Listening to the releases of the wonderful "30 Years Of Excess" six-tape box made me think about the use of drum machines and other rhythmic devices in Noise and Industrial. Although it's a standing joke that a few of the "innovators" basically sold out and went disco, Le Syndicat are the proof that use of drum machines doesn't make you a necessary candidate for wimping out and watering down your sound (the more recent album "Propagation" demonstrates that the group has it's integrity in Noise, and also something else - that it's possible to make excellent Noise using computers. But that's another debate).
But another thing it got me interesting in, was wondering about the use of rhythm in Noise. Like a few of us, I'm often suspicious of it, but should I be? While repetitive elements can be frequently used in Power Electronics, there's more a tendency away from anything rhythmic. That's fine with me, but now I wonder if there are any other projects that, like Le Syndicat, can make rhythm an important part of their work. The Grey Wolves come to mind, for one.
I'm not just asking for lists of names. I'm also interested in reading other peoples' thoughts on this.
I very much welcome rhythm and noise together. It adds an element of pop appeal (if that's possible) to noise that essentially takes the harsher sound and in hammers it into your head in a way it wouldn't normally. Also, sometimes its just another way of channelling energy into the music.
I think one area where rhythmic noise can be particularly compelling is when it is used in combination with hip-hop (which seems to be a bit of a trend as of late). While it does often compromise the harshness of the sound, I can't say I'm not excited by the idea of taking noise out of the context of, well, noise. Take these for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35SMUy4o0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5RVbch7rEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe6hHnHUQVk
I definitely wouldn't call them noise artists in the purest sense, but I think it is a very creative way of presenting normally more inaccessible sounds into something designed to be more widely relatable.
When it comes down to it though, I just like a good beat.
I'm not usually a fan of it, but that likely has more to do with how difficult it is to be successful and not contrived. One of the finer hybrids was Winterkalte. I first heard them on the Progressive 10", and it floored me. After them, and in such a discussion, I quickly become confused between whatever it is and industrial. Decree (Wake of Devastation), Cazzodio, SAT Stoicizmo, very early Imminent Starvation, Dissecting Table...and then I feel like I'm just having thoughts of solid, throttling industrial music.
I'm a big fan of beat-oriented music, but in noise I often enjoy it in a different manner if we're not talking hybridized forms. Loops and repetition are wide-spread in noise and electro-acoustic music, and that just seems to take the place of the beat ... instead of an incessant kick drum, you instead have an endlessly looping 6 second snippet, for example. The effect is mostly the same. That's been applicable since the early pioneers like the before mentioned Le Syndicat, Grey Wolves and Vivenza and on to more contemporary artists like Aaron Dilloway.
When done right it can be extremely hypnotic, and can similarly add a kind of urgency and propulsion that is often lacking in beatless noise compositions. I'm thinking of the aforementioned Winterkälte and SAT Stoicizmo, along with Institut's "A Great Day to Get Even."
I've received similar feelings from some Dissecting Table releases but at times the beats used seem to function more as something of a jarring arpeggiated noise, and as such don't have that propulsive effect. Not always the case, however.
I think Winterkälte sometimes does it right, but he also has some material that completely falls on the wrong side of the line. Generally minimal and a-rythmic beats tend to work, but adding distortion to bombastic stadium-techno 4/4 kickdrums and actionfilm-soundtrack-breakbeat patterns always just sounds tacky as shit. To me a lot of more "clean" classic techno, rave and harder house/acid is both more harsh, if that's what you're looking for, and more sonically interesting, "experimental" and such than most of the "rhythmic noise" I've heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENw8vRTj310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Zj00MbeeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinaEePEkTc
etc etc
esplendor geometrico...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 31, 2013, 10:13:11 AM
I'm not usually a fan of it, but that likely has more to do with how difficult it is to be successful and not contrived. One of the finer hybrids was Winterkalte. I first heard them on the Progressive 10", and it floored me. After them, and in such a discussion, I quickly become confused between whatever it is and industrial. Decree (Wake of Devastation), Cazzodio, SAT Stoicizmo, very early Imminent Starvation, Dissecting Table...and then I feel like I'm just having thoughts of solid, throttling industrial music.
Yes, Cazzodio, SAT Stoicizmo and Dissecting Table use great beats in some tracks.
Also, some Control Resistance tracks contain beats in the vein of Godflesh.
I forgot Alberich and Prurient.
im not sure if haus arafna count, but they make good use of rhythmic devices within a power electronics frame
I'm a big fan of rhythmic stuff, whether that means implied rhythm via loops or recurring samples or motifs, or straight-up beats. In various varieties of noise/industrial or otherwise. My username here is tribute to an incredible Hanatarash track incorporating drums:
http://youtu.be/KCoWcv5Xj7Q
When I was a teenager in the 80s first exploring a lot of this stuff without easy guideposts or much disposable income RRR was one label I always knew to look for - as a result blind buys of the Hanatarash 3 album and Bruitiste comp (Vivenza/Esplendor Geometrico sides especially) had long and enduring effects on my listening habits.
My own work draws as much from HULA, 23 Skidoo and Microphonies/Arm of the Lord/Drinking Gasoline/etc. era Cabaret Voltaire (Sheffield sound, "machine funk," whatever) as much as any straight-up gritty noise/industrial. I still like a lot of music from (or similar to) the heyday of the Wax Trax/"industrial dance" era and occasional noise/rhythm gems show up in that stuff too, like this Meat Beat Manifesto track:
http://youtu.be/hj8js0tHTr0
I recognize its relative mild nature when considered as a noise track, but personally find the dance beat/feedback shard combo irresistible.
Another heavily rhythmic project I always liked (and that has been a big influence on my sound projects) was SMERSH:
http://youtu.be/H3M6exmh18w
http://youtu.be/Rbqkr2wssr4
http://youtu.be/pOPODBPB3B0
Utter nonsense, but I could listen to it all day long, and the b-movie/monsterkid references and vibe resonate with my obsessions and interests a lot more than politics or sexuality, frankly.
I suppose at some point a lot of this crosses over to what is now called "minimal synth" or something, but that sort of hairsplitting rear-view-mirror taxonomy doesn't much appeal to me. To a dumb kid growing up in Backassward, Florida this was all industrial, or noise, or industrial noise, when I could be bothered to try and describe it to anyone in the first place.
Quote from: dubduboverlord on May 31, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
Utter nonsense, but I could listen to it all day long, and the b-movie/monsterkid references and vibe resonate with my obsessions and interests a lot more than politics or sexuality, frankly.
one of the reasons I dropped most of the political angle of Arseterror. the latest tracks are more trash cinema and horror movie inspired.
STROM.ec and Diutesc make good use of rhythm within a noise/industrial context.
This is a track I wrote while heavily inspired by Haus Arafna
http://m.soundcloud.com/zombie-militia/arseterror-humanity-is-the
Quote from: KMusselman on June 02, 2013, 06:28:13 AM
QuoteThis is a track I wrote while heavily inspired by Haus Arafna
http://m.soundcloud.com/zombie-militia/arseterror-humanity-is-the
wtf? when I click on the link, I get this:
Oops! SoundCloud doesn't fully support your browser yet.
I'm on a Mac, OS X Version 10.8.3, and my browser is Firefox 21.0 I couldn't be more up to date!?
try using Safari
Quote from: KMusselman on June 02, 2013, 06:28:13 AM
QuoteThis is a track I wrote while heavily inspired by Haus Arafna
http://m.soundcloud.com/zombie-militia/arseterror-humanity-is-the
wtf? when I click on the link, I get this:
Oops! SoundCloud doesn't fully support your browser yet.
I'm on a Mac, OS X Version 10.8.3, and my browser is Firefox 21.0 I couldn't be more up to date!?
Do you have NoScript or AdBlock? They don't get along well with Soundcloud, bandcamp, etc. You have to go into the add-ons and directly make them an exception. It doesn't always work if you just make an exception on the page or disable on the page.
see if this link works better
https://soundcloud.com/zombie-militia/arseterror-humanity-is-the
Quote from: KMusselman on June 02, 2013, 11:53:01 PM
Quotesee if this link works better
worked perfectly. if i recall correctly, i believe the link I tried last evening was for a mobile browser or something. anyway, about the track, full on! don't you hate when you are trying to be quiet and you make a loud noise?! my wife is coming off a twelve hour night shift and is laying down. i didn't realize i had the volume turned up on the computer when the track started. it was VERY loud.
I get in trouble with the guy downstairs, he's an old man and his staffing gets mad with me if my bass frequences loom too large. not to give too much away, but I live in kind of a halfway house/group home facility with individual apartments. it gets stiffling with the staff when 95% of them are hoodrats who don't seem to understand or give a fuck about my weird taste in music. I'm the only one here with internet access, it comes out of my paycheck.
back to topic sort of
Jeff Mills - Waveform Transmission Vol 1
Detroit Techno actually, but one of the hardest and unrelenting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ3gPWYxc8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ3gPWYxc8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwavzhPoms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwavzhPoms)
And then there is ANT ZEN stuff, I think my fav out of that is Monokrom, which a noiser side project of Synapscape, though I can't remember much else. They do have a bandcamp now : http://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/ (http://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/)
I think the original idea of Blackhouse was to play like whitehouse but with a drum machine, some of their tracks should be considered classics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_mkUgmd1Ho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_mkUgmd1Ho)
That second Mills tracks is great. Wasn't aware of him, so thanks.
Contagious Orgasm & Government Alpha:
http://youtu.be/mWcuokFvcAI
I remember people on Troniks shitting all over this album but you'll get no complaints from me.
Now that I'm onto Alberich, I'm revisiting the 90s in-between. Anyone care to hit the best of Hands, Hymnen, and Ant-Zen? I think I'm aware of most of the better early stuff, but if I missed anything, I'd like to know.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 15, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Now that I'm onto Alberich, I'm revisiting the 90s in-between. Anyone care to hit the best of Hands, Hymnen, and Ant-Zen? I think I'm aware of most of the better early stuff, but if I missed anything, I'd like to know.
some personal favorites
IMMINENT / IMMINENT STARVATION
SYNAPSCAPE
ASCHE
ISZOLOSCOPE
NKVD (not the black metal band, this one: https://www.discogs.com/NKVD-Prolog/release/26492)
5F_55
MONO NO AWARE
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 15, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Now that I'm onto Alberich, I'm revisiting the 90s in-between. Anyone care to hit the best of Hands, Hymnen, and Ant-Zen? I think I'm aware of most of the better early stuff, but if I missed anything, I'd like to know.
Time has certainly sorted out the ones I revisit vs those collecting dust.
Form the harsher side:
Iszoloscope
Morgenstern
Asche
Converter
Hymen sub label was a lot calmer but I frequently listen to:
Lusine Icl
L'Ombre
Starfish Pool
This is a useful thread, would have started my Alberich conversation here if I'd known!
Yep, thanks for the thread bump.
I come from a techno background and have been drawn towards the noise world so I will check out a load of the artists mentioned here.
Have been experimenting with techno locked grooves and looping samples from vinyl as a source sound for some noise I am working on. Hopefully have something to share too, am hoping it will make an interesting live project as I can't recall seeing (m)any noise artists using turntables.
andy vomit and Kayandah, could you throw some specific titles at me? thanks. some names there I've never seen.
Re: Ant Zen, Converter's Shock Front and Blast Furnace albums are very good. Like Morgenstern's Two Different Faces a lot. All the Asche and Vromb stuff is good but kinda splits the difference between chilly beatless ambient and rhythm-based material and I tend to favor the rhythmic stuff more.
Few years ago I started investigating this subgenre by going on Discogs and looking to see what comps Synapscape, Converter et al have appeared on and then branching out with other labels / groups from there. Couple places to start that helped me out a lot:
Daruma (Ant Zen)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Daruma/master/1616
Duo.Tone (Sub.Session)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-DuoTone/release/190235
A.L.P.H.A. (Gesko Records)
https://www.discogs.com/Various-ALPHA/release/474384
Other potentially interesting groups:
Blastercorps (heavy Esplendor Geometrico vibes)
https://youtu.be/UA6Ql4MNLFE
https://youtu.be/cq_EJaWG-gw
Some of the early Xotox stuff is great, but there are deadly minefields in the catalog depending on your tolerance for EBM / Wax Trax style shenanigans:
https://youtu.be/VUNUsuU6tgQ
Telerotor:
https://youtu.be/6h1nqQ4qbs4
Early Hypnoskull is good. Evolved into kind of a limp take on ATR / digital hardcore sadly:
https://youtu.be/Pq-kjp1dCDU
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 16, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
andy vomit and Kayandah, could you throw some specific titles at me? thanks. some names there I've never seen.
this is what i'd recommend from each artist, personally:
IMMINENT STARVATION "Nord" https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/nord
SYNAPSCAPE "So What" https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/so-what
ASCHE "Distorted Disco" https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/distorted-disco
ISZOLOSCOPE "Au Seuil Du Néant" https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/au-seuil-du-n-ant
NKVD "Prolog" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9QO8otZ4M
5f_55 "I" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1nkT-8S5E
MONO NO AWARE "Kika No Sekai" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU8vFC72ams
these are solid too:
LE MODERNISTE "Desistere Mortem Timere" https://lemoderniste.bandcamp.com/album/desistere-mortem-timere
CONVERTER "Blast Furnace" https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/blast-furnace
my experiences in the squat/underground techno scene of the 1990's reminds me of many, many
records that involve beats (180 plus bpm with many sounds not out of place on a merzbow/macronympha release.
other releases had samples of violent films that any noise fan would love.
could be prompted to list stuff
Andy Vomit, thanks for reminding me about Ant Zen. Just bagged the latest Hypnoskull album and this is exactly the sort of noisy techno industrial stuff I am after.
Quote from: Soloman Tump on November 17, 2017, 12:15:45 AM
Andy Vomit, thanks for reminding me about Ant Zen. Just bagged the latest Hypnoskull album and this is exactly the sort of noisy techno industrial stuff I am after.
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beast album
Vromb - Jeux De Terre was another significant release when it came out. I don't believe I've heard anything from the new millennia. I only know the Asche/Morgenstern Ant-Zen split and the Asche - Non-Apocalypse album. That split has always been underrated. I thought there was another one from one of those two. I remember it having a plain white cover, but I don't see anything like that at Discogs. Anyone remember something similar?
Thanks for the lists.
On the harsher side, eisengrau (and later Muernau) which had a bunch of records on Hands side label 220n, is my favourite of the "power noise" era. Early 2000s Orphx was also very good (esp the tracks in the 2000 hands compilation).
shit, i totally forgot about GJOLL ... some of it borders on PE.
https://ant-zen.bandcamp.com/album/not-to-lead-nor-to-follow
favorite albums of that era for me:
imminent starvation / imminent - anything. saw him live once and he played an hour of no known released tracks, except for Tentack (as an encore, of course, collab w. iszoloscope actually) and they were all incredible. felt like a noisier aphex twin.
synapscape - so what - definitely they're best moment to me. the monokrom project was great too, even noisier.
winterkalte - drum 'n noise - pretty much says it all.
sonar - dislocation 10" / overdose simulation 2x-cd - a less complex and more blunt winterkalte perhaps...
still pissed i sold my eisengrau lp boxsets, if i remember correct a lot of harsh feedback with those beats. dkf / thorax lp on ant-zen is pretty rough noise and comes to mind similar to that stuff.
the Hymen sub-label of ant-zen released a lot of really great records, some on the noise side, but really more IDM i guess.. starts blurring the line here.
regarding Morgenstern, i have to say i like 'Zyklen' best. more emotional than other works, imo.
regarding vromb: jeux de terre, definitely his best. really a quite unique sound. really glad it was re-released on 2x-lp, and really cheap.
regarding hypnoskull: i like the first cd on ant-zen, but i think really more interesting to dig into is the earliest stuff on all those old tape labels.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 16, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
my experiences in the squat/underground techno scene of the 1990's reminds me of many, many
records that involve beats (180 plus bpm with many sounds not out of place on a merzbow/macronympha release.
other releases had samples of violent films that any noise fan would love.
could be prompted to list stuff
This is a prompt- thanks.
There is little that tops Sulphuric Saliva - Noisetracks, although Sonar and Imminent Starvation are also very good.
Quote from: ANDROPHILIA on November 17, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
Morgenstern - Cold
beast album
Just had a quick listen through on bandcamp, sounds heavy indeed. My wishlist keeps on growing.
Also Patrick Stevens' (Hypnoskull) solo side project after he left Sonar -- Sona Eact(R). Debut CD's title says it all: HARD INDUSTRIAL LOOP CHECK
Quote from: cantle on November 17, 2017, 08:21:11 AM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 16, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
my experiences in the squat/underground techno scene of the 1990's reminds me of many, many
records that involve beats (180 plus bpm with many sounds not out of place on a merzbow/macronympha release.
other releases had samples of violent films that any noise fan would love.
could be prompted to list stuff
This is a prompt- thanks.
labels include praxis from uk, drop bass network in usa as well as industrial strength.
europe gabe explore toi, fischkopf, spiral tribe and many, many more.
even australia had bloody fist.
Thanks- will look them up.
Quote from: tilde44 on November 17, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
Also Patrick Stevens' (Hypnoskull) solo side project after he left Sonar -- Sona Eact(R). Debut CD's title says it all: HARD INDUSTRIAL LOOP CHECK
There's something about the HILC album that brings me to Muslimgauze. I don't consider Jones' work to be an immediate reference point when I listen to this type of music, either. I don't associate the two at all, though I can see how someone could. But something is shared that I'm hearing.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 18, 2017, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: cantle on November 17, 2017, 08:21:11 AM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 16, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
my experiences in the squat/underground techno scene of the 1990's reminds me of many, many
records that involve beats (180 plus bpm with many sounds not out of place on a merzbow/macronympha release.
other releases had samples of violent films that any noise fan would love.
could be prompted to list stuff
This is a prompt- thanks.
labels include praxis from uk, drop bass network in usa as well as industrial strength.
europe gabe explore toi, fischkopf, spiral tribe and many, many more.
even australia had bloody fist.
Will second Bloody Fist. Nasenbluten is really insane\great shit
How many of these projects being mentioned aren't just distorted versions of EDM or hip hop or other conventional beat orientated genres? I'm being cynical but when I first asked about this I had in mind more experimental and less conventional examples of rhythm in/with noise. Seeing Bloody Fist mentioned, for example, doesn't inspire confidence.
Some of that Ant-Zen material is good, though.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 16, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
andy vomit and Kayandah, could you throw some specific titles at me? thanks. some names there I've never seen.
Others have pretty much answered,
Asche - Distorted disco
Morgenstern - Cold
Izsoloscope - Au Seuil Du Neant
I didn't mentioned them before as they aren't noise per se but this Morn Omina are a favorite, more tribal electronic though the debut came out on Live Bait. The Drake Equation ep is quite noisy by their standards
One Ant-Zen obscurity is Nin Kuji - Sayanora. Not sure if this was an actual project or anonymous side project but the album is worth tracking down
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 20, 2017, 03:03:28 AM
How many of these projects being mentioned aren't just distorted versions of EDM or hip hop or other conventional beat orientated genres? I'm being cynical but when I first asked about this I had in mind more experimental and less conventional examples of rhythm in/with noise. Seeing Bloody Fist mentioned, for example, doesn't inspire confidence.
Some of that Ant-Zen material is good, though.
going back to your initial post on thread, i see more in common with the '30 years of excess ' box from some of the dance hardcore mentioned than the beat driven 'industrial'
the aggression of what i listened to, equalled other genres-probably stimulant driven by producers and consumers.
several events dropped in whitehouse and merzbow into the mix. how good releases were is not necessarily the same asasking if they were distortion led examples of conventional genres or noise wedded to 'conventional' idioms, or both.
Also will mention for stuff that is really noisy atonal-techno check out Iesope Drift in particular, although most of the E-Com \ Seico Corp material is good.
And it hasn't been mentioned so far (I don't think) but early Panasonic \ Mika Vaino is a good example of minimal experimental beat driven music. Particularly the Osasto EP
Severance (pre-Winterkalte) reminds me of Clock DVA, and I'm a big Clock DVA fan. *not related to the style of this thread, but for anyone interested in Winterkalte.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 21, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 20, 2017, 03:03:28 AM
How many of these projects being mentioned aren't just distorted versions of EDM or hip hop or other conventional beat orientated genres? I'm being cynical but when I first asked about this I had in mind more experimental and less conventional examples of rhythm in/with noise. Seeing Bloody Fist mentioned, for example, doesn't inspire confidence.
Some of that Ant-Zen material is good, though.
going back to your initial post on thread, i see more in common with the '30 years of excess ' box from some of the dance hardcore mentioned than the beat driven 'industrial'
the aggression of what i listened to, equalled other genres-probably stimulant driven by producers and consumers.
several events dropped in whitehouse and merzbow into the mix. how good releases were is not necessarily the same asasking if they were distortion led examples of conventional genres or noise wedded to 'conventional' idioms, or both.
Maybe, but I'm still interested in the use of rhythm in less disco mode and more anything else. Off the top of my head it's easy to cite early Test Department, Einstürze Neubauten, the more grave and strident beats of Cold Meat Industry projects, and so on and so on. But all that less conventional stuff seems to have been lost in Boogie Wonderland now. It seems the done thing is to adopt beats from more dance oriented genres than invent different ones. Disco has had its revenge.
Quote from: collapsedhole on November 17, 2017, 05:59:51 AM
regarding Morgenstern, i have to say i like 'Zyklen' best. more emotional than other works, imo.
This is a great album, which should really be of no surprise that they had this in them. Other than associations, I feel it is out of place in such a thread. Out of bounds, comparatively. If you're into death industrial or dark ambient, but not into most of the other stuff mentioned in this thread, you should probably check out Zyklen.
i dont think its cynical, andrew. this has always been such a sticking point for so many projects i think i'd like from the outset but once i get to the actual listening the 'beat' aspect does all the work in a way that takes me completely out of it. when it gets into the marching/martial/foot/body aspect of a rhythm i just feel like taking a nap. i think pulses and almost ghostly metered sounds are right in the sweet spot. i think of it as having a pulse or a quiet heart beat versus clapping your hands and stomping your feet around. it's cool when the noise is moving but not signalling where its going and where its going to end up..
I don't make a point of seeking out much rhythm/beat-orientated material but within the Industrial/etc sphere I suppose I expect something more than just copying whatever's hip at the time. Even working with meters that are not necessarily 4/4. But it seems that regressing to the means in this case means just relying on the more usual examples of trad. electronic dance music. It's a depressing cliche that many Industrialists end up posing in the clerb.
It's also probably a bit too much me demanding more "experimentation", though. Industrial doesn't necessarily have to be constantly different and unique.
I also like the sound and idea of "pulses and ghostly metered sounds", they can work really well. It's down to the composition, then.
Is everyone forgetting about Merzbeat? (by none other than Merzbow!!) somewhat quiet and even a little melodic in parts but pretty unique sounding (reminds me of Sha Mo 3000) listenable to none the less (if you want to go in the opposite direction to Nasenbluten).
I'm of mind that Converter's Blast Furnace would normally be outside my realm of interest, but it's really good. To those who recommended it, thanks.
Was listening to Theologian double cd on malignant and had forgotten how beat driven it is, not in a bad way but prominent enough
Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 18, 2017, 01:35:02 AM
I'm of mind that Converter's Blast Furnace would normally be outside my realm of interest, but it's really good. To those who recommended it, thanks.
It's funny
Blast Furnace was my intro to Converter back in '06. I love that album and all of the stuff it got me into down the line, but of Converter's discography it's become my least favorite. Now it's got awesome hit tracks (Flower, Resolution, Unreal) but I like the largely slow moving nature of
Shock Front more and the more organic sound of
Exit Ritual more. But it is all good! Ant-Zen has a lot of baggage attached to it but there are amazing release on the label. As a lover of IDM and some very specific breakcore, I also love the Hymen sublabel. The Xanopticon and Gridlock releases on it easily justify its existence alone.
And as for Morgenstern I really recommend the slick sounds of
Two Different Faces from 2005 and most of the tracks on the 3 way collab with Converter and Asche (In Hell, Monster, and Another Monster suck).
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 24, 2017, 07:07:51 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 18, 2017, 01:35:02 AM
I'm of mind that Converter's Blast Furnace would normally be outside my realm of interest, but it's really good. To those who recommended it, thanks.
It's funny Blast Furnace was my intro to Converter back in '06. I love that album and all of the stuff it got me into down the line, but of Converter's discography it's become my least favorite. Now it's got awesome hit tracks (Flower, Resolution, Unreal) but I like the largely slow moving nature of Shock Front more and the more organic sound of Exit Ritual more. But it is all good!
Shock Front proved to be a solid listen. A great feel for the flow of a full-length, ala early Dissecting Table. Thanks again.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 24, 2017, 07:07:51 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 18, 2017, 01:35:02 AM
I'm of mind that Converter's Blast Furnace would normally be outside my realm of interest, but it's really good. To those who recommended it, thanks.
It's funny Blast Furnace was my intro to Converter back in '06. I love that album and all of the stuff it got me into down the line, but of Converter's discography it's become my least favorite. Now it's got awesome hit tracks (Flower, Resolution, Unreal) but I like the largely slow moving nature of Shock Front more and the more organic sound of Exit Ritual more.
I checked out Exit Ritual by your recommendation and it's very good. I really like that a lot of the beats aren't basic drum machine sounds necessarily.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 24, 2017, 07:07:51 AM
The Xanopticon and Gridlock releases on it easily justify its existence alone.
100%.
xanopticon was (is?) a fucking monster live, too.
Quote from: Decrepitude on January 17, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 24, 2017, 07:07:51 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 18, 2017, 01:35:02 AM
I'm of mind that Converter's Blast Furnace would normally be outside my realm of interest, but it's really good. To those who recommended it, thanks.
It's funny Blast Furnace was my intro to Converter back in '06. I love that album and all of the stuff it got me into down the line, but of Converter's discography it's become my least favorite. Now it's got awesome hit tracks (Flower, Resolution, Unreal) but I like the largely slow moving nature of Shock Front more and the more organic sound of Exit Ritual more.
I checked out Exit Ritual by your recommendation and it's very good. I really like that a lot of the beats aren't basic drum machine sounds necessarily.
Yeah it's really something different. I absolutely love that album. I named my radio show in college "Exit Ritual" in honor of it. How I miss the days of having a huge mixing board to mix the sounds of Jarl, Converter and Genocide Organ together with a dash of techno or glitch...
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Quote from: ConcreteMascara on December 24, 2017, 07:07:51 AM
The Xanopticon and Gridlock releases on it easily justify its existence alone.
100%.
xanopticon was (is?) a fucking monster live, too.
He still plays as far as I know, just not much on the east coast. I think he's based in San Francisco now. I saw him at a SuperCollider event in Philly a couple of years ago and it was fucking incredible. an hour plus of ever building electronics. even better then when Autechre played live for the "Exai" tour around the same time.
Gabber taken to extremes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl7aA-lnVPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug91IpaZtFY
Really feels as though it fits here
I have been listening to a lot of Alberich, who releases through Hospital Productions.
His take on noise heavily relies on rhythm and repetition, with heavily distorted / clipped "beats" thrown into the mix.
A new album is due this year - "Quantized Angel"
Quote from: Zeno Marx on November 15, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Now that I'm onto Alberich, I'm revisiting the 90s in-between. Anyone care to hit the best of Hands, Hymnen, and Ant-Zen? I think I'm aware of most of the better early stuff, but if I missed anything, I'd like to know.
I consider ORPHX the best act to have released on Hands, the earlier material would appeal more as the later works became increasing stylish and for want of a better word, deeper (as in skirting the edges of, or actually techno).
I think this is precisely what the OP did not ask for but might be of interest to some-
Submechanical - Class A Circuitry
https://thirdtypetapes.bandcamp.com/album/ttt19-submechanical-class-a-circuitry
From one of the chaps behind the short-lived Cloaks, and not far removed-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_qSczhfeQ
More on the "dance" side of the spectrum, I suppose. Submechanical, though keeps the beats to a slow, industrial-strength, pounding, sludge-crawl. Other projects on the label, Third Type Tapes, are in the general vicinity of angular, fragmented, distortion-heavy beats. There are even offerings from Le Syndicat and KK Null, though these I'm less keen on.
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Grind Master Flesh
https://thirdtypetapes.bandcamp.com/track/concrete-floor
I've always enjoyed this album from Decree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZOA_ZoNlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrwOVnldXN4
And of course this album from Holocaust Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKAWVprmDQs
Iszoloscope - The Edge of Certainty 2010 - again, I'm truly impressed with Iszoloscope; such a smart sense for music, sequencing tracks etc - the ambient and industrial material is as good as anyone's dedicated to either particular style, causing me to think Iszoloscope has an exceptional ear {like Converter, though I think Converter reaches their potential (for my preferences anyway) more consistently} - as for the other stuff that normally isn't my bag, they do it so well that I enjoy it as well - not a GREAT album, but there is definitely a lot of great stuff on it - seems like it is worth checking into their entire catalogue.
Quote from: monotome on November 17, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
There is little that tops Sulphuric Saliva - Noisetracks, although Sonar and Imminent Starvation are also very good.
Nostalgia Nostalgia, how do we sometimes colour our past. Been listening to Noisetracks yesterday, and it it does not hold up to what I thought it was. It's not bad, and some nice melodies; but is we are talking about mass, dynamics and volume of sound, it's mediocre at best. Especially the main beat that is driving tracks is lacking and it never really pushes. Probably sounds great on a massive sound system, but at home, it's a bit of a letdown.
I know there are a few big fans here of Decree - Wake of Devastation. Power and scorch. The next album, Moment of Silence, is also a very good listen. Their last album, Fateless, would have been at home in the primetime of Ministry, Godflesh, Pitchshifter, Meathook Seed, GGFH, Dead World, etc. Looks like they reissued all of them in 2018 on gatefold vinyl, d00ds. The Wake of Devastation LP has one bonus track, and the CD and bandcamp reissues have two bonus tracks. The original album was around 45 minutes, so they were pushing it with just the original 10 tracks. Oddly, it appears they cut tracks from the other two albums for the LPs. I'm betting they're all gumball machine toy GZ pressings. (in other words, get the CDs)
https://decree.bandcamp.com/
Totally endorse Worm Monolith, his self titled album from last year is full of noise and also scattered with the beat...
http://wormmonolith.bandcamp.com/album/worm-monolith
(Full disclosure.... Interview with him coming in the next issue of my zine, due April)
Good live act I caught last year - Verhalten:
https://moderntapes.bandcamp.com/album/corrupted-structures-v-2
More in that vibe of Alberich, though not there either. Crudish and power-electronicish. Not so polished like Ant-Zen etc.
https://aheadwoundisforgivable.bandcamp.com/album/songs-for-torture
I've always been partial to a beat thrown into an otherwise pure PE album. "Deconstruction" by Grey Wolves, the final track on Catholic Priests Fuck Children, would be a great example of this.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on May 15, 2019, 07:53:41 PM
More in that vibe of Alberich, though not there either. Crudish and power-electronicish. Not so polished like Ant-Zen etc.
https://aheadwoundisforgivable.bandcamp.com/album/songs-for-torture
This is good stuff indeed, especially the more slow-paced stuff with industrial/martial rhythms (as opposed to the more technoish pieces). Honestly I think it's better than the (few) Alberich pieces I've heard.