QuoteLets do pets discussion in "culture" if such discussion is worth having ;)
So, here we go. However, this is an
animals discussion, not simply a
pets discussion. Naming it a "pets" discussion would imply that most posters here enjoy/appreciate/possibly own domesticated animals, but it seems to me that there are many who don't.
We have a lovely pussy cat Sidney who is better company than most human beings or a child - very sensitive, thoughtful, loving and intelligent creature he seems. Of course, if complete civil collapse comes I'd eat him in ruthless desperation if need be.
Always loved cats in particular and being around animals in general, yet have been carnivore for most of my life from sheer laziness. I'm blaming these genetic inheritances in my teeth.
We have a cat whom we love dearly although she's not too social, probably because she was a stray cat before we took her in and was one at the time. While we don't know anything about that one year, it's quite possible she was a stray from birth and therefore wasn't used to humans. She isn't feral or anything but doesn't like being cuddled for too long. She'll bite too, but rarely and not powerfully so it doesn't hurt. All in all, we love her and she's the cutest cat I've ever seen (granted, I never owned a pet before and hadn't seen many cats in real life). She doesn't seem to mind the music I play either.
I eat meat for two reasons: humans have evolved eating meat and therefore it's natural for us. That said, I understand the ethical reasons for abstaining from meat and that nowadays you can have supplements which make it possible to have all the necessary nutrients in your diet if you're a vegetarian/vegan. I've thought about stopping eating meat but am too lazy to organize my diet without meat (as it would be a hassle compared to how it is now). It's a pretty terrible excuse, I know.
I would never hurt an animal for fun, artistic reasons, ritual reasons etc. While that's better behaviour than typical of many people, again I can't claim to be morally superior really: I'm aware those animals I eat are being treated cruelly during their life and in slaughterhouses. I'm also not a follower of Jainism so I don't walk with sweeping the ground in front of me and don't have a cloth in front of my mouth so as to prevent small bugs and other life forms from being stepped on or inhaled. It is extreme to do this sort of thing but I think it raises an interesting point of to what length one can go in trying to prevent harm to life.
It'd be interesting to read about the treatment of animals (especially domesticated ones) throughout history. I've read that Leonardo Da Vinci was abhorred by how people in his time treated horses, oxen etc. but beating them senseless so as to force maximum performance out of them was the custom. Also, in the 19th century a Protestant vicar tried finding passages in the Bible about treating animals kindly but he couldn't find any, therefore he couldn't justify such behaviour to his congregation who held that it was God's will that animals should serve humans.
Regarding cats, it's interesting how wildly attitudes towards them changed in history: in ancient Egypt they were basically sacred animals and even during the Roman conquest there was a case when a Roman soldier accidentally ran over a cat with his chariot and killed it and the people present got so enraged that they lynched him... Fast forward a thousand years to Europe to the Middle Ages and people were burning them since they were believed to be associated with Satan.
used to own 2 alaskan husky 3 years ago but no other choice to give them because i moved in a apt and it no place for dogs like them here i still think about them often
Quote from: Peterson on June 19, 2013, 03:29:56 AM
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but I plan to go Elk hunting this year, in order to learn the related skills in preparing meat/hide
what did you have in mind? braintanning or some highthech bs. you can also use specific woodbark or vegetables in tanning hides/furs.
field dressing and cleaning fish are things everybody should know a little about. there are other meats than the minced kind and I think bigboys and girls should be able to handle them.
I have cats and I dont let them go outside by themselves, sometimes on a leash but no solos.
I bring them moths and such to kill and play around with, seems like thats enough. birds and squirrels can fight with each other.
oh and I think I mentioned it somewhere here earlier but Im a fullfledged naturefag.
I like most animals, I am scared of spiders and some dogs (others I really like)...
I have owned dogs, cats, gerbils, rats, turtles, gold fishes, beetles, praying mantis, sea monkey, triops.
I used to hate pandas, but now I find them funny.
I am amazed by many things animals do, especially I am very into reptiles, insects and weird beings populating the ocean... From sharks to, octopus, to the creatures of the deep.
I would love to have an aquarium, but it is time consuming and expensive.
andy mentioned some seemingly extreme thoughts in the other thread and I for one completelly understand his viewpoint. australia is good example of pets completelly fucking up the ecosystem. rabbit infestation, cats and dogs killing massive amounts( I believe even close to extinction) of native animals.
aborginals had dogs but they never fed them, this means they hunted their own food and that they had their own niche in the system. a little different than pets killing everything in sight and still getting food at home.
My dislike for pets is merely related just to people who have them - who shouldn't.
For example good decision of Bleak Existence to give away Husky dogs as they don't belong to city apartment isn't obvious to everybody... They just want the dog, despite lacking possibility of understanding what it requires.
When man or animal is so alienated from reality that there are some tarts with their trimmed & genetically ill rat like dogs carried in purse, it's quite horrid sight. Or the lazy thugs with some sort of hunting dogs in city what they barely take outdoors.
Recent surprising incident was that one cat brought living rabbit as trophy to my backyard. It was the size of cat, but the experienced hunter cat wasn't bothered by challenge but carried it all the way to me, from nearby forest.
I have been planning on taking a cat for years but I have the same dilemma Mikko already pointed out. I'm not around all the time so it wouldn't be right for the poor little kitty. I definitely don't hate pets (or animals in general) and I think people need to realize it's up to them whether their pets learn how to behave or not. One instance that I witnessed just a while back was a lady with rather big German Shepherd and yes, she was training it she was far too raw on the poor thing. I was about to step in but like a coward I decided not to intervene. I was quite mad though.
I remember this little incident... I was hiking in the mountains of Lapland couple of years back and experienced one of the finest things of my life in one of the most awkward situations of my life. I had just finished eating and felt like I'm going to shit my pants. I then rushed to the nearby peak behind the rock to take a dump of my life just to find a mother-reindeer washing her young calf just meters away from me on a nearby pond. For a while they didn't notice me but when they did, they didn't run away but approached me. There I was taking one of the most burning diarrheas of my life in the middle of such a unique situation. I find it both funny and memorable.
Quote from: Bleak Existence on June 19, 2013, 06:16:49 AM
used to own 2 alaskan husky 3 years ago but no other choice to give them because i moved in a apt and it no place for dogs like them here i still think about them often
That's really sad but also very responsible of you. I knew a family that had a large husky which they constantly, due to it being a bit "jumpy" and wild around guests, locked up in the cellar all the time and hardly ever walked out, since it was allowed to roam free in their tiny garden. It drove that animal completely nuts, it broke out one day and ran through the fields tearing up sheep until some farmer shot it. It's a crime to keep any dog locked up and never walk it out, but with huskies it's even worse than usual. Wind dogs will just start running around in the flat, jumping over tables and breaking stuff if you don't provide them with opportunities to get their needed excersize, but huskies seem to get really depressed and sick in a way. At least according to the stories I've heard and experiences I've made. I absolutely hate it when people buy dogs (and animals in general) and then don't take care of them. That's the same type of asshole that breeds thousands of kids and doesn't educate and raise them properly. Animals are not toys that one can discard when one gets bored with them.
I've had my dog for a bit more than a year, he's a mixture between English Pointer and some other breed, maybe German Shepherd. Unfortunately, there are no documents. Lovely dog with a great personality. Since there's a good deal of nice routes with lots of grass, hills etc where I live, going on walks with him is no problem at all. He's good with two or three bigger walks a day and mostly lies around on the couch the rest of the time, so not as demanding as a husky would be, heh.
Before that, I had some rodents, for example a specific kind of desert mouse that learnt how to jump into the air about 20 inches high. Very weird animal, but definitely more fun than the gerbils I had after that.
Kettu makes a valid point about introduced animals. The introduction of rats, cats, dogs, horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, rabbits, camels (apparently this is the only country in the world with wild camels, so I've read) and so on was just a part of the whole European incursion into this nation, which is a wider and different subject. The aboriginal people, arriving from the North many thousands of years ago, hunted many species of Australian prehistoric mega-fauna to extinction before my noble ancestors arrived, and promptly found themselves considered fauna (until a referendum in the Sixties decided to legally declare them human beings) and the subject of many hunts themselves. Disgusting species, aren't we? Surely bow-wows and kitty-cats are so much nicer.
But that was not my impetus. I'm closer to Mikko's and others' points about pets as vanity items. I've tended to see pets as pretty much extensions of their owners frail egos. I honestly don't understand, or want to understand, the whole companionship thing. People just seem to aquire them as they aquire other things to own. The fact that pounds are stuffed with unwanted wretches in need of extermination, not to mention the proliferation of ferals, is something else pets "bring to the table", Mr Marx. I had, for years, a neighbour with four dogs in a tiny yard right next to my bedroom - no need to elaborate how easily I slept during that time. They were never walked, once. When they moved, three of the animals had to be put down due to their owners' hopeless incompetence. The neighbour after that - a worthless bogan single mum with an equally worthless teenage daughter who's parties finally, and thankfully, obliged me to move to a better area - had, for a short time, a dog, who burrowed it's way out of the yard and attempted to find it's way back to the rural area it came from. She never saw it again. Companionship my cock, people just aquire pets out of habit, or out of fetishism. By the way, ever hear the story of the old lady who was eaten by her cats when she dropped dead at home?
Vegitarianism/veganism has its benefits, no doubt, but as an ethic, it's bullshit. I was vegan for a while, back when I thought it was possible to "make the world a better place" (ie, make it more into something I liked). But one day I just gave into the craving for chicken and haven't looked back since. Currently I want to enjoy as much red meat as possible before it becomes something only the super rich can have - whether I die in a gutter or in a nursing home bed, I don't want to look back and bemoan the pleasures I denied myself out of simple ethical stupidity.
Animals are pretty fucked, when you look at them. Ducks, for example - the evolution of their genitals is based on rape. Corkscrew cunts to attempt to outwit corkscrew cocks. Seen that legendary video of the duck raping a male duck corpse? Aren't they cute? And wasn't it the baboons who go to war with each other to claim females from each others' tribes? Some ape, anyway.
Human attitude to animals is fraught with hypocrisy and denial. Here in Australia, there was a public reaction against the Japanese whaling. From the same nation that once prided itself on "riding on the sheeps' back". How many more examples can come to your mind? I hope I get to taste whale meat before I die.
The more I think of it, the more I realise that organic life, from microbe to ourselves, is just FOOD. I keep the nick-name "wormfood" on my email as a reminder of what Shakespeare had Hamlet tell us -
"Your worm is your only emperor for diet. We fat all creatures else to fat us, and we fat ourselves for maggots. Your fat king and your lean beggar is but variable service—two dishes, but to one table. That's the end."
When people like Boyd Rice and others go on about "predator and prey", they don't seem to mention the why - that is, it's all about getting something to eat. Organic life, as a whole, consumes and defecates itself, plant and animal, in an eternal orgy of eating. It doesn't matter a jot if we all still lived in tiny villages and spent all day tracking down wild cows, or mass produced the things in modern factory farms - we eat, and that's all there is to it.
We are the predator, we are the prey. We are the fodder, we are the feces.
Oh, and those of you I offended with my last post? Get fucked.
I've always grown up around a lot of animals, and enjoy being around nature quite a bit.
I got a 7 year old Australian Cattle Dog (mix?) named Loki. While I was living in Dallas we had two cats (one who my girlfriend found in NYC, the other I found there), the cat I found in Dallas really improved our quality of life. We had major fucking bug problems, our house was quite fucked structurally and we had no shortage of roaches, centipedes, flies, you name it. After Kali moved in we never saw any living bug again, so that was killer.
My girl moved to LA to be with her family, and took the cats, I moved back to Detroit and am crashing at my moms for a while (my friends tried to urge me to come to Chicago, but i'm not going to ditch my dog. fuck that, and fuck Chicago anyway). So now I'm here and she's got a 8 month Coon/Blood Hound Puppy that is fucking huge, 68 pounds, supposed to get 20 more pounds before she is fully grown. That dog and Loki probably spar like 5 hours a day. Cool to watch. We also have two cats here, one I snagged from some fucking morons in Chicago back in Oct. of 08, she's 18 now, got no teeth and a crooked spine but otherwise seems alright. The other cat is under a year, followed my brother home from a dope spot (Kitten walked like 4 miles).
I'm a big proponent of rescuing, especially adopting older animals since they are far more likely to be put down. Fucking sick of people who get a dog like it's some sort of fucking fashion accessory. Strongly opposed to cruelty, dog fighting, vivisections, torture etc...I'm not a vegetarian but I flirt with the idea largely due to the fact that I feel the meat industry in the US really mishandles our food, as well as subjects the employees and animals to unfair conditions. Never been hunting, but I'm not opposed (don't believe in hunting anything purely for game, and am completely against safari, wolf hunting etc), but i'd be down with bagging some birds or deer. Gotta love venison. Haven't been fishing in a long time but i might have to do that sometime soon, my friend moved to NC for a while and fly fished couple times a week. She really loved it. And who doesn't love fresh fish?
Also love nature quite a bit, my friends aren't really down on camping. which is unfortunate. but I seem to come across a fair amount of it even in the city. We had a family of Owls in our backyard last year in Dallas, really fucking cool. They'd sit on the low hanging branches and look into the bedroom window as we stared back out. Used to go feed the deer and stray dogs with my grandmother when I was a kid, before the city locked all the deer in the abandon zoo. And even though Detroit gets this major bad rap as a neglected city I always thought it was cool and super beautiful to watch nature overtake the industrial wasteland we created. We used to hang out in abandon buildings and watch the packs of wild dogs move from building to building as we sat on the roofs.
I like animals because the do funny things or because they are mean.
As exactly many other things in my life I don't think too much about it.
One thing for sure is that I would have animals at my place only if I could offer at least a little of presence... having pets just to keep them as a commodity sucks for them and creates disfunctional behaviours that can become annoying.
Some animals are done to stay at home even in a big town, others are not... and that's about it...
But when I think about animals I REALLY like, they cannot be managed at home...
in no particular order:
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(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01605/crocodile-feeding_1605745i.jpg)
(http://www.mrconservative.com/files/2013/04/bear-800x470.jpg)
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/239/2/b/hammerhead_shark___sphyrna_mokarran_by_kimsuyeong81-d5cl1w2.jpg)
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Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 19, 2013, 07:24:59 PMTed Nugent's ranch isn't far from Waco & he has a bunch of exotic species. I'd love to befriend that lunatic!
Oh yeah! I'd love to go hunting with him as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibUbIyska9k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibUbIyska9k)
too bad I live in shitty ass soviet finlad with all these bullshit rules or otherwise I would get a pethyena, one of my favourite animals.
id love it, pet it, feed it bones and litte children and it could pull my work trolly.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XoED1-4S_HE/TVCMlU2uJwI/AAAAAAAAAV0/UOo_ho5SEGI/s1600/HyenaOwnerNigeria.jpg)
never had a dog but I think I have to get one at some point. skijoring is where its at. cats are too skinny and disorganized for it.
Quote from: Johann on June 19, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
I'm a big proponent of rescuing, especially adopting older animals since they are far more likely to be put down.
Just added a fourth dog to our household, a 13-year-old puggle that was rescued from a kill shelter where he had been brought to be destroyed by his original owners because he was "too old." Saw him on Facebook and me and the missus figured nobody else was going to go for him, so we said, fuck it - we have experience with managing older dogs through the end of their lives and we've turned our house into a dirty fucking playground for spoiled beasts anyway. Why not let this dude live out his last year or two being spoiled? What fucking sociopath has a dog for 13 years, and animal bred for not much more than social attachment, and treats it like its disposable when it's a little inconvenient? Anyway, the dog is great - perfectly healthy (needs a little help going down stairs), affectionate, comical underbite, sticks its tongue out when it sleeps, and deaf as a post, so he startles easy, and bites. Which I think is hilarious.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 20, 2013, 01:38:41 AM
Maybe the person that owned the dog had something happen that prevents them from caring for him. Like getting diagnosed with terminal cancer or lost their job and/or house. There's plenty of reasons other than being sociopathic.
Except this wasn't the case, as I had direct knowledge of the situation. They dropped him off to be killed because he was too old, as I wrote. Hence the use of quotes around that phrase in my original post. I was not imagining a motive on the former owner's part in order to bolster my self-righteousness (at least not in this instance.)
It's shocking how many people are willing to just give up their animals. I hear it all the time, especially from people my age (early/mid twenties). "oh well, if i get the opportunity to do... then i'll just give away my ____." fucking bullshit, if you fucking adopt something its your fucking responsibility, deal with it. If your a selfish dick and don't want the responsibility then don't fucking get an animal.
@Kettu
fucking love Hyenas, beautiful beast. wonder what it'd think of the Finnish winter!
http://www.bbc.com/travel/video/roads-less-travelled/20130531-pt-3-taming-wild-hyenas-outside-harar
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 20, 2013, 03:15:51 AM
Even so, I fail to see how the former owners are sociopathic. Seems like you'd need a lot more information for such a complicated diagnosis.
I'll lay off the hyperbole as soon as you quit being disingenuously literal.
Yep, animals sure bring out the best in people.
Marco has a point about fish, actually. I'm particularly fond of this one -
(http://spotonlists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/blobfish2.jpg)
But there's other rippers of the deep -
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ddupNENL7e0/TfkBb4bK8fI/AAAAAAAABgQ/-j7K86z-YBo/s1600/mms_picture.jpg)
(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=gW6jbAjEh-esIM&tbnid=MRWJPMClC3py9M:&ved=0CAUQjBwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greengoblin.com%2Finternal%2Fcorner%2Fshark.jpg&ei=xlzCUYq3MJHakgWT3YD4Bw&psig=AFQjCNGxdSZQ9f0M-0mg92Nsgm76X8g_9g&ust=1371778630832811)
(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=a_DYv-Ve0dqGyM&tbnid=MqWmmBk-NuO64M:&ved=0CAUQjBwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mbari.org%2Fnews%2Fnews_releases%2F2009%2Fbarreleye%2Fbarreleye1-350.jpg&ei=A13CUfvXE4b4kAWgmIGQBA&psig=AFQjCNHRvxXcqLwJ85uMb5m3Lx-HjRQDwg&ust=1371778691356653)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ckBlasgNSzg/SVgBV9OZibI/AAAAAAAAKN0/GLsN15DMtg4/s400/Deep+Sea+Hatchetfish.jpg)
It's been stated before that this planet really belongs to the sea creatures. Although dead zones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_%28ecology%29) are taking care of that, too.
"Vegan artist" Dana Ellyn.
(http://vivalavegan.net/community/images/stories/2013/Dana_Ellyn/pig.jpg)
(http://vivalavegan.net/community/images/stories/2013/Dana_Ellyn/paris.jpg)
(http://vivalavegan.net/community/images/stories/2013/Dana_Ellyn/deli.jpg)
(http://vivalavegan.net/community/images/stories/2013/Dana_Ellyn/outsmarted.jpg)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 20, 2013, 04:42:41 AM
Yep, animals sure bring out the best in people.
Marco has a point about fish, actually. I'm particularly fond of this one -
I love all three... esp the amazing grumpy blob fish... he looks like a guy I meet on the train every now and then...
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 19, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
Why could anyone hate pandas?!?
He is the quintessence of animal political correctness... definding him like a cute lazy animal, while he can turn to a very dangerous killing machine.
he pretended to be a bear while instead he was just a big racoon... now he has been classifed again as a bear so I cannot hate him anymore since I love bears and I am forced to become his friend :)
Quote from: Johann on June 20, 2013, 02:36:12 AM
@Kettu
fucking love Hyenas, beautiful beast. wonder what it'd think of the Finnish winter!
http://www.bbc.com/travel/video/roads-less-travelled/20130531-pt-3-taming-wild-hyenas-outside-harar
african nights get hella cold, close to 0 degrees celsius at times. I think they wouldnt mind it too much + I would let them sleep in my bed.
I looked into ostrich farming in finland some time ago and they had their first succesfull natural breeding in finland a couple of years ago, thanks to warming weathers, and were still talking about a fairly cold country.
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 20, 2013, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 19, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
Why could anyone hate pandas?!?
a cute lazy animal, while he can turn to a very dangerous killing machine.
he pretended to be a bear while instead he was just a big racoon... now he has been classifed again as a bear
Sounds like textbook sociopath behavior to me.
Pets are great in times of stress. And in times of starvation, too, of course.
Quote from: dubduboverlord on June 20, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on June 20, 2013, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 19, 2013, 07:24:59 PM
Why could anyone hate pandas?!?
a cute lazy animal, while he can turn to a very dangerous killing machine.
he pretended to be a bear while instead he was just a big racoon... now he has been classifed again as a bear
Sounds like textbook sociopath behavior to me.
quit being such a sociopath and look at my cat showering for five and a half minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCDgKGciuc&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on June 20, 2013, 07:09:23 PM
Pets are great in times of stress. And in times of starvation, too, of course.
You seem very practical. I like that in a person.
Quote from: kettu on June 20, 2013, 07:17:40 PM
quit being such a sociopath and look at my cat showering for five and a half minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCDgKGciuc&feature=youtu.be
Nice fur. Seems very clean. Well done.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7228/7215777680_7248ca9486_z.jpg)
My house. The Wolfpack.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6994386387_8069cb9002_z.jpg)
A fat guy attempting to eat one of The Wolfpack.
Congrats for the tattoo!
My interest in sharks is documented enough, so I don't have to get into that, but I'll make mention of my brother's documentary work with animals. He's always on some wild adventure filming for the Pacific Wildlife Foundation, Knowledge Network, Wilderness Committee, etc. Some great examples of his work:
http://vimeo.com/28139130
http://vimeo.com/59803160
http://vimeo.com/51942335
http://vimeo.com/34476768
http://vimeo.com/7691900
Dogstitution anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCc0V2fxpyM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.japansugoi.com/wordpress/rent-a-dog-in-tokyo-puppy-the-world/
(http://floatingworld.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/puppy_the_world_small.jpg)
Check the little cutie, bottom row, second from the right. You can be her master for three days, 10,500yen (1050yen per hour). No info on specific services offered so probably standard DFE, anything additional to be negotiated in advance. Though I'm sure she'll readily accept your bone like the well-trained bitch she is... and when you're through, she'll roll over and beg for more!
I guess they do have a nice thick coat.
Ostrich farming? Interested in breeding them for food production or just researching? Very cool, have thought about trying to raise ducks, rabbits etc for slaughter here in MI.
yeah,farming. theres a several farms here and the fact that they can now breed succesfully peaked my intrest.
earlier they needed a hatchery with artificial lights and all that.
cool animal in that sense that you can use all of it in different ways and the meat is good and lean.
I think ive seen people riding them aswell so I could retire the volvo station vagon.
I have used dead animals as a part of stage show, and it amazing how fast the stupid animal defenders jump up and scream.
Situation was my friend,a professional butcher, had the carcass of his beloved cat in the friezer for some years, wanting to do something special as a tribute to his pet. So he butchered the dead cat and strapped the fur over a frame. Nice homeage if you ask me, but this crazy "animal lover" runs out the venue without asking what this is, and starts slandering me on the web. So many self righteous people out there..
Quote from: gasskammer on June 21, 2013, 07:59:08 PM
I have used dead animals as a part of stage show, and it amazing how fast the stupid animal defenders jump up and scream.
Situation was my friend,a professional butcher, had the carcass of his beloved cat in the friezer for some years, wanting to do something special as a tribute to his pet. So he butchered the dead cat and strapped the fur over a frame. Nice homeage if you ask me, but this crazy "animal lover" runs out the venue without asking what this is, and starts slandering me on the web. So many self righteous people out there..
I dunno, sounds to me like you got exactly the reaction you wanted. What were people really supposed to do? Sit there and go, "Oh, a special tribute to a pet. What a nice homage?"
I maybe live in a bubble, but it didnt occur to me that anyone would find it that disturbing, thats all.
Quote from: gasskammer on June 21, 2013, 10:08:02 PM
I maybe live in a bubble, but it didnt occur to me that anyone would find it that disturbing, thats all.
I remember that cozy exhibition/gig.
Self-righteous moral outrage and laid-back cynicism are two sides of the same coin.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 22, 2013, 01:38:37 AM
Self-righteous moral outrage and laid-back cynicism are two sides of the same coin.
Yes, i can see that coin spinning forever, and i Guess my cynicism grows when confronted With such People.
I grew up in the countryside, so seing animals killing each other was daily. Also People killing animals for use.
So even if this was at a setting that was unnormal for the slaughtering of an animal, i did not think anyone would be
outraged since it was already dead. My original point being; it was meant as a homage, a good sendaway ritual for his
pet, that animal rights People did not understand and jumped up before asking us did not occur to me. Lesson learned, that is all.
Quote from: Peterson on June 22, 2013, 09:49:18 PMI see eating meat like smoking cigarettes...they aren't going to kill you if you cut down to an absolute minimum.
Health wise, you're right, it helps to treat red meat at least as a delicacy. I understand our cave-dwelling ancestors ate a great deal of it, but of course, things have changed.
Maybe such pet like that at home? Why not?
(http://images47.fotosik.pl/1858/d4d02683f204ae54gen.jpg)
there are 3+ potential pets in this picture. Which one?
Quote from: Levas on June 23, 2013, 09:04:50 AM
there are 3+ potential pets in this picture. Which one?
It depends on you. The human is a kind of animal, it's true... but pet? You may despise other people, you have right, as others have rights living according to their rules.
hm. there are 3 birds and hienna. I didn't say anything about humans or their rights to live according to their rules
Quote from: Levas on June 23, 2013, 09:39:48 AM
hm. there are 3 birds and hienna. I didn't say anything about humans or their rights to live according to their rules
Oki, so there isn't problem :)
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Quote from: gasskammer on June 23, 2013, 03:33:10 AM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 22, 2013, 01:38:37 AM
Self-righteous moral outrage and laid-back cynicism are two sides of the same coin.
Yes, i can see that coin spinning forever, and i Guess my cynicism grows when confronted With such People.
I grew up in the countryside, so seing animals killing each other was daily. Also People killing animals for use.
So even if this was at a setting that was unnormal for the slaughtering of an animal, i did not think anyone would be
outraged since it was already dead. My original point being; it was meant as a homage, a good sendaway ritual for his
pet, that animal rights People did not understand and jumped up before asking us did not occur to me. Lesson learned, that is all.
Yes, I too grew up in the countryside, on a farm (I'm a farmer still, in fact). I remember as a very young child - about six or seven - giving a school-friend a dead kitten's paw as a token of affection. He delighted with this, but he was from the town, and when his mother found out, she was horrified and forbade him from coming out here again! I suppose it all comes down to what one regards as culturally 'normal', and where these norms clash is where we get the trouble...
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 19, 2013, 03:58:13 PMBy the way, ever hear the story of the old lady who was eaten by her cats when she dropped dead at home?
Should we drop dead right here in the apartment before refilling their bowls, I hope my two felines (one stray abandoned very young in a small town nearby, one inherited from my sister-in-law; there are way too many abandoned & unwanted cats around for anyone to have any reason bothering actually getting one from a cat breeder) feasts on our carcasses without regret, before we start to rot.
Would like to own a dog some day, preferably something like this:
(http://www.dogspot.in/userfiles/images/Biggest-Tibetan-Mastiff-5.jpg)
i have a passion for bugs, everything with 6 or more legs, kept a lot of them as pet but quit the hobby when i started working fulltime...i just didn't have the time to spray & feed all the cages/boxes/vials with scorpions, tarantulas (only kept African & Asian species), beetles, whipspiders, centipedes, fruitbeetles, huntsman spiders, cockroaches, true bugs, mantids, .....now i have nothing. I still like to read on it, maybe keep something again in the future but only something slow-growing (giant australian cockroaches?)...he fast species that produce multiple generations each year made it very crowded really fast lol
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 24, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
That has to be a touched up photo. Right?
Nope, it's a Tibetan Mastiff in all its glory :)
Used to have reptiles / snakes but due to work hours / travel had to give them up, nowadays it's just 4 rescue kittens, wife and baby I have to feed and look after :)
I have a snail and a cat though most of my life I had various dogs. Newfoundland, few of unknown mixes and now at my mother's there is dobberman mixed with german shepherd and straffordshire. A cat is ok, but it's slightly annoying. snail does not meow at 4am and you don't find vomit on your bed.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 26, 2013, 12:08:09 AMI've thought about getting a scorpion but have never really looked into it.
never came across one of these? ;-) not a scorpion but related, from Texas.
(http://images.ookaboo.com/photo/m/Mastigoproctus_giganteus_0004_L_D__m.jpg)
one of the few species i would still want to keep (& are not difficult), & only recently people started breeding these in Europe...
oops, didn't mean to alarm you ;-)
https://insects.tamu.edu/fieldguide/cimg365.html (https://insects.tamu.edu/fieldguide/cimg365.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelyphonida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelyphonida)
prob not in your area?
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4816344.html (http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4816344.html)
Of course, the arguments can apply to any cause, or any ruling authority.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 12, 2013, 08:06:44 PM
A few years ago on the now-dead noise forum, there was a thread about Vegan noise & some of them had their panties in a twist over why a dead human is a corpse but a dead animal is a carcass.
The other day after a trail ride, I pulled my helmet off & a big fucking red spider crawled out. I guess he hitched a ride somewhere along the way. I'm making sure I check the bandana I wear & the helmet before I put them on..
What a free-bee ride! Long-legged red spiders are way more disgusting than puny carcasses. Carcass!
(http://www.ecollegetimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2513978!/image/1515570736.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_260/1515570736.jpg)
Cats, foxes and wolves are my "favourite" four-legged friends, I don't mind dogs but they will love you out of obedience whereas felines and foxes will love you if they choose to.
I am also a big fan of bees and moths - I'd love to be a beekeeper some day soon and try to encourage them in my garden where possible. A colleague at work has a couple of hives so for the time being he can keep me informed of the day to day life with bees! There is a phenomenally good and exciting "moths and butterflies" section in the Derby (UK) museum, would only be better if it were a "living" museum though I guess it would suck like a zoo then. Some absolutely beautiful creatures in there, love it.
We have lived in our current house for nearly 5 years, there is a communal garden to the rear of our own fenced garden and above said communal area every year a single bat emerges and soars around every night. I have spent countless time just staring at it, trying to trace its movements - a challenge sometimes when the light drops but it's fun to lose the sight and for it to then suddenly reappear out of the corner of your eye.
Detroit should just be left to the dogs:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-21/abandoned-dogs-roam-detroit-in-packs-as-humans-dwindle.html
http://www.boredpanda.com/abandoned-house-animals-kai-fagerstrom/
Reclaimed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQeUw7cgHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQeUw7cgHw)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/23/cockfighting-romanian-princess-oregon-sentenced-probation (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/23/cockfighting-romanian-princess-oregon-sentenced-probation)
This could easily go under the This Week In PC Faggotry thread. For fuck's sake - going to gaol for organising chooks to kill each other while people watch?!
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/deadanimalsikilled-is-instagrams-most-blatant-troll-815 (http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/deadanimalsikilled-is-instagrams-most-blatant-troll-815)
"In Germany we had a place for you. That place was Auschwitz. Now step in the train" writes concerned animal lover.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-18/donkey-dies-after-spanish-nativity-scene/5976376 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-18/donkey-dies-after-spanish-nativity-scene/5976376)
..just fed my cat albin, outside, in the garden. had a fight with him yesterday evening cause i wasn´t home for one week, bastard missed me! recorded some first class noise afterwards! yes, I like that bitchsouls caught in that animalshells..
Haven't had my own dog in a few years. I was looking at a really pretty female German Shepard who was blind in one eye from a board falling on her when she was like 4 days old, huge scar and a totally white eyeball looks bad ass but she's pretty expensive.
Also, I got invited to a Dog fight by some Mexican dish washers from a restaurant my buddy owns. Could be an interesting experience.
Quote from: Peterson on January 21, 2015, 05:04:40 AM
She's probably totally worth the price, Ryan...dogs that have seen (not to coin a pun, heh) some shit in life are generally wiser and smarter, sort of like people. My rescued Dane used to get the shit kicked out of him as a pup, but now he's a 15-year-old gentle giant with only the slightest of health problems.
Also, regarding the fighting, I've always wanted to see one, even though I can be squeamish to stuff like that.
I ended up not going because it was in Cottonwood, but my friend told me it was lame. These guys are more like wannabe cartel actors than anything. My friend is a pussy who couldn't even watch the Dawn of the Dead remake so if he said it was tame it was probably very tame.
Oh and someone already picked up that gimpy German Sheppard. I'd probably suck at taking care of it anyway so good for them.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on December 18, 2014, 09:03:35 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-18/donkey-dies-after-spanish-nativity-scene/5976376 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-18/donkey-dies-after-spanish-nativity-scene/5976376)
QuoteThe donkey died the following day.
"Our Platero was literally squashed by a man," the statement said.
"The man proudly posed with his almost 150 kilos of weight on the fragile body of the animal, fatally injuring him."
What a fat retard. I don't really get how it died, though. It didn't look that small and he didn't look
that big. I want to see those camera phone videos.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/f7985a6ae3a316907229b1f3af929814/tumblr_njg0eia31u1sm0f6uo2_540.jpg)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/93e1f1b0fa01d66833e723ba41e92f5d/tumblr_njg0eia31u1sm0f6uo3_540.jpg)
Couple of photos of a wedge tail eagle (so I was told) I took when at Wilson's Promontory this weekend, the Southern-most part of Victoria. They're carrion eaters, I believe.
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/236325/creature-found-in-tuna-can-turns-out-to-be-tongue-eating-parasite/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-26/rogue-european-eagle-owl-sows-terror-in-dutch-city-purmerend/6265390 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-26/rogue-european-eagle-owl-sows-terror-in-dutch-city-purmerend/6265390)
https://news.vice.com/article/one-of-the-worlds-biggest-extinction-crises-is-being-caused-by-cats (https://news.vice.com/article/one-of-the-worlds-biggest-extinction-crises-is-being-caused-by-cats)
http://www.rathergood.com/laibach (http://www.rathergood.com/laibach)
Pentti Linkola was right about cats all along.
He seems right about humans too.
When I was a child still living with my family we saw our pet cat fight a local snake to the death. The cat won. I also remember, as a teenager, a large kangaroo shoving its snout in my face like it was telling me to piss off or something (this was at a national park). Kangaroo meat is very good, dark and rich but very tender if cooked right.
Quote from: Levas on April 14, 2015, 09:55:51 PM
Pentti Linkola was right about cats all along.
Can you open this sentence little?
I find it absurd and foolish to blame an animal. It is humans to blame if an population explodes and balance is tipped off.
Quote from: Vermin Marvin on April 15, 2015, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Levas on April 14, 2015, 09:55:51 PM
Pentti Linkola was right about cats all along.
Can you open this sentence little?
Found that old gem you probably mean, it just tell how passionate Linkola are for birds.. lot`s of similar comments against modern world and human on his first books even them are far less radical than newer material.
Maybe everything other than birding is vain but still.. My Pussy, My Choice.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/africa/kenya-northern-white-rhino/
Yeah he wrote in "Can Life Prevail?"
"Not only are fanatical animal protectors friends of the cat, but so is half of the population! Man's relationship with nature has never been more deranged, reckless and hypocritical than it is with the cat: when it comes to defending the cat, many environmentalists turn cunning and deceitful ... And what about the thousands of mawkish pictures of cats in magazines? In August, when the fledgeling flocks of little birds move low in bushes and grassy banks, I have seen a female cat carry a little bird to its autumnal kittens every half hour past my ornithologist's workplace - not a particularly encouraging message about my work. Compared to the cat, the sparrowhawk and the hobby are just amateurs. ... The cat problem is growing all the more serious now that animal protection authorities have passed a new insane resolution: they have decreed that putting a cat down by drowning is illegal. The breeding patterns among domestic cats have long infringed all natural boundaries: each cat now has a lifespan of twenty years, brings forth two broods a year, is fertile under the age of one and knows no natural enemies. Nothing even close this has ever before been observed in nature. ... Currently hoardes of cats are posing a severe threat to the conservation of birds and wildlife. A minimum requirement would be for cats to be registered and kept on a tight leash when outside; were any cat to be found slaughtering a protected animal, its owner should be prosecuted. This however is pure utopia - as is always the case with attempts to protect nature that clash with people's ardent desires. ... It is utterly impossible to accommodate cats in northern lands: the cat simply remains a grievance to be rooted out. Sure, cats are linked to some solid traditions, but so are spitting on the floor and tobacco. In any case, cats must be got rid of."
The problem is real in the countryside, I agree. Linkola has his own extreme way of putting his words on the issue. But the problem here is man, again. It insanity not to get their pets neuteried it is cheap and easy. Typical recklesness of people living in country side, they if someone are more common to mistreat their animals. I just don't agree with his wrath against a certain type of animal, he's just mad because his beloved birds are getting killed and probably cause he has found an animal type that hippies like, a good chain to yank. If it was any other imbalance in food chain, he probably wouldn't care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIji2Dcfzo4#t=14387
For those who are crazy like me and enjoy watching live stream of barn owl heating his/her eggs, having them hatch and seeing the little owlets grow.
Quotelive stream of barn owl
you might enjoy this piece my brother filmed on owls for national geographic a while ago:
http://mikemckinlay.com/updates/2014/7/26/filming-owls-with-national-geographic
http://itsalmo.st/#timetokilljohnnydeppsdogs (http://itsalmo.st/#timetokilljohnnydeppsdogs)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on May 14, 2015, 08:56:26 AM
http://itsalmo.st/#timetokilljohnnydeppsdogs (http://itsalmo.st/#timetokilljohnnydeppsdogs)
context?
Apart from the amusing title?
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Johnny+Depp+dogs (https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Johnny+Depp+dogs)
Save the whale!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-03/incredible-experience-watching-sharks-eat-dead-whale/6594150 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-03/incredible-experience-watching-sharks-eat-dead-whale/6594150)
squirrels-don't half cook well.
like small rabbits
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on September 20, 2016, 03:49:27 AM
http://heatst.com/politics/exclusive-watch-how-tannerite-explosive-used-in-chelsea-bombing-can-blow-up-a-huge-hog/
typical, yanks don't turn the carcass into sausages but blow it up! total waste of meat.
well, some sun bloated hog will rash killed, otherwiselikely be too ripe to eat, but fresh killed otherwise...
don't forget, us Europeans hang our meat for several weeks in our climate to add flavour.
they run like fick.
still sausages are sausages as far as end product goes
bought sausages and smoked bacon this weekend.
yum!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/28/anger-as-japanese-skating-rink-freezes-thousands-of-fish-into-ice-as-gimmick (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/28/anger-as-japanese-skating-rink-freezes-thousands-of-fish-into-ice-as-gimmick)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 28, 2016, 08:04:02 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/28/anger-as-japanese-skating-rink-freezes-thousands-of-fish-into-ice-as-gimmick (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/28/anger-as-japanese-skating-rink-freezes-thousands-of-fish-into-ice-as-gimmick)
these all seemed dead before the stunt. waste of fish to eat.
slaughter motel- great docu on the meat industry in early eighties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3-wmHgx_iE
Honey Bees vs. Fishing Spider
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 29, 2016, 05:36:51 PM
slaughter motel- great docu on the meat industry in early eighties
clearly not. this is an inept but enjoyable Gallo by Ferdinand de Leo.
I was thinking of the Frederick Wiseman docu, whose name escapes but is as good as crass veggie propaganda
I am raw vegan and live in russia and it even saves my money, because i eat a lot less than before. I've always thought it to be meaningless to kill these innocent fuckers for food because their meat is not even eatable without special processing like boiling, frying etc. and after that salting it, using some flavoring, sauses and other flavor enchancers. So it's unnatural for man to eat animals, because juicy red meat is fucking horrible, you won't even be able to bite a peace of it. But think how hard that is to do all of it and how much time it consumes instead of just going to a tree, taking a fruit and eating it. Ready, so nature created this food specially for us, it's eatable right at the starting point, and no deception of taste for yourself. Health improves to just unprecedented point, i'm not even going to start to list all of the pluses of such diet. It's all about just a taste addiction that you will have to fight if you want to start this way, that's why most people hate vegans, if it's not just pure hate to animals of course). They have done something that seems right mostly to anybody, but people understand that they don't want to change themselves, because it's a hard work to do and there are some excuses of scientific researches and so on that is completely bullshit, bcs it rejects the logic of nature.
But i am more neutral to animals than positive, because i don't find them really loving. Most of them are just ignorant or smth, but those who can love like my previous cat i adore. But even ignorance is better than judgement, in which most people are into, i feel uncomfortable amongst most of them, so animals>people. But again, if an apocalypse and no options for fruits and vegetables - kill, boil and eat :)
Quote from: xgxpxnx on January 14, 2017, 01:05:10 PM
So it's unnatural for man to eat animals, because juicy red meat is fucking horrible, you won't even be able to bite a peace of it.
I love the taste of raw meat. And I'm not the only one. People have been eating raw meat since people evolved. Depends on the flesh, though. A nice bit of raw cow is fucking lovely. Raw fish is a world-wide accepted delicacy. Chicken and pork, though, that's supposed to be a bit of a worry, even though I've had raw chicken too.
There is nothing "unnatural" about eating flesh. If it was, we wouldn't eat it. It isn't "natural" for humans to eat grass even though I'll bet there are those who have and do.
eating flesh is totally natural, adding gravy, though lovely, less so.
@Andrew McIntosh
Well, it's really unusual amongst people, but nevertheless most of them eat fresh fruits and vegetables without any spices, which are not grass. And i'm curious, how do you manage to bite it? Especially cow, it's like chewing a rubber..
my local butcher (organic) had woodcock for sale. he couldn't recommend as whole bird apparently cooked.
further research showed that the bird was cooked inputted, the innards and brain spread on toast as patinclined to agree with butcher, despite first thoughts that innards carved with cooked meat.
The most unnatural/despicable meat dish would be deep fried thumb monkeys.
Quote from: KMusselman on May 22, 2017, 07:37:56 PM
stepped out onto the front porch this morning to drink my coffee and someone left their baby at our steps
(http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b406/22KMusselman/deer_zpscvfchrp9.jpg)
hilarious! it made the local news
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article151978387.html
jealous, all i get is phlegm and dog ends.
rat ran across my door three months back.
Quote from: KMusselman on May 22, 2017, 07:37:56 PM
stepped out onto the front porch this morning to drink my coffee and someone left their baby at our steps
(http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b406/22KMusselman/deer_zpscvfchrp9.jpg)
hilarious! it made the local news
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article151978387.html
What are you supposed to do when that happens? Just leave it alone and accept that you now have a deer family as occupants of your porch? Probably you at least have to restrain yourself from petting the fawn, no matter how tempting it is.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-03/dead-dogs-why-are-they-being-strung-up-on-trees/8867584 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-03/dead-dogs-why-are-they-being-strung-up-on-trees/8867584)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjmUSi3Y3M&t=
one skull had a mouse nest in the brain cavity.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4547088/brit-tourist-celia-hollingworth-killed-rabid-wolves-greece/
Found this little guy trying to crawl in my front door this morning.
(https://preview.ibb.co/haWppp/0909181056a_HDR.jpg)