fistful of Dutch power
Larm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_r8fZTqik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsVr0xvpjJg&feature=related
My favourite Euoropean HC band ever
MAN LIFTING BANNER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmgGXuFiSY0&feature=related
SEEIN RED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h0Vvb37FtQ&feature=related
Cancercult - Monoa Rasisteille 7"
Definitely my all-time punk favourite. Haphazard teenage burst from Finland 20+ years ago. If someone has their demo, PM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoL7Ssh1cNU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoL7Ssh1cNU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkbxH5tqiw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkbxH5tqiw)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 27, 2012, 03:32:44 AM
Know anyone who needs a Swallowing Shit T-shirt? Never worn. Brand new. Holed skull on the front and "if you can prove god exists then I'll hate god" on the back.
Got a picture of the shirt? I may be interested after I get my paycheck. You in North America?
Quote from: RyanWreck on June 27, 2012, 10:20:54 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 27, 2012, 03:32:44 AM
Know anyone who needs a Swallowing Shit T-shirt? Never worn. Brand new. Holed skull on the front and "if you can prove god exists then I'll hate god" on the back.
Got a picture of the shirt? I may be interested after I get my paycheck. You in North America?
I'm in the USA.
Swallowing Shit T-shirt - black shirt/white ink - front: band logo over gun-holed skull - back: "if you can prove god exists then I'll hate god" - size EXTRA LARGE heavyweight Mad River organic cotton - new - $9.
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7726/p1010288c.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7135/p1010289c.jpg
My favourite Euoropean HC band ever
MAN LIFTING BANNER
they recently released a discography 2x12" w/ 8 new songs and started playing shows again.
my favorite stuff;
the fix
negative approach
urban waste
minor threat
die kreuzen
necros
antidote
dicks
cro mags
black flag
wipers
ramones
dangerhouse; dils, weirdos
europe; anti cimex, headcleaners, negazione,
dutch punk; helmettes, mecano ltd, the filth, panic, ivy green, rakketax, the squats, vopos
uk; discharge, cock sparrer, sham 69, condemned 84, damned, buzzcocks, stiff little fingers
Yeah I am going to get it soon. really curious to listen to the new tracks.
i saw them live in the 90's in Padua and is still one of the best hc shows I have ever seen.
first punk band from portugal, absolute classic :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8b9Nt-wPn8
anyone else into the Killed by Death series? found out about many of my favorite punk bands from certain comps on in the series.
The Nuns - Decadent Jew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmnj7ddj46A)
Hubble Bubble - new Promotion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FkjOOi9wMw)
Gatecrashers - Spectator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhfai85wSA)
The Kids - Baby that's alright (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQXG_DeslQ)
listening now
blitz - new age
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS4Wduyux8&feature=related
freestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGzKV9p5Qw
NYHC
some things don't change. I sure would like to see Mackie play...but probably not at such a price.
http://www.boweryboogie.com/2012/07/stabbing-causes-cancelation-of-webster-hall-hardcore-show/
Been listening to a lot of California Hardcore from the 90's lately, Redemption 87, Built To Last, Fury 66 and my favorite Straight Faced. Never really realized how good the stuff coming out of the East Bay and Southern Cali in the 90's was.
http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/life-of-joy
hardcore/power violence with members of running for cover
Gas chamber Dead Langauge. One track sample but think its amazing
http://www.boweryboogie.com/2012/07/stabbing-causes-cancelation-of-webster-hall-hardcore-show/
HAH
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 04, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
listening now
blitz - new age
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS4Wduyux8&feature=related
Blitz is great, both the classic streetpunk/oi era and Second Empire Justice (even though that was just a fraction of the band). I love how you can really hear that element in their music long before they completely changed their sound, obviously on New Age/Fatigue but also on earlier ones like Warriors, Your Revolution, Bleed etc. There's a hint of more complex song structures, lyrics that probably took a bit longer to write than "We are the boys..." etc.
Nothing unique to Blitz though, a friend of mine wrote a blog post about this song under the title "I can't believe it's not goth":
Violators - Gangland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LZDifWS10
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 07, 2012, 06:54:48 AM
NYHC
some things don't change. I sure would like to see Mackie play...but probably not at such a price.
http://www.boweryboogie.com/2012/07/stabbing-causes-cancelation-of-webster-hall-hardcore-show/
playing out like a day-time series:
"You can all thank Harley Flanagan for ruining the night for everyone," Cro-Mags lead singer John Joseph McGowan told the crowd.
also J.J. don't forget to thank James Dressler Jimmy Gestapo
for inciting harley the day before the show putting the buzz in his ear to fuck over the cro-mags, sick of it all show. telling harley That he needs to man up and take a stand against J.J. getting harley high and strung out to commite a violent act against the scene. it is known that Jimmy G smuggled the knife in by band equiptment and hide it in the vip telling harley where to find it the next day to use it against the band. jimmy gestapo dressler is just as fault and guilty for inciting harley to commit attemped murder. James dressler also back stabbed a fellow member DMS by having harley stab gook in the vip. thats why harley didn't do it at the a.f. show and mike gook was there for harley to get revenge. but jimmy told him to get gook and J.J. The next day at cro-mags and soia instead so it wouldn't ruin the m.l. show with a.f. the day after. Jimmy gestapo and harley will both have to face the facts soon for there actions. Harley should have never listen to James dressler/ Jimmy gestapo. a real sad chapter in nyhc history.
ABC Diabolo - Give Rise to Doubts 1995 - talk about something possibly ahead of its time. crossover prog HC. still has that crossover thrash feel of their 1st album (which is a bona fide crossover/thrash classic in my opinion), but the songs are like an advanced His Hero is Gone or Result insofar as songwriting. smart album. Sort of like the Virus of HC. That's a lazy thing to say, but it has that fine line of raw emotion and the cerebral that many don't seem to understand or are able to capture.
what's the deal with pv types being dismissive of industrial?
anyways, I dig NYHC, Boston HC, both the edge stuff and the drug bands, hate DC hardcore besides early Minor Threat, Void and Bad Brains. art fag central.
some SoCal stuff is ok in small doses, the Midwest had an underrated scene with the Meatmen and Negative Approach and Die Kreuzen. I dig a lot of Japanese hardcore, I'm not too
schooled on Euro stuff aside from Larm and a few Swedish and Finnish d-beat bands. I only like American punk that's not hardcore, hate the Pistols, hate the Clash (well, strong word, I can tolerate them to an extent), but IMO most UK punk pre 1982 is awful, and fuck anarcho.
Recently really been into late 90's Hardcore. Kill Your Idols, Creep Division and In My Eyes have been spinning endlessly. I probably shouldn't say this here but I've been liking a lot of Endstand early 00's material, like Fire Inside.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 24, 2012, 08:17:56 PM
TKO is reissuing all the early work from Poison Idea. May order the 2 LPs that are currently available; I think I sold or traded "Pick Your Kings" so wouldn't mind having it again. I was just informed that someone I've met did the remastering.
Cool!
The Poison Idea radio set is just top notch from this early era for musicianship and style.
Pick Your King will always have a special place in my heart.
YDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcM7GRvOTAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nWduRRQxo&playnext=1&list=PLF218E3B2B64D01B4&feature=results_video
One of my favorites haven't seen mentioned is Ulster, an early Brazilian punk band that is raw and angry. I guess they were notorious for wearing black balaclavas and playing in the back of trucks looking like terrorists during a very real period of political/economic unrest and violence. I guess the got back together in the 2000's and its not nearly as raw as their 80's recordings but Ulsterror cd compilation and the M-19 e.p. are noise punk essentials
Ulster - Morte aos Velhos (Kill the Old)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u1IItHQYPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u1IItHQYPE)
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on August 25, 2012, 07:17:49 AM
I guess the got back together in the 2000's and its not nearly as raw as their 80's recordings but Ulsterror cd compilation and the M-19 e.p. are noise punk essentials
Cosigned. The new stuff is more metallic, but if you can separate associations from old and new, the new is worth hearing and having. There's also a track on ABC Hardcore 82 7".
Quote from: Mikerdeath on August 25, 2012, 03:39:35 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 24, 2012, 08:17:56 PM
TKO is reissuing all the early work from Poison Idea. May order the 2 LPs that are currently available; I think I sold or traded "Pick Your Kings" so wouldn't mind having it again. I was just informed that someone I've met did the remastering.
Cool!
The Poison Idea radio set is just top notch from this early era for musicianship and style.
Pick Your King will always have a special place in my heart.
YDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcM7GRvOTAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nWduRRQxo&playnext=1&list=PLF218E3B2B64D01B4&feature=results_video
I got my copy of "The Fatal Erection Years" LP a couple of weeks ago and it is presented really well...the music is great which goes without saying.
I've been listening to Crazy Spirits Demo LP loads - its great. Sounds like a noisey version of The Germs.
Been listening to Invasion and Inservibles LP's constantly since I got them earlier in the year...anyone know of any bands similar to them? I like the heavily delayed/reverbed vocals...that sort of stuff.
Quote from: youngnosh on August 26, 2012, 09:31:28 PMBeen listening to Invasion and Inservibles LP's constantly since I got them earlier in the year...anyone know of any bands similar to them? I like the heavily delayed/reverbed vocals...that sort of stuff.
I've not heard of Inservibles.
"Have we talked about bands like Invasion, Destino Final, and Pioggia Nera? Great new millennial punk bands that have a twist of goth in them, while having traces of Finnish vocal echo, heavy crust bass and pacing, mesmerizing riffing, dark production, and notably pleasing visual art? The Destino Final - Atrapados 2009 album will likely make my "best of the decade" list. As I re-listen to all these, I'm unsure why I would place Destino Final on the list and not Invasion, for all the records strike me as unique, powerful, smartly constructed, and pleasing in every way.
I would think the old schoolers who find little new punk that is interesting would really get into all of this. There's a feel to these bands that hearkens back to the 80s, yet they are not mimics or even homage. Doing their own thing and blowing minds."
Inservibles do a similar thing to invasion/destino final but do it rawer and faster with crazy amounts of echo on the vocals. Much more straight punk influenced than crust.
Piogia Nera sound good - thanks.
Been in a big Polish HC/punk mood the past few days. Post Regiment (1990 demo forward), Antidotum (1st LP is far better than their 2nd), El Banda (both LPs are great, but the 1st is the better), Piekło Kobiet, Delicje (post-El Banda), Arrwstia (Greece), and I need to give La Fraction more of a chance.
The sample sounds great. Apologies if this should be in the classifieds. I'm not affiliated with anyone involved. Just liked the sample quite a bit.
new label, Ultra Sonido. If you're a fan of raw South American punk/metal/hc, this release is a must! Previously only known to the most die hard of underground tape traders, Curriculum Mortis' debut 1988 demo, Sentencia de Muerte, is a raw and ferocious mix of hardcore and thrash metal that South American bands mastered in the late 1980s. Seven songs over the course of 30 minutes, for the first time ever on vinyl. Limited to 500 copies.
Write up from our main man Fred Alva (Wardance Records) -
Life in Peru during the mid-1980's was a cauldron of simmering tensions threatening to push society over the edge. A Maoist inspired insurgent group promised to level the country into a killing field, Khmer Rouge style. The state's security apparatus responded in kind, through a scorched earth policy, a catch-22 scenario of killing the patient to cure the disease. Teenagers growing up in the capital of Lima had few outlets to channel the overwhelming dread of those times.
The worldwide Trash Metal explosion coupled with the more extreme HC/Punk sounds provided a source of inspiration; a way to exorcise the doom & destruction via the creation of their own apocalyptic noise. This wasn't easy, in a country with limited resources: A lack of equipment, indifferent studio engineers, frequent power outages, antagonistic adults/peers & the all-too real possibility of
being "mistakenly" shot by the army or the police.
It is to Curriculum Mortis credit that in spite of all these obstacles, they succeeded in creating such a vital musical document. The title of the demo, Sentencia De Muerte, takes on a morbid literal meaning. End times were here; society would either be destroyed or irrevocably altered during the year of zero. The pummeling rhythm section, howling guitar riff & the agonizing vocals reflect dark days. Listen closely & you'll hear the executioner's song heralding the end of this life/death sentence.
Order here: http://ultrasonido.bigcartel.com/
Audio samples here: http://soundcloud.com/ultrasonido
saw the band Dead in the Dirt last night. Good crust punk with some real grind-y moments. It another band that tags itself as black metal when its just crust punk, but they put on a good show. Recommended.
Throw Bricks at Coppers - How Many More Brutal Fucking Police Murders demo 1998
Thick, smooth guitars ala Hiatus and Doom with the spirit and caveman brutality of Cracked Cop Skulls. I'm still undecided if they're as good as any of these mentioned, but I like the feel a lot.
They borrow some riffs from old HC. "Bow Street Bastards" opens with the riff from "Karma" of DxRxIx. "Hospitalised by Telescopic Batons" borrows a riff as well, but I can't quite put my finger on it. "Jesus is a Cunt" is Dayglo Abortions "Suicide".
Are you looking for newer power-violence, stuff from the 90s, or just anything that's good?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 12, 2012, 12:52:23 AM
Any power violence recommendations?
The Water Torture 7" "Shellfire" is superb. I would also look into the Endless Blockade if you haven't, the last split they did with Unearthly Trance features Jon from Slogun and the EB dudes do an excellent Slogun cover too. Andy and Eric (main songwriters from EB) went on to form another solid PE act called Column of Heaven.
Bookburner had some awesome potential with their 7" but I believe the band is done.
Lastly, if you really enjoy Despise You, look into the S/T 7" from Final Draft. Furious power violence, with some great hip hop samples.
I was thinking of Bookburner and The Endless Blockade as well, but then I checked my notes and relistened to Bookburner. I like what they were attempting to do, but I think the exercise was a failure overall. Too much noise and not enough HC, and not enough good noise that got in the way of the average HC homage. I've only heard that one 7", though.
SFN - Itching 2010 - good power-violence from Wisconsin - nice bass tone (MitB) - I hope someone releases a discography CD.
Running for Cover - Dark Well 2008 - smoking power-violence album with a [sometimes] annoying outro - holding down the roots to power-violence with fury and might, but progressively so. You can't go wrong with anything they did. Great band.
Society of Friends - Growing Up and Moving Away LP - this album made my top-10 of the decade (2000-2010) - they were solid to start, but they only got better and better - I'll be listening to this album in 30 years - a bona fide classic.
For my money, The Endless Blockade's benchmark was the Turning Illness into a Weapon album. It feels like they structured it, as in its flow, like a quality noise album. It's unique and very well done in that regard.
If you like Crossed Out, I recommend Su19b. Really the only Crossed Out worship worth spit.
You already know about Apt.213, and while the first 7" is still their best, I recommend their discography CD and everything they've done after it. I probably like them more now than I did when they formed.
Threatener is not power-violence, but for that all-out, balls to the wall energy of Despise You, they're in the same league. Fierce HC thrash of the highest order.
reunion of Erode. I was part of them in their very early days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56HpvMA7M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6ccfGA4jlA
I don't know if anybody here is into Jap OI! and the whole 90's called SSS (skinhead samurai spirit)
music is some sort of very metalized oi with completely over the top sing along and rough vocals.
These are some highlights:
cannons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=652E9NBs1Kc
miburo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqiIKKujGA&feature=relmfu
sledgehammer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4NtQH-7Pj8
strongblossom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgtEmkZ0gc&feature=relmfu
and my cult (although definitely more hardcore/metal influenced)
jin rai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg9CLHqbiU&feature=plcp
shitload of stuff on this channel
other personal faves
strong style
kobra
ouka
bad voltures
If anybody wants more I would suggest to get the Fight back for the rising sun compilation.
Tributes commonly suck. The Amebix Japan album was no exception and was pretty much underwhelming. The Amebix Balkans is impressive. Some really nice tweaks and variations on the songs. I only know a couple names on the band list, but there isn't a stinker on it. Held my attention and was a real joy to hear; nice since tributes almost always make me feel like I'm wasting my time.
listen:
http://soundcloud.com/punkgr/amebix-balkans-a-tribute-to
LP info:
http://www.motherpig.info/2/post/2012/8/amebix-balkans-is-finally-here.html
Last week I was re-listening to a German project that I saw a couple of years ago that play a very powerful mix of hardcore, melodic punk rock with strong rock and roll feel.
Very short songs with aggressive live presence.
Shows usually lasts 20 mins.
The singer is a real live-animal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wreHSHH4Eqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPVXDoZExhQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPpaCX82VEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIh_e4g3EO8
My town's finest
The leeches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz6QMUmGixc
with influences ranging from angry samoans, adolescents and early turbonegro, gigs usually ends up in massive food fights
The Dwarves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1jmK_iVjEA
Not sure if anyone has mentioned Crucifucks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9zbrP5kHg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9zbrP5kHg)
Enormous fun for all the family
japan noise punk a la Confuse Gai Dust Noise Disclose etc play often in my speaker
listening to kill allen wrench, still makes me crack after so many years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXM67UNcak
morning was spent listening to the MENTORS
Nabat in the past week end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkOGi-SVZYI
waiting for Last Resort next week
About to see No Tolerance.. quality straight edge hardcore in the vein of Brotherhood..
three names: Kylma Sota, Kieltolaki, Clown.
Kylma Sota - 10 Tracks 2010 - Finnish HC - the truly buzzsaw guitars are up my alley - love the echo on the vocals - this album floors me...EVERY TIME - by far my favorite from them and a strong list consideration for "best of decade 2000-2010".
Kieltolaki - Massahypnoosi 2009 - Finnish HC - this band is pretty great - took me a few listens to warm up to this album compared to the 7"s - the recording isn't as thin and raw as some; love the bass and dynamics - that bass gives it a chaotic feel as if it is falling over itself, but not in an inept way - each time I play it, I like it that much more, and I already am a big fan.
VA - Nagoya City HC - Prank - Clown tracks are very good (2nd track has some nice writing, and 3rd track speedy, catchy smoker), but I think I like the album tracks more - Zilemma made me curious about their LP and EP - D-Clone tracks weren't consistent, but they have some beautifully frying and engaging moments.
Clown - Livestock World 2007 - Japanese HC - BURLY, fierce, husky, smartly written - another strong list consideration for "best of decade 2000-2010" - as off-putting as the name, title, and maybe the artwork (but the artwork is glorious Sugi) can be for some, this is tip-top shelf Japanese HC with its own feel
My wet dreams come true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjXcVH3VEw4
The definitive documentary on Italian old-school Hc, whose last breath I have been lucky to feel as youngster...
negazione, declino, ccm, indigesti, etc. etc.
label guy who produced this knows what he is doing
I checked that Italian HC trailer last week. Looking forward to it. As information becomes available, I'd truly appreciate you posting it here. I only run into that stuff [mostly] by mistake.
I forgot how thunderously powerful the first Skitsystem 7" and LP are. Though the EPis one of my all-time favorite 7"s, I don't listen to it much anymore; probably been 2-3 years since the last time. Not very punk to spend that kind of money in that kind of studio, but the results speak for themselves (not something of issue to me, but I've seen it mentioned in the past). If I was making a list of heavy music since Black Sabbath, they'd both likely be on it.
I realized last night how The New Lows strike the same space as the Breakdown '87 demo, which I believe to be one of the best demos of that rich late-80's period. I was fiending hard enough for more Breakdown that I finally listened to Blacklisted. Honestly, I didn't even know it existed. It has some weak points, like the vocals sounding too much like Sick of It All, but it is surprisingly good; maybe even great. The riffs, and some of the drumming, remind me of vintage Leeway, and Born to Expire is a crossover classic.
Sure.
There are several interesting books on Italo-hc at the moment and some guys are currently gathering infos and material about my hometown, Como, a very small scene that gave a few cult projects. I am quite thrilled.
Loved Breakdown, bass lines were fantastic. Same guys behind my fave metal core band of those years, Killing Time.
I put on Negazione – Tutti Pazzi 7" while making this post for nostalgia purposes. Classic.
I broke the battery on my ipod mp3 player so I had to go back to my old high school one which only works if I plug it into the wall:
Brainbombs - Fucking Mess
Brainbombs - Urge To Kill
Atrocious Madness - Demo, Total Control 12" (not an 80's band, defunct Portland politically oriented Noise Punk like confuse, G.A.I., ext. highly recommend all works by this band.)
Various – Downtown Street Punker Anarchy Centre CD (1995 re-issue of 80's tape)
Various - I Thrash Therfore I Am LP (Anti-Cimex,Mob-47, Enola Gay, Ect)
SOB - Thrash Night 7" & Split Flexi w/ Napalm Death
YDI- A Place In The Sun 7" & Demo Tape (Highly Recommend if you have not heard this 80's American punk band)
Capitalist Casualties - 1988 Demo Tape, The Art Of Ballistics 7" (Slap A Ham), Disassembly Line LP (Slap A Ham) Incredible first period of this California group shows great tension in their DRI inspired music, their lyrics point to very specific instances of injustice and turmoil, not some general heuristic complaining like some other bands of this transitional period.
Tar Babies - Face The Music 7" very obscure and groovy 80's hardcore from the usa
Adrenaline O.D. - Let's Barbeque 7" EP I dont even know why I like this but after 5 listens it rises above most other bands of this style...their lighthearted humor turns to black comedy for me.
Napalm Death - Live 7" (Guts Records 1989) Bootleg live set from the masters, when they were still kids and sounded a lot like heresy and ripcord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25A10fUetaU
Siege - Drop Dead (Recorded 2/6/84 & 10/26/84 at Radiobeat, Boston, Mass.) Lp on Deep Six & CD on Deranged
Agnostic Front United Blood
Iron Cross - Crucified For Your Sins Discography
Corrosion Of Conformity - Eye For An Eye LP Incredible record right here which will never get old.
Attitude Adjustment - No More Mr. Nice Guy LP this is the best attitude adjustment recording and will blow you away the singer of my old band's uncle Tom Mallon recorded this record and a fuck ton of others:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tom+Mallon
Sorto - 1984-1986 7"EP from Tornio Finland been listening to this a lot lately...
United Mutation - Fugitive Family 7"
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 12, 2012, 04:07:51 AM
You already know about Apt.213, and while the first 7" is still their best, I recommend their discography CD and everything they've done after it. I probably like them more now than I did when they formed.
Apartment 213 & more importantly Lockweld are a huge influence on the development of my noise music.
Quote from: Bleak Existence on October 18, 2012, 03:37:42 AM
Disclose
Kawakami did an excellent noise project called Black Goat aka Goatworshipper. Im sure many already know about it so I can add that It sounds sonically better than most other "harsh" noise I have listened to.
That Italian HC doc looks excellent.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 24, 2012, 07:13:13 PMLoved Breakdown, bass lines were fantastic. Same guys behind my fave metal core band of those years, Killing Time.
I was very easy to please. The only records of that time and place that I could not get into were Killing Time - Brightside and Judge - Bringin' It Down. I thought that was maybe a consequence to the lifeless Brightside recording, and when a respected tape trader encouraged me to give them another chance and sent this video as evidence, I thought I'd change my mind. I love that it is on youtube now. But I found the live show just as sterile. I think I'm going to give it another chance, though. I'm really in the mood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjYiyC7Xxo
capitalist casualties 1987
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgIfKNvXXf0
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 25, 2012, 09:10:45 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 24, 2012, 07:13:13 PMLoved Breakdown, bass lines were fantastic. Same guys behind my fave metal core band of those years, Killing Time.
I was very easy to please. The only records of that time and place that I could not get into were Killing Time - Brightside and Judge - Bringin' It Down. I thought that was maybe a consequence to the lifeless Brightside recording, and when a respected tape trader encouraged me to give them another chance and sent this video as evidence, I thought I'd change my mind. I love that it is on youtube now. But I found the live show just as sterile. I think I'm going to give it another chance, though. I'm really in the mood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjYiyC7Xxo
ehhe Judge were my fave of the lot, but it took me a while to get used to the sound of bringin' it down... today the song I hated most (the storm) is my fave, especially the version on the 7".
of the same scene another monster group were REST IN PIECES, first lp, demo/7" and the amazing tracks on the FREE FOR ALL compilation felt like air for me. Armand Majidi's voice was epic.
Bl'ast - The Power of Expression (1986)
Bl'ast - It's in My Blood (1987)
I used to think It's in My Blood was the only other album around that time that was similar to Age of Quarrel. Heavy. Simple, yet sweeping riffs. Strangely timed, yet in a tight groove; almost danceable in the instinctual familiarness. Caveman vibe. Tense-necked vocals. Existential lyrics (I'm not trying to sell them as Kierkegaard, but the perspective is unique). The big difference being the Black Flag/Ginn-esque licks of Bl'ast. From my listening angle, they still feel like kin.
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 14, 2012, 11:25:45 PM
I don't know if anybody here is into Jap OI! and the whole 90's called SSS (skinhead samurai spirit)
music is some sort of very metalized oi with completely over the top sing along and rough vocals.
These are some highlights:
cannons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=652E9NBs1Kc
miburo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqiIKKujGA&feature=relmfu
sledgehammer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4NtQH-7Pj8
strongblossom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgtEmkZ0gc&feature=relmfu
and my cult (although definitely more hardcore/metal influenced)
jin rai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg9CLHqbiU&feature=plcp
shitload of stuff on this channel
other personal faves
strong style
kobra
ouka
bad voltures
If anybody wants more I would suggest to get the Fight back for the rising sun compilation.
Yeah that shit is pretty good and funny at times too. I have the Werewolf DLP, it has many of the bands you mentioned on it. Good shit, especially Sledgehammer's jingle jangle...
"Wacky Hi-jinxs of..." from Adrenalin OD is a long-time fave LP. Such a heavy sound on a lot of those songs. Not sure I've heard their debut 7", should look into that.
That 7" is a classic!
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 29, 2012, 02:13:50 AM
Bl'ast - The Power of Expression (1986)
Bl'ast - It's in My Blood (1987)
I used to think It's in My Blood was the only other album around that time that was similar to Age of Quarrel. Heavy. Simple, yet sweeping riffs. Strangely timed, yet in a tight groove; almost danceable in the instinctual familiarness. Caveman vibe. Tense-necked vocals. Existential lyrics (I'm not trying to sell them as Kierkegaard, but the perspective is unique). The big difference being the Black Flag/Ginn-esque licks of Bl'ast. From my listening angle, they still feel like kin.
its great, and I'd like to own Power Of Expression, too, at some point.
I wonder if someone here could offer some insight into the collectivist mentality of punk/hardcore versus the individualist mentality of black metal as the two scenes (up til now) have had a noted rivalry. I've heard some Infest/MITB dismiss BM as "silly neckbeards running through the forest in makeup", while BM types mostly dismissed punk/hardcore as "life music" and "devoid of musical value".
speaking of crews...Swing on sight family can take a long walk off a short pier
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on December 03, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
I wonder if someone here could offer some insight into the collectivist mentality of punk/hardcore versus the individualist mentality of black metal as the two scenes (up til now) have had a noted rivalry. I've heard some Infest/MITB dismiss BM as "silly neckbeards running through the forest in makeup", while BM types mostly dismissed punk/hardcore as "life music" and "devoid of musical value".
It seemed like a PV fundamental was making fun of BM... Anal Cunt had songs, Spazz and I know there were more I just can't think of it. I think most of those guys like the music but were hung up on the imagery; if your not goofy and make fun of everything your gay or for the PC bands "lame".
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on December 03, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 29, 2012, 02:13:50 AM
Bl'ast - The Power of Expression (1986)
Bl'ast - It's in My Blood (1987)
I used to think It's in My Blood was the only other album around that time that was similar to Age of Quarrel. Heavy. Simple, yet sweeping riffs. Strangely timed, yet in a tight groove; almost danceable in the instinctual familiarness. Caveman vibe. Tense-necked vocals. Existential lyrics (I'm not trying to sell them as Kierkegaard, but the perspective is unique). The big difference being the Black Flag/Ginn-esque licks of Bl'ast. From my listening angle, they still feel like kin.
its great, and I'd like to own Power Of Expression, too, at some point.
Power Of Expression is their best effort in my opinion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj00Mhu4OdI
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 12, 2012, 12:52:23 AM
Any power violence recommendations? Listened to the upcoming Sea of Shit/Water Torture 7" which is pretty good. W.T. uses a bit of noise on their last track. Are there any one-stop shopping websites for hardcore/PV, etc. with good prices? I'm thinking of doing any order with Diseased Audio for a couple of 7"'s...
i am in Sea Of Shit. grim dirge power violence- members also spent time with various PE/NOISE outfits- CONSTRICTIONS, ABUSE PATTERNS, HATE BASEMENT, etc. you can keep up with anything new we are doing here: http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/ (http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/) all of our current releases available for free download. we just released the split with New York's WATER TORTURE http://grindcorekaraoke.com/album/shellfire (http://grindcorekaraoke.com/album/shellfire), dual bass power violence, and i think they have live electronics now. they are definitely a band doing it right these days. SEA OF SHIT is currently writing for a 10" which should hopefully be out by summer 13 in time for a east coast/us south tour with
SICK/TIRED http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/album/unreleased-lp-sample-tracks-2013 (http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/album/unreleased-lp-sample-tracks-2013) who are a grind/PV band also from chicago, featuring members of WINTERS IN OSAKA and ex-90s mainstays MK ULTRA. they will also have an LP available for that tour.
also interesting in chicago-
CONSENT, http://consentpv.bandcamp.com/ (http://consentpv.bandcamp.com/) who are an on again/off again Power violence band with their dicks dipped deeply in noise. featuring members of HATE BASEMENT and MACHISMO and ex- WEEKEND NACHOS. they were on an indefinite hiatus, but are apparently returning soon, as DISEASED AUDIO http://diseasedaudio.storenvy.com/ (http://diseasedaudio.storenvy.com/), a label and distro run by the vocalist of SEA OF SHIT is giving their widely unavailable demo a proper rerelease.
RECTAL HYGIENICS http://fuckrectalhygienics.bandcamp.com/ (http://fuckrectalhygienics.bandcamp.com/) are actually not a PV or grind band, but tread the path of bands like RUSTED SHUT, BRAINBOMBS, and DRUNKDRIVER. midpaced blown out noise rock. members also do time in SEA OF SHIT, HATE BASEMENT, MACHISMO, and SHARPTOOTH (a lot of incest in this scene).
WORN OUT http://wornxout.bandcamp.com/album/shackles-worn-out-split (http://wornxout.bandcamp.com/album/shackles-worn-out-split) are just a blistering three piece grind assault. fairly new. but their most recent split with australia's SHACKLES is a rager.
PAUCITIES http://paucities.bandcamp.com/album/upcoming-split-lp-w-agathocles (http://paucities.bandcamp.com/album/upcoming-split-lp-w-agathocles) is members of WINTERS IN OSAKA, MAGIA NUDA, and SICK/TIRED doing the whole Agothocles mince thing, but probably better than Agothocles does these days.
EDIT/ADDED
URINECOP https://soundcloud.com/jimharas/urine-cop-sample (https://soundcloud.com/jimharas/urine-cop-sample) is a toiletgrind shit heap featuring members of DETERGE, WIO, and ENDLESS BLOCKADE. total blown out stupidity. just released an amazing 7" on Fusty Cunt
MEN AS WITCHES http://menaswitches.bandcamp.com/album/outer-darkness (http://menaswitches.bandcamp.com/album/outer-darkness) are members of WORN OUT as a two piece sludge/PV unit. new 7" coming soon on DISMANTLE records.
other notable things going on-
VILE INTENT http://vileintent.likeweeds.org/ (http://vileintent.likeweeds.org/) are canada's answer to true power violence. have been lucky to play shows with these guys a bunch of times, and they never disappoint.
also
SCAPHE http://scaphe.bandcamp.com/ (http://scaphe.bandcamp.com/) is a band/record i have been so psyched on lately. Minneapolis's answer to MAN IS THE BASTARD/BASTARD NOISE style og/pv worship. dirge. bass wankery. odd time signatures. noise. truly great.
Quote from: WAKO on December 06, 2012, 07:25:54 AM
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on December 03, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
I wonder if someone here could offer some insight into the collectivist mentality of punk/hardcore versus the individualist mentality of black metal as the two scenes (up til now) have had a noted rivalry. I've heard some Infest/MITB dismiss BM as "silly neckbeards running through the forest in makeup", while BM types mostly dismissed punk/hardcore as "life music" and "devoid of musical value".
It seemed like a PV fundamental was making fun of BM... Anal Cunt had songs, Spazz and I know there were more I just can't think of it. I think most of those guys like the music but were hung up on the imagery; if your not goofy and make fun of everything your gay or for the PC bands "lame".
most of the Ross Bay types would shit on those fucks. I like Anal Cunt, btw. most PC shit is well, shit.
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on December 03, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
I wonder if someone here could offer some insight into the collectivist mentality of punk/hardcore versus the individualist mentality of black metal as the two scenes (up til now) have had a noted rivalry. I've heard some Infest/MITB dismiss BM as "silly neckbeards running through the forest in makeup", while BM types mostly dismissed punk/hardcore as "life music" and "devoid of musical value".
well, apart from no-future types, most punk/hc was somehow striving to change/save the world, reacting to society's pressure, while die -hard BM was for total annhilation.
back in the days in several HC eyes BM was either ridicolous or NAZI (this long before BURZUM started wearing swastikas and the birth of NSBM), and for BM, HC was pro-light/life ecc.
On the other hand in Europe many HC people were heavily into BM and got very influenced, think about the Belgian scene and many others in Italy, a I have seen several BM people at HC/OI! gigs, so it is not always a rule.
I found this and wanted to post it here.
ATROCIOUS MADNESS interview in Finnish:
http://www.punkinfinland.net/tv/julkaisut/147/atrocious.html
Saw Harvest last night. Excellent live band. Beefy pit action.
Anybody dig on the Youth Attack Records sound? VILE GASH, RAW NERVE, CULT RITUAL?
Quote from: jesusfaggotchrist on January 06, 2013, 03:48:17 AM
Anybody dig on the Youth Attack Records sound? VILE GASH, RAW NERVE, CULT RITUAL?
Yeah, I think the releases they've done that are 80's influenced in playing and production style have been excellent.
Some people can't seem to look past the perceived "hipster" tag of the label though.
There are definitely better labels out there though!
I really like vile gash, cult ritual, the ropes, etc
relistening the whole genocide ss discography... fucking excellent stuff... perfect aestetic and some real masterpieces like the hateball is rolling now and superstar confession
mix of hardcore, grind, motorhead and rock and roll
New SEX DRIVE material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D34vwFWVFwc
kickback
one of my favorite crust bands, but I don't really think of them as crust. they're a punk hybrid of sorts. This is a solid album in their own style. No stumbling evolution. The album prior to this, Last Cries, appears to be slated for re-release on LP, too.
Bad Influence - Preaching to the Converted - early British anarcho punk crossed with early British crust crossed with 80s indie crossed with Voi Vod or Die Kreuzen (October File). Might sound like a mess, but it isn't at all.
http://chaosruralerecords.bandcamp.com/album/preaching-to-the-perverted
Just came back from a HOAX show, 100% pissed off hardcore!
Wow. I can't believe anyone (although I do certainly understand it because of where so many people on noise/"power electronics" in america are coming from) could put down swedish/finnish/uk82/d-beat/crust in favor of stupid, modern, slickly-produced tough guy/brain dead mosh core bullshit.
I'm not saying that style of punk/hc is the greatest form of music ever, but come on.
Oh, and I just read the first page for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nKogpOf4Hk
STREET PUNK THE MOVIE
Damn great documentary showing what was going on in the punk scene in London in the mid-90's.
Many interviews to concert goers, punks, skins, crusties, many drunk... everybody seems to be having a laugh.
Many bands, some I have been a huge fan of (ONE WAY SYSTEM, VARUKERS, MENACE, THE STAINS, UK SUBS, Oxymoron etc.), some I have never heard of and I definitely need to know more about (AIR BOMB, Screamer and, more than anything, POLICE BASTARDS, fucking intense stuff).
Funny to see several persons that a a couple of years later were often seen at Hinoeuma/Slimelight gigs.
Two hours long, sometime a bit tedious but definitely worth a watch if are into those kind of sounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvZFwAQ_UE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER1s6t37y-c
best classic style oi! band of the 90's I have seen live.
fucking intense singalong and ignorant lyrics.
constant repeat as of late: WALLS - The Future Is Wide Open. one of the best records of 2012, in my opinion.
http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/the-future-is-wide-open-lp
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 12, 2013, 01:56:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YvZFwAQ_UE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER1s6t37y-c
best classic style oi! band of the 90's I have seen live.
fucking intense singalong and ignorant lyrics.
Friend of mine gave me an album of theirs years ago. Probably should have kept it, but after after a few listens you get the idea too much. He told me they were a piss-take band, but as usual with these things, how can you tell just by listening?
This, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-fFm0XvLUc, though, rules. Best before-song banter I've heard in a long time.
ahah great
their fat bassist player is also in wat tyler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m97FgvV9rbU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI4vAoS7U90
their best track I suppose... soundtrack of some funny moments in my British stay
I was once in fairly regular contact with Sean from Wat Tyler and Hard Skin and can say that 100% certainly there is a lot of pisstake parody in Hard Skin, but also a genuine love of the classic Oi! sound. He kinda worships the first Cockney Rejects album.
I've seen them live at my hometown's big punk festival and it is kind of amusing seeing foreign skins and boneheads apparently taking Hard Skin at face value. These guys would be unable to punch their way out of paper bags and haven't been in a fight since junior school probably - they are just good musicians with a big sense of mischievous humour.
I thîng they are the quintessence of "Having a laugh" attitude. Thir sound is aa pure mix of Cockney reject meets / cock sparrer, but with a dignity of its own.
I know I sound like an HS groupie, but when they came out most bands were either turning to metal/hc influenced stuff or kept repeating the same riff of 4 skins "wonderful world" over and over again...
Listening to Los Crudos discography... fucking energy!
Saw Hard Skin a few weeks ago, do not care for their fun-oi! at all...
I think I have posted them many times here,... but I cannot stop thinking this was one of the best hc tracks of the 90's and they have been one of the best bands I have ever seen live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9YRzndEnE
http://joannanewsome.tumblr.com/post/44750065316/hard-skin-featuring-joanna-newsom-the-man-who
Hard Skin collaboration with Joanna Newsome. Silly, but I find it utterly charming.
Now this is true underground :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKikmUvPzj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKikmUvPzj8)
Purity Control - Toronto powerviolence. Solid stuff. Raw and punchy without being over or under produced, and really nice vocals. All their stuff is available for free on their bandcamp.
http://puritycontrolhc.bandcamp.com/ (http://puritycontrolhc.bandcamp.com/)
This could just as well be in a metal thread. Bolt Thrower riffs. Swedish HC/death metal structures. Melodic His Hero is Gone vocals. Power-violence vibes. Chaos and ferocity. I'm liking this album a lot.
Hatred Surge - Human Overdose (2013)
http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/human-overdose-lp-2
I have been watching the film of American Hardcore which I love, I liked the book too.
One I have been listening to a lot is Ciril Hysteria Driven and the follow up Sick Surreal on Know records.
http://ciril.bandcamp.com/
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 01, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
This could just as well be in a metal thread. Bolt Thrower riffs. Swedish HC/death metal structures. Melodic His Hero is Gone vocals. Power-violence vibes. Chaos and ferocity. I'm liking this album a lot.
Hatred Surge - Human Overdose (2013)
http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/human-overdose-lp-2
Just heard this a couple of days ago. It sounds good indeed. I got Hatred Surge - Deconstruct LP a while ago, really like it a lot, especially the ugly female vocals!
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on April 17, 2013, 10:09:06 PM
Purity Control - Toronto powerviolence. Solid stuff. Raw and punchy without being over or under produced, and really nice vocals. All their stuff is available for free on their bandcamp.
http://puritycontrolhc.bandcamp.com/ (http://puritycontrolhc.bandcamp.com/)
backed. RIP.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 01, 2013, 01:30:44 AM
This could just as well be in a metal thread. Bolt Thrower riffs. Swedish HC/death metal structures. Melodic His Hero is Gone vocals. Power-violence vibes. Chaos and ferocity. I'm liking this album a lot.
Hatred Surge - Human Overdose (2013)
http://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/human-overdose-lp-2
this album is fucking great.
Hello. Could someone please recommend me some music that sounds similar to this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMFyxgpGK8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMFyxgpGK8)
I'm looking for extremely noisy and chaotic hardcore/grind. I've seen this EP labeled as noisecore, but much of the noisecore I heard wasn't very similar to this. Any help would be appreciated.
Maybe start with:
WADGE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I21A-Gg6vpw
AGORAPHOBIC NOSEBLEED 1st demo/7": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRcigZKxPM
I think sound quality, drum sound and general atmosphere is quite close..
or you might try Nails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60Yx1UsVGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60Yx1UsVGA)
occupying my brain for a while now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo
and then:
Slip It In (1984) - my introduction to Black Flag - not sure if I liked it, but few other musics intrigued me like it did - and then I got hooked.
In My Head (1985) - the album I grab most often these days, but then Slip, Process, and Live '84 usually follow.
The Process of Weeding Out (1985) - probably my favorite Black Flag recording overall - only bothered with it because of how much I liked the live versions from Live '84.
Live '84 - bought it because I wanted to hear Slip It In live and because it was either $2 or 4$ - it just made me want to hear more of the twisted jazz/prog/heavy guitar from Ginn.
Nervous Breakdown EP (1978) - because Morris' vocals.
Jealous Again EP (1980) - because the songs are brilliant.
Dead Yuppies - Gdy Swiat to za Malo (2009)
Delicje - Rok Szczura demo (ex-El Banda) - does anyone know if this was a cassette, CDR, or web release? I'd love to get a copy of the CDR if they exist. anyone know someone in the band? talk them into loading the master lossless files onto bandcamp?
Polish punk is unique insofar as being [maybe] the only regional punk style that can be poppy and heavy, rich in tones, nastily aggressive, and with smartly written songs. Such great bass tones. If there is a downfall, it's that they seem to be verbose; lots and lots of lyrics. Maybe if I understood them, it would change everything, but I also appreciate when music is allowed to stand on its own. Traditionally, Polish punks don't give the music a lot of time to breathe, but they got a lot to say. That's cool.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 24, 2013, 09:39:31 PM
Dead Yuppies - Gdy Swiat to za Malo (2009)
Delicje - Rok Szczura demo (ex-El Banda) - does anyone know if this was a cassette, CDR, or web release? I'd love to get a copy of the CDR if they exist. anyone know someone in the band? talk them into loading the master lossless files onto bandcamp?
Polish punk is unique insofar as being [maybe] the only regional punk style that can be poppy and heavy, rich in tones, nastily aggressive, and with smartly written songs. Such great bass tones. If there is a downfall, it's that they seem to be verbose; lots and lots of lyrics. Maybe if I understood them, it would change everything, but I also appreciate when music is allowed to stand on its own. Traditionally, Polish punks don't give the music a lot of time to breathe, but they got a lot to say. That's cool.
Nice that somebody outside of Poland knows and appreciates Polish punk rock. I am not specialist in that genre but Polish punk and postpunk, especially from eighties, was very good supposedly:
MOSKWA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0PO50EJjc
ARMIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_kR9P8rFCc
DEZERTER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac67JI68kcs
SIEKIERA - my favourite, not punk/hardcore exactly, but this album is very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxVPUwr0Z3Q
The Polish scene has been small, yet strong since the beginning. The 90s had great bands like Pieklo Kobiet, and post-2000 has El Banda, Utopia, Dead Yuppies, Delicje, Antidotum, and a few others I'm forgetting now. It's interesting that the better known bands share members, so you have a couple people anchoring the whole situation.
One of the guys in Lotus Fucker is an authority on Polish punk. It's unfortunate that US distros get stuck with stock if they take a chance on Poland and eastern Europe releases. There's a tiny group of people who will always buy them, but then the sales stop dead. Scares them off of continuing to stock new releases, making it difficult to keep informed.
This is a great demo:
http://diyanarchocrustpunx.blogspot.com/2008/08/pieko-kobiet-moralna-inwigilacja.html
*catchy is more accurate than poppy
I cannot stop thinking that genocide super stars last record was a complete masterpiece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3xlVvb7FHQ
and definitely one of the best modern rock and roll songs I have listened in a while
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pByTODSoUec&list=ALBTKoXRg38BAc3qY6egskdeZDYvNIQzgn
Dezerter is amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8glG4iJGKA
This saturday Creem is playing Amsterdam. Looking forward to check them out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66hwjGmb9cY
I'd forgotten Homomilitia in my Polish punk post. Great, smoking LP. They were also related to the great dark crust band, Lost, which had a top pick LP and a 7". Have they been involved in anything else? Still active? Bands?
new SEA OF SHIT songs from our upcoming 10".
http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/album/s-t-10 (http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/album/s-t-10)
Quote from: humanpulp on July 31, 2013, 04:10:16 AM
new SEA OF SHIT songs from our upcoming 10".
http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/album/s-t-10 (http://seaofshit.bandcamp.com/album/s-t-10)
Sounds good. Could use greater dynamics and more low-end presence. Thin PV recordings can be tough listens. All the songs sound the same when maybe they really aren't. Something like D-beat can withstand that wall-like illusion, but PV suffers a lot from that same situation. As someone who fiends for PV, just throwing that out there.
Sick/Tired
King of Dirt
Cowabunga Records
Putting on King of Dirt is like boldly striding face first into a tornado of glass shards. It's a maelstrom of whirling slivers intent on rending your flesh, a vortex of unremitting insanity. Sick/Tired will leave you panting and breathless after all 19 minutes of vertiginous noise lurch to a halt with the groaning lumber of the title track, a five minute mutant that's not quite grind, not quite sludge and one of the rarest examples of successfully pulling off a slow song at the end in all of grind's history. But that's probably to be expected considering it was penned by Adam Jennings who also wrangles sublime noise with electronic neuromancers Winters in Osaka.
I can't say enough about how Sick/Tired have turned in one of the noisiest, most hostile grind albums I've heard since Blood I Bleed's Gods Out of Monsters. And I fucking love Gods Out of Monsters. This Chicago mob hits somewhere between Threatener's serrated fastcore and Anodyne gone full grind. And I fucking LOVE Anodyne.
King of Dirt snarls away from that precariously balanced perch between unlistenable chaos and production sharp enough to open your veins with the copious amounts of guitar feedback that get unlimbered like audio nooses on a gibbet of blasting death. Every song manages to surprise as the band bashes and hammers away at fragments of grind, beating each splinter of song into a twisted wreck distinct from the others. You won't be humming along to Sick/Tired's onslaught, but every song prickles the skin in a different way, giving King of Dirt a constantly evolving personality that staves off boredom even after compulsive re-listens.
This is simply one of the best records I've heard in years. It's absolutely everything you can ask for in a grind album. Even after days spent listening to King of Dirt on endless repeat, Sick/Tired's twisted hulks of songs have ways of refracting into new and more interesting shapes. Come get your tickets to the car crash.
http://grindandpunishment.blogspot.com/2013/07/g-reviewsicktired.html (http://grindandpunishment.blogspot.com/2013/07/g-reviewsicktired.html)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rd-Yl5mv1NQ/UfGolgWKEKI/AAAAAAAADas/6gUQOZ_PnT0/s320/sick-tired.jpg)
Listen/Download:
http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/album/king-of-dirt-12-lp (http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/album/king-of-dirt-12-lp)
Tour starts this weekend:
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1001610_607697362596239_258000954_n.jpg)
Musically, this could potentially make my year.
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/exclusive-blast-premiere-new-song-tomorrow-mixed-by-dave-grohl.html
and a new Misery mini-LP coming in the next couple months.
for those who appreciate lossless, I am sharing many discographies and full albums here:
http://www.punktorrents.com/search.php?action=results&sid=2f8608555fc6694dc6598a186009133b
if you have to register to see that (I believe you do), maybe this forum is publicly viewable:
http://www.punktorrents.com/forum-59.html
damn... I wish BLITZ did more stuff in the vein of Voice of a generation... no record sounds like that and most tracks are absolute classics...
then latest hard skin record follow what we said some months ago and confirm them my current fave oi! band... that track the Kids are innocent is complete classic, even in the becky bondage version... old school sound
Normally hardly ever listen more "modern" (melodic) hardcore, but was at STILL BURNING YOUTH (Ita) gig and energy what was there was very intense. Sadly sound of albums is so modern sound. Vocals was much more intense live and more ripping sound. Playing cover songs of Cripple Bastards etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugM6wTfa0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCXrgTToJ64
Same could be said about Path Of Resistance (ger). Very very rarely listen metallic hardcore. Certainly P.O.R. won't match strength of bands like Kickback for example, but put this in line together with some Finnish bands like Bolt of whatever, and it certainly has more charm in its Brutal Justice Hardcore. Seen them now two times, and certainly live situation is much better than records...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY8gMybao4Y
regarding the German path of resistance... still cannot understand why they ripped off the name from the earth crisis side project and why most nshc projects completely copycat original artwork
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 11, 2013, 09:24:54 AM
regarding the German path of resistance... still cannot understand why they ripped off the name from the earth crisis side project
I was wondering the same thing... when Earth Crisis came through recently (great show!), I was bugging Scott about the possibility of some Path shows some time. I hope it happens.
their first album is a complete classic.... some of the best singalongs of those years.
Mikko mentioning melody in hc... there are many brilliant band to look for... although I have always been more into aggressive stuff these were always a good alternative: youth brigade (when I got into punk they, doa and toxic reasons were the biggest name for Italy), zero boys, 7 seconds, gorilla buscuits, reason to believe, shelter, up front, embrace, dag nasty and, although OI! , Cock Sparrer.
Good current hardcore band: GAS RAG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wUX-2SvbC8
listening to rezillos a lot today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZxJbZdCbcU
Listening to a lot of Broken Bones, The Exploited (Live at the Whitehouse and Death Before Dishonour), Cracked Cop Skulls, Statement, English Dogs, and Venom.
1) I'm always surprised by Broken Bones. It makes no sense at this point. A) each time being reminded why Kawakami/Disclose was so obsessed with the Bonecrusher era B) not caring much for post-Bonecrusher C) wishing I'd heard Dem Bones a lot earlier than I did. D) sorry my first experience with them was Live at the 100 Club, because it is an awful live album.
2) Live at the Whitehouse is still very funny. Death Before Dishonour isn't given enough respect in the early British crossover market.
3) Cracked Cop Skulls is a great example why the transition from the 90s to the 2000s has been so disappointing. Everything about this band is exquisite, particularly the brutality and primal vibes. I hadn't heard Statement, and while different, the quality is there.
4) I've never been able to get into the English Dogs, and I still can't. I was a Combat fanboy. My record stores made sure of that. They were in a very small group of Combat bands I couldn't hack. I keep hoping I'll hear them differently. Nope.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 11, 2014, 05:02:38 AM
2) Live at the Whitehouse is still very funny. Death Before Dishonour isn't given enough respect in the early British crossover market.
Death Before Dishonour is my favorite Exploited album...dare say one of my favorite albums period.
It's one of only two albums that I have a copy of on every physical format available.
The ep with United Chaos and Anarchy (along the same time of Death...if I remember correctly) was also top notch.
Matter of fact...aside from some live records I don't remember
ever being disappointed with Exploited.
If I revisited the live stuff I may change my tune toward those..though I'm certain I don't need them in my collection again.
Just dragged out my dusty copy of Horror Epics along with a
One Way System best of comp.
I pulled out my copy of "Horror Epics" l.p. over x-mas holiday and cranked up the stereo. Still a classic with its crushing 80's drum sound, weird tom-heavy rhythms, almost "industrial" in a way...love it and it always reminds me of good times. Need to find some old ONE WAY SYSTEM, i think the only shit i have is on Riot-City comps etc, but even their later more metallic thrash was pretty killer. I love that era of thick-skulled shit kicking punk. Militant, bordering on almost right-wing reactionary attitude to keeping uk82 mohican melodies pure and untainted by artsy fartsy influence...BRAINDANCE is another example of this style done right.
completely hooked on hoax!!!!
FUCK!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQF9u4xHUw
That Hoax album is good. Feels twice as long as it is, though.
Quote from: tiny_tove on January 11, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
completely hooked on hoax!!!!
FUCK!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQF9u4xHUw
Told ya...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 11, 2014, 10:28:10 PM
That Hoax album is good. Feels twice as long as it is, though.
Which is not that bad, in my opinion. After you finish listening to them, some hardcore LPs make you question "well, is that all there is?". The Hoax album, on the other hand, feels like an intense and rewarding experience. I really did like it (and the packaging is top notch).
Right now, I'm listening to COKE BUST... good shit indeed, no frills pissed off HC in the vein of Cut The Shit and other similar bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3DJ2YEjtks
Quote from: Stridulum on January 12, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
Told ya...
Indeed!
this morning listening a lot to nabat: un altro giorno di gloria LP
IMHO to date still the best Italo-OI! record. great lyrics, original atmospheres and impressive singalongs.
Quote from: Stridulum on January 12, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on January 11, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
completely hooked on hoax!!!!
FUCK!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQF9u4xHUw
Told ya...
Right now, I'm listening to COKE BUST... good shit indeed, no frills pissed off HC in the vein of Cut The Shit and other similar bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3DJ2YEjtks
Saw Coke Bust supporting Adolescents in Milan, great show
Hoax is really good!
in the same vein, I really like Vile Gash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96DihKoyob4
Fifty dollars burning a hole in my pocket - - -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p33TCa60kuU
Listen to Indiana's OOZE. 1-2-Midwest-Fuck-You. Best band in punk right now. Good luck getting one of their tapes though. I hear they're recording a 7" though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ltzH237R0
EDIT: Listen to Big Zit. Some of the same members http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBtZMPySajY
Listening to WW4 (ex-members of Suckerpunch)
https://soundcloud.com/bust-it/sets/world-war-4-demo
Quote from: tiny_tove on January 11, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
completely hooked on hoax!!!!
FUCK!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAQF9u4xHUw
Agreed! Great live presence.
Been digging hard on the hardcore footage over at http://hate5six.com/ (http://hate5six.com/). If they played Philly in the last few years, it's most likely on here. THIS IS HARDCORE fest was amazing and the footage on here is pretty close.
Full of Hell is pretty intense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPLGsWXleCg
I haven't been interested or impressed with punk bands since 2009.
Been revisiting some stuff recently from around that time period:
Vile Nation, Civic Progress - Disposable 7", Double Negative - 2nd LP,
If you think Hoax is hot shit you should give Warkrime a try.
This style is doing nothing to impress me right now.
I can also recommend Migraine from Concord, CA.
They were a flash in time but they had a huge impact on me personally.
The record with the cult ritual guy's art is incredibly good.
Here is their demo:
http://youtu.be/pmg3GAmqP_M
But yeah I still love punk music, I haven't found any of the current bands I like or endorse.
The Mentally Ill are fucking your kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxUWe-72WM&feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxUWe-72WM&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru9hwzpLOLA
OHUZARU
great band from north-east of Italy
( disbanded now)
Debut by The Dayglo Abortions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orPb4m3DGBA
THE LOWEST FORM - NEGATIVE ECSTASY LP OUT NOW ON IRON LUNG RECORDS
https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/negative-ecstasy-lp
(stream is missing one track though)
Flipper rules!
for those in the UK, or can view UK TV via digital means somehow.
there's a docu called 'SOAP THE STAMPS' (we all done it!) about the DIY UK Hardcore scene in the 80s on Channel 4 tonight at 12:05am (GMT)
details, write up, etc :
http://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/19636/1/what-we-wore-hardcore
BLACK FLAG, CRYPTIC SLAUGHTER, DRI, CRO-MAGS, AMEBIX, DISCHARGE, THE EXPLOITED. The rest of original hardcore/crust-punk could be discarted. I know few good underground punk bands.
Opression - (Black-metal)ish hardcore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l5DzNDgiFE
I higly suggest his book Evolution of a Cro Magnon.
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 02, 2015, 04:35:13 PM
I higly suggest his book Evolution of a Cro Magnon.
yes. and if you're someone who listens to books, there's also an audio version.
also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG8ltDiGnwM
John Joseph on juicing and why dieting is for "pussies"
I met him several times around Europe and was extremely entertaining to be around with.
No-bullshit guy with a lot to tell.
Not to mention Cro Mags were one of the best/wildest live bands I have ever experienced.
I dislike the Cro-Mags. I love hardcore/punk, though.
I also dislike NYHC, both old and new, because I find that tough guy attitude quite ridiculous. I do love Reagan Youth and enjoy Burn (best 7" on Revelation in my humble opinion), Urban Waste or Gorilla Biscuits.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 04, 2015, 12:44:03 AM
I also dislike NYHC, both old and new, because I find that tough guy attitude quite ridiculous.
I think my enjoyment, and acceptance, of NYHC from the 80s is related to how I can deal with some of the unappetizing aspects of power-electronics etc.
Yeah, I know what you mean. But more than the attitude, I just find the music corny as hell.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 04, 2015, 02:12:56 AM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 04, 2015, 12:44:03 AM
I also dislike NYHC, both old and new, because I find that tough guy attitude quite ridiculous.
I think my enjoyment, and acceptance, of NYHC from the 80s is related to how I can deal with some of the unappetizing aspects of power-electronics etc.
This certainly served as a litmus test for my ability to make it through the equally endless posturing in electronic music. Similar cheeky grin when listening!
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on April 04, 2015, 02:49:40 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean. But more than the attitude, I just find the music corny as hell.
This notion is probably agreed with from the opposite side :P
speaking of NYHC... has anyone else gotten into the book yet? It's so good.
I love NYHC!! Urban Waste, Antidote, Kraut, Heart attack, The Mob, Cause For Alarm, The Abused, Reagan Youth, Alone In A Crowd, Straight Ahead, Burn, Undead & Cro Mags are my favorites! From what i've heard the book isn't that great..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmwNlWM2xkU
nyhc classic (ray rip)
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 09, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmwNlWM2xkU
nyhc classic (ray rip)
Saw Warzone in Albany, NY around 96' or 97'. One of the most fun shows I've ever been too and I can't even remember what other bands played. Skinhead Youth is a great sing a long.
Agnostic Front - Victim in Pain (1984)
Agnostic Front - Cause for Alarm (1986)
Lets not forget about these?
Also, I just ordered the YDI - A Place In The Sun / Black Dust LP Re-Issue on Southern Lord, I recommend this especially to all who have never listened to this band before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nWduRRQxo
essential NY reissues: http://www.radioraheemrecords.com/
Quote from: Coma Detox on April 09, 2015, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on April 09, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmwNlWM2xkU
nyhc classic (ray rip)
Saw Warzone in Albany, NY around 96' or 97'. One of the most fun shows I've ever been too and I can't even remember what other bands played. Skinhead Youth is a great sing a long.
Ray was a very nice person to be around with. Saw them in Europe not too long before he left us and they were impressive.
Love the way they inserted melodic parts in their singalong and the Don't forget the struggle record had a very original production...
And, damn, "The sound of revolution" is one of the my favourite songs ever..
aaaargh!!! I must have the NYC Mayhem record!!! Straight ahead was one of my obsessions back in the days (alongside their dopplegangers Rest in pieces)
YDI RULED. They were from Philly, not NYC though.
Since we're talking NYHC here... I like the Lou Koller-like vocals of this. Definitely has some crew elements to it. http://pressingon.bandcamp.com/
That has to be Brian Stern (Talk Is Poison, Living Eyes, etc...). Love his voice! Definitely sounds like his bass playing too.
MENTALLY ILL are "fucking your kids":
http://fuckedbynoise.blogspot.com/2015/04/mentally-ill-gacys-place.html
Snotty vocals & fuzzed out guitars.
Found the Ultra-Violent 7" reissue at local recordshop. Glad I finally got it. Still stoked about the great cover being more violent than any collage of flesh, cum or whatever imagery seen today, fuck.
Sadist sound pretty fucking good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLfnMiQkBJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLfnMiQkBJ8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edkzd7HPITs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edkzd7HPITs)
I think Sadist have some potential in spite of sticking too much to their influences but their recordings sound like shit, which is something that's been plaguing the US punk scene for the last 5 years or so.
Do you mean that you don't personally care much for a deliberate lo-fi kind of sound or you think some bands are over-doing it?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 03, 2015, 12:44:40 PM
Do you mean that you don't personally care much for a deliberate lo-fi kind of sound or you think some bands are over-doing it?
There's a trend for bands to be noisy for the sake of being noisy
and following the Japanese trend to play noisy HC/crust/whathaveyou (Zyanose, for instance). Most music is derivative, so that isn't the problem. It's that a lot of what is now noisy lacks any semblance of passion or sincerity. I love noisy, raw HC, but when it comes across as another dribbling strand from the sausage maker...well, who wants to be bothered with that? The amazing thing for me is that it seems like it would be hard to fuck up. Speed. Noise. Dissonance. Chaos. You have all these elements that should build into a visceral experience, but what comes out is an overdone, starchy noodle. To me, that comes down to the inability to
listen to a genre or style of music and not be able to pick up on the nuances of it. Just make it noisy without any understanding of what about noisy HC makes for
good noisy HC. That does for any trend, obviously. It happens to be problematic in HC right now.
All hail Zeno! You put it into much better words than I ever could.
Andrew, same as Zeno, I LOVE noisy/raw hardcore punk. I think one of the main issues with this kind of music nowadays is that it's mostly created by "consumers", people who don't REALLY listen to the music they play, who can't feel it. They don't realise Gloom's album is a proper riff fest with meticulously written songs, they have never heard Harass' 7", etc... To most American punks, playing hardcore has turned from being a passion to a habit, and it makes for shit bands. Mauser? Come on. The current NYC scene? Ridiculous. Etc...
It's not about overdoing it either. For instance, Infekzioa are really noisy and can be sloppy as hell (they did improve between both times I saw them live though. The drummer went from playing one single beat for an entire set to using both cymbals of his kit) but they really display some kind of brutal and overflowing energy when they play, which isn't what I can say about most US bands right now (and some Euro bands too!)
The Fix "Jan's Room" 7":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABmU97_uHFc
I remember reading that the title refers to a boarding house where a rape occurred.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 03, 2015, 09:11:37 PMThe amazing thing for me is that it seems like it would be hard to fuck up. Speed. Noise. Dissonance. Chaos. You have all these elements that should build into a visceral experience, but what comes out is an overdone, starchy noodle. To me, that comes down to the inability to listen to a genre or style of music and not be able to pick up on the nuances of it. Just make it noisy without any understanding of what about noisy HC makes for good noisy HC. That does for any trend, obviously. It happens to be problematic in HC right now.
I'd say the same thing about black metal for example. So much of "cavernous", "raw", whatever. But lightyears away from bands who were raw naturally, and with personal touch to it. Now many bands appear to be raw for very different reasons.
The thing with a lot of Metal bands "back in the day", or the Eighties if you prefer, is that they wanted to have a better production sound but couldn't, not just because of costs but because a lot of the average studio engineers at the time just didn't understand the kind of music more extreme Metal bands were doing. Bathory's "The Return", for me when it came out, ushered in a new way for Metal to sound, but I'll bet cash money that if Quorthon had the wherewithal at the time it would have sounded a lot different and a lot less memorable. It was common in fanzines at the time to read about people in bands complaining about the production of their albums. Hellhammer were sledged to the stars with their demo releases and the production became a by-word for "bad" for a lot of zinesters at the time (that and the music of course).
With punk, though, that wasn't supposed to be an issue, or at least that's how I remembered it. Punk was supposed to not give a fuck. Pretty much typified, for example, with the weak-arse production of a lot of Oi! albums from the Eighties (early The Buisiness, early The Oppressed, there's loads of examples as I think about it). They still went down well but the tinny guitar and thin production used to get on my nerves.
And I can't help but see a connection with new PE/Noise projects that bang on about being "filthy" and "dirty". I'm not complaining, just seeing a connection.
Thing is, people actually have a choice now. And faux "authenticity" is a choice. To be honest I don't mind.
I wouldn't go even to that far past. I think type of rawness has changed already within last 10-15 years.
Bands & recordings that were quite raw in late or at least mid 90's are often very different ways raw than current bands.
I think the energy of those years didn't need such big production... they were inventing something, I don't know if they felt it, but it just works...
I remember when I got The Business Suburban rebel LP, the LINK reissue and despite being recorded by a monkey probably, it had that sound that seemed loud even at low volume... something that I have been able to witness at their mid- 90's Reunion show in the mid in Belgium (notwithstanding the antifa/cops). When listening the more recent remastered cd rerelease it does not sound anything like that.
That's an example of a better recorded Oi! album. Interestingly, The Buisiness had a very smooth, almost poppy sound when they started as a band (try "Falling In Love With Strangers") and they actually made their sound more aggressive as they went on. The problem I think is a lot of band's live energy would have been well diluted in the studio. It was an issue with a lot of Aust. Metal groups in the Eighties - their long awaited album would come out and it would often just sound like crap. At the time you took it for granted.
And I would go back that's far because that's how far back I go. Others may even go further, others not. It all illustrates the same point.
EDIT - wait a minute, antifa against a Business gig?! Or were there other bands playing they didn't like?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh
Thing is, people actually have a choice now. And faux "authenticity" is a choice. To be honest I don't mind.
Fair enough, man. But I choose good hardcore bands over boring, uninspired ones. I spun the Collapse Society 7" again this morning and was wondering whether most of the "rawdistortcrasheryaddayadda" bands from the last 5 years have listened to it. On the side A's label, they wrote "500000 rpm." I want to see a US band that plays like that. I'm going to see Impalers tonight, hopefully they deliver (I don't like the sound on their records.)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 04, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
EDIT - wait a minute, antifa against a Business gig?! Or were there other bands playing they didn't like?
yes.
Mid 90's first reunion in Belgium was stopped by antifa pressures on police although the gig was apparently organized by sharp oriented skin (
not redskins, there was no rash back then, at least not as big as it became a few years later).
A few months later we get a second chance, so here we go and we book a van with a bunch of people from different Italian bands (Klasse Kriminale, Asociale, Alchoolnauti, etc.). We arrive on site and we find a group of German skin with very sad faces that the gig was stopped by the police for risk of "public disorder" but that were rumours of an alternative venue and there was a meeting point somewhere else in town. We reach the place and there are hundreds of skinheads and punks. At a certain point we move at little groups in a secluded venue I think belonging to a priest (!!!) and the gig was just fantastic with constant invasions on stage no fights despite the presence of different tendencies of skins (trads, ns, sharps).
Organizers told that antifa have been banging their bong drums since they didn't want skinheads in town.
Back then, for the media, being a skinhead was still automatically equal to be a nazi and things like this happened all the time despite Micky Fitz and friends never been political (and they had their share of problems with C18 if I am not mistaken) so most of the bands that were reforming in those days.
I don't know what kind of politics the Business lads would have had personally but at no stage do I recall them ever expressing any party line. They were always in the best British Oi! tradition of being for the working class before everything, for good or ill. As well has having some great songs. "The Real Enemy" is a classic.
In Melbourne skins wouldn't show up to punk gigs during the time I was a punk (Nineties) unless it was to cause trouble. Most of them didn't care much for the music and certainly not the message of most local bands, they just wanted to fight. I recall one night when Bastard Squad played and the vocalist, Jason, fed up with the agro, strode in and stopped it himself (he used to be a boxer), while guitarist Matt berated the crowd (from the safety of the stage it must be said) for letting dickheads start trouble in the first place. For the most part, though, I have to say that the great majority of gigs I went to were largely peaceful as long as the skins didn't show.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 04, 2015, 04:14:20 PMFair enough, man. But I choose good hardcore bands over boring, uninspired ones.
Certainly. I don't listen to a lot of punk bands these days so it's hard for me to discriminate, but I'm not too worried about it. I had a listen to that Impalers album this morning and have to admit I liked it, more like primate Metal to my ears. But I've got to admit, lately my tastes in distorted guitar music have been getting outright immature. So I'm probably not the best person to pick and choose.
How were they live, by the way?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 05, 2015, 03:35:18 AM
I don't know what kind of politics the Business lads would have had personally but at no stage do I recall them ever expressing any party line. They were always in the best British Oi! tradition of being for the working class before everything, for good or ill. As well has having some great songs. "The Real Enemy" is a classic.
totally agree on that... with cock sparrer, 4 skins and combat 84 my fave "classic" OI! band ever.
Combat 84's "Rapist" is great. When I first heard the lines "We need a stronger government/Bring back capital punishment!" I knew it was a hit. And it's a pretty damn catchy song.
Cock Sparrer has some rippers, too, especially "Watch Your Back" which is an anthem for me now. And this is just brilliant! -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkEEaoawRdc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkEEaoawRdc)
"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee looooove you/And we hope you're groovy too".
4 Skins also had some good ones. "I, I, I don't wanna/I don't wanna die/You can ask the reason why/And I will not tell a lie/I don't wanna die". And who could go past "I'm evil evil evil evil/Evil evil evil evil/EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL!"? Fucking poetry right there.
agree on everything
combat 84 set the landmarks for more "square" less rock and roll oriented oi! putting the base for French OI, a lo to rac, etch.
Cock sparrer were very influenced by the best glam around, although softer in the lot due to the melodic voice they were very powerful... just listen tom live and loud and yet, probably best singalong ever...
4 skins were probably the best of the lot (at least for me), any line up created masterpieces... from per-hardcore tracks like "one law for them", to the (too-much) covered Chaos, to semi ska tunes like Plastic Gangsters... and lyrics were really better than anything around those days...
The were a big influence on Italian Oi, although the sounds of Nabat, Rip Off, etc was much rougher (also due to the absence of proper studios) and we return to your first post on the subject.
the great thing about them and the few other great bands of those days is that despire playing a genre, they all were very different from each other... cockney rejects (who apart from a few masterpieces never were my favourite) were very different from cock sparrer, so business were from last resort. and all of them were able to write eternal songs...
Yea, they were pretty much setting the scene rather than copying it so they did have more of a distinct sound between bands. Cockney Rejects never appealed to me much either but I did like "I Am Not A Fool", pretty catchy song. I used to have the "Live And Loud" of them, they sounded like they had a pretty good time; "We are the fucking top johns and you all better like this one or you can fuck off", if I remember right.
Impalers were really rad. Loud and brutal as hell.
Same with Ajax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDERX0yf3AU
Glue Demo Tape
I wonder what Autsin people think of them, they may be a little conservative at heart and young, but they belt out the tunes on the next level
Full of Hell is my go to Hardcore/powerviolence band. I'd love it if more punk bands incorporated actual noise/PE into their music
These first two songs are such a great transition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6B7j4pdQok
Lots of excellent punk, postpunk, and hardcore in my town at the moment. Lots of crossover, shared gig lineups, and general shared interests in noise / industrial / experimental in the current manifestation of the punk scene. I've been participating in this stuff at varying levels for a while now (started going to shows in the early 80s, owned a record shop and helped organize / host shows through most of the 90s) and find it gratifying the current scene dovetails with my tastes for noise and industrial, old-school goth and deathrock, wild Japanese, South American, and Italian HC acts such as GISM, Wretched, Confuse, etc. A few selections:
Rubbish - classically orthodox and well-performed American hardcore:
https://rubbishboys.bandcamp.com/releases
Allergy - noisy, anarchic punk (new guitarist, who has a noise side project named Besito Negro, has upped the noise ante since this recording):
https://allergygainesville.bandcamp.com/releases
Vermin - stomping, Discharge-y stuff, currently touring:
https://youtu.be/b91VTJK7uCE
Exit Dust - sporting that great, watery guitar sound favord by old deathrock and peace punk acts such as Part 1:
https://exit-dust.bandcamp.com/releases
Cold Waste - drum machine driven, reminds me of Pornography-era Cure, maybe a little Lungs-era Big Black:
https://coldwaste.bandcamp.com/
Soda - dissonant, dark, and loopy postpunk:
https://youtu.be/xydrEBV28Bg
Suckle - chaotic synthpunk girl gang:
https://youtu.be/bWAr0IUDj6k
Widow & Children - punk stoner doom with early 90s style Ebullition proto-screamo vocals:
https://youtu.be/wk-LVU9q1fg
Waylon Thornton & Heavy Hands - prolific husband / wife duo into the Cramps, Beefheart, AC/DC, Half Japanese:
https://theheavyhands.bandcamp.com/
(Waylon and I have a project titled Camo, kind of a early industrial take on vintage slasher movie soundtracks: https://camo352.bandcamp.com/releases)
Post Teens - raging melodic hardcore a la classic Zero Boys, early Husker Du, Wipers, pre-Rollins Flag, etc:
https://youtu.be/ziwsa4NFBOY
Witch Titz - a more primitive / theatrical take on synthpunk girl gang by members of Suckle:
https://youtu.be/tBBD98H60GE
UVTV - garagey, noisey, reminds me a bit of 90s Too Pure band Faith Healers:
https://youtu.be/4ruSHSR7Fmw
Quote from: dubduboverlord on July 02, 2015, 09:43:56 PMWitch Titz - a more primitive / theatrical take on synthpunk girl gang by members of Suckle:
https://youtu.be/tBBD98H60GE
That was particularly terrible.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on July 13, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
Quote from: dubduboverlord on July 02, 2015, 09:43:56 PMWitch Titz - a more primitive / theatrical take on synthpunk girl gang by members of Suckle:
https://youtu.be/tBBD98H60GE
That was particularly terrible.
No argument there, but I love it nonetheless. Competency, taste, and good judgment are forever my enemies.
Fair enough, can't argue with that.
I have a long, weird, feelgood history with The 4 Skins - A Few 4 Skins More Volume 1 (a re-release of The Good, The Bad, and The 4 Skins & A Fistful of 4 Skins). While I'm deeply into hardcore and have been since a teen, some of the most loathed music I've heard in my entire life is of the punk variety. It created a nice boundary for not believing more is better. If I sensed something was going to be too punky, I kept far and clear of it. Other than this The 4 Skins, I've heard The Business a couple times (couldn't have told you what they were like) and possibly an Italian oi compilation. I'm told early Oi Polloi could loosely be in this oi category, but that never occurred to me. I like early Oi Polloi a bit, but they don't mean much to me until their Fuaim Catha (1999) album and to a much lesser extent, In Defence of Our Earth (1990). Always liked their lyrics and Pagan/hippie angle, but musically, until they got crunchy and crusty, they weren't memorable. Until recently, even though I really like those first The 4 Skins albums, I didn't wonder if there was anything else oi that I should hear. Now I'm curious. I'm looking for recommendations and leads. Anyone?
groups recommended so far that I'm not interested in: The Adicts, Oxymoron, Cockney Rejects, Cock Sparrer, Major Accident, Blitz, Camera Silens, Bombardiers.
from recent listening, I've liked:
The Business - Suburban Rebels
The Business - Saturday's Heroes
The Business - Singles & Rarities
The Ejected - A Touch of Class
The Last Resort - A Way of Life - why can't there be more like "Freedom"?
The Oppressed - Dead & Buried
That material from The Oppressed is great stuff. Earlier material that didn't rely so heavily on Moreno's RAR sympathies, consequently a lot nastier lyric wise ("Turn around and get stuck in/And kick that cunt to fuck fuck fuck fuck!"). Their first album, "Oi Oi Music", with the electronic drums, is probably the best one to get. "Magistrate! Magistrate! You're the cunt that we all hate! Maaaaagistraaaaate!". They were too heavily into doing cover songs, though - recall a later ep with covers songs with lyrics changed that was a bit naff.
It looks like you've got the essential of The 4 Skins - there aren't a lot of full length releases anyway, they seem to have released more compilations than full albums of original material - but you might be interested in "From Chaos To 1984" which is a live album with their later singer. Preferred the older one, myself. Liked the live stuff on "The Good etc." "I don't wanna die/You can ask the reason why/And I will not tell a lie/I don't wanna die (you do the way you're going out there!)". There's also an album from 2010 which I know nothing about.
I prefered Oi Polloi when they were Oi. I remember getting "No Compromise..." and even though I was into the politics at the time it did seem to come across as a bit too much anarcho-punk, especially all those talking bits and that stupid pie recipe song. For a while there they were to go-to band for releasing benefit singles for whatever was going at the time (their "Axe the Poll Tax" was bloody terrible).
Don't like Cock Sparrer? Fucking loved that "Shock Troops" album, but each to their own. Agree with you about The Addicts, though, never saw what anyone else saw in them.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on August 03, 2015, 04:01:32 AM
That material from The Oppressed is great stuff. Earlier material that didn't rely so heavily on Moreno's RAR sympathies, consequently a lot nastier lyric wise ("Turn around and get stuck in/And kick that cunt to fuck fuck fuck fuck!"). Their first album, "Oi Oi Music", with the electronic drums, is probably the best one to get. "Magistrate! Magistrate! You're the cunt that we all hate! Maaaaagistraaaaate!". They were too heavily into doing cover songs, though - recall a later ep with covers songs with lyrics changed that was a bit naff.
I can't stand the electronic drum sound on that first album. I modified my post above, because Fatal Blow also has that awful drum sound on the first couple of tracks.
Have you heard much of The Exploited? Their album "Horror Epics" also had electronic drums for some reason. One of their better albums, song wise. The Exploited were pretty good for the first few albums but ended up living off their own image, I think. That's okay, but not always my thing. By "they", of course I mean Wattie.
Funny, there was a time when every second punk had The Exploited on the back of their leathers, then they just fell from grace.
Como's best and only fat punk band are touring the west coast.
http://mag.livetrigger.com/2015/08/the-leeches-punk-rock-italian-heroes-ready-for-their-first-tour-in-usa.html
I did several sessions with them live on stage in several occasion and witnessed some amazing food fights.
Despite not being the most aggresive band around, they have a unique energy which made them one of the most important Italian punk rock bands.
If you dig into adolescents, angry samoans, etc, nonsense lyrics, horror references, and catchy singalong they could be your cup of tea. If you see them, say hi to them :)
They also did some sountracks for porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-KaHX8vY7Y
THE LEECHES , Heavyweight world champions of fat rock from Como Italy, are ready to conquer the U.S. West Coast this summer!!!
Here are all the shows:
8/13 Seattle, The Funhouse w/ Piston Ready / The Stuntmen and Torch Burner
8/14 Olympia, The Obsidian w/ Piston Ready and The STUNTMEN
8/15 Portland, The Panic Room w/ Piston Ready and The Lovesores
8/16 Grants Pass, The G Street bar and grill w/ Piston Ready, and guests
8/17 Ashland, Club 66 w/ T.B.A.
8/18 Off
8/19 Oakland, Leo's music w/ Dinosaurs
8/20 San Francisco, Hemlock tavern w/ Dinosaurs
8/21 off
8/22 Los Angeles, Redwood bar w/ the Hellions
8/23 San Diego (t.b.a.)
a couple of dates may change
www.theleeches.it
For me it would be stuff like Discharge, GISM, Siege, Black Flag, Confuse, Anti Cimex, Terveet Kädet, Olho Seco, Minor Threat, GG Allin, Amebix, The Germs, Grazhdanskaya Oborona, Tožibabe, Dead Kennedys, old Agnostic Front, Crossed Out, and Rupture.
As for RAC... Triebtäter, Macht & Ehre, Ovaltinees, Bound for Glory, Infantry, Public Enemy (the Paul Burnley one), Skullhead, Ethnic Cleansing, Open Season, and Intolleranza.
My background was more or less death metal so I first heard about noise from a Relapse newsletter someone showed me years ago.
Limp wrist a go go, not as brilliant as Los Crudos, but Martin knows how to kick asses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRk7vtQAjZo
is anybody here into japanese punk at all? GISM and Confuse were just mentioned so I thought I'd make this post about some of my favorite japanese bands
First up:
The Stalin. Fronted my Michiro Endo, he has tons of other projects but The Stalin will always be my favorite. Really ahead of its time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdFC7VJsjM
QP Crazy. Fronted by The Crazy SKB. had one of the previous guitarist of The Stalin at one point (not a lot of stuff on youttube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUmVQ1Th_A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6SApeIjqsg
Kyoaku Kyojindan (恐悪狂人団) The first band of The Crazy SKB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxGwjX8OaZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNaAK9T5XU4
The Swankys. Recently got into these guys. really good noise punk but sometimes they sound clean on some albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTSkw9sU928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bR4o9ZyV9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpeH-ihbidA
The Sadist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wErAVXHtD6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZfrxpYr7f8
I could go on and on. So many other bands that only released a 7" and maybe have a comp out. GHOUL, Tranquilizer, The Clay, The Sexual, Gudon.. so many others.
Quote from: a_2_g_2 on August 15, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
is anybody here into japanese punk at all? GISM and Confuse were just mentioned so I thought I'd make this post about some of my favorite japanese bands
Big fan of Japanese stuff!
Japanese SODOM are great:
Compilation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVZ6MaBPMMU
Album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdYmmkawmw8
ACID also great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYaYYibVr2A
LSD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrQ7QSg9OI
ZOUO!!!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavbNYSA8_s
SIEG HEIL!!!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnEBvPKKMdc
Other favourites: Gai, Confuse, Execute, Lip Cream, G.I.S.M, Ghoul, Kuro, Liberação, Death Side...there's loads more, got a shoe box at home with quite a few Jap bootlegs will have to dig out soon.
I'm a huge fan of Japanese hardcore punk as well but I always feel weird discussing it on messageboards. 98% of the time, people say they're fans of this stuff and their lists are the most random I've ever seen, and I can't help thinking they've been "fans" for three months thanks to Soulseek. While it's great they're getting into Japanese bands, I feel like this is one of the last scenes in which, same as noise, there's still lots to discover, and I don't really like to see it spread out there ready to consume through shitty Youtube rips when it took years of hard search and way too much money for a few dedicated hardcore maniacs to grab their hands on amazing and obscure recordings from bands nobody has heard about. I'm all for sharing music and knowledge, but not like that. And I'm not into Japanese bootlegs at all. Whenever some greedy Euro boots a Japanese record, 10 classic Japanese bands decide they won't reissue their material anymore.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on August 17, 2015, 04:32:44 PM
I'm a huge fan of Japanese hardcore punk as well but I always feel weird discussing it on messageboards. 98% of the time, people say they're fans of this stuff and their lists are the most random I've ever seen, and I can't help thinking they've been "fans" for three months thanks to Soulseek. While it's great they're getting into Japanese bands, I feel like this is one of the last scenes in which, same as noise, there's still lots to discover, and I don't really like to see it spread out there ready to consume through shitty Youtube rips when it took years of hard search and way too much money for a few dedicated hardcore maniacs to grab their hands on amazing and obscure recordings from bands nobody has heard about. I'm all for sharing music and knowledge, but not like that. And I'm not into Japanese bootlegs at all. Whenever some greedy Euro boots a Japanese record, 10 classic Japanese bands decide they won't reissue their material anymore.
Weird attitude mate. Personally my interest began a few years ago when some key 7"s got "fan club" reissues, LSD and ZOUO being the main ones - though I think the ZOUO were legit. Passing Japanese bootleg tapes/youtube links should not stop bands reissuing their stuff + I'm sure these are not made for profit. Besides that, most of us don't have £100's to spend on rare Japanese tapes/7" - not sure why you have problems with others wanting to learn more.
The Zouo records were on Crust War, so totally legit, yes. And Japanese punks see bootlegging, the sharing of MP3s, etc... in a totally different way from ours in general. There are also very strong cultural traits we're usually foreign to that get involved in the manners things have to be handled whenever one wants to deal with them, etc... There are reasons why many 90's classics have never been reissued, for instance. And I don't have problems with people wanting to learn more, I actually never do. But I do have problems with sharing stuff on websites some people use for dick contests with other people (like the posters whose only contributions are the same pictures in the different record scores threads on the various messageboards we all read. Fuck that shit.)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on August 03, 2015, 12:47:21 PM
Have you heard much of The Exploited? Their album "Horror Epics" also had electronic drums for some reason. One of their better albums, song wise. The Exploited were pretty good for the first few albums but ended up living off their own image, I think. That's okay, but not always my thing. By "they", of course I mean Wattie.
Funny, there was a time when every second punk had The Exploited on the back of their leathers, then they just fell from grace.
The later Beat The Bastards and especially Fuck The System are albums with a whole lot of thought put into them, much as Wattie may really enjoy playing the thick cunt to the press. FTS has incredible multilayered vocal overdubs and samples, a gabba influence and surprisingly thoughtful yet still foulmouthed words and ultra aggressive/nihilistic attitude. The guy (and his long-term bandmate and brother, the drummer Wullie) is a kind of artist, albeit a hugely self-effacing one. Just eight albums over 35 years and each of them unique and each of them pushing boundaries of music forward somehow. I like the Cockney Rejects and 4 Skins and The Business and Cock Sparrer fine but they've all turned into cliches or made awful false moves where The Exploited haven't. As real artists I'd now place The Exploited's output above their original rivals Crass to be honest. As moneymaking live performers they do what they have to do for the rent - 'Sex And Violence' every night - but the records are fucking amazing - hoping they can get the long-promised new one finished before long.
Uh oh. If there's one thing that puts me off it's this notion of being an "artist". The last thing I want to think of The Exploited as is a group of artists pushing the boundaries of music. When it comes to punk I like my brow as low as possible. Just the pure raw energy and fuck-off contempt, thanks. I could say the same for a lot of Noise and PE, with honourable exceptions.
It's probably just a matter of perception, though. Punk, for me, was always a kind of anti-music, or at least always with the notion that "anyone can do this so why the fuck aren't you?!". That was part of it's great attraction, that while in the wider realm of rock it was important to know how to play and sing and perform and the rest, here was something where you needed energy and impact first and foremost. I got up to about the "War Now" ep before I lost interest, "The Massacre" just didn't do anything for me. I've tried giving them a go every now and then but the impact is lost. If they are getting more careful in the studio that's probably why the sound is getting too clever for me to get into.
Exploited were my hate-pets for many years until I saw them and got to know and appreciate them in person and I have developed an obsession for some of their stuff.
Not all records are great in my opinion, yet the they really wrote some gems, even in recent times. will check out for this.
Personal recommendations -
Attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbms0-89ps
Wankers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXtfCmKk-94
Germs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSg6UIww-zQ
Jesus Is Dead - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvB07s7s3fo
Drug Squad Man - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qneZ_i5sI3A
Sexual Favours - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QA5Mw6o0Fc
Anti UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsOrLbt5haY
God Saved The Queen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mdZDn912dQ
My Life - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkptFmIwoEU
Dangerous Visions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpbkMh1plCo
You can see where my tastes lie. I always thought they were at their best with these mid paced, tribalistic type of songs.
Fuck, I'd forgotten how much I loved this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G16LxZOQD3Y
I've been listening to tons of DISCLOSE lately. Every record is a ripper.
Discharge - Never Again 1984 - the first thing I heard from Discharge.
Nuclear Assault - Game Over/The Plague - this has not aged well - I cannot deal with his voice.
Discharge - 83-11-24 Toronto AUD master - this is sort of a funny and unfortunate deal (I think a vinyl release of this is silly in the first place, but outside of that...). the guy who originally taped it releases a direct transfer in reaction to the vinyl release on Ugly Pop. while I get his point, a punk label really can't afford to stop a pressing near the end to go back and do it correctly. the ignorance of most people into music is also at play here. had a seasoned taper and trader got involved in this, one of their first moves would more than likely had been to track down the person who taped it. that's all part of the constant obsession with cutting down the lineage of the recording right to its source. it's taping/trading 101, but most people outside that world can't even imagine the basics. it's weird like that. and it is more often possible track down the taper than not, even with the most obscure shit. it's especially ridiculous in this instance because the taper is from Toronto, and I believe Ugly Pop is based in Toronto as well. you can read about it and grab it here: http://www.punktorrents.com/thread-154096.html (http://www.punktorrents.com/thread-154096.html)
and a couple of new Harley Flanagan/Cro-Mags(?) tracks (the lyrics are...):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64pU9uHU0vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259mV5xt1tQ
Hatred Surge has been on my "commuting playlist" for the past couple days.
I liked their split with The Endless Blockade so I decided to check the rest of their stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV3zgyrtFxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwGzMQNeWo
Love the occasional female "girly-ish" vocals.
Any good new powerviolence bands?
I go to tons of punk shows and am a fan of most of the current bands thatve been playing a lot but havent heard new good pv recently
Quote from: sick on September 19, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
Any good new powerviolence bands?
I go to tons of punk shows and am a fan of most of the current bands thatve been playing a lot but havent heard new good pv recently
I was coming here to post about the new Despise You tracks.
https://youtu.be/CGWZDpzKVzI
probably mentioned somewhere in this thread, and not brand new being from 2014, but this is good:
Cave State
http://cavestate.bandcamp.com/
more dynamic ranges for CDs. bonus tracks not included. Foobar plug-in.
Discharge:
Why (Clay 1989) - DR12
Why (Receiver 1998) - DR8
Why (Castle 2003) - DR?
Why (Captain Oi 2007) - DR6
HNSNSN (Clay 1989) - DR?
HNSNSN (Receiver 1998) - DR7
HNSNSN (Castle 2003) - DR5
HNSNSN (Captain Oi 2007) - DR?
Clay Singles CD - DR11
Punk and Destroy CD - DR12 *closest sound to the original Clay 7"s
Never Again CD - DR12
Quote from: sick on September 19, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
Any good new powerviolence bands?
I go to tons of punk shows and am a fan of most of the current bands thatve been playing a lot but havent heard new good pv recently
SFN was probably the last powerviolence band to deserve the name. The earliest Column of Heaven releases fall under that rubric as well, really excellent stuff. All of their material is mandatory. And I'd also have to recommend Full of Hell's "Rudiments of Mutilation" LP and the collab LP with Merzbow. Definitely some elements of powerviolence there, along with a lot more.
SFN were great. Sea of Shit. Gas Chamber. Iron Lung is forever. I still don't get why so many people love Full of Hell.
There's an argument that Urine Festival are a punk band and they're are noisey as all Hell.
But I seem to have missed the boat on that and it's all about power violence now... Maybe it always was.
Quote from: absurdexposition on September 30, 2015, 09:01:19 PM
I still don't get why so many people love Full of Hell.
I don't get why they have such an enormous following, but only I'm comparison to other bands who have a similar sound and no one pays them any attention. They are really great, I think that Merzbow collab was my favorite record of last year. I guess the fact that they tour constantly is something that really helps.
I also truly do not understand their name. But that's just me! I saw them twice recently and it was really incredible.
As far as new PV goes, there's a Canadian band called New Flesh that are great. A few demos and a split 7" and that's it. I think they're RIP at this point.
Not really powerviolence, but Triac is always great and underrated - they have a new split 7" with Sacridose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrOLnu3y44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrOLnu3y44)
Another underrated (imo) band is Transient, that LP is a ripper
https://transientbrutality.bandcamp.com/ (https://transientbrutality.bandcamp.com/)
And of course Dead In The Dirt if you like your grind with a huge His Hero Is Gone influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_0XSpcrf8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_0XSpcrf8)
Concerning Hatred Surge - Deconstruct is the best they ever did. Production and songwriting on that album is ace.
Not quite what I remember it as, still:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8chNaT1ogE
Elements of things that came from hardcore.
It has a total rejection of values (in a way that gore music or even pornogrind doesn't), it's like anti anarcho punk, not a productive type of punk, but a lot more liberating.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 06, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
As far as new PV goes, there's a Canadian band called New Flesh that are great. A few demos and a split 7" and that's it. I think they're RIP at this point.
Long dead. The guitarist lives in Montreal now and we're working on a project together. I can't seem to confirm it after a quick Google search but for some reason I keep thinking Martin from Vile Intent was involved in the band at some point.
I knew John Belushi was a fan of punk or, at least, a fan of FEAR but I have never seen the episode of 'Saturday Night Live' with the performance that resulted in $20,000 worth of damage (according to Wikipedia):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frud5RFtTi0
"Spheeris' documentary brought the band to the attention of John Belushi, who lobbied successfully to get the band a spot as a musical guest on the 1981 Halloween episode of his former show Saturday Night Live. Belushi had originally offered Fear the soundtrack for his major motion picture Neighbors. The film's producers eventually forced Fear off the project, and Belushi got them the infamous SNL gig as compensation. The band's appearance included a group of slamdancers, among them Belushi, Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat (and later Fugazi), Tesco Vee of The Meatmen, Harley Flanagan and John Joseph of the Cro-Mags, and John Brannon of Negative Approach. The show's director originally wanted to prevent the dancers from participating, so Belushi offered to be in the episode if the dancers were allowed to stay.[2] The end result was the shortening of Fear's appearance on TV. They started their second song by saying, "It's great to be in New Jersey", drawing boos from SNL's New York live audience. Fear played "I Don't Care About You", "Beef Bologna", "New York's Alright If You Like Saxophones", and started to play "Let's Have a War" when the telecast faded into commercial. The slamdancers left ripe pumpkin remains on the set. Cameras, a piano and other property were damaged.
After their SNL appearance, which resulted in $20,000 in damage, some clubs chose not to hire the band. A New York Post article later reported the figure to be $500,000. This is believed to have originated from Ving, who told the Post that "...we caused $500,000 worth of damage, a cool half a million dollars worth of damage, 'cause we're professionals, and I counted the damage myself."[4] Ving later told a television talk show host that The New York Post contacted him the next day to confirm accounts that it was rumored that the band was responsible for $10,000 worth of damage to the set and that he had replied that no, his band were professionals and that they had caused $400,000 worth of damage, that he had counted the damage himself. He admitted to the host that he had obviously inflated the figure but to his amazement, The Post printed that as being the actual figure"
For no good reason, I always assumed that Fear performance predated the Plasmatics on Fridays, but I was wrong. The Plasmatics were in January of '81. https://youtu.be/eW6UkZ2Fsgg
Every time I see a video of The Plasmatics I'm reminded how hard they ruled.
devastating
Harder, faster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txVhQlXgWsM
Horny ideas that clog up your brain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDDRGMqOz4o
Plasmatics Maggots underappreciated? I wonder how it has held up.
new Incudine
https://incudine.bandcamp.com/album/holy-parasite
a band of veterans (youngest is over 40 years old), with members of erode, crash box, monumentum, las crus, ecc.. they played in any band that counted in Milan fom the 80's onward.
Apparently, lead singer used to hang around with MB as kids!
Evolved hc, with many breaks, nihilist lyrics, and a cro mags feel.
love it
kaivosurma!
2 crazy brothers from ulvila/finland.... one of the best bands that "never happened", it lives mostly on recordings only, although they played at least 1 show some 10 yrs ago for a birthday thing or such... get the KS3000 minialbum download from here:
http://slode.com/kaivosurma/index.html
Rusted Shut are pretty fucking punk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KyqQf9BZo
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 20, 2015, 03:28:38 AM
Plasmatics Maggots underappreciated? I wonder how it has held up.
"Those now eating will soon be eaten."
One of my favourite albums - in fact, the first Plasmatics album I got. Burnt my brain first time I heard it. The Plasmatics themselves seem to have been forgotten these days, and "Maggots" was always their most ambitious and out-there album. Musically full Metal, lyrically sinister and the audio play is brilliant, original, well done and satisfyingly pessimistic. I don't own any other album like it. The concerns raised have become very contemporary and are getting worse. I think humanity would be better off perishing in the manner depicted in "Maggots" then what's actually happening to us.
Apartment 213's entire discography. It's like dropping into a country muddy road rut and riding it out until you hit solid ground. Don't bother fighting it. No escape. Go with it. '93-'97 discography CD, Cleveland Power Violence, /Nothing is Over 7", and the Domestic Power Violence split (the Agoraphobic Nosebleed tracks are great Man is the Bastard worship)...which probably means I'm about to go on a Man is the Bastard bender.
very very sad news
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/04/bad-brains-guitarist-dr-know-life-support-according-to-reports
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 04, 2015, 04:31:52 AM
Apartment 213's entire discography. It's like dropping into a country muddy road rut and riding it out until you hit solid ground. Don't bother fighting it. No escape. Go with it. '93-'97 discography CD, Cleveland Power Violence, /Nothing is Over 7", and the Domestic Power Violence split (the Agoraphobic Nosebleed tracks are great Man is the Bastard worship)...which probably means I'm about to go on a Man is the Bastard bender.
Apartment 213 are fucking awesome, some real crushing riffs on 93-97.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 04, 2015, 10:40:41 AM
very very sad news
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/04/bad-brains-guitarist-dr-know-life-support-according-to-reports
"Rock For Light"'s a fucking great album (minus the reggae wanks), and I still very much like "I Against I", but I stopped keeping up after that.
New Discharge track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGTzVUmEhE
Not sure if I really like it to be honest. Listened to it a couple of times and am now listening to Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing and feel far more at ease!
well, they were a joke since the very beginning, but at least delivered superb hardcore.
when the second cd came out I was so disappointed.
Posting some good noise/blackened noise punk.
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(http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/horrid-cross-demo-i.jpeg)
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Played with this band in the forming days. This the record they released a few months after we went for different paths (and I started Wertham)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8PzgylHmM
this is them in the latest incarnation during the reunion tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pXBUCqR7uQ
So Marco, which glorious communist comrade leader were you?
In the meantime, thanks to Fucked By Noise (http://fuckedbynoise.blogspot.com.au/) I'm getting off to The Homopolice (http://fuckedbynoise.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/the-homopolice-discography.html).
ahah I wish! my life would have been much easier that with PE!!
beside jokes, the band turned militant after we parted ways. we are still good friends after many years despite some tensions after we split, that are normal in even the best friendships.
bassist/singer plays in incudine now, and the drummer runs this vinyl shop: https://www.facebook.com/Alta-Fedelt%C3%A0-Como-241715456027458/?fref=ts
new close shave 7" on its way.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_VmUat3WYA&feature=youtu.be one of my favourite oi bands ever
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 09, 2015, 05:36:03 PM
Played with this band in the forming days. This the record they released a few months after we went for different paths (and I started Wertham)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8PzgylHmM
this is them in the latest incarnation during the reunion tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pXBUCqR7uQ
there's a nice pic of you and the band very young in "ITALIA SKINHEAD la discografia in vinile 1982-2007" book.
yeah!
it was written by a good friend of mine who lives here in Como :)
I like it mechanical
NOMEANSNO - Sex Is Philosophy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAY3DYUDAp8)
Pittsburgh, baby!
http://concealedblade.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2015 (http://concealedblade.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2015)
"Wage Slave/Social Suicidal" live:
https://youtu.be/b1qz4rX4OXE (https://youtu.be/b1qz4rX4OXE)
Ahhh... No Trend: Too many (fucking) humans. After all these years... well, decades... it makes me still smile. Truly fucked up and a weird sense of humor. Outsiders of their era and scene when everybody was trying to play hardcore.
Anyone familiar with VILE from Boston?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVWnW4WEP0
There was an exact replica, official Vile reissue a few years ago (which probably means 10+ years ago because I suck at time). Great album.
IIRC that Vile LP was available for pre-order in 2002 and actually came out in 2004 after a billion delays. I remember when it showed up I couldn't believe it.....
I've been loving local noise punk weirdos PIG DNA lately. Just fukking perfect. Their latest is a 12" on the excellent La Vida Es Un Mus label.
http://lavidaesunmus.bandcamp.com/album/mob-shity-mlp (http://lavidaesunmus.bandcamp.com/album/mob-shity-mlp)
Blogged and Quartered wrote and compiled a really nice entry at the end of December about Stinkweed. Lots of good stuff I hadn't heard. http://bloggedquartered.blogspot.com/2015/12/my-tribute-to-stinkweed.html
Torture Unit is some of the best old schoolish HC I've heard in a while. New to me.
and I'm working my way through a bunch of the stuff here that I hadn't heard: http://westbaykoalition.bandcamp.com/music
relistened husker dü.
I am so missing them
Discharge Discharge Discharge bender all day. Holy shit sometimes I go too long without hearing a certain classic thing, been too long! Will morph into Varukers/Disorder/Confuse then turn around to Larm/Pandemonium/BGT by next week....
Quote from: holy ghost on February 04, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
Discharge Discharge Discharge bender all day. Holy shit sometimes I go too long without hearing a certain classic thing, been too long! Will morph into Varukers/Disorder/Confuse then turn around to Larm/Pandemonium/BGT by next week....
Listening runs are a fun deal. They're getting to be the best way for me to absorb and enjoy music. I'm in the middle of a Danzig/Samhain/Misfits marathon right now. Digging deep into the box sets and collections for the different versions.
Samhain > Static Age/Legacy of Brutality > Earth A.D./Wolfs Blood > II > I > III > 4 *with a few things missing from this list
Not sure if someone already mentioned it, but PRESSING ON's demo from last year was easily one of the best hardcore releases of 2015. Now it's been repressed on vinyl thanks to Even Worse Records (Europe) and Deranged Records (US). Amazing band.
https://derangedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/no-defeat-no-capitulation
Quote from: Stridulum on February 04, 2016, 11:23:56 PM
Not sure if someone already mentioned it, but PRESSING ON's demo from last year was easily one of the best hardcore releases of 2015. Now it's been repressed on vinyl thanks to Even Worse Records (Europe) and Deranged Records (US). Amazing band.
https://derangedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/no-defeat-no-capitulation
Definitely a good one. Neat nuance of NYHC in the vocals and singalongs. I didn't know it got pressed to record.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 04, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: Stridulum on February 04, 2016, 11:23:56 PM
Not sure if someone already mentioned it, but PRESSING ON's demo from last year was easily one of the best hardcore releases of 2015. Now it's been repressed on vinyl thanks to Even Worse Records (Europe) and Deranged Records (US). Amazing band.
https://derangedrecords.bandcamp.com/album/no-defeat-no-capitulation
Neat nuance of NYHC in the vocals and singalongs.
Spot on! To me this aspect is very well balanced, they don't overdo it, and is much enjoyable.
Can anyone suggest any reliable distros for this raw crust kind of stuff? Looking for a few records and the shit Canadian dollar means I have to be pretty picky about where I order from. Havoc is great, but looking for other options.
Quote from: holy ghost on February 05, 2016, 09:06:04 PM
Can anyone suggest any reliable distros for this raw crust kind of stuff? Looking for a few records and the shit Canadian dollar means I have to be pretty picky about where I order from. Havoc is great, but looking for other options.
Hey - if i recall correctly a member of the band S.H.I.T. (good stuff ! https://whatwedoissecrete.bandcamp.com/track/eraser-ii)
opened a record shop in Toronto. Maybe they do mailorder as well ?
https://www.facebook.com/faithvoidshop/
Don't really know of too much Canadian distros otherwise..
Quote from: urall on February 12, 2016, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: holy ghost on February 05, 2016, 09:06:04 PM
Can anyone suggest any reliable distros for this raw crust kind of stuff? Looking for a few records and the shit Canadian dollar means I have to be pretty picky about where I order from. Havoc is great, but looking for other options.
Hey - if i recall correctly a member of the band S.H.I.T. (good stuff ! https://whatwedoissecrete.bandcamp.com/track/eraser-ii)
opened a record shop in Toronto. Maybe they do mailorder as well ?
https://www.facebook.com/faithvoidshop/
Don't really know of too much Canadian distros otherwise..
Yeah, I've been in there. He's going to do some local ordering for me. Great store!!
Been hitting the Cimex real hard lately. The bass playing on Victims of a Bombraid is totally sick.
I'm going to revisit Gloom and Disclose over the weekend. It's been a while since I've gone through heir stuff.
Got the latest Condition 12" and been spinning it a couple of times. Great stuff, but the ep's sounded better (more bass heavy).
https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/actual-hell-lp-lungs-067
I use to play with their singer in an old hc band, then he formed death ambient combo CORPOPARASSITA
https://roguestate.bandcamp.com/album/playing-with-john-doe
and on a different note, great come back from ex members of Have Heart, who indeed sounds like an angrier version of them 4th track is pure perfection
https://freehc.bandcamp.com/releases
The new Total Abuse album "Excluded" is total catharsis in the vein of Brainbombs, Rectal Hygienics, and Sexdrome. Highly, highly, highly recommended.
Going to see Infest tonight in Amsterdam..
FUCK!!!
That would be worth a kidney!!!
Total classic, Slave was a complete masterpiece.
Quote from: impulsemanslaughter on February 27, 2016, 11:28:37 AM
Going to see Infest tonight in Amsterdam..
i wanted to see Revenge, Blasphemy and Angelcorpse more at the NDF than that. Still don't regret it!
But i heard (and saw the pics) that it was awesome.
I'm someone who is constantly fiending for power-violence. This Iron Lung 7" is a force.
https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/savagery-7-lungs-058
Listening to the AnB/Despise You split today. Despise You...even at half-mast, this band rips better HC/thrash than just about anybody. Death metal riffing is a little more evident on these songs, and the songs aren't just blazing one-minuters. Nevertheless, this is still some great HC. I should know this, but is the guitarist in another band, like Excruciating Terror? These songs definitely have a different vibe than the 90's band. I'm into it. No complaints. (the only band to have ever really done "Couch Slouch" any justice)
https://agoraphobicnosebleed.bandcamp.com/album/and-on-and-on
It's kind of weird that Agoraphobic Nosebleed is a band for split hire, or so it seems. Strange that they do these big splits and take on the personality of the other group on the split. They do a split with Despise You, and they alter their shit to sound in line with Despise You. Same goes for their split with Apartment 213, which I liked a lot. I haven't heard a couple of their other Relapse splits, so maybe this isn't their regular MO? Anyone else left with this impression? If I'm right, it's an odd role. Kind of interesting, too. The Relapse house band ready, and capable, of taking on whatever style ordered. (and they do a darn good Man is the Bastard, too)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 02, 2016, 02:35:25 AMAgoraphobic Nosebleed
I'd be cool if they just went back to their demo era sound, no?
A band I have not listened to in a long, long, long while. Their entire aesthetic now seems a bit too colorful for my taste.
While on the Despise You split, those are indeed some amazing songs on there. From DY alone. I feel like that should be made clear, the distinction between the material on one side and the other. Bands should chose to do splits with artists of a relatively similar caliber.
Lack Of Interest tracks from the Bastard Noise split are also really strong. I hope these bands can offer some new album length recordings with the same energy.
Quote from: Mikerdeath on March 02, 2016, 03:17:20 AM
I feel like that should be made clear, the distinction between the material on one side and the other. Bands should chose to do splits with artists of a relatively similar caliber.
If you can't readily distinguish between the two, doesn't that indicate they are of similar caliber? I think DxYx are superior, but I also think AnB holds their own well enough.
Quote from: Mikerdeath on March 02, 2016, 03:17:20 AM
Lack Of Interest tracks from the Bastard Noise split are also really strong. I hope these bands can offer some new album length recordings with the same energy.
I just listened to this. The LoI tracks are strange insofar as the vocals being heavily influenced by NYHC, and the music being busy in the realm of Converge, Jesuit, and the like. I like the LoI tracks, but they're definitely a different animal than in the past.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 02, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
https://agoraphobicnosebleed.bandcamp.com/album/and-on-and-on
It's kind of weird that Agoraphobic Nosebleed is a band for split hire, or so it seems. Strange that they do these big splits and take on the personality of the other group on the split. They do a split with Despise You, and they alter their shit to sound in line with Despise You. Same goes for their split with Apartment 213, which I liked a lot. I haven't heard a couple of their other Relapse splits, so maybe this isn't their regular MO? Anyone else left with this impression? If I'm right, it's an odd role. Kind of interesting, too. The Relapse house band ready, and capable, of taking on whatever style ordered. (and they do a darn good Man is the Bastard, too)
This is accurate especially since 2008-2009 era. I dont even know if you can say ANb has a signature sound anymore. Every release, even their non split material, seems to change style regularly. I feel like they did the balls out cybergrind best, but theres some gold sprinkled through the past 7 years. I was actually quite fond of the more "song" oriented style of Agorapocalypse. Steve Hull knows how to write some strong riffs when he wants
Mellakka - R.I.P (Recordings 1984 - 1986)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKZMp7n_soQ
I like true Finnish hardcore sound.
Quote from: Mikerdeath on March 22, 2016, 08:10:13 PM
Mellakka - R.I.P (Recordings 1984 - 1986)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKZMp7n_soQ
I like true Finnish hardcore sound.
Oh man that comp is great. You just reminded me to pull it out again! Thats first song is fucking gold. A whole lot better than anything Riistetyt has ever done imo
Played with this band last weekend, really good stuff imo. Love the talkety vocals.
https://snoblondon.bandcamp.com/album/s-t-7-2
been really enjoying VX Gas Attack - Political Subterfuge cassette from 2014. very fast paced d-beat/crust with dive bombing guitar solos. immediately made me think of Nailgunner's Apocalypse. Now or Never album, but with an undercurrent of Pacific Northwest punk sound. i just love that it's short, relentless and to the point. shit, this release could really be listed in the metal thread too. https://vxgasattackpdx.bandcamp.com/ (https://vxgasattackpdx.bandcamp.com/)
some of the members are also in the grind band Pleasure Cross who put out a solid and similarly relentless demo cassette in 2013. been re-listening to that one and i think it stands alone quite nicely.
a fucking awesome, but unfortunately incomplete soundboard recording of a 1993 Disrupt show
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=557011 (http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=557011)
an A- recording and powerful, smoking show. my expectations for sound quality weren't much, but it sounds really good. good mix. good levels. if it was somewhat normal for them to tape their shows, this makes me want to hear a lot more of them. HIGHLY recommended.
*sounds better than some of their EPs
www.soundcloud.com/knife-vision
Great label out of Columbus, OH USA. Providing mostly punk and hardcore of a particularly hateful variety, leaning often times towards the black metal end of the spectrum, if that even makes sense. The occasional Goth/post-punk or industrial release pops up now and then too.
With checking out. The malphas, slave house, and vacuous tracks on the soundcloud are definite repeaters.
Not a huge hardcore fan but I do really like some of it where it feels right. I highly suggest the northwest Indiana scene. Ooze ruled.
These are FLAC files.
Band: G.I.S.M.
Date: 2016.April.15
Location: Roadburn Festival (Day 2), Tilburg, Netherlands
309mb
in two parts:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/vsxrsl
https://www.sendspace.com/file/d333lg
GISM show was 10 minutes from my house.. Show sold out and i didn't get a ticket.
GISM has sucked for 25 years anyway. That's like when Judgement or Bastard played Chaos In Tejas and everybody was saying it was the best thing they had ever seen and a few years later they're all revising their opinions. The truth is that those bands have all sucked since they broke up (well, I think Judgement's CD sucked as well anyway) but people need to pretend or be there or something so they can feel important.
I was a punker back in the early 80's.
Back then it was in my opinion a much more visceral experience and a lot less genre regimented.
I fondly remember going to shows with bands like post punk Scratch Acid, necro-metal Graveyard Rodeo and thrash punk Corrosion of Conformity often on the same bill.
Punk shows, at least in the deep south, were sometimes very violent. There were also people shooting up in plain sight, and having sex in the bathrooms. It was not a safe, PC or accessible thing.
A few times I was part of some collective spaces, where we would have a 'punk night' and an 'other night'. The former was where you have bands like Thinking Fellers or Caroliner playing for a small but still black clad punk rock audience.
At some point the arty, strange and experimental was asked to leave and punk/HC just became a bunch of loud music and drinking. Really not so different than going to a Van Halen show. Very mundane.
I do not think that todays punk scene is very adventurous. To be frank the last few times I have been dragged out to a punk show I have regretted it and usually pulled an Irish goodbye before the 3rd band was up.
You'd think with Trump and Clinton on the ticket this would inspire some actually cool new US hardcore, maybe it's out there but I'm hearing none of it (save for a few of the dis-clones out there), I'm on a DRI bender today and I've been thinking about how in a lot of ways we're closer to the early 80's than we ever were in the 90's when I bought all those 7"s. Threat of nuclear war, tensions with Russia, riots, gross racial injustice..... I guess now the protest is selfie sticks at shows, those precious punks could get hurt rioting or maybe tear the $50 disclose shirt they bought on etsy.... I know right, how much more cliche could one get?
I think there's a matter of personal perspective. I can't blame people for talking about "the good old days" when they were involved since they were probably having a great time getting involved and being enthusiastic. But holding that experience up to any punk scene today leaves out a lot of context.
For mine, I have to admit that the punk scene I was involved in was, for the most part, utter crap, and a lot of that was because of my own mistaken impression of the whole thing. Naivety on my part. Most of the bands were rubbish (if anyone is tempted to buy a double compilation album called "The Not So Lucky Country", take my advice and don't, unless you're academically interested in how bloody terrible an entire nation's punk scene can sound), most of the punks were just bogans with funny hair cuts. Not a lot of sus of any kind, let alone political.
But that's okay. I had different expectations and that was my fault. There's nothing wrong with punks now being middle-class wankers with expensive t-shirts, because it doesn't matter. Punk has got to be one of the most nostalgic genres of music around, with all the emphasis on what happened then as opposed to now. But don't get me wrong about that - that's fine. The truth is, all the protest and anger in the world isn't going to stop it from going down the toilet to its well deserved destruction. These days I've got more respect for shooting up in the bogs or posing at the bar then taking it to the streets. It's still bullshit, but at least it isn't pretending that life can be anything else.
Quote from: holy ghost on June 10, 2016, 02:44:51 AM
You'd think with Trump and Clinton on the ticket this would inspire some actually cool new US hardcore, maybe it's out there but I'm hearing none of it (save for a few of the dis-clones out there), I'm on a DRI bender today and I've been thinking about how in a lot of ways we're closer to the early 80's than we ever were in the 90's when I bought all those 7"s. Threat of nuclear war, tensions with Russia, riots, gross racial injustice..... I guess now the protest is selfie sticks at shows, those precious punks could get hurt rioting or maybe tear the $50 disclose shirt they bought on etsy.... I know right, how much more cliche could one get?
I reckon Brujeria's 'Viva Presidente Trump!' is the best response to Trump I've come across so far. Not strictly hardcore I guess, but definitely in the mold of jocular 80s hardcore dipshit responses to the Reagan era. Fucking hilarious, vitriolic and impotent as ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJzMzW3kuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJzMzW3kuY)
I think people, even kids, kind of actually cared back then. The Cold War felt real. Everyone sold it well. Everyone felt in it. Does anyone in the USA give a fuck about anything anymore? That's not really rhetorical. I question that all the time with genuine curiosity. Our political system plays into the lowest common denominators. I might be biting into a load of shit with all this, but a great percentage of the Trump and Sanders supporters strike me as rebels without a cause. They just want to break the system at any cost. No idealism or rational drive. Children and a reaction. Who knows? Maybe burning it all down at any expense would create something better, but I'm doubting those same people are willing to be the collateral damage to a fix. I got news for them: there would be, and they likely would be it. "Change is going to cost me something? It's not just the puerile fun of voting for a Third World-like lunatic and egomaniac to prove a point I never had?"
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 10, 2016, 10:53:08 PM
I think people, even kids, kind of actually cared back then
I got into hc in the 90's, and I
distinctly remember caring about stuff. But it seems like the philosophy in the 90's was "think globally, act locally" which I much prefer to the "fuck everything" kind of attitude I see today (granted my interactions with the punk scene today are pretty much limited to online and the occasional show). I dunno, I'm Canadian, if I was living in the US I wouldn't even know where to start. It's truly the most baffling country out there. I'd kind of forgotten how different it is until I went to Boston last year. Machine gun toting national guard, homeless veterans everywhere, 'MURICA just shoved down your throat, beer in the 7-11, Dunkin' Donuts coffee (okay the last two are good). Everyone is hella friendly though.
I just signed up for Facebook a few months ago and have reconnected with a few friends I hadn't seen in 15+ years and it's interesting how virtually none of them have taken a conventional path through life. Virtually all of them are doing something socially relevant/conscious with their lives. Barely anyone has decided to breed. It's pretty cool to see. No one decided to get fucking boring and work as an accountant and push a stroller around.
Quote from: holy ghost on June 10, 2016, 02:44:51 AM
You'd think with Trump and Clinton on the ticket this would inspire some actually cool new US hardcore.
At least it means that some good old HC has finally made it big. With Trump the US will finally have a One Life Crew inspired presidency!
I think it is a good point that punk/hc in the 70's and 80's was happening in the now. It was not nostalgic or precious.
Over the intervening years it has devolved into a subculture no more significant than deadheads, ravers or any other identity costume.
Funny thing I noticed about pictures of old punk shows. Look at the audience. They didnt look very punk.
I dont know what really killed it. But it seems like it was a combination of the personal/political stuff which kind of crested with the whole riot grrl thing. Followed by pop punk blowing up top 40 in 92-94.
That caused the still existing punks to kind of reject anything remotely like Green Day. But they kept on with the hot topic nonsense.
I'd like to think that current political apocalypses could inspire a new wave of punk style stuff. But I doubt it would be done with guitars, drums and other such old fashioned gear. Kids these days are more likely to use synths, laptops and other DJ gear.
Quote from: holy ghost on June 11, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
I just signed up for Facebook a few months ago and have reconnected with a few friends I hadn't seen in 15+ years and it's interesting how virtually none of them have taken a conventional path through life. Virtually all of them are doing something socially relevant/conscious with their lives. Barely anyone has decided to breed. It's pretty cool to see. No one decided to get fucking boring and work as an accountant and push a stroller around.
That's mostly been my experience as well. It's interesting and AWESOME. I don't know if it is simply because the wounds from the 80s and 90s left huge keloid scars that permanently changed how we operate. And if its the new corporate model of ever-changing, planned obsolescence philosophy to the extreme, and the playing out of Wall Street numbing and shallowing reactions being so subversive with so little trace that it leaves everyone confused and zombie-like that it basically has become a new natural state of being. It's strange, almost overnight, how we went from being affected to being unaffected. From pissed off and aware to emotionless and disinterested. The corporations finally got their wishes granted, and the consequences have been beyond anyone's expectations.
I've been surprised for a while now how I've seen so little reaction to terrorism and the state reactions to terrorism in punk (or any music really). Without taking a side, there are mounds of ethical and moral darkness that would've been addressed in the 80s and 90s. Crass and DxRxIx would have written entire albums about these things. Punk had become passive a long time ago, right along with the rest of our culture. It's always been a mirror from a different perspective. I doubt Trump nonsense is powerful enough to jostle any of it out of its slumber.
judging by the people I still know in punk circles, they are much more about drinking and drug abuse than social commentary.
When I got into punk rock in the mid-'80s, everyone was so busy with volunteer work and donating to charities, that they didn't have any money left for safety pins, hair dye, combat boots, tattoos, 7"'s, or beer.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 12, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
It's strange, almost overnight, how we went from being affected to being unaffected. From pissed off and aware to emotionless and disinterested.
That's just burning out. I've been through that myself. There's only so much energy you can direct at "The Man" before you realise that it's all being wasted. Most people of course go the normal direction, but that's less to do with giving into the system than giving into normal human instincts.
Punk's obviously had its time as the go-to protest generation, but its had it's impact. The kind of right-on snark I used to read in "Maximum Rocknroll" I now read in the opinion columns of "The Guardian". I recall MRR's guidelines for interviewing bands. One bit said that if people in a band were saying things that were regarded as offensive, "call them out on it". A few decades later and we have so-called "call out culture" online all over fucking Twitter and other social media. Whether that's directly related or not, the righteous have a lot more platform and social acceptability than they did when all they had was zines and leaflets.
Anyone know anything about the Tuscon band, Sex Prisoner? Are they a Brainbombs or power-electronics informed power-violence band?
https://sexprisoner.bandcamp.com/album/s-t
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 14, 2016, 06:50:25 PM
Anyone know anything about the Tuscon band, Sex Prisoner? Are they a Brainbombs or power-electronics informed power-violence band?
https://sexprisoner.bandcamp.com/album/s-t
band kicks ass. total 90s PV worship and probably the only band doing that style to actually sound fucking heavy
Quote from: poserspotted on June 14, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 14, 2016, 06:50:25 PM
Anyone know anything about the Tuscon band, Sex Prisoner? Are they a Brainbombs or power-electronics informed power-violence band?
https://sexprisoner.bandcamp.com/album/s-t
band kicks ass. total 90s PV worship and probably the only band doing that style to actually sound fucking heavy
Probably the best newer PV band to my ears: https://cavestate.bandcamp.com/
RIXE, best current oi!-band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnNpmq957oo
Will see them live next week in Amsterdam!
Also, for this who care: SIEGE reunited and are playing a festival in October..
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on June 14, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
RIXE, best current oi!-band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnNpmq957oo
Will see them live next week in Amsterdam!
HAHAHAHA. I disagree. But I mean, there's been an endless debate about them in the entire French punk scene for months now.
I dunno I can listen to some Chelsea, Angelic Upstarts 4Skins or some other band contemporary to them. But listening to current Oi I get kind of a flat feeling. Its much the same as current punk hardcore bands. Way past derivative. They don't even know the provenance of the tropes they are flogging.
Though at least the OI bands aren't turning into fucking juggallos like the punks seem to be doing lately.
And geez, going to one of these revival/reunion shows is kind of sick. I guess it is nice to see old geezers I haven't seen in 15 or 30 years. But most of the time it just reminds me of all the Skinhead violence/ARA shit. "hey didn't me and my buddies beat the shit out of you and knock your teeth out?"
I'm way too old for any of that. Heck a hearty pat on the back and I'd spit out a molar or two.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 20, 2016, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on June 14, 2016, 11:07:13 PM
RIXE, best current oi!-band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnNpmq957oo
Will see them live next week in Amsterdam!
HAHAHAHA. I disagree. But I mean, there's been an endless debate about them in the entire French punk scene for months now.
What's the debate about? I'm not an oi!-fanatic, just think their first 7" is ace! Of the current wave of bands i also like Crown Court, Vanity & Last Crusade..
Really liked the Nerfs A Vif 7" I have heard on line recently. Wattie's Lion's Law have been among my favorite in the past few years, finely arranged oi! with great singalong. I would have loved to listen to the same songs in French, same as he does in Maraboots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7POixg4rvI
I have grown up listening many French oi bands, most of which has always been superb. Komintern Sect, Snix, Skinkorps, Warrior Kids, RAS, Evil Skin, Anti Patik (singer now plays in Lion's Law and Hard Times), The Herberts, Camera Silens, etc.
Any now and then they still deliver the goods. I really like the label Bords de Seine, good rooster and great reissues.
Good compilation that gives a wide overview of what was going on in the early days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNy3wwv4TP0
Brutal Combat was the best buyed the Charle Martel lp in 88 or 89 was blow away how hard it sounded big + is im from Quebec and we talk french here so i understand all what the lyrics was about that was the good old time back then it was pure bliss
They were the French answer Combat 84! They have been very influential also on many Italian OI/Rac bands.
Canada has quite a few glorious names itself: Vacant Lot, Trouble Makers and now Legitime Violence.
I hate Oi and I hate RAC and all the Chaos En France and alterno bands have really shitty lyrics in general. Why does one want to listen to shitty punk when they have Wretched or Crass ruling the scene in their own countries? I'll never get it.
LOL!
you are funny.
Had my share of wretched back in the days - and met some of them several times -. Gianluca (Bassist from in contro luce 7") was from my area, top notch guy and was also in Disper-Azione which was the first hc band I ever listened to (the singer's wife was my neighbour, and his brother in law was hanging around with me as a kid).
Wretched recently rereleased several things (also nice shirts).
Anywaym I much prefer OI/street punk than Italo-hc -which anyway was good, but I prefer slow stuff with plenty of singalong, with smarter aesthetic and street credibility.
Italo-hc lasted very few years and despite its importance (and quality) it ended pretty soon, so...
Regarding Crass, I only enjoy the first record, the rest has good layouts, but not my cup of tea. Never been into the whole anarcho-punk / crusty thing. A few good projects, but not for me.
I really dislike slower punk material in general, unless it gets moody. And it's interesting to see how we give credibility to totally different things. Street punk doesn't have any "street credibility" to me, let even "smart aesthetics."
Disper-Azione's first EP is awesome.
it is - as usual - a matter of tastes
well, considering most people playing street punk back in the days lived in the streets and not in universities as most anarco-punks, I think it did, at least according to my personal experience and lifestyle :) this does not mean mean i consider them "cooler", it was just the way it was when I was growing up.
there were exceptions of course.... see the notorious "feaud" between Rome (Bloody riot) and Milan (Virus). BUt I lived the very end of that period. I was "second generation" eheh
disper-azione.
there was also an amazing demo tape with different version of some their classics, that sounded more like wretched and didn't have that weird drum sound of the cult 7".
Gianluca, the bassist formed JINX, a very powerful noise-rock project that toured with Unsane. Definitely one of loudest Italian bands ever, although records (and videos) fail to capture their strength.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXMjbekgxzE. we shared drummer for a while, I think he should have kept playing with them!
I am sure you are fond of Nerorgasmo/Blue Vomit, aren't you? The collections released in the past few years were amazing,
I love Wretched, Negation, Raw Power and early Italian hardcore in general!
Quote from: Peterson on June 22, 2016, 08:14:13 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 22, 2016, 11:16:15 AM
Regarding Crass, I only enjoy the first record, the rest has good layouts, but not my cup of tea. Never been into the whole anarcho-punk / crusty thing. A few good projects, but not for me.
Another one I like is Discharge, up to the silly hair metal shit...but that was just the times (look at SSD and TSOL). Always thought they were good crusty stuff with a brutal, heavy sound, always thought the short slogans for lyrics worked really well for their left-wing stance. And, although there's the whole "D-Beat" style, nobody quite matched them. Anti-Cimex from Sweden were always considered D-Beat as well, but I never saw much similarity between them and Discharge.
early discharge, conflict, etc. were epic. much more violent/in your face than crass.
I wish Disclose had done like a 7-minute version of "The More I See". Shit is heavy, but with the right band and ear, someone could turn this into such a monstrous crusher. The Japanese band Final Bombs can make a decent argument for Grave New World not being as bad as it once seemed.
haha! I was at a party for the first time in ages last new years eve and someone played the hair metal Discharge album, it immediately prompted me to ask what the fuck?! I'd never heard it before and was thoroughly drunkenly amused by the record, and the band picture, for the remainder of the evening. Perhaps it was because I was drunk but the vocals almost reminded me of King Diamond and some of the songs themselves weren't too bad, but maybe that was the alcohol and vagina chasing talking.
Melllakka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKZMp7n_soQ
Rattus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71kCHTZBlFs
this has been a lot of my listening lately
I wish Dissober had covered the entire Grave New World album the d-beat way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phz0c8UzvaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pXBUCqR7uQ
Man, those stupid boundaries between the punters and the band. Is that the standard now at European gigs? I wouldn't be surprised if it was down here too, I just don't get out a lot. But, fuck...how's a cunt meant to stage dive with that shit in the way?!
in Italy is standard only for big gigs. despite the stage looks small, this is quite a big festival in a big venue with some hundreds of people. smaller venue/squats usually have no such problems.
anyway I understand that, and this was one of the reasons I always attended gigs in Switzerland and Germany. if the gig was not in a squat (which was often the case of hc/ny bands, etc), they ended up playing in (often too) big metal venues, and it sucked...
last gigs from negative approach, agnostic front, etc. were all like this, and add beefy bouncers, etc. fuck that
Here is some of my taste.
Kriegshög - Kriegshög LP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ei55WGeZXo
Brainbombs - Stupid And Weak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7I37YbTjyM
QUTTINIRPAAQ : Stork
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwdqVSba4tw
Rectal Hygienics - Addicted To Filth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLjPfPew08
totally in love with most of the To Live a Lie rooster. Impulse, Beartrap, etc.
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 29, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
in Italy is standard only for big gigs. despite the stage looks small, this is quite a big festival in a big venue with some hundreds of people. smaller venue/squats usually have no such problems.
anyway I understand that, and this was one of the reasons I always attended gigs in Switzerland and Germany. if the gig was not in a squat (which was often the case of hc/ny bands, etc), they ended up playing in (often too) big metal venues, and it sucked...
last gigs from negative approach, agnostic front, etc. were all like this, and add beefy bouncers, etc. fuck that
I don't know, AF seems like the crowd they draw is always thick with 'hardcore' assholes. I'd be terrified to see them play in a squat where the security is a couple of vegan crusty punks.
well, maybe today.
they played in many squats in Italy back in the days with no problems (and there was no need of security).
gigs with almost 1000 people happly breaking their bones in the pit :)
saw them several times through the years and always good fun.
Not so much in the mood for industrial noise today, so I'm just listening to OBLIVIANS Best Of The Worst: 93-97 2xLP after I don't know how many years - and enjoying it.
It seems I always had (and still have) a soft spot for all those garage punk bands from the nineties, some of which were released for example by Crypt Records like Country Teasers, Los Ass-Draggers and Oblivians.
I miss His Hero is Gone. Really do. Particularly when Patrick was the other guitarist (demo, 7", 15 Counts), but I love it all. And their shows were some of the best HC I've ever seen. Paul Burdette is an underrated drummer and punk musician.
Revisiting Hellshock's 1st album, all Contagium, and Stagnation, which was a big surprise to me. Never heard of Stagnation. They basically did one 7", and it is decent quality Swedish death metal, not crust like I expected. Ryan Butler of Unruh ran the controls.
Also delved into relatively new Scottish territory, which is ridiculous considering some of my favorite HC are bands like Sedition, Disaffect, Ruin, TRIBE, and Scatha. Listened to Fastard and Filthpact all day long yesterday. https://filthpact.bandcamp.com/
Got back to listening to Japanese hardcore. Just yesterday I was playing some GUDON, and it amazes me how untouched a lot of the Japanese sound was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXK-6LWMew
I wouldn't even call it "ahead of its time" because not many bands produced this kind of sound beyond the mid-to-late 80's. In fact, there only seems to be a recent resurgence of this incredibly noisy hc in the past decade or so.
Quote from: cr on October 01, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
It seems I always had (and still have) a soft spot for all those garage punk bands.
I was purging records today and playing some of this stuff to review it.... Teengemerate, Kill-a-Watts, Mummies, Supercharger, but my favourite record of this style will always be the one sided Loli & The Chones LP.
I don't think I've spun the first Suicidal Tendencies LP in a decade so that's up next.
The Mummies are way up there. The Devo covers are killer.
Came across the first Suicidal Tendencies LP at work the other day, didn't put it on. Probably been a decade for me as well. I've got a soft spot for "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow...", though.
Not loyal to any Suicidal besides the 1st, but I'm REAL loyal to it. One of the best albums ever made. Period. Genre don't matter. "Possessed to Skate" was cool for a minute, but eh. It didn't have a long shelf life in our house. After that? ffffft.
totally agree
still today one of the best HC records ever and part of those groups that somehow lost it as soon they pushed the pedal on metal...
they had incredible lyrics and brilliant aestetic + bad rep
Cunts don't know when it's time to quit. For example, for years I've worshiped The Blood. Fantastic UK punk band that produced some of the best melodic hardcore ever recorded. "False Gestures For A Devious Public" and the split they did with The Gonads (not such a bad effort from them either) rate very highly on my list of essential fucking punk.
But tonight I listened to "Smell Yourself", years after thinking they'd turned it in.
Old farts trying to recapture the moment of their younger years is fucking embarrassing. In this case, it's only the lyrics and the solos that remind me of who this band is. Everything else is the kind of standard-issue punk that they used to be much better than.
Blood +Gonads absolutely amazing...
I don't know why SxTx changed styles so much between album 1 and 2. So much time had passed, so they had lost their identity? New songwriters? New interests and influences? Les Claypool working the studio on Join the Army? Piecing old, thrown away ideas into new songs from such a different perspective that they didn't work well in either direction? Feeling they could cash in on the popularity of thrashy metal and general artistic ambition (the success of Metallica had a huge, confusing impact on metal in all of California, not just the Bay area)? None of these questions are rhetorical. I'm genuinely curious as to why Muir and Co shifted between their albums. I've never bothered to do due diligence. I've rather wanted to leave the s/t as a moment of almost unparalleled glory than to fill in the cracks with too much possible reality.
honestly I think with punk/HC bands there is a tendency to drift away from just playing punk.
It is very easy to sound good when you only know how to make power chords and play 4/4 beats. Everybody loves 18 year old anger with a simplistic musical foundation.
But if you play any instrument for a long period of time, you start to get good at it, no matter how untalented you are. Then you start playing minor chords, arpeggios, and odd time signatures. In other words, Metal.
I've seen some variations on this. A lot of older punks I know went all roots rock and play rockabilly now. Ex members of Christ on Parade and some other Bay Area punk/hc acts are in the Hellbillys for example.
But there certainly was a thing about 'going metal' in the late 80's. COC, DRI and many other bands embraced Thrash Metal and wanky guitar solos. The reasons then were more obvious than now. In the US at least it was much easier to get a paying gig at an established metal venue. The punks were putting on shows at VFW and St.Marks community center type spaces and charging very low doors. So very low headliner pay.
Metal venues were larger, more oganized and had that great profit model of grinding up local bands with pay for play, and being able to sell alcohol. So they had no problem paying a touring HC/Metal act a decent amount, plus actual backstage areas!
I distinctly remember the metal venue bouncers as the absolute worst though. One memory sticks out of arguing with friends about going to see COC at a lame metal venue with violent bouncers or going to see local hardcore bands at a punk venue with skinheads. We took our chances with the skinheads. At least we had a fighting chance.
I'm sure there was also some label pressure on bands that signed to majors or large indie labels. That shit can really ruin a band.
"Cherry Orchard" anyone?
I like a lot of metalized HC, as I enjoy several crossover bands (SOD!!!) and many thrashcore bands as well (wermacht, cryptic slaughters, etc), but really what gutted me was having bands delivering meh records after masterpieces... sounding like completely different bands
I've been looking for a seven inch or such that I heard on youtube wayback and have lost since. The only thing I know is that the band copied the look of riistetyt skitsofrenia lp (https://www.discogs.com/Riistetyt-Skitsofrenia/master/54352) for the cover. Of course the band name and such are changed but otherwise theyre identical. If anyone here has any idea what that release might be, please tell me.
Yes, it's almost de rigueur for punk bands to start changing once they learn a fourth chord. Some manage it better than others, but as a rule punk and ability usually don't go hand in hand.
There are two British bands I recall, Action Pact and Dead Man's Shadow, who both when in a similar, odd way. Both started off as fairly acceptable, bouncy sort of UK 82 type punk bands (Action Pact were quite good actually), admittedly not thrash, but I used to have albums from them that were - weird, in that they were trying to play a more musical kind of music. It wasn't pop, it was sort of rock but more melodic. As a result, hardly any memorable actual tunes.
I've been a little obsessed with Discrete Records for a while now...
V/A 場外乱闘 2006 - one of many Discrete comps - really into this one - getting repeated listens - anyone have a complete collection of Discrete comps?
Juntess - Under the Red Moon 1991 - some good stuff on this, but it also suffers from listless production - get the sense the songs are better than they are here - it's a long HC album, but it feels even longer.
牙 (Kiba) - 魑魅魍魎 1991 - a thin recording, but I still like it well enough.
牙 (Kiba) - Never Change 2004 - this recording jumps at you more than their 1991 album; has better energy because of it as well - 2nd tier Japanese HC, but good stuff.
牙 (Kiba) - 神風 2013 - not my favorite cover art style - has some pop punk elements you don't find on the earlier recordings - think I prefer Never Change, but this has some good songs as well; not really that memorable of an album, though.
The Wankys/Lotus Fucker - LF smokes here.
Quote from: F_c_O on October 05, 2016, 09:42:56 AM
I've been looking for a seven inch or such that I heard on youtube wayback and have lost since. The only thing I know is that the band copied the look of riistetyt skitsofrenia lp (https://www.discogs.com/Riistetyt-Skitsofrenia/master/54352) for the cover. Of course the band name and such are changed but otherwise theyre identical. If anyone here has any idea what that release might be, please tell me.
Poikkeus maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmpI9WmkMeU
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 03, 2016, 11:40:58 PM
I like a lot of metalized HC, as I enjoy several crossover bands (SOD!!!) and many thrashcore bands as well (wermacht, cryptic slaughters, etc), but really what gutted me was having bands delivering meh records after masterpieces... sounding like completely different bands
Yeah I loved COC when they first came out. It was metal, but still punk. Then Technocracy came out and it wasn't horrible, but it was not face ripping. Likewise for DRI and a lot of other bands. It wasn't the metalness itself that sucked, it was being a metal act on a major label which made their albums just bland crap.
I do remember there being a thing in the 80's punk/HC of 'not going metal'. People would be mocked if they admitted to liking Sabbath or Led Zep. Long hair was not cool. White tennis shoes (like metalheads wear!) were uncool. Stupid juvenile shit in hindsight. Metal and Punk were both very similar in many ways well before any crossover bands showed up.
Was recently watching an 80's vid of Graveyard Rodeo and thinking, damn, that is pretty metal isn't it? And they were like the main punk/hc band of 80's New Orleans.
I think Crossover and Animosity hold their own against each band's early work while also representing the peaks of punks getting interested in metal and crossing over. Both would make my all-time top 100 album lists, too. For many years, I was caught up in how jagged and out of the box Animosity was (a masterwork of imagination and creativity), and maybe in the past 5-10 years, I realized how heavy it is. It's not unusual to find myself going from Black Sabbath to SDS to Animosity. And with Crossover, Spike kind of represents the smoothest riffing I've maybe ever heard. Felix and Josh are a monster rhythm section that album, too.
If you are a DRI fan you owe it to yourself to read Kurt Brecht's books. He wrote a few of them during the time period starting when they were more of a hardcore band and through their successful metal 'Crossover'. Most of the time he spent homeless in San Francisco when they were not touring. It re-gained my respect for him as a lost interest in the band musically.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 08, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
V/A 場外乱闘 2006 - one of many Discrete comps - really into this one - getting repeated listens - anyone have a complete collection of Discrete comps?
Have you tried asking Tom or Zach?
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on October 14, 2016, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 08, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
V/A 場外乱闘 2006 - one of many Discrete comps - really into this one - getting repeated listens - anyone have a complete collection of Discrete comps?
Have you tried asking Tom or Zach?
which users are they?
and for shit news on the DRI front: https://torrentfreak.com/comcast-users-sued-after-ignoring-piracy-notices-150516/
Excited to be asked to contribute to new recordings by these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR7WPliaSag
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Hierophant's new album "Mass Grave" came out yesterday or today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPeqTZNeUVI&list=PLArAJlC1y558VxpVdFVp2EEIarWCOGScW&index=2
I think it's a a lot better than "Peste" which came out like 2 years ago.
Definitely some of the best stuff coming out of Italy.
sex Prisoner – Tannhäuser Gate LP
superb power violence with great aestetic and some disharmonic noise inserts
quality
I uploaded a compilation i made called F.T.W. (Antisocial punk) some times ago. From the 80s or more recent.
DRUNKS WITH GUNS, HOMOSTUPIDS, FUCK UPS, SIEGE, BRAINBOMBS, NO TREND, DAILY VOID, GUTTER GODS, FLIPPER, GG ALLIN, CHURCH POLICE, PISSED JEANS, FRANTIX, SQRM, OUT WITH A BANG, CRUCIFUCKS...
https://neonsfanzine.bandcamp.com/album/f-t-w-antisocial-punk
And i recommend every one of you to listen to the Grabbies' live record. Craziest punk record ever, and best live with The Stooges "Metallic KO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIdkZhe51Dc
^ Got to admire this snail eating low-life's taste in music. 9.5/10. Hope to hear/see more from NEONS in the future!
Swear I saw a great post here_ just a couple hours ago...hmmm?
I know. The Cro-Mags aren't the Cro-Mags without Harley. Or they're not the Cro-Mags without Parris. Or they're not the Cro-Mags without JJ. Or the time and place is long gone all together. I understand all that, and I wouldn't argue with any of those positions. However, 2016 Cro-Mags has Mackie and AJ Novello (Leeway). Mackie (Cro-Mags, Bad Brains, etc) is one of my favorite HC drummers, and AJ is one of my favorite HC guitarists. Craig Setari as a classic player on bass, too. Causes me to continue to be curious. (Harley's 2016 album isn't too bad, either). Pro-shot with soundboard audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnyWxUvzw38
also been listening to...
-Ludichrist demos and live Off the Board CBGB's (great live recording)
-Crumbsuckers demos
-new DxRxIx EP, which isn't as bad as you'd expect; somewhere in that era of sound between 4 of a Kind and Thrash Zone; remaking two of their best songs wasn't the best of ideas, though.
-The Exploited '82-'86 albums
-Nailed Down - Australian HC that became the great Extortion.
Been jamming "Justice Replaced By Revenge" by Ringworm a ton lately. Really tight record, a lot different than "The Promise" but really great riffs, production, songwriting. That was the last one I have listened to, I see they've put 4 or 5 new albums out since then and are now on Relapse, are any of the later ones even remotely worth my time?
Seeing them live at the last show of The Swarm was incredible. They just totally nailed it at that show.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 28, 2016, 05:03:18 AM
Harley Flanagan
Craig Setari
Danny Lilker
=
the Holy triad of NYHC bassplayers
Necros "IQ 32" 7":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8nWieNnpN4
United Mutation "Fugitive Family" & "Rainbow Person" 7"'s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ9sK7am3j0
"F.F." is pretty killer esp. the vocals, 2nd isn't that hot...
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 30, 2016, 08:41:47 PM
Necros "IQ 32" 7":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8nWieNnpN4
United Mutation "Fugitive Family" & "Rainbow Person" 7"'s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ9sK7am3j0
"F.F." is pretty killer esp. the vocals, 2nd isn't that hot...
I have both, great records!
I seem to come around to this Swede/Finn HC binge every few months ago - this time it's Asocial (just shelled out to replace my worn out bootlegs with the FOAD discography) Anti-Cimex/Riistetyt/Protes Bengt/Kaaos/Crude SS/Crudity/Rattus/Shitlickers.... still looking for a decent Disarm reissue.....
I always default to Rajoitus "Hardcore Attack 1995" as well as that was one of those records that just came along at the right time as a teenager to really cement my love for this kind of stuff.....
I bought this double 7" compilation called Let's Start a Riot.... In Sweden II that is an almost perfect sampler of that scene.....
Winter is here? Something in the air? I was considering making a Top 25 Swedish HC Records of the 90s list. I started compiling a list of groups yesterday. Did a little listening as well. Skitsystem 7" (one of my favorite HC EPs of all time) & 10", Bombraid 7"/3"CD, and Loud Pipes EP and LP. I probably won't go through with it because of the huge amount of listening involved with doing it right, but that's the music I'm craving right now.
Skitsystem... yes!
New mini-album 'Kuka Hyötyy' by Perikato sounds a real blast. Reminds me of something like Kansan Uutiset, early Äpärät, Sekunda & bits of early Napalm Death mixed together. Fans of furious Finnish hardcore take notice.
https://soundcloud.com/svart-records/perikato-kuka-hyotyy-lpcd-sampler (https://soundcloud.com/svart-records/perikato-kuka-hyotyy-lpcd-sampler)
Quote from: Marko-V on December 09, 2016, 08:38:40 PM
New mini-album 'Kuka Hyötyy' by Perikato sounds a real blast. Reminds me of something like Kansan Uutiset, early Äpärät, Sekunda & bits of early Napalm Death mixed together. Fans of furious Finnish hardcore take notice.
https://soundcloud.com/svart-records/perikato-kuka-hyotyy-lpcd-sampler (https://soundcloud.com/svart-records/perikato-kuka-hyotyy-lpcd-sampler)
Totally sounds like Kirous although more chaotic. Not bad.
Yeah, that chaotic element makes them stand above the rest.
Dom Dar - Machines Way + Skrattar Bast Som 1994 - Swedish crust (actual crust, not HC) - I must have heard them at some point, but I don't remember anything like what I heard today; maybe a comp track or something? - interesting, catchy, heavyish crust with lots of ideas and a comedic vibe (at least I think so) - I really enjoyed this album - the Skrattar 12" is more HC and straight-forward; not nearly as good, but also quirky.
Dom Dar - Revolution/Stench of Decay 1991 - Swedish crust (actual crust, not HC) - more really good stuff like Machines Way.
Man is the Bastard - The Lost Sessions 2015 - this stuff is on point. "Long Pig" is amazing. Do they perform this live? They could have done a full, fully satisfying set of just this and "Moloch". The quasi-power-electronics "Whistle Blower" is done really well. That's some great material.
Loud Pipes - The Downhill Blues 1997 - Swedish HC - supergroup of Merciless, Unleashed, and a few others - good Swedish HC ala the period - a couple Motorhead-like songs that aren't my thing, but a good album and band that I'd not heard of until now.
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Result. Man, fucking Result. The album. Talk about something that could use a reissue or web release.
This should be on my Best of Japanese HC list. I'm lame for forgetting it all the time. So much going on here. Really interesting and passionate HC (Takeshi/CFDL as fierce and fun as ever). Until one of the Tragedy guys tells me different, I have to think this was an influence on them. Between this album and Norwegian HC, you have 95% of their sound. So few copies made it to the USA. The packaging is interesting, too. Delicate black textured paper of a 2/3 fold, like a budget 7", but clearly not cheap looking with silver ink and a nice A5 booklet. Pressing of 500? At the time, couldn't give my three distro copies, and then when I finally got rid of them, I never heard a word about it or them...or really from anyone, including the horde of Japanophiles. Did any of the other three members play in other bands (besides Why? with Takeshi)? This album was so chock full of influences and executed at such a high level. Anyone know more details on this recording? Insights to what they were listening to at the time, what they were going for, etc? I'd love to know the story on this thing.
Reminds me other unique and accomplished albums like Shikabane's Why Do You Live? or even Acursed's Livet Är Den Längsta Vägen Till Helvetet. Albums that don't fit into anything, that come from elsewhere, and that smoke with ingenuity and quality. Other albums you might add to that group?
Since posting this elsewhere, I found out the guitarist then played in Muga, which makes perfect sense. I always thought Muga was borrowing from Tragedy, but it quite possibly might be the opposite. I now want to dig back into the Muga discography. I was also told that Result was influenced by Sedition and Scatha, which also makes some sense once you factor that into the artwork. I've yet to re-listen to the album with that ear. Sedition, Scatha, etc were said to be huge in Japan, but you don't readily hear the influence.
listening a lot the very first all pigs must die lp...
a little more Swedish listening...
Dodsdomd - Samhallets Fiender Nummer Ett 2003 - good album, and coming from a time when that sound was worn out by a few years.
Krigshot - Terroristattack 1997 - could never get into this band.
Kurbits I.R - Inget Liv 1996 - really good thrash.
Kurbits I.R - Skane Swedish Attacks 1997 - a messier Cryptic Slaughter. Two 7"s. Nailed 'em. Disappear. In that first Rytmihairio 12" Cryptic thrash tradition. Any other bands like that?
I had that Kurbits IR 7" on 625 - I know it did not survive the great 7" purge of the mid 2000's but I remember it being pretty good....
I have been reviewing that Asocial DLP on FOAD and what a rager. I don't know how familiar I was with the material outside of Det Bittra Slutet 7" and the Religion Sucks EP, but the Asocial Attack side is just.... holy shit what a perfect set of songs. The whole collection is great and I ordered the Asocial "Religion Sucks" LP and the new Crude SS from Havoc Records last week so round of my collection.... hopefully those arrive this week. I didn't order those Varukers reissues he's done and I kind of regret it now.....
My default Finland LP is "Schizophrenia" by Riistetyt - what a perfect sounding record. There's something about that Finnish stuff, especially the Kaaos "Nuuke" EP & Ristiinnaulittu Kaaos MLP that just hit the mark so perfectly for me. Felix Havoc has done the world a great service by keeping those in print forever and a day.....
When it comes to Finnish punk and HC, I always find myself back at Kaaos. One of my favorite HC bands in general. Gotta love Havoc and the way he continues to try to keep to an older philosophy.
Prank has been working on a Septic Death 2LP for years (different than any other). I don't think Prank has been discouraged by the delays, so I would count on it happening at some point. Unfortunately, none of these things, including the Prank release, will be a complete discography. It seems that Pushead either doesn't want such a thing to exist or doesn't see the point in one existing. He's a game player like Stapleton.
Here's a link to the Crossed Out Twice lossless rip (and seeded): http://www.punktorrents.com/thread-128419.html
Thanks for the link. I'll have to check this out. I have the Attention LP, Kichigai 7" and the "Desperate For Attention" 7" that came with a zine, but my collection is missing A LOT. There's always so much weirdness around the Pusmort/Bacteria Sour catalog and what's what. So many different versions of "Attention" that are just different mixes? What is this shit....
One of the highlights of the Bacteria Sour catalog is the Damad "Rewind/Manmade" 7". Really great record from a band I always forget to revisit.
I wasn't so clear in my previous post. Pushead purposely won't release a complete discography. He knows exactly what he's doing, which is also why he has done so well in the crazy limited edition toy market in Japan.
Pushead was a big deal in general, but to us Thrasher heads, thus Puszone seat edgers, he was our answer to the internet and addendum to long thank you lists. If he talked about it, it was worth hearing. Like with most artists, it's been a disappointment to see how he fucks with his audience. Septic Death shit was never that easy to find. It wasn't ultra limited, but because of his large footprint, the demand was high. When Southern distributed Attention on CD, it was needed. Until then, Wild Riders of Boards was my taster. Great comp. Pivotal comp for me.
Yes, Damad. I didn't get into them until they were gone. Love it now. I even like Karst, and they're half the band Damad was. I'm even a big Kylesa fan (including the recent albums, but to a lesser degree). I think what that group of people were doing was unique and really interesting. I understand why a lot of people bag on Kylesa, and maybe rightly so, but I like their stuff a lot. Pleasants writes some of the best riffs. She has her go-to tricks, but I happen to like them. Love the Mediterranean influence and have always wanted it to have a bigger presence.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on December 22, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
He still owes me stickers. I sent him stamps numerous times & never received ANYTHING.
He's a notorious rip off. People sent him money and watched it get sucked into a black hole. The excuses and apologists were neverending. Big name. Influential person in the lives of so many. Like it is some kind of justifiable trade-off that because you loved X, Y, Z about him, it was okay for him to never send you anything. Or that he's this eccentric artist who has no organizational skills etc, it's "funny" that he never filled your order. Yet, he had time to advertise for your money and interest. I never sent him money. He never ripped me off. It's the type that causes such a strong reaction (like Rupenus etc). Fuck that. Fuck the apologists. Fuck the excuses. You advertised a product. You cashed the check/deposited the money. You have plenty of time to uphold your end of the contract.
I don't know why his website isn't more thorough, but I suspect it is the aforementioned organizational skills, time management, and the power of momentum. He's probably not one of those artists who fits 26 hours into a day. I'm not an artist, but I get being sloppy with time. It's a real vice.
I have been enjoying this live set from Kickback a lot lately. 150 Passions era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXJmGdpladk
The hardcore equivalent of Final Solution? Both in terms of the band members' debauched lifestyles and the success with which their music captures the urban rot of their surroundings...
Quote from: tiny_tove on January 27, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
relistened husker dü.
I am so missing them
Unbeatable!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_g50XhUeEY
I know we've talked about it at various points in this thread, but as I have been trying to go through 2016 to make a best of list, I've been pleasantly reminded of the good power-violence showing this year. Am I missing anything? Cave State's 2nd EP came out in 2015.
Burnout - s/t 2016 - nice to see this style still alive with at least a couple bands doing it justice (Cave State) - this doesn't have quite the precision heavy production of Wound Man.
Death Agonies - Final Recording 2016 - This is one of my favorite forms of power-violence. Man is the Bastard style, with power-electronics, hardcore, and caveman crude hardcore. *check out the Survivalist bandcamp page. it's a web release.
Wound Man - Perimeter 2016 - quality power-violence with high-quality Sabbath-esque parts, ie "Temple".
Wound Man - Rolled 2016
Sex Prisoner - Tannhauser Gate 2016
Sea of Shit's 2nd 7" was 2016, as was their split LP with Sick/Tired.
Quote from: absurdexposition on January 25, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
Sea of Shit's 2nd 7" was 2016, as was their split LP with Sick/Tired.
wish I liked their vocals
Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 25, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: absurdexposition on January 25, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
Sea of Shit's 2nd 7" was 2016, as was their split LP with Sick/Tired.
wish I liked their vocals
That's fair. They're pretty one-dimensional.
Quote from: MMMM on January 25, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Kickback
Saw them live a couple of times. Band's a joke. Just posers playing shitty metalcore..
Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 25, 2017, 08:04:23 PM
I know we've talked about it at various points in this thread, but as I have been trying to go through 2016 to make a best of list, I've been pleasantly reminded of the good power-violence showing this year. Am I missing anything? Cave State's 2nd EP came out in 2015.
Burnout - s/t 2016 - nice to see this style still alive with at least a couple bands doing it justice (Cave State) - this doesn't have quite the precision heavy production of Wound Man.
Death Agonies - Final Recording 2016 - This is one of my favorite forms of power-violence. Man is the Bastard style, with power-electronics, hardcore, and caveman crude hardcore. *check out the Survivalist bandcamp page. it's a web release.
Wound Man - Perimeter 2016 - quality power-violence with high-quality Sabbath-esque parts, ie "Temple".
Wound Man - Rolled 2016
Sex Prisoner - Tannhauser Gate 2016
I think the tape was out in 2015 but the Vile Intent - Machine Into Flesh LP was one of my favorite albums of 2016 period. Wasn't too surprised to see at Total Black bandcamp that some of the members also have noise/industrial projects.
I'll have to check out Death Agonies. Sounds right up my alley. Thanks!
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on January 26, 2017, 03:06:46 PM
Quote from: MMMM on January 25, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Kickback
Saw them live a couple of times. Band's a joke. Just posers playing shitty metalcore..
I don't usually care much for meathead hardcore that they played on the early records but even at that point there was a strong sense of filth and deviance to their music that I haven't found in much other music of the sort.
The later releases where the influence of Sotos, black metal etc. started shaping the sound and themes of the music as much as the "feel" of it, are obviously great...
Quote from: Decrepitude on January 26, 2017, 05:13:47 PMI think the tape was out in 2015 but the Vile Intent - Machine Into Flesh LP was one of my favorite albums of 2016 period.
Thanks. I didn't know about it, and I like it. A little more grindcore than power-violence, but I'll take it.
edit: the earlier stuff, like the Shadow of the Skull 7", seems to be more plodding/flying dynamic PV. I'm into it all.
Vile Intent are good but are only active once or twice a year with members being split between Montreal and Berlin. Last year's LP is great, but it took a little too long to came out.
Members are also in REMWAR (https://remwar.bandcamp.com), Terse (http://terse.likeweeds.org), Flat Teeth (http://flatteeth.likeweeds.org) and some others that likely don't have recordings yet. I'm in a new band with the guitarist.
Hans drummed in Mocoso for a bit (which is the brainchild of Jose from S.H.I.T.) - the demo tape from a couple years back is totally killer (https://laincreiblevidadeserunmocoso.bandcamp.com/releases) - and Jay played bass in Facade (http://facade.likeweeds.org)
Total support for Death Agonies. The video appears to be gone from YouTube but there's great footage of a DA show featuring Kiyasu from Sete Star Sept freaking out. Anyone have a link to that?
Thanks. I'll look into those.
One that will likely make my best of 2016 list. It's "dirty" and not necessarily raw or crude. They got a great sound on this thing:
Hashed Out - Cosmic Pessimism 2016 - raw, dirty hardcore with a nice element of power-violence at times - don't judge it by the horrible album cover - I can see this appealing more to the pure hardcore types than the grinders.
Harsh - Reality CD 2000 - forgot how good this Infest/pv was - would like to see a discography CD.
Control Mechanism - crude Finnish power-violence - another forgotten band from the 90s - the covers would lead you to think it is power-electronics.
VA-Human Skin Lanterns 2016 - not too into the other two bands so much, but Captain Three Leg deliver on some quality power-violence (not joking, and this band is underrated). It's free. Give them a shot.
*I haven't been a big fan of Noothgrush in the past, but since Dino Dystopia has been on vocals (2012?), they've been writing good songs and riffs. Maybe it is just me, and I should re-visit the old stuff.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on January 29, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
Harsh - Reality CD 2000 - forgot how good this Infest/pv was - would like to see a discography CD.
Control Mechanism - crude Finnish power-violence - another forgotten band from the 90s - the covers would lead you to think it is power-electronics.
VA-Human Skin Lanterns 2016 - not too into the other two bands so much, but Captain Three Leg deliver on some quality power-violence (not joking, and this band is underrated). It's free. Give them a shot.
*I haven't been a big fan of Noothgrush in the past, but since Dino Dystopia has been on vocals (2012?), they've been writing good songs and riffs. Maybe it is just me, and I should re-visit the old stuff.
I talked to someone from Harsh this summer and he said there's been talks about doing it again on and off. Would be really cool to see.
I've yet to listen to Human Skin Lanterns but the Reeking Cross stuff on the split tape with Sedem Minut Strachu was great. And C3L is always good.
And Noothgrush is one of the best ever, even so that I play in a band that is at times a 1:1 rip-off of them. I'd recommend to check out Erode The Person LP and the Live For Nothing CD/LP on Southern Lord.
Good newish uk band. Noisy and sloppy;
https://scrapbrainhc.bandcamp.com/
I hope this wasn't mentioned earlier in the thread. I hate to think I missed this band until now. Both the demo and EP are great.
https://crackunderpressure13.bandcamp.com/
*notice the Voi Vod in the "Uneasy Peace" track
can't believe Oi Polloi are still at it.
Free the Henge indeed.
https://youtu.be/kPpV2basTgI
Nostalgia led me to YouTube for two albums i used to listen a lot as teenager. Anarcho-punk, hardcore. Lyrics are in Greek, you won't understand a thing, probably better this way haha. Music is good i think, i still like.
https://youtu.be/_3gNgOqg2AU
https://youtu.be/U_n2Uv1dRb8
My favorite Greek band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6q6EzfFCpk
liking the taste of Bad Teeth Recordings. Ledge, Spine, Draize. Good sludge, youthy power-violence, and Bostonian HC with a wee sliver of death metal in some riffing respectively.
https://badteethrecordings.bandcamp.com/
unrelated to that scene, Barge is also good HC with decent power-violence leanings.
https://gravemistakerecords.bandcamp.com/album/no-gain
At All Cost - demos 1988 and 1990 - new to me, fun, really good HC with elements of Ludichrist and Straight Ahead in the vocals - one more instance of something new/old providing loads of satisfaction - both available for free from their bandcamp.
https://atallcostnyhc.bandcamp.com/
It's been a hot minute since I've been in the mood for Japanese hardcore, and I mean years. I've been on a GISM/Gai/Disclose/Framtid/Kuro/Gauze bender the last few days.
Also been totally revisiting Hellbastard "Ripper Crust" and the MASSKONTROLL discography who are my all time favorite crust band from the 90s.
http://pollutedbrain.blogspot.com/2008/06/atrocious-madness-interview-heres.html
Quote from: Mikerdeath on April 13, 2017, 05:09:40 AM
http://pollutedbrain.blogspot.com/2008/06/atrocious-madness-interview-heres.html
When mentioning Atrocious Madness, how about Lebenden Toten? Japanese-influenced noisy hardcore punk. I used to listen to them a lot. They're playing soon in Europe and I'm planning to see them in Copenhagen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9I1QumCuLk
Quote from: Mikerdeath on April 13, 2017, 05:09:40 AM
http://pollutedbrain.blogspot.com/2008/06/atrocious-madness-interview-heres.html
Thanks Mike this is great. Love this band, love Lebenden Toten even more, can't wait for their new record.
Totally hooked on Exit Order. Their album has a cool post punk sound and awesome hooks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qneB0GQ-oQw
yesterday Negazione singer Zazzo visited local underground shop in Como to present the massive NEGAZIONE Boxset : la nostra vita.
as already discussed, we had several cult bands in the first wave of Italian HC (raw power, nabat, indigesti, wretched, crash box, etc.) , BUT Negazione can definitely be considered the biggest cult. each song was a hit and lyrics were already ahead of their time.
meeting was cool and it was an excellent way to hook up with several hc veterans I have been knowing for the past 30 years
https://www.facebook.com/negazionelanostravita/
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Them first two Negazione EP's are way out there. Rabid and strange.
Condannati A Morte 7" is my favorite.. So much energy and aggression!
a few good quality videos from the hate5six youtube channel. Professional video with often soundboard audio. Anyone know them? What's their deal?
Iron Lung. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzNrAN1J08g
Wound Man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxl89lAVdc
Scapegoat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gve0wePl5s
furious pv/grind from canada. been listening to this demo a lot: https://youtu.be/4qjj0YwwOk8 (https://youtu.be/4qjj0YwwOk8)
Quote from: ricjaff on May 08, 2017, 03:10:27 AM
furious pv/grind from canada.
No Can-Con here.
"Female-fronted grind-violence band from New Brunswick, New Jersey, USA. This is their debut release."
oh, well regardless it's still awesome.
Found this to be a real fun listen. LP version is coming soon.
https://theundesirable.bandcamp.com/album/holy-money-the-language-machine-undesirable-013
Holy Money's The Language Machine is a sonically and conceptually heavy monolith that defies the "sludge" and "stoner" monikers lazily attached to most slow, metallic bands. Realistically, Holy Money play death metal , but with rhythmic and hypnotic songwriting that borders on psychedelia instead of violence, gore, or aggression. To be sure, this album is brutal – but more like a J.G. Ballard novel than a Bolt Thrower record.
Strongly recommended for enthusiasts of Corrupted, Bastard Noise, and DMT.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 08, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Found this to be a real fun listen. LP version is coming soon.
https://theundesirable.bandcamp.com/album/holy-money-the-language-machine-undesirable-013
Holy Money's The Language Machine is a sonically and conceptually heavy monolith that defies the "sludge" and "stoner" monikers lazily attached to most slow, metallic bands. Realistically, Holy Money play death metal , but with rhythmic and hypnotic songwriting that borders on psychedelia instead of violence, gore, or aggression. To be sure, this album is brutal – but more like a J.G. Ballard novel than a Bolt Thrower record.
Strongly recommended for enthusiasts of Corrupted, Bastard Noise, and DMT.
Listened to this earlier today. Fucking fantastic. I need to pick up the LP.
Been anticipating that one. Will wait for the physical before giving a listen.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 08, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Found this to be a real fun listen. LP version is coming soon.
https://theundesirable.bandcamp.com/album/holy-money-the-language-machine-undesirable-013
Holy Money's The Language Machine is a sonically and conceptually heavy monolith that defies the "sludge" and "stoner" monikers lazily attached to most slow, metallic bands. Realistically, Holy Money play death metal , but with rhythmic and hypnotic songwriting that borders on psychedelia instead of violence, gore, or aggression. To be sure, this album is brutal – but more like a J.G. Ballard novel than a Bolt Thrower record.
Strongly recommended for enthusiasts of Corrupted, Bastard Noise, and DMT.
I love Holy Money so will check this out. Thanks!
First song from a fast hardcore/powerviolence band I play in called Circling The Drain is featured on this label mixtape, tape demo will be available later this year. https://judaschaircollective.bandcamp.com/album/mixtape-mmxvii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzD3qycrj4
Jezuz and the Gospelfuckers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLau7coYiU
Saw Acrylics a month ish ago in a sweatbox basement and loved them, one of the few new hardcore bands i've actively been interested in following
https://acrylics.bandcamp.com/
Una Bèstia Incontrolable - Metamorfosi had me thinking of Die Kreuzen - October File in flow, Contropotere in energy and tribal progression, and some surf riffing. I'd normally want something longer because I'm enjoying it so much, but I think 21 minutes might be plenty. I wonder how much influence the rich, prolific tradition of progressive rock in Italy and Spain plays into something like this coming out of Spain. Everyone in this band is good, but the bass player is one of the better ones I've heard in a while.
found this cool video of UBI playing some of these new songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxfw8DLG8K8
As far as I know, there wasn't much of a progressive rock scene in Spain in the '70s because they had Franco as the dictator until 1975. I have heard about some, but not much. Later on there was an alternative/punk/underground scene with bands like Esplendor Geometrico, HHH, and Toreros After Olé, of course.
On the other hand, Italy and the neighbouring country to Spain, France, had a lot of great bands and artists...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 01:29:33 AM
I wonder how much influence the rich, prolific tradition of progressive rock in Italy and Spain plays into something like this coming out of Spain.
Quote from: breidahl on June 15, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
As far as I know, there wasn't much of a progressive rock scene in Spain in the '70s because they had Franco as the dictator until 1975. I have heard about some, but not much. Later on there was an alternative/punk/underground scene with a bands like Esplendor Geometrico, HHH, and Toreros After Olé, of course.
On the other hand, Italy and the neighbouring country to Spain, France, had a lot of great bands and artists...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 01:29:33 AM
I wonder how much influence the rich, prolific tradition of progressive rock in Italy and Spain plays into something like this coming out of Spain.
Thanks. It never occurred to me to check into the political landscape. From various discussions, I had the impression that the late-70s was a fruitful time for prog in Spain, but I didn't know why it was limited to the latter part of the decade. Atila - Reviure 1978 is the first to come to mind.
Was taking to someone else where on here (where else?) about these two so I figured flag them up here too.
for your pleasure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtMoe0gJTrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGXAMaOmPJo
https://m.metrotimes.com/city-slang/archives/2017/06/13/brothers-and-sisters-wayne-kramer-uploads-rare-remastered-mc5-footage-to-youtube (https://m.metrotimes.com/city-slang/archives/2017/06/13/brothers-and-sisters-wayne-kramer-uploads-rare-remastered-mc5-footage-to-youtube)
Wayne Kramer has been uploading early MC5 footage to YouTube, the Tartar Field footage and DNC Riots stuff is amazing.
Of course this reminds me how much I want to see the Stooges doc when I start seeing stuff like this.
RIP Gas Chamber.
Single greatest band on earth.
Crisis interview with Tony Wakeford:
http://www.fearandloathingfanzine.com/crisis.html
Up until 1975 (when he died), Spain was under Franco's dictatorship and he was a narrow-minded and nationalistic individual who believed in social casts and got famous through his military career. After his death, art creation exploded in Spain. There's even a name for that, la Movida.
I wouldn't lump EG, TAO and HHH in the same bag. I'm not sure EG had the same mindset regarding the government at the time as HHH and TOA either. Based on their lyrics, I'd say HHH are much more involved in politics than TOA. Also, if I remember well, TOA came from Madrid (like EG) and HHH from Catalunya, which, like the Southern Basque Country suffered a much harsher fate during Franco's dictatorship as they were forbidden from living according to Catalan culture (they'd go to jail or worse for speaking Catalan, etc... Which is also what happened in the Basque Country.) I know for a fact it had a very strong influence on the growth of the punk scene in the Southern Basque Country (no reason why Eskorbuto got so big.) I'm less familiar with the scene in Catalunya, although I know and love the classic bands from there such as Grb, Subterranean Kids, Kangrena, etc...
And I can't stand UBI, although I really enjoy a bunch of the bands these guys come from. I think the Tokyo Sound System bands have been doing the same kind of psychedelic experiments with punk a loooong time ago already. I also think the current Barcelona punk scene is overstaying its welcome (I love Ultra though.)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: breidahl on June 15, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
As far as I know, there wasn't much of a progressive rock scene in Spain in the '70s because they had Franco as the dictator until 1975. I have heard about some, but not much. Later on there was an alternative/punk/underground scene with a bands like Esplendor Geometrico, HHH, and Toreros After Olé, of course.
On the other hand, Italy and the neighbouring country to Spain, France, had a lot of great bands and artists...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 01:29:33 AM
I wonder how much influence the rich, prolific tradition of progressive rock in Italy and Spain plays into something like this coming out of Spain.
Thanks. It never occurred to me to check into the political landscape. From various discussions, I had the impression that the late-70s was a fruitful time for prog in Spain, but I didn't know why it was limited to the latter part of the decade. Atila - Reviure 1978 is the first to come to mind.
I guess I was just mentioning some random names from that time. I can see that EG weren't a political band, but they weren't very conformist either. The punk bands were obviously very political and anti-.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 17, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
Up until 1975 (when he died), Spain was under Franco's dictatorship and he was a narrow-minded and nationalistic individual who believed in social casts and got famous through his military career. After his death, art creation exploded in Spain. There's even a name for that, la Movida.
I wouldn't lump EG, TAO and HHH in the same bag. I'm not sure EG had the same mindset regarding the government at the time as HHH and TOA either. Based on their lyrics, I'd say HHH are much more involved in politics than TOA. Also, if I remember well, TOA came from Madrid (like EG) and HHH from Catalunya, which, like the Southern Basque Country suffered a much harsher fate during Franco's dictatorship as they were forbidden from living according to Catalan culture (they'd go to jail or worse for speaking Catalan, etc... Which is also what happened in the Basque Country.) I know for a fact it had a very strong influence on the growth of the punk scene in the Southern Basque Country (no reason why Eskorbuto got so big.) I'm less familiar with the scene in Catalunya, although I know and love the classic bands from there such as Grb, Subterranean Kids, Kangrena, etc...
And I can't stand UBI, although I really enjoy a bunch of the bands these guys come from. I think the Tokyo Sound System bands have been doing the same kind of psychedelic experiments with punk a loooong time ago already. I also think the current Barcelona punk scene is overstaying its welcome (I love Ultra though.)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: breidahl on June 15, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
As far as I know, there wasn't much of a progressive rock scene in Spain in the '70s because they had Franco as the dictator until 1975. I have heard about some, but not much. Later on there was an alternative/punk/underground scene with a bands like Esplendor Geometrico, HHH, and Toreros After Olé, of course.
On the other hand, Italy and the neighbouring country to Spain, France, had a lot of great bands and artists...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 15, 2017, 01:29:33 AM
I wonder how much influence the rich, prolific tradition of progressive rock in Italy and Spain plays into something like this coming out of Spain.
Thanks. It never occurred to me to check into the political landscape. From various discussions, I had the impression that the late-70s was a fruitful time for prog in Spain, but I didn't know why it was limited to the latter part of the decade. Atila - Reviure 1978 is the first to come to mind.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 08, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Found this to be a real fun listen. LP version is coming soon.
https://theundesirable.bandcamp.com/album/holy-money-the-language-machine-undesirable-013
Holy Money's The Language Machine is a sonically and conceptually heavy monolith that defies the "sludge" and "stoner" monikers lazily attached to most slow, metallic bands. Realistically, Holy Money play death metal , but with rhythmic and hypnotic songwriting that borders on psychedelia instead of violence, gore, or aggression. To be sure, this album is brutal – but more like a J.G. Ballard novel than a Bolt Thrower record.
Strongly recommended for enthusiasts of Corrupted, Bastard Noise, and DMT.
Picked this up today. Haven't had a chance to spin the full LP yet but the bandcamp tracks sounds GREAT.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1262798-Third-World-Planet
I miss bands like Third World Planet. Would love to see a bandcamp collection for them. Too much material for a CD, or 2CD, discography release.
The Third World Planet/Republic Of Freedom Fighters "split 8.5" flexi" was one of the first DIY punk records I bought, there were seemingly endless copies for sale here in every distro/store for $3 each....
Quote from: holy ghost on July 03, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
The Third World Planet/Republic Of Freedom Fighters "split 8.5" flexi" was one of the first DIY punk records I bought, there were seemingly endless copies for sale here in every distro/store for $3 each....
still have this one - haven't played this in ages though.
Iron Drugs - E.P: https://irondrugs.bandcamp.com/releases
Quote from: holy ghost on July 03, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
The Third World Planet/Republic Of Freedom Fighters "split 8.5" flexi" was one of the first DIY punk records I bought, there were seemingly endless copies for sale here in every distro/store for $3 each....
I can't remember off hand, but back then, I think the minimum order to manufacture flexis was either 5K or 10K copies. Whatever the case, when you press them, you have an assload.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 03, 2017, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: holy ghost on July 03, 2017, 01:02:43 AM
The Third World Planet/Republic Of Freedom Fighters "split 8.5" flexi" was one of the first DIY punk records I bought, there were seemingly endless copies for sale here in every distro/store for $3 each....
I can't remember off hand, but back then, I think the minimum order to manufacture flexis was either 5K or 10K copies. Whatever the case, when you press them, you have an assload.
Unless things have changed in the past few years it's now a 1000 copy minimum - which is still unreal for today's markets.
week end nachos a go go
Bizarre X
then
Wormrot
then
Saywhy?
then
Idiots Parade
then
Entrails Massacre
then
Yacøpsæ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdiBu-50mdI
Watched some live segments from Harley's recent 2017 summer tour for his album from 2016; a surprisingly good album. Had me listening to Best Wishes most of this week. Such a great choice to play "Down, But Not Out" live. Hearing it live, even now, reveals how deep and primal the groove is, like something I associate more with The Age of Quarrel.
I'm assuming there's at least one authority on Dwid and Integrity here. Can anyone identify the first 4 songs on this video? I'd appreciate it.
https://youtu.be/0bWMFija5oY
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 16, 2017, 06:58:48 PM
I'm assuming there's at least one authority on Dwid and Integrity here. Can anyone identify the first 4 songs on this video? I'd appreciate it.
https://youtu.be/0bWMFija5oY
(Intro)
Vocal Test / Hollow
Psychological Warfare
Rise
Quote from: locustfurnace on August 17, 2017, 02:38:06 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 16, 2017, 06:58:48 PM
I'm assuming there's at least one authority on Dwid and Integrity here. Can anyone identify the first 4 songs on this video? I'd appreciate it.
https://youtu.be/0bWMFija5oY
(Intro)
Vocal Test / Hollow
Psychological Warfare
Rise
Thanks. Integrity were one of those bands that I simply never bothered to hear. Sold tens and tens of Humanity and other records at the store. Filed even more. If I've ever heard them, I didn't realize it or care enough to find out the band playing. What I'm about to say is likely blasphemous to the Integrity head, but because of the organy, rich guitar tone on that video, I think I like those versions more than what I've heard on the albums.
Very rarely have any desire to attend shows or events. I'm envious of this, though.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
Spongebob themed powervoilence
https://goolagoonhc.bandcamp.com
They came around my area once or twice. Live show was great.
The band members are bunch of typical Boston sjw types though haha
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 25, 2017, 11:08:58 PM
Very rarely have any desire to attend shows or events. I'm envious of this, though.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
I'm not feeling a ton of these newer power violence bands save for Vile Intent, Subsist and a few others, nor am I particularly interested in reunions but seeing all this renewed interest has had me blasting the 90's classics all week. I rolled through Suppression, Crossed Out, classic MITB,
Seeing how pv has been embraced as a "legit" genre has me remembering how much this stuff was derided in the 90's, got me chuckling just a tad. You couldn't walk down the street reading a copy of Monkeybite #2 without someone calling you an asshole.....
Quote from: holy ghost on September 27, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 25, 2017, 11:08:58 PM
Very rarely have any desire to attend shows or events. I'm envious of this, though.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
I'm not feeling a ton of these newer power violence bands save for Vile Intent, Subsist and a few others, nor am I particularly interested in reunions but seeing all this renewed interest has had me blasting the 90's classics all week. I rolled through Suppression, Crossed Out, classic MITB,
Seeing how pv has been embraced as a "legit" genre has me remembering how much this stuff was derided in the 90's, got me chuckling just a tad. You couldn't walk down the street reading a copy of Monkeybite #2 without someone calling you an asshole.....
i went to it. first night i only went to see gasp, specifically, and they more than delivered. never thought I'd ever get to see them. concussive is probably the only newer pv band that i've liked for around two years now; they play really solid no comment worship but don't seem a carbon copy. all the bands the second night were great, and bastard noise played a really solid noise set (thought they might do the rehashed mitb stuff, which i'm not really a fan of personally). infest has been excellent every time i've seen them play, and are 100% worth seeing if you have the opportunity.
Quote from: holy ghost on September 27, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 25, 2017, 11:08:58 PM
Very rarely have any desire to attend shows or events. I'm envious of this, though.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
I'm not feeling a ton of these newer power violence bands save for Vile Intent, Subsist and a few others, nor am I particularly interested in reunions but seeing all this renewed interest has had me blasting the 90's classics all week. I rolled through Suppression, Crossed Out, classic MITB,
Seeing how pv has been embraced as a "legit" genre has me remembering how much this stuff was derided in the 90's, got me chuckling just a tad. You couldn't walk down the street reading a copy of Monkeybite #2 without someone calling you an asshole.....
I always get the impression that power-violence continues to be the creepy uncle of the HC family. I think that's more a regional perspective, though. In Minneapolis, PV might as well been neo-nazi music. Out west, it's part of their normal musical vernacular. Out east, you have both reactions in extreme. In general, it seems like it still gets shit on now, though. I've talked about it many times. I'm sure we have here in this thread somewhere. Power-violence was such a strange overall phenomena in the 90s. While not closeted like some noise and noisecore, selling 1000s of copies of records and zines from the most infamous labels, practically having its own zines in
Monkeybite and
Short Fast & Loud, it was still sort of on the fringes. It somehow managed to remain "outsider" music within HC. The unashamed tension and violence certainly didn't hurt it remaining out there. California is, or at least was, a truly strange place.
Because of this little fest, yesterday, I made a short list of recent PV bands I like. There are more than I realized. I hadn't head of Subsist. Is this them? https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/subsist
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 27, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
I hadn't head of Subsist. Is this them? https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/subsist
People seem like to both tapes but I tend to shy away from our first one and just rep the second, which is one of my favourite recordings that I have been a part of: https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/crisis
I've always leaned towards having a stricter definition of pv for bands that came after the initial heyday, almost in a way that would by definition betray the "original" groups in retrospective, and would say that 99% of bands claiming the "pv" tag aren't pv at all (which is not an uncommon argument).
Quote from: absurdexposition on September 27, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 27, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
I hadn't head of Subsist. Is this them? https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/subsist
People seem like to both tapes but I tend to shy away from our first one and just rep the second, which is one of my favourite recordings that I have been a part of: https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/crisis
I've always leaned towards having a stricter definition of pv for bands that came after the initial heyday, almost in a way that would by definition betray the "original" groups in retrospective, and would say that 99% of bands claiming the "pv" tag aren't pv at all (which is not an uncommon argument).
Thanks for the link. Looking forward to listening to these.
I often catch flak for being too liberal with krautrock, and I considerate myself somewhat conservative. I try not to get to the point of splitting hairs or pedantry, but I can be guilty of both. One thing I've noticed about PV that I understand, but that also makes me cringe a bit, is if one of the originals labels a band power-violence, then everyone takes that as gospel. I almost always agree, but it is the status aspect that is a little ugly.
I like that you bring up Krautrock because the link between the two of them is huge - not in sound obviously but the dichotomy of musical variables that converge in a certain place, time and attitude are huge. Like how do you go from Crossed Out and a few short years later you've got Drome Triler of Puzzle Zoo People dropping out of that same scene? I feel that getting turned on to that scene at a very young age really shaped everything I wound up getting into as a result of it once I opened my mind beyond the rigid dogma of the punk scene. Noise, free jazz, psychedelia, krautrock, prog, etc. I can connect the dots on almost anything I'm listening to back to some aspect of it.
Also I'm just a tad wary of these reunion shows after watching the botched abortion that was Siege earlier this year so forgive my catankerous ranting on that. There are super cool current bands out there - Sea of Shit, Iron Lung, Intensive Care.... maybe more? I'm out of the loop.....
The power-violence people were definitely some of the most progressive musical listeners and thinkers in the 90's HC world. Eric Wood has always had a curious, listen to everything quality mind. Punk and HC have almost always had a limiting, small-parametered perspective. Couldn't listen to the closely related metal cousin etc. Crossover was met with "no fucking way, assholes." I'd be curious if the open-minded, curious element was still part of today's PV bands. I sort of doubt it, but maybe it's inherent.
I compiled a list of recent PV bands for myself. If I'm missing any, please let me know.
Barge - https://gravemistakerecords.bandcamp.com/album/no-gain
Burnout - https://burnout.bandcamp.com/releases
Cave State - http://cavestate.bandcamp.com/
Chest Pain - https://chestpain.bandcamp.com/
Coke Bust - https://cokebust.bandcamp.com/
Concussive - https://zestviolence.bandcamp.com/
Depraved - https://depravedhc.bandcamp.com/
Hashed Out - https://hashedout.bandcamp.com/
Hatred Surge - https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/human-overdose-lp-lungs-041
Iron Lung - https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com
Purity Control - https://puritycontrolhc.bandcamp.com/
Redacted - https://redacted1.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2014
Scaphe - https://scaphe.bandcamp.com/
Scum Human - https://scumhuman.bandcamp.com/
Sex Prisoner - https://sexprisoner.bandcamp.com/
SFN - https://sfnwisconsin.bandcamp.com/
Spine - https://spinehc.bandcamp.com/
Subsist - https://absurdexposition.bandcamp.com/album/subsist
Terminal Nation - https://terminalnationhc.bandcamp.com/
Vile Intent - http://machineintoflesh.com/
Wound Man - https://woundman.bandcamp.com/
EDIT 1: added Chest Pain.
get the Power Violence Project magazine (waiting for the documentary), you won't regret it
Mr Woods quotes at length Con-Dom, Bizarre Uproar, striations, etc.
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 25, 2017, 01:38:14 AM
get the Power Violence Project magazine (waiting for the documentary), you won't regret it
Mr Woods quotes at length Con-Dom, Bizarre Uproar, striations, etc.
I did. Haven't read it yet.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
https://www.instagram.com/powerviolenceproject/
Waiting for my copy of the zine to come in the mail.
A bunch of bands on that list above are really just hc punk bands, I'd say (like Coke Bust, Purity Control)
And for what it's worth, the vocalist in Scum Human was also in Subsist.
For a couple of years I ran a hardcore label that dabbled in black metal and even had one industrial release (Psywarfare) and a synthpop EP. highly influenced by the Holy Terror side of metallic hardcore. Most releases are free to download here, and if it's not and you'd like to download it, please let me know. While the label is no longer active it'd be good if people still enjoyed the music cos there was some quality shit on there (I can say that cos none of the releases were my own bands!)
https://hatecof.bandcamp.com/
I'd highly recommend the Esoteric Youth demo for some nasty raw black/hardcore.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 25, 2017, 02:33:51 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 25, 2017, 01:38:14 AM
get the Power Violence Project magazine (waiting for the documentary), you won't regret it
Mr Woods quotes at length Con-Dom, Bizarre Uproar, striations, etc.
I did. Haven't read it yet.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
https://www.instagram.com/powerviolenceproject/
going through it , very nice.
going to get the shirts soon :)
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 30, 2017, 12:23:50 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 25, 2017, 02:33:51 AM
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 25, 2017, 01:38:14 AM
get the Power Violence Project magazine (waiting for the documentary), you won't regret it
Mr Woods quotes at length Con-Dom, Bizarre Uproar, striations, etc.
I did. Haven't read it yet.
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/powerviolenceproject/
https://www.instagram.com/powerviolenceproject/
going through it , very nice.
It's pretty cool but it could have used an editor. Especially at the price it's going for.
At any rate, Wood literally talks about harsh noise and PE for 10+ pages. Referencing Bizarre Uproar, Con-Dom, Deathpile, Grunt, Macronympha, Striations. The contributions from Barnes and Kenyon were nice, too.
A ripping, thundering bassist from Loud and Boisterous. another great track is from Scoundrel. The soundtrack to Urban Styles: Graffiti In NYHC book.
https://wardancerecords.bandcamp.com/album/urban-styles-mix-tape-side-a
https://wardancerecords.bandcamp.com/album/urban-styles-mix-tape-side-b
Saw this trio last night at a grind show - bass / drums / vocals and they were great. Bought their LP and new tape as well. Was really solid. GREAT live band.
https://uncleray.bandcamp.com/album/ii (https://uncleray.bandcamp.com/album/ii)
Just got turned on to this INCREDIBLE Spanish band called Barcelona - wonderful mix of United Mutation, Italian hardcore and general fucking out there weirdness. Artwork is top notch. LOVING this band. I have the new LP that is even more raw and blown out.
https://barcelona.bandcamp.com/album/extremo-nihilismo-en-barcelona (https://barcelona.bandcamp.com/album/extremo-nihilismo-en-barcelona)
Quote from: holy ghost on January 23, 2018, 01:19:58 AM
Just got turned on to this INCREDIBLE Spanish band called Barcelona - wonderful mix of United Mutation, Italian hardcore and general fucking out there weirdness. Artwork is top notch. LOVING this band. I have the new LP that is even more raw and blown out.
https://barcelona.bandcamp.com/album/extremo-nihilismo-en-barcelona (https://barcelona.bandcamp.com/album/extremo-nihilismo-en-barcelona)
Caught them at NDY two years ago. The set was OK but the vocalist was killer.
excellent reminds me a lot of an old school Italian hc band named Chain reaction. check their 7" Gabbie. It was suggested to me by Porcell in the late 80s and became one of my absolute cults.
That Chain Reaction 7" is great. Found a copy a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJ7lnU2gdk
Some of the nastiest, fuzzed-out punk ever recorded!
Impossible to find classic. But there's also a reissue from a few years back..
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 27, 2018, 03:12:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJ7lnU2gdk
Some of the nastiest, fuzzed-out punk ever recorded!
this is awesome!
getting a Mighty Sphincter vibe off that. spooky. gothy. deathcore, or whatever that's called.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 27, 2018, 11:58:55 PM
getting a Mighty Sphincter vibe off that. spooky. gothy. deathcore, or
Fair descriptor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVcWrieM_2E&t=703s
Great, regardless.
If we're talking spooky punk that isn't for teenage emos, then look no further than Cape Ov Bats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INjW66M4sqg
From Philadelphia by way of ROI I believe. Awesome raw punk heavily influenced by G.I.S.M. and LLN bands. The band shares members with Devil Master (black/heavy metal) and Blank Spell (United Mutation-I guess- style hardcore) who are all worth checking out.
Vile Gash full-length that is just over 10 minutes long:
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/nightmare-in-a-damaged-brain
Feels longer while listening. Much prefer the vocals in VG over a lot of the other similar bands..
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 04, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Vile Gash full-length that is just over 10 minutes long:
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/nightmare-in-a-damaged-brain
Feels longer while listening. Much prefer the vocals in VG over a lot of the other similar bands..
I tend to stay away from YA bands the last couple of years - not sure why. But this sounds really good!
Was listening to the new Extended Hell 7" yesterday - good stuff!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_SUi58VKnE
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 04, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Vile Gash full-length that is just over 10 minutes long:
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/nightmare-in-a-damaged-brain
Feels longer while listening. Much prefer the vocals in VG over a lot of the other similar bands..
Awesome. The whole new YA drop is cool, always dug that label. The artwork for that Surburbanite LP looks like something from a recent Ministry album or something, tasteless but I love it (Surburbanite, NOT Ministry...)
I have 2 VG 7"s. Didn't know they were still around. Great band..
Quote from: urall on March 04, 2018, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on March 04, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Vile Gash full-length that is just over 10 minutes long:
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/nightmare-in-a-damaged-brain
Feels longer while listening. Much prefer the vocals in VG over a lot of the other similar bands..
I tend to stay away from YA bands the last couple of years - not sure why. But this sounds really good.
Well, what I know is that one member of VG knows Mark McCoy since his Charles Bronson days, probably even before YA existed. I feel like most YA bands' members weren't even born before YA's inception. The last YA band I listened to besides VG is probably Bucket Full Of Teeth. I hate this label and its records that all sound like shit.
I have to disagree.. lots of great bands/releases.. Veins, The Oath, Salvation, Failures, Cult Ritual, Hoax, Raw Nerve, Suburbanite, The Ropes, Civilized, La Piovra..
Marxbros feat members of man lifting banner, larm and spazz
fucking hell
New Gasp CD arrived yesterday, holy fuck it's so cool. Hopefully an album this year?
Still one of the most exciting bands in that whole scene.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 06, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
I have to disagree.. lots of great bands/releases.. Veins, The Oath, Salvation, Failures, Cult Ritual, Hoax, Raw Nerve, Suburbanite, The Ropes, Civilized, La Piovra..
I don't like any of them besides La Piovra (and L'Amico Di Martucci too) and I mean, where are those bands today or what influence did they leave? Most of them were only of interest for kids who thought buying an overpriced SQRM trashbag was cool and catered to them.
I love hardcore but I can't get into any of that.
Just for the sheer fuck youness
https://pansydivision.bandcamp.com/album/thats-so-gay
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 06, 2018, 04:18:34 PM
Marxbros feat members of man lifting banner, larm and spazz
fucking hell
https://marxbros.bandcamp.com/album/split-12
Quote from: holy ghost on March 06, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
New Gasp CD arrived yesterday, holy fuck it's so cool. Hopefully an album this year?
Still one of the most exciting bands in that whole scene.
for sure
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 06, 2018, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 06, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
I have to disagree.. lots of great bands/releases.. Veins, The Oath, Salvation, Failures, Cult Ritual, Hoax, Raw Nerve, Suburbanite, The Ropes, Civilized, La Piovra..
I don't like any of them besides La Piovra (and L'Amico Di Martucci too) and I mean, where are those bands today or what influence did they leave? Most of them were only of interest for kids who thought buying an overpriced SQRM trashbag was cool and catered to them.
I love hardcore but I can't get into any of that.
My Friend Jeroen, who played for a couple of those bands (Veins, The Oath, Failures) has been an active member of the scene since the late 80s / early 90s. Not so much these days but still likes the old classics..Don't know where the others are and i don't really care. All my favorite hardcore bands recorded 1 or 2 good 7"s and then disappeared or moved on.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on February 27, 2018, 03:12:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJ7lnU2gdk
Some of the nastiest, fuzzed-out punk ever recorded!
Kind of reminds of No Milk On Tuesday, especially the vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELntJ0U2pc
hey , wasn't some dude playing for Vitamin X on this forum? or was on troniks?
I don't think so. I played in Mainstrike, Reaching Forward and a few other bands..
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 07, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
I don't think so. I played in Mainstrike, Reaching Forward and a few other bands..
Hah cool, i remember seeing (and maybe even playing with..can't remember) Mainstrike in some squatted school in the 90's.
Quote from: urall on March 07, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 07, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
I don't think so. I played in Mainstrike, Reaching Forward and a few other bands..
Hah cool, i remember seeing (and maybe even playing with..can't remember) Mainstrike in some squatted school in the 90's.
Which band were you in? I remember playing a squatted school in Veldhoven where i was blown away by Drop Dead..
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 07, 2018, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: urall on March 07, 2018, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 07, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
I don't think so. I played in Mainstrike, Reaching Forward and a few other bands..
Hah cool, i remember seeing (and maybe even playing with..can't remember) Mainstrike in some squatted school in the 90's.
Which band were you in? I remember playing a squatted school in Veldhoven where i was blown away by Drop Dead..
That was the show! I played in a grindcore band called Cornucopia. We played in that school more than once i think, don't recall if we played that show, nonetheless killer evening.
I love listening to Punk and hardcore music of the 90's. Music of the past makes you alive unlike the music today, it sucks..
Quote from: holy ghost on March 06, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
New Gasp CD arrived yesterday, holy fuck it's so cool. Hopefully an album this year?
Still one of the most exciting bands in that whole scene.
Word! Totally unique band and I love all eras.
I've been listening to a lot of Anti-Cimex, Disclose and and this newer Boston band called Sadist lately. Very fitting music for wet drearyness of early spring. The Anti-Cimex demos really are genious. Heavy, fast and tense but with that strange sinister rock 'n' roll vibe.
Pissed off skinhead punk from Australia!!
Reckless Aggression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sjUiByaQVM
While I enjoyed that new GASP material, I don't feel it has anything to do with hardcore. Doesn't matter to me, but people should probably know before they go into it.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 17, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
While I enjoyed that new GASP material, I don't feel it has anything to do with hardcore. Doesn't matter to me, but people should probably know before they go into it.
I've heard mutterings that people were finding this new stuff kind of a letdown, I would be more let down if they started doing exactly the same thing as before just in 2018. I really liked this CD a lot.... it's exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for from them.
Down a big Death (band) and Swedish death metal rabbit hole...
Skitsystem 1st 7", 10", and 1st album. The sound and energy on that 1st 7" is so huge.
Capitalist Casualties - A Collection Of Out-Of-Print Singles, Split EP's And Compilation Tracks. Best band. Sad days.
Having a strong nostalgic kick lately. This recording of Forming is addictive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHMUvS4fCls
Was wondering if anyone could recommend some music similar to this track. The first band that came to mind is Raspberry Bulbs but I have listened to them over and over - looking for other artists that may have been glossed over by most. Thanks in advance.
Also very into the japanese stuff from the 80's like Confuse and Gess if anyone has other rec's in that department. Cheers
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Also very into the japanese stuff from the 80's like Confuse and Gess if anyone has other rec's in that department. Cheers
If we're talking 80's in particular, check out Gai, Kuro, No Cut, Tranquilizer, Gudon's flexi, State Children, Coward, Z...
Enough fuzz to fry your brains out.
Sarcastic - Corps in Decomposition 1993 - I thought I might be running into something I could love and be as fascinated with as Confusion "Hopeless", but nope - wasn't feeling this one (today).
Professor - Academizer 1993 - I didn't think much of this back then, but today, I was WAY into it; finding it funny that someone re-released it on 3"CD in 2003 as is, with no bonus tracks of any sort. Anyone know the story on this one-off group? Were they in other bands and just wanted to do some grindcore falling apart at the seams that is simultaneously adept (quite a feat to make it feel like both). I believe Neil Nordstrom of MRR fame played this one up real big at the time.
Just picked up a seriously great LP by PADAROSDA from Budapest, album is called Tetova Lelkek on Static Age. Raw punk meeting early Killing Joke with maybe some Kaaos/Riistetyt influences thrown in.
https://padkarosda.bandcamp.com/ (https://padkarosda.bandcamp.com/)
Also just getting on board with Lebenden Totens work and fuck me for missing out, this band is hella tight.
On a huge Integrity kick for the first time in a while. One of my favourite bands, and Dwid is an incredibly interesting character.
This is one of their least "hardcore" tracks, but the solos are incredible, so GISM and NWOBHM influence!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d8kz_Kv_QY
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on May 06, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Quote from: Neanderthal
Also very into the japanese stuff from the 80's like Confuse and Gess if anyone has other rec's in that department. Cheers
If we're talking 80's in particular, check out Gai, Kuro, No Cut, Tranquilizer, Gudon's flexi, State Children, Coward, Z...
Enough fuzz to fry your brains out.
+ LSD
Seeing some Japanese classics being discussed has got me wanting to plug a few of my old bands here. Production quality should appeal to posters here if nothing else.
Golden Path
https://goldenpath.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2014 (https://goldenpath.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2014)
Skin Colour
https://skincolour.bandcamp.com (https://skincolour.bandcamp.com)
Quote from: a_2_g_2 on March 17, 2018, 08:25:17 PM
Pissed off skinhead punk from Australia!!
Reckless Aggression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sjUiByaQVM
Meatdog's latest punk endeavor, easily as pissed:
https://schadenfreude.bandcamp.com/
Greek punk...
ΑΠΝΟΙΑ - Θρίαμβος του Μίσους 2018
ΑΠΝΟΙΑ - Ωδή στο Χάος 2016
Both albums are really good. I'm impressed. Haven't checked out their other stuff yet. It's all on bandcamp. The opening track on Ωδή στο Χάος, at 1:45, sounds like something Cro-Mags or Leeway would write. Crush the Demoniac breakdown? Could just be the thrashy and metallic vibe and tone. Gave me deja vu. Sort of crusty. Sort of heavy. Definitely not straight-forward HC or punk. Lots of elements here with quality execution.
City Hunter's long awaited LP has finally dropped on YA.
Serial Killer Beherit-ish hardcore-punk that delivers terror!!!
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/deep-blood
Quote from: seventhcircle on October 31, 2018, 07:37:57 AM
City Hunter's long awaited LP has finally dropped on YA.
Serial Killer Beherit-ish hardcore-punk that delivers terror!!!
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/deep-blood
Ordered earlier today. The artwork is incredible, can't wait to listen to it.
Shipwrecked.
fucking brilliant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQGV074zLU
Sial from Singapore have released a killer 12" and 7" on La Vida en Mus - comparisons to other bands are simple but it sounds like the singer of The Comes over a wild Italian hardcore band. Definitely a record I'm glad I tracked down.
Cold Meat from Australia released a banger 7" called "Pork Sword Forever" and I'm usually not into this garage-y style of punk (anymore) but this hits all points in a very satisfactory manner.
Picked up a 7" and demo 12" by Chain Cult from Greece, good gloomy post punk that almost veers into Misfits-esque horror punk.
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 31, 2018, 02:36:20 PM
Shipwrecked.
fucking brilliant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQGV074zLU
Will see them live next saturday with Templars, Shark Attack and many others..
Mobs from Japan. New to me; I don't think I've ever seen the band name mentioned before today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVH60nh9Zg
The Impalers have a Poison Idea thing going on that is pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyrxi4FPdOg
Still need that Clay 7".. Great record!!
IN SYDNEY AUSTRALIA WE ARE SEEING ALOT OF DUDES FROM HARDCORE AND PUNK BANDS STARTING NOISE BANDS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS
WE HAVE A FEW GOOD ONES AT PRESENT FROM THE PUNK SCENE
ELECTRO SURGERY//NOISE UNIT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSz58WDMz3c&t=173s
BASS TRAITOR
TOTAL SELF INDULGENCE
TURDS OF PREY
BONE TURD
DEATHSAW
I ALSO RUN A LONG TIME PUNK/HARDCORE RECORD LABEL WHICH HAS OVER THE YEARS AND CURRENTLY BEEN RELEASING A FEW NOISE TAPES
INNERCITYUPRISING.BANDCAMP.COM
this is an old band but new to me, PYHÄKOULU from good ol suomi, lots of "familiar" riffs as it were but changed up by minor barre chords and really nice female vocals, been playing this back to back all week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeT7yTQ5a6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeT7yTQ5a6k)
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Quote from: tiny_tove on October 31, 2018, 02:36:20 PM
Shipwrecked.
fucking brilliant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQGV074zLU
Will see them live next saturday with Templars, Shark Attack and many others..
how was it? Templars are cool. Phil had connection with my town since he has been long time collaborator of Asociale, local Oi! heroes I contributed forming. we are waiting him to come and visit next year.
have been listening a lot to Violent reaction
Quote from: l.b. on November 12, 2018, 06:49:43 AM
this is an old band but new to me, PYHÄKOULU from good ol suomi, lots of "familiar" riffs as it were but changed up by minor barre chords and really nice female vocals, been playing this back to back all week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeT7yTQ5a6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeT7yTQ5a6k)
Great band. The bootleg version of the Pyhäkoulu / Abortti 13 split 7" also has extra tracks from Kolmas Päivä (old and obscure sloppy hardcore) on it, which are soooo amazing. A discography LP of Kolmas Päivä just came out.
Let's see if it lasts but I'm currently very much into Self Deconstruction from Japan. Maniacal "free-style grind-violence" which seems to have just enough of the free part to keep it in the brink of collapsing without having any kind of noisecore or Naked City type of sound. Not yet heard the new LP since I don't have the cash right now but I've been listening to this split alot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuXTG_CUWEQ. The Capitalist Casualties cover rules.
NIGHTMARE from Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02kG5-BN1c
Pretty sure I've run across them before but didn't listen to the full-length.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 12, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
NIGHTMARE from Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02kG5-BN1c
Pretty sure I've run across them before but didn't listen to the full-length.
Absolute classic band, and one of my introductions to international DIY Punk/HC.
This track remains my favourite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufxl1NoZIcc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufxl1NoZIcc)
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on November 12, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
This track remains my favourite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufxl1NoZIcc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufxl1NoZIcc)
Yes, great 7". Saw them live in 2006, still raging.
There are so many great Japanese HC bands with just demos or only comp tracks. You could spend a month or two filtering through just all the MCR and Discrete comps (youtube has a surprising number of them if you don't own them yourself); let alone all the other lesser known labels with great comps. Highly recommended, and fun, listening project. The 90's treasure chest is so deep.
DxRxIx - Dirty Rotten (LP) 1983 - wanted to listen to the EP version, but I only have the LP version - it's too bad they switched the order and added tracks in reissue - "Sad to Be" is such a steamroller way to open.
Can anyone recommend fast Spanish hc punk like Orden Mundial, Nueva Fuerza and Destino Final?
Destino Final isn't fast Spanish punk (although they were awesome, and so was the pre Destino Final band Invasion.) Catalunya had a bunch of killer fast hardcore punk bands in the 80's, such has HHH, GRB, Subterranean Kids, Kangrena, Anti-Dogmatikss, Shit SA etc... However, the Basque Country had a bunch of even faster bands back then, such as Ruido De Rabia, Último Gobierno, Tortura Sistemátika, Eizen, Autodefensa, etc... They kept this tradition of super fast hardcore punk. The amount of bands like that out there still is insane.
While we're at it, you should also check bands such as E-150, Toreros After Olé, TDK, RIP, Radikal HC, Karkaba, Gaitze or Sudor as they might be up your alley.
I'd like to introduce you some of the classic hc / punk bands from my country - Serbia, mostly from 80s and early 90. I'll start with BRAINSTORM...
BRAINSTORM - from Belgrade, capital of Serbia, heavily influenced by British HC (Heresy, Ripcord...) and rooted in early thrash metal. Social and political surroundings made them the strongly political band with lyrics focused on civil war here on Balkans in the years that followed. Drummer Uros also played in cult Serbian grindcore band Acroholia and early U.R.G.H!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jOfJNEKnp3c/hqdefault.jpg)
A side from their 1989. demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-yxVoZziz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-yxVoZziz4)
Another one worth mentioning is HERPES DISTRESS - raw, noisy and also chaotic hc from early 80s, similar to Finnish hardcore at the same time. Check it out, this is really killer!
Demo from 1982:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BM2CWB7QFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BM2CWB7QFE)
probably not the most shared opinion on here, but even though i like hardcore, i really prefer the early punk rock - and proto-punk, especially the sleazy 70s bands. never get tired of stuff like the first dead boys lp, old (of course) new york dolls, crime, the stooges, first mc5 lp, velvet underground (if they count as proto-punk..), early cramps, even early ramones and i also have a thing for the weirder, trashier part of post-punk like swell maps and early the fall
Tonight it's been Balthasar Gerards Kommando, Raw Power, Rattus, Septic Death, EU's Arse, Protes Bengt and a whole cast of bootleg 7"s from the furious years of Italian hardcore.
I'm sure by 10 PM I'll have moved on to the P.E.A.C.E. compilation....
Quote from: holy ghost on November 28, 2018, 02:42:12 AM
Tonight it's been Balthasar Gerards Kommando, Raw Power, Rattus, Septic Death, EU's Arse, Protes Bengt and a whole cast of bootleg 7"s from the furious years of Italian hardcore.
I'm sure by 10 PM I'll have moved on to the P.E.A.C.E. compilation....
Proper.
Against - No Arms CD
A couple of the guys from Suicidal Tendencies before ST recorded the first album. Discharge and US Southern CA quasi-crust style circa 1983-1984. I love this stuff. Radio Raheem, one of my favorite running labels, released the best of this CD on LP this year. The CD and LP have nothing to do with each other, other than containing some of the same material.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 30, 2018, 11:35:18 PM
Against - No Arms CD
A couple of the guys from Suicidal Tendencies before ST recorded the first album. Discharge and US Southern CA quasi-crust style circa 1983-1984. I love this stuff. Radio Raheem, one of my favorite running labels, released the best of this CD on LP this year. The CD and LP have nothing to do with each other, other than containing some of the same material.
The guy on the first album Louiche Mayorgaformed a band called Luicidal,they have done two albums. I know they play stuff off the first 3 Suicidal albums. But this cover of Institutionalised with Ceci Bastida singing was doing the rounds on Facebook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGjrXTTtfG8
That Against is good.
Today: The first Masturbation ep! Absolutely dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6Oem_acEY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6Oem_acEY)
a funny lil record... CONCLUDE - Made in Finland 7" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOyLu2rItU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeOyLu2rItU) if i remember right japanese pretending to be finnish?? doesnt really sound like either style though. nice 'flat' guitar tone, catchy riffs, funny vocals, it's good! worth it for the track "muay thai" alone
Yacopsae, Y...blistering German HC thrash. I miss this stuff, but maybe there's enough and I'm just being nostalgic. Nuclear Cult, Crack Under Pressure, Solid Decline, Skrupel. If you'd asked me a couple days ago, I would have included Stack in this, but after listening to the discography yesterday, I realized they were a smart hybrid of Capitalist Casualties and Rorschachian, gasoline HC (that I ignorantly, and quickly, associate only with Bremen and Per Koro). When stacked on a discography, it was easier [for me] to hear that. HUGE on that whole gasolined German thing too. Can never get enough of that stuff either, including the prog direction of Ambush, Acheborn, etc.
That Carol/Stack split with the Venom/Slayer rip off art is HUGE. Carol side especially. I loved that record so much as a teenager.
Carol just released an LP that I don't quite understand. I'm interested in anything they do, so...
The Plot comp...I love that comp.
i love Yacöpsae, Stack, Carol and all those bands. My last band even covered Stack's 'Intransigent'.
some more fast unknown (perhaps ?) German bands should you not be familiar yet
- Hartsoeker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=jQsQld0CwE8
- Luzifers Mob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dltcKHvtOY
- Pink Flamingos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6hNJW9gWrU
...
Saw Carol live one afternoon in Belgium playing a great set. Acme member(s) if i remember correctly..
Quote from: urall on December 06, 2018, 12:28:04 AM
i love Yacöpsae, Stack, Carol and all those bands. My last band even covered Stack's 'Intransigent'.
some more fast unknown (perhaps ?) German bands should you not be familiar yet
- Hartsoeker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=jQsQld0CwE8
- Luzifers Mob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dltcKHvtOY
- Pink Flamingos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6hNJW9gWrU
...
I'm familiar with Luzifer's Mob and Pink Flamingos. The Luzifer's 7" is a standout of the 90s. It flat-out smokes. Their Closer Your Eyes tracks are a little rougher. The split with Golgatha isn't quite up to that speed, but I that is a very good album regardless. That Plot comp was such a quality marker, for as much as a single LP can be, for the German scene at the time. I'm glad you mentioned them. I didn't realize there was a discography out. I hadn't heard of Hartsoeker though. New to me.
The Eyehatelucy/Hartsoeker split is really good although I like the EHL side more. Lots of other great bands mentioned, have to check out Carol and Pink Flamingos. tUMULt is a great fast german band also.
Got stuck on DxRxIx Crossover and Excel Split Image and The Joke's on You the past few days. Crossover is one of those perfect albums for me. I like everything up through 4 of a Kind, but Crossover hit me square-on at the time. Even the graphicy and odd cover hit me right. I can't believe I cannot find a Crossover T-shirt or even a Crossover patch. I don't wear band shirts anymore, but I was so deep the other day that I wanted a shirt anyway. I never really went past 4 of a Kind, but I found myself enjoying Thrashzone purely on the merits of Felix and Spike's playing styles. The songs aren't that great, and Kurt is far too wordy for those songs. Still, Spike's playing is so incredibly smooth, and Felix was full of interesting ideas and his signature fills. I've never heard anything beyond that, but I plan to remedy that. Which leads me to The Joke's on You. Most point to Excel's tracks on Welcome to Venice and Split Image, which are both great as well, but in a similar vein to Crossover, The Joke's on You is sharp in every way. I just love that album. Next stop was DrxKnow Wreckage in Flesh. Then The Accused - Martha Splatterhead's Maddest Stories Ever Told. I think of these four albums in the same gulp...there's Crossover...then a stutter as I marvel at it...and then The Joke's on You, Wreckage in Flesh, and Martha Splatterhead's Maddest Stories Ever Told in an unsteady succession. It's that crossover guitar tone that also has a heaviness to it that is unique. Wreckage in Flesh is such a battering thunderstorm of ideas and high quality.
Next stop was all things Holy Terror...but that is for another thread. They did a tour with DxRxIx to support Mind Wars. They stopped all those punks in their tracks.
I've really come around on Thrash Zone - I used to write it off that it wasn't fast enough, or near in quality to Dealing With It or Crossover - totally agree on all counts about how great Crossover is - been a consistent fav around these parts for as long as I can remember. Somehow I kept Thrash Zone, sold all my Municipal Waste records and flipped Four of a Kind. Thankfully it's not "in demand" so I'll probably rebuy it if I see it and try again.
I fished out my Septic Death Records recently. I remember these records were always so highly priced and huge eBay sellers and I barely remember them. They're..... okay - I'd never flip them but I doubt I'd come back to that often. I'd honestly say I hadn't listened to them since the 90's.
Raw Power's Scream From The Gutter is never far from my recentl listening pile but I went apeshit on it recently and played it a couple times a day for a week. For my money, the best Italian hardcore record ever made and up there as a top 5 hardcore record of all time.
The thing about Thrashzone that is clearly different than past DxRxIx albums is that Spike is now playing a different style of riff. It's more chugga-chugga-chugga picking, rather than his sweeping, seamlessly smooth style of riffing that was the cornerstone of Crossover and most of 4 of a Kind. If I was a guitarist, I'd know what these styles are called. One is clearly defined movement, whereas the other is this flowing movement up and down the fret board. That's how I hear it anyway.
Septic Death is a weird one to me. I wanted to hear them because of Pushed and Puszone. Skate Rock Volume 3 - Wild Riders Of Boards was a teaser with "Burial" and "Thaw". That's where I first heard them, and it was taken from mystique to reality. When I finally heard them in more quantity, there wasn't as much impact as I thought there would be. Point being, I can see why they don't get a lot of listening. Give me a couple of songs as a reminder, and then move onto something else.
edit: Italian HC. I was so late to it. Raw Power would have been first exposure. They had US distribution, but I never ran into their albums. You weren't going to run into a Declino record. I can only imagine how taken I would have been seeing the Screaming record cover. I would have certainly saved for it and bought it, but it never passed through my fingers. So many bands and styles were made regional because of distribution and record store availability.
Showtime recently ran four music documentaries. Jeff Beck. Korn. GG Allin. Agnostic Front. Interesting group, but I think they were chosen as much for the style and perspective of documentary as the artists. I've only watched a few minutes of the Agnostic Front, when they were following Stigma around his apartment building and his neighborhood. Been listening to a bunch of AF and a little Madball. I like Matt Henderson as a NYHC guitarist. It's too bad One Voice has such wonky drum production. That's something I personally can't handle too well. AF has had weird drum production all the way back from Cause for Alarm, but this is too much. The Ball of Destruction 7" has some of my favorite HC mastering. Fine granules and raw. They did a decent job on the CD reissues, but if you want to hear that material in all its glory, you have to listen to the 7". However, the bonus WFMU tracks on the CD are great and make the CD worth hearing. The Droppin' Many Suckers MLP is better than I remembered it. I found it interesting because I absolutely fucking HATE the hippidy-hoppidy HC beat so prevalent in so much NYHC metal/metalcore in the 90s, yet because of the slower tempos on this MLP, they aren't such a distracting annoyance. As much as I can tell, Biohazard put that crap in play. I don't think I've ever heard Set It Off, and because I know that beat is probably everywhere on it, I'm hesitant to try it.
Did anyone buy themselves a Cro-Mags x-mas crewneck sweatshirt? Check out Harley's instagram to see it. I found it genuinely funny.
My favourite new hardcore band is Geld from Australia; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHqg64VLEf4
Raw, primitive & fast!
Not like I forgot how good it was or anything, but this came up while my phone was on shuffle today and I was instantly reminded of how it's one of the best punk/hardcore/pv records of this century: https://ironlungpv.bandcamp.com/album/hemorrhaging-light-lp-lungs-054
I'll have to check out that Agnostic Front documentary - I'd be very interested in seeing it. I'm an "early stuff only" kind of fellow - I picked up the No One Rules LP with the Don Fury sessions a couple of years ago and I don't know if I even spun it more than once. I feel like it's been years since I even gave this band the slightest bit of attention. Really a case where their longevity as a band dampens any interest in their historical relevance. Which is a real shame. I'll have to break out that bootleg LP I have and give it a spin.
I went through a real phase of relistening to the first couple Dillinger Four LPs - at one point this was the only "pop punk" band that mattered to me. They toured with Leagerface in 2000 or so - I caught like four shows on that tour. Their excessive use of sound bytes hasn't aged well but fuck me this band could write a goddamned hook. I totally fell off after Vs. God though. Definitely a once a year sort of band.
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I went through a real phase of relistening to the first couple Dillinger Four LPs - at one point this was the only "pop punk" band that mattered to me. They toured with Leagerface in 2000 or so - I caught like four shows on that tour. Their excessive use of sound bytes hasn't aged well but fuck me this band could write a goddamned hook. I totally fell off after Vs. God though. Definitely a once a year sort of band.
Good people. Great shows. I've never heard them outside of live.
I don't follow Russian music much. I know almost nothing about Russian punk. I'm interested now that I'm pretty jazzed about Fatum and Distress.
What I do recognize is that Fatum is a good, sharply capable band. You can tell they, or someone(s) in the band, have a great ear for homage and mimicry. They seem like a band that is having fun, playing their influences. That's not to say they aren't serious in their pursuits, though. They wouldn't get the results if they were just screwing around. Their 2018 album, Edge of the Wild, is my favorite so far. It's a combination of Venom/Cronos vocals with a good dose of Nausea/Roy drumming and Nausea songs and feel. Check out the album opener. Whoever does their production, and possibly the same person/people with that smart ear, really knows how to get a sound. I sense the singer is one of those people who can do impressions. If you listen to this new album, and then go back and listen to their Hellhammer and Bathory covers, you can tell he has a talent for mimicking a voice. They're thorough. They also have a cool Sedition/Scatha/Scottish visual aesthetic that I appreciate.
New to me, though they just celebrated a 15 year anniversary, is Distress. I have to mention them in the same frame as Fatum because they also have a great ear for sound. That talent stands out. I haven't heard everything they've done, but so far, I've heard high quality Dis- and 90's Swedish HC. I'm liking what I've heard a lot. I sort of went down a hole with the Distress members, checking out Cyanide and Karzer; both being quality as well.
Any other bands that stand out to you?
I bought a PLL and that's taken me on a total youtube trip back in time to The Locust - I loved that 7" and the split with MITB but sort of fell off after the first LP - but holy fuck it's shocking how great they sound 20 years later. Also crazy that they toured with Assuck in 1998-ish. I saw them in the suburbs at a community centre in the suburbs on that tour (my dad had to drive me out there!!) and damn. Their newer records are GREAT. I picked up Plague Soundscapes and New Erections and I've been fucking loving them. Gotta track down the rest of the post 2000 splits and shit now. I don't love all the screechy vocals but the musicianship on these records is so tight. It's especially surprising how their less grindy stuff is so cool.
That took me to Melt Banana who I also used to love a ton. Played that Slap-a-Ham 7" and the record that came with the temporary tattoo. I haven't checked out anything past 2002 or so and I plan on hitting the ol' Youtube tomorrow to check out some newer stuff.
RE: noisy punk...
I'm pretty much okay with the noisy punk trend of the last few years. I don't have a huge appetite for it, though. Good thing it didn't happen twenty years ago. I think the key to it standing out is the drummer. Needs lots of fills. LOTS...OF...FILLS. Like Frigora's 12". Listened to Physique's last couple of records. Punk Life is Shit is a good example of how it works well. Any other examples like that?
Barcelona from Barcelona are really great - I'm certain I've mentioned them before but their stuff takes the Italian HC formula and drenches it in feedback and then add a wild out of control drummer to the mix. Definitely not dis-clone noisy but real raw and both LPs are awesome.
When I was in Hungary last year I saw a show where Suicidas played and they share the same bass player, unbeknownst to me until I was chatting with them, he was super nice but seemed kind of baffled that I was so into his other, super noisy band.....
Been on a total bender for Born Against, Citizens Arrest, Rorschach, Uranus, His Hero Is Gone and dabbling with a little Moss Icon to throw a little emo into things lately. The 90's may not have a favourable nostalgia the 80's do for hardcore but they managed to crank out a few RAGERS here and there.
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Uranus
Canadian classics!!!
Yes! Going to assume both of you to celebrate the One Eyed God Prophecy as I do...
Oh yeah - great LP. I'll pass on the Born Dead Icons, however....
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Uranus
Canadian classics!!!
Yes! Going to assume both of you to celebrate the One Eyed God Prophecy as I do...
Oh yeah - great LP. I'll pass on the Born Dead Icons, however....
Gotta disagree with you there. Have always loved BDI. Still own all of their stuff and, funny enough, the singer lives in the flat above mine.
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Uranus
Canadian classics!!!
Yes! Going to assume both of you to celebrate the One Eyed God Prophecy as I do...
Oh yeah - great LP. I'll pass on the Born Dead Icons, however....
Gotta disagree with you there. Have always loved BDI. Still own all of their stuff and, funny enough, the singer lives in the flat above mine.
I know there's lots of love for them here in Montreal, but Born Dead Icons on that Bolt Thrower / Razor / Abyss gig in London, ON a couple years back... painfully boring!
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Uranus
Canadian classics!!!
Yes! Going to assume both of you to celebrate the One Eyed God Prophecy as I do...
Oh yeah - great LP. I'll pass on the Born Dead Icons, however....
Gotta disagree with you there. Have always loved BDI. Still own all of their stuff and, funny enough, the singer lives in the flat above mine.
I know there's lots of love for them here in Montreal, but Born Dead Icons on that Bolt Thrower / Razor / Abyss gig in London, ON a couple years back... painfully boring!
Reunion gig? hahaha I can't say that surprises me at all but I stand by the recorded material.
That reunion show was very bad but I'd never clicked with them previously either. I'd seen them in Toronto once or twice I think too "back in the day" and never clicked then either.
Thinking about BDI - they were on "Dead Alive" Records - I know they folded rather quickly but I ordered from them quite a bit and remember loving that Degenerics LP - I'll have to pull that one out and see how it holds up. And the Think I Care LP - I remember that one point that band was absolutely great.
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Barcelona from Barcelona are really great - I'm certain I've mentioned them before but their stuff takes the Italian HC formula and drenches it in feedback and then add a wild out of control drummer to the mix. Definitely not dis-clone noisy but real raw and both LPs are awesome.
I've heard the Extremo Nihilismo album, but not their 7" or newer album. I like their sense of album art on top of it all. I've heard the 2nd album is a bit more arty. The vocalist is rabid. Great energy. Thanks for the reminder.
In sheer volume, the 90s is loaded with greats.
At the time, I was a bit disappointed with One Eyed God Prophecy, but now, I don't feel that way at all. I can listen to that all day long. Same with Drift.
I could never get into Born Dead Icons, but that could all be different now. I should revisit them. I seem to remember one of the albums really standing out?
edit: went down a little rabbit hole with Barcelona...then Anarquía Vertical and Disface. Such urgent, angry, out of the ordinary hardcore with...I don't know...arty/creative and weirdly churning guitars and sense of song. That'll probably turn people off to trying them, but I hope not. So, so good. As I remembered, the vocalist comes across as truly indignant...hardcore on 11.
Went to see Lebenden Toten last Friday in LA, first time seeing them play in 8 years or so. Still excellent, one of the best noise punk bands around. 9 Shocks Terror played too, which was great but very strange. Hadn't seen them in maybe 15 years? I don't even know if/when they're playing other gigs.
I sold a lot of my Ebullition records but went on a YouTube binge - Struggle, Downcast, etc. I don't think I regret selling these as it was definitely a very specific sound I don't gravitate to. My favourite release of theirs is definitely the Spitboy/Crudos material. The Crudos material is obviously great but the Spitboy material is fucking great too. Definitely a band that was really pushing boundaries, musically and politically. That LP was one of the first "real" hardcore records I bought and it really resonates well.
I also have a bunch of other 90's stuff on my listening pile, In/Humanity 1st LP, Monster X, I need to do a real run through of my 7"s and pull out some zingers. One band I always loved visually was Devoid of Faith - I flipped all those as well but I think a Youtube runthrough would be sufficient.
One LP I legit regret flipping was the Food Not Bombs Benefit LP - there was some seriously raging screamo shit on there.
I love Devoid Of Faith!
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Born Against, Citizens Arrest, Rorschach
Throw Life's Blood, Absolution, and some other odds and ends from 88-91 and you're really cooking with fire.
Here's a sick double EP from Norway in the late 90's that never quite got it's due. Always kinda reminded me of Born Against and some of the more melodic qualities of HHIG. Definitely has some kind of "emotive" riffing but is still firmly a hardcore record.
Jin'Rik'Sha 2x7"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtqtkgT9vcY
Also recommend other contemporaneous NO business like Kort Prosess, Alltid Jaget, and raging older bands like So Much Hate, and Kafka Prosess.
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Born Against, Citizens Arrest, Rorschach
Throw Life's Blood, Absolution, and some other odds and ends from 88-91 and you're really cooking with fire.
Here's a sick double EP from Norway in the late 90's that never quite got it's due. Always kinda reminded me of Born Against and some of the more melodic qualities of HHIG. Definitely has some kind of "emotive" riffing but is still firmly a hardcore record.
Jin'Rik'Sha 2x7"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtqtkgT9vcY
Also recommend other contemporaneous NO business like Kort Prosess, Alltid Jaget, and raging older bands like So Much Hate, and Kafka Prosess.
Absolutely agree. Heartfirst was a really good label with great aesthetic for its Norwegian HC releases. I've felt that Kort Process and the Norwegian melodic sound, along with the Result (Japan) album, were key influences in where Tragedy and Union of Uranus found their footing. If writing a history of hardcore in the 90s, I feel it necessary to mention Heartfirst because of the Norwegian HC releases in particular and this notion of their influence in one of the biggest bands, and most prolific styles, to come out of that decade. Would their be
eurocrust, or was it
epicrust, without those Heartfirst releases and those bands?
As an aside, Finland's Unkind went from rather generic epicrust (Mieliemme Tuhkasta, Ei Mitään) to using that sound to make an album or two of interesting and very good albums (Hangen Syliin especially and Yhteiskunnan Pikkuvikoja lesser so). Unkind also incorporated Swedish HC trends of the time more and more. Sort of in the direction of the great Livet Ar Den Langsta Vagen Till Helvetet.
If you like the polished, metallic sound of classic Polish punk, ala Post Regiment etc, a really good album from 2018 was Morus - Ciało Obce. Members of a bunch of bands, including Post Regiment. Great female vocals. I forgot it off my "best of 2018" list. I like it quite a bit more than their demo from 2016.
Kieltolaki - Elämänvalhe 2018 - one of my favorite hardcore bands from Finland. Didn't know this was released until yesterday. High quality EP.
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If you like the polished, metallic sound of classic Polish punk, ala Post Regiment etc, a really good album from 2018 was Morus - Ciało Obce. Members of a bunch of bands, including Post Regiment. Great female vocals. I forgot it off my "best of 2018" list. I like it quite a bit more than their demo from 2016.
I'll definitely give this a listen, Post Regiment is a favorite from years back for certain.
Finnish noisy hardcore goodness, Raamattu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNwAqwkaOpU
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Born Against, Citizens Arrest, Rorschach
Throw Life's Blood, Absolution, and some other odds and ends from 88-91 and you're really cooking with fire.
Here's a sick double EP from Norway in the late 90's that never quite got it's due. Always kinda reminded me of Born Against and some of the more melodic qualities of HHIG. Definitely has some kind of "emotive" riffing but is still firmly a hardcore record.
Jin'Rik'Sha 2x7"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtqtkgT9vcY
Also recommend other contemporaneous NO business like Kort Prosess, Alltid Jaget, and raging older bands like So Much Hate, and Kafka Prosess.
Knuste Ruter are the best current Norsk HC band keeping the old flame alive in my humble opinion. Then there's Kolokol, Ordrenekt, Statens Menn from the 90's...
When it comes to the older bands, Svart Framtid, Bannlyst, Barn Av Regnbuen, Siste Dagers Helvete or Data Morgana definitely deserve a mention.
And Fader War as well for being one of the earliest Discharge copycats.
Pisscharge - Edën 2018
What an awful name, but by the end of the first track, I'd forgotten that.* A little of everything here, and it is ALL good. Traditional Brazilian/South American hardcore with full-on anger and vibrant energy. 80's Crossover and thrash via tracks like "Marielle" and "Templos Malditos". Prog bass lines for pepper. Italian HC vibes. Because I hear "Crush the Demoniac" everywhere, sort of like I do various riffs from the first Dayglo Abortions' album, take this for what little it is worth, but I hear "Crush the Demoniac" in "Siglos de Sangre". Some would prefer it more raw and less full, but not me. I like the more professional, powerful sound. Nothing's sterile here. If you listen to the rehearsal tracks, which is also available via their bandcamp, you can decide for yourself.
*coincidentally in the charge, this made me think of the underrated 1996 Recharge album that also had a weak moniker and poor visual aesthetic. Musically, they have nothing in common, but the Hamburg '42 album also had unusually large production and mostly went unnoticed. I liked that album on most fronts, but mentioning it invited crickets to conversations.
listen: https://pisscharge.bandcamp.com/
more details: http://crust-demos.blogspot.com/2019/01/pisscharge-eden-lp.html
punk additions to my "best of 2018" list:
Kieltolaki - Elämänvalhe
Lifeless Dark - Who Will Be the Victims? demo (for those wanting more Sacrilege crust)
Morus - Ciało Obce
Pisscharge - Edën
listened to old RIISTETYT on shit speakers today.. forgot how great it is. even better than the swedish råpunk/käng, almost. also legendary TK 7" w/the guy bound up for w/a candle in the ass. any of you know some hidden gems of swedish/finnish HC?
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listened to old RIISTETYT on shit speakers today.. forgot how great it is. even better than the swedish råpunk/käng, almost. also legendary TK 7" w/the guy bound up for w/a candle in the ass. any of you know some hidden gems of swedish/finnish HC?
There are plenty, from Sairaat Mielet to Kolmas Paiva and Harass to the first Times Square Preachers 7".
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any of you know some hidden gems of swedish/finnish HC?
not sure about hidden, but maybe lesser known... :
* Hässäkkä - Totaalinen Vitun EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHWjNi3NVoQ
* Stress SS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBlCNqpwdMU
* Tatuerade Snutkukar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SKkYpY6wnI
* 3-way cum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRF7aFhbEp4
* Kansan Uutiset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVgz5BY_GzQ
thx for the recs!!! actually didn't know any of these..
if you want to dig into Finnish HC, run through the Fight Records catalog. of course, you can also dig through the amazing catalog of Propaganda Records.
Aaritila - Ennen Huomista 2008 - SMOKING GBH/Finnish thrash crossover.
Jarjestyshairio - s/t 1982 - gritty, raw Finnish HC.
Kylma Sota - 10 Tracks 2010 - Finnish HC - the truly buzzsaw guitars are up my alley - love the echo on the vocals - this album floors me...EVERY TIME - by far my favorite from them and a strong list consideration for "best of decade 2000-2010".
Tampere SS - check out the records on Havoc.
Totuus
Uutuus - all their records are great; the LP on Genet is...yeah, they're all great records.
Varaus – 1/1 LP
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if you want to dig into Finnish HC, run through the Fight Records catalog. of course, you can also dig through the amazing catalog of Propaganda Records.
Aaritila - Ennen Huomista 2008 - SMOKING GBH/Finnish thrash crossover.
Jarjestyshairio - s/t 1982 - gritty, raw Finnish HC.
Kylma Sota - 10 Tracks 2010 - Finnish HC - the truly buzzsaw guitars are up my alley - love the echo on the vocals - this album floors me...EVERY TIME - by far my favorite from them and a strong list consideration for "best of decade 2000-2010".
Tampere SS - check out the records on Havoc.
Totuus
Uutuus - all their records are great; the LP on Genet is...yeah, they're all great records.
Varaus – 1/1 LP
thank you for taking your time for this detalied overview man. cheers
RATTUS IHMISET ON SAIRAITA
This just arrived; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuVv1sG5B0&list=RDwFuVv1sG5B0&start_radio=1
Primitive hardcore the way I like it! 7" version of this demo on Youth Attack..
Listening a lot to Free. Despite the unoriginal name this is one of the best records I have listened to in ages. Still have to understand why they are not called Have Heart since they sound 100% alike yet more direct.
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This just arrived; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuVv1sG5B0&list=RDwFuVv1sG5B0&start_radio=1
Primitive hardcore the way I like it! 7" version of this demo on Youth Attack..
It has that early Negative Approach rawness.
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Listening a lot to Free. Despite the unoriginal name this is one of the best records I have listened to in ages. Still have to understand why they are not called Have Heart since they sound 100% alike yet more direct.
Aye check out mindforce
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl95yDR3eE0
Yes, quite like them but not a big fan of that sort of guitar sound.
currently hooked on Trappist, Chris Dodge's new beer core power violence project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPuVkEmWc7s
PHYSIQUE - Punk Life Is Shit
Booklicker - Who do you serve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEdPTSjee40
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Booklicker - Who do you serve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEdPTSjee40
I love how the band name is misspelled two different ways in both the title of the video and in your post.
But yeah, good band. Killer live. That group of people out in Kamloops are constantly churning out new and quality bands that aren't necessarily anything I normally listen to but they are dedicated to doing it the best they can, which is what counts.
Limp wrist in heavy rotation, didn't get the chance to listen their 2017 album before and love it.
I really like this new straight edge band from the UK;
https://ratedx.bandcamp.com/releases
Ex Violent Reaction
Been bouncing back and forth between D-beat and Discharge worship ala the likes of Bombraid and Recharge and early grind ala Napalm Death and Extreme Noise Terror. I didn't intend to get stuck on CD1 of Grind Madness at the BBC: The Earache Peel Sessions, but I did. The only things I'd heard from these two bands for a long time were a rehearsal tape (not sure which one) and promo video from ExNxTX (probably From One Extreme to Another). Then I picked up the Harmony Corruption/Mentally Murdered CD and worked backwards. That super poorly dubbed rehearsal caused me to be a late bloomer with Napalm Death. Still feel Harmony Corruption is warped and great and kind of screws with how I hear everything else from them.
Somewhere in there I threw in Ääritila and Slang.
Ääritila - ...Ja Kaikki Kuitenkin Päättyy Kuolemaan! 2003. Swedish/Finnish HC. UNDERRATED and HIGHLY recommended. Burley bass. Not as GBH-inspired as the second album. Both albums are great. Get 'em both.
Slang - Devastation in the Void 2014 - I say this every time I listen to Slang, so I'm guessing I've posted this in the past, but I can't figure out my relationship with this band. I think of them. I think to listen to them. I do, and then I get confused between the details and the result. It should be far better than it is, but it is good...or they're good...or something. Heavy Japanese HC that I greatly desire, but it doesn't quite satisfy here and there. Still recommended.
Harmony Corruption is ND's best record
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I really like this new straight edge band from the UK;
https://ratedx.bandcamp.com/releases
Ex Violent Reaction
fuck yeah very good. I wish guitars were a bit louder, but fucking amazing
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on February 05, 2019, 12:24:13 AM
I really like this new straight edge band from the UK;
https://ratedx.bandcamp.com/releases
Ex Violent Reaction
very fast and very furious
and avaliable on tape too.
Beyond Description...
My impression from others is that they're considered 2nd class Japanese HC citizens. I can see that, but I like them; even some of their more recent, anemic thrash albums. More Power to Your Elbow is a damn fine 7" and their best. The BD/Detestation 10" is maybe my second favorite. Then the Calm Loving Life 3"CD. They're unique. Thrashy. Crossoverish. Japanese HCish. I lost track after their Crimes Against Humanity album.
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Beyond Description...
My impression from others is that they're considered 2nd class Japanese HC citizens.
This made me laugh.
Yeah, definitely not given a fair shake by many. Definitely lots to be had for
Deathside/'Burning Spirits' heads. Falls a little flat for me, but certainly enjoyable--especially having not heard or thought them for about 10 or 12 years [Listening to Calm Loving Life and Acts of Sheer Madness right now. Great drums on CLL!]
I've actually seen a lot of 'under-the-radar' hits of my teens mentioned here recently [Like
Recharge! ] Mostly forgettable stuff, but not given a fair shake at all most of the time.
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Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2019, 02:21:02 AM
Beyond Description...
My impression from others is that they're considered 2nd class Japanese HC citizens.
This made me laugh.
Yeah, definitely not given a fair shake by many. Definitely lots to be had for Deathside/'Burning Spirits' heads. Falls a little flat for me, but certainly enjoyable--especially having not heard or thought them for about 10 or 12 years [Listening to Calm Loving Life and Acts of Sheer Madness right now. Great drums on CLL!]
Yes. Their finest signature is a snappy, raw, ringing, quintessential hardcore snare.
Quote from: urall on January 22, 2019, 11:37:59 PM* 3-way cum
Meant to 2nd this. One of my favorite Swedish, crusty vocals of all time. With good reason, the Battle of Opinions 7" is usually the recommendation, but they smoked their full length Killing the Life too. The CD has both the LP and 7". Celebrate their entire discography. Unsung, underrated, and with highest recommendations.
brutalist_tapes, if you're still looking...
Another Finnish recommendation is Valvontakomissio. I feel they were the better on the split LP with No Security, and their CD-only album is great as well.
For Swedish, I was reminded of how good Tolshock is. Ex-members of some greats. https://www.discogs.com/artist/831696-Tolshock (https://www.discogs.com/artist/831696-Tolshock)
Slaganfall...
Riffs and heaviness that remind me of Hiatus. Catchiness that reminds me of that rare breed of Swedish HC that drops into the pocket and grooves. And best of all are the awesome vocals that remind me of Mandy of Health Hazard (not quite that great, but still really damn good).Counterblast...Balance of Pain is where the trend of 90's symphonic black metal best met the call of Swedish crusters. The Prospects 7" too. They then went the way of Neurosis with the next album, Impassivity. I'm not your biggest Neurosis fan, but Impassivity strikes me as one of the best of that type. The 2LP version has some key comp tracks on side D. They then went more and more in that direction and pretty much lost me.
Back when your knowledge could be a mile wide and a mile deep, and you still wouldn't have the full grasp of things. Now, it seems like you can cover the bases with a mile wide and an inch deep...or that's just me being senior.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
Counterblast...Balance of Pain is where the trend of 90's symphonic black metal best met the call of Swedish crusters. The Prospects 7" too. They then went the way of Neurosis with the next album, Impassivity. I'm not your biggest Neurosis fan, but Impassivity strikes me as one of the best of that type. The 2LP version has some key comp tracks on side D. They then went more and more in that direction and pretty much lost me.
Not so much a fan of their records from what i remember - but killing live !
Not much in the mood for punk these days, but RAC really hits the spot for upbeat music (fond of the slower stuff as well). Great for driving around town too. Been spending a lot of time with these the past couple weeks. Picked up the LP reissue of Hell Seger recently, really well done - looks and sounds nice.
DIVISION 250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nVxfIyTCyU&bpctr=1549826209
HONOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkKexs0y-VY
STORM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKR8twzo7s
Been involved in the Australian punk/hardcore scene for over 30 years
Nearly 50 years old and still touring, going to shows, putting out zones and records on my label.
Also been pissing off the punks by playing noise at shows
Some fuck wits still get upset when a noise band plays a punk gig
Check this video out we did last week
Recorded at Sydney punks picnic feb19
Sound sucks but funny footage
https://youtu.be/8wR_865WKOo
if you like bands like Sacrilege, particularly because of the vocals, check out Subversive Rite. Not quite as heavy as Sacrilege, but it's crusty nonetheless.
https://bloodymasterrecords.bandcamp.com/
Quote from: urall on February 07, 2019, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 06, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
Counterblast...Balance of Pain is where the trend of 90's symphonic black metal best met the call of Swedish crusters. The Prospects 7" too. They then went the way of Neurosis with the next album, Impassivity. I'm not your biggest Neurosis fan, but Impassivity strikes me as one of the best of that type. The 2LP version has some key comp tracks on side D. They then went more and more in that direction and pretty much lost me.
Not so much a fan of their records from what i remember - but killing live !
also a krishnacore band counterblast from around me who i forgot until i saw this post: https://counterblast.bandcamp.com/releases
i'll also shout out 108 and Shelter here as well for all you krishnacore heads ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscTeQ_aYAA
Disprove...were related to Beyond Description. I didn't know that. Both being on Forest Records should have been a hint. Sharp Dis-. It won't set the house afire, but that added snap and BD sound is a nice twist. The s/t 7" is the better. DISPROVE was formed as project d-beat band by BEYOND DESCRIPTION, VIVISECTION and SENSELESS APOCALYPSE members in 1994. It's too bad Vivisection didn't do more. They had a spectacular moment or two. And early Senseless Apocalypse/Cunt Decide noisecore is darn fine. I like what came after too, but when I think of SA, that s/t 7" and demo are what first come to mind. 1992-1995.
https://disprovejp.bandcamp.com/
I was huge into Doom in my teens - in my twenties it was a once a year thing while I cranked a beer, now in my almost 40's I'm back to playing this band on constant repeat.
Then I wind up cranking the RISTIINNAULITTU KAAOS 12" and NUUKE 7" which is my top tier Kaaos/Finnish hardcore in general. Mad props to Havoc for keeping these in print for 1000 years.
Re-listening all the Killed by death comps, some incredible gems.
Watched the videos of the Alone in a crowd live set in tears... When the lady of Eaten alive joins to sing Telltale by Killing time is incredible. I hope she soon forms a new project as she told me since she is one of the very few female singers that nails it anything she does.
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 04, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
she is one of the very few female singers that nails it anything she does.
Did you check out Torso? New 7" on Revelation is really good..
Quote from: holy ghost on March 01, 2019, 03:15:17 AM
I was huge into Doom in my teens - in my twenties it was a once a year thing while I cranked a beer, now in my almost 40's I'm back to playing this band on constant repeat.
Maybe check out SRAM from Moscow. Doom...so fucking good.
https://srmcrst.bandcamp.com/album/demo-ii
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 06, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: holy ghost on March 01, 2019, 03:15:17 AM
I was huge into Doom in my teens - in my twenties it was a once a year thing while I cranked a beer, now in my almost 40's I'm back to playing this band on constant repeat.
Maybe check out SRAM from Moscow. Doom...so fucking good.
https://srmcrst.bandcamp.com/album/demo-ii
This is GREAT! Thanks for the tip. They've got this style down pat.
Mid from Deviated Instinct. Finnish HC style. It's good.
https://haavat.bandcamp.com/releases
NYHC done in the UK. Raw and classic sound.
PKR-076: Big Cheese - Don't Forget To Tell The World LP
After the release of their euro only EP, Big Cheese overwhelmingly established themselves as one of the best NYHC-style bands around (despite being based in UK), and made their claim as the live band to beat on stages across Europe. With a US tour imminent, and new material in the works, Painkiller presents a 12" of all previously released material by Big Cheese (the aforementioned 7", their prior demo tape) plus a demo of a new song, all newly mastered and cut to on a 12" to be played at maximum volume. New cover art by local legend Liam Fox of The Flex. This is the version of these songs to own. First 100 on orange vinyl.
https://painkillerrecords.bandcamp.com/album/pkr-076-dont-forget-to-tell-the-world-2
A month or two ago I was digging deep into Napalm Death and revisiting Meathook Seed, Godflesh, Decree (the MIGHTY) and maybe a thing or two in that realm. In the past couple weeks, Negative Insight (http://penetration82.blogspot.com/)* has been pushing a conversation elsewhere about "industrial crust". I believe he's planning some articles in a coming issue. I've always liked this kind of thing, but my efforts to dig have been lazy. I mean...I hadn't knowingly heard Christdriver until a day or two ago, and Extreme Noise sold a few of those things. I've been really enjoying going from Agathocles, Blood, and Anarchus to this sub-genre. There might not be a lot of this out there, but what I hear is good, to very good, quality.
*also, check out the very cool early Finnish punk photos at Negative Insight
Depressor - everything I can find. Not sure what I'm missing, but it can't be much, if any at all. I feel like I've heard this band, but I've never enjoyed them as much as I do now. That unreleased 1995 album is very cool. Same for Filth/Grace. Check out Fuck Yoga's bandcamp for free downloads.
Mortified - Drivel demo 1991 - again, I'm into it, especially the back end of this demo - looking forward to hearing the unreleased LP Sludge Records (France) half-assedly released, but who knows when that will be.
Christdriver - yeah, never knowingly heard them. Looking for rips of their demo and their 7", if anyone happens to have that. Would really appreciate it. Please PM me. Great stuff.
Gutural - Tirocinio 1993 - one of the guys from Rudio de Rabia is in this - probably the most crude of all these bands - good demo.
Gutural - Visionario 1994 - haven't heard this one yet, but I have it cued.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Gutural%22 (https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Gutural%22)
Dead World - all but their very first 7" - a Relapse band - I've always like this band a lot, but I also tend to be a Jonathan Canady fan - Collusion and The Machine never got the talk they deserved; not sure why - while not crusty, they were definitely metal and riffy, but they also had some decent, topical lyrics. For example, check out "Saturnalia" off Collusion - by their 2nd release, The Machine, they'd moved more industrial, but there's also some nice tribalism in there too. Segments of "Lies" remind me of Roy/Nausea. Never hear anyone talk about Dead World, but I like them more than Pitchshifter and as much as a lot of this other stuff.
also, I'll probably always be fond of bands giving His Hero is Gone the nod. Not a lot of those out there. I think maybe the last Acursed album is the last one in my memory. This band is cool by me.
https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse (https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 04, 2019, 11:37:57 PM
also, I'll probably always be fond of bands giving His Hero is Gone the nod. Not a lot of those out there. I think maybe the last Acursed album is the last one in my memory. This band is cool by me.
https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse (https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse)
Check out Dead in the Dirt if you haven't already. Awesome band! too bad already defunct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_0XSpcrf8
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 04, 2019, 11:37:57 PM
A month or two ago I was digging deep into Napalm Death and revisiting Meathook Seed, Godflesh, Decree (the MIGHTY) and maybe a thing or two in that realm. In the past couple weeks, Negative Insight (http://penetration82.blogspot.com/)* has been pushing a conversation elsewhere about "industrial crust". I believe he's planning some articles in a coming issue. I've always liked this kind of thing, but my efforts to dig have been lazy. I mean...I hadn't knowingly heard Christdriver until a day or two ago, and Extreme Noise sold a few of those things. I've been really enjoying going from Agathocles, Blood, and Anarchus to this sub-genre. There might not be a lot of this out there, but what I hear is good, to very good, quality.
*also, check out the very cool early Finnish punk photos at Negative Insight
Depressor - everything I can find. Not sure what I'm missing, but it can't be much, if any at all. I feel like I've heard this band, but I've never enjoyed them as much as I do now. That unreleased 1995 album is very cool. Same for Filth/Grace. Check out Fuck Yoga's bandcamp for free downloads.
Mortified - Drivel demo 1991 - again, I'm into it, especially the back end of this demo - looking forward to hearing the unreleased LP Sludge Records (France) half-assedly released, but who knows when that will be.
Christdriver - yeah, never knowingly heard them. Looking for rips of their demo and their 7", if anyone happens to have that. Would really appreciate it. Please PM me. Great stuff.
Gutural - Tirocinio 1993 - one of the guys from Rudio de Rabia is in this - probably the most crude of all these bands - good demo.
Gutural - Visionario 1994 - haven't heard this one yet, but I have it cued.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Gutural%22 (https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Gutural%22)
Dead World - all but their very first 7" - a Relapse band - I've always like this band a lot, but I also tend to be a Jonathan Canady fan - Collusion and The Machine never got the talk they deserved; not sure why - while not crusty, they were definitely metal and riffy, but they also had some decent, topical lyrics. For example, check out "Saturnalia" off Collusion - by their 2nd release, The Machine, they'd moved more industrial, but there's also some nice tribalism in there too. Segments of "Lies" remind me of Roy/Nausea. Never hear anyone talk about Dead World, but I like them more than Pitchshifter and as much as a lot of this other stuff.
also, I'll probably always be fond of bands giving His Hero is Gone the nod. Not a lot of those out there. I think maybe the last Acursed album is the last one in my memory. This band is cool by me.
https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse (https://colonyhc.bandcamp.com/album/lapse)
Sentient Ruin just released a Depressor compilation. Need to pick it up myself. https://sentientruin.bandcamp.com/album/hell-storms-over-earth
Christdriver is great also. Doing a band now where the M.O. is powerviolence mixed with Christdriver/Nightstick dirge parts.
Thanks for the Depressor link.
one of the guys in Sex Prisoner (power-violence) does some nice and heavy industrial stuff:
https://realizeindustrial.bandcamp.com/releases
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2019, 02:37:30 AMGreat to see Counterblast mentioned, always seen them as poor mans Neurosis. Their Prospects 7" is killer.
Did you feel this way from the beginning? I didn't get the overt Neurosis vibe until Impassivity, which I can still sometimes enjoy. After that, they were simply too heavy-handed with that influence.
Saw Loose Nukes live a few weeks ago. Great energetic hardcore..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GiblUuNLv0
Also really like this band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4C5c0exEg (Matrix)
Demo from last year is now available on vinyl..
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2019, 11:38:11 PM
Can't say because Impassivity was their first for me. The first is definitely more fresh to my ears, it's much faster while still have this dreadful vibe to it.
That first Counterblast album is a testament to the time. Being within some proximity, but nowhere near inside, the confluence of the Profane Existence and Skuld worlds, it was surprising how black metal took crust by storm and hit many black uniforms like a ton of bricks. Speaking purely of the music (though, the conversation could go well beyond that), Balance of Pain is a product, and a great one at that, of exactly what was happening to the crustier side of punk. The Swedes were the first voice of that whole thing, and then it trickled down and out. I could be projecting, but Counterblast made
perfect sense at the time, and because it came from some older heads, it was much more acceptable to many. It's too bad someone of the caliber of say Stuart Schrader didn't write an article just on that album and the black metal phenomenon in punk in the middle 90s.
Quote from: W.K. on July 04, 2019, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 04, 2019, 11:37:57 PM
A month or two ago I was digging deep into Napalm Death and revisiting Meathook Seed, Godflesh, Decree (the MIGHTY) and maybe a thing or two in that realm. In the past couple weeks, Negative Insight (http://penetration82.blogspot.com/)* has been pushing a conversation elsewhere about "industrial crust".
Great article, thanks. Great to see Counterblast mentioned, always seen them as poor mans Neurosis. Their Prospects 7" is killer.
Quote
Dead World - all but their very first 7" - a Relapse band - I've always like this band a lot, but I also tend to be a Jonathan Canady fan - Collusion and The Machine never got the talk they deserved; not sure why - while not crusty, they were definitely metal and riffy, but they also had some decent, topical lyrics. For example, check out "Saturnalia" off Collusion - by their 2nd release, The Machine, they'd moved more industrial, but there's also some nice tribalism in there too. Segments of "Lies" remind me of Roy/Nausea. Never hear anyone talk about Dead World, but I like them more than Pitchshifter and as much as a lot of this other stuff.
counterblast featured two members of cold meat industry's Sanctum
Maybe due to the vocals - the singer wants to sound sinister but doesn't really pull it off while most other bands have a direct fronting vocal barrage going on. I don't like it either.
Never heard that Sanctum.* So strange to be involved in bands I like so much, to be on a label that is central to my listening history, and to be interested in a style...yet never heard any mention of Sanctum in all those conversations and dives. Cool too, though. Thanks. Already found one track that could be considered industrial crust adjacent.
*Wrong. In 2016, Terminal Sound Nuisance blog mentioned Sanctum. That's when I first heard the connexion, but I guess I forgot about it and never looked into them.
Regarding Counterblast - I remember when the first tape was released and it was a little bit of a shock. They were very much regarded as a continuation of the very-fast band G-anx, but now it was instead very-slow... They always mentioned Amebix as a big influence though, even if you maybe could not hear it in the psychedelic grindcore that was the anx/ducks trademark.
I also got a 7" and saw them play once or twice, never really knew they soldiered on for so long.
- By the way, punk/hc is generally doing really well at the moment, so many great current bands. To me much better then in "my time" (mid-90s).
I also saw Loose Nukes awhile ago, brilliant. And their other band Machine gun. Just two of many, many!
Yes, I saw Machinegun as well. Liked their 7", live they were okay.. not too memorable.
Machine Gun and especially Loose Nukes played killer gigs here, like we hadn't seen in a loooong time. I think the last time I saw hardcore bands that good was when Career Suicide did their reunion tour.
Quote from: magnus on July 05, 2019, 10:48:33 PM
- By the way, punk/hc is generally doing really well at the moment, so many great current bands. To me much better then in "my time" (mid-90s).
I also saw Loose Nukes awhile ago, brilliant. And their other band Machine gun. Just two of many, many!
I don't know... I think the last many years have been plagued with way too many wannabee USHC/"NYHC" bands from Europe. I also come from the mid/late '90s scene and I guess that there wasn't that much "real hardcore" band then. But the ones that were back then were much better than the scene from places like Umeå and Holland that is nowadays.
Does anyone know why Dead Kennedys' Jock-O-Rama is retitled as Macho Rama on some version of Frankenchrist? They have even changed the word in the chorus.
Quote from: moozz on July 09, 2019, 05:59:50 PM
Does anyone know why Dead Kennedys' Jock-O-Rama is retitled as Macho Rama on some version of Frankenchrist? They have even changed the word in the chorus.
I found info on that a few years ago, and it was because at that time the term "jock" wasn't very well known outside of North America so they "rebranded" it for the international market.
The friendship between Final Solution and Sheer Terror is well known. I'll note here that the lyrics to 'Women's Rights' on the 'Mass Death' CD shares a phrase with the live into to 'Just Can't Hate Enough'.
'...rights? I'll give you a right, a left and a kick to the fucking head.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlWRhLtQ6Hs
SHUT UP, PUNK!!!!
Jesus Chrust - I'm Nailed Right In 1991
I don't know what you call this. I used to think of it as noisecore, but that isn't entirely accurate. Their Blasphemy 7" is a bit more hardcore and not as good. It's good, but it doesn't have the same truly weirdo vibe INRI does. This is caveman shit. One of my favorite 7"s. When I listen to this, I want to hear Confusion - Hopeless and vice versa. One of those Charlie Infection/Johnny X moments of brilliance.
I still miss getting Fudgeworthy and Ax/ction distro flyers in the mail. Someone should do a zine, or even a coffee table art book, of just their flyers...if anyone still has them.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 15, 2019, 11:01:36 PM
Jesus Chrust - I'm Nailed Right In 1991
I don't know what you call this. I used to think of it as noisecore, but that isn't entirely accurate. Their Blasphemy 7" is a bit more hardcore and not as good. It's good, but it doesn't have the same truly weirdo vibe INRI does. This is caveman shit. One of my favorite 7"s. When I listen to this, I want to hear Confusion - Hopeless and vice versa. One of those Charlie Infection/Johnny X moments of brilliance.
I still miss getting Fudgeworthy and Ax/ction distro flyers in the mail. Someone should do a zine, or even a coffee table art book, of just their flyers...if anyone still has them.
Yeah, Ax/cion Records! The
Audio Espionage 8" introduced me to much great noisecore, noise, death metal, and grindcore back in the day with tracks from Gonkulator, Deceased, Bastard Noise, Malicious Hate, and Ulcer. I think the reason why it ended up in the local distro was because it has tracks by Disjoin, a Danish grindcore project with a guy that was known from a radio show that played many great death metal and hardcore bands back in the day.
It's also great that the
Audio Espionage 8" is on the eight-inch format like the Japanese records like
Who the Helpless by Kuro (just to be a record collecting geek).
I REALLY miss Disrupt. And as much as I like ExNxTx (Peel Session and Phonophobia in particular), I'm a bona fide fanboy for Disrupt. Those unreleased tracks on the Unrest Records 12" are as good as anything they ever released. Best is from the split with Sauna, though. I think it was last year that someone transferred an unheard SBD from cassette and shared it on Dime. Fierce. Tried to find the link to share, but it was deleted.
the videos from the box set. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN4qdDQAsJ8
I agree, Disrupt still manages to scratch every itch I need from the genre more so than countless other bands.
Paranoid and Svaveldioxid are cool, but this demo takes me back to the 90s. Heavier bass and less noisy. Impressed. Couldn't stand when the heavier Swedish HC of the 90s got thrown in with crust.
https://syrgas.bandcamp.com/releases
The two recordings on Prophecy Of Doom - Total Mind War 2012 are really good. Recommended.
I'd never heard the deathy Asocial period. Three tracks on the Distortion to Hell comp and the House of Gore 7". There might be more. This is new to me.
And Sauna. Caveman Swedish HC.
Does anyone know if the Distortion to Hell comp series is all exclusive tracks or versions? The second one in the series has "The Demo Series" in the title. I would think Distortion would want to claim exclusivity somewhere on the three CDs. I can't find any mention at Discogs.
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Distortion-To-Hell/release/1717382
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Distortion-To-Hell-Again-Vol2-The-Demo-Series/release/1717393
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Distortion-To-HellAnd-Back-Vol-3/release/3320631
Sauna's "Ei Leiki" demo is one of those classic underrated Swedish gems that people tend to forget but whom the fans of the rougher, metal-free side of käng (myself included) never forget on their mixtapes.
And I think a lot of the stuff that come on Distortion wasn't authorised or considered as bootlegs?
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on July 06, 2019, 03:12:01 AM
Machine Gun and especially Loose Nukes played killer gigs here, like we hadn't seen in a loooong time. I think the last time I saw hardcore bands that good was when Career Suicide did their reunion tour.
2 Loose Nukes 7"s available now. One on Cruel Noise and one on Beach Impediment. Best current hardcore band by far.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 15, 2019, 03:29:17 AM
And I think a lot of the stuff that come on Distortion wasn't authorised or considered as bootlegs?
Yes. Just read somewhere (Negative Insight or Anti-Cimex IG account) that certain masters (Skitslickers) were retrieved by members with a shotgun.
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on September 15, 2019, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 15, 2019, 03:29:17 AM
And I think a lot of the stuff that come on Distortion wasn't authorised or considered as bootlegs?
Yes. Just read somewhere (Negative Insight or Anti-Cimex IG account) that certain masters (Skitslickers) were retrieved by members with a shotgun.
How do you get ahold of masters without consent from someone in the band? Burglary or some dramatic confusion/conflict within the band? I can believe problems with receiving due royalties or something like that, but I always find it suspect when band members aren't on the same page and certain reissues are deemed as bootlegs. Sorry, but if
any band member hands over a master, it isn't a bootleg. Wasn't there something like that with Axegrinder reissues a couple years ago?
I don't know but I remember that in the Negative Insight's interview of Shitlickers, Skitlasse sure came out as a major douche bag.
Nelson Ribas on the Skitslickers plates:
QuoteThe original Skitslickers plates for the "GBG 1982" 7".
SL-8206 or Studio Lane, June 1982 (recorded in April of 1982).
There's probably no other set of plates that have made their way around, been lost and recovered, and been the subject of so much confusion in the history of hardcore punk. These plates have been used for the original release, unauthorized pressings and semi-official versions. That doesn't include the various bootlegs made without them. How original plates were used for so many illegitimate pressings is a mess of a story with gaps left to speculation.
While some of the reported illegitimate pressings were probably done with the best intentions while getting permission from some members of the band (the Malign Massacre version, for instance), others were done solely for quick cash and passed off as legit.
When Lasse was asked about how the plates were let out of the control of the band in the first place, he replied:
"I don't know. A good guess is that someone (Jonsson?) lend the plates to them without telling the rest of us. I got back the plates from Bodenmalm [Distortion Records, Sweden] in the the middle of the 90's. Jimmy [guitarist] hold a shotgun to Bodenmalm's head when he "forgot" to pay us royalties a couple of years ago, so, yes, you are right, and we know of all his scams against a lot of bands."
After all this, the plates were thought lost once again. Lasse couldn't find them for the EP to come with Negative Insight, and we were resigned to the fact that we would have to use a lower quality DAT tape as the source instead. Lasse decided he'd take one last look. We were the relieved and excited when he replied "Well, I found the father and mother matrices from 1982, in my vinyl collection, in the cover of Elvis' Christmas album. Where else."
Where else?
Once we got the plates, more issues arose. They were an odd an obsolete size from old European plants. We tried a few places that all said there was no fucking way. Eventually we got hooked up with Martin Frings in London. He wasn't sure if they could make it work due to needing odd sized seals but couldn't be certain without the plates being sent there. He was reluctant that he could make it work, but jumped through hoops to give it a try. It ended up paying off.
Martin reported "After a good rummage through many dusty boxes and screaming at a few spiders I found some seals that fit!! The very last ones! So basically it's all go, I can do it!" A true hardcore hero.
The SL-8206 plates were returned back to Lasse where they now reside safely back inside the Elvis Christmas album cover.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on September 16, 2019, 01:02:27 AM
Nelson Ribas on the Skitslickers plates:
QuoteThe original Skitslickers plates for the "GBG 1982" 7".
SL-8206 or Studio Lane, June 1982 (recorded in April of 1982).
There's probably no other set of plates that have made their way around, been lost and recovered, and been the subject of so much confusion in the history of hardcore punk. These plates have been used for the original release, unauthorized pressings and semi-official versions. That doesn't include the various bootlegs made without them. How original plates were used for so many illegitimate pressings is a mess of a story with gaps left to speculation.
While some of the reported illegitimate pressings were probably done with the best intentions while getting permission from some members of the band (the Malign Massacre version, for instance), others were done solely for quick cash and passed off as legit.
When Lasse was asked about how the plates were let out of the control of the band in the first place, he replied:
"I don't know. A good guess is that someone (Jonsson?) lend the plates to them without telling the rest of us. I got back the plates from Bodenmalm [Distortion Records, Sweden] in the the middle of the 90's. Jimmy [guitarist] hold a shotgun to Bodenmalm's head when he "forgot" to pay us royalties a couple of years ago, so, yes, you are right, and we know of all his scams against a lot of bands."
After all this, the plates were thought lost once again. Lasse couldn't find them for the EP to come with Negative Insight, and we were resigned to the fact that we would have to use a lower quality DAT tape as the source instead. Lasse decided he'd take one last look. We were the relieved and excited when he replied "Well, I found the father and mother matrices from 1982, in my vinyl collection, in the cover of Elvis' Christmas album. Where else."
Where else?
Once we got the plates, more issues arose. They were an odd an obsolete size from old European plants. We tried a few places that all said there was no fucking way. Eventually we got hooked up with Martin Frings in London. He wasn't sure if they could make it work due to needing odd sized seals but couldn't be certain without the plates being sent there. He was reluctant that he could make it work, but jumped through hoops to give it a try. It ended up paying off.
Martin reported "After a good rummage through many dusty boxes and screaming at a few spiders I found some seals that fit!! The very last ones! So basically it's all go, I can do it!" A true hardcore hero.
The SL-8206 plates were returned back to Lasse where they now reside safely back inside the Elvis Christmas album cover.
Thank you!
Went on a D-beat deep dive again. C.U.M. (aka Cumbrage, that has quite a good full album that I didn't know existed), Time Square Preachers, Dismachine...Dis bands that would, funny and oddly enough, fall into that 2nd tier range. Yeah, I can still do hours of Dis-bands and love every second of it.
Karst from California sounds like a slightly crusty, and more deathy, Unruh. I've somewhat been waiting to hear Unruh influence from somewhere, and I think Karst are it. I would guess they don't know it, so it is likely my imagination. I happen to love Unruh. Not that it matters at all, but Unruh was like His Hero is Gone inasmuch as they were some of the most talented musicians with a punk background at the time and with good musical ears. Undecided whether I like Karst all that much, but it was cool to think of them this way.
https://karstla.bandcamp.com/album/the-sword-and-the-martyr
I definitely share the love for Uppsala D-Beat bands, Your Own Jailer, etc... The first Times Square Preachers 7" and the Harass one are "modern" classic as far as I'm concerned.
And Unruh's LP definitely rules.
Today was an Assück and Hail Of Rage day over here. A good drummer definitely makes the difference...
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 17, 2019, 08:59:46 PM
Hail Of Rage.
Wow totally forgot about this band. Def need to pull out their 7" 's out of the shelves again.
Quote from: urall on September 18, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 17, 2019, 08:59:46 PM
Hail Of Rage.
Wow totally forgot about this band. Def need to pull out their 7" 's out of the shelves again.
Do it! I assume you heard Dissension, the pre HOR band? It's pretty similar in style and sound. Deformed Conscience too (but unrelated to HOR.)
Quote from: Zeno Marx on September 17, 2019, 08:24:17 PM
Went on a D-beat deep dive again. C.U.M. (aka Cumbrage, that has quite a good full album that I didn't know existed), Time Square Preachers, Dismachine...Dis bands that would, funny and oddly enough, fall into that 2nd tier range. Yeah, I can still do hours of Dis-bands and love every second of it.
Karst from California sounds like a slightly crusty, and more deathy, Unruh. I've somewhat been waiting to hear Unruh influence from somewhere, and I think Karst are it. I would guess they don't know it, so it is likely my imagination. I happen to love Unruh. Not that it matters at all, but Unruh was like His Hero is Gone inasmuch as they were some of the most talented musicians with a punk background at the time and with good musical ears. Undecided whether I like Karst all that much, but it was cool to think of them this way.
https://karstla.bandcamp.com/album/the-sword-and-the-martyr
Unruh definitely rules. I like a lot of the death/black influenced hardcore bands, but they're by far my favorite. Some Ire is really good too from similar sounding stuff.
Karst sounded interesting! I liked the gradual slowing down to diSEMBOWELMENT territory on that long track on bandcamp.
Massklat, Abuse, Greenscab, No Admission, Antabus, and then Bombstrike. A few things with these: 1) 3-Way Cum is one of my favorite Swedish HC bands, so when I hear something that reminds me of them, it's a great day. While Massklat is not like 3-Way Cum, the vocals are of the deeper variety. Two very good EPs. 2) Greenscab, which I think is the guy behind the Hepatit D label's band, has a decent 7" and a monotone album; definitely 2nd, or even 3rd tier Dis-, which has been fine with me. 3) No Admission are good, but most of their output is on comps. 4) I always really liked the first Bombstrike album, but by the time it was released, I was on the downside of that 2nd wave of Swedish HC sound. Bands like Kontrovers and Acursed were the only ones holding my attention. Now listening to what Bombstrike did after the first album in the first decade of the 2000s, they were doing that whole Skitsystem and Disfear thing better than Skitsystem or Disfear. I didn't listen to it, but same goes for the Dödsdömd album.
Got a little sidetracked with the great Malicious Hate - Bring Forth Hate demo 1995, and then with the last two Phobia releases that I didn't know existed. Say what you will, but Phobia is still making quality grind.
Finally, here's an article on the closing up of physical MRR. Should probably go in the zine thread...if there is one.
https://theoutline.com/post/8002/maximum-rocknroll-record-archives-photo-essay?zd=2&zi=6frqjzpv
Disregard/Disfornicate 1995 - went to this because I liked the Disregard tracks on the Distortion to Hell 3 comp, as they reminded me of 3-Way Cum a little - both are good, but as for Dis-, Disfornicate is the winner - nice split 7" here - I'll be finding everything else from both.
Disfornicate - Golden Age of Lies demo 1994 - more Dis- - the guitar tone is a little weak, but here we have a demo that is as long as many full lengths at 26 minutes that never lets up - good demo.
Disregard - No Regrets demo 1994 - more Dis- plus a little something else and more - deep vocals, and this has a different guy on vocals than the split 7" - I swear I recognize this voice - has some strange rocking elements...almost 90's hair metal or something - unique for sure, but also really good.
Amen (Finland) - a couple of their 7"s - best ExNxTx worship ever?
Here's some fresh metalpunk/hardcore from Finland:
https://misericordehc.bandcamp.com/
Vinyl should be out later.
EDIT: Because it seems that all of my posts are just promoting stuff, I'd like add for the topic that I've been listening a lot of old Terveet Kädet lately :)
Sort of forgot about Sex Dwarf for a hot minute. Really liked that one LP I have and the 7", turns out they have a new single recorded in Japan, a new LP and a split with Paranoid. Just made a big order with Konton Crasher to get a hold of this stuff as well as the newer Paranoid records I'm missing.
I missed Paranoid live last time they were here due to a vacation I booked and really regret it.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 14, 2019, 06:01:46 PM
Sort of forgot about Sex Dwarf for a hot minute. Really liked that one LP I have and the 7", turns out they have a new single recorded in Japan, a new LP and a split with Paranoid. Just made a big order with Konton Crasher to get a hold of this stuff as well as the newer Paranoid records I'm missing.
I missed Paranoid live last time they were here due to a vacation I booked and really regret it.
i saw both a while ago with Zyanose. But boy, Sex Dwarf was a little toooo chaotic even for my liking. Paranoid on the other hand killed it (as did Zyanose).
Wow what a review! I think that sounds great - glad I ordered the new LP, sifting through for quality contemporary raw noise punk is indeed a challenge: Paranoid, Sex Dwarf, Zyanose, Kromosom, Contrast Attitude... I don't know Kriegshog well but am debating ordering a few records from them. Other than that I'm lost these days, way out of touch. I was checking out Electric Funeral but.... I get turned off when it's a one man band, and I'm wary of Southern Lord to deliver the goods.....
Edit: I see good things about B.E.T.O.E. as well but I've yet to track down any records.
I have a desire to explore new noisy punk and the now bastardized micro-genre of crasher crust, but when I attempt it, I quickly run out of steam. There's so fucking much of it, and even with the bigger names that come from respected recommendations, I quickly lose interest. A lot of the time, the noise doesn't create chaos or urgency. It feels rote or gimmicky. Not genuine or something. Still, I do hammer at it now and then. Physique is cool. I'm lazy. I let crust-demos spoon feed most of it to me. http://crust-demos.blogspot.com/
Man...Contrast Attitude. That LP smokes. Was that their last great recording?
Dipfase - 3 Track EP 2019 - Indonesian Dis- - I didn't care for this as much as their 2018 EP - it feels like a one-man band, which is good to hear in 2019 - the guy loves Disclose.
Despair - Visions of the Inferno 2018 - Vancouver Dis- - I didn't think much of this as it started, but a few tracks in, I was loving the guitar tone and appreciating the vocals - good Dis- record.
Thorn - Bitter Potion 1995 - this is what Roy Mayorga (Nausea) was doing in the 90s - I like the She Rises Like The Sun 1993 CDEP quite a bit, but this album takes that less punk, more accessible thing further into the grunge, and adjacent, trends of the time; everything from the cover to the production to the other tricks makes me think they were looking for bigger payoff - there is some decent stuff here, but it also feels like it is trying to be something rather than it just happening - it's unfortunate that they couldn't expand on that CDEP feel without all this crap.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on October 14, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
I have a desire to explore new noisy punk and the now bastardized micro-genre of crasher crust, but when I attempt it, I quickly run out of steam.
It's kind of relieving for me because after you hit up Disclose/Gai/Confuse/Gloom/Swedish classic stuff etc you realize no ones ever going to top that shit. There's a few bands I follow and buy records from like Sex Dwarf etc and occasionally a true banger pops out of nowhere like the ROHT LP Iron Lung did last year.... but like I don't have time to be "a d-beat/raw punk" person like just gimmie the cream of the crop and I'll stick to the classics when the mood strikes.
Frankly I'd be really happy if there was a resurgence in bands that sound like MASSKONTROLL playing that slower stuff, now that's the sort of stuff that gets my outboard motor crankin'. Fuck these super reverbed vocals, let's move into punishing bass territory. I rarely if ever go back to the other Portland stuff like Resist, Detestation, but that MASSKONTROLL did it perfectly.
I love that it was recorded at Smegma studios too - I would have had no idea who Smegma were in my teens but I LIVED that "Will You Ever Learn?" LP so hard and it all comes full circle sometimes.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 15, 2019, 02:30:40 AM
Frankly I'd be really happy if there was a resurgence in bands that sound like MASSKONTROLL playing that slower stuff, now that's the sort of stuff that gets my outboard motor crankin'. Fuck these super reverbed vocals, let's move into punishing bass territory. I rarely if ever go back to the other Portland stuff like Resist, Detestation, but that MASSKONTROLL did it perfectly.
I love that it was recorded at Smegma studios too - I would have had no idea who Smegma were in my teens but I LIVED that "Will You Ever Learn?" LP so hard and it all comes full circle sometimes.
Check out this new Belgian band
https://www.facebook.com/Arrog%C3%A4nt-481116432381219/
i think they'll record soon as well.
Radio Raheem with more great reissues. Best label running? I can't wait for the Sarcasm in particular (never enough crossover in my life), but Insanity (thrash with ugly vocals) and The Psychos too.
https://deathwishinc.com/collections/radio-raheem
*you can check out all three releases on youtube. RR didn't upload them, but samples are to be found.
Quote from: urall on October 15, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: holy ghost on October 15, 2019, 02:30:40 AM
Frankly I'd be really happy if there was a resurgence in bands that sound like MASSKONTROLL playing that slower stuff, now that's the sort of stuff that gets my outboard motor crankin'. Fuck these super reverbed vocals, let's move into punishing bass territory. I rarely if ever go back to the other Portland stuff like Resist, Detestation, but that MASSKONTROLL did it perfectly.
I love that it was recorded at Smegma studios too - I would have had no idea who Smegma were in my teens but I LIVED that "Will You Ever Learn?" LP so hard and it all comes full circle sometimes.
Check out this new Belgian band
https://www.facebook.com/Arrog%C3%A4nt-481116432381219/
i think they'll record soon as well.
Got this "liked" and I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads up.
This week I took a few spins with the I dig nation demo by Confuse. I dig this band although by their later era it's a little too poppy for me. This demo is so friggin' savage though. Perfect production values.
Gonna do my best here, but looking for some recommendations for fans of Fear of God and Genital Masticator - not that they're entirely similar but essentially wanting to fill my ears with more dare I say 'hateful' or 'sinister' thrashy hardcore. They both have fairly typical hardcore punk riffs offset noisecore blasts. Would love to hear some mid-late 80's / early 90's raw fastcore type stuff. I'm very into Dropdead, which was the only band I could think of, but there's gotta be some low key gems from that time.
Specifically hoping to hear of bands who don't have any noisecore at all - just super raw, lo-fi fast hardcore... no powerviolence either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEDYsx2szR4
Particularly 9:16 (the whole tape is ace though)
You may want to check Hail Of Rage or Dissension then.
Quote from: Neanderthal on October 30, 2019, 07:39:21 AMGenital Masticator
Now here's a band I hope FOAD does a reissue of....
Struggling to think of a band that meets your Uber specific criteria with no noisecore. Cryptic Slaughter?
Tuomiopäivän Lapset - Discography 2004 - Finnish HC - Been working through this a little at a time. I don't think I'd heard anything beyond the 1995 Sludge Records 7" except their Kaaos cover. Too bad. As much as I appreciate their style of hammering, uni-dimensional repetition, I think they may have been better later on. Painukaa Vittuun is a really good release. My listening was a little wonky, but it seemed like they were messing with both UK hardcore and South American influence, particularly in the vocals. It doesn't indicate this at Discogs, but are Totuus related?
Industrial Suicide - Demography - early Greek noisecore/grindcore/crust. I hadn't heard of this either. I love crust, but my knowledge of Greek crust is lacking. It looks like Sound Pollution became Industrial Suicide and is also maybe related to Ναυτία? LOTS of Athenian involvement in punk at the time. They have a bandcamp page with a couple of other things available, but not these demos. If you're curious about the noisecore, it's worth a visit.
I confused Industrial Resistance and Industrial Suicide for a second but nope, there's the Industrial Suicide in my discogs want list. That tape looks really good! The Sound Pollution Discography LP is great too. Lots of crossover to the Greek black metal scene of which I am quite partial. Super cool to think there was some Rotting Christ crossover.
I have that Tuomiopaivan Lapset DLP but I can't remember the last time I listened to it. I'll have to give it a spin as it was in my "do I need this" pile.
Been listening to a lot of Isterismo lately. Really exciting band I had glossed over. Now seeking out everything! What a total fucking rager. I love that they sing in Italian.
Also been continually slamming the Sex Dwarf LP from last year and the new Paranoid as well as the split 7" they did. These bands can do no wrong in my book. I also grabbed the Krömosom "Nuclear Reich" MLP and found it a huge letdown. Like a lot of joke punk riffs mixed in, I really enjoyed the "8 Track LP" and the 7" material I had but this was kind of a letdown.
If you're into Finnish HC, I thought this was good. There seems to be quite a few competent Finnish HC bands active today, but I rarely find new ones that actually pique my interest. VoiVod and Amebix as influences. VoiVod in "Metastaasi". I wouldn't mention that if I didn't think they did it well.
https://kauhu.bandcamp.com/releases
A full length record from Florida's Seed Of Pain just dropped the other day, titled Flesh, Steel, Victory...
This shit is basically Bolt Thrower but for metallic hardcore kids who (for whatever reason) don't like death metal. They even have the whole Warhammer shit going for them. Tough music played by seemingly not-so-tough guys. Lil Ugly Mane approved. As if that matters.
https://pleadyourcaserecords.bandcamp.com/album/pyc025-flesh-steel-victory
Does the nipple tattoo say "Cunt" or "Tuna"?
(https://cloud10.todocoleccion.online/discos-vinilo/tc/2018/10/27/13/137815732_1540641446.jpg)
Good new hardcore band: Gel
https://gelhc.bandcamp.com
hooked on Candy
I saw Candy play in Barcelona. Thought they were horrible.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 19, 2019, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: urall on October 15, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: holy ghost on October 15, 2019, 02:30:40 AM
Frankly I'd be really happy if there was a resurgence in bands that sound like MASSKONTROLL playing that slower stuff, now that's the sort of stuff that gets my outboard motor crankin'. Fuck these super reverbed vocals, let's move into punishing bass territory. I rarely if ever go back to the other Portland stuff like Resist, Detestation, but that MASSKONTROLL did it perfectly.
I love that it was recorded at Smegma studios too - I would have had no idea who Smegma were in my teens but I LIVED that "Will You Ever Learn?" LP so hard and it all comes full circle sometimes.
Check out this new Belgian band
https://www.facebook.com/Arrog%C3%A4nt-481116432381219/
i think they'll record soon as well.
Got this "liked" and I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads up.
guess you saw they have a new song online ;)
https://arrogant-crust.bandcamp.com/releases
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 08, 2020, 07:42:58 PM
I saw Candy play in Barcelona. Thought they were horrible.
tastes! I'm completely in love with they album, especially when they mix different styles and their official clip is great
anyway
obessed ny restraining order, enjoyed the 7", but the LP is so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n9Y8tK7TV0
into Australia's Manhunt vocals
Been on a real Bl'ast kick lately - first two albums are so great! Can anyone comment on the Southern Lord reissues/remixes? I'm always wary of "Dave Grohl" on the hype sticker.
Also on the same note been real into the first Annihilation Time LP - the later albums were super fun party rock and pretty good but this first one is just so vile....
Quote from: holy ghost on May 11, 2020, 03:43:28 PM
Been on a real Bl'ast kick lately - first two albums are so great! Can anyone comment on the Southern Lord reissues/remixes? I'm always wary of "Dave Grohl" on the hype sticker.
Jammed the Power of Expression for the first time in at least a decade last week. I assume that's what's on Spotify and it sounded fine to me. There's definitely at least one Black Flag riff in there.
Quote from: holy ghost on May 11, 2020, 03:43:28 PM
Been on a real Bl'ast kick lately - first two albums are so great! Can anyone comment on the Southern Lord reissues/remixes? I'm always wary of "Dave Grohl" on the hype sticker.
The first album is an all-time favorite. A pretty special album to me with lots of attachments. No interest in any sort of revision. I grabbed the SL remasters from somewhere, just to have them, but I've never listened to them.
From elsewhere, one of my favorite quotes: "
I love classic punk music so I really hope Dave Grohl and Southern Lord can rescue all my potential favorite records from sounding how they did when they originally blew everyone's fucking mind."
I love Black Flag (first 2 releases mainly) and most early hardcore but never really listened to Bl'ast. I bought that Expression of Power CD-reissue on Southern Lord, which has 2 different mixes of the first album, because it was cheap. I like some of the songs but overall couldn't get into it. After a while the guitar posturing is getting on my nerves and it's lacking primitive aggression and energy.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on May 11, 2020, 07:32:34 PMAfter a while the guitar posturing is getting on my nerves and it's lacking primitive aggression and energy.
That's interesting. It's in My Blood is exactly that: primal energy. The obvious tone is similar to Black Flag, but more substantially, it hit me in a similar place as Age of Quarrel in that primal aggression and groove. A neckbreaker dance party...or furious skate session. Could certainly just be where I was in life and listening that makes me feel this way, though.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 11, 2020, 07:05:43 PMFrom elsewhere, one of my favorite quotes: "I love classic punk music so I really hope Dave Grohl and Southern Lord can rescue all my potential favorite records from sounding how they did when they originally blew everyone's fucking mind."
Thanks for this. Tells me exactly what I need to hear (save my money and stick with the originals).
Also been really into both LPs from Una Bèstia Incontrolable - super raw, noisy hardcore punk. I don't know how I overlooked this band, as I've been super into Barcelona (the band, from..... Barcelona!) but whatever that city has happening is pretty fucking fresh.
Quote from: holy ghost on May 12, 2020, 12:37:41 AM
Also been really into both LPs from Una Bèstia Incontrolable - super raw, noisy hardcore punk. I don't know how I overlooked this band, as I've been super into Barcelona (the band, from..... Barcelona!) but whatever that city has happening is pretty fucking fresh.
Fantastic band. Was lucky to see them a few years ago in NYC. Spain really churned out some good shit in the past 15 years. You'd be smart to check out Invasion/Destino Final if you're not familiar already (same guitar player.) Glam and Firmeza 10 were other favourites. All still see heavy rotation for me.
Was listening to Vaccine this week. Such a great band..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv1Xyn5xT_w&feature=emb_logo
Also just ordered this stomper from Youth Attack;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=hS86KsGGhNQ&feature=emb_logo
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 11, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on May 11, 2020, 07:32:34 PMAfter a while the guitar posturing is getting on my nerves and it's lacking primitive aggression and energy.
That's interesting. It's in My Blood is exactly that: primal energy. The obvious tone is similar to Black Flag, but more substantially, it hit me in a similar place as Age of Quarrel in that primal aggression and groove. A neckbreaker dance party...or furious skate session. Could certainly just be where I was in life and listening that makes me feel this way, though.
Don't know why but it doesn't work for me.. When I compare this to some all-time favorites like The Fix - Vengeance, Black Flag - Nervous Breakdown, Negative Approach, Urban Waste, Side By Side or first Minor Threat i'm just missing the out-of-control-no-bullshit-full-speed-ahead-energy. But yeah, I think the moment of discovery is also crucial. Agreed on Age Of Quarrel though. Perfect fusion of the best elements of hardcore and metal.
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Quote from: holy ghost on May 12, 2020, 12:37:41 AM
Also been really into both LPs from Una Bèstia Incontrolable - super raw, noisy hardcore punk. I don't know how I overlooked this band, as I've been super into Barcelona (the band, from..... Barcelona!) but whatever that city has happening is pretty fucking fresh.
Fantastic band. Was lucky to see them a few years ago in NYC. Spain really churned out some good shit in the past 15 years. You'd be smart to check out Invasion/Destino Final if you're not familiar already (same guitar player.) Glam and Firmeza 10 were other favourites. All still see heavy rotation for me.
Thanks for the suggestions - I will check them out! There's a ton of La Vida Es Un Mus stuff I really click with and some I really don't click with so it's nice to get suggestions - they have so much stuff I don't always hit the ol' bandcamp for each one!
Definitely the sort of hardcore I am super into at the moment is Sial, Barcelona, Una Bestia, Geld.... that sort of thing!
I don't know why, but all those Spanish bands feel more vibrant and urgent, for lack of better terms, than just about everything else out there. I like plenty of other HC at the same level, or more, but their energy stands out. Destino Final, Invasion, Una Bèstia Incontrolable, Barcelona, Firmeza 10 (Hardcore Radikal).
Barcelona - Pueden Ser Ellos 2016 - Spanish HC - noisy, female-fronted, arty punk from Spain - interesting guitars and sense of song; almost tribal or like what Crasher Crust Frigora could be with a more arty approach - definitely not your standard affair - not as good as the Extremo Nihilismo En Barcelona album, but I like it quite a bit.
Barcelona - Un Último Ultrasonido Nació Y Murió En Barcelona 2017 - this is closer to the feeling I remember from their 1st album - so angry and urgent, without of the ordinary sense of song and weirdly churning guitars and everything else - unique, great hardcore.
Disface - Cuando Todo Sucumba al Dominio de la Individualidad 2006 - related to Barcelona and Anarquía Vertical - strange, but kind of strange combination of thrash guitars and cleaner, professional production with female vocals - not at all what I would expect from these members or a Dis- name - it's good; also restrained or something (not sure how to describe it, but maybe I'm still working past expectations and into what is there) - but also can sound like a lame, sterile indie band, like on "Volver a reir" - I like it.
Anarquía Vertical - Guerra Higiénica 2015
Anarquía Vertical - Guerra Higiénica 2016
Anarquía Vertical - Sistema Total De Liberación 2016 - related to Barcelona, but nothing musically like them - more straight-forward, but good - similar bold, arty artwork though - final two tracks are experimental/electronic tracks.
Invasion - La Caza - into that constant power tool/distant jet engine effect in the background on side A - last track sounds like maybe something off an other galaxy Amebix demo - entire thing is a "huh?" listen (meaning, it's good) - didn't pick up on the Finnish aspect of the echo vocals for a while - that heavy bass rumbling distracts me from everything else; love.
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm
Fantastic band. Was lucky to see them a few years ago in NYC. Spain really churned out some good shit in the past 15 years.
Actually, Spain has had a huge and consistant output of quality hardcore punk of worldwide influence since the late 70's, at least as much of Sweden, except that it also has distinct regional scenes with their own sound as well, and that LVEUM has mostly been putting out stuff from their friends while not really promoting the music from the other parts of the country. But that's another debate I suppose.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on May 13, 2020, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm
Fantastic band. Was lucky to see them a few years ago in NYC. Spain really churned out some good shit in the past 15 years.
Actually, Spain has had a huge and consistant output of quality hardcore punk of worldwide influence since the late 70's, at least as much of Sweden, except that it also has distinct regional scenes with their own sound as well, and that LVEUM has mostly been putting out stuff from their friends while not really promoting the music from the other parts of the country. But that's another debate I suppose.
Yes, I am aware of the history of Punk in Spain. I was just trying to comment more directly on the band being discussed presently (bought the records, saw a number of the bands during the previous decade.) I think a lot of labels (lets say 99%) "[put] out stuff from their friends" or, more broadly, simply
stuff they like. Not Paco (or anybody's) responsibility to operate otherwise, and doesn't bother me in the least. In fact, the majority of LVEUM releases are not even by groups from Spain at all.
LVEUM putting out a wide variety of stuff is what I think puts them at the top tier of hardcore labels along with Iron Lung currently. Maybe I'll like it, maybe I won't. I'm always intrigued, often baffled! Sometimes I'm all "damn this sucks so much" and then the next email I get I'm like... motherfucker this slaps hard!"
One of the best labels around. Actually ordered some of the new stuff yesterday.
I've been revisiting Cult Ritual, especially the LP and 7" on Youth Attack. The two never let up with seething and unhinged aggression.
Anyone manage to catch them live? I saw them in Cincinnati on their last tour (either 08 or 09) with Vile Gash, Wasteland Jazz Unit and Order 66. That was the first show I went to that wasn't some Ticketmaster type of production ha. Still remains as one of my all time favorite shows.
Vile Gash is great. I also like Cult Ritual but but haven't listened to their 7"s for a while. Never saw these bands live.
Both acts the night I saw them each put on ruthless sets. Unless you were somehow behind the amps, you were gonna get hit or shoved. Vile Gash is still performing with the same energy even though they haven't played much in the past couple of years.
Didn't manage to catch either Cult Ritual or Vile Gash live, but played a show with Cult Ritual side project Neon Blud around that time, and they were great. There were a few interesting projects coming out of Tampa around that time.
Quote from: totalblack on May 15, 2020, 05:22:47 PMThere were a few interesting projects coming out of Tampa around that time.
I discovered Horrid Cross shortly after that show, I know they're from Florida but not sure if they were a part of those bands from Tampa?
Yeah they are related, the Horrid Cross guy played in Church Whip along with several members of Cult Ritual
Gotcha, I also forgot about Church Whip, another good band. I've heard of Neon Blud before but I don't think I've ever listened to them.
I have the Whipps 7" which is a repress of their demo. Liked it a lot when it came out. At same time I listened a lot to Diet Cokeheads as well, who did a split 7" with them. Also related is Slavescene, their 7" is great as well.
RE Florida, Corpse Without Soul was a killer label for its brief life. The Divisions collection kicks ass. I need to listen to Church Whips Psychedelic Nightmare again, the drama around that release was so overbearing i avoided it.
I recently saw it was announced that there's a new label done by Corpse Without Soul \ Irradiated Corpse called Promulgator, with 3 tapes from projects I've never heard of. I imagine it's black metal oriented material from the looks of things. The Church Whip drama was completely over the top. Hard to imagine that people were so torn up over the name of a mini tour that they were slashing tires and vandalizing tour vans over it but then immediately forgot about the entire situation. Certainly didn't affect their popular 4AD project at any point.
For those not following social media announcements, a Forced Expression discography is on the way. One of those video trailers like FOAD uses.
https://youtu.be/gxMDk3sbUos
New Barcelona 7" on LA VIDA ES UN MUS DISCOS is as good as I expected.
And there is a new, great article on Sacrilege (NYC) on Negative Insight. Hope you're good with names, because it is dense.
https://www.negativeinsight.com/niblog/productive-not-destructive-sacrilege-nyc
Going to crack into the Terveet Kädet boxset today. While they are one of my favorite bands, a 5 LP set has seemed a little daunting. Booklet looks great with lots of photos I had never seen, and I was pleased to to see a full color expanded version of the ass candle photo from Ääretön Joulu 7". Quality stuff.
Quote from: NerveGas on June 30, 2020, 06:33:14 PM
Going to crack into the Terveet Kädet boxset today. While they are one of my favorite bands, a 5 LP set has seemed a little daunting. Booklet looks great with lots of photos I had never seen, and I was pleased to to see a full color expanded version of the ass candle photo from Ääretön Joulu 7". Quality stuff.
Pretty tapped-out on keeping up with stuff like this in punk/HC these days, but this is really cool to hear about. One of my all-time favourite groups.
Quote from: theworldisawarfilm on June 30, 2020, 07:00:19 PM
Quote from: NerveGas on June 30, 2020, 06:33:14 PM
Going to crack into the Terveet Kädet boxset today. While they are one of my favorite bands, a 5 LP set has seemed a little daunting. Booklet looks great with lots of photos I had never seen, and I was pleased to to see a full color expanded version of the ass candle photo from Ääretön Joulu 7". Quality stuff.
Pretty tapped-out on keeping up with stuff like this in punk/HC these days, but this is really cool to hear about. One of my all-time favourite groups.
I agree. Box set purchases, for myself, are reserved for all time favorite bands and TK certainly fit that bill. Such a great band on all levels. I picked up the Discharge box set a while back and I have to say I'm much more pleased with the TK one. Apples and oranges maybe, but there do seem to be a lot of 80s punk/HC box sets nowadays. Hard to keep up with/care about all of them.
The 2nd, and unreleased until now, Homomilitia album has been released. If you liked the Lost album, I feel this is the missing piece.
https://sanctuspropaganda.bandcamp.com/album/s-t
Quote from: Zeno Marx on June 23, 2020, 05:51:04 PM
New Barcelona 7" on LA VIDA ES UN MUS DISCOS is as good as I expected.
Oh very exciting! I'll have to order this ASAP!
RE: Russian punk...
Наив (Naïve)
How is the Dehumanized States of America album? The track I heard has a somewhat industrial busy feel to it, almost like a punkified Prong "Prove You Wrong" vibe to it. Is that accurate?
I wish Mortville had a blog for the sake better quality grabs. I'm never going to own this, and it is plenty good enough to want at better than youtube. This isn't punk, but there's no thrash thread. Noisecore-stupid sensibilities on the low end and thrashy crossover on the high end, sort of like Lethal Aggression with more thrash.
Lappuss - "Content To Lick" Demo 1992, a thrash metal band from Williamsport, PA. "Content To Lick" was their only offering, released on cassette by Hellpit Productions in 1992.
https://youtu.be/F8nNLcXbv24
The best punk band over all time; is the almighty Rupture.
Saw this band when I was in Vancouver earlier this year and felt like I could have been watching Infest. They got that fast, angry no frills hardcore down pact. 4 minute demo tape? Into it. Put out on Slow Death which is basically the go-to place for regional British Columbia hardcore punk.
https://slow-death-records.bandcamp.com/album/blood-ties-demo
Slave to the Grind doc. After around the end of the Terrorizer part, I don't get the organization. Some of those interviewed give off dark vibes. Overall, which grind the makers chose to cover was maybe the most interesting aspect.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 29, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Slave to the Grind doc. After around the end of the Terrorizer part, I don't get the organization. Some of those interviewed give off dark vibes. Overall, which grind the makers chose to cover was maybe the most interesting aspect.
Doug is a great guy and very passionate about grind so even if I didn't agree with all the interview choices I enjoyed it for what it was. However that sentiment does not apply to Jon Chang, who gives off huge douche vibes with every word that comes out of his mouth...
I've been an SDS fanatic since the first note. These are some solid VHS transfers. And c'mon...CFDL and Iconoclast?! Abraham Cross was such an interesting, powerful band. These are all great.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwtZGJRD0KoRQlrP5dKBShQ/videos
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 02, 2020, 12:33:37 AM
I've been an SDS fanatic since the first note. These are some solid VHS transfers. And c'mon...CFDL and Iconoclast?! Abraham Cross was such an interesting, powerful band. These are all great.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwtZGJRD0KoRQlrP5dKBShQ/videos
This is great, thanks! Have always loved Abraham Cross' Kosmische/Kraut-influenced sound. Genius shit.
Zer uploaded a bunch of Guillotine Terror. The first album has a cool DxRxIx Crossover guitar sound to it. I wouldn't say it is crossover, but that tone is.
"They sound like SDS." "No, they don't. Not really."
With less cheese and licking, and with SDS in their faster moments in mind, Guillotine Terror - Japanese Corruption 1994 reminds me more of SDS than many bands sold under the SDS likeness.
I thought I was just grabbing some Japanese whatever for reference because I (wrongly) thought they were on the MCR Deadly Sins CD, but this is fun stuff. They're in that Beyond Description realm. Or Slang too. Changing directions. Escape categorization. Adept.
Third World Planet (Eric Boros/Hermit)...
Had to switch things up from Guillotine Terror and Rapoon with World Waste, their first tape. This band was really good from the git-go. When wishing for a comprehensive Hermit bandcamp or archive.org page, I'd hope for Third World Planet to be included. They sometimes get labeled as power-violence, but that's not very accurate. They aren't out there or whacky either, so hardcore is a more apropos. Wouldn't want anyone to get turned off if they hadn't heard them. This tape has a woman on vocals, and she adds a great texture. I tend to forget how much they did. I think of them as only having an LP and a 7", but they recorded a fair bit. I wish I had more.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 13, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
Third World Planet (Eric Boros/Hermit)...
Had to switch things up from Guillotine Terror and Rapoon with World Waste, their first tape. This band was really good from the git-go. When wishing for a comprehensive Hermit bandcamp or archive.org page, I'd hope for Third World Planet to be included. They sometimes get labeled as power-violence, but that's not very accurate. They aren't out there or whacky either, so hardcore is a more apropos. Wouldn't want anyone to get turned off if they hadn't heard them. This tape has a woman on vocals, and she adds a great texture. I tend to forget how much they did. I think of them as only having an LP and a 7", but they recorded a fair bit. I wish I had more.
Jason from TWP was in some other bands, notably Mexican Power Authority, and now runs Supreme Echo - primarily reissuing hard to find (or never issued) material from the early days of the Vancouver area punk scene. Very thankful for his Private School reissue and can't wait for him to do Active Dog. The Supreme Echo shop in Victoria is tiny, maybe the smallest record shop I've ever been in. Feels smaller than a bedroom.
I remember that TWP 8.5" flexi EVERYWHERE in the 90's. You couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a copy.
I really liked the Northern Haze LP he reissued, very amazing work on that. I enjoyed the Triton Warrior 7" as well and I'm super excited for the Neos LP reissue he's doing! I have yet to pick up that Mission of Christ LP even though I feel like it might be real raw and right up my alley.
Quote from: holy ghost on August 13, 2020, 11:43:08 PMI have yet to pick up that Mission of Christ LP even though I feel like it might be real raw and right up my alley.
feels like it could be on Wild Riders of Boards. The Accused + ABC Diabolo or something. It's not super raw, but it has a great, early vibe to it.
Some recent releases I enjoyed:
Armor (from 2019 but missed it and picked up the recent repress):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXYX29vsVbU
Bib (new LP rips):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpGS12gCFC8
Regimen De Terror (Spanish Discharge worship):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV7bM8FBmu0
Looking forward to the book. Hoping there is an entire chapter on October File. As an aside, I don't know how you mention "but they always sounded like fourth or fifth generation copies" and not somewhere offer them lossless.
Over the years, there has been a demand for an official re-release of the band's early demos. Thanks to the folks at @songpreserve, the original 1981 and 1982 Die Kreuzen demos are now available digitally. These are the early blueprints that would eventually be released officially on the Cows and Beer 7" as well as the self titled LP. The 1981 demo was recorded to help the band book shows, and the 1982 demo was sold by the band at shows and through mail order. While there are no unreleased songs on either of these, it's great to have these tracks in their earliest forms and hear how they progressed over the years.
Rips of these demos have circulated the internet for a while now, but they always sounded like fourth or fifth generation copies. The reissue sounds fantastic, due in no small part to the expertise of Justin Perkins at @mystery_room_mke. Remastering from old cassettes can be a challenge, but he did a fantastic job of bringing them back to life for the digital age. It also features killer design work by the one and only @stealworks, influenced by his recent "Punk Note" series. Proceeds from all @songpreserve releases go to charity, and for this release, Die Kreuzen has chosen @wcmusic1899, which is Wisconsin's oldest non-profit community music school.
This is a *digital only* release and I don't believe there are any plans for a physical release anytime soon. Head on over to your streaming service of choice to hear them.
https://songpreserve.com/index.php/component/muscol/D/71-die-kreuzen/204-demos
https://www.instagram.com/diekreuzenbook
Ive gone back and forth with punk over the years. I've always been fond of Cro-mags and even some Angry Somoans here and there. Definitely can't handle any of the pop-punk stuff and the majority of it just puts me in an awful mood. One of the more recent bands i've really loved (my version of recent so it's already pretty old I guess) is a band called No. They only have one album to my knowledge titled "treating people like they don't exist" which is just about as cool as you can get for an album title. It's an absolute nightmare to try and find any info on the band due to their name but I'm pretty sure they did that on purpose. If you haven't heard it definitely give it a listen. It has the kind of energy and crazy off the wall quality that I think original punk had way back when it was new and exciting. I found a great review of it that conveniently has a stream of the album included. https://cvltnation.com/no-treating-people-like-they-dont-exist-review-full-stream/ super short songs that really can't be compared to anything else i've ever heard. Give it a whirl, you won't regret it.
No ruled! I believe they shared members with (among others) the Shitty Limits (which were also ace.)
I still have No demo in my shelves, which is the same kind of stuff as the LP. One of my bands also shared the stage with them back then and they were how you described them live as well, rather musically unhinged. I loved them.
Have been listening to a ton of Unwound lately - not a band I was into in the 90's but I've really come to appreciate their stuff these last few years. That takes me into stuff like Union of Uranus, Drift, Rorschach, Born Against, One Eyed God Prophecy...... last stuff I pulled out was In/Humanity's first LP and the first Damad record. Those two I was huge into in the 90's and have paid very little attention to since then, all of it has held up surprisingly well.
One record I really liked was the Food Not Bombs LP on Anomie Records. Great variety of weird screamo bands with some real heavy shit mixed in.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 13, 2020, 01:06:20 AM
No ruled! I believe they shared members with (among others) the Shitty Limits (which were also ace.)
I still have No demo in my shelves, which is the same kind of stuff as the LP. One of my bands also shared the stage with them back then and they were how you described them live as well, rather musically unhinged. I loved them.
Shitty Limits were great. Members of that band had done some really cool stuff prior to and following the Limits. Good Throb and Personnel come recommended.
Quote from: holy ghost on September 13, 2020, 03:14:32 PM
Have been listening to a ton of Unwound lately - not a band I was into in the 90's but I've really come to appreciate their stuff these last few years. That takes me into stuff like Union of Uranus, Drift, Rorschach, Born Against, One Eyed God Prophecy...... last stuff I pulled out was In/Humanity's first LP and the first Damad record. Those two I was huge into in the 90's and have paid very little attention to since then, all of it has held up surprisingly well.
I love this stuff too. That dense, swirling, quasi-psychedelic riffing and abrasion. The Bremen/German scene was also ferocious. The Dagda Threefold is another one when I brainstorm for this arena of hardcore.
^ Acme/Carol/Systral are long time favourites. I seem to have sold my Systral records at some point so I'm scanning discogs to try and re-buy some of those. I also remember that Morser LP being particularly great.
Given the popularity of HHIG/Union of Uranus I'm a little surprised Drift haven't had some sort of anthology collection. A seven inch, a split 7" and some comp tracks - would make a great one sided LP. Really great band playing very similar stuff. I know there were more, we saw a lot of the Ottawa/Quebec scene roll through Toronto in the 90's. Born Dead Icons I could never get into as well as From Ashes Rise. But I bet there quite a few other bands that have been forgotten to the wheels of time.....
You might dig Akephal too then, a German band which is kinda overlooked in that genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cktjgbfA3Mc
Quote from: urall on September 13, 2020, 08:29:20 PM
You might dig Akephal too then, a German band which is kinda overlooked in that genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cktjgbfA3Mc
The CD reissue of this has 5 previously unreleased tracks, one being 13 minutes of goof, plus a decent comp track. The previously unreleased are their best material, minus the goofer.
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Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 13, 2020, 01:06:20 AM
No ruled! I believe they shared members with (among others) the Shitty Limits (which were also ace.)
I still have No demo in my shelves, which is the same kind of stuff as the LP. One of my bands also shared the stage with them back then and they were how you described them live as well, rather musically unhinged. I loved them.
Shitty Limits were great. Members of that band had done some really cool stuff prior to and following the Limits. Good Throb and Personnel come recommended.
I didn't like Good Throb, actually. But to each their own, of course.
And while people mentioned Akephal, I spun the LP like 3 weeks ago for the first time in years. It aged rather well in my humble opinion.
Saw Acme one as a 3-piece without the bass player.. crushing, powerful set. Saw Carol after their 7" just came out. Liked the set and picked up their record. Never saw Systral and didn't care too much for Mörser. Another related band was called Stack. They stayed at my place once and I remember we all thought they were assholes so I never bothered to check out their records.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on September 14, 2020, 11:57:33 PM
Saw Acme one as a 3-piece without the bass player.. crushing, powerful set. Saw Carol after their 7" just came out. Liked the set and picked up their record. Never saw Systral and didn't care too much for Mörser. Another related band was called Stack. They stayed at my place once and I remember we all thought they were assholes so I never bothered to check out their records.
Man, Systral. The 10". Floored me. This sounds dramatic, but that's one of those records you hear for the first time, and it actually stuns you. The record finishes, and you just sit there in silence for a bit. I think I wrote them to do a record soon after, but they were locked into Per Koro.
Stack...I don't think I ever appreciated how Rorschachian Stack was. I thought of them as more like Capitalist Casualties than German HC. After listening to their demo, which I'm not sure I'd heard before a couple years ago, it all clicked as a smart hybrid of the two.
I was digging around yesterday, and I heard Linsay for the first time. A nice surprise. Related to Lebensreform.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/902746-Linsay
Thanks to the wonders of discogs I've reordered myself a copy of that Systral 10" for like $12. I can't fathom what happened to my copy, I have the Acme LP and CD and all the rest of that metallic German hardcore so I can't see why I would have purged it.
One band I would NEVER have been keen on in the 90's was Moss Icon and I picked up that 3xLP discography a few years ago and I'm listening to it all the time. Like a band that.... feels things? Forget it man.... yet I'm really feeling it (now that I'm 40? What the fuck).
One band I was never super keen on musically is Downcast but I've kept the LP and 7" around forever just because visually they're so great looking. I have to add them to my listening.
Was there a better Bremen/German Rorschachian full length than Morser's Two Hours To Doom? That Systral 10" could maybe be considered a full length at nearly twenty minutes, but I'm not going to include it. The album Carol released a couple years ago that was mostly seven unreleased tracks from 1996 is also great. I can think of a couple others that are damn near (Acme, Ambush, ?), but none of them are at that Morser level. I guess it depends on the day. Acme and Ambush are so fucking good too.
I would severely like to cop that Carol LP. Their track on the Stack split is an all time banger.
Similar style was that Bombs of Death split 7" with Acrid. Max from Spazz, Steve Heritage and someone else, very similar type stuff. I gotta fish that one out.
I am reading Mutations by Sam McPheeters and read the Discharge chapter last night. I fished out the Why 12" and the LP - I don't think I've sat down and spun the vinyl in years!
Also had an urge to throw on the first Die Kruetzen 7" and my Necros boot 12" with all the hot tracks.
Die Kreuzen 7" = hardcore perfection.
Die Kreuzen's October File is such a brilliant album. Track sequence is on the money. Flows perfectly. 40 minutes later, and it feels like it just started. A time flier. What Voi Vod could have maybe accomplished with a quality proggish album. I don't like the wording of that sentence, but October File feels like a lost Voi Vod album. Like it came out of nowhere, too. That's why I'd like some background and history around it in that upcoming book.
a few other worthwhile German HC bands: Aclys (the 1st album in particular), Acheborn (such an interesting and progressive album at the end), Zorn, Zann, Mine, The Men of Hell, Corrosive, Zelot, Golgatha, Graue Zellen. The Plot compilation. Not in that caustic realm and before that time, the Luzifers Mob 7" was a smoker. And ABC Diabolo - Last Intoxication of Senses is a top-10er of the 90s.
*what's the record for number of edits to a post?
Zeno, I'll add the first few Dawnbreed records to your German list as well.
Pretty sure Mine were Swiss.
https://kontoncrasher.storenvy.com/products/30991744-paranoid-out-raising-hell-lp (https://kontoncrasher.storenvy.com/products/30991744-paranoid-out-raising-hell-lp)
New Paranoid LP drops out of nowhere - very exciting! Ordered from Konton Crasher in the US before realizing the band had copies of the 12" of outtakes. Already regretting that one.
Quote from: Nolan on September 23, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
Pretty sure Mine were Swiss.
I think I've screwed that up before. Thanks.
Stayed on that German road a bit longer. Zann continues to impress. I was more acquainted with their album than the singles/etc collection. That singles collection is cohesive and fierce with sharp and cool ideas. And then Systral - Black Smoker...it's not a continuation of Fever, but after a couple new listens, I finally might be there. The next time I run out of Napalm Death, I'm going to try Black Smoker. Needed to change my perspective to hear it.
I don't own the Zorn demo, but it's on youtube. A 25-minute demo, and at times, I was thinking of Contropotere. That's a good thing. That's my cue today. With that industrial feel, I fell off the German track into Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up Live 1990 and Psalm 69 1992. I'm always surprised with how well Ministry holds up. Doesn't hurt that the live album is one of the best of its kind, maybe ever. And the video is good as well.
I've also been talking about Naked Raygun elsewhere, so it only made sense to go from a little Chicago industrial metal to a little Chicago industrial indie (?) with Big Black. The sound they get on "Cables" makes me think of how Wood describes his bass as girders. Naked Raygun - All Rise 1987 is a fine, fine way to wake up. "Home of the Brave"...could name that tune in two seconds. What a guitar sound.
On a bit of a Framtid kick after being reminded of their two shows in at Varning in Montreal 3 years ago (fucking hell). The records are good but admittedly it's not something I listen to very often at all. Live, however, was unreal. The first night of the fest I remember being surprised that I enjoyed essentially all of the bands, and then Framtid capped the night and I instantly realized all the other bands sucked in comparison. They crushed them all so easily.
Saw Framtid once and it was insane. A friend of mine went crazy and put me in a headlock dragging me through the pit while drunken punks were smashing bottles over peoples head.
Legion of Death (Denver, Colorado)
I'd never heard this band. I enjoyed a demo and rehearsal yesterday. Lethal Aggression crossed with Repulsion crossed with the stupidity of certain noisecore. I'm told their Unconstructive Anarchism demo is good and was compared to "a more metal NYC Mayhem." I'll be hitting that one sometime soon. This was very good and fun.
Been playing this a lot. German noisy H.C. thrash https://mortvillenoise.bandcamp.com/album/real-h-c-is-dead-noise-is-the-only-way-extended-version
Detente - Recognize No Authority + demos 1986 - this is new to me. I've flipped by this record on many occasion, but it never interested me. Someone recently called them the US version of Sacrilege, so I had to give it a go. Dawn Crosby went onto form Fear of God, which I think I may have heard. I know I went to a show with Grave and Incantation opening for FoG, but I think I left a couple songs into their set. I don't remember them at all. Detente has more metal/thrash sensibilities than Sacrilege, making it second rate to that, but I really enjoyed this album and then demos. It's great to still have unheard fun albums to find.
Onslaught - The Shadow of Death (demos) - another band relatively new to me. I flipped by Power from Hell and The Force hundreds of times. The covers seemed so cheesy and awful (I still think they look like lazy, bad covers). They couldn't be any good. A couple years ago I finally heard Power from Hell for the first time. What a surprise. These demos are so cool. Discharge and GBH and so many things great...except more bad cover art.
Giuseppe Carabino - U Ruševinama 84'-86' demo - Yugoslavian punk - interesting and a good listen.
and then some Blood Duster, Mutator demo (ex-Threatener), Massacre demo (Finnish punk), and Whiplash.s
Quote from: Decrepitude on October 03, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
Been playing this a lot. German noisy H.C. thrash https://mortvillenoise.bandcamp.com/album/real-h-c-is-dead-noise-is-the-only-way-extended-version
This looks right up my alley!! Not on my radar, cheers!
This somewhat ties into this thread: http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=10998.0
I had no idea people collected old pins/badges/buttons. It should have been obvious, but I guess the fact that most of them were bootlegged and not official merchandise of bands made me think of them as "junk" or afterthought, sort of like screened patches not seeming like they could ever be collectible or valuable in any other sense (unless associated with a release). Fashion and developing culture. All this is pinging because of something General Speech said in two instagram posts and then is also doing with his label. Packages of reproduction posters, flyers, and other memorabilia. I'm sure they aren't the first or only. Distort Reality Records is big on keychains, pins, and fashion oriented things. This was (is?) all commonplace in record stores back when, but I can't think of too many DIY labels venturing off into memorabilia beyond T-shirts and patches. It's interesting that these online stores can be vibed into feeling like old record store culture. Is it just me, though? Maybe I'm making something out of nothing. Or maybe I just like that obsessive types are digging further into the minutia of this culture.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIZqyBDKwt/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHNsk0vDCAX/
GISM reissues on Relapse! Apparently the site crashed because so many people tried to order a special edition. I just ordered a cd, perfect music to blast while driving to work.
Been on a bender for early LA punk/hardcore - Redd Kross, Circle Jerks, Adolescents, Agent Orange, Wasted Youth, TSOL, Angry Samoans.... turned me on to OFF! who I have ignored this whole time and just totally clicked with. Old heads doing early Flag style hc with absolutely nothing new but great hooks and classic Ginn esque riffs. Killer shit for a midlife crisis hardcore binge....
Quote from: holy ghost on February 20, 2021, 03:39:16 AM
Agent Orange, TSOL
Both of these guys are usually never far from punk rotation over here, but just revisited Living In Darkness the other day. Perfect record.
Great UK82 retro band..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBN-Q8q05ww&feature=emb_logo
Yes, OFF! is impressive for what it is. I didn't even know about it until a couple years ago. That s/t album from 2012 is my favorite. The EPs before it are also good.
OFF! - s/t 2012 - I love the guitar work; good distortion and riffs. The guitarist knows his shit. Such a great early punk feel. I don't listen to a lot of stuff in the punky-punk or neo-vintage punk areas of HC, but I probably would listen to more of it, if it was like this. A lot of people these days take a walk back in time. That's cool and fine and all, but in my opinion, they fail at taking the listener back along with them. This record does not fail.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on February 21, 2021, 01:29:07 PM
Great UK82 retro band..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBN-Q8q05ww&feature=emb_logo
Yeah, liking this one a lot. Anything LVEUM puts out is usually worth the time to investigate.
Have been listening to this Poison Ruin lp a lot this week. Really fucking good. https://youtu.be/zAktfrVnDu0 (https://youtu.be/zAktfrVnDu0)
Currently consuming UK's CHISEL, great mix of UK HC a la violent reaction and traditional oi with strong debt to Blitz, the Rejects and also Hard skins. There are a couple of tracks that have very similar riffs to this or that song, but they are amazing.
Radio Raheem is such a consistently great label. They keep proving it, over and over again, and I keep repeating it. And their records don't look like, feel like, or sound like bubblegum machine products. The Psychos and Sarcasm collection LPs are smokers and pure joy. If you're into early Agnostic Front, you have to hear The Psychos, and if you like early crust and crossover, you have to hear the Sarcasm demos. United Mutation always blow my mind with how progressive they were at the time. Did Pushead get inspiration from them? Such nasty and gritty stuff.
Also revisited the 2010's material from Misery, which is as great as anything they ever did. The album from 2011 is 54+ minutes, and it is solid throughout. Powerful, psychedelic heaviness.
Flesh Parade - Kill Whitey 7" + demos. The vocals can simultaneously get on my nerves and are entirely unique. I never remember what they sound like.
La Pestilencia - La Muerte...Un Compromiso De Todos 1989. Columbian HC/thrash/grind/something. Ugly and raw, as you'd expect from a more complex Herpes. I'd never heard of them until the recent boot of this album. One of those albums you don't know where to go after listening to it. It's amazing they don't get more talk. I still think Confusion are the kings, but I'm all there for this.
More Japanese issues on Relapse. A Zouo collection and a new album from Struggling Harsh Immortals, which are clearly influenced by Ministry. The Zouo download has a bunch not included on the record.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on February 21, 2021, 09:16:47 PM
Yes, OFF! is impressive for what it is. I didn't even know about it until a couple years ago. That s/t album from 2012 is my favorite. The EPs before it are also good.
I'd seen those OFF! records EVERYWHERE at one point and never even realized what it was. I've been listening to both LPs a lot lately. I have no idea who the "Burning Brides" are that guitar player has a great sound. Jeff McDonald always brings a great element to a band. I even find the newer Melvins records with him slightly more tolerable, and while I like early to mid period Melvins as much as the next guy, some of that newer shit I've heard is fucking absolute unlistenable garbage (in a bad way).
I think the thing about OFF! is it's just old heads playing. It's not "retro" at all. And the dude from Earthless is such a good drummer and I like pointless psych jamming as much as the next guy but those Earthless records you can only spin once in a while. Honestly I only ever really go back to the first LP and that first live DLP. The Earthless rhythm section did a live record with J. Mascis and the guitar player from Annihilation Time that was super good too.... Earthless Meets Heavy Blanket? It was wild shit.
I'm really keen to hear what Rudimentary Peni is up too. Apparently a new record? Or a "lost" record coming out? And reissues of the 7"s and Death Church. La Vida just posted the master tapes on their Instagram. That's exciting! Any sort of "top ten" list I'd ever make would have Death Church on it.
I was jamming the AXEGRINDER LP a lot lately in the car. My LP is in need of a new reissue and thankfully I see there's a cheap 2020 press out there. Pretty stoked to upgrade to a better player copy.
I'm really looking forward to the R.P. reissue campaign and although I'm not the biggest fan of anything post 1990 I'll still check out the new album.
I will say that I think Cacophony is a stronger release than Death Church. I think both are phenomenal but Cacophony is maybe my top favourite punk record of all time.
After GISM reissue (with censored artwork) Relapse now reissue ZOUO material! Is Japanese Hardcore their new direction? Let's find out!
Quote from: totalblack on March 11, 2021, 01:00:23 AM
I'm really looking forward to the R.P. reissue campaign and although I'm not the biggest fan of anything post 1990 I'll still check out the new album.
I will say that I think Cacophony is a stronger release than Death Church. I think both are phenomenal but Cacophony is maybe my top favourite punk record of all time.
The newer stuff certainly doesn't hold a candle to the classic 80's material, but I would say that they are one of the few bands from the time period to not completely go down the shitter. I'm not totally in the loop with their new material, but
Echoes Of Anguish came out post-90s (97 I believe), and it's a phenomenal record. Especially compared with how much garbage was being pumped out during this time period.
'Cacophony' and 'Death Church' are both flawless albums. There is not much between them but I slightly prefer 'Cacophony' as its varied angles on the Lovecraft theme make it a unique experience full of bizarre humour.
For later records, I am very fond of the 'Archaic' EP from 2004. I think it stands up against any of their classic works.
With some recommendations, digging more into UK82. I'm again jumping back and forth between UK82 and my tried and true 90's dis-, though digging into the 2nd and 3rd tiers with the likes of No Admission, Masslakt, Zionide, etc. And then this oddball Swedish crusty metal band ENS! I remember seeing their 7" in the bins, but it looked like an awful boilerplate anarcho record, which is sort of bullshit, because it now reminds me of something the great Scatha or Sedition would use. A new perspective.
THE find as of late:
The Fiend – Complete Recordings 83-87 - absolute Discharge style with some Ian MacKaye yelling in the vocals - I can't believe I've never heard anyone talk about this band - so, so good.
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on March 11, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
After GISM reissue (with censored artwork) Relapse now reissue ZOUO material! Is Japanese Hardcore their new direction? Let's find out!
I've heard Dwid from Integrity is managing all these Japanese reissues and working with the bands; I'm happy they're seeing some $$ after being booted to hell. Very stoked for the S.H.I. LP and inevitable M.A.N. reissue.
I know Radio Raheem was just mentioned here and I finally got around to checking out Sacrilege – Thoughts Are But Dreams Till Their Effects Are Tried - 1985 Demos LP - I sort of glossed over it because NYC hardcore or bands that sound like typical NYC hardcore are just not my bag, but this was just great Discharge-esque stuff. Apparently the link between Agnostic Front and Nausea? I haven't spun either band in a long assed time and will have to rectify that. I am pretty sure I have the Nausea LP and the Cybergod 7" in a box in my basement somewhere.
Quote from: Eigen Bast on March 15, 2021, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: Grübelschlinge on March 11, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
After GISM reissue (with censored artwork) Relapse now reissue ZOUO material! Is Japanese Hardcore their new direction? Let's find out!
I've heard Dwid from Integrity is managing all these Japanese reissues and working with the bands; I'm happy they're seeing some $$ after being booted to hell. Very stoked for the S.H.I. LP and inevitable M.A.N. reissue.
M.A.N. reissue!!!!
Quote from: holy ghost on March 15, 2021, 09:47:19 PM
I know Radio Raheem was just mentioned here and I finally got around to checking out Sacrilege – Thoughts Are But Dreams Till Their Effects Are Tried - 1985 Demos LP - I sort of glossed over it because NYC hardcore or bands that sound like typical NYC hardcore are just not my bag, but this was just great Discharge-esque stuff. Apparently the link between Agnostic Front and Nausea? I haven't spun either band in a long assed time and will have to rectify that. I am pretty sure I have the Nausea LP and the Cybergod 7" in a box in my basement somewhere.
Radio Raheem isn't limiting itself to the traditional definition of NYHC. It covers all styles. Against, Sarcasm, Insanity, and Hellbent might also be of interest.
crossed out
https://internalhc.bandcamp.com/album/primal-state
the new Electric Chair 7" = total victory. High speed mixture of Minor Threat and Die Kreuzen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhH0s9wrsOM
for those who like Extreme Noise Terror grind and Disrupt punk. Not a lo-fi demo, either. One of my favorites of the year so far.
https://www.instagram.com/pervitinhc/
Nice lofi punkrock from Spain; https://prisonaffair.bandcamp.com/releases
Been listening to nothing but ex-Yugo punk lately. One of the best and most underrated scenes of the 80s
Stres D.A.
Necrophilia
Depresija
Distress
Herpes Distress
III.Kategorija
U.B.R.
Odpadki Civilizacije
Giuseppe Carabino
Many tracks for these bands are available on YouTube and most of these band's materials have been reissued in some form or another. Discography LPs, Cassette only releases reissued as LP's. Worth checking out.
Quote from: NerveGas on July 08, 2021, 01:46:31 AM
Distress
Herpes Distress
Herpes Distress is an infinitely better name
Goodbye World LP is excellent. Blazing fast
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/at-deaths-door
Speaking of which, Gauze have a new record out next week!
Quote from: Eigen Bast on July 13, 2021, 04:48:24 AM
Goodbye World LP is excellent. Blazing fast
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/at-deaths-door
This and The Repos are my go to for pissed off punk
Quote from: HateSermon on July 23, 2021, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: Eigen Bast on July 13, 2021, 04:48:24 AM
Goodbye World LP is excellent. Blazing fast
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/at-deaths-door
This and The Repos are my go to for pissed off punk
On a slightly related note, I finally spent some time with the Vile Gash stuff. Holy hell, such crushing shit.
Also, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but this Horrendous 3-D record has to be one of the best hardcore 7"s I've picked up in a long time. Just nasty and fucking relentless.
https://horrendous3d.bandcamp.com/album/the-gov-and-corps-are-using-psycho-electronic-weaponry-to-manipulate-you-and-me (https://horrendous3d.bandcamp.com/album/the-gov-and-corps-are-using-psycho-electronic-weaponry-to-manipulate-you-and-me)
Indigesti - Osservati Dall'Inganno 1985
When an Italian does HR/Bad Brains. If I've heard this, it didn't grab me until now.
Probably going to be my favorite reissue of the year. Not one that I thought would ever get reissued, either.
Enough! - Darkside + Juggling Jugulars 7" 1996-1997 - Polish deathy, grindy crust. Think Hiatus and Master and Swedish death metal. It's too bad CDs aren't in vogue, because it could have included another demo (1998 and not listed on Discogs) and their split 10" w/ Nula.
Now, if we can only get the gone-religious conservative of Piekło Kobiet to allow someone to reissue all their great music.
Does anyone know a good Hardcore podcast to learn more about the past?
https://youtu.be/qy7CUgFUeJM
A track from the upcoming album of my street punk project.
Dead City.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQPoc1O38o
Seems fun!
From new hc punk, I almost bought one LP. Heard this live recordings of KOMA and thought, I really need the LP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPCxOyq4Ok
Then I heard the LP and wondered why does even "raw hc punk" sound so computer processed? Distorted yes, but that above linked live should be rather pressed on LP, cd or tape, and it would be good to get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVM6LQpy7k
Latest purchases last saturday visited Joensuu city new record store, and they had surprisingly good punk LP section. Finnish punk/hc band SA-INT is something I always bought if there were available in front of me, but would not order anything. In this store I found Ihmiskunnan Historia LP from 2017 (band exists since 1984!). Cheap. Still missing the very latest 7" that came out while ago. These days unless you order direct from label, getting punk 7"s ain't very likely. I got so much hc/punk already, so it's not like I'd absolutely need anything new. While ago acquired probably additional couple hundreds 7"s 80's/90's 7" for myself, so ordering one or two somewhere would demand item to be really exceptionally good.
Dischord 200 7" boxset arrived here last week. I only have 3 of the original pressings (both MT and SOA) so this is a very welcome addition. Some of my favorite music ever.
I really enjoyed this interview with Dino Sommese of the legendary Dystopia. Still one of my favorite drummers/vocalists. Though I can not fucking stand crust punks, this is one of those bands that for me, never gets old. Also glad to hear that the band will never play again. As much as I'd like to see these dudes live, some things just need to stay in the past.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKAxptf0P4
Quote from: HateSermon on March 09, 2022, 03:39:30 AM
I really enjoyed this interview with Dino Sommese of the legendary Dystopia. Still one of my favorite drummers/vocalists. Though I can not fucking stand crust punks, this is one of those bands that for me, never gets old. Also glad to hear that the band will never play again. As much as I'd like to see these dudes live, some things just need to stay in the past.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKAxptf0P4
Have seen a part of this already and Dystopia (& Asunder as a matter of fact too) will forever be one of my fave bands too. I was lucky enough to seem them twice or so back in the day, never disappointed.
I come from an Oi! / hardcore skinhead background myself. First time I heard power electronics it completely blew my mind.
Interesting writing about Rock-O-Rama records
https://creaseslikeknives.wordpress.com/2022/03/15/the-germans-are-coming-an-interview-with-bjorn-fischer-about-rock-o-rama/
you will get from there to two stories. Mostly it is kind of advertising for upcoming 400pages book on topic (german language), so many replies will end with "more information in the book"...
It covers a bit of RAC, but both book and interview is more about the punk days of RoR, before it become mostly known as label who put out Skrewdriver and other such bands.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 08, 2022, 08:41:27 AM
From new hc punk, I almost bought one LP. Heard this live recordings of KOMA and thought, I really need the LP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPCxOyq4Ok
Then I heard the LP and wondered why does even "raw hc punk" sound so computer processed? Distorted yes, but that above linked live should be rather pressed on LP, cd or tape, and it would be good to get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVM6LQpy7k
Latest purchases last saturday visited Joensuu city new record store, and they had surprisingly good punk LP section. Finnish punk/hc band SA-INT is something I always bought if there were available in front of me, but would not order anything. In this store I found Ihmiskunnan Historia LP from 2017 (band exists since 1984!). Cheap. Still missing the very latest 7" that came out while ago. These days unless you order direct from label, getting punk 7"s ain't very likely. I got so much hc/punk already, so it's not like I'd absolutely need anything new. While ago acquired probably additional couple hundreds 7"s 80's/90's 7" for myself, so ordering one or two somewhere would demand item to be really exceptionally good.
Almost all new punk suffers from over processed computer approach. Not ever living up to "raw" description. Would be better if bands just invested in 4 tracks and sounded like shit. Not even in an effort to get a vintage sound, but because one must simply ask... would you rather listen to old 80's Scandi, Finnish, German, Japanese, etc. classics or new processed sound of today. I think the answer is obvious. Bands are scared to sound too rough, or perhaps just settle for recording with interface directly into computer with easily accessible digital editing software. As for
Sa-int I think they are great Finnish HC perhaps in the same lesser championed ranks with later 80's/early 90's bands such as
Treblinka,
Tuomio,
Sairaat Mielet,
Jumalten Ruoska,
Attanas, and
Stop Vivisection - Use Yuppies compilation. Have never listened to their stuff when they changed name to
In-Saint, but I have always assumed it is not very good. Perhaps I will be proven wrong if I give it a chance. Passed up the LP for very cheap last year.
Also,
Rock-O-Rama book looks like a must have, but it is only in German correct? And written by a member of
Recharge, a band I have not heard mentioned in many years. Regardless of language, thrilled that someone is documenting one of the more important labels of the 80's that released countless classics.
I'm much more into the tough guy/beatdown/NYHC styled stuff. These have gotten a lot of plays lately. First one came by mention from the Eternal Champion vocalist. HC out of San Antonio TX. This particular song borrow a LOT from Agnostic Front track from "One Voice''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0I9iIcmEEk
Been into this album for a while but recently revisiting a lot. Straight edge stuff... intros/outros are weird field recordings/ambient loops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIx0fwYs0bI
Been listening some of the american hardcore podcast. This SSD interview pretty good recollections of how things were with early days sXe, Boston hardcore etc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgQW4bUd_A
For Finns (due language of podcast is Finnish), not really that directly related, but in other hand perhaps most famous "sXe" hardcore-punk band of late 80's/early 90's Finland, Sairaat Mielet. Singer interviewed in 2 hour episode that will cover several topics. Passion for the original hardcore punk, noisy-hc, aggressive no-alcohol, no drugs attitude but musically quite different from what was the straight edge hardcore sound or look. Lots of talk about the Finn punk scene in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhgVQCNYuz0
Episode will follow with same singer talking of noisecore, including bands he was in, Arse, Arseslaughter, Yesmeansyes. All in Finnish, unfortunately!
I absolutely LOVE Sairaat Mielet, the best sxe band ever haha. The "Tippa Tappaa" 7"is one of my favourite punk records ever as he band was musically so proficient compared to their peers. I have a few songs from a compilation tape that don't appear on the discography LP and that I believe were recorded around the end of the band, the material is quite amazing, probably their best written stuff.
There is comp tape called No Pain (vol 1) that has some tracks from demo 1992 that were not published on the comp LP. Also, there is 3rd unreleased demo/ep. It is being talked in interview. Studio recording, but style if radical sXe grindcore. Story goes Sairaat Mielet was approached by european sXe label back then, asking if there would be any new stuff. When he read the lyric translations, release was turned down due too offensive content.
In this interview, lots of interesting talk about old school hardcore and noisy-hardcore. Analysis of the differences what Sairaat Mielet had compared to the youth crew sXe hardcore. As band was hc-punk band focusing against alcohol & drugs, but less about "sXe". They considered themselves rather in lineage of Finnish '82 hc and bands like Lärm. Not among the late 80's straight edge culture, that was separate from traditional hc-punk.
Yeah, that's the comp tape I'm talking about. Youth crew is the worst thing that ever happened to hardcore after all the good bands from the early 80's turning into shit metal or crossover. I'm also not sure I want to hear straight edge grind core (I always think about Monster X, which I don't like.) I was against drugs and alcohol before I knew sxe existed or heard Minor Threat (let alone youth crew) and the awful music and attitudes are why I never really identified with it (and also why Sairaat Mielet were such a breath of fresh air for me.)
I'd love to hear that unreleased material. Hopefully it'll come out at some point. If the sound is as good as the unreleased YMY LP, it's probably great.
I love 'youth crew'. Turning Point, Unit Pride, Side by Side, Judge, Youth of Today, Chain of Strength and Brotherhood all made really good records. Esp. when keeping in mind the rest of the scene was playing emo or crossover in 1988.
My favorite new skinhead band; https://violentwayoi.bandcamp.com/album/violent-way-ep
gotta love XXX HC by LARM to XVX of Vanguard purity of mind till the end of time
Been on an Excel and The Accused bender for about a week now. The Return, More Fun, and Martha are such incredible, classic records. I never tire of them. Hymns was the next MLP, mostly made up of covers. Not sure how they went from Martha to this, with its weird and wannabe big production. I have a tough time getting through Grinning. The double-bass drums clutter up the sound and annoy me. Straight Razor is slightly better, but still not good. I think they must've been listening to Led Zeppelin's Coda and Beastie Boys; just an oddball period album. Splatter Rock is the best thing since Martha and pretty surprising after drudging through all the funk and hip-hop muck for at least four years. I don't often listen to the Rejectors split, but I was even in the mood for their standard punk. I don't understand why bands and labels do things like The Archive Tapes 1981-1986. They have anywhere from 2-5 tracks from the same recordings, but they split them up and randomly scatter them across a collection. It's a mess of a listen. You want a reason for files over plastic? Here's a good example. Reassemble them by date.
The Joke's on You has such monstrous, smooth production. It matches up perfectly with the sailing, furious guitar style. Powerful, really catchy songs. It has some period elements that can make you look away for a moment, but still, this thing smokes for me. I'm OK with those decisions. I hadn't heard the two demos that followed it until a couple days ago. They were only available on the Rotten Records 2001 CD reissue. It's too bad they couldn't have done another album like The Joke's, but they'd already moved into some pretty bad territory by 1991. I really don't understand the direction, other than like so many other great bands of the time, possibly trying to get some loot and fifteen minutes on Headbanger's Ball. You can hear why Infectious Grooves was their next stop. There are a couple few collections of live recordings, and this band was a machine. The drumming was noteworthy, and that guy could pull it off live.
Back to listening to early Steinklang 2nd and 3rd tier power-electronics and trying to find more like Militia.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on March 30, 2022, 09:35:51 PM
I love 'youth crew'. Turning Point, Unit Pride, Side by Side, Judge, Youth of Today, Chain of Strength and Brotherhood all made really good records. Esp. when keeping in mind the rest of the scene was playing emo or crossover in 1988.
Youth Crew was awesome, I enjoy all of the scene revivals that it has had as well. Listened to lots of stuff like Warzone, Youth of Today, 7 Seconds, Floorpunch, etc...
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 30, 2022, 08:22:52 AM
There is comp tape called No Pain (vol 1) that has some tracks from demo 1992 that were not published on the comp LP.
ahhh the good old No Pain comp series. I used to be in contact with JP doing these. Time to grab these from the archives and give them a listen again.
For the Finns, again, there is 3rd part of Toni Vesa interview. This last episode talks about collecting hardcore punk, focusing mostly on 1st wave of hardcore. 1,5 hours of talk, so various sides of collecting, record dealers, shops, making deals and all sorts of punk is dealt with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXYj590O_yQ
Groinoids. Hadn't heard of them 'till just now. Kilslug's been called "dirge punk", which is a phrase I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxmMP-kWF8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxmMP-kWF8)
I bought a batch of old hardcore punk records last week including the Kilslug - Necktie Party 7". Don't think I ever heard the Groinoids. Will check them out.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on April 12, 2022, 03:46:34 PM
Groinoids. Hadn't heard of them 'till just now. Kilslug's been called "dirge punk", which is a phrase I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxmMP-kWF8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkxmMP-kWF8)
They had a track on the classic compilation This Is Boston Not LA as well
My favorite hc/punk record of 2022; Tyrant 7" on Rebellion..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK22xSS_LLM
Besides Finnish hc/punk, not so much foreign bands been bought. One of the rare new purchases was Koma "Internment Failure" LP.
First got interested after seeing the live video year ago, with good sound:
KOMA live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpPCxOyq4Ok
Was checking that they had LP out, but situation with Finnish hc/punk distros is quite miserable, I suppose. Then checked out the audio from YouTube and was quite annoyed by shitty sound. Live stuff is striking and hard hitting, and on the LP major focus is merely on fat kick drum taking all attention, vocals barely audible and abundance of distortion sounds more like it would be... artificial in wrong way. As if this was mixed on computer and trying to get it loud by turning everything loud and ending up in pretty lame result. Anyways, when I happened to see LP for sale while buying other stuff, I did grab it. Despite flaws, it is one of the better hc/punk kind of albums that I've heard in recent years. It would be still killer if there would be full recording of the above linked gig published physically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVM6LQpy7k
I admit to being largely out of touch with the current punk/hc scene. Even so, according to Spotify stats one of my most listened to artists over the last few years were Vidro, Swedish veteran punks who've racked up a good number of years in the business between them. Hell, the drummer was even in Kurt I Kuvös back in the 80's. Their debut album Allt Brinner from 2018 has been on constant rotation, periodically. I particularly appreciate the guitar work, that "shards of broken glass" sound that I associate mainly with Big Black. Incidentally the guitarist is Brazilian (vidro = glass in Portuguese). There are a ton of live recordings on the Tube but none that really holds up to the studio material,
https://vidro.bandcamp.com/album/allt-brinner
Top picks are tracks 3, 6, and 7. Coming out of the anarcho/squat milieu, some lyrics are bogged down by the members' esposual of an open-borders, multi-cultural Europe, but non Swedish speakers won't be bothered by that.
Shameless self promotion, but our latest Kova Totuus EP is online now. Tape out later during this summer:
https://kovatotuushc.bandcamp.com/album/ep
I love me some Rorschachian German HC, especially the stuff out of Bremen and the Kuschelrock Studios, like Systral, Morser, and other early Per Koro label bands. I'm a nut for gasoline vocals like that. The Systral 10" and Morser LP/CD are two of the best releases of the 90s and bona fide hardcore classics in my opinion. I think one of the Morser/Systral guys owns Kuschelrock Studios, which I'm told is possibly why the Systral 10" is so well executed. They had ample time in the studio to work through all the ideas. That Systral 10" plays out like a concept album of perfectly assembled song pieces and precision sequenced tracks. You could index it like a classical music piece. The Plot comp is one of the most important compilations of the 90s (and it can be had for $2 on discogs). For a few years there, I used it as a map (similarly to how Crust and Anguished Life functioned).
https://www.discogs.com/release/2650255-Various-Plot
I've been getting into the second tier, latter bands. Anger is Beautiful, Shikari (Dutch, but recorded a tKuschelrock Studios), Cathode (also Dutch), Fear is the Path to the Dark Side, Paranoia Keeps Crawling, Zeroid*, Arsen aka König der Monster, The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra, and maybe a couple others I'm forgetting right now. Some of it gets dangerously close to screamo, but I can deal with that to a point. Apoplexy is right there on the boundary. I do like some screamo, like Mohinder, Starkweather, Song of Zarathustra...
*Zeroid is related to Jeniger. With the passing of one of the core members of Hiatus, and after watching an interview with Paul Burdette (His Hero is Gone, Deathtreat, Tragedy), I've been thinking about what influenced that sound. Jeniger arrived at a similar place to Tragedy around the same time, and I've always thought Tragedy was influenced by Result (Japan) and Kort Prosess (Norwegian HC in general, like Bannalyst), but I'm now wondering if Unhinged had something to do with it. The first Unhinged album was hugely popular with the crusties and anarchopunks in Minneapolis, and because of how tight-knit the European squat and Skuld scene was, I think it reasonable that Unhinged played some role in where Jeniger ended up (and probably Tragedy too). It's also been said that At the Gates was influential in the evolution from His Hero is Gone to Tragedy, but I'm not as interested in that element.
this Unhinged album, which cover had a unique feel to the cardstock and low-quality printing:
https://youtu.be/9qObnFWadyo?si=vV6kEIbBwXjBV55V
and check out the fantastic Hiatus transition at 6:06 of this track:
https://youtu.be/ywFM7uuTMVY?si=uPwmIM-SVmbMriU5&t=290
and lastly, Genital Deformities...
Genital Deformities/Subcaos 1994 - I can almost guarantee I haven't heard GD since the 90s, and then I wouldn't have given them a fair listen - surprised they haven't come up in talk, particularly when I've asked around for recommendations in that caveman/Agathocles realm - what a strange multi-cusper of things they are - crustier than Agathocles when Agathocles is at their crustiest (Black Clouds Determinate), but deathy like mincecore - Subcaos didn't have a chance of me paying a lot of attention, but they're good too.
Genital Deformities - Shag Nasty Oi! 1989 - also great, but I like the split material better - need to hear their demo. Someone please reissue all GD on a 2LP.
There's been some great crust lately, but that's for another time.
Alkochol Front - ...? 1995 - another one of those Polish tape-only albums, and it is their only release on Discogs - one of the vocals sounds like Shawn from Capitalist Casualties, and the other guy sounds like Dean when Extreme Noise Terror played live around the Phonophobia era, so a little crusty and a lot more HC thrashy.
Kangrena - Estoc De Pus 1984 - Spain - this is interesting; sort of borders on fuzzy, quasi proto noisecore with SoCal singalong punk elements - new to me, and I appreciate it; not sure I'll come back to it very often, but for 1984, it's very cool.
browsed a bit this thread, clicked the links and then found this band from the suggested videos, which sounds good at the moment:
Stinker - Doomed Earth EP (https://stinkercrust.bandcamp.com/album/doomed-earth-ep)