I am not a big fan of these genres but I would like to prove here that there are many interesting projects which break stereotypes and create the very great music, sometimes much more valued than many industrial/PE/noise acts. The first, which I could recommend, is the Polish KALIBER 44, who was active in 90s (more about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliber_44).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvaqDdy_pf8
Drugs glorification, art/music as a tool to fight against society/culture, enter to magic, occult and satanism, will to be outside of society - all of that in great, very impressive lyrics, full of metaphors, multilayered and ambiguity. Full recommendation.
Public Enemy looked and sounded great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4D-GbQ9A4
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on June 09, 2012, 12:56:26 PMThe first, which I could recommend, is the Polish KALIBER 44
You should give MOSCOW DEATH BRIGADE a listen if you like KALIBER 44 > http://youtu.be/M7K8PFJI_Fw
In my own record collection that might fit the bill would be :
(straight up rap/hip hop)
WU-TANG CLAN
NWA
NON PHIXION
EL-P
KRS-One
BEASTIE BOYS
MOSCOW DEATH BRIGADE
(more experimental hip hop)
DALEK
CANNIBAL OX
FLEAPIT
TECHNO ANIMAL
(odd ball mainstream(y) hip hop)
M.I.A.
DIE ANTWOORD
(the whole "Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All" crew)
OFWGKTA
TYLER THE CREATOR
DOMO GENESIS
EARL SWEATSHIRT
ODD FUTURE
HODGY BEATS
MELLOWHYPE
Dälek - "Classical Homicide" (From Filthy Tongue Of Gods And Griots · 2002)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rs9PSG9qE
Dälek - "Eyes To Form Shadows" (Absence · 2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTeIq8CCG3s
Faust vs. Dälek - "T-Electronique" (Derbe Respect, Alder · 2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNzATC7Uu18
Dälek - "Paragraphs Relentless" (Abandoned Language · 2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvM5iVq5Nag
ICE T, PARIS, LORD FINESSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1MxGFncZgQ
Lee Chubby King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO6l2GYbBvM
"I'm big Kenny and I like crack,
I beat her in the face til her eyes went black!"
...evidently a piss-take from the Skinny Puppy crew, though I recall reading an interview with Kevin Key where he half-seriously claimed all the 80's rap artists ripped off Dig It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDKkRSUrTd8
"Boils bitten haggard pick vomit kicking out
Razor slide black eye shroud brain bespattered jaw"
Yup, clearly that's where Ghostface stole his stream-of-cosciousness style...
...but I personally think God's Gift (Maggot) is the greatest rap track ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xUOuzmujH4
Speaking of white boy rap, who could forget Renegade Soundwave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txRkk6df9CY
Fuck hip-hop. What should have been a worthy addition the the cannon of Black American music has turned into the the most worthless cock-suck of US capitalism. Ayn Rand would have hated the music (since she had the aesthetics of an lower-rung Nazi bureaucrat) but would have loved the message of corporate, arse-kissing, money-rooting rap stars that infest what hip-hop is today and would have tongue-loved hip-hop's gold and jewel encrusted knob to ejaculation just to get it's greasy slime on her puckered face before turning to the cameras to tell a brain-dead, absorbent world how wonderful it is that morons can free-form rotten blank verse celebrating the "virtures" of money, drugs, money, ridiculous consumer items, money and their own shattered, scattered, hand-jobbed egos over the vilest, least imaginative, derivative beats known to humanity. Hip-hop has evolved like a mutant Dalek into the cancer of modern music, from a lean, keen, killing machine to some kind of "and the winner is" furniture muzak. Fuck it. Hard. Up the arse. With a great fucking bowie knife. Then snap it off at the handle and leave it to fester up the gaping clacker of "da game". Fuck hip-hop.
Public Enemy, Cannibal Ox, some Digable Planets and that's about it. The rest can get raped.
You are such a beauty
What a pity
Oh what a pity
Oh what a pity
Oh what a pity
Oh what a pity
Oh what a pity
What a pity, what a delight
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 09, 2012, 05:37:20 PM
Fuck hip-hop. What should have been a worthy addition the the cannon of Black American music has turned into the the most worthless cock-suck of US capitalism. Ayn Rand would have hated the music (since she had the aesthetics of an lower-rung Nazi bureaucrat) but would have loved the message of corporate, arse-kissing, money-rooting rap stars that infest what hip-hop is today and would have tongue-loved hip-hop's gold and jewel encrusted knob to ejaculation just to get it's greasy slime on her puckered face before turning to the cameras to tell a brain-dead, absorbent world how wonderful it is that morons can free-form rotten blank verse celebrating the "virtures" of money, drugs, money, ridiculous consumer items, money and their own shattered, scattered, hand-jobbed egos over the vilest, least imaginative, derivative beats known to humanity. Hip-hop has evolved like a mutant Dalek into the cancer of modern music, from a lean, keen, killing machine to some kind of "and the winner is" furniture muzak. Fuck it. Hard. Up the arse. With a great fucking bowie knife. Then snap it off at the handle and leave it to fester up the gaping clacker of "da game". Fuck hip-hop.
Public Enemy, Cannibal Ox, some Digable Planets and that's about it. The rest can get raped.
Don't hold back dude, say what you really think ;)
It's a genre of limited worth and diminishing returns. In the 80s I liked Public Enemy, LL Cool J, Eric B & Rakim, Roxanne Shante, Schooly D, first Beastie Boys album. In the 90s, Dr Dre 'The Chronic', Gravediggaz and MC Eiht/Comptons Most Wanted. HATED the idiotic Snoop and Tupac as soon as they appeared. In recent times, quite enjoy some Nicki Minaj and Azealia Banks as well as Odd Future stuff.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 09, 2012, 05:37:20 PM
Fuck hip-hop. What should have been a worthy addition the the cannon of Black American music has turned into the the most worthless cock-suck of US capitalism. Ayn Rand would have hated the music (since she had the aesthetics of an lower-rung Nazi bureaucrat) but would have loved the message of corporate, arse-kissing, money-rooting rap stars that infest what hip-hop is today and would have tongue-loved hip-hop's gold and jewel encrusted knob to ejaculation just to get it's greasy slime on her puckered face before turning to the cameras to tell a brain-dead, absorbent world how wonderful it is that morons can free-form rotten blank verse celebrating the "virtures" of money, drugs, money, ridiculous consumer items, money and their own shattered, scattered, hand-jobbed egos over the vilest, least imaginative, derivative beats known to humanity. Hip-hop has evolved like a mutant Dalek into the cancer of modern music, from a lean, keen, killing machine to some kind of "and the winner is" furniture muzak. Fuck it. Hard. Up the arse. With a great fucking bowie knife. Then snap it off at the handle and leave it to fester up the gaping clacker of "da game". Fuck hip-hop.
Have you watched the JAY Z tour film Backstage from 2000? It contains everything you just said in your rant. Rockstar hubris and vulgarity turned up to 11. It's quite fascinating to watch.
"Howdy ya'll. This is Bernie Crosshouse, yours truly of the KKK. I would like to express our deepest gratitude at the destruction of the inferior Negro race. And I'm especially pleased to report that it is destroyin' itself without our help. To all you gangs, hoodlums, drug pushers and users and other worthless niggers killin' each other, we'd like to thank ya'll for savin' us the time, trouble and legality for the final chapter of riddin' ya'll off the face of the Earth. Your solution to our problem is greatly appreciated, so keep sellin' us your soul. Thank ya!!!"
- Public Enemy
EDIT This actually appears at the end of the recording from which GEWALTMONOPOL`s youtube clip is taken, but unfortunately does not appear on the clip. Would really be the crowning of that video.
Spectre is nice
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 04:28:35 PM
I recall reading an interview with Kevin Key where he half-seriously claimed all the 80's rap artists ripped off Dig It...
*cough*
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on June 09, 2012, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 09, 2012, 05:37:20 PM
Fuck hip-hop. What should have been a worthy addition the the cannon of Black American music has turned into the the most worthless cock-suck of US capitalism.
Have you watched the JAY Z tour film Backstage from 2000? It contains everything you just said in your rant. Rockstar hubris and vulgarity turned up to 11. It's quite fascinating to watch.
*cough*
...and given that Dig It is all about economic slavery, it seems they still are. Ripping off Skinny Puppy I mean. Just a bit more literally now.
"In the graveyard Key begins filling in an open grave filled with various office supplies, while this is occurring Ogre is singing a refrain that contains the line, `execute economic slave.`"
Lyrical genius:
As I step onto the stage
I grab the microphone
Then I hit another poem
And I go the fuck home
- Schoolly D
What more need be said?
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
What more need be said?
I wanted to show good examples. We mustn't write about funny and stupid artists, because everybody knows that mainstream hip hop / rap is shit.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on June 09, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
What more need be said?
I wanted to show good examples. We mustn't write about funny and stupid artists, because everybody knows that mainstream hip hop / rap is shit.
Not at all funny or stupid. I genuinely think Schoolly D hit a note of real genius there. Briefly, but there it was. I mean that`s about as unpretentious as you can get.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on June 09, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
What more need be said?
I wanted to show good examples. We mustn't write about funny and stupid artists, because everybody knows that mainstream hip hop / rap is shit.
Not at all funny or stupid. I genuinely think Schoolly D hit a note of real genius there. Briefly, but there it was. I mean that`s about as unpretentious as you can get.
auh, ok :) I didn't feel it :)
One of my most favorite groups is Death Grips. I grew up on hip-hop and still listen to all sorts of it, but I think this is tops for me (Turn up really loud and prepare for treble attack at about 2:45):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E
They're completely chaotic, nightmarish and drugged out. Nate Hill is also a part of the group- amazing drummer who's involved in many, many, many projects.
This one features Charles Manson in the beginning and be sure to check out the lyrics in the video description: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ&feature=relmfu
More chaos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCgxi-h1PoI
Here's some interesting interviews with members:
http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/features/interview-death-grips.html
http://www.clashmusic.com/feature/death-grips-x-alec-empire
http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/8815-death-grips/
One more favorite of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAURatEXp9k
See some good names being thrown around - when I was 14 I originally got into hiphop after buying Wu-Tang Forever and while it never really blossomed into full-blown love, some records/tracks aside, I kept buying hiphop in moderation over the years and definitely discovered some fine music. Records like The Cold Vein, Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star, Enter the Wu-Tang are still very special to me.
In recent years I have begun delving into what's called 'Nederhop' (essentially 'Netherhop' - i.e. Dutch hiphop), which is of course 'just' hiphop but with Dutch lyrics. I'm not particularly 'into' lyrics in music - I appreciate good writing but am not quickly turned off by something generic or even poor. I don't really focus on the words and for years I was told by genuine hiphop heads that you couldn't really appreciate hiphop without understanding the words. While I understand where they were/are coming from, my approach to listening to hiphop has long been one of listening to it as, simply, music - so, for me, a good beat can save a poor rhyme but it doesn't really work vice versa (while it does for hiphop heads, I've come to understand). Nederhop has given me a deeper understanding of the importance of lyrics in hiphop, simply by virtue of the lyrics being in my native language. I speak English reasonably well, I think (I majored in it and teach it), but English hiphop lyrics have never really been much more to me than pleasant, ok, occasionally clever. I find that I appreciate the playing with language much more in Dutch than wordplay in English-language hiphop. This appreciation of Nederhop has really stirred up my love for hiphop and now hás developed into something 'full-blown'. I understand lyrically there isn't much to gain here for most of the board members, but productionwise Holland also has some of the most wonderful works out there.
Top Nederhop record for me: Opgezwolle - Eigen Wereld. The pun in the band name is brilliant already - the group's from Zwolle (a Dutch city), while 'opgezwollen' means 'swollen'. I'm not sure how it translates - in Dutch it's quite clever. Productions here are from Delic, Holland's best producer - who has unfortunately quit hiphop altogether in 2007 after releasing Sticks & Delic - Fakkelteit. Delic's approach to his productions is one surprisingly compositional - much more than beats he produces songs, as lame as that may sound. What it means, in practice, is varied, imaginative, accomplished hiphop. I guess the sounds really should speak for themselves here, as words really don't seem to describe accurately enough what I mean...
Opgezwolle - Balans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8mwa8ENrI4
Opgezwolle - Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGs6VpUdP8
Cannot recommend this album enough. Please give it a shot.
And just another gnarly Delic production:
Sticks & Delic - Snelle Jongens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Rj10jGP9g (seriously, wait till it hits 1:32 and enjoy the fucking shit out of it)
And even outside of Opgezwolle there's so much great Nederhop. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of poor hiphop too. But hey, just pick and choose - just some examples featuring some of the best producers outside of Delic (Nikes, A.R.T., Kubus):
Zo Moeilijk - De Reunie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGXwSXb-fC0 (produced by Nikes)
Fakkelbrigade - Hitte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuV9QWIOGJo (produced by A.R.T.)
Kubus - Zwolsche Boys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1WRssaYPc8 (produced by Kubus - not too representative btw since his beats are usually very minimal and electronic; recent work (Kubus + Rico - DMT) is almost avant garde)
Some non-Dutch things I can otherwise highly recommend:
Long Arm - The Branches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdcvkNDaWU (Russian triphop/instrumental hiphop, except for this track - great though; can be streamed in full from the label's bandcamp)
Rumi - Hell Me Tight: http://youtu.be/ImfNHtiAc_c (Japanese chick, spooky productions and all, very effective)
Other things I appreciate: old Dizzee Rascal, Flying Lotus, Madvillain, Aesop Rock, Company Flow (essentially any old Rawkus/Def Jux, of course).
Whew.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 09, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
Lyrical genius:
As I step onto the stage
I grab the microphone
Then I hit another poem
And I go the fuck home
- Schoolly D
What more need be said?
This is absolutely fucking fantastic, btw.
If You Don't Like Rap, Are You A Racist? (http://www.slate.com/id/2141421/)QuoteThis was too much for (Jessica) Hopper, who was in the audience and had already written on her blog that she intended to confront (Stephin) Merritt. She ... wrote, falsely, that, "I did not have to ask Stephin Merrit [sic] of Magnetic Flds whether he was racist, because his nice, long elucidating comment about his love, NAY, obsession with racist cartoon, Song of the South, served as a pre-emptive answer. It's one thing to have 'Zippitty Doo Da' be your favorite song. It is another to lay in for Uncle Remus appreciation hour amidst a panel—('I love all of it,' he says)."
Of course Merritt had said no such thing.
Why I Hate Hip-Hop (http://www.popculturecorn.com/music/issues/feb00/article-hatehiphop.html)QuoteHow did a racially-diverse movement of open-minded young people decay into a commercially-driven industry of self-imagined thugs who dis one another for not conforming to constricting standards of what it means to "keep it real"?
EDIT -
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on June 09, 2012, 06:15:34 PMHave you watched the JAY Z tour film Backstage from 2000? It contains everything you just said in your rant. Rockstar hubris and vulgarity turned up to 11. It's quite fascinating to watch.
Thanks for the tip - it is interesting.
Big Lokote - rage
grew up with hip-hop and electronic/industrial music all around me. some hip-hop i can recommend, and some of the only stuff i can stand anymore: flying lotus, first two records of jedi mind tricks, company flow, phi-life cypher.
the first jedi mind tricks record in particular is excellent. full of conspiracy theories, unconventional rapping style and structure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvDbuoQNLjs
phi-life cypher - millennium metaphors is also highly recommend. best british hip hop record that i know of. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJGmo9vydEs
Quote from: Peterson on June 10, 2012, 01:03:22 AM
At the risk of sounding totally uncultured and prejudiced, I find all hip-hop/rap, even really well-composed material, to be pretty one-dimensional and therefore just as shitty as anything else I've rejected as a whole. Not only that, I really dislike most things Negroes are responsible for. Shoot me. I'm an ignorant white male, and at that, a dying breed.
I'd say the only thing you're guilty of is unnecessarily going out of your way to state that you're "an ignorant white male, and at that, a dying breed."
Quote from: Reprobate on June 09, 2012, 08:10:18 PM
One of my most favorite groups is Death Grips. I grew up on hip-hop and still listen to all sorts of it, but I think this is tops for me (Turn up really loud and prepare for treble attack at about 2:45):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orlbo9WkZ2E
They're completely chaotic, nightmarish and drugged out. Nate Hill is also a part of the group- amazing drummer who's involved in many, many, many projects.
This one features Charles Manson in the beginning and be sure to check out the lyrics in the video description: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcTVVUFnKQ&feature=relmfu
More chaos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCgxi-h1PoI
Here's some interesting interviews with members:
http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/features/interview-death-grips.html
http://www.clashmusic.com/feature/death-grips-x-alec-empire
http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/8815-death-grips/
One more favorite of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAURatEXp9k
I picked up their newest 12" special limited on record store day! I have been a fan of these guys for awhile. Completely different and not your normal hip hop at all.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 09, 2012, 05:37:20 PM
Fuck hip-hop. What should have been a worthy addition the the cannon of Black American music has turned into the the most worthless cock-suck of US capitalism.... Hip-hop has evolved like a mutant Dalek into the cancer of modern music, from a lean, keen, killing machine to some kind of "and the winner is" furniture muzak.
Dalek - the hip hop unit, not the mutant cancer - would certainly concur. But they would tell you, in so many words, that the hip hop to which you refer is not hip hop, but pop music. I`ve never quite bought that argument, but I`d like to. And I would if I readily ignored of a wider criticism which suggests that most - all - music is a worthless cock-suck of US capitalism. That other music(s) may seem to rub it all over your face in a less obvious way could merely suggest a more pernicious form of knob slobbery. Following through, one might even call Jay-Z - in all his sick-dick-in-your face-dness - a kind of folk hero in the way Nixon was for Burroughs; one who may ultimately help restore our healthy skepticism in the powers that would have us on our knees 24/7.
But, I doubt it.
Many times when someone recommend "experimental hip hop", trying to show how different it is from the mainstream or "usual" hip hop, I have exactly same feel as I have when people try to show how various underground forms of dub / reggae type of stuff is so noisy, obscure and hard.
I have yet to hear anything what I could say I liked in any level.
If we talk album the most traditional and most well known hip hop out there, pretty much everybody has heard it at some point of their life. Public Enemy, NWA, Ice-T and Ice Cube (until certain point when they sucked big time, etc). They all include the relatively slow flow and no stupid gimmicks in their rap style (until later). Manly lower voice with clear statements. I can't stand those Snoop style faggy whiny voiced rappers a second. Chuck D and the types, who rely most of all to message of black empowerment, I can see why it's musically superior and lyrically relevant to the target audience (and perhaps more).
Couple years ago I bought a cdr demo from black guy selling his stuff in NYC street. First I told him I don't listen to hip hop and then his sale speech was that "do you think I'm some kind of bum. Look at these clothes man!" Out of morbid curiosity I decided to spend 2$ for cdr demo of this guy who wanted to impress me with his expensive clothing. Needless to say the demo sucked big time, in every ways you could measure.
I'm there with Andrew McIntosh about the influence of hip hop. If it's not the music or artists, it's the general audience who is the most braindead white trash out there (judged from Finnish perspective).
Some time last year Dalek released an epic recording that few - bar MC "if I pick up a banjo it`s hip hop" Dalek - would call hip hop. A rambling 43 minute opus on Latitudes pitting a variety of textures against a backdrop of gloomy ambient drone. Panned dronage fades to gloom and a brief spoken word bit, giving way to denser atmospheres, sitars and tablas, and an unintelligible voice that eventually resolves into a pitch-shifted repetition of the spoken word which is cut to a loop of the phrase "to be inhuman". Some twenty minutes in, the tablas are replaced by a more industrial-ish rhythm and the only actual verse Dalek spits, his voice doubled then trebled, totalling all of twenty seconds, before sinking back to deep sea obscurity. Then the rise of a more rocking beat augmented by increasingly fuzzy guitars and more unintelligible voices which fade into cinematic, sitar-tinged, shimmer. The gloom persists, but acquires a more otherwordly bent. Finally, a second bit of spoken word comes in around the forty minute mark, sounding... resigned? hopeful? Both? Slow fade out.
Dalek insist on identifying with the hip hop world, but I would call them musicians first. There`s a great interview where producer Momin is asked who they sampled on their Absence album and he`s like, "Fuck you. You think some fucking shoegaze band could get a sound like that? We fucking learn to play our instruments. That`s not fucking sampling!"
Some of their themes sound like something Con-Dom would cover:
"The role of religion in the domination and destruction of African civilization is so shameful. No matter how you look at it, the picture is negative. Because all of them did more harm than good. All of them made their god ungodly."
Or Boyd Rice:
"The most painful truth in the making of America, a truth that shatters all pretentions of innocence and undercuts all efforts of denial, is that the enslavement of Africans and the imperial expansion over indigenous people in their lands were undeniable preconditions for the possibility of American democracy."
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 10, 2012, 10:38:28 AM
Many times when someone recommend "experimental hip hop", trying to show how different it is from the mainstream or "usual" hip hop, I have exactly same feel as I have when people try to show how various underground forms of dub / reggae type of stuff is so noisy, obscure and hard.
Oh, I completely agree with both of you there. It does seem pretty pointless to insist on exceptions when the rule apparent abounds. BUT. I like to imagine that in forums such as these most of us are looking very precisely
for exceptions. I don`t mean lame attempts at crossover, I just mean shit that often seems to spit in the face of easy categorization. I know I`m preaching to the converted here so this is really a non argument.
I couldn't care less about classic hip hop, good hip hop, experimental hip hop, or even hip hop in general. In fact, I tend to lump all music with a discernable beat under the broad heading "disco". Or I would, if I could be bothered to label anything. So obviously IDM like Cloaks or Autechre fit the bill. But so do all forms of punk, metal, grindcore, jazz, etc. Disco, the lot. Call me closed-minded, but I couldn't care less for the vast majority of that shit. As far as I`m concerned, it`s all worthless cock-suck of American capitalism.
Hip hop is simply an easier target. And largely safe because the laughability is so eminently apparent. The others are, as stated, far more pernicious - and far more worrying for it.
I don't know anything about hip hop music except that i can't stand more than a few seconds of most of it, so i'll delight you with some retarded (literally) italian rap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRiWSmGz5E8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Q6RYZ_7EA&feature=related
i guess this almost became a subgenre, at least in Italy. I'm sorry most of you will not be able to understand the lyrics, but probably it's for the best.
I did see Dalek live once, and they were good.
PUBLIC ENEMY = Radical political slogans, militant racial themes, revising and decoding society and history. Repetitive and fairly hard edged music plus uniforms.
I think it goes without saying that, even on the most shallow of levels, Public Enemy has something to offer any fan of industrial.
Maybe should mention one cross-over of hip hop & noise. Umpio did split 7" with Ronskibiitti. Honestly I have not yet dared to listen that, but I'll do it maybe later today. Umpio could be known to people here, but Finnish language Ronskibiitti. Maybe this track is more "abstract" and weird, where often flow of vocals hardly even relates to broken beats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEM5RJ8jmvQ
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on June 10, 2012, 07:16:38 PM
PUBLIC ENEMY = Radical political slogans, militant racial themes, revising and decoding society and history. Repetitive and fairly hard edged music plus uniforms.
I think it goes without saying that, even on the most shallow of levels, Public Enemy has something to offer any fan of industrial.
Yes, this project is my one of the most favourite from this genre. I like their "It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" and "Fear Of Black Planet" - music from these albums have many psychodelic/experimental moments. Scratching is very unique, massive and complicated. I don't know simillar sound and used techniques, but, as I mentioned, I am not a big fan of these genres, and I haven't listened too much.
I think the first record I ever bought was Run-DMC's first LP, back in 1985 (in grade school at that). I have never been a huge hip-hop/rap fan, at least until the last few years. I keep coming back to that Run-DMC album because of its uniqueness, as it is so sparse...just those 808 beats and rhymes with some scratchin' behind it. The only thing that comes a bit close to that style is the older, electro stuff like Mantronix, etc. As far as other bands go, I really like the first N.W.A. album, the classic Public Enemy stuff, Eric B and Rakim, EPMD, Brand Nubian, and Boogie Down Productions. A track like "Straight Outta Compton" by N.W.A., to me, is so full of anger (lyrically) that it's on par with anything that's come out of punk, metal, industrial, pe, etc. And Public Enemy has always, musically, reminded me of the more chaotic Nurse With Wound stuff, as there seems to be all sorts of things going on in the music at once.
I listen to mostly east coast american battlerap style stuff and a bunch of white backpacker stuff. My favorite is Jedi Mind Tricks, though the last couple albums have been pretty weak. Also a bunch of def jux records related stuff, cannibal ox, aesop rock, 7L&esoteric, (old) cage, anticon, RJD2, megaherz, jacki da motormouth, arsonists, beastie boys, First wu-tang album, Black Moon, Immortal Technique, Canibus, cLoudead is ok, copywrite, dangerdoom (thou always thought mf doom sounded like a poorman's ODB), Das EFX, Deltron3030, Gang Starr, GraveDiggaz (mostly just the first album), Non phixion, ill bill, death grips, Mr. Lif, KGP (one of the only horrorcore rappers that really sounds scary), Geto boys, Louis Logic, Mobb Deep, Public Enemy, Quasimoto, sage francis, sick jacken, The Weathermen. Donno if ghettotech counts but i can rock out to bitch ass darius and dj godfather too.
EPMD gets namechecked by a lot of bands i like but it never clicked for me. Same with Dalek. Should probably give it more time.
Here's a Cage track where he talks about watching his gf die of spinal meningitis:
"Stare in her eyes to look past horror
Morphine tolerated, I'm out coppin' horse tranq for her
Like I won't have to go through hell again
Her skin is like saran wrap, barely hangin' from her skeleton
With each one of her ribs defined
My crib's designed
To keep the light out cause she can't lift the blinds
Drifting behind, I'll be outta friends soon
Nobody visits the guy that keeps the body in his bedroom
She's barely alive and taking life from me
With no appetite but the meningitis is still hungry
Wants to make love
But I had to substitute it with holding hands while we take drugs"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NSirMeeX3g
IMO the best hip-hop was produced in Memphis, Tennessee during the early 90's. Thugs rappin bout satanism and exorcism over very lo-fi beats with perfect drum machine and synth sounds.
TOMMY WRIGHT III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0cSdOlnPU
GANGSTA BOO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Et6sEsvO0
9 TRA FAMILY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axTcXvY1f8o
Definitely big on the memphis shit too. I love all of the early three 6 stuff when Lord Infamous was involved and they did all of the occult stuff. One of my favorite tracks from the Hypnotized Camp Posse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfdetH2hhF8
Love the use of the Art of Noise sample.
Here's another memphis favorite. Creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd3MuK6-W5k
I love the ignorant stuff just as much as the conscious hip-hop. Sometimes it's fun to listen to stupid stuff. I see the unanimous appreciation of Public Enemy, which I definitely share. I don't listen to too much current hip-hop, besides Death Grips and Danny Brown. I have a lot of love for MF Doom (primarily Madvilliany, thanks to Madlib's genius.) Nas' Illmatic is one of my favorites along with Biggie's Ready to Die. Whether it's east coast, west coast or the South, I have a lot of favorites. I haven't seen too many posts about appreciation for producers- who play a GIGANTIC part in hip-hop. To the ones who posted about how they hate rap/hip-hop or think it's ignorant, etc.- I can understand that from a lyrical perspective, but what about the actual music?
My favorites of all time:
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Beastie Boys - License to Ill
NWA - Straight Out of Compton
Eazy E - EZ Duz It
I like hip hop when they actually used a dj with 2 turntables.
hey, first post here. been following this board for a while now. listen to a lot of (past and present) rap/hip hop, but thought the artist Gunplay, from Miami, was worth mentioning in this discussion:
(http://edge-img.datpiff.com/mdcd2d36/Gunplay_Inglorious_Bastard-front-large.jpg)
(http://www.ice-dotcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Gunplay-ICEDOTCOM.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq_3rdnEODs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq_3rdnEODs)
you might guess his aesthetic choices have raised some eyebrows.
Do people go on hip-hop forums and discuss Power Electronics?
They might, if they heard SKM-ETR's "Break Your Face" (via The Rugged Meat Cleaver)
True Thug Electronics?
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 10, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
It does seem pretty pointless to insist on exceptions when the rule apparent abounds. BUT. I like to imagine that in forums such as these most of us are looking very precisely for exceptions.
For instance, I don't read this forum to confirm that Noisembryo is still widely regarded as a benchmark in the field. But I am amused and intrigued when a self identified Merzfister suggests that everyone check out Method Man's
Tical – not because it's got a lot of classic Wu bangers, but because the production is plain grim. Seriously sounds like what you might get if the 80's CMI roster were to put out a rap album. Crank the bass and it's pure dirgeambient loops. No breaks in atmos. Lots of standouts, but in the context of what this song purports to be about I love the production here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR8HGw-h7gE&feature=fvwrel
This was later massively sanitized into a major R&B hit with some chick, but whatever. On the doubled up chorus Meth sounds like he's threatening to punch his bitch in the face – and this is a love song! Hilarious. And appropriate.
And the ambiguity of the lyrics, re-
I'm realizing you didn't have to fuck with me
But you did
And now I'm going all out kid
And I got mad love to give
...you can almost see him winding up for the one-two face-pummeling.
OK, not everyone may read ambiguity into this song the way I do. But that's a big part of why I read these forums.
EDIT put it another way. I don't read this forum to be updated on the latest in experimental rap, or metal, or Muslimgauze, or Motion Picture soundtracks, per se. I'm interested in reading the slightly unhinged take on these forays into soundmaking that you might get from a power electronics industrial noise experimental avantgarde ambient fan. By way of example, the most entertaining (readable) entry into this thread by far is Andrew McIntosh's grumpy rant. I may not necessarily get that in a hip hip forum.
PE shows need more headspinning b-boys.
I listen to a lot of hip hop, especially European/East European/South american.
I like when vocals are not necessarily fast, beats are slow and very musical.
There are several similarities to certai industrial music and I cannot help enjoying some macho imagery when credible.
I wil post more from home, especially Italian so-called death-hip hop scene, with whom I have been close for a while dure to collaborations with Lou Chano (Trips und traume) and the guys at Quadraro basement.
My faves of the last years:
Joe Rilla (Germany)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioAXt0lxDVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0KaJdO2JRE
Kali
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAEj21nF_Xk
Jedi Mind tricks (possibly with wu tang clan my faves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxksDd8eD3o&feature=related
Control machete (mex)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt1IF9QOIZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXfwqEIjhIA&feature=related
Noyz Narcos (Italy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyFc8ntL8Yk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0VfX-ZBDU0
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
Do people go on hip-hop forums and discuss Power Electronics?
Is anybody here who forces you to read this topic?
Does anyone recall Crass's version of "Do They Owe Us A Living?" on the first Bullshit Detector comp.? The one just with drums and vocals. Couldn't find it on Youtube to post here, but it occurred to me that maybe Crass inadvertently invented hip-hop.
they arrived about 6/7 years later eheh
also youth brigade and several other old school classic punk project inserted rap like rhymes... this long before crossover/rap metal etc.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
Do people go on hip-hop forums and discuss Power Electronics?
I probably will give it a try at some point one day when I'm bored enough at work. :)
Rinse FM have/had a thing where they would play demos straight off soundcloud live with no previews, I was really tempted to upload some harsh noise with a grime/dubstep-sounding title but never did.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2012, 03:59:43 PM
maybe Crass inadvertently invented hip-hop.
Ha, I was immediately put in mind of the Steve Ignorant contribution to Current 93`s
Killy Killy Killy (A Fire Sermon)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2CFegzCvf0
He comes in at 5:45. Not the best Ignorant cameo, frankly almost ruins an otherwise great piece of soundwork, but could almost pass for Run DMC! "They are the
bleeders!" always brings a smile to my face. In a good way. Though I much prefer his somewhat angrier delivery on
Falling Back In Field Of Rapehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0S187ICeG8
...but as that is less "rap" like I guess I`m off topic.
Which reminds me. The extended ambient remix of KKK,
The Dreammoves Of The Sleeping King, even features what almost passes for record scratching around the point at which Ignorant comes in, possibly Stapleton taking the piss upon precisely the observation observed above...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nchKU1qWAD8
Posted a short review of the new documentary Something From Nothing: The Art of Rap in the documentaries thread...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=paRSC3q1PcI&NR=1
Pusha T is the jam.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 11, 2012, 04:43:59 AM
heck out Method Man's Tical – not because it's got a lot of classic Wu bangers, but because the production is plain grim. Seriously sounds like what you might get if the 80's CMI roster were to put out a rap album.
agreed. all of the early wu-related stuff has that grim, dark production.. the tracks that rza produced, that is.
i listen to a lot of hip hop. the standard classics; public enemy, run dmc, a tribe called quest, (old) dr. dre, (old) snoop, (old) ice cube, beastie boys, krs-one, wu-tang/method man/ODB/gravediggaz (gravediggaz being my favorite of all the wu-related projects) etc....
Smash The Mac is real hip-hop. No... it's bigger than that.
HongKongGoolagong - It's funny that you like The Chronic but avoided Snoop Doggy Dogg, as his first album is almost exactly the same as The Chronic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcjL3BKbEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcjL3BKbEY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5bkNnD9dQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5bkNnD9dQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaVWe42Kqw0&feature=related
Heh.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 22, 2012, 02:06:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcjL3BKbEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZcjL3BKbEY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5bkNnD9dQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5bkNnD9dQ)
FROM RAGS TO BITCHES!
I love those Thugnificent episodes.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 19, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
Posted a short review of the new documentary Something From Nothing: The Art of Rap in the documentaries thread...
Reading that short review reminded me that a lot of what I like in terms of "technique, style, voice projection/timbre" comes out of reggae/dancehall/dub/etc. Some of these dudes sound like they are perpetually ready to crap themselves... a whole genre of full of ODB.
Chuck that in with an edgy little mix and you might get- Razor X Productions, the short-lived Rootsman / The Bug project (with various vocalists ready to crap themselves).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1Du7gQgk8&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_W2HZKibfw&feature=related
Couldn't find personal faves, "Child Molester" (with Mexican ready to crap himself) and "Slew Dem" (with Wayne Lonesome ready to crap himself), but Razor X should appeal to those who like Death Grips at their more unhinged...
Classic:
Capleton - Final Assassin (Street Cleaner Riddim, coupled with the lyrics, are an obvious influence on The Bug's "Skeng")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX3BuBbkUz0
King Midas Sound
Sandwiched between Gnaw and Godflesh at Supersonic, KMS take advantage of the bowel-movement inducing sound system, builds nicely into near-racket proper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aezIAnNc3vw
...and in Spain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9ohN8XZiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dep6HV7Uny0&feature=related
Not so much crapping oneself as enjoying the slow throb:
Kode9 & Spaceape
– Ghost Town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFtzrcznjs
- Backward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZd0Dd1NNz4
- Correction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbfbQ_TTjBw&feature=related
Dalek – Atypical Stereotype
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o98M_LjHuZE&feature=plcp
I guess I really only listen to mainly white Rappers now that I think of it. Jedi Mind Tricks, Army of Pharaohs, Outerspace, and the first LP from Celph Titled. I've never really been a big fan of any hip-hop or rap, my sister listened to it all the time when I was younger and it drove me crazy, and then my first room mate when I was 18 listened to it non-stop as well so the whole thing pretty much wore out its welcome in my ears.
Here is a pretty good mix of Hip Hop I made that is in 2 sets:
Set: 01 http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2012/2/27/episode-046-set01.html (http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2012/2/27/episode-046-set01.html)
Set: 02 http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2012/2/27/episode-046-set02.html (http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2012/2/27/episode-046-set02.html)
Here is another set I made of mostly gansta related hip hop, true bangers!
http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2011/6/6/episode-008.html (http://www.todbroadcasting.com/a-radio-with-guts/2011/6/6/episode-008.html)
I'm sure living in Dewey makes you hate country even more.
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
I'm all for a country thread. And since there was a thread about black metal, I don't see no problem with rap.
I don't like the NYC sound at all. Scratching and jazz funk samples don't do nothing for me. I like cheap keyboards and recorded on tape raps. Stories about gang banging, prison and petty crime. Home invasions, street robberies, rape, anti-social violence, teenage prostitution, territoriality, shootings, that's the stuff I want to hear about. Street and prison related black and chicano power without the socially conscious stuff.
Memphis is basically where I consider the best rap came in the nineties. Satanic imagery and lowlife stories. Very lo-fi production, recorded and shared on tapes. Cheesy horror movie soundtrack samples and crappy drum machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bWDAicn4A
196 Clique - Crucifix
http://youtu.be/Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask
http://youtu.be/KwtjyP9Auiw
Nigga Creep, Mc Money and Gangsta Gold - I Just Need Yo Cheeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEONoyjxeVA
DJ Sound - Fuck Being Nice
Also, the greatest Sacramento outsider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hpZn9kXyBM
First Degree The DE "Man In Da Place"
And with the recent cannibal zombie hype, I want to remind you of Big Lurch and his PCP rampage on eating titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikrYNFZblQ
Quote from: NEHPF on June 23, 2012, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
I'm all for a country thread. And since there was a thread about black metal, I don't see no problem with rap.
I don't like the NYC sound at all. Scratching and jazz funk samples don't do nothing for me. I like cheap keyboards and recorded on tape raps. Stories about gang banging, prison and petty crime. Home invasions, street robberies, rape, anti-social violence, teenage prostitution, territoriality, shootings, that's the stuff I want to hear about. Street and prison related black and chicano power without the socially conscious stuff.
Memphis is basically where I consider the best rap came in the nineties. Satanic imagery and lowlife stories. Very lo-fi production, recorded and shared on tapes. Cheesy horror movie soundtrack samples and crappy drum machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bWDAicn4A
196 Clique - Crucifix
http://youtu.be/Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask
http://youtu.be/KwtjyP9Auiw
Nigga Creep, Mc Money and Gangsta Gold - I Just Need Yo Cheeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEONoyjxeVA
DJ Sound - Fuck Being Nice
Also, the greatest Sacramento outsider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hpZn9kXyBM
First Degree The DE "Man In Da Place"
And with the recent cannibal zombie hype, I want to remind you of Big Lurch and his PCP rampage on eating titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikrYNFZblQ
Yeah, Memphis has some good stuff, I am from Tennessee and in the years of three 6 all that stuff exploded in the era of fast rap like "Bone" at the time...but as I was saying Three 6 really led the way to the horror aspect or satanic themed hip hop that is still awesome today.
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
Almost like Power Electronics, except:
"just got home...murdered my wife....I fucked the dog"
:::::insert William Bennett shrill scream:::
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on June 23, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
Almost like Power Electronics, except:
"just got home...murdered my wife....I fucked the dog"
:::::insert William Bennett shrill scream:::
I thought those were chicken-fucker screams, not dog-fucker? re-
AvisodomyHow bout a healthy middle, harsh redneck electronics:
"just got home...murdered my wife....I fucked the chicken
:::::insert William Bennett shrill hee-fuck'n-haw:::
"got compleley wasted...so off my face I blew chunks"
EDIT Chunks is my dog...
off-topic:
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 22, 2012, 08:49:37 PMRazor X Productions
razor x is great! i haven't really kept up with anything kevin martin's done since london zoo, not due to lack of interest though, just, i dunno, time and financial constraints i suppose. also, my interests have probably "narrowed" (or "refined" ... ha!) in the past few years, pretty much solely listen to/buy noise, avant/experimental, metal and punk these days. anyway, got to see the bug a bunch of times in the early to mid-2000's and his sets were always really intense (and LOUD!). one time he was playing a mini-fest headlined by shellac, who most of crowd were there to see. i went to the bar just before he started and by the time i was returning to the concert area there was streams of people fleeing with their hands clasped around their ears, all the while he was looking towards the sound man gesturing to give him more volume. i think that was the second loudest show after hijokaidan (glasgow 2005) that i've ever seen. razor x is the only recorded material i've heard that's somewhat similar to those live shows. still falls a bit short but it's pretty much impossible to capture that type of sound on record i'd imagine. all the other bug, techno animal, god, etc stuff i've heard is a lot "mellower" (for want of a better term ... don't mean that in a bad way either).
on-topic:
i used to listen to loads of hip-hop but haven't really listened to anything new in about 5, 6 years i'd say. still listen to a lot of the classics and go to hip hop shows regularly though. some favourites ...
wu tang & various solo, particularly
gza - liquid swords (pretty much perfect record in my opinion) and various
ghostface ... incidentally, saw wu tang last year deliver one of the best live shows i've ever seen, method man in particular
nas - illmatic ... pity about everything that came after but if you hit this kinda high then i can forgive any manner of crap that comes after
cannibal ox - cold vein ... again, still pretty much perfect
ultramagnetic mc's/kool keith ... probably my favourite mc
mf doom ... he was untouchable for a few years there after his reemergence ... viktor vaughn, king geedorah, madvillain, special herbs & mm food ... haven't heard anything he's done since the dangerdoom album though, except for seeing him do an equal parts great/ropey live show last year
clipse - lord willin' & hell hath no furyj dilla - the shining & donutssnoop - doggystyle ... see nas above
dr dre - the chronic ... pretty much regard this as a snoop album though
notorious b.i.g. - ready to dienwa - straight outta comptonpublic enemy - bum rush the show, nation of millions, fear of a black planet, enemy strikes blackslick rick - great adventures of ...ugk - ridin' dirty, underground kingzslim thug - already platinumdj screw - lots!
loads more ...
gang starr, a tribe called quest, eric b & rakim, etc
based on the above, anyone got any recommendations for more recent hip-hop? death grips didn't really grab me but i've only listened to exmilitary. it wasn't bad or anything, just didn't do a whole lot for me. i missed the boat on the whole odd future thing. i like the fact that it's a bunch of irreverant kids not giving a fuck but it didn't do a thing for me musically (probably my problem though, not theirs). except for that hodgy beats ep from earlier in the year actually, that was pretty great. oh yeah, dalek, i have filthy tongue, the faust collab and absence and seen him/them a bunch of times. i liked the records and live shows but don't tend to return to the records a whole lot. last one sounds interesting though going on the description a few pages back
Quote from: theotherjohn on June 09, 2012, 09:37:06 PMIt's always fun to read on old records the liner notes with huge lists of which respected artists, radio stations, labels and producers were around at the time.
absolutely! always funny to see will smith listed there too (as fresh prince)
I'm not a big hip hop fan, but the genre has its highlights no doubt. One of the cultural elements that I can dig is the broad-legged attitude as one can experience in P.E. On the other hand the main thing which is pure disgust is all the lard ass be-real talk. Ok, you føkking lap-top sluts... ...I'd like to dedicate it to the noise & intoxication thread. Seems soooothing
Z-Ro Ft. Lil' O - Can't Leave Drank Alone [Swindall'd & Chopped].
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NWY0mRzcSEs/0.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWY0mRzcSEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWY0mRzcSEs)
SPM - Dope House Mind [Swindall'd & Chopped]
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bX_MaOGq2ss/0.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX_MaOGq2ss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX_MaOGq2ss)
Fun note: SPM is currently serving time due a relationship w a minor. How minor I don't know, diapers? For a time there was a ridiculous FREE-SPM campaign. Presented as seemingly he was a political prisoner of sorts. HA!
- BIATCH ! -
Ice-T - Power is all I probably ever need. Almost a flawless album. Lots of other albums from that period I respect, but I don't really care to play them.
I don't know if these guys have been posted before, but I couldn't find them with the search function. It's worth posting anyway..
Rubberoom - Lockjaw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzW5ylTkoc
Rap with a big R, as a friend put it. Primitive beats and continuous hard rapping, no bullshit, except one short track at the end. Good shit!
The UK scene have in general been more raw and hardcore than for instance the US.
Here is some earlly '90s hardcore from - GUNSHOT - quite noisy and brutal in beats. This is
CRIME STORY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds&feature=related)
I was a huge fan of the trifixion scene in the beginning. Ex grindcorers turned to hip hop with quite radical lyrics.
NECRO - I NEED DRUGS
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ppl1_necro-i-need-drugs_creation
NECRO - ILL BILL - WHITE SLAVERY
http://indavideo.hu/video/Necro__ILL_BiLL_-_White_Slavery_2
"I kidnap women from Ukraine, they don't understand English, but they understand pain"
and my fave
NECRO - THE MOST SADISTIC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fib1QHpFF4w
LA COKA NOSTRA - THIS IS COKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgAYAHovklk
ILL BILL - Society Is Brainwashed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjNmGsQ16Vg
ILL BILL - WHITE NIGGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_H-tK1-kcw&feature=related
Mr. Hyde ft. Q-Unique & ILL Bill - Kill Collage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQf3ud6zHw&feature=related
Jedi Mind Tricks - Heavy Metal Kings ft. Ill Bill UNCENSORED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJRynBvKG24&feature=related
New instrumental hip hop track from Dubrain Hertz.
LET THE CHOW YUN-FAT BEGIN
http://vimeo.com/45078720
Just found on Label 56 website
http://www.label56.com/2011/08/dee-ex-female-german-patriotic-rap/
Quote from: online prowler on July 05, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
The UK scene have in general been more raw and hardcore than for instance the US.
Here is some earlly '90s hardcore from - GUNSHOT - quite noisy and brutal in beats. This is
CRIME STORY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds&feature=related)
fuck yea. more of this.
Quote from: NEHPF on June 23, 2012, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
I'm all for a country thread. And since there was a thread about black metal, I don't see no problem with rap.
I don't like the NYC sound at all. Scratching and jazz funk samples don't do nothing for me. I like cheap keyboards and recorded on tape raps. Stories about gang banging, prison and petty crime. Home invasions, street robberies, rape, anti-social violence, teenage prostitution, territoriality, shootings, that's the stuff I want to hear about. Street and prison related black and chicano power without the socially conscious stuff.
Memphis is basically where I consider the best rap came in the nineties. Satanic imagery and lowlife stories. Very lo-fi production, recorded and shared on tapes. Cheesy horror movie soundtrack samples and crappy drum machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bWDAicn4A
196 Clique - Crucifix
http://youtu.be/Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask
http://youtu.be/KwtjyP9Auiw
Nigga Creep, Mc Money and Gangsta Gold - I Just Need Yo Cheeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEONoyjxeVA
DJ Sound - Fuck Being Nice
Also, the greatest Sacramento outsider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hpZn9kXyBM
First Degree The DE "Man In Da Place"
And with the recent cannibal zombie hype, I want to remind you of Big Lurch and his PCP rampage on eating titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikrYNFZblQ
this guy has the right idea.
I'm referring to NEHPF of course. and there is good country and folk if you can find it.
is there any old school Detroit late 80s/early 90s lo-fi cassette shit I should be aware of? the grimier and more fucked up the better.
ok niggaz!! as axpa mentioned we put out a split 7" in late 2010 with ronskibiitti dudes. anyone givin a shit should pick it up, i have less than 10 left, with a bonus CDR
mp3 klip: http://www.umpio.com/mp3/umpioronskimainos1.mp3
ronskibiitti guys come from a punk background and had the *nerve* to *evolve* and they got tons of backstabbin bullshit from all directions. crossover this, whoring that.... by the time we did this 7" their sound was goin deeper into skweee territory, which is, as far as i know, intentionally retarded and hard funk influenced. i know absolutely zero bout that stuff. point being: they explore and expose, which is cooler than what most do. i certainly hope they dont start doin lame "musical" beats like so many.
i did a run of 60 tapes called dub electronix, in which i compiled the more rhythmic klonks i had recorded... personally i think it turned out cool and i should do another edition one day.. soon i'll have enough for vol.2. its fukin insane when the dub hits ya!! try it!!
laineen kasperi at his best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnqfq5vY5hI
but, as much as i respect his craft, he also has done lamer sounding stuff after these times. his tongue is sharp, but his beats got pretty generic. for creepy/inventive/wtf i recommend those KAUCAS and KUMMITUSORKESTERI albums
but generally, as a phenomenon, hip hoppers blew it. they could have made it into a razor, instead they turned it to vaseline. dälek + public enemy kept their sound inspiringly dissonant and heavy.
and why the fuck they have to make it "musical" when theres tools to make it hard and obscure haha!!
also i once managed to pick up an amazing EP from russian rapper COMRADE. i know zero about this project except for this record. lo-fi and HARD hitting. even my russian friends whom i played it to agreed: exceptionally good. in case anyone cares: heres an old pack of vinyl rips from my shelves, included are 7"s by Comrade + early Stilluppsteypa, enjoy!! (http://www.mediafire.com/?995fpp0tcpubdf2)
damn, a huge spider just walked on my arm and is now staring at me from this keyboard!! (ö)
and fuk yea thanks for this GUNSHOT thing!!
http://www.freemuse.org/sw48402.asp (http://www.freemuse.org/sw48402.asp)
QuoteA court in the city of Osh, where violent ethnic clashes claimed hundreds of lives in 2010, has banned an Uzbek-language rap song for promoting separatism and inciting hatred between Kyrgyz and Uzbek people.
Two years after the ethnic clashes between Uzbek and Kyrgyz residents in the city of Osh in Kyrgyzstan, which saw around 420 people killed and over 2,000 injured, several Uzbek artists have been expressing their anger against the Kyrgyz community through their charged lyrics.
The Uzbek-language song 'Osh City Uzbek Mahala' ('Osh is an Uzbek Quarter') became increasingly popular in the city. The song was transmitted among locals mainly via mobile phones, allegedly insulting the Kyrgyz community.
"According to experts from Osh State University, the content of the song incites mutual hatred and animosity between people of Kyrgyz and Uzbek nationalities," the Prosecutor General's Office said in a statement on 2 August 2012: "Ideas and views expressed in the song propagate intolerance of one nationality by the other and contain elements of separatism," the statement said.
The court banned all dissemination of the song, including by internet.
Osh city police have said that they have identified the song's author. He is an ethnic Uzbek, originally from Kyrgyzstan and now a Russian citizen. He has not been named.
Singer exiled
Since June, there have been an increasing number of accusations of so-called 'hate speech' in the southern parts of Kyrgyzstan.
The latest rap song has a precedent. In 2010, Akram, an underground rapper from Tashkent, released an anti-Kyrgyz song on YouTube. Set against a backdrop of photos depicting the violence in Osh, sample lyrics include: "The whole world sees who you are...the whole world hates you."
Uzbek singer Yulduz Usmanova became popular and was embroiled in controversies after her song 'To the Kyrgyz' was criticised for alleged ethnicity-based lyrics. She was later sent to exile in Turkey after a fallout with the regime of Uzbek president Islam Karimov. Usmanova said afterwards that the song was from the bottom of her heart, but was released by mistake.
Allegedly in response to the provocative messages in Uzbek rap songs similar songs have been released by Kyrgyz artists, including Aaly Tutkuchev. Aaly Tutkuchev had also been responding by song to Usmanova, telling her that she was provoking hatred among ordinary people and perhaps that's why she was forced from her homeland. Tutkuchev's song was titled: 'Don't Spit into the Well That You Drink Water From'.
maybe I mentioned him before, but SpaceGhostPurrp is different but good. reminds me of old Three 6 Mafia, which I love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5DcuxpHYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw5DcuxpHYw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQYTY95NBbk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQYTY95NBbk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61D9bTjbtw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61D9bTjbtw)
Maybe Russian rap is what one should keep an eye on..? I found Babangida pretty good... dark brooding stuff from Svetlogorsk, Belarus, wich apparently was the HIV/heroin capitol of eastern Europe in the 90's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM9emE3iy_I
This song is called Swastika but apparently he is actually a stalinist.
New Death Grips. Released online for free, against the wishes of their label (Columbia/Epic)
Makes me think of Chopped and Screwed Bird Seed/Cruise-Era Whitehouse meets Tical-Era Method Man meets... fuck it. It's awesome.
So's the album cover.
No Love, Deep Web.
http://depositfiles.com/files/dc4iyh96h
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9083681522527526242 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9083681522527526242)
Talking about Russian/Belorussian rap > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBxESnZRnX4
Rem Digga and Chemodan Klan. It is kindda strange gloomy rap with psychedelic touch, but the best things are texts, of course it will be a problem for most forum readers, but anyway it is worth listening.
p.s. the worst thing that the most horrible songs are uploaded to youtube.
Quote from: NEHPF on June 23, 2012, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
I'm all for a country thread. And since there was a thread about black metal, I don't see no problem with rap.
I don't like the NYC sound at all. Scratching and jazz funk samples don't do nothing for me. I like cheap keyboards and recorded on tape raps. Stories about gang banging, prison and petty crime. Home invasions, street robberies, rape, anti-social violence, teenage prostitution, territoriality, shootings, that's the stuff I want to hear about. Street and prison related black and chicano power without the socially conscious stuff.
Memphis is basically where I consider the best rap came in the nineties. Satanic imagery and lowlife stories. Very lo-fi production, recorded and shared on tapes. Cheesy horror movie soundtrack samples and crappy drum machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bWDAicn4A
196 Clique - Crucifix
http://youtu.be/Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask
http://youtu.be/KwtjyP9Auiw
Nigga Creep, Mc Money and Gangsta Gold - I Just Need Yo Cheeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEONoyjxeVA
DJ Sound - Fuck Being Nice
Also, the greatest Sacramento outsider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hpZn9kXyBM
First Degree The DE "Man In Da Place"
And with the recent cannibal zombie hype, I want to remind you of Big Lurch and his PCP rampage on eating titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikrYNFZblQ
Any link for that DJ Sound tape? Amazing track.
Quote from: Reprobate on October 07, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: NEHPF on June 23, 2012, 03:55:08 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on June 23, 2012, 01:45:13 AM
just waiting for the Country Music thread....
"just got home... my wife left me... i kicked the dog..."
hee-fuck'n-haw! :-)
I'm all for a country thread. And since there was a thread about black metal, I don't see no problem with rap.
I don't like the NYC sound at all. Scratching and jazz funk samples don't do nothing for me. I like cheap keyboards and recorded on tape raps. Stories about gang banging, prison and petty crime. Home invasions, street robberies, rape, anti-social violence, teenage prostitution, territoriality, shootings, that's the stuff I want to hear about. Street and prison related black and chicano power without the socially conscious stuff.
Memphis is basically where I consider the best rap came in the nineties. Satanic imagery and lowlife stories. Very lo-fi production, recorded and shared on tapes. Cheesy horror movie soundtrack samples and crappy drum machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bWDAicn4A
196 Clique - Crucifix
http://youtu.be/Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask
http://youtu.be/KwtjyP9Auiw
Nigga Creep, Mc Money and Gangsta Gold - I Just Need Yo Cheeze
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEONoyjxeVA
DJ Sound - Fuck Being Nice
Also, the greatest Sacramento outsider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hpZn9kXyBM
First Degree The DE "Man In Da Place"
And with the recent cannibal zombie hype, I want to remind you of Big Lurch and his PCP rampage on eating titties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikrYNFZblQ
Any link for that DJ Sound tape? Amazing track.
I don't know if any of the better blogs sharing rap are alive, probably not. Atleast I couldn't find anything through google. Soulseek is where it at, as they say.
Ah, I'll give a look there.
But you'd probably appreciate this blog:
http://memphisraptapes.blogspot.com/
A friend borrowed me Paul's Boutique from the Beastie Boys and....mind blown. I can't fucking stand License to Ill with the whole over-the-top pseudo-fratboy attitude and "Fight For Your Right To Party", so I pretty much just ignored Paul's Boutique. It's amazing. So many samples used, some are instantly recognizable (Beatles, Pink Floyd) but it all works together brilliantly. A lot of work went into this.
I got introduced to THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAhR6c1Agbw) by some of my military friends. I don't like it but it's very entertaining in comedy sense.
Quote from: RG on October 19, 2012, 05:19:59 AM
A friend borrowed me Paul's Boutique from the Beastie Boys and....mind blown. I can't fucking stand License to Ill with the whole over-the-top pseudo-fratboy attitude and "Fight For Your Right To Party", so I pretty much just ignored Paul's Boutique. It's amazing. So many samples used, some are instantly recognizable (Beatles, Pink Floyd) but it all works together brilliantly. A lot of work went into this.
far and away the best album they ever did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk)
You just cant beat the original, the best, the ODB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcwf6vu_d0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcwf6vu_d0)
(http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/odb.jpg)
I'm not too good at litening to RAP, but these two Lithuanian bands from a decade+ ago are good.
UZI - Stukacius (snitch) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TMmD5n9ahw)
UZI - Tik Tak (vampires etc.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBBFCsLHmg)
UZI - Padaryk ka turi padaryt (do what you have to do)(child who watches as his father kills his mother becomes cannibal) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJ3DmiL898)
And more of the criminal romance
Pompa - Bosui (mafia stuff) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSjfbEfj10)
Pompa - As sugrizau(about the returning from prison) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci-tXa0Fk6g)
Pompa - Mes nebe vaikai (antichristian lyrics. about killing them etc.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knkNHbCbW7M)
Old UK classic
- Gunshot's Crime Story -
1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-AEl8rFeds)
Action Bronson.
So fucking good. Really enjoy the fact that's he's a well versed chef and uses food frequently in his lyrics.
Neat find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khho2u96DE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
my latest family friendly find, Lil Ugly Mane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ713cKuT18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ713cKuT18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9tZyCFBAsI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9tZyCFBAsI)
Yeezus?
Just saw Notkea Rotta 3-pack live yesterday, features Notkea Rotta, DJ and guitarist of finnish punk band Lama, Rane Raitsikka. Very good and entertaining rap indeed, should get Rotta's albums too.
Mostly I prefer finnish rap and some gangsta/memphis stuff from USA.
Arabic rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_RMuFUkn48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_RMuFUkn48)
terrible language....
I have yet to find its redeeming qualities, but I am open to learning. My son is a rapper and is trying to help but I'm nowhere near there at this point.
Been enjoying this Finnish rap group a bit lately,
Ruger Hauer - Jenkem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_NJF8B5TU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_NJF8B5TU)
Of course, them being Finnish, there are bound to be asses and gasmasks, hehe..
Simoncino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYfcmrCDto
best finland has to offer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI18uqjlB9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5i39Rwca8
did anyone listen to the new death grips (government plates)?
i thought it was cool
Yeah, I liked it. I like all their stuff despite all the hype and backlash and publicity stunts.
Some of you might be interested to know they've released stems of three of their albums. I think there have already been a few noise remixes. :)
http://pitchfork.com/news/53763-death-grips-release-no-love-deep-web-and-government-plates-stems-for-free/
+ Ex Millitary: http://www.archive.org/download/DeathGripsExMilitaryStemsInstrumentalsAcapellas/DeathGrips-BlackGoogleexMilitaryInstrumentalsAcapellas.zip
hope they do the same for The Money Store, most of the stuff i'd like to sample is on that one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uYhzdKHmQ - one of most sick freestyle ever ( Scoob, B.I.G., Tupac, Shyheim, Big Daddy Kane in Brooklyn )
Call O' Da Wild , Rakim , Fu-Schnickens , Grim , Onyx , Fu-Schnickens...
listening a lot to:
THIRD SIGHT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7fXeI1iDUY
FOUL MOUTH CRINGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcR8d8nqmmg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzXX8JQOtc8
Kristijan Golubovic - Balkan sad reketira
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 12, 2014, 11:20:32 AM
Simoncino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYfcmrCDto
The Evil Dwarf :D ... i think it's really angry
Also I forgot to write
This group is from my hood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eijAs_KLipw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yS0onq2Au0 - this track was made in primary school ( 7 or 8 grade )
Quote from: Salamanauhat on February 12, 2014, 09:48:52 AM
Been enjoying this Finnish rap group a bit lately,
Ruger Hauer - Jenkem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_NJF8B5TU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_NJF8B5TU)
Of course, them being Finnish, there are bound to be asses and gasmasks, hehe..
Ruger Hauer's album Ukraina is probably the best hip hop album for my taste. There is some post-apocalyptic feel in the whole album and the music/beats/words are a bit more challenging than most hip hop out there.
Usually I tend to think that hip hop is a laugh and a parody of itself... just like metal.
Some years ago I bought a cd "Genital warfare" by Suicidal Rap Orgy. Album was released by dualPLOVER, label which some noisiacs might recognise. Song titles like "Bullets Up Ya Cunt", "Kitty Fucker" & "Anal Sucking Fun" give you the idea what it is all about. Did listen to it two times... I think. Musicwise not so good. Like semen-soaked hip hop version of Gwar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=778jfO5MXog#t=261
NS Rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OPA6dUKxI
So Death Grips are dead now. Conflicted feelings about this...they were an exciting project so it sucks. However, it makes sense to kill it now because it would just be weird for a band like this to exist for many years. They don't seem like the kind of guys who will resurrect a dead project, either. So, by ending it now when they're probably at their peak of popularity, they are cementing their legacy. Don't be surprised years down the road when you start seeing lots of musicians citing Death Grips as a big influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe6hHnHUQVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYrGKn14jI
As far as the criteria laid out in the OP, Death Grips fit the bill. This band should be at the top of the list for anyone who listens to noise/pe/metal and wants to listen to some hiphop/rap that isn't the stereotypical pop crap. Dark, drugged-out gutter punk attitude and harsh, glitched out sounds. MC Ride's lyrics and delivery create an intense, paranoid, and fucked-up atmopshere. Plus, the dude has the Necronomicon sigil of the gateway tattooed on his chest and a pentagram on his back. Not many rappers with that kind of ink, haha
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Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on July 07, 2014, 05:39:39 AM
Really hope they are going to make yet another vinyl pressing of "No Love Deep Web". News suck!
Not long ago I read something about Warp Records signing them to a deal that covers all past and future releases. Who knows if that's still happening but I did read in the break-up announcement that their double album
The Powers that B is still coming out later this year. They just released part of it as an EP a few weeks ago, every track uses vocal samples from Bjork.
Vinyl reissues would be welcomed because
The Money Store is the only one that can be had for a normal price right now. Get it while you can I guess, who knows if it'll be repressed once sold out.
IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES GUILLOTIIIIIIIIINE
I think the vocal samples kinda ruined the previous album. There were only few good tracks on it. Just ordered "The Money Store". Now looking for "NLDW" with no results (in deep web). In case someone knows where to get that record, please let me know.
Glad i didn't already buy tickets for that NIN/Soundgarden tour Death Grips were supposed to be opening for.
Opening for NIN/Soundgarden would just be weird...didn't fit the feel of this band at all. Maybe this was how they planned it out, get big enough to attract worldwide attention and then kill it off to leave people forever wanting more. Left Reznor looking like a fool when he had to apologize (on twitter) for Death Grips pulling out.
Quote from: RG on July 07, 2014, 08:36:22 PM
Opening for NIN/Soundgarden would just be weird...didn't fit the feel of this band at all. Maybe this was how they planned it out, get big enough to attract worldwide attention and then kill it off to leave people forever wanting more. Left Reznor looking like a fool when he had to apologize (on twitter) for Death Grips pulling out.
i think it just makes Death Grips look even more like assholes. it's fucking rockstar ego without any accomplishment to back it up. fuck. that. shit
Surprised to see no mention of Clipping. Sometimes the lyrics are really bad and wouldn't be out of place in any awful chart hip-hop (other times they're pretty good, so perhaps this is some deliberate ironic juxtaposition), but the sounds used are very interesting. Sometimes very harsh electronic noise, plenty of musique concrete techniques in every track, which are done very, very well. The MC is very proficient too, often rapping in time to seemingly very arrhythmic and unmusical sounds. They haven't quite lived up to their potential yet but I feel they certainly could produce something truly great at some stage. One of their tracks even samples Deathpile, they're clearly very well versed in all the genres they're influenced by.
QuoteVinyl pressing of "No Love Deep Web"
...is available again at Amazon. Grabbed it!
Are the guys from Clipping doing any pure noise projects? Obviously they know their ropes.
Live show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nibVU1RjAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nibVU1RjAM)
I'd usually think "noise rap" to mean something with a bit of digital distortion, but here we have actual noise happening...
Seems one member operated as Rale and more recently, Anthracite, with releases on Monorail Trespassing, Heavy Psych and Joy De Vivre among others.
Freddie Gibbs "Pinata" is currently what I'm spinning. Heavy street tales weaved around beautiful soul samples.
I also, really, really enjoy Sean Price "Mic Tyson". Toughest hip hop album I've ever heard with lyrics that I'm still trying to figure out. His use of slang and play on words is excellent.
That Clipping. vocalist really lets down the team.
If they can't get a better spitter they might want to go the Walter Gross route, namely sampling vocals into his industrial beatscapes. Dear Dirt McGirt is probably the heaviest thing I've heard associated with hip hop, more like a death industrial type thing featuring an amalgamation of Wolf Eyes and the late gent in the project title. I confess I'm completely unfamiliar with Wolf Eyes and it may be weird to ask here (or not), but if they have anything along these lines I'd love to hear it. Any recommendations?
https://waltergross.bandcamp.com/track/im-rollin-wit-u
https://waltergross.bandcamp.com/track/ripper
https://waltergross.bandcamp.com/track/rollin-choppd
Here's a better sense of what Clipping. might do if they ditched the rapper, definitely what gangsta rap would sound like in a perfect world:
https://waltergross.bandcamp.com/track/three-kings-wg-slim-thuggin
Walter Gross project with K-The-I??? called Youth:Kill is also pretty good, about as unwieldly as one might hope of this rap shit.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 11, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
That Clipping. vocalist really lets down the team.
Not that one's ability to spit / technique necessarily makes the shit more listenable. The atmosphere of the unit is at least as important.
A good example would be Jimmy Greek
http://jimmygreek.bandcamp.com/track/give-you-a-taste-featuring-carl-kavorkian
This guy makes me laugh, sounding like he spits his load in between swigs off a bottle of something awful. Said to be postal service employee and pretty much sounds like it, in more ways than one.
ditto Dave Dub & The Sutter Cain Gang
https://davedub.bandcamp.com/track/disco-tech-threat
https://davedub.bandcamp.com/track/if-i-see-the-pigs
https://davedub.bandcamp.com/track/beautiful-bitches
Probably not swigging off a bottle of anything, just in-artful rambling shit. It's all in the delivery.
Clipping were pretty great fun live at least, he may not be the best MC but gave a good performance.
It's old news in internet music but I just discovered Viper recently :D Strangely listenable and he's the Merzbow of mixtapes, there are 100s tho I can't find a definitive discography
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/viper_f4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0uFtClAmw
Death Grips is currently touring and actually playing normal shows now, going to see them oct. 9th in south florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUhJ1a6rrRM
Quote from: Jordan on June 22, 2012, 01:50:22 AM
HongKongGoolagong - It's funny that you like The Chronic but avoided Snoop Doggy Dogg, as his first album is almost exactly the same as The Chronic
Dre showed a centimetre's worth of sensitivity in the lyrics which the idiotic Dogg omitted. I know the man who invented the term Power Electronics feels differently - http://africanpaper.com/2013/03/30/at-the-core-of-cut-hands-there-is-darkness-and-there-are-rhythms-beyond-that-anything%E2%80%99s-really-possible-interview-with-william-bennett/ - but I just can't stand Snoop's old dumbed down demeanour and how he reminded me of thuggish idiots I'd avoid in real life.
It's very very old school indeed and right at the start of the genre but Afrika Bambaataa's 'Death Mix' still sounds immense to me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtsVMJAXkv8 - I remember using this as a playout piece in a Smell & Quim show that ended in trouble as usual, Leeds Common Place '07, walking in the other room to get dressed again having been naked, having another member come in showing me all the blood on him, both laughing, walking back in the gig room in civvies and turning off the sound input which by then was pure Bambaataa, hearing the applause from drunks.
It's becoming increasingly obvious to me, via sites like Bring That Beat Back (kind of an Industrial Recollections for hip hop heads), that we all- all us of the rather specialized musical interests- completely missed the boat on hip hop.
http://beetbak.blogspot.com
But it's as obvious that matters not as The Future is now Past. The boat was made to be missed. Hip hop is long dead. Long animate the festering corpse.
I am particularly enamored of a group of artists operating in the late 90s under the name Imprints. One Tommy V seems to be credited with a great deal of the actual sound but this is seriously great. Very rough, raw, looow-fi, scratchy, but also quite creative layering of sounds. The MCing is adventurous and unique for the most part, not the slightest hint of bragging, bling, bitches, etc. This truly was "real" hip hop; the shit that the industry obviously completely ignored in an effort to market the shit to the suburban white kids. (A pet theory, I'll concede, but I'll wager an uncontroversial one.) That much of this is archived from very poor quality tape, hissy as fuck, massively adds to the charm. Appeals in more ways than one to the Zoviet Frenchy in me... maybe.
Imprints - Homeless Tea Party 1998: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBqXcqkeO9SY2QKXcw1n2c4xhs4MuLrsk
But this goes beyond Imprints. The pool of contributing artists seems at once impossibly deep, and incestuously close, much of it seemingly concentrated on the West Coast of the US, possibly revolving largely around the Shapeshifters collective, also including people like Joe Dubb and Dave Dub mentioned earlier in this thread. I rather suspect that there are huge mounds of such shit out there, all of it abandoned by starry-eyed suckaz bamboozled by the commercial pop machine and the empty promise for anyone with two turntables and a microphone. (Whoops. Snuck in my pet theory again, sorry bout that.) What's interesting (or not! re- pet theory) is when you catch up with what some of these characters were doing more recently, including the above-mentioned Tommy V, and the results are shockingly inferior, plastic, simplistic in scope and completely lacking in the amazing levels of creativity flowing through the works of yesteryear. Was it talent, fluke, some weird shit in the air? I dunno, but all I gotta say is: Bring that beat back!
A more solidified, more recent, re-presentation of the above might be via a group like Kill The Vultures. Again, employing old scratchy (blues) records but infused with a kind of stripped back punk aesthetic. Also, these guys are clearly possessed of genuine talent.
Kill the Vultures - Moonshine: http://youtu.be/p9zUol0oCpY
Kill the Vultures - Wine Thief: http://youtu.be/qro--6J7Gos
A current boat that may or may not blossom into trend proper: hip hop informed more by the likes of Godflesh and (early) Swans than RnB or whatever. Slowed down heavy percussion, slowed down vocals. Kind of what you'd get if Gira tried to make a hip hop album in the 80s. (Actually maybe Gira did- he called it "Greed". He then called it "Holy Money" in case you weren't paying attention.) One potential contender in this stream is Moodie Black. Would be cool if there were others working in the vein.
http://noiserap.com/track/b
http://noiserap.com/track/m-a-r-r-o-w
Also:
The Bug - 'Fat Mac' ft. Flowdan: http://youtu.be/a3FqlHa3Vwc
'Course, Kevin Martin has worked with Broadrick so no stretch here.
BONES is pretty good, white boy doing bored rapping over atmospheric beats with cheap visuals.
Last (?) album "Powder" is pretty good:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF1EgC8cdhI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF1EgC8cdhI)
On a similar and even more melancholic level, there's $UICIDEBOY$.
"My Liver Will Handle What My Heart Can't" is another solid album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-hdNfJAY0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-hdNfJAY0)
And, well, if people care about rap sung in brazilian portuguese, DAVALA E O NÚCLEO SUJO is very good:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0SHdiXnj-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0SHdiXnj-E)
The kings, still, being RACIONAIS MC's. Last album of them being very influenced by some Death Grips and minimalistic vibe, less crude but more experimental:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EtDQA2mS3s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EtDQA2mS3s)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKcQM_D28A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKcQM_D28A)
For some of their classic sounds:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP0VDttGZQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP0VDttGZQQ)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc2IfTUI3hE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc2IfTUI3hE)
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/14/this-teenage-girls-rap-video-i-cant-dance-i-dont-give-a-fck-is-totally-ratchet-5501621/
From Russia with love... https://youtu.be/C12F4MM71q0
ns rap is one of the most absurd things ive ever heard of, or listened to.
Quote from: F_c_O on January 11, 2016, 12:57:30 AM
ns rap is one of the most absurd things ive ever heard of, or listened to.
"no longer Nazi but still like to party"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C12F4MM71q0&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: F_c_O on January 11, 2016, 12:57:30 AM
ns rap is one of the most absurd things ive ever heard of, or listened to.
i dont think that is THAT absurd nowadays. i mean, c´mon you cant bring up the evolution of music anymore (from blues rock to RAC, anyone).
people use what they like to get their message out. if they like to use music style which was invented by black people to promote whiter power
(or "russian power" in this case) this is how the world works today.
before you go to deep into detail here, let me tell you that i am german and if my grandparents have had their will, these people would not exist
today nor would we have this conversation but THIS is the world we are living in and honestly, i like it. let them be.
on a footnote, i like the track (for various reasons and i dont hate black people or jews).
Quote from: Staalwaart on January 11, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
Quote from: F_c_O on January 11, 2016, 12:57:30 AM
ns rap is one of the most absurd things ive ever heard of, or listened to.
i dont think that is THAT absurd nowadays. i mean, c´mon you cant bring up the evolution of music anymore (from blues rock to RAC, anyone).
people use what they like to get their message out. if they like to use music style which was invented by black people to promote whiter power
(or "russian power" in this case) this is how the world works today.
before you go to deep into detail here, let me tell you that i am german and if my grandparents have had their will, these people would not exist
today nor would we have this conversation but THIS is the world we are living in and honestly, i like it. let them be.
on a footnote, i like the track (for various reasons and i dont hate black people or jews).
Of course, and I see what youre saying. Maybe the thing is, that to me hip hop and rap is way more tied to black culture or black popular culture (or as I see that culture) than blues is, which makes the appropriation (I really hope thats the right word!) of it seem so weird to me. Also, on one hand, if you put no remorse 7" to some muddy waters 7", yeah, there is connection but you can still hear that theres been quite a long development between the two, unlike with ns hip hop you can basically remove the vocal track and substitute it and no one is any wiser. Either case, its a thing now and arguing about it doesnt really achieve anything.
Quote from: F_c_O on January 11, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: Staalwaart on January 11, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
Quote from: F_c_O on January 11, 2016, 12:57:30 AM
ns rap is one of the most absurd things ive ever heard of, or listened to.
i dont think that is THAT absurd nowadays. i mean, c´mon you cant bring up the evolution of music anymore (from blues rock to RAC, anyone).
people use what they like to get their message out. if they like to use music style which was invented by black people to promote whiter power
(or "russian power" in this case) this is how the world works today.
before you go to deep into detail here, let me tell you that i am german and if my grandparents have had their will, these people would not exist
today nor would we have this conversation but THIS is the world we are living in and honestly, i like it. let them be.
on a footnote, i like the track (for various reasons and i dont hate black people or jews).
Of course, and I see what youre saying. Maybe the thing is, that to me hip hop and rap is way more tied to black culture or black popular culture (or as I see that culture) than blues is, which makes the appropriation (I really hope thats the right word!) of it seem so weird to me. Also, on one hand, if you put no remorse 7" to some muddy waters 7", yeah, there is connection but you can still hear that theres been quite a long development between the two, unlike with ns hip hop you can basically remove the vocal track and substitute it and no one is any wiser. Either case, its a thing now and arguing about it doesnt really achieve anything.
I didnt want to argue either. Really, i tought it was a intresting contribution to the topic. Of course, it is damn weird but as i said above, it is like
things are today. Personally, i see it like you said, that rap is connected to black suburban culture first and foremost but it is interesting how
people connect things in new ways to get their message across and i think it is clear that the message comes before the music in this case.
Thought I'd go back to the themes raised in the first post/page of this topic on the merits of rap music.
While it is a genre unfortunately plagued with mediocrity and one that sometimes appears to be a black hole of soullessness, really good rapshit is one of my absolute favourite things in life. There are a few special things about rap music, that I think are unique to the genre. One of these things is drum production. I can't think of many other types of music, where there is the same priority is given to drum sound, and that has the same room for creative, fucking juicy drums, except maybe jungle, breakcore etc. A lot of this potential is wasted in the type of production that is in at the moment, unfortunately. Layered, compressed, distorted and downpitched breakbeats has been exchanged for the Roland 808, lame digital high-hats and weak ass snare drums with no punch, so I won't waste any time on that crap, but I'd like to post a few examples of appealing drum sound/production in general.
Sumach - Track9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVHUBeK4qT8
The production on this track is commendable just for its sheer amount of crackling, but these severely down-pitched breakbeats are lovely.
Ghostface Killah - The Faster Blade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2knXriGCFg
Part of the first round of Wu-tang solo-releases, this is of course a fucking classic, and a bit more traditional. Still though, listen to that kick, heavy as shit while still retaining its punchy "phwump", for lack of a better word. In the background, the high-hats appear to shift ever so slightly in pitch. Delicious!
Tri-Function Million - Sprukket Jord Del II
http://recordsofthefleshgod.bandcamp.com/track/sprukket-jord-del-ii
Shamelessly posting something off my own label here, but I think the percussion in this track highlights the genres potential for incorporating unusual drum sounds. A weird, distant kick drum, flute-like thrusts, and a snare that's more like a squelch than a drum.
Regarding lyrical content and atmosphere, the best rap music often stimulates some of the same emotions in me as power electronics does. It's also like P.E. one of the best genres for delivering narratives in music and often deals with some of the same topics, crime, drug use, violence.. If this is backed up by an effective loop, its golden.
More!
Mobb Deep - Right Back At You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDe6UxghxKA
Scotty Hard - Modus Operandi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EsT89Ju7n0
GZA - Hell's Wind Staff/Killah Hills 10304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTuUkjfwUNM
Last one is a top notch crime/mafia narrative:
Restaurant's on a stake-out so order the food to take out
Chaos outside of Sparks Steak House
Maintain the power, I feel the deal's gone sour
Nigga missed a wedding, late a fucking half hour
And his man who bought land from Tony Starks
While he was contracting bricklaying jobs in city parks
He's a loan shark, bitches raise a grand to a finger
In the garment district, got it sewn like Singers
Cause all that talk blasphemy this kid after me
For the heist, in a Burlington coat factory
Fuck it, he turned state's on my nigga Castro this co-pilot
Who used to drop like stacks of blow
On this remote area we label Dead Man's Island
Two hundred miles South from Thailand
Right off the docks, I got luxurious custom made yachts
Burial plots, for my niggas hit with fatal shots
There's no need for us to spray up the scene
I use less men, more powerful shit for my team
Like my man Muhammad from Afghanistan, grew up in Iran
The nigga runs a neighborhood newsstand
A wild Middle Eastern, bomb specialist
Initiated, at eleven to be a terrorist
He set bombs in bottles of champagne
And when niggas popped the cork, niggas lost half they brains
Like this ex-worker, tried to smuggle a half a key
In his left leg, even underwent surgery
They say his pirate limp gave him away
As the feds rushed him, coming through U.S. Customs
Now look whose on the witness stand singing, a well known soprano
A smash hit from Sammy Gravano
Here's the plan minimum for the hit, two hundred grand
Half time at the game blasting niggas out the stands
The sharp-shooters hit the prosecutor, judges are sent
Photographs of they wives taking baths
Along with briefcase filled with one point five, that's the bribe
Take it or commit suicide
First rule, anyone who schemes on the gold in Syria
I want they small intestines ripped from they interior
I got a price for those jewels, ship 'em freight cargo
Don't forget to launder the cream through Wells Fargo
Reconstruct those processing plants for the call of Costa Rica
Four hundred barrels of ether
Two hundred pounds of reefer and fifty immigrants with fake Visas
People who don't like hip-hop and rap are wimps. Plain and simple.
I've been really into Evil Pimp - Da Bad Guy Returns
One of the best hip-hop albums I've ever heard. Real power.
Quote from: VelvetCurtain on April 03, 2016, 02:23:40 AM
People who don't like hip-hop and rap are wimps. Plain and simple.
I am wimp and I hate hip-hop and rap, fuck you!
Last night I was cruising down the street and saw this hip hop guy walking on the sidewalk with huge headphones on, rapping to himself while gesturing with his hands. Obviously a retard.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on April 03, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
Last night I was cruising down the street and saw this hip hop guy walking on the sidewalk with huge headphones on, rapping to himself while gesturing with his hands. Obviously a retard.
Tell me about it. I'm glad to be from a town filled mostly with punks and metal guys where you never see any of that type of shit.
not to mention PE.
absolutely no posturing there whatsoever no sir none at all.
Quote from: aububs on April 03, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
not to mention PE.
absolutely no posturing there whatsoever no sir none at all.
Show me a PE / Noise fan or artist who in his daily life behaves the way Scat-O-Logy described or similar, way that it's not an exception but a general rule for hip-hop fans.
I don't like hip-hop, neither i hate it, i just don't care about it. Why should i care for black guys moving and posering like monkeys ? But when you see a white kid immitating this "ghetto" retarted behaviour, he needs a slap.
You don't need to care. Nobody's asking you to.
I like PE.
And I like hip hop.
And I recognise the dumb trappings of both.
Just calling out the hypocrisy of moaning about the lame aspects of hip hop when you're a rabid PE fanatic.
Quote from: aububs on April 04, 2016, 09:01:22 PM
You don't need to care. Nobody's asking you to.
Quote from: VelvetCurtain on April 03, 2016, 02:23:40 AM
People who don't like hip-hop and rap are wimps. Plain and simple.
I won't continue discussion on this subject. As i told, i don't give a shit about hip-hop. The reason i told my opinion is that nosense connection between hip-hop and PE, you [aububs] did and keep doing. If you say so ... your problem, not mine. Seems you like "lame aspects" music generally.
there people who do PE and like Rap like any other style of music first who come to mind from the old school is Skm-Etr, Slogun and me World Downfall when i was active still listen to chicano Rap and PE more into HNW now
Quote from: Theodore on April 04, 2016, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: aububs on April 04, 2016, 09:01:22 PM
You don't need to care. Nobody's asking you to.
Quote from: VelvetCurtain on April 03, 2016, 02:23:40 AM
People who don't like hip-hop and rap are wimps. Plain and simple.
I won't continue discussion on this subject. As i told, i don't give a shit about hip-hop. The reason i told my opinion is that nosense connection between hip-hop and PE, you [aububs] did and keep doing. If you say so ... your problem, not mine. Seems you like "lame aspects" music generally.
No need to get personal, Theodore.
An old joke:
"Do you listen to hip hop?"
"Sure - every time I'm stopped at a traffic light"
And I think that encapsulates my issue with hip-hop: the ubiquity of it. If not in person, than in mainstream pop culture at large - you hear it absolutely everywhere, and that's been the case going on 30 years now. If I heard the kind of sonic art that we discuss here on this board as often as I heard hip-hop, I'd probably stop listening to it out of sheer exhaustion.
Modern hip hop and rap is basically just like modern country, just another auto-tuned, watered down, hyper cloned genre regurgitating the same over and over that basically just mirrors all modern pop music. Notice that there isn't much of a difference any longer between how the genre's sound essentially(modern popular rock/metal, country, rap/hiphop, and pop)?
I listen primarily to 90's gangster rap, all varities of metal, and noise with some occassional classic rock or goth rock thrown in if I HAD to narrow down my tastes, and I really don't have any problem with it. I rediscovered rap in my early twenties through old Three Six Mafia and all the solo DJ Paul and Lord Infamous stuff, which sounds ironically like a lot of it was recorded under the same conditions a lot of black metal was recorded (shitty 4 track in a basement while on a lot of speed and other drugs), then you read about how fucking crazy someone like Infamous was in real life and then the whole thing falls into place, especially why he died so young, went to prison, and so on.
This will probably get me pissed on but what I found ironic is that metal, punk, noise, rap, all of these draw from the same source in a way but are just different faces or manifestations of the same lawless energy/current. You establish yourself in all of these genre's through anti-social behavior, violent hostility towards mainstream culture, extreme aesthetics and fashion, affinity for vinyl and DIY culture, eccentric and over the top personalities etc.
Look at the picture of Eazy-E holding up too 9mm's....and then look at the picture of Varg in his church burning days holding up his knives...they're holding the same pose...
I agree with the sentiment that modern hip hop pails in comparison to the earlier material. This isn't down to any sort of nostalgia, but comes down to current legal issues of sample clearance and copyright control destroying the 'creativity' of the genre.
Album's like "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" by Public Enemy could literally not be made/ lawfully cleared with sampling legislation as it applies today. Although 18 years old now when I gave it a spin a few months back it still sounds 'vital' after all these years. It is constructed with literally hundreds of samples, including Slayer, David Bowie and the obligatory James Brown - to name just 3. Public Enemy were one such group that took sampling to another level and not the current trend of just relying on sampling a single hook from another song (...which itself comes down to the fact that artists pay through the nose to clear single samples).
On the other hand experimental hip hop groups like Dalek have done some very interesting murky soundscape based hip hop that is quite 'David Lynch' or 'Penderecki' in vibe. But then again given they went on tour with post-metal outfit ISIS, clearly they are not of the typical hip hop norms.
Ha!
I think I just like evil, menacing, over-the-top, tough shit. In my honest opinion, Evil Pimp's best tracks are super fucking tough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQybi6PMkk
Hip hop culture has that charming camp value in it (just like metal). Grown-up men behaving like 14-year-old boys.
Experimental and genre blending hip hop is completely another issue.
Quote from: Theodore on April 04, 2016, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: aububs on April 04, 2016, 09:01:22 PM
You don't need to care. Nobody's asking you to.
Quote from: VelvetCurtain on April 03, 2016, 02:23:40 AM
People who don't like hip-hop and rap are wimps. Plain and simple.
I won't continue discussion on this subject. As i told, i don't give a shit about hip-hop. The reason i told my opinion is that nosense connection between hip-hop and PE, you [aububs] did and keep doing. If you say so ... your problem, not mine. Seems you like "lame aspects" music generally.
Bahaha!
Quote from: theotherjohn on July 11, 2016, 12:23:30 AM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msWb1l2j6g
Actually the "new generation of hip hop" is not in my taste (grown up at oldschool groups) but i must say this is on point
Quote from: cutter on July 11, 2016, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: theotherjohn on July 11, 2016, 12:23:30 AM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msWb1l2j6g
Actually the "new generation of hip hop" is not in my taste (grown up at oldschool groups) but i must say this is on point
I can't stand videos of this nature, but the rapper does seem to make an attempt to take Outkast material into new territory, and is definitely respectable.
I'm honestly more aligned with the people who have chimed in about why they don't like hip hop/rap, as a grown up, but ultimately I grew up in an almost entirely non-white peer environment until I was 11, and didn't listen to anything but rap for most of that time. As such, and generally speaking, I listen to rap from time to time for the same reasons that old metal heads listen to DIO or something. It is more or less vapid material, but at times it can be clever, good to clean the apartment to, maybe lift weights, etc. And I prefer it to techno.
To disagree with many people here, the most tedious is the hip hop that attempts to be deep and sentimental. I just like sharp and clever and catchy, the more arrogant and childish, the better. I have liked elements of MF Doom, and some others whose names I can't even remember at this time, but most people fail at the idea of "new directions" by way of experimental/time signatures/spacial stuff in underground hip hop.
I'm still keen on Outkast and Wu Tang Clan, and a smattering of other "mainstream" artists, not to mention various underground stuff, from time to time, but I have to admit that Eminem is miles above everybody to me, especially because he is not only the most talented, but also clear enough, not using "gangsta" slang so much that it is alienating.
But I'm drawn to extremely clever combinations of syllables for effect. The best example of this is one of his early tracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VJZK6G5dQ
"I hope god forgives me for my sins
I guess it all depends
on if I keep on killin' my girlfriends"
"freestyles" and "rap battles" also interest me, because people are challenged to be insulting in a spontaneous rhyming manner completely impromptu, and this is pretty much the only arena of hip hop where I am ever truly impressed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqV5zLqr2so
(http://dovga.com/images/original/video_5099-eminem-just-lose-it.jpg)
Also noteworthy to me is his capacity to piss people off unrelentingly. This video is not particularly good, but it's the only one to insult Michael Jackson and discuss pedophilia while also Paris Hilton, who is in the video, and various other things, and it was aired on MTV, probably the best selling hip hop artist ever. Interestingly enough, this is his last hurrah before making more serious, but still vulgar, music that is easier to sell to 11 yr olds, but it's still very talented, for what it's worth. After this song, Michael Jackson bought all of the rights to his songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dcVOmEQzKA
Other than that, there are a couple of Puerto Rican strippers that I like to listen to, mainly because of the textural quality of their voices.
(http://jojocrews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/MariahLynnMoneyGun.jpg)
This one I genuinely enjoy, it's creative and energetic. Mariah Lynn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCX32jBGUs
(http://rapdose.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cardi-b-gangsta-bitch-music-vol.-1.jpg)
And then there's this one. "very talented". Cardi B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMun3qjKAZU
I am curious what the general consensus about "black music" and its origins is in Europe.
In America, it's basically thought that black people invented music and white people stole it, and most contemporary music is based off of the blues.
I have read that there were a great deal of white indentured servants mixed with African slaves in the Caribbean, as a sort of slave holding ground, and it was a mixing of these cultures that created sousa and other styles of music.
Do people in Europe think that pop music as it is today was based off of something that was invented by Europeans? What is the generic history about that in Europe?
America is only 500 years old, so I'm curious if anyone can share an educated perspective from a much older continent.
When I listen to old rock n roll I hear a marriage between country and blues. I never got the "whites stole rock n roll from the blacks" argument. Everyone takes influence from everyone which allows music to evolve. Call it interpreting, borrowing, stealing or appropriating. It's never going to change. So Elvis is a thief who had no right to play rock n roll while Afrika Bambaataa's Planet Rock makes him an innovator? I call bullshit on that.
That's my opinion. I'm sure people over here are as misguided, guilt ridden and deluded in general about the origins of black music as they are over there.
I am a pretty big fan of soul music and funk, and it actually came from listening to the wu tang clan and finding out the origin of the samples. Wendy Rene (After The Laughter, sampled in Wu Tang Clan's "Tearz") is now my favorite soul singer, since there was a 2LP issued of unreleased material. Prior to that she'd just had some single on Stax, and you'd have to get the STAX single box set to get it. But I digress.
My point is, as someone else alluded to, the sampling of hip hop can / could have some real flair to it. Case in point is DJ MUGGS, 1999 and before. He's best known for working with Cypress Hill and House of Pain, but I think he worked with Gravediggaz and others around this time. I still need to go to whosampledit.com to find out what his record crates looked like, but I really enjoy the texture of these tracks. House of Pain was obviously a gimmick, I have heard their demos prior to being signed, it was absolute shit. Obvious gimmick to exploit the "Irish Rap" market. But they were lucky to get Muggs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIUzF9VhPok
Their single from their second album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKhJXaX2bAU
I also want to add that Method Man's Tical was recorded in a grimey basement. Their prior studio was flooded, and most of the album was destroyed. But for some reason, they still went to another basement after the flood, as I recall reading somewhere. It is alluded to in wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tical_(album)#Background
And I want to add that I never saw anyone mention Das EFX. I think they had a gritty style and just something straight-forward, yet unusual about their rhythms, I feel like they were the only ones who used different bpms than usual in more popular hip hop of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqdAqX28u0
I chuckled as someone's use of the term "white backpacker rap", but truth be told, the links I followed that were about being raw and low fi, and cool, I just thought it was meandering bullshit. I am still keeping an open mind, because I do like when I get a renegade feel from hip hop, but it's pretty rare.
Rocks FOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiThDBVZ0gE
dark and visceral backing, dextrous and aggressive vocals.
Thelemic and mystical lyrical references.
song proper starts 1min in.
CAS IS DEAD
nihilism...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzgCkPDYE7s
surrealism...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0h7c3CUwXU
pitch black humour...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OlGv1_0_M8
STRANGE U
for those who enjoy Raider Klan, old Memphis rap or even New Kingdom - this is an altogether more abstract take on that sheer level of sonic MURK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brq5M4qja08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGR8Xxne0DY
HipHop/Rap?
No, thanks!
I'm gonna go ahead and say that all the links posted on this page are utter trash, even that wriggle music video.
I was into rap when I was was little, but it was mainly top-40 hit chart singles sprinkled with "party-rap" songs. Not sure what else to call it
Anyways.. A long time ago a friend gave this album!
He said something like "you're into those serial killer musicians right? here you'll like this!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlY89I-U1mA
Best song is 18:34 "Fuckin Wit A Psycho" and "Bitch Killa"
Quote from: a_2_g_2 on July 13, 2016, 02:40:01 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and say that all the links posted on this page are utter trash, even that wriggle music video.
I was into rap when I was was little, but it was mainly top-40 hit chart singles sprinkled with "party-rap" songs. Not sure what else to call it
Anyways.. A long time ago a friend gave this album!
He said something like "you're into those serial killer musicians right? here you'll like this!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlY89I-U1mA
Best song is 18:34 "Fuckin Wit A Psycho" and "Bitch Killa"
i agree, sounds brilliant, brings back the old school
I have to admit that I'm old enough to have heard Grand Master Flash and Melly Mel's "Message" on the radio when it came out. Saw them live once too.
I was kind of a misfit white kid that was into punk and stuff like Devo as well as being into a lot of early hip-hop. All my other white punk rock friends hated 'that nigger music'.
I've kind of gone into and out of it over the years. There are certainly some very experimental/exploratory artists and then there are the other 90% of rappers/DJs/Producers who just rap about cars, money, guns and hoes.
For a while I did some work with a hip hop act that got most of their beats from some alt-goth-industrial guy. So kind of like Skinny Puppy with rapping instead of methed out ranting.
I've also been to a few underground hip-hop/synth-punk/hardcore punk shows in the bay area that had some pretty interesting results.
I remember one night where this collective Oakland Faders was there along with some of the Heiroglyphics people. Some pretty epic rap-battles and stuff. But what really killed it was the Oakland Faders guys. they were just lurking by their turntables and would interject little flourishes and snippets while other bands were playing.
A few interesting acts;
MC Beans as well as the Anti-Pop Consortium.
https://youtu.be/Vs50SyReeK0
Death Grips.
https://youtu.be/r5GCn1BKkxg
I was into Punlic Enemy for a while in the early 90's. They were kind of pioneering the whole sampling as an art form thing. As opposed to just looping 4 bars of a well known pop song.
I think you have to regard hip hop as not a monolithic genre. There is as much difference between mainstream top 40 rap and underground shit as there was between mainstream rock and underground punk back in the 80's.
It's kind of sad that the surest way not to be commercially successful in hip hop these days is to make intelligent statements on top of a creative arrangement. Now if you just sample what everyone else is sampling and rap about your dick and your money...
So no I don't really listen to much contemporary hip hop. I have a few albums and such in my music library that I play from time to time. Whenever I do listen to current hiphop I'm usually surprised if it isn't garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0D9xj5Ojo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0D9xj5Ojo)
Yes pretty lady
I love you so
Since the time we met
My dick has grown
JAK PROGRESSO aka JAK TRIPPER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of31glBbso0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BoPpTa1pfY
GORETEX aka GORE ELOHIM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67G3tq5FUcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHVkLirRojY
Quote from: addictor33 on August 11, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
JAK PROGRESSO aka JAK TRIPPER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of31glBbso0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BoPpTa1pfY
GORETEX aka GORE ELOHIM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67G3tq5FUcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHVkLirRojY
Good shit check lodeck too
Due to most of my friends being into hip-hop/rap, sometimes I can't resist listening to a french rapper called Alkpote.
Most lyrics are really filthy and absurd, great stuff. Latest album is called "Sadisme et perversion". Unfoturnately for non-french speakers it's way less interesting, but I still recommend checking it out for the global atmosphere.
Here are some links :
https://youtu.be/WIzVUTxJwyo
https://youtu.be/Yesg9WkBLRw
I'll check out links posted in this topic !
haven't listened to this shot for years.
when I did it was wordsound label artistes
Quote from: C601 on August 11, 2016, 05:14:40 PM
Quote from: addictor33 on August 11, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
JAK PROGRESSO aka JAK TRIPPER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of31glBbso0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BoPpTa1pfY
GORETEX aka GORE ELOHIM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67G3tq5FUcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHVkLirRojY
Good shit check lodeck too
agree! lodeck is fire
dream dentistry is my fav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiTBBEG4U5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IZP0lVqM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQpddbbqB_k
evil shit
Quote from: addictor33 on August 14, 2016, 03:40:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IZP0lVqM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQpddbbqB_k
evil shit
something more from Necro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1ETxqcsNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n1ETxqcsNY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTQgsj3L7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTQgsj3L7M)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXtM4qQh-j4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXtM4qQh-j4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_cKX0p5Qb8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_cKX0p5Qb8)
I don't listen to a lot of hip hop, but i used to listen to some older stuff when i was younger, like A tribe called quest etc..
Later picked it up again due to stuff like El-P, Clouddead/DoseOne,Why? etc.. basicly the whole Anticon label kinda thing
Most recent hip hop i enjoy is some releases by that whole OFWGKTA krew. Not everything is great, but stuff like this is pretty good imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anRkutaPS9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LPBsQ-lWKU
necro, eh... but his ex-buddy who he jacked his style from - GORETEX is way better... cause guy is honest.
dude actually crashed at my house for a week a few years back... he was fascinated by noise, and we smoked an oz of pot, listened to only black metal/grindcore/hardcore, and watched a lot of biker/exploitation/horror films. he had a lot of great stories about supernatural experiences, his family being involved in a cult, etc.... not a faker at all!
I can't tell if this guy is a joke or not.
https://youtu.be/n4tbpkZ4Dgw
https://youtu.be/aGxIS0JWiUA
https://youtu.be/v4gCRuoviw0
https://youtu.be/niHSDx4Y_zs
https://youtu.be/JxLS-cpgbe0
https://youtu.be/r67xOaGrs-Y
Quote from: calaverasgrande on August 22, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
I can't tell if this guy is a joke or not.
https://youtu.be/n4tbpkZ4Dgw
https://youtu.be/aGxIS0JWiUA
https://youtu.be/v4gCRuoviw0
https://youtu.be/niHSDx4Y_zs
https://youtu.be/JxLS-cpgbe0
He's serious. I mean, yeah, he's a a joke, but not intentionally. Riff Raff is clearly one of the main inspirations for the character Alien in Harmony Korine's Spring Breakers, along with this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N6CCOSEEFQ. Definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
I dunno that Dangeruss guy looks like the kind of idiot that would actually be kind of a problem to be around. I know I wouldn't let that cracked out looking guy in my studio. Riff Raff looks like a total wuss.
I'm actually kind of from the ghetto myself. There are certainly white boys in the ghetto that rap, deal drugs and have corn rows. But there are also white boys in the burbs that saw Menace to Society and were very impressed.
I kind of feel like Riff Raff is the former. But there is the absurdness to him that makes me look twice. Like what the fuck waving around a can of Miracle Whip? And he has some of the most ridiculous tattoos you have ever thought of. NBA and BET tats. For real.
I wonder if he's something like Die Antwoord? A former "backpacker rapper" type that started doing lowest common denominator rap and got much more successful even though they were just kind of goofing.
I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes typing all that.
Quote from: calaverasgrande on August 23, 2016, 08:20:30 AM
I dunno that Dangeruss guy looks like the kind of idiot that would actually be kind of a problem to be around. I know I wouldn't let that cracked out looking guy in my studio. Riff Raff looks like a total wuss.
I'm actually kind of from the ghetto myself. There are certainly white boys in the ghetto that rap, deal drugs and have corn rows. But there are also white boys in the burbs that saw Menace to Society and were very impressed.
I kind of feel like Riff Raff is the former. But there is the absurdness to him that makes me look twice. Like what the fuck waving around a can of Miracle Whip? And he has some of the most ridiculous tattoos you have ever thought of. NBA and BET tats. For real.
I wonder if he's something like Die Antwoord? A former "backpacker rapper" type that started doing lowest common denominator rap and got much more successful even though they were just kind of goofing.
I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes typing all that.
And people whining about hip hop is ridiculous. Just like the ones saying "hip hop is shit now, only Public Enemy was good". So fucking retarded.
Contrarily to other musics, hip hop never stopped evolving, concerning the flow and the beats, the samples or now in the south even original music. A rap artist or producer would never say "oh let's play a beat sounding like '91", it would feel so stupid for them. And it's what is happening in a lot of music, taking pride in playing the same music over and over.
The lyrics can sometimes be only about guns, murders, cops, hoes, but come on, power electronics is 90% of the time dealing with murders, serial killers, prostitutes, sexual deviations, ... It's the same cliches over and over again.
If you want to talk about old school the Geto Boys were particulary hardcore, and you should read "Diary of a Madman" by Braid 'Scarface' Jordan. Very good book, about growing up in the hood, struggling with mental illness but hiding it to avoid being seen as a weak dude, ultraviolence, sex everywhere, drugs, acid trips, and his love for punk, metal, black sabbath kind of stuff and tangerine dream or pink floyd.
Lyrically, he was really dark and violent. Like "Mind of a Lunatic", or talking about mental illness / bipolar disorders / paranoia a lot.
Mind of a lunatic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asc3Scq_Iuw
"Lookin through her window, now my body is warm / She's naked, and I'm a peepin tom
Her body's beautiful, so I'm thinkin rape / Shouldn't have had her curtains open, so that's her fate
Leavin out her house, grabbed the bitch by her mouth / Drug her back in, slammed her down on the couch
Whipped out my knife, said, "If you scream, I'm cuttin" / Opened her legs and commenced the fuckin
She begged me not to kill her, I gave her a rose / Then slit her throat, and watched her shake till her eyes closed
Had sex with the corpse before I left her / And drew my name on the wall like helter skelter"
My Mind Is Playing Tricks On Me : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KutXyPEEbQs
"Day by day it's more impossible to cope / I feel like I'm the one that's doing dope
Can't keep a steady hand because I'm nervous / Every Sunday morning I'm in service
Playing for forgiveness / And trying to find an exit out of the business
I know the Lord is looking at me / But yet and still it's hard for me to feel happy
I often drift while I drive / Havin fatal thoughts of suicide
BANG and get it over with / And then I'm worry-free, but that's bullshit
I got a little boy to look after / And if I died then my child would be a bastard
I had a woman down with me / But to me it seemed like she was down to get me
She helped me out in this shit / But to me she was just another bitch
Now she's back with her mother / Now I'm realizing that I love her
Now I'm feeling lonely / My mind is playing tricks on me"
And from Scarface's solo album, the song "Born Killer"
"My momma did her part / But it ain't her fault that I was born without a heart
In other words I'm heartless, dude / I don't love me, how the fuck I'mma love you?
That's right, you guessed it / I'm legally insane, marked manic depressive
I'm taking all types of medication / To keep me out the mood of premeditating
The longer I'm alone it's worse / I'm having thoughts of killing me, but I'm killing you first
My psychiatrist talks but I don't listen / A victim of society fucked by the system
My whole life's been a see saw / I'm up one day, down and out on tomorrow
Right now I'm even more upset / Some shit done happened to me that I don't think I'll ever forget
You think I'd let it die, but I ain't / It ain't because I want to, its because I can't"
I saw that it was talked about before, but yeah southern hip hop in the 90s had a great underground tape scene. Really creepy vibe, with a dangerous feeling. You can feel the guy screaming in the trunk of the car
N.O.D. - Fuck Da World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDE5q-ElY0
Children Of The Corn - Hockey Mask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws0Ju0BX6h8
Ten Wanted Men - Magnolia Meets 4 Corners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGkOqD6w1w (they're throwing respect in prison with that cover)
Project Pat is one of the best storyteller too. ''Aggravated Robbery", "We Can Get Gangsta", or this one "Redrum", you can picture the story like a movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBW8DhNwZmk
This past decade I loved the rise and fall and rise and fall and fall and fall and finally big rise of Gucci Mane. One of the most interesting characters, not only in hip hop but in general of these last ten years. Fucked on drugs, going to prison all the time, trial for murder charge, hundreds of mixtapes and solid albums. Taking the concept of chains, money, and capitalist glory to its absurdity until he doesn't mean anything at all. Without knowing well his personnal and musical history you may not understand the impact he had/has, but there is this thin line between a genius and a retard and at first i wasn't sure about him. Now i know this guy is definitely a smart guy playing dumb, except when he used to be fucked up, out of his mind. He's for sure the coldest rapper ever, only the line towards the rapper who put a bounty on him and Gucci ended up killing the guy and burying him behind a school : "Go dig your partner up nigga, i bet he can't say shit". Brrr icey
And to conclude:
Here is something that could speak to some people into power electronics
CLIPPING, hip hop with noise elements, even using a sample of Whitehouse's "Wriggle like an Eel" for their beat
https://clppng.bandcamp.com/album/wriggle
I think it has become kind of trendy now, like Death Grips.
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1293675512_10.jpg)
Clipping is great. A friend of mine actually guests on one track on "Wriggle"... I've known Antwon for over a decade. He's a great rapper, I'm especially fond of "Dark Denim"and "End of Earth".
Good to see some appreciation for hip-hop, not a fan of clipping though, don't like the guys voice although some productions are great.
they certainly have the packaging esthetic down.
I could have sworn that was a NWW release.
Big fan of Clipping. You can see Hutson wearing THE RITA shirt in one of the live videos.
I find skilled rap battles to be pretty compelling. This one is between two of the better artists, Dizaster and Iron Solomon, a Lebanese guy VS a Jewish guy. Things get pretty hateful and racist, and at points get pretty intricate about history, theology, conspiracy theories, and such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi8YiZrSmaM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on September 06, 2016, 09:42:52 AM
I find skilled rap battles to be pretty compelling. This one is between two of the better artists, Dizaster and Iron Solomon, a Lebanese guy VS a Jewish guy. Things get pretty hateful and racist, and at points get pretty intricate about history, theology, conspiracy theories, and such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi8YiZrSmaM
I like those battle vids as well. There were some good ones I saw a while ago with a trans guy battling some homophobic rappers, which is to say, rappers in general. Seen another with a lesbian battling some dudes and she slayed it.
Though for some reason watching rap battles I always end up watching street fight videos.
I made two volumes for the moment of Hip Hop classics from the 90s and early 00s
More to come
From classic smooth new york sound to raw attacks from the south and the west coast g funk etc
MASTER P, NOTORIOUS BIG, BROTHA LYNCH HUNG, WU TANG, MAD FLAVA, PROJECT PAT, LIL WYTE, FRANKENSTEIN, SOULS OF MISCHIEFS, GOODIE MOB, WESTSIDE CONNECTION, MOBB DEEP, BOOBA, DJ CUT KILLER, GANG STARR, RBL POSSE, DEVIN THE DUDE, SCARFACE, CAPONE N NOREAGA, INTELLIGENT HOODLUM, STREET MILITARY...
"FUCK LOOKING CUTE !
I'M STRICTLY TIMB BOOTS AND ARMY CERTIFIED SUITS"
Vol1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerqCp0lqdc
Vol2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWZU_CnxE14
Enjoy & share! Thanks!
Those are some legit mixes, good stuff!
new Conejo album Reing Supreme 3 will be the shit ese
the constructus corporation (pre die antwoord)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgJB7DrX6qQ
more like an audiobook, impressive shit
Really!? Hip hop?
nah, quickly return to combinations & variations of shouting angry dudes w guitars, bass, drums, and/or electronic farts
Quote from: Deadpriest on January 05, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Really!? Hip hop?
Hehe, serves you right for your surprise. Not really a fan of most hip-hop either, and won't get into the ensuing debate, but there are days when the first Cypress Hill album or "Amerikkka's Most Wanted" just hits the spot. Brotha Lynch Hung ain't bad, either. So far haven't gotten into this noise-rap stuff at all.
Quote from: pentd on January 16, 2017, 02:22:30 AM
nah, quickly return to combinations & variations of shouting angry dudes w guitars, bass, drums, and/or electronic farts
huh?
Migos "Culture" in 5 days. Ready!
https://youtu.be/1VUa99-tJqs (https://youtu.be/1VUa99-tJqs)
Quote from: yosef666 on August 31, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Clipping is great. A friend of mine actually guests on one track on "Wriggle"... I've known Antwon for over a decade. He's a great rapper, I'm especially fond of "Dark Denim"and "End of Earth".
Antwon is sick, the version of Dark Denim with Kerry from Deafheaven is awesome
I like villains, like Westsidegunn and Conway:
Conway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1o2rnJA0Rg
Westsidegunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8meyLf0wJQ
Love that brother, only crooks like crooks - respect
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on May 13, 2017, 03:51:56 AM
I like villains, like Westsidegunn and Conway:
Conway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1o2rnJA0Rg
Westsidegunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8meyLf0wJQ
Quote from: blkblkblk on May 13, 2017, 06:09:00 AM
Love that brother, only crooks like crooks - respect
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on May 13, 2017, 03:51:56 AM
I like villains, like Westsidegunn and Conway:
Conway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1o2rnJA0Rg
Westsidegunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8meyLf0wJQ
Enjoying these, hadn't heard before. Nice! Wu Worship in the best way.
Quote from: blkblkblk on May 13, 2017, 06:09:00 AM
Love that brother, only crooks like crooks - respect
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on May 13, 2017, 03:51:56 AM
I like villains, like Westsidegunn and Conway:
Conway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1o2rnJA0Rg
Westsidegunn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8meyLf0wJQ
Respect back at ya G.
Speaking of more villainous vibes, there's the new Sean Price & Illa Ghee EP "Metal Detectors"
(http://rapradar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/metel-detectors.png)
"I EXPOSE ALL MAN FOR HIS LACK OF GRAVITY."
"THE CROWN IS MERELY A HAT THAT LET THE REIGN/RAIN IN."
The words are fucking insane.
I should also add that this album is incredible too and the artwork is nothing short of brilliant. Westsidegunn is the grimiest, nothing on this album but tales of putting in work in prison. The first track is uneasy and brooding....
Hitler Wears Hermes V
(https://static.vibe.com/files/2017/10/westside-gunn-hilter-wears-heres-v-vibe-1509486503-compressed.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcDA8ZZlmY
Westside Gunn is great, his track with Sean Price sounds like they were listening to a lot of Sabbath in the studio.
Into his brother Conway the Machine and their cousin Benny the Butcher in a big way too.
Quote from: Nolan on March 20, 2018, 10:10:04 PM
Westside Gunn is great, his track with Sean Price sounds like they were listening to a lot of Sabbath in the studio.
Into his brother Conway the Machine and their cousin Benny the Butcher in a big way too.
Grizelda is where its at these days.
That Black Tar track is perfect. Bass line is straight evil.
"The nine convince you, to take off your nikes and like cement shoes, P!"
Quote from: HONOR_IS_KING! on March 19, 2018, 11:01:24 PM
I should also add that this album is incredible too and the artwork is nothing short of brilliant. Westsidegunn is the grimiest, nothing on this album but tales of putting in work in prison. The first track is uneasy and brooding....
Hitler Wears Hermes V
(https://static.vibe.com/files/2017/10/westside-gunn-hilter-wears-heres-v-vibe-1509486503-compressed.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGcDA8ZZlmY
i was unfamiliar until now, but this is fucking great. all of it. i shoulda known you'd have the goods.
MC Holocaust
https://mcholocaust.bandcamp.com/
Go here if you want to hear horror tinged memphis worship with production values like old Broken Flag tapes.
Menace clan - Da hood
Thats raw hip hop aggression - better yet, you could get the skrewed and chopped version for full time meth brain effect
Anyone here into Drink Champs? Pretty much the only podcast I've ever really gotten into. New episode drops on Friday interviewing Conway the Machine AND Tragedy Khadafi. Been really hoping they'd get some Griselda dudes on there for a while, plus N.O.R.E. and Tragedy getting together after so much legendary history and beef... Double whammy for most anticipated episode for me.
The Tragedy episode was excellent and very illuminating for those who know the extent of his and NORE's history.
This hilarious NORE interview from 2000 in Life Sucks Die was where I learned about their falling out. Sounds like there's tension there still but they're cool. Tragedy is a severely underrated rapper.
https://sighkingu.tumblr.com/post/51969569289/life-sucks-die-noreaga-its-nothing-by/amp
Check out WU-TANG CLAN
Ka's Descendants of Cain is amazing, wouldn't have thought I'd hear something this hard hitting in 2020 & in my top 5 albums last year.
I've just released a mixtape, that is already sold out called NIGGER 3D, with a great tracklist of underground southern rappers from the 90s to early 00s
"With Gangsta Rap or Outlaw Country, it's basically the same thing you're looking for: individuals stuck between genius and retarded, talking about drugs, guns, fucking, violence, illegal stupid shit. We love clichés. So now you're served! It doesn't mean everything inside this tape is not fucking fire, because it is, only hits! Nasty as it can be. "
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/n-er-3d
Intro
211 - Hustlin Pays Tha Billz feat LOG
SKINNY PIMP - Glock In My Draws
DJ ZIRK - Lock Em In The Trunk
GUCCI MANE - Black Tee (OG) / Swing My Door
MACK DADDY JU - My Head Is Spinnin'
GANKSTA NIP - Disgusting
MANIAC - Pimpin' These Hoes
CRIME MOB - Put Yo Hands Up
"Get Yo Stinky Ass Outta Here, Alicia!"
CHROME - Money For Crack
MACK D.L.E - I'm A Pervert
POINT BLANK - Bitch Said I Raped Her
PLAYA FLY - Nappy Hair Gold Teeth
DJ PAUL & JUICY J - Stick Up Man
GHETTO MAFIA - Draw The Line
LIL FLY - Funky Town's In My Brain
There was also Creepin' In Memphis:
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/creepin-in-memphis
DJ Zirk – 2 Thick
Tommy Wright III – Manslaughter
DJ Paul – Sweet Robbery (Part I)
Frayser Click – Load Da Ammo
Tom Skee Mask – Niggas Watch Your Back
Lo Key – On That Devil Shit
Princess Loko – Loko 4 Real
Mack DLE – Buddah
Carmike & Lil Noid – Let's Run A Train
Criminal Mafia – Fuck A Trick
N.O.D. – Fuck Da World
Project Pat – Redrum
Triple Sixe Mafia – Paul Wit Da 45
Player 1 & Bloody Bones – Back 2 Da Dope Track
Blackout – No Witnesses
DJ Spanish Fly – Cement Shoes
Or the Mobb Deep demos I cleaned up and remastered a bit:
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/mobb-deep-the-infamous-demo
(https://s9.limitedrun.com/images/1503015/v600_IMG_20210306_182026.jpg)
Those Mobb Deep demos are impressive. thanks
I like Hip Hop when I take time to play it, I find the sounds rich and colourful a lot of the time. Big on Czarface, Wu Tang Clan and DJ Screw. I ordered a CD of a DJ Screw mixtape from Screwed Up Records which handles the releases of his works since he passed and loved it. I believe there are hundreds, I would like more.
Quote from: Neons Fanzine on March 08, 2021, 04:21:08 AMI've just released a mixtape, that is already sold out called NIGGER 3D, with a great tracklist of underground southern rappers from the 90s to early 00s
"With Gangsta Rap or Outlaw Country, it's basically the same thing you're looking for: individuals stuck between genius and retarded, talking about drugs, guns, fucking, violence, illegal stupid shit. We love clichés. So now you're served! It doesn't mean everything inside this tape is not fucking fire, because it is, only hits! Nasty as it can be. "
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/n-er-3d
Intro
211 - Hustlin Pays Tha Billz feat LOG
SKINNY PIMP - Glock In My Draws
DJ ZIRK - Lock Em In The Trunk
GUCCI MANE - Black Tee (OG) / Swing My Door
MACK DADDY JU - My Head Is Spinnin'
GANKSTA NIP - Disgusting
MANIAC - Pimpin' These Hoes
CRIME MOB - Put Yo Hands Up
"Get Yo Stinky Ass Outta Here, Alicia!"
CHROME - Money For Crack
MACK D.L.E - I'm A Pervert
POINT BLANK - Bitch Said I Raped Her
PLAYA FLY - Nappy Hair Gold Teeth
DJ PAUL & JUICY J - Stick Up Man
GHETTO MAFIA - Draw The Line
LIL FLY - Funky Town's In My Brain
There was also Creepin' In Memphis:
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/creepin-in-memphis
DJ Zirk – 2 Thick
Tommy Wright III – Manslaughter
DJ Paul – Sweet Robbery (Part I)
Frayser Click – Load Da Ammo
Tom Skee Mask – Niggas Watch Your Back
Lo Key – On That Devil Shit
Princess Loko – Loko 4 Real
Mack DLE – Buddah
Carmike & Lil Noid – Let's Run A Train
Criminal Mafia – Fuck A Trick
N.O.D. – Fuck Da World
Project Pat – Redrum
Triple Sixe Mafia – Paul Wit Da 45
Player 1 & Bloody Bones – Back 2 Da Dope Track
Blackout – No Witnesses
DJ Spanish Fly – Cement Shoes
Or the Mobb Deep demos I cleaned up and remastered a bit:
https://neonspublishing.bandcamp.com/album/mobb-deep-the-infamous-demo
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That cover! Haha...looks like some serious Rap-A-Lot / No Limit Records type of down souffff H-Town Type of garbage dump for sure! I'm very familiar with shitloads of Hip Hop in all it forms, believe it or not. I probably know more about that type of shit than anyone on here...truth be told. I dislike hip hop a lot these days, but if you didn't know or listen to a lot as a youth, then how can you know you no longer like it? I'm very familiar though with the likes of Ganksta N.I.P...Nation Islam Power is what the acronym stand for...ehhh..he was basically like Esham The Unholy meets Brotha Lynch Hung, but more with that Geto Boys sound and approach coming from Houston, TX. I just think the tape cover is hilarious, because it's like you're somewhat making fun of this shit as you should Haha, but the artists on the mix tapes intelligence is so low, they'd probably think you were giving them props with this dope mix tape treatment!
Quote from: tiny_tove on March 08, 2021, 03:04:24 PMThose Mobb Deep demos are impressive. thanks
I've got a friend in Chicago from way back and I've recently connected again with him and he's still big into the underground hip hop and horrorcore scene. He sent me a link once to this rapper guy from Boston called Slaine, total Boston Irish OG goon type. If you like Mobb Deep, you'd definitely like this, if not better. That was my take away from it, despite having divorced myself from hip hop all together like twenty some years ago. The track he sent me was called When The War Ends, gritty black n white video, reminded me of like some gangster movie type shit like film Narc with Ray Liotta, had that type of hopeless grittiness to it. Also had Ill Bill on the chorus. If you're not familiar with him, you might like him too and he comes from a metal background believe it or not! Haha...anyways thought since if you got an interest in Mobb Deep it's only appropriate to check out Slaine.
Quote from: tiny_tove on December 07, 2023, 11:12:06 AMmeanwhile in Italy
lol
Jersey Shore hip hop! Haha...we've got a lot that kind of shit here in the US too. The world by and large evidently seems to be infatuated with this type of stuff!
The CIA Financed Hip Hop for Social Engineering, to 'Corrupt American Youth' and to Covertly Destabilize and Sow Division in America
Thing that has me scratching my head is nationalist hip-hop.
Quote from: burdizzo1 on February 10, 2024, 11:13:50 AMThing that has me scratching my head is nationalist hip-hop.
I use to think that to, until I looked at the current state of the world. The video above about hip hop/social engineering is quite interesting and quite accurate. I think nationalistic hip hop is like a "Frankenstein" result from what happens when social engineering experiment becomes unhinged. It's like "the master plan" didn't account for something like this to happen and as society becomes more nihilistic that's when weird anamolies like this are born. It's almost like a logical conclusion in some bizarre way considering where we've been and where we are headed.
Quote from: burdizzo1 on February 10, 2024, 11:13:50 AMThing that has me scratching my head is nationalist hip-hop.
the few examples I've heard in the western word were between bad and ridiculous, especially when the gentlemen involved move like the American counterparts.
Seen some Eastern European stuff which was definitely more credible, also because done by true mobsters
Too bad is difficult to trace names etc.
https://kneecap.bandcamp.com/track/h-o-o-d
Yeah, Kneecap. Irish republicanism/ Northern Irish nationalism is very left-wing. Just as a counter to right-wing Ulster loyalism!