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Quote from: Borellus on March 17, 2010, 09:03:10 PM
Golden Geissel - Die Herrin Und Ihr Sklave tape (Ultimately harsh and powerful guitar noise. Recommended!)
Which reminds me... Recommended guitar noise?
I'll say few things. When I first heard like
Jojo Hiroshige 1st solo album style, I could appreciate his utmost harshness of string abuse. It wouldn't be about effects. It wouldn't be about "heaviness". No drone. No heavy jams. No down tuned blurry junk. It would be plain no-bullshit guitar abuse. Mic'ed straight close-up from amp speaker in studio conditions, creating sharp and unsaturated sound. It would be just utmost anti-music / noise. Lacking the artistic developments or specialities. Good tracks with shouting vocals perhaps even better. It would be the "man & guitar" music of my taste! Even if I have no idea what he was saying in lyrics.
Then, even before that,
SOLMANIA, Psycledelic was the first contact with band, and even if album has weaknesses, it perhaps stands out better than some of Solmania's later works, where two guitarists line-up simply malforms the noise through too many effects into pretty regular harsh noise, where qualities of guitar itself is pretty minimal. They work more as visual effect (seen them once live).
Perhaps opposite happened to
DEISEL GUITARS, which dropped the full of noise and the 2nd member, and transformed into feedback drone as
Diesel Guitar. Duo was good, solo was even better. Not exactly noise anymore, but perfection in minimalist drone.
That leads to
KK NULL, which is probably discussed elsewhere. His best guitarworks in field of drone sounds stand the test of time among the best of genre.
TRANCE from USA didn't do much for me with his guitar works. Pretty ok, but most definately in shadow of legendary japanese. Jim O'Rouke? Can't even remember his solo works. Viper tape from macro side project, pretty bad. Haino? Well, some decent too. List could of course continue long beyond the obvious ones, but I'm wondering, that names thrown here, date back to 70's, 80's and 90's. When I think of the whole last decade, where is the STRONG guitar noise? I don't want to hear some indie fart. I mean, when I first heard for example Thurston Moore's CD on RRR's PURE CD's, I felt like being ripped off. Well, I could perhaps tolerate it now better than 15 years ago, but then it sounded like some of the modern day stoner jams sound to me. Someone plugs on guitar, has couple pedals or not. Hits recorder of lo-fi tape recorder and captures some improvisation with no beginning and no end. Just documenting some dull session rather than actually doing proper release. With sounds that are not interesting, which "anyone could do" (hah). Those bands listed above, are stuff that pretty much nobody can replicate. All they have, is the worlds most successful instrument on modern ages, and perhaps few effects, and still, from 6 strings and amp, those guys could pull out something of interest. So, guitars noisers of last decade that people felt that wasn't good because they were your friends, but because material was something that felt exceptionally well done.
I'd look for something perhaps closer to Golden Geissel tape. Extremely distorted and heavy sounds, what could be compared to Solmania, Mortal Vision and the above mentioned ones. Meaning: noise and feedback. If it's about lo-fi indie music leftovers, be clear about that in recommendation.
When I saw Solmania live I was surprised by just how massive their pedal set up was. It was hard to tell what effects where working and when. But I think that guitar noise like Solmania really does need to be experienced live, just to gain that physical aspect of the sound.
Thurston Moore did a pretty heavy guitar noise set with Carlos Giffoni at the Emeralds "What Happened". Way better than what I was expecting, very piercing at parts. Paired with Giffoni's synth work there was a nice balance of bass and the high end. I definitely prefer that caustic and thinner sound of guitar abuse than effect laden, pedal heavy guitar noise.
I know Thurston must have good works. I didn't dismiss his whole output, just used that one particular CD as reference of my dislikes of that type of sound. Seen him live.. hmm. twice? More action, less noise what makes sense. Warm up for Ramleh in NYC is pretty ok for stage action, yet sound not so memorable.
this guys cool: Otomo Yoshihide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DXwxKlE2I
not dancing on bunch of effectors either!well a little bit heh
does it seem that the gitbox is not nearly as trendy as someother sound sources. oh but I think this is for refering to bands and not for discussions of the noisgitar. but ill still say that this antimusic vibe that I get from older japanese stuff is definetly involved when thinking that these guys abuse the most standard instrument. I dont mind when some "riffing" surfaces but I believe its mostly abuse when guitar is used.
I know you're after "noise done w/ gtr" rather than free music with noisy guitar in it but I'd still like to mention Rudolph Grey (of Blue Humans) and Stephan Jaworzyn (of Ascension/Descension). I'm just listening through my Rudolph Grey discs and man... the guy is awesome! Even when he is playing with fairly jazz-oriented guys (Beaver Harris, Rashied Ali, Arthur Doyle etc.) he brings this incredible straightforward noise sound to the affair. The short cd (Incandescence) on Shock is very nice and doesn't have much of a jazz-vibe going for it.
All the Ascension/Descension discs I've heard have been at least good, some of them extremely so. Again, it's free music but not really any jazz to be heard here. Just straight-ahead pummeling, energy-music of the highest order. This applies especially to the duo stuff (Ascension) with drummer Tony Irving.
well, these are drone-ier recommendations, but some of my favorite guitar noise guys are:
Daniel Hintz: http://www.myspace.com/danielhintz Only one (one copy) 78rpm solo release, but was in Alien Ant Farm, Hungry Ghost, and is in Hydrogen Pellets and Nuclear Death Wish (which is a noise/metal hybrid).
William Fowler Collins: http://williamfowlercollins.com/ Black Metal and Blues influences show up - Bill also plays field recordings through his pickups in some pieces - great live performer. For the harshness, check out Mesa Ritual, his collab with Raven Chacon if you can track down the CD.
Kevin Gan Yuen:http://www.myspace.com/fermentae (first track on there is from a show I hosted in my garage) Bowed guitar, mostly. Definitely the "prettiest" sounds that I'm linking here, but moments of real power.
I've seen Li Jianhong two or three times live with guitar , solo and coupled with others . He had the improvisation/Keiji Haino feel but he reached moments of pure noise/rock and roll brutality . Not too many effects either , just a couple of distortions and a delay if i remember well .
Records don't really make him justice but they're still good .
Now it seems his style became more psychedelic , still well worth checking out .
And of course Masayuki Takayanagi is worth mentioning , very noisy and violent - "unfortunately" always in duo , trio or quartet with others ..
In Italy i remember just one guy from Napoli doing it , White Gauna , but i don't think he ever released anything ?
Quote from: tisbor on March 18, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
And of course Masayuki Takayanagi is worth mentioning , very noisy and violent - "unfortunately" always in duo , trio or quartet with others ..
Oh yes. I haven't heard much of his stuff but it has all been stellar. I think I finally need to fill up some of the blanks in my collection in this respect. What would be the two or three best ones to look out for?
top one for me is Mass Projection with Kaoru Abe , but quite probably that's what you heard too..
Quote from: tisbor on March 18, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
I've seen Li Jianhong two or three times live with guitar , solo and coupled with others .
How was the LP on Tipped Bowler Tapes? The San Sheng Shi album had a nice build to it, so it made me curious, yet cautious, about hearing other material.
Skullflower does not count here?
The Caspar Brötzmann/Page Hamilton "Zulutime" record is good. I haven't heard any of Brötzmann's other work, but the tones he gets out of the guitar on this one are pretty sick, so he's probably worth checking out in general.
(http://www.coldspring.co.uk/Covers2/csr28cd.jpg)
I believe the new Wold album is full on guitar Noise. Their older material is Black Metal / Noise but the latest release, "Working Together For Our Privacy" is in all aspects purely a Noise album and a very good one at that.
That Novatron uses also synths and all that, I think? Naturally, from DiFranco's projects Ethnic Acid, JFK, AX, they all are very good. But not really just "guitar noise". But guitar is one of instruments among the many.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 19, 2010, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: tisbor on March 18, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
I've seen Li Jianhong two or three times live with guitar , solo and coupled with others .
How was the LP on Tipped Bowler Tapes? The San Sheng Shi album had a nice build to it, so it made me curious, yet cautious, about hearing other material.
i don't have the lp but i can recommend all Li Jianhong cds on his own label 2pi Records.
the older ones are pretty different from San Sheng Shi , less psychedelic .
his band D!O!D!O!D!O!D! (guitar + drums duo) is great too , get their cd Ghost Temple on either PSF or 2pi .
latest Wold is nice , i should listen to it a couple more times .
I know this is an old thread, so I hope it is all right for me to resurrect it. The concept of guitar noise is something that I find really interesting. I have played the guitar for a long time, and have been wanting to explore some more experimental sides of the instrument.
I assume that feedback from a guitar into an amp would count, and that has been fun to mess with. I have also seen some people put various objects through the strings to pin them together, stretch them and so forth. I really like the sound of a pick put through the lower strings - tapping it sounds like a gong!
Are there any new noise projects that make good use of a guitar? Any suggestions for new things to try?
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 09, 2020, 02:17:13 AM
I know this is an old thread, so I hope it is all right for me to resurrect it. The concept of guitar noise is something that I find really interesting. I have played the guitar for a long time, and have been wanting to explore some more experimental sides of the instrument.
I assume that feedback from a guitar into an amp would count, and that has been fun to mess with. I have also seen some people put various objects through the strings to pin them together, stretch them and so forth. I really like the sound of a pick put through the lower strings - tapping it sounds like a gong!
Are there any new noise projects that make good use of a guitar? Any suggestions for new things to try?
Guitar noise isn't something I myself have looked into in any great lenght. I've listened to the Wolf Eyes a bit here and there, tho. If you get past the somewhat histrionic vocals, you'll be presented with an oeuvre that is at best hypnotic. But unfortunately also pretty ridiculous at its worst.
Quote from: Atrophist on June 09, 2020, 02:59:27 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 09, 2020, 02:17:13 AM
I know this is an old thread, so I hope it is all right for me to resurrect it. The concept of guitar noise is something that I find really interesting. I have played the guitar for a long time, and have been wanting to explore some more experimental sides of the instrument.
I assume that feedback from a guitar into an amp would count, and that has been fun to mess with. I have also seen some people put various objects through the strings to pin them together, stretch them and so forth. I really like the sound of a pick put through the lower strings - tapping it sounds like a gong!
Are there any new noise projects that make good use of a guitar? Any suggestions for new things to try?
Guitar noise isn't something I myself have looked into in any great lenght. I've listened to the Wolf Eyes a bit here and there, tho. If you get past the somewhat histrionic vocals, you'll be presented with an oeuvre that is at best hypnotic. But unfortunately also pretty ridiculous at its worst.
Thanks, I will check them out. Any particular release of their's that you would recommend starting with?
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 09, 2020, 02:17:13 AM
Are there any new noise projects that make good use of a guitar? Any suggestions for new things to try?
Borbetomagus and Hijokaidan instantly jump to mind. Not new of course. Definitely following along if there any responses.
The Topography of the Lungs is my top 10 free jazz/improv records and Derek Bailey's playing on it is out of this world. Not noise, but definitely amazing work!
The first Kevin Drumm is a great tabletop guitar record. The LP reissue is incredible and really sounds great. It also looks incredible! I know he dabbled in a lot of different approaches but that will always be my fav Drumm record.
Look I'm gonna make a shameless plug here - I just released a tape of noise all made with 6 string bass guitar, EQ and distortion effects. You can hear it here if you're at all interested.
https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/ (https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/)
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Thanks, I will check them out. Any particular release of their's that you would recommend starting with?
They have tons of cassette and cd-r releases which might not be easy to find. Full-lenght albums on Sub Pop like "Burned Mind" and "Human Animal" might be a good starting point, and there's plenty more to check out if you decide you're interested.
Btw, does this count?
https://youtu.be/mXpJyu-6i_w
Body/Head with Kim Gordon and Bill Nace are pretty great. I like their records, particularly the early stuff on Open Mouth & Feeding Tube but their Sub Pop records are pretty cool too. I saw them live last year and it was really amazing.
Also a fan of "4 Gentleman of the Guitar" with Keith Rowe and others:
https://www.discogs.com/4g-Cloud/release/525595 (https://www.discogs.com/4g-Cloud/release/525595)
Quote from: holy ghost on June 09, 2020, 03:19:17 AM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 09, 2020, 02:17:13 AM
Are there any new noise projects that make good use of a guitar? Any suggestions for new things to try?
Borbetomagus and Hijokaidan instantly jump to mind. Not new of course. Definitely following along if there any responses.
The Topography of the Lungs is my top 10 free jazz/improv records and Derek Bailey's playing on it is out of this world. Not noise, but definitely amazing work!
The first Kevin Drumm is a great tabletop guitar record. The LP reissue is incredible and really sounds great. It also looks incredible! I know he dabbled in a lot of different approaches but that will always be my fav Drumm record.
Look I'm gonna make a shameless plug here - I just released a tape of noise all made with 6 string bass guitar, EQ and distortion effects. You can hear it here if you're at all interested.
https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/ (https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/)
Cool! Some really nice tones on your release.
Macronympha and SJ.
Obstacle corpse is amazing harsh guitar https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qG37OBJk86o
How familiar with the 60s are you? And if not, do you have any interest? The Velvet Underground got real noisy and dissonant in their live performances. The Grateful Dead had a section of shows later referred to as Feedback, which eventually morphed into Drums>Space.
As did these two...
Unfinished Music No. 2: Life with the Lions Cambridge 1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtdDU1tdoFU
John Lennon & Yoko Ono
St. Francis Duo with Stephen O'Malley and Steve Noble has some really interesting experimental guitar work happening. Regardless of how you (might) feel about Sunn O))) he does some really great work with other people. There are three albums (and an incredible live set floating around the blogs) that are all great.
Another one in that realm is Bill Orcutt and Chris Corsano "The Raw & The Cooked" LP from 2013. I really liked that one, they did a follow up called Brace Up which I didn't like as much but maybe I need to revisit. That being said, it should go without saying that Harry Pussy might be something to consider if you haven't?
Not "guitar" per say but Okkyung Lee's album "Ghil" with her on cello is pretty frickin' badass.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on June 09, 2020, 05:34:09 AM
Quote from: holy ghost on June 09, 2020, 03:19:17 AM.
Look I'm gonna make a shameless plug here - I just released a tape of noise all made with 6 string bass guitar, EQ and distortion effects. You can hear it here if you're at all interested.
https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/ (https://perpetualcycle.bandcamp.com/)
Cool! Some really nice tones on your release.
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Masahiko Ohno / SOLMANIA my vote for king(s) of guitar noise with Jojo Hiroshige being the only other real choice.
Schakalens Bror
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 09, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Masahiko Ohno / SOLMANIA my vote for king(s) of guitar noise with Jojo Hiroshige being the only other real choice.
Was going to mention Solmania but best thought that should be left to SI's resident Solmaniac, above. Just waiting for Dear Leader to namecheck Diesel Gui- ooops!
Trying to remember who was supposed to have modified Hiroshige's guitar. Was it Ohno?
Quote from: Duncan on June 09, 2020, 06:32:34 PM
Schakalens Bror
Unsung local guitar hero. I am very very biased, of course, but I dare say not too many are doing what he does nowadays. Improvised live gutter guitar mayhem. There are some releases where he has experimented with tape sounds and some overdubbing/layering, but most of them are pure guitar noise. His live shows are always excellent and intense, which is hard to match on tape/record. It sometimes works very well though. The LP on Förlag För Fri Musik is great, and I'm also very fond of this tape which I released a couple of years ago:
https://schakalensbror.bandcamp.com/album/overdrive (https://schakalensbror.bandcamp.com/album/overdrive)
I am huge fan of Thurston Moore, Kristof Hahn (what he does with his lapsteel is incredible), Glenn Branca (I think he was not mentioned earlier) and Keiji Haino.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 10, 2020, 05:56:40 AM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 09, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Masahiko Ohno / SOLMANIA my vote for king(s) of guitar noise with Jojo Hiroshige being the only other real choice.
Was going to mention Solmania but best thought that should be left to SI's resident Solmaniac, above. Just waiting for Dear Leader to namecheck Diesel Gui- ooops!
Trying to remember who was supposed to have modified Hiroshige's guitar. Was it Ohno?
Resident Solmaniac, little old me? Why thank you! I don't think I'll have earned that until I've got their logo tattooed on my arm.
This is such a broad topic and I guess most of us missed the mark because Balor's original question asked for new guitar noise... Did he mean new artists or new to him?
Maybe the important question is what kind of guitar noise do you want? Rock & Roll informed, droning, harsh obfuscation to the point of the guitar being lost, or clearly skronky guitar licks? It looks like the last page and a half of posts covered all of those. SILVUM as per usual shows of his extensive knowledge of Japanese noise and psych.
I didn't include Haino/Fushitsusha in my answer because Haino and Fushitsusha stand alone in my book, and encompass so many things. Probably best to check the PSF thread and playlist thread for more thoughtful recommendations in that psych/avant realm.
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2336.0 (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2336.0)
As Mr. Peterson showed me last year, you can basically trace all noise rock to Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray". So I guess there's noise rock guitar and noise (using guitar)... or maybe that's an oversimplification?
As for "new" I guess I don't know shit. All my money and recording hunting time is stuck in OOP Japanese stuff right now.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 10, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 10, 2020, 05:56:40 AM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on June 09, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Masahiko Ohno / SOLMANIA my vote for king(s) of guitar noise with Jojo Hiroshige being the only other real choice.
Was going to mention Solmania but best thought that should be left to SI's resident Solmaniac, above. Just waiting for Dear Leader to namecheck Diesel Gui- ooops!
Trying to remember who was supposed to have modified Hiroshige's guitar. Was it Ohno?
Resident Solmaniac, little old me? Why thank you! I don't think I'll have earned that until I've got their logo tattooed on my arm.
This is such a broad topic and I guess most of us missed the mark because Balor's original question asked for new guitar noise... Did he mean new artists or new to him?
Maybe the important question is what kind of guitar noise do you want? Rock & Roll informed, droning, harsh obfuscation to the point of the guitar being lost, or clearly skronky guitar licks? It looks like the last page and a half of posts covered all of those. SILVUM as per usual shows of his extensive knowledge of Japanese noise and psych.
I didn't include Haino/Fushitsusha in my answer because Haino and Fushitsusha stand alone in my book, and encompass so many things. Probably best to check the PSF thread and playlist thread for more thoughtful recommendations in that psych/avant realm.
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2336.0 (http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=2336.0)
As Mr. Peterson showed me last year, you can basically trace all noise rock to Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray". So I guess there's noise rock guitar and noise (using guitar)... or maybe that's an oversimplification?
As for "new" I guess I don't know shit. All my money and recording hunting time is stuck in OOP Japanese stuff right now.
New to me, new in general - both are great. The posts above have given me a ton to look into!
Matthew Bower of Skullflower
HAARE / SAVAGE GOSPEL!!!
No AMM thread. Could be in the Free Jazz thread. Unfortunate and sad news. I was unaware he had Parkinson's.
Keith Rowe - Absence 2021
https://erstwhilerecords.bandcamp.com/album/absence
"November 2015 marked the end of the first year of living with Parkinson's. During that year the right hand tremor was becoming more and more uncontrollable, to the point I could not conceive of how in the future I could manage solo performances. During that year I had experimented with different anti-shaking set-ups, in attempts to work around the tremor caused by stress and anxiety of performing solos.
...
Retirement, or stepping away, is difficult and painful. It requires a
recognition of certain realities, that you are not important, that the
world does not care that you have stopped performing solos, actually the world does not notice that you have stopped, life outside your bubble continues, get used to it, you are not at the centre of anything. A part of the reality is to try not to leave a big mess for others to tidy up after you have left the departure lounge, retirement is an opportunity where you are able to discard all the junk you've accumulated.
I want to share with you a recording of that 33 mins solo from Bern before it too departs for the dustbin. An important moment in the solo is at 12:10 thru 12:21 where the Parkinson's tremor frequency (around 300bpm) can be heard, and it's around this moment I decide not to solo again."
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 12, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
No AMM thread. Could be in the Free Jazz thread. Unfortunate and sad news. I was unaware he had Parkinson's.
Keith Rowe - Absence 2021
https://erstwhilerecords.bandcamp.com/album/absence
"November 2015 marked the end of the first year of living with Parkinson's. During that year the right hand tremor was becoming more and more uncontrollable, to the point I could not conceive of how in the future I could manage solo performances. During that year I had experimented with different anti-shaking set-ups, in attempts to work around the tremor caused by stress and anxiety of performing solos.
...
Retirement, or stepping away, is difficult and painful. It requires a
recognition of certain realities, that you are not important, that the
world does not care that you have stopped performing solos, actually the world does not notice that you have stopped, life outside your bubble continues, get used to it, you are not at the centre of anything. A part of the reality is to try not to leave a big mess for others to tidy up after you have left the departure lounge, retirement is an opportunity where you are able to discard all the junk you've accumulated.
I want to share with you a recording of that 33 mins solo from Bern before it too departs for the dustbin. An important moment in the solo is at 12:10 thru 12:21 where the Parkinson's tremor frequency (around 300bpm) can be heard, and it's around this moment I decide not to solo again."
Going off the topic here, but I can't help mention I am a very big fan of his "Duos for Doris" recording with John Tilbury. A great pity about his illness - Life shows no mercy.
I wouldn't consider this album a guitar noise album per say, but Fitte by Golden Serenades has a lot of obvious guitar based sounds. It's excellent and recently reissued by Phage Tapes. Dense and sharp and cuts in all the right ways. Very very good noise and a great example of how to use a guitar to shred in a noise-based scenario. Do their other albums have the same focus on guitar sounds?
Need to dig through their back catalogue a bit, looks like it's difficult to find a US based copy of the Testicle Hazard split currently but if anyone is selling, let me know!
Quote from: Fistfuck Masonanie on December 24, 2021, 02:01:52 AM
I wouldn't consider this album a guitar noise album per say, but Fitte by Golden Serenades has a lot of obvious guitar based sounds. It's excellent and recently reissued by Phage Tapes. Dense and sharp and cuts in all the right ways. Very very good noise and a great example of how to use a guitar to shred in a noise-based scenario. Do their other albums have the same focus on guitar sounds?
I'm positive they involved guitars in pretty much all their recordings, but it's more in focus on a few of them.
The Swan cassette (Abisko, 2005) is a good example, if memory serves, as is the
Hammond Pops (+3b Records, 2009) disc. The latter obviously has the hammond organ as the main ingredient, but guitars play an important part on it as well. Amazing band, Golden Serenades. Every release is great.
Speaking of Norway, Lasse Marhaugs two sibling works,
The Great Silence (Troniks/Pacrec, 2007) and
The Quiet North (Second Layer, 2010), both rely alot on guitars. One album majestic, the other seriously harsh. Superb discs as well, but you all know that.
Marhaug has used guitar since he started out, so these are just two fine examples off the top of my head. There's alot of great, more or less pure, guitar noise scattered throughout his discography.