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Title: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on January 24, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
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I am not a follower of the genre, but I have been following the making of this book and it is definitely turning interesting. Neither propaganda nor spoof.
Unfortunately in Italian only. The book is written by the guys behind the ur-folk magazine Occidental congres.

http://www.tsunamiedizioni.it/

check also he limited edition

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Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Goat93 on January 25, 2013, 12:29:19 AM
Not sure if its that i'm not a teenager anymore, but the Phrases are somekind of dead boring. NSBM one of the fearest musical genres? Fuck, most people doesn#t even know that something like this exists. And i don#t think i need another Book about it.  Its not like a Fantasy Roman or so. Funnily NSBM where a Genre the People went to avoid Commercial Desasters...and now its even for every little girl Like Black Metal itself.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Where does it say NSBM is one of fearest musical genres?

Doesn't it say that "towards end of 90's black metal - by then one of the most feared...". And that could be seen as fact. How many music genres create media hysteria for example? In the 90's, at least in Finland, there was quite steady news reports of satanism as well as all sorts of educators writing books or talking of dangers of BM and satanic underground etc. Reports of arsons, murders, all sorts of things.  Only other music style I can think of, would be "gangsta rap", but that being so distant issue overseas, it would be hardly relevant here.
How much "fear" would music genre create - possibly very little, but out of all genres there are, some are probably causing more fear or simply repulsion.

Nowadays, it's hard to say what other music genres get so often banned from live gigs or face such opposition? As much as I understand people would say NSBM is such a joke and nobody takes it seriously and nobody knows or cares, it STILL today remains as thing that makes into newspapers, gets activists alert and even bring opposing forces in streets once in a while. It doesn't happen because someone thinks "oh, this is so funny and cute, lets try to sabotage the planned live show". There is - if not fear - then genuine worry for certain aspects.


There are couple academic black metal studies going on in Finland. One is just about to get into moment of debate and if accepted, it will create of more guy with "doctor of philosophy" -position. Swedish language work, 200 pages, translated the name is something like WARRIORS AND TRANSEXUALS. It's studies gender roles and such among Finnish black metal, based on study of heteronormative things, via various queer theories. Pretty amazing conclusions. There is free PDF in swedish if someone is interested... haha..

Another is "NSBM" study, already been work for many years. Not sure when it's supposed to be ready.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: HongKongGoolagong on January 25, 2013, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Nowadays, it's hard to say what other music genres get so often banned from live gigs or face such opposition?

Grime is a genre which has made politicians speak out and police ban events in the UK. Whole culture of it fed into our 2011 riots. If I had to choose between merits of music, would prefer the NSBM if listening at home alone, grime if on a night out...
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Goat93 on January 25, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
QuoteWhere does it say NSBM is one of fearest musical genres?
I read it in the whole Sentence, if you cut only the First Part, it makes no Sense of course.


QuoteHow many music genres create media hysteria for example?

In the 90ties or generelly?

In the 90ties where Heavy Metal (specially Death Metal), Punk, Skin/RAC, Techno, Rap/HipHop, Reggae,Hardcore, Alternative/Grunge in bad Reputation thanks to some nice Media Visions. They tried this at nearly all Youth Culture Scenes. Oh, i forgot Gothic of course. In the 2000er they used Neofolk for example, too. After that it went on with NSBM in specially. Most Reputation got the whole Time Left Music (for example Punk) and Right Music (RAC and later NSBM, since they share same NS Letters) and some HipHop/Rap Stuff (in France this was really a thing. Some Flame Wars in Germany got also much more Interest than any BM/NSBM Story.)

QuoteIt doesn't happen because someone thinks "oh, this is so funny and cute, lets try to sabotage the planned live show". There is - if not fear - then genuine worry for certain aspects.

I fear thats not the Point (In Germany). Its too easy to Boycott/Cancel Shows and the Politics get too much Attention for that. Its just a Playtoy for the People. The Canceld Allerseelen Gig some Years ago where used from a Local Politican for Reputation. So far i know where Christa Jenal the last really enthusiastic Boycott Maniac in Metal Scene. Today you can cancel a Gig with some E-Mails, so i think for People it IS funny to do so.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on January 25, 2013, 12:06:51 PM
Hyperbole is stock in trade for any music genre. Black Metal prefers the pretentious, serious, stiff-upper-nostril kind of hype - big whoop. It makes tedious reading. Personally I prefer the pure black fire of Black Metal to the pretentious genital rubbing of its descriptions.

Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 08:49:16 AMThere are couple academic black metal studies going on in Finland. One is just about to get into moment of debate and if accepted, it will create of more guy with "doctor of philosophy" -position. Swedish language work, 200 pages, translated the name is something like WARRIORS AND TRANSEXUALS. It's studies gender roles and such among Finnish black metal, based on study of heteronormative things, via various queer theories. Pretty amazing conclusions. There is free PDF in swedish if someone is interested... haha..

Oh for fuck's sake...! Want to have a career with absolutely zero integrity? Become an academic!
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Goat93 on January 25, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
QuoteWhere does it say NSBM is one of fearest musical genres?
I read it in the whole Sentence, if you cut only the First Part, it makes no Sense of course.

If you read the sentence, "feared" refers to black metal BEFORE NSBM. Later sentence talks about what later became of this already feared genre.

Of course every youth culture faces opposition of some sort, but certainly it is different kind of fear to shock parents that are shocked by spandex guys singing of putting log into fireplace, or be alarmed by drugged rave dancers or grunge rockers etc. Than genre which theoretically presented threat to common citizen in ways of arsons or such.

Grime certainly appears to be good to point out, but from Finnish perspective, that is again something very distant and in our country not relevant culture at all... Of course the same thing applies for BM in many other countries.  In our country, metal is THE popular culture. Even black metal is widely known cultural phenomena, not just barely existing underground subculture.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tisbor on January 25, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
I was planning to get the book but maybe I want this instead:

QuoteWARRIORS AND TRANSEXUALS. It's studies gender roles and such among Finnish black metal, based on study of heteronormative things, via various queer theories.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: ARKHE on January 25, 2013, 06:13:49 PM
Interested in that PDF in Swedish, do you have any author name or original title Mikko?


Writings about the Black Metal phenomenon is about as tedious as it can become, especially this wave of "black metal theory" espoused by US scholars & that Liturgy guy. But an insightful study of the actual ideology/-ies of the NSBM "scene" would be interesting, since there's a lot of writing coming from that corner (at least all the stuff Vikernes' writes, would be worth a study in itself). What are they actually saying, what do they support etc, from Hitler worship to Spear of Longinus' yoga of NS... Seems most who write on BM enjoys it themselves enough to become apologetic - "oh but Burzum isn't really about aryan mysticism & European supremacy at all, just listen to the music" etc, bracketing out NSBM. Not that I find it that central to black metal culture myself though...
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Goat93 on January 26, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Goat93 on January 25, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
QuoteWhere does it say NSBM is one of fearest musical genres?
I read it in the whole Sentence, if you cut only the First Part, it makes no Sense of course.

If you read the sentence, "feared" refers to black metal BEFORE NSBM. Later sentence talks about what later became of this already feared genre.

Of course every youth culture faces opposition of some sort, but certainly it is different kind of fear to shock parents that are shocked by spandex guys singing of putting log into fireplace, or be alarmed by drugged rave dancers or grunge rockers etc. Than genre which theoretically presented threat to common citizen in ways of arsons or such.

Grime certainly appears to be good to point out, but from Finnish perspective, that is again something very distant and in our country not relevant culture at all... Of course the same thing applies for BM in many other countries.  In our country, metal is THE popular culture. Even black metal is widely known cultural phenomena, not just barely existing underground subculture.

Is your Point just only from Finland?

BM where in the 90ties already Chartmusic with massive Sellings (1997 where already Chartentries from Bands) and such you called Feared? Seems, that i have just a total Different Understanding of a feared Culture.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Ritual on January 26, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
In 1997 a lot of things were different than in the early 90s, when BM started to grow. It was stupid, how upset some people were about it, yet had no clue what it was. There were very serious television debates and "documentaries" here in Sweden dealing with this "threat".
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Goat93 on January 26, 2013, 12:19:07 PM
Metal where Debatted all the Time and mostly there where no Difference between Metal, Death Metal or Black Metal at all. This starts with the Reporting after the Murder in 1993. In the 80ties there where Media Spots about Evil Satanic Metal Shit with Slayer or Venom. Even National Socialism Shit with Bathory, Slayer ect started really early so i see not the Point, why Black Metal would be feared at all, since other Bands takes much more Responsible or Attention than this. Even in School we have had some Music/Social Debattes about Metal, Rap, Punk and mostly Skinheadmusic since in Germany most ridicoulus is Right Winged Stuff. But i see a Difference between talking about a Noie Werte Song Lyric and a Burzum for example. In other Countries the Reaction where also more to the Music Genres which where Popular at that Time. Rap where fucking Big (and there where a lot of Show Cancels, Demos or whatever cause of Antifeminism, Anti Gay, Anti Humanity ect Lyrics and Spots of this Music). Surely there where Debates and Media Infos and some sort of this Shit, but thats not really what i called "feared" or even one of the most "feared" Genres. For example they put Black Metal in Middle 2000 in some TV Shows and Series as Theme, Skinhead Stuff where already in the Beginning of the 90ties in TV as Movies or TV Sets who want to "Inform" the People about "Dangerous" Codes. We have had fucking laught about some TV Series where they tried to show the Secret Meaning of 88/14 Word ect to the People...idiotic at the best but that was Beginning of the 90ties, not now. Otherwise the Movie about the Gay Murder in Sweden in the 90ties went under, nobody cared about it at all. Most people doesn't even know it exists, after all it was shown in normal TV Program several times.

Hey, they made already a bigger deal about Eminem, Marylin Manson or even this Hirntot records Guys who went into Jail some Years ago as about der Stürmer oder Wolfnacht.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on January 26, 2013, 11:17:33 PM
regarding the "feared". NSBM is feared in Russia, Greece, ecc. and some places like that because some people who plays in thes bands have actually been involved in criminal/violent activities, unlike average BM fans.
it is not a BIG business as older BM was, but it created a sub-genre that has its follow up, codes, etc.
It is not an underground scene that will change the world, but for how despisable it might be, it is living a life on its own. Gigs gather some hundreds of people even when completely clandestine. Antifas band their drums to stop gigs and stress the media, ecc.

The two writers focused for over two years on trying to gather first hand source materiale, going through both the most well-known projects and the most borderline stuff (even from Malesya!!!) uncovering contraddiction and trying to describe the background and the evolution of something that may be uninteresting to the most but still has some interesting features.

I am not defending their work since they do not need my help and the book, from what I could see, is turning out as it was supposed to be, setting the right parts in their place, unlike the horrible articles/books published by the likes of Searchlight and Wmtn, where often non-nazi stuff has been convered with "militant" stuff.

An example of cultural honesty that is rare these days.

Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 27, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
Quote from: Goat93 on January 26, 2013, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 25, 2013, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Goat93 on January 25, 2013, 10:30:19 AM
QuoteWhere does it say NSBM is one of fearest musical genres?
I read it in the whole Sentence, if you cut only the First Part, it makes no Sense of course.

If you read the sentence, "feared" refers to black metal BEFORE NSBM. Later sentence talks about what later became of this already feared genre.

Of course every youth culture faces opposition of some sort, but certainly it is different kind of fear to shock parents that are shocked by spandex guys singing of putting log into fireplace, or be alarmed by drugged rave dancers or grunge rockers etc. Than genre which theoretically presented threat to common citizen in ways of arsons or such.

Grime certainly appears to be good to point out, but from Finnish perspective, that is again something very distant and in our country not relevant culture at all... Of course the same thing applies for BM in many other countries.  In our country, metal is THE popular culture. Even black metal is widely known cultural phenomena, not just barely existing underground subculture.

Is your Point just only from Finland?

BM where in the 90ties already Chartmusic with massive Sellings (1997 where already Chartentries from Bands) and such you called Feared? Seems, that i have just a total Different Understanding of a feared Culture.

I can't speak much for what is cultural climate in, lets say Peru. What would be their "feared music genre". I live in Finland and therefore I can easily see the "satanic"/"bm" hysteria what was in 90's. I don't think anyone gave fuck about Bathory or Slayer more even to extent of WASP or KISS. Popularity and media attention was what resulted the hysteria, not their underground status.

As you said before, why fear something you don't even know because it is so small.  So this logically leads, that certain amount of popularity and publicity is needed, until something can create fear. Scenario doesn't mean that there can't be little girls excited about the music and bands appearing in media on popular culture - that might be exactly what is needed, before phenomena can be said "feared".  One needed BM murders and arsons appear on newspapers and TV and bands to sell tens of thousands, before it was seen as real threat.

Is it feared or is it threat, is pretty much useless for me. Most of black metal happens for very different reasons than whether media or "outsiders" are shocked or in fear.



Svenska pojkar kan läsä här!

Krigaren och transvestiten : gestaltningar av mörker och maskuliniteter i finländsk black metal

https://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/87571

"Mönstren analyseras med hjälp av teorier om hegemonisk maskulinitet, heteronormativitet, genusperformativitet, subversivitet och protestmaskulinitet. Queerteori och (kritisk) mansforskning som har sina ursprung i feministisk forskning utgör avhandlingens teoretiska underlag."

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Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: ARKHE on January 27, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 27, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
Krigaren och transvestiten : gestaltningar av mörker och maskuliniteter i finländsk black metal

https://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/87571

"Mönstren analyseras med hjälp av teorier om hegemonisk maskulinitet, heteronormativitet, genusperformativitet, subversivitet och protestmaskulinitet. Queerteori och (kritisk) mansforskning som har sina ursprung i feministisk forskning utgör avhandlingens teoretiska underlag."

HAHAHAH!!!!


Well now you know what the goat represents in your own lyrics then...
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Strömkarlen on January 28, 2013, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 27, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
protestmaskulinitet

Translate that would be "protest masculinity". What does it mean? It doesn't making ANY sense whatsoever. Arkhe you a have degree in university-genus-bending-language can you explain what it means? That said the title, The Warrior and the transvestite, is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on January 28, 2013, 08:25:40 PM
a tendency attributed especially to the human female in the psychology of Alfred Adler to escape from the female role by assuming a masculine role and by dominating others; broadly : any tendency to compensate for feelings of inferiority or inadequacy by exaggerated overt aggressive behavior

Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: ARKHE on January 29, 2013, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: Strömkarlen on January 28, 2013, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 27, 2013, 11:46:47 AM
protestmaskulinitet

Translate that would be "protest masculinity". What does it mean? It doesn't making ANY sense whatsoever. Arkhe you a have degree in university-genus-bending-language can you explain what it means? That said the title, The Warrior and the transvestite, is pretty good though.

Yeah I left all that far behind me when I graduated last year... these days I hardly even remember who Foucault was... is...
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Nil By Mouth on February 11, 2013, 12:15:21 PM
A small preview of the book

http://www.tsunamiedizioni.com/--00-PDF/CLTLP.pdf

Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on February 11, 2013, 12:43:09 PM
just reading most names of the musicians involved made me crack
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tisbor on February 12, 2013, 01:20:24 AM
Apparently the Pope resigned from his position on the same day that this book is officially out.
I guess it's a good omen.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on February 12, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
It was also Varg's bday
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Ishikawa Kanji on February 12, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
i would like to read this book. since i cannot speak italian this will not happen soon. maybe we see a english edition at some point.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on February 13, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
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Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on March 07, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
(http://www.occidentalcongress.com/images/news/CLTLP.jpg)
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 07, 2013, 06:40:10 PM
It's really good looking book. I mean entire lay-out. Even for those who don't understand Italian language, amount of rare photos, demo covers, gig flyers, newspaper clippings etc is very entertaining.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on February 12, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43317934/strizzo_sukkia/10616625_921614177863364_6221448025539257899_n.jpg)

The English version will be released by Tsunami in April, featuring introduction by Michael Moynihan (blood axis - lord of chaos)

Publishing house will be the same Italian publishing house who did the Italian version

Tsunami www.tsunamiedizioni.com/



Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Nil By Mouth on March 25, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
Maybe the first review of the english version http://www.cvltnation.com/the-coming-translation-of-as-wolves-among-sheep-a-history-of-national-socialist-black-metal/
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Andrew McIntosh on March 25, 2015, 11:56:40 AM
QuoteAt least it reads better than Lords of Chaos.

That wouldn't be hard. "Lords Of Chaos" was always an over-egged pudding.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Stridulum on March 25, 2015, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Nil By Mouth on March 25, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
Maybe the first review of the english version http://www.cvltnation.com/the-coming-translation-of-as-wolves-among-sheep-a-history-of-national-socialist-black-metal/

Please let me point out that this "review" was based on reading a mere 40-pages chapter out of a book that's 570 pages long.
Biased much?
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on March 26, 2015, 08:07:10 AM
Amusing comment section is always good too. Looking forward the English version.

Don't know in what length my comments has been used in book, but what I know, there wasn't many people interviewed. This puts me into curious position, even if my role was more of "external observer" while mr. Möbus offered more of "internal observer" view? Of course in this size book, interviews are only minor detail. I think interview was made already back in 2012. Time goes fast.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Nil By Mouth on September 07, 2015, 01:09:20 PM
here the book trailer for the english edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZH3aFwXVV0

"Towards the end of the nineties, black metal – by then one of the most feared musical genres ever, that had already made a name for itself thanks to a bloody streak of homicides and various acts of arson and violence – merged its sonic belligerence with National Socialist beliefs and the ideology of white power groups, breeding a new counterculture that's incendiary and ferocious like no other. A formula of intransigent extremism like never before in contemporary music, a world where this mixture of aural excess and loyalty to the "mythos of the blood" gave birth to hundreds of new bands and gathered thousands of disciples from all over the globe: Russia, United States, Germany, France, Poland, Australia, Italy, Scandinavia and even South America.
From the defining fathers of the genre (Absurd, Graveland, Der Stürmer, Spear of Longinus) to its more unknown and dangerous representatives, Wolves Among Sheep delves deep into this black abyss to bring forth the history and development of NSBM – National Socialist Black Metal, an underground phenomenon that transcended music to become a doctrine in its own right, a nefarious call to arms for those dissident youths who declared war to society as we know it."

576 pages - English language - out September 2015

Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/WolvesAmongSheepBook?fref=ts

TWO EDITIONS AVAILABLE: a standard one and a strictly limited one with commemorative patch. Check via email for availability.

Order info:
wolves_info[at]tsunamiedizioni.it
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: BlackCavendish on September 26, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quick update to say that the book is finally ready...

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Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: algiz on September 30, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
Shouldn't there soon be a German version available also?
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: BlackCavendish on October 05, 2015, 01:32:34 AM
Quote from: algiz on September 30, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
Shouldn't there soon be a German version available also?

A german version is in the making, but no info about any possible release date.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on October 07, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
My assumption would be that German version would be with less intense graphics?
Book is highly impressive. Just started to read it. Now that I read my own contributions, some years later it seems perhaps language and repetition could have been less intense, hah..
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on October 07, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
getting my copy of the limited version hopefully next week
I wonder how much was it updated since the Italian version.

the few interviews present are quite interesting indeed I must admit, at least the most in depth ones.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Stridulum on October 08, 2015, 10:35:37 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 07, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
My assumption would be that German version would be with less intense graphics?

Most probably it will. In Italy we can almost get away with murder when it comes to stuff like this, but Germany is a totally different story.


Quote from: tiny_tove on October 07, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
getting my copy of the limited version hopefully next week
I wonder how much was it updated since the Italian version.

the few interviews present are quite interesting indeed I must admit, at least the most in depth ones.

The English edition has a few updates, some little things have been added or updated, plus there's a brand new foreword by Michael Moynihan.

Anyway, in my own personal opinion, while undoubtedly interesting, the full-length interviews are not the most essential part of the book. The real 'juice', so to speak, is in the actual chapters, in the bulk of the book itself. The interviews are a big plus, an interesting addition, but the core lies somewhere else.


(Mikko, if you can, could you update the title of this thread to "WOLVES AMONG SHEEP - book on NSBM"? Thank you)

Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Leewar on October 09, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Cant say im impressed by it, a bit like Lords of Chaos part 2 with even worse bands. Maybe interesting to an outsider of NSBM.

Misspelling band names is however pretty inexcusable when writing a book on them.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Stridulum on October 10, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Leewar on October 09, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Maybe interesting to an outsider of NSBM.

Which is exactly the intended audience for the book.
An expert/insider of the NSBM scene probably wouldn't need a book like this, if not for having a thorough history of the phenomenon in one single place, with a good layout to boot. But how many experts and/or insiders of the scene are actually out there?
What many don't seem to consider about books, is that they're mainly addressed to people who don't know things, and want to learn more about them.


Quote from: Leewar on October 09, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Misspelling band names is however pretty inexcusable when writing a book on them.

And you're right about that, but you have to keep things in perspective. Capricornus is misspelled Capricorn in two instances out of the dozens he's mentioned in the whole book, so it's safe to say it's a simple typo, an honest mistake. Like anyone who has ever worked with books can tell you, things like that can happen (especially when translators come into play)... and we're still talking about a nearly 600 pages book, so LOTS of words to check! Some may slip by accident.

It's far more serious when the same things happen in the tracklist of a compilation, or in the spine of a CD. Once again: it's a nearly 600 pages book!!

Anyway, the mistakes are there and there's no hiding this fact, just apologize for the inconvenience. The "funny" thing is that in the original Italian edition there are no such mistakes.
Title: Re: Come lupi tra le pecore - Italian book on NSBM
Post by: ANDROPHILIA on October 11, 2015, 01:28:58 AM
Quote from: Stridulum on October 10, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Leewar on October 09, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Maybe interesting to an outsider of NSBM.

Which is exactly the intended audience for the book.
An expert/insider of the NSBM scene probably wouldn't need a book like this, if not for having a thorough history of the phenomenon in one single place, with a good layout to boot. But how many experts and/or insiders of the scene are actually out there?
What many don't seem to consider about books, is that they're mainly addressed to people who don't know things, and want to learn more about them.


i confirm this analysis. I'm not an insider and I never had special interest in this aspect of black metal. But a book like this gave me the opportunity to analyze this scene with curiosity.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on November 07, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
One of the two authors lives in my same town.
He recently left me some copies for sale. If anybody needs a copy, feel free to contact me!
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Stridulum on November 09, 2015, 12:23:07 AM
In the meantime, both editions of the book are still available from the publisher.
Those who wish to purchase a copy should write to wolves_info[at]tsunamiedizioni.it

STANDARD EDITION: 16x23cm, 576 pages, offset printing, comes in high quality softcover binding with flaps. English language.
The following prices are for ONE COPY and already include registered shipping depending on destination:
Europe and Mediterranean Basin - 38 Euro
Americas, Asia, Africa - 43 Euro
Oceania - 50 Euro


SPECIAL EDITION: 16x23cm, 576 pages, offset printing, comes in high quality softcover binding with flaps. English language. Different cover than the standard edition, metallic bronze foilblocking on black. Limited handnumbered edition of 299 copies, all including a woven patch to commemorate the release.
The following prices are for ONE COPY and already include registered shipping depending on destination:
Europe and Mediterranean Basin - 46 Euro
Americas, Asia, Africa - 52 Euro
Oceania - 60 Euro
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Zodiac on November 19, 2015, 05:04:01 PM
Looking forward to have it in the mail. Bought it straight from Tzunami (the english version to slip the censorship of german version) and waiting right now to get it. Will speak my troughts about it after i did read it. Looks great and promising anyway.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Zodiac on November 21, 2015, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 19, 2015, 05:04:01 PM
Looking forward to have it in the mail. Bought it straight from Tzunami (the english version to slip the censorship of german version) and waiting right now to get it. Will speak my troughts about it after i did read it. Looks great and promising anyway.

Book was in my mailbox today. Will start to read during the night shift today. First look is promising. A bit like the "Lords of Chaos" of NSBM, isn´t it ?
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Sturmfieber on November 23, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
Is anyone in the US carrying this?
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Vega360 on November 25, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
Quote from: Sturmfieber on November 23, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
Is anyone in the US carrying this?

Ajna and Behold Barbarity have copies.

(http://www.wintersolaceproductions.com/galimg/lol.JPG)

Apparently according to these people I'm some kind of Corpsepainted Neo Nazi Power Ranger. -_-
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Zodiac on November 25, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
Quote from: Vega360 on November 25, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
Apparently according to these people I'm some kind of Corpsepainted Neo Nazi Power Ranger. -_-

You are not ?? :D
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Vega360 on November 26, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 25, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
Quote from: Vega360 on November 25, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
Apparently according to these people I'm some kind of Corpsepainted Neo Nazi Power Ranger. -_-

You are not ?? :D

Sometimes things are never what they seem.

I'm more for this

http://youtu.be/AGr97SCvxp4

then this

http://youtu.be/wah8Qx7vTIE
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Zodiac on November 26, 2015, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: Vega360 on November 26, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 25, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
Quote from: Vega360 on November 25, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
Apparently according to these people I'm some kind of Corpsepainted Neo Nazi Power Ranger. -_-

You are not ?? :D

Sometimes things are never what they seem.

I'm more for this

http://youtu.be/AGr97SCvxp4

then this

http://youtu.be/wah8Qx7vTIE

I was not THAT serious about my question BUT the WAR song is great. You picked the best one from the whole album.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Urban Noise on January 08, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
Half way on the book. Enjoying it so far and I think it is a good work.
Don't agree with some of the comments regarding the seriousness or lack of it from some bands based on the aesthetics used, but hey, to each his own.
Funny to see references and quotes to some works I've published on a project I've made part of.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Vanitas on June 11, 2022, 11:46:27 PM
Is this book still available in europe somewhere? Just found a couple of ebay seller from the US who would sell this book..
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: FreakAnimalFinland on June 15, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
Sarvi has one 2nd hand copy at the moment
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: Vanitas on June 24, 2022, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 15, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
Sarvi has one 2nd hand copy at the moment

Great! I've sent you an message.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: SterileGarden on August 02, 2023, 04:22:59 AM
Great book. Introduced me to some great bands. GBK is phenomenal.  Bilskinir has a great sense of majesty. 
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: ecdysis on November 22, 2023, 05:14:08 PM
Been looking for a copy of this book for sale, I could only find a copy on ebay for like 50 dollars or something. Does anyone know where I could find a copy? Or does anyone have a copy for sale?
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: BlackCavendish on November 22, 2023, 06:05:55 PM
As far as I know the book is still available from the publisher BUT I know they have some logistics problem at the moment.
Besides, the english version was 35€ + shipping if I remember right, so I guess 50€ would be the price even if you get it from Tsunami itself, more or less.
Title: Re: Wolves among sheep - English version of Italian book on NSBM
Post by: tiny_tove on November 23, 2023, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: BlackCavendish on November 22, 2023, 06:05:55 PMAs far as I know the book is still available from the publisher BUT I know they have some logistics problem at the moment.
Besides, the english version was 35€ + shipping if I remember right, so I guess 50€ would be the price even if you get it from Tsunami itself, more or less.

considering it's as big as a dictionary and Italian rates are currently insane is normal.