[RVR0074] Elizabeth Veldon - Hey Network Rail, I'm Not Your Fucking Bitch
HARSH NOISE/EXPERIMENTAL
FREE DOWNLOAD HERE (http://redvenicerecords.bandcamp.com/album/hey-network-rail-im-not-your-fucking-bitch)
(http://f0.bcbits.com/z/39/61/3961880972-1.jpg)
Sound-wise, a very acceptable series of feedback generated drones that put me into mind of Crawl Unit, particularly the first two tracks. The title track was a bit too minimal and dreary for a first listen but the manipulation of "Hey Miss Office Party" worked a lot better (and is probably the best piece of the album). There are, however, a few things wrong with this release.
I don't quite understand why two distinct pieces are cut into four, except to accommodate the track titles. Which is the main problem - the disconnect between the "subject matter" and the actual sound. I couldn't help but think that if these very same pieces where put out with a totally different name, it would make not the slightest bit of difference.
As for the image - it's a real symptom of feminism in the comfy countries to focus attention on unimportant minutiae. For example, while the nation of India is on the streets demanding an end to rape, no less, Veldon is venting her spleen at a series of ads that few outside of her country (and, no doubt, quite a few in it) would give a toss about.
I've heard Veldon's work before, although I can't remember which album, exactly, it was, but this is definitely an audio improvement. I like the sounds, but wish it didn't have to be decorated with something so facile.
Miss Veldons Reply:
"listen, mister, you don't get to decide what is a feminist issue and what isn't and the 'women in other countries get it worse than you' argument is wearing fvcking thin"
- Elizabeth Veldon
Harden up, I was just criticising your release. Bloody spineless sook.
you can't criticize what's feminist or so. didn't you know that?
A further response from Elizabeth
"no, you where not criticising my release you where using it to take a pot shot at feminism.
the city i live in had, only three years ago, an attempted rape every six minutes. what do you think makes people act like that? could it be the objectification of women so evident in the advertisement i was reacting against? do you think it could be people thinking they know what women need?
forgive me for not joining you directly in debate but frankly i've had enough rape threats recently for being a mouthy bitch doing noise and so many threats of violence for opening my mouth that i can't go to watch friends play live incase i'm hospitalised.
do you think, in your post-feminist western utopia, that it's not a feminist issue when female artists get death threats for speaking out about feminist issues?"
Quote from: redvenicerecords on January 10, 2013, 02:17:54 PM"no, you where not criticising my release you where using it to take a pot shot at feminism.
No, I was making a valid and rather obvious criticism of your bowlderised version thereof, within the context of criticising your release.
Quote from: redvenicerecords on January 10, 2013, 02:17:54 PMthe city i live in had, only three years ago, an attempted rape every six minutes. what do you think makes people act like that? could it be the objectification of women so evident in the advertisement i was reacting against? do you think it could be people thinking they know what women need?
No, it isn't. I think that rape is something that happens regardless of the advertising you where reacting against. I think that is so obvious it shouldn't need stating.
Quote from: redvenicerecords on January 10, 2013, 02:17:54 PMforgive me for not joining you directly in debate but frankly i've had enough rape threats recently for being a mouthy bitch doing noise and so many threats of violence for opening my mouth that i can't go to watch friends play live incase i'm hospitalised.
That makes no sense. Debating me has nothing to do with death or rape threats.
Quote from: redvenicerecords on January 10, 2013, 02:17:54 PMdo you think, in your post-feminist western utopia, that it's not a feminist issue when female artists get death threats for speaking out about feminist issues?"
I don't have any "post-feminist western utopia", that also makes no sense. And your question has no relevance to the release I was criticising. Criticism and threats are not the same thing.
Quote from: Levas on January 10, 2013, 12:01:56 PMyou can't criticize what's feminist or so. didn't you know that?
The ironic thing is, I'm for feminism. But I've seen this kind of thing before - people taking an ideology and making it so much a part of their own identity that any criticism of it becomes a criticism of them personally. I liked the actual sounds, had a problem with the imagery, but now, apparently, I'm threatening someone I've never met before and never likely to meet. Can't decide if it's amazing or just pathetic.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on January 11, 2013, 02:17:09 AM
No, I was making a valid and rather obvious criticism of your bowlderised version thereof, within the context of criticising your release.
No, it isn't. I think that rape is something that happens regardless of the advertising you where reacting against. I think that is so obvious it shouldn't need stating.
That makes no sense. Debating me has nothing to do with death or rape threats.
I don't have any "post-feminist western utopia", that also makes no sense. And your question has no relevance to the release I was criticising. Criticism and threats are not the same thing.
Quote from: Levas on January 10, 2013, 12:01:56 PMyou can't criticize what's feminist or so. didn't you know that?
The ironic thing is, I'm for feminism. But I've seen this kind of thing before - people taking an ideology and making it so much a part of their own identity that any criticism of it becomes a criticism of them personally. I liked the actual sounds, had a problem with the imagery, but now, apparently, I'm threatening someone I've never met before and never likely to meet. Can't decide if it's amazing or just pathetic.
ok to answer some of your points:
1. Being pro-feminist but against someone making a feminist statement is is an odd position to be in.
2. Pointing out that voicing feminist ideas leads to threats of violence and rape is not the same as say you as an individual have done this.
3. the criticism of my release (thank you for that btw, greatly appreciated) turned into a 'feminists are so fucking over sensitive' thing which was not about the release itself.
Sorry duck, but I think you're completely missing any point Andrew is offering here and it seems deliberate to the point of tedium.
Quote from: martialgodmask on January 12, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
Sorry duck, but I think you're completely missing any point Andrew is offering here and it seems deliberate to the point of tedium.
and the point was?
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 12, 2013, 12:43:06 AM
Quote from: martialgodmask on January 12, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
Sorry duck, but I think you're completely missing any point Andrew is offering here and it seems deliberate to the point of tedium.
and the point was?
Precisely.
Quote from: martialgodmask on January 12, 2013, 12:53:22 AM
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 12, 2013, 12:43:06 AM
Quote from: martialgodmask on January 12, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
Sorry duck, but I think you're completely missing any point Andrew is offering here and it seems deliberate to the point of tedium.
and the point was?
Precisely.
here's the point (to paraphrase):
'the release is ok but what about all that feminist shit eh! humourless dyke probibly'
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM1. Being pro-feminist but against someone making a feminist statement is is an odd position to be in.
Not if you understand that one doesn't have to accept everything stated in the name of feminism. Where I to do that, I would be, for example, both
for and
against transsexuals. We both know what wide churches these -isms are; feminists are at logger-heads over the pornography issue, for another example. One should be discerning when looking at any ideology.
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM2. Pointing out that voicing feminist ideas leads to threats of violence and rape is not the same as say you as an individual have done this.
You where making the connection that my criticisms would lead to violence against you.
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM3. the criticism of my release (thank you for that btw, greatly appreciated) turned into a 'feminists are so fucking over sensitive' thing which was not about the release itself.
I made the point about your particular version of feminism which was related to your release. This is interesting - either the imagery is an important part of the release or it's not. If so, it's worth noting, if not, why include it?
In fact, if you re-read what I wrote, I make the point that I was confused as to why the sounds where related to the imagery at all. This is, of course, a long-standing quandary in Noise and I usually resolve it by just ignoring the imagery. But you where particularly explicit with your imagery, so it required notice.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on January 12, 2013, 01:00:40 AM
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM1. Being pro-feminist but against someone making a feminist statement is is an odd position to be in.
Not if you understand that one doesn't have to accept everything stated in the name of feminism. Where I to do that, I would be, for example, both for and against transsexuals. We both know what wide churches these -isms are; feminists are at logger-heads over the pornography issue, for another example. One should be discerning when looking at any ideology.
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM2. Pointing out that voicing feminist ideas leads to threats of violence and rape is not the same as say you as an individual have done this.
You where making the connection that my criticisms would lead to violence against you.
Quote from: elizabeth Veldon on January 11, 2013, 09:16:49 PM3. the criticism of my release (thank you for that btw, greatly appreciated) turned into a 'feminists are so fucking over sensitive' thing which was not about the release itself.
I made the point about your particular version of feminism which was related to your release. This is interesting - either the imagery is an important part of the release or it's not. If so, it's worth noting, if not, why include it?
In fact, if you re-read what I wrote, I make the point that I was confused as to why the sounds where related to the imagery at all. This is, of course, a long-standing quandary in Noise and I usually resolve it by just ignoring the imagery. But you where particularly explicit with your imagery, so it required notice.
feminism is indeed a broad church but i don't know of any who think the objectification of women is a good thing.
I never said you had threatened me but that threats where the norm.
Quote from: theotherjohn on January 12, 2013, 01:51:34 PMPerhaps I'm making vast assumptions here or completely missing the point, but I'm guessing you probably don't fall under the demographic the adverts are being critical about in the first place - maybe drunk materialist women should be criticized rather than Network Rail who are merely responding to a (large?) concern over the holiday season? If an aspect of human society offends you, simply don't associate yourself with them - regardless of whether they share the same gender as you.
Will look forward to hearing more releases from you in the future though - wasn't aware of your work before this thread.
EDIT: I wonder whether they'll be a MRA noise response to this poster...
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/display-media/6494/4 (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/display-media/6494/4)
haha, perhaps so :-)
keeping a watch out for harsher stuff by me is easy, red venice have offerd to handle most of it.
my other stuff is mostly here: http://elizabethveldon.bandcamp.com/
and on my label here: http://blackcirclerecords.bandcamp.com/
Quote from: theotherjohn on January 12, 2013, 01:51:34 PMEDIT: I wonder whether they'll be a MRA noise response to this poster...
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/display-media/6494/4 (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/display-media/6494/4)
that's simply brilliant.
good old mras...
Anyway, be careful with those shopping bags and mind the gap.
Quote from: tisbor on January 12, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Anyway, be careful with those shopping bags and mind the gap.
i'm always careful with my shopping bags and after watching death line i ALWAYS mind the gap