(http://www.hanamiweb.com/img/yamashi.jpg)
Original Japanese book 1977, Finnish version published by Otava 1983 under name "Hiroshiman Tuli - Eloonjääneiden piirroksia". (meaning: Fire of Hiroshima - Pictures by Survivors)
http://www.hanamiweb.com/gokaomita.html
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It is intense, but unlike all the perverse murder and savagery in general, it ain't amusing at all. Simply very bleak and very intense. The book is selected c. 100 drawings by ordinary people who experienced the bombing, with their own story of the devastating moment.
I guess there is a photo book of Dresden bombing called Brandstätten. Anyone seen that?
Curious historical events targeting most of all civilians? Also always remains interesting to view who are the parties involved in most lethal activities and who will apologize and who will not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Curious detail of Hiroshima bombing is that population of the city believed that due large number of buddhist in city was reason for Hiroshima not being bombed regularly unlike most Japanese cities, but it was later revealed that their city was saved only for scientific purposes: To be able to measure the devastating power of nuclear weapons.
There are many books about Dresden. Upon moving there I had bought one in the beginning. Probably one like this
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61zqjAN2EeL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
What makes murder and savagery more amusing than this?
Related and only made available in 2010 - first US military reports on Hiroshima bombing:
http://cryptome.org/2012/06/hiroshima-megadeath.pdf
That's the book I meant. Good?
Murder and savagery has often personal, somehow perverse angle. Or homicides, which in their spontaneous elements can be even like black humor.
Or political assasination, with accurately executed target with purpose. Which is basically combat situation at purest.
But, at some moment, sheer magnitude of mass genocide or utmost cold and calculated extermination can remove the possibility of easy cheap amusement. Monolithic dimensions of pure statistics. And we talk of situation what is not about people in position of at least theoretical revolt against oppressor, but the bomb from the sky like hand of god.
It doesn't mean it would not be interesting. This monolith can be worth worship or disgust.
Philip Best stated in 1998 that the test at Trinity on July 16 1945 was 'the day the world ended' and that our experience of time and space has been irrevocably altered and impaired since that day. For those of a certain age who lived through dangerous parts of the cold war (early 60s and early 80s especially) it's a difficult thing to explain to younger generations.
As a little kid, probably sometime 82-83 or such, I was in anti-nuclear weapons demonstration. Not that it was my choice or I would have understood much, but still remember it. Masses of people of the city entered to put small rafts covered with candles floating in Vuoksi, in dark evening.
Don't know if much of that is happening now in Finland. It seems that the "activism" is the work of "activists". Not what simply the common general public of small town would feel relevant to attend.
Back then nuclear threat was real. Not to mention living like 4km from Russian border.
I think the logic is one of interesting phenomenas. what is warcrime, what is justified punishment or reply to offenses of foreign nation. Who it should be targeted etc.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on July 01, 2012, 05:25:57 PM
That's the book I meant. Good?
I don't think I have this particular book, but something similar (at my parents house), also with many pictures of the destruction and eye witness reports, etc. Sounds like it was literally hell on earth, people suffocating on the streets, because fire consumed all the oxygen and no real possible body count since people just burnt to ash.
I'm sure there are some good books about Berlin '45 as well.
The German magazine Geo Epoche also had an episode about the WW I with some pretty good trench pictures in it.
The expressionless faces depict what these men went through
(http://www.geo.de/div/image/20102/inhalt_popup.jpg)
-end of derail-
England football chant song directed towards Germany: "THERE'S ONLY ONE BOMBER HARRIS" refers explicitly to Dresden bombing. Cruel, cold, brutish. Damn I hate sport.
I always thought it funny how England could make theses WW jokes and Germany had no humor whatsoever about it
Two World Wars and One World Cup.....
Perhaps there should be a joke topic, hah. For incorrect jokes only - as they remain the funniest.
I recall couple of years ago guy got sentence for having section of "hateful jokes" in his vast joke collection site. Someone was too offended.
Q: How do you fit 50 jews in volkswagen?
A: 2 in front, 3 in back, 45 in ashtray.
Making fun of mass genocide just opposed to what was mentioned before ;)
how high was the sentence?
Q: What's the difference between Santa Claus and a Jew?
A: Santa Claus goes down the chimney.
and for the sake of not just hitting on one minority
Q: What have women and condoms got in common?
A: If they're not on your dick they're in your wallet.
Q: What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
A: Nothing, you already told her twice.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 30, 2012, 06:14:09 PM
(http://www.hanamiweb.com/img/yamashi.jpg)
Original Japanese book 1977, Finnish version published by Otava 1983 under name "Hiroshiman Tuli - Eloonjääneiden piirroksia". (meaning: Fire of Hiroshima - Pictures by Survivors)
where did you find this? jostain antikvariaatista vai miten?
Ye, I found this from 2nd hand bookstore. It's old release, as said. Is stamped "for reviews" so originally given to someone as promo. I would suspect you find it 2nd hand pretty easy. Huuto.net should have right now 10 euro?
got the finnish version from wanhan waltterin antikvariaatti. I didnt have time to browse but looked like the kind of place that would have old eugenics books,medical stuff in stock.
EDIT_____ the texts accompanying the pictures are hotshit.
Hän oli kuollut heti atomipommin räjähdettyä ja makasi selällään tiellä. Hänen kätensä osoitti taivaalle ja sormet paloivat sinisellä liekillä. Ne olivat lyhentyneet kolmanneksen ja vääntyneet. Tummaa nestettä valui maahan käsivartta pitkin. Se käsi oli varmaan joskus hyväillyt lasta.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 30, 2012, 06:14:09 PM
Curious historical events targeting most of all civilians? Also always remains interesting to view who are the parties involved in most lethal activities and who will apologize and who will not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Curious detail of Hiroshima bombing is that population of the city believed that due large number of buddhist in city was reason for Hiroshima not being bombed regularly unlike most Japanese cities, but it was later revealed that their city was saved only for scientific purposes: To be able to measure the devastating power of nuclear weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Bomb_Casualty_CommissionThe first time I saw any of these drawings was in this documentary
WHITE LIGHT,BLACK RAINhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs-hJ7ovryI&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNtJ6XjHdeU&feature=relmfu
2 best book I read on this subject
NAGASAKI 1945http://www.amazon.com/Nagasaki-1945-Full-length-Eyewitness-Account/dp/0704333821
^Possibly the best book I have ever read.
Dawn over zero: The story of the atomic bombhttp://www.amazon.com/Dawn-over-zero-story-atomic/dp/B0007DP10E/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1341468999&sr=1-1&keywords=dawn+over+zero
^Read this entire text in one sitting while on LSD
This book
Rain Of Ruin:A Photographic History Of Hiroshima & Kagasaki is also incredible to see the photographs of the destruction.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Rain_of_Ruin.html?id=8y8E6DlbbusC
When I became informed on this topic my perspective on the world was drastically changed for the worse.
a large portion of the US military's nuclear testing was performed before they technically knew what radiation was
and for the development of more nuclear weapons, the radiation exposure at Bikini Atoll proved to be a blatant disregard for anything The ABCC could have learned and put into practice.
Quote from: kettu on July 04, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Hän oli kuollut heti atomipommin räjähdettyä ja makasi selällään tiellä. Hänen kätensä osoitti taivaalle ja sormet paloivat sinisellä liekillä. Ne olivat lyhentyneet kolmanneksen ja vääntyneet. Tummaa nestettä valui maahan käsivartta pitkin. Se käsi oli varmaan joskus hyväillyt lasta.
Maybe month ago or something, there was a radioprogram about exact these two things: Hiroshima and Dresden. It was some re-run of decades old program. Too bad I can't remember the name, but could be found in areena or something? Nevertheless, it was very laconic male voice reading perhaps 15 minutes of descriptions of nuclear explosion damages similar to this. Kind of emotionless list of all sorts of peeling off skin, charred remains in gutter, eyes hanging out of sockets etc. Going on and on and on... And being YLE1 / Puheradio, it's not like some youthful gore-fiends would be listening that station (?). In middle of day, such moment probably has awakened plenty of regular folks into "what the fuck?!" -reactions...
When the piece was airing, I thought all you need is some gloomy rugged drone on the back, and you'd have just about the darkest death industrial right there. Even better could be to use that piece as between-the-bands "music" in gigs.
I picked up some standard WWII-books the other day and one of them had a relatively big section of Hiroshima/nagasaki survivors drawings, some I had seen before, some were new or had faded from memory. Some of them are incrtedible and I've always felt more affected by these subjective nightmare visions than by the actual photos of survivors.
after sorting out my books this morning, I came across the book I had about Dresden
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61EVXBDP3PL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
with many pictures of the ruins, I don't know how it compares to other books on this theme, but I thought it was worth getting