Haven 't found another topic about Collage Art, so let's start this one.
Collage Art - recommended books, used materials, methods of work, etc...
I really like to watch and 'sink' into good collages. I'm also doing some by myself. I cut the (for my taste) interesting-looking bits out of some cheap magazines and glue them on an A4-page, copy it black & white and stick it on my basement door. So nothing special here...
But even if it's a cliché, it's kind of relaxing for me to immerse into putting a collage together.
I think that a good number of noise-people are also doing collages, so I'd like to know and learn more about your experiences and opinions!
Mr. FreakAnimal already mentioned Peter Beard's book by Taschen, that 'If you're buying one book of collages in your life, let it be this'.
I absolutely agree with that, fantastic book(s)!
I'm also looking forward for the Kristian Olsson 'Ghoulson'-book, which should be out on Autarkeia in the near future.
Great collages (and acrylic work too) from Karen Constance here:
http://chocolatemonk.co.uk/aff_handit_acrylics.htm (http://chocolatemonk.co.uk/aff_handit_acrylics.htm)
Kudos for thread. Looking forward to follow postings to come.
Some of my work:
http://paulkerin.tumblr.com/tagged/paperdestruction
I work in other media too (print, digital,sound) but I always find collage to be the most satisfying and intuitive way to create images. From making small, impulsive, low quality "studies" of rough content to spending hours arranging and gluing small pieces together.
Collage and mixed media art are my favorite type. During my more productive periods i will spend upwards of 12 hours a day working on this shit, tends to be rough blown out color mess. constantly constructed, deconstructed and re-constructed. I notice a lot of ripped black and white, porno/grime type collage in the harsh noise scene. it's cool, not totally my bag, i am more into total abstraction.
I like K. Constance work quite a bit, real clean lines. i actually saw some work that was real similar to hers at this fucking mystic/tarot shop i was at a couple weeks ago.
John Olson's work is stellar, http://americantapes.us/ (scroll down, it's kinda like a slide show. seems like mixed media rather than pure collage)
http://www.americantapes.blogspot.com/2011/08/13-24-x-18-inches-mixed-media-on.html
Andy Bolus artwork has been blowing my mind the fuck out recently, i really love his shit. Super inspiring (again seems to be a little bit more mixed media, but whatever)
http://schoolofmeatcutting.free.fr/paintings1.html
http://schoolofmeatcutting.free.fr/print.html
Heath Moreland - Fag Tapes fucking art is also pretty incredible (again, not straight collage but ultra stellar)
http://fagtapes.blogspot.com/p/artwork-by-heath-moerland.html
Edit: Almost forgot. Fucking Ronald Lessard. Incredible fucking Collage and Xerox shit
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older stuff i'm into is like
Francois Dufrene and Wolf Vostell, might seem a little dated now. But i still really enjoy it
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and recent stuff that didn't move me at all is Phillip Best - Sex Offender Boyfriend series. Well executed but total bore
Names you should check out:
Raoul Ubac
Andrew Nawroski
Karel Teige
Max Ernst
wilfried sätty
(http://www.zpub.com/satty/satty24.jpg)
http://beautiful-grotesque.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-art-of-wilfried-satty.html (http://beautiful-grotesque.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-art-of-wilfried-satty.html)
Quote from: Johann on June 29, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
and recent stuff that didn't move me at all is Phillip Best - Sex Offender Boyfriend series. Well executed but total bore
I feel like AJ Weberman to his Dylan or Nicholson Baker to his Updike virtually rooting through his bins but find his work endlessly fascinating - the shameless in-your-face pervert angle is obvious but it's the other stuff mixed in there which keeps me wondering - the mystic and autobiographical material and the content verging on psychosis.
I enjoyed Dominick Fernow's book of collages that came with the "White Eyes of Winter Watching" special edition - with ripped pages it seems they were made very quickly in some kind of frenzy. The expected cliched imagery: pure cliche which reveals pure archetype.
It's very therapeutic making collages, you can say all kinds of things you can't express verbally.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 30, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
"...the mystic and autobiographical material and the content verging on psychosis"
Which collages have all that? All I have seen are National Geographic/Nature images with some children & some smeared paint.
It's the elements of scrying and sortilege which fascinate me the most in the composition.
There's a page featuring Frank Corder who set off on the night of September 11th 1994 in a
stolen Cessna and tried to crash it into the White House. Best seems to hint at a mirror
world, at hidden vistas of reality - from American Campgrounds review I did - always at the edge of the children and nature is this psychosis and horror impinging, newspaper clippings used of people who violently self-destructed, hints at creepy non-linear narrative and hidden forces, a lot of plane crashes too.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on June 30, 2013, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 30, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
"...the mystic and autobiographical material and the content verging on psychosis"
Which collages have all that? All I have seen are National Geographic/Nature images with some children & some smeared paint.
It's the elements of scrying and sortilege which fascinate me the most in the composition.
There's a page featuring Frank Corder who set off on the night of September 11th 1994 in a
stolen Cessna and tried to crash it into the White House. Best seems to hint at a mirror
world, at hidden vistas of reality - from American Campgrounds review I did - always at the edge of the children and nature is this psychosis and horror impinging, newspaper clippings used of people who violently self-destructed, hints at creepy non-linear narrative and hidden forces, a lot of plane crashes too.
This is a very interesting take on Best work. I've only seen the several images online, never having had the opportunity to see a proper show or book (American Campgrounds is a book? or a book of a gallery show?). Maybe I'm to quick to judge his work, given the opportunity i'll be sure to investigate further.
concerning your previous post
"the mystic and autobiographical material and the content verging on psychosis", i am not so aware of Best as a person so i am not aware of the autobiographical content within his work but i can see how his work may contain a mystic element.
And i agree with the idea of collage. or even art in general as therapy allowing you to express things that can either not be said or can not be articulated.
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Matteo Castro collage work i find deeply moving. I like almost all of the Second Sleep artwork, but my favorites are.
Dave Phillips LP
Sewer Election/Hoffmeier LP
Scorpio & Glass CS
I'd love to see more of his artwork.
Quote from: Johann on July 01, 2013, 04:33:08 AM
the autobiographical content within his work
The overwhelming feeling of destroyed innocence and loss, and his own history as 'child star' of PE being exposed to heavy and dark themes at a young age.
I very much like the work of Danger, a gentleman associated with Koma Books in LA - http://dangercollage.blogspot.co.uk/
Surprised no-one has mentioned Mr Merz himself who influenced everyone in this thread somehow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schwitters
Christer Themptander is a Swedish collage/montage artist I really enjoy. Very 70's leftwing style satirical content but often pleasing to me on a purely aesthetical level.
(http://www.proggposters.se/images/large/IMG_0322.jpg)
"The Nixons on a bike tour" (1972). Simple but genious
(http://www.omkonst.com/Bilder05/themptander2.jpg)
I think most ripped up "transgressive" PE collages in noise zines, tape covers etc. are really terrible and uninspired.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 02, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
When the word "transgressive" is used, it always seems like the person is trying to play down being offended. I'm not sure I've ever come across an artist who has stated their intent is to be transgressive.
"Uninspired" in what way? For the artist or the viewer? I've seen some stuff that looked like it was pieced together with very little skill but I have no idea if they were inspired at the time of tearing everything up or not.
When i think transgression, i think of something existing purely for shock value. And having no value outside of that. I also think a lot of PE inspired torn black and white is often times just terrible (it's like standing in the street and screaming "i'm fucking angry and i want you to know"), largely because it lacks originality/personal qualities (i think everyone can agree there is a lot of really poor shit out there, being poor "music") that separates it from the rest.
When buying a record or a tape, the artwork matters to me. I'm less likely to check something out i don't like the art (i'm sure many feel the same way) or the name.
Quote from: Johann on July 02, 2013, 04:37:24 AMsomething existing purely for shock value. And having no value outside of that.
Still a lot more appealing and life-affirming to me than Bono. The guy who does his 'fuck everyone who has cancer' tape and ripping wombs from dogs, obviously it's absurd and hilarious and I don't feel any great desire to check out the music, but I'm always happy to know there are people like that around instead of just another competent entertainer who wants people to rock out and forget their troubles after a hard week's work or pimp out phoney love songs.
With these kinds of themes in collage, some work and some don't. Art is a whole other thing from sound and it really helps if someone knows how to lay out the shapes on a page in a way that entrances the eye: it's not just about the themes.
I won't disagree with that, haha.
"With these kinds of themes in collage, some work and some don't. Art is a whole other thing from sound and it really helps if someone knows how to lay out the shapes on a page in a way that entrances the eye: it's not just about the themes." and this i completely agree with....theme is rather unimportant to me, and in art and music i tend to avoid anything that is to theme focused (personal preference)
Quote from: hsv on July 01, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
Christer Themptander is a Swedish collage/montage artist I really enjoy. Very 70's leftwing style satirical content but often pleasing to me on a purely aesthetical level.
This is quality.
Are Mokkelbost.
Paper collage series ION. Check top left menu.
http://www.b-o-r-g.org/ (http://www.b-o-r-g.org/)
i made this today
(http://i.imgur.com/hHDl8sB.jpg)
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 02, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
When the word "transgressive" is used, it always seems like the person is trying to play down being offended. I'm not sure I've ever come across an artist who has stated their intent is to be transgressive.
"Uninspired" in what way? For the artist or the viewer? I've seen some stuff that looked like it was pieced together with very little skill but I have no idea if they were inspired at the time of tearing everything up or not.
Uninspired might be the wrong word. Maybe it's overly inspired? "I really like the way this guy works with black and white porn pics mixed with old black and white pictures of war atrocities/medical photos... I wonder if I could do something similar". I can often appreciate that if it's well executed but as you said, often it's just sloppy. I would imagine that if someone puts together a bunch of "offensive" images with seemingly no effort or ambition to make it aesthetically interesting, then they're just working on "transgressive" themes. Or maybe it's their "fetish"/"obsession" haha...
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 30, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
Most are familiar with the mess I make already but there is some more at: www.bitewerks.blogspot.com and http://dieburninginchains.tumblr.com/
Last few pieces I've done (split with Coma Detox & split with SSRI) I've started using more original photography. I haven't done anything in awhile; I tend to do artwork when I have a release in the works. Got some ideas brewing now so may get back to work.
Do you take these photographs by yourself (and also 'develop' [don't know if that's the right word] them by yourself)? Or are these some found photographs? And if so, where do you go to find them? I'm very much interested in using original photgraphs by myself, but it's also kind of expensive, if you are not able to develop them in your own darkroom, so I rather stay with my cheap magazine cut-outs.
I just take digital photos then print them out on a photo printer. Quality is pretty good, not much different than getting 35mm photos developed somewhere.
Hah, yeah of course. Digital photo and printing it out... Didn't think about this possibility first.
If someone's interested:
http://decrepit-troglodyte.tumblr.com/ (http://decrepit-troglodyte.tumblr.com/)
As said, nothing special...but still, I like the process of putting these pieces together and then appreciate them on a very personal level.
More to follow, hopefully.
Let's talk about the used materials. I myself just use newspapers, advertisments, and other things you get for free. So I try to take some of those fancy pictures and make something else out of it. Something that matches my tastes. But I think, for the future, I will try to take more original photographs. So, what do you use as raw material for your collage works?
Quote from: cr on October 27, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Let's talk about the used materials. I myself just use newspapers, advertisments, and other things you get for free. So I try to take some of those fancy pictures and make something else out of it. Something that matches my tastes. But I think, for the future, I will try to take more original photographs. So, what do you use as raw material for your collage works?
This is an interesting angle. Technic and execution, method and materials, artistic conecept. Here is something to finally brood upon. I don't care where I get my source material from as long as it corresponds with thematics and visuals esthetic. I find that most of the stuff one gets via junk mail etc often are of no use, but then again if one is working from an angle in where the concept is related to the source material - why not?! I prefer original material which can be processed and degraded through various methods. Your local library, your own family portrait book or seedy newsstand should have the most. Type of glue is another issue. Depends on where you want to aim, and what you'd like it to look like. Having textures from crumbled paper is always good in my book. Anyways, wallpaper glue is a good thing, but then it is preferable to work on hard boards, not paper, since paper tend to bend and misshape after drying. Anyways, working in the medium of collage or any other field I think it is important that there is a correlation between theme, materials, execution and esthetics. This makes the best results.
I have developed much more of a filter when gathering material than I used to. It's at the point that now I can tell immediately if it's something I could use. For a long time I would gather as much shit as possible, push it around and never commit, and lots of it still sits in folders. Medical books, textbooks, scientific american magazine,
some porn, etc (no National geographic though). Lately it's been equally about texture/how the stuff was printed just as much as it's about content. I'm mostly drawn to old papers/degraded artifacts of offset lithography. I usually go to junk/antique shops and dig around. Surface texture of ink and rough quality of paper plays a key role. I photocopy things if i want them blown up or repeated, but often it is about making the most out of one piece of source material, everything carefully placed and doing its job. I'm also not really fond of the high contrast pure black on pure white in my own work. Sometimes however I will scan a collage and then appropriate it further.
Quote from: online prowler on October 28, 2013, 12:44:05 AM
Quote from: cr on October 27, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Let's talk about the used materials. I myself just use newspapers, advertisments, and other things you get for free. So I try to take some of those fancy pictures and make something else out of it. Something that matches my tastes. But I think, for the future, I will try to take more original photographs. So, what do you use as raw material for your collage works?
Type of glue is another issue. Depends on where you want to aim, and what you'd like it to look like.
I find YES paste or PVA glue (basically elmer's) to be the best for my purposes. Everything lies flat and smooth, and lasts much longer than rubber cement.
Durenstein!
Alternate Title Victorian Blood Book; "To Amy Lester Garland--A legacy left in his lifetime for her future examination by her affectionate father"
Creator Garland, John Bingley; Waugh, Evelyn, 1903-1966, former owner
Date September 1, 1854 (inscribed)
Description
Evelyn Waugh, whose manuscripts and 3,500-volume library are now at the Harry Ransom Center, University of Texas at Austin, was an inveterate collector of things Victorian (and well ahead of most of his contemporaries in this regard). Undoubtedly the single most curious object in the entire library is a large oblong folio decoupage book, often referred to as the "Victorian Blood Book."
Its decoupage was assembled from several hundred engravings, many taken from books of etchings by William Blake, as well as other illustrations from early nineteenth-century books. The principal motifs are natural (birds, animals, and especially snakes) and Christian (images of the crucifixion, scenes from the Bible, and crusaders). Drops of red india ink and extensive religious commentary have been added to many of the images. The craftsmanship is exquisite, and after more than 150 years, the adhesion of the decoupages is still perfect. The book bears an inscription by one John Bingley Garland to his daughter Amy and dated September 1, 1854: "A legacy left in his lifetime for her future examination by her affectionate father." Shortly afterwards, she married the Reverend Richard Pyper, so the album was probably an early wedding present.
A 2008 Maggs Brothers catalog includes a group of eccentric decoupages taken from one or more albums, described as being in the style of the Pre-Raphaelite artist Edward Burne-Jones. The style and content of these works, which feature groups of angels and blue or gold doves, are aptly described as "weird" and "rather elegant but very scary." They are unmistakably from the same hand as the Waugh book.
The existence of other such items suggests some kind of mass production, yet internal evidence indicates otherwise. John Bingley Garland was a prosperous Victorian businessman who moved to Newfoundland, went on to become speaker of its first Parliament, and returned to Stone Cottage in Dorset to end his days. A document still in the Garland family bears the same sanguinary ornamentation along with his signature. J. B. Garland's will mentions in passing "all the mythological paintings in the Library purchased by me in Italy"—perhaps a small clue to his artistic interests? Most importantly, the inscriptions in the dedication and the text are in the same hand. In recent years scholarship has focused on the significance of Victorian scrapbooking, which was almost exclusively the province of women. Scrapbooking was largely a means of organizing newspaper clippings and other information; the esthetic aspect was entirely secondary. In the lack of any information to the contrary, this apparently conventional paterfamilias must be regarded as the principal, if not the only, begetter of the decoupage, and if it was his alone, he must have spent hundreds of hours at the task.
How does one "read" such an enigmatic object? We understandably find elements of the grotesque and surreal. But our eyes view it differently from Victorian ones. As Garland's descendants have written, "our family doesn't refer to...'the Blood Book;' we refer to it as "Amy's Gift" and in no way see it as anything other than a precious reminder of the love of family and Our Lord."
The first plate contains a short table of contents and the title "Durenstein!" (Dürenstein, the Austrian castle in which Richard the Lionhearted was held captive). The title and the theme of many of the plates relates to the spiritual battles encountered by Christians along the path of life and the "blood" to Christian sacrifice. According to the Garland family, "it is full of symbols of both Human and Non-Human 'Crusaders and Protectors' of God and Christianity and most of the Verses, Quotes, etc are encouraging one to turn to God as our Saviour."
Language English
Format Collages; Scrapbooks
Extent 41 plates
Digital Object Type Still Image
Physical Collection Evelyn Waugh Collection
Collection Area Manuscripts & Archives
Digital Collection Evelyn Waugh's Victorian Blood Book
Collection Description Evelyn Waugh materials at the Ransom Center include manuscripts as well as his personal library and art collection.
Repository Harry Ransom Center, The University of Texas at Austin
Rights The Harry Ransom Center does not own the rights for this item. It is the responsibility of the user to determine the rights status and secure permissions for the use of this item.
Identifier Oversize Volume 1
Related Resource Evelyn Waugh materials at the Ransom Center include manuscripts as well as his personal library and art collection.
http://hrc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15878coll16/id/46/rec/1#nav_top
This looks amazing, thanks for posting!
I am still speechless O_O. really impressed.
DURENSTEIN!!!
THANX TINY TOVE! This is high quality works!!! Made my day total!
René Apallec
I don't know anything about this artist (yet), simply the little that says on the internet in English:
QuoteProbably, René Apallec was born in the last decade of the 19th century in the French region Bolbec. In 2007, there were discovered a hundred of collages with his signature in an attic of Toulouse.
We don't have much information about his life. Did he work as aidman in the First World War? There doesn't exist any document confirming this... It is possible that he lived two years in Le Havre before he found his love in Toulouse.
René Apallec worked out great part of his creations secretly and has always negated to expose his collages – especially the series « Feathered mythology » and « Gueules Cassées »(colloquial French expression for war invalids in the First World War, especially the ones with facial injuries) that he considered as politically incorrect... His collages are abound in references to the cinema, poetry, ancient myths, politics, war...
http://www.reneapallec.com (http://www.reneapallec.com)
Some outstanding art there.
(http://www.reneapallec.com/wp-content/uploads/gueule-cassee-apallec-125.jpg)
Thanx for the share. Interesting works.
Many new works added from an exhibition held back in September as well as collage based graphics for posters, etc. .
http://paulkerin.tumblr.com/
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/89/jhmh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/2hjhmhj)
So cool to see a collage art thread ! I've always been interested in this practice, even when making album artworks on photoshop I favored making xeroxed-looking collages. I started doing "real" xerox collages last year and it's a blast. You can see some of my work here : http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/ (http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/)
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Quote from: aischrolatreia on January 26, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Many new works added from an exhibition held back in September as well as collage based graphics for posters, etc. .
http://paulkerin.tumblr.com/
Great work, hope to see more in time.
ok i share here the blog of my work in progress art zine based on collage art.
i've just shared it in BLOGS topic but latins says repetita juvant
http://consunzione.tumblr.com/
negativepaperassembly.com (http://negativepaperassembly.com) is something worth checking out for those interested in much of the work discussed in this thread.
Most recently, released Negative Papers. Depravity Label still has copies, and I believe Apop, Timeless, Quimbys, etc.. should have copies soon if not already.
Buy: http://depravitylabel.bigcartel.com/product/negative-papers-zine (http://depravitylabel.bigcartel.com/product/negative-papers-zine)
More info: http://negativepaperassembly.com/negativepapers.html (http://negativepaperassembly.com/negativepapers.html)
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAklXQQPUHk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAklXQQPUHk)
(http://negativepaperassembly.com/05.jpg)
Oh, yeah, there is also Val Kilmer:
http://www.valkilmer.com/gallery/collages (http://www.valkilmer.com/gallery/collages)
(http://valkilmer.com/images/pics/85/untitled7.jpg)
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/quickfix/6/6/1/267661.jpg)
Some of my colleges, if interested:
http://paperbats.blogspot.com/ (http://paperbats.blogspot.com/)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cj-kE5thzqE/UERJkFhXFoI/AAAAAAAAAKg/v1-P-GVBQlY/s1600/col_img30.png)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s6ze7umSgZ0/UTe-AjxAWZI/AAAAAAAAALQ/auIRbFHj7tk/s1600/col_img27.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L8Sie5-ZKXU/UERIe5pXEeI/AAAAAAAAAKY/arU-Gt0dhhU/s1600/col_img09.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-00LhMfUQhCo/UERBABqnQtI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/wiCjpNC6TmM/s1600/col_img33.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DpOvNDx27Ak/UDxEby1MUVI/AAAAAAAAAFA/mOd0NSpx0pc/s1600/col_img06.jpg)
Intellegent dystopic collages:
Michael Hirschbichler.
(http://www.frameweb.com/media/files/hirschbichler-halle-ii-208663_slide.jpg)
http://www.frameweb.com/news/theatrum-orbis-terrarum-by-michael-hirschbichler (http://www.frameweb.com/news/theatrum-orbis-terrarum-by-michael-hirschbichler)
Some great stuff here:
http://ageometriadoabutre.wordpress.com/ (http://ageometriadoabutre.wordpress.com/)
vladimir.vacovsky
Did the new bitchneck tape
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/chadbigsby/imagejpg1_zpsa40f7e6b.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/chadbigsby/media/imagejpg1_zpsa40f7e6b.jpg.html)
I am releasing a zine (A5, 24.) of my collages. Everything xeroxed, no software used in the making of the collages or the zine copies.
I'm doing a first run of 10 copies, at a "pay what you want + shipping" rate. If you are interested get in touch via zalhietzli at gmail dot com.
Here are some samples of the original A4 collages :
(http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JBL-zn8-800x580.png)
(http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JBL-zn4-800x580.png)
(http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JBL-zn2-800x580.png)
(http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JBL-zn1-800x581.png)
Thought I'd add this here since this topic is also relevant, recently put out Nothing/Forever zine featuring collages by a few noise artists.
www.input-error.co.uk/nothingforever
The site currently has 2 publications and will be selling more collage related zines in the future.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/kKC3kZlOOVn6Mxtd7EE7lSAdEsSzfvb6ampnd9CqFwH6psbGX3SgEjz5wdxsWv7pnBarWYSzpCsItLlHhTqx8TLp=s489)
What interests me is, when you all going to glue and assemble a new piece of collage art, is there an overall topic or theme in your minds before you start or is it just randomly glueing some pieces together? In my first works it surely was just random "which piece fits to the next" but nowadays I at least try to find something which could make as an overall theme and represents my actual state of mind at the moment, if that sounds not too silly. Most difficult thing for me is to find good and fitting source material.
To me, when I can work on this (I seriously need a printer with photocopier asap), I always try to make it look like hmm, let's say painting(?) If that makes any sense. Like, to have a clear image where every piece makes sense and is in right place instead of just random chaos. Lust Vessel tape covers give a good idea what I mean. So for me, it definetly has to have overall theme and everything has to fit together and look good.
Updated my site with my new collages and stuff : http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr (http://jeanbaptisteleveque.fr)
To answer cr's question, I never start with a theme or idea, as my work is very abstract. The pieces I use are always pictures taken from books, xeroxed and zoomed. Sometimes it's a 141% zoom, sometimes 200, 400, 800... So I end up with very abstract textures and patterns that I try to arrange to create rhythm, constrasts etc. I just sift through my stock until something catch my eye, and I try to add it to the current collage, or I start another one on the side.
My paper collages archive: http://lamashtu.net/collages/
I was releasing them in paper zine format between 2007 and 2011, but due to lack of space and being overwhelmed by filmprojects, had to put it on hiatus. Now that my last movie is finished, I shall get back to it later this year.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6kchDKAR1rkwneso5_1280.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6jvaJJt21rkwneso1_1280.jpg)
Captivating work
I have just published a new series of collages, "Dialectique de la misère sexuelle".
http://bit.ly/1FRSPhw (http://bit.ly/1FRSPhw)
They were made for the VHS release of my first feature film, Théorie de la religion, by King of the Witches. A few are still available.
http://bit.ly/1zR844r (http://bit.ly/1zR844r)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/f387a905326bb78e0a16179b1eab56c6/tumblr_nmthsmHF6r1rkwneso1_500.jpg)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e91ffa79f84f55142d0b53cfd9e49b84/tumblr_nmthsmHF6r1rkwneso6_500.jpg)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/23730b6ae8743e159ae7b512f0719734/tumblr_nmthsmHF6r1rkwneso7_500.jpg)
(http://payload329.cargocollective.com/1/16/522189/8882289/1-copy_670.jpg)(http://payload329.cargocollective.com/1/16/522189/8882289/9_670.jpeg)
have a solo show up of collages & xerox monotypes at 174 E toole in Tucson AZ if anyones in the Southwest for some reason. Opening was last friday with performances from Shredded Nerve, Kiran Arora, Scant, Marshstepper & SW Dead Technologies Assembly. Shoot me a PM if anyone want to get into the space. more digital images up here_ http://cargocollective.com/derrickspottsart
Kate Rissiek / RUSALKA:
http://aladyofice.blogspot.ca/
Felicia / MASTURBATORY DYSFUNCTION:
http://bloodshop.bigcartel.com/product/masturbatory-dysfunction-my-diary-mini-cd
QuoteFelicia / MASTURBATORY DYSFUNCTION:
http://bloodshop.bigcartel.com/product/masturbatory-dysfunction-my-diary-mini-cd
Thxxx :)
Here is a photo of a very...very....very small portion of collage material for an upcoming release of mine:
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Various pixxx I take of this project I usually post to google+. If you're interested in seeing more, get in touch or add me to your g+ circle <3
So, how do all you collage makers start with a new work? From a blank page or, like I prefer sometimes, from a hole page constisting of an interesting photograph or whatever, then glue and assemble the other chosen pieces onto this page and create something very different out of it?
As I just mentioned in Playlist topic listening to lots of Mania, one cannot forget the great collage works accompanying them.
So I thought that it would be great to have these for example collected in a book apart from the releases. I would immediately buy a book with collage works from Mr. Brewer, Mr. Aspa or Mr. Markkula - maybe something in the form like the You Are Worth It book.
Still disappointed that the long announced Kristian Olsson book on Autarkeia didn't come to life.
Quote from: cr on November 27, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
As I just mentioned in Playlist topic listening to lots of Mania, one cannot forget the great collage works accompanying them.
So I thought that it would be great to have these for example collected in a book apart from the releases. I would immediately buy a book with collage works from Mr. Brewer, Mr. Aspa or Mr. Markkula - maybe something in the form like the You Are Worth It book.
Still disappointed that the long announced Kristian Olsson book on Autarkeia didn't come to life.
a book by Philip best of his collages is imminent via martin bladh's imprint
there seems to still be fanzine collages in circulation-b&w being cheap but potentially poor in reproduction
also quite a few cassette covers are collage
apologies not needed.
rough reproduction is not bad production
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 27, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
a book by Philip best of his collages is imminent via martin bladh's imprint
Thanks for the information! Didn't know about this.
Quote from: cr on December 03, 2016, 07:06:54 PM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on November 27, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
a book by Philip best of his collages is imminent via martin bladh's imprint
Thanks for the information! Didn't know about this.
at £55 plus postage, not for everybody
Been on a kick of tearing up old collages and repurposing them into new ones for a while now. Nice to destroy the past and look toward the future.
Cutting up some of my bigger, space-taking coffee table books for material, ran into a funny coincidence - looking in A Day In The Life Of Australia (DITLA, 1981), was cutting out a picture of a prostitute hanging outside her door and noticed a sign that said "ring bell for service." Thought, "where have I seen that before?" Pulled out Climax Denial's Genitalization of the Void tape, and there it is. I guess Jim/Fusty Cunt and I have similar collage tendencies, haha...
destroying books-I know it happens but when confessed to, it sounds like heresy!
A couple of my recent collages
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https://www.amazon.ca/Collages-Reliefs-1910-1945-Hiller-Heliographs/dp/B0006ED7N2
"Ancient Future" by DANGER aka Dan Wininger is really good in my opinion. Published by Input Error, if you don't have it already.
By the way, most of the stuff, Input Error puts out, is of high quality!
Some examples from the website:
https://dangercollage.blogspot.com/ (https://dangercollage.blogspot.com/)
Do you guys have some recommendations on text/video/audio resources about about the act of collage itself, be it "techniques", people doing it, interviews, articles about artists or something like that?
(Crossthreading) Documentaries and podcasts even if not solely focused on collage art too are welcome.
Latest one I made (cut-and-paste only)
(https://i.ibb.co/Zm8bgZg/col-01-mal.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kwq8s1s)
Quote from: EXU on April 04, 2019, 05:36:47 AM
Do you guys have some recommendations on text/video/audio resources about about the act of collage itself, be it "techniques", people doing it, interviews, articles about artists or something like that?
(Crossthreading) Documentaries and podcasts even if not solely focused on collage art too are welcome.
"How to Draw a Bunny" documentary on Mail Artist Ray Johnson
https://vimeo.com/110857936
I really like collages, though I have not been making them for a long time. I enjoy the process of cutting out pictures and text made by others, and then compiling them into my own creation. I especially like to use weird, unedited pieces of text, and clear tape as materials.
I actually came in second place at the Militant Zone art contest in 2018 (http://militant.zone/art2018/). Supposedly the winners were going to have their work displayed at the Asgardsrei 2018 festival, but I was never able to find any pictures that would confirm whether or not they were. I would really appreciate it if someone can shed any light on this.
Russian industiral musiciand and artist Alexander Lebedev-Frontov:
http://www.nb-info.ru/art/lf/index.html
Quote from: xrownerx on October 02, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
Russian industiral musiciand and artist Alexander Lebedev-Frontov:
http://www.nb-info.ru/art/lf/index.html
Great stuff!
I'll add a couple of favorites who are friends of mine:
Bradley Kokay (This site has the best of his work, but can't hotlink it here, his instagram was recently banned/deleted:)
https://www.artwanted.com//artist.cfm?artid=55248
ILTH
https://www.instagram.com/christopher_ilth/?hl=en
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IiY46R2qdNs/TrKA6kjFolI/AAAAAAAAAl0/H-g7jDyVbfE/s1600/CHRISTOPHER4.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-de8LBdQbhxk/TrKA6qmsLbI/AAAAAAAAAmA/6yCT1m0pRVI/s1600/CHRISTOPHER8.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lrACZUhD-Xk/TrKA6yczGHI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/x2VgW53fXbI/s1600/CHRISTOPHER6.jpg)
Quote from: xrownerx on October 02, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
Russian industiral musiciand and artist Alexander Lebedev-Frontov:
http://www.nb-info.ru/art/lf/index.html
Wow this stuff is all awesome! Reminds me of some of the NSK State art that I have seen.
Has anybody bought the Rozz Williams Art Book? I have seen a video of someone paging through it, and it doesn't seem to have that much collage art. I'm sure there are some decent flyers and other background info, but I guess it's a pretty penny, so I'm not sure if I'd buy it yet.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71P4XG6GGML.jpg)
Some great stuff in here, thanks for all the links.
My own collages are pretty simple and basic, and mostly made up of faces from found photos and flowers or buildings from ol dpostcards I've collected. Here's a few if you fancy a look: https://sadneck.wordpress.com/visual/
Quote from: sadneck on January 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Some great stuff in here, thanks for all the links.
My own collages are pretty simple and basic, and mostly made up of faces from found photos and flowers or buildings from ol dpostcards I've collected. Here's a few if you fancy a look: https://sadneck.wordpress.com/visual/
(https://sadneck.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/img_20170810_215141_842.jpg?w=656)
i think you've got a good thing going. I like this one especially. The idea of these things in a frame at an art gallery have a certain quaintness to them that would be complimentary to eachother as a body of work in a solo showing, especially if you stuck to mainly found photos. I personally have collected a number of found photos as "ready mades". I just like the graininess of them, especially with amateur portraiture. It would be interesting to see how your work evolves. I am not good at minimalism. I tend to be a chaotic maniac with collage and try to cram too many ideas into one piece.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on January 21, 2020, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: sadneck on January 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Some great stuff in here, thanks for all the links.
My own collages are pretty simple and basic, and mostly made up of faces from found photos and flowers or buildings from ol dpostcards I've collected. Here's a few if you fancy a look: https://sadneck.wordpress.com/visual/
(https://sadneck.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/img_20170810_215141_842.jpg?w=656)
i think you've got a good thing going. I like this one especially. The idea of these things in a frame at an art gallery have a certain quaintness to them that would be complimentary to eachother as a body of work in a solo showing, especially if you stuck to mainly found photos. I personally have collected a number of found photos as "ready mades". I just like the graininess of them, especially with amateur portraiture. It would be interesting to see how your work evolves. I am not good at minimalism. I tend to be a chaotic maniac with collage and try to cram too many ideas into one piece.
That's very kind of you, thank you. Found photos alone are great, I agree. I do some times keep some as they are.
I think my minimalist approach comes from being impatient - I want to finish things quickly and move onto something new straight away. Otherwise I get over critical and over work a piece until it becomes something that I dislike or don't feel fits in with what I'm trying to achieve. Most stuff I do enjoy of others tends to be far more chaotic than my own.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on December 27, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
Has anybody bought the Rozz Williams Art Book? I have seen a video of someone paging through it, and it doesn't seem to have that much collage art. I'm sure there are some decent flyers and other background info, but I guess it's a pretty penny, so I'm not sure if I'd buy it yet.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71P4XG6GGML.jpg)
very expensive on ebay :O
Got this book The Art of Collage book recently. Very cool, a big compilation of various collage works from a big variation of artists. And a lot of it is very interesting, maybe not all but with 300+ pages there is a lots of good work (although don't expect much sex & filth, it's not a noise perverts guide to collage). Great way to get some new ideas. Printed on nice heavy paper too.
Explanation of works could be a bit less pompous and the "this work is transcendental for showing flaws of society blah blah blah" is a bit to overstated with most artists, but I guess that's how they get accepted in galleries and such, would be better with personal stories from artist but we can't have all I guess.
Book isn't cheap but quality is definitely there!
(https://i.imgur.com/Sn5fbwl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2ObYEA1.jpg)
Quote from: W.K. on December 20, 2021, 12:54:42 AM
Got this book The Art of Collage book recently. Very cool, a big compilation of various collage works from a big variation of artists. And a lot of it is very interesting, maybe not all but with 300+ pages there is a lots of good work (although don't expect much sex & filth, it's not a noise perverts guide to collage). Great way to get some new ideas. Printed on nice heavy paper too.
Explanation of works could be a bit less pompous and the "this work is transcendental for showing flaws of society blah blah blah" is a bit to overstated with most artists, but I guess that's how they get accepted in galleries and such, would be better with personal stories from artist but we can't have all I guess.
Book isn't cheap but quality is definitely there!
(https://i.imgur.com/Sn5fbwl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2ObYEA1.jpg)
Thanks for recommendation! Received it today as Christmas gift for myself. Looking forward to dig deeper into this in the next couple days.
Hi, does someone know a book with collage art from the noise scene? It should be with provocative artwork and all that stuff! :-)
I found recently this:
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/products/kate-rissiek-analogue-paper-dreams-book
But maybe it's too feminine for me...
Quote from: whitewinter on February 18, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
Hi, does someone know a book with collage art from the noise scene? It should be with provocative artwork and all that stuff! :-)
I found recently this:
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/products/kate-rissiek-analogue-paper-dreams-book
But maybe it's too feminine for me...
I would be interested in a book-length collection of noise collages as well.
There are a few zines around that did this (Wrath - "Visual Depravity" and Manuel Pereira's "Slice of Cunt" come to mind, but I am sure that there are many more that I do not know of). Infinity Land Press also has a good selection of art books that explore noise-related themes.
Hello I have some stuff to share over here. I have experimented some collage into unusual places such as well,
, gun turret, bunker, cold chambers etc...
have a look on it, and don't hesitate to leave a comment !
https://archive.org/details/@neue_reagenzien
A.F
Quote from: whitewinter on February 18, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
Hi, does someone know a book with collage art from the noise scene? It should be with provocative artwork and all that stuff! :-)
I found recently this:
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/products/kate-rissiek-analogue-paper-dreams-book
But maybe it's too feminine for me...
A few years back I put out five issues of a collage zine called Nothing/Forever on my site
input-error.co.uk (https://www.input-error.co.uk/) . Might not be quite what you're looking for, but a number of noise artists had their work in there, including Luke Tandy, P. van Trigt, Matteo Castro, Niels Geybels, Zen Zsigo, Kate Rissiek, and Richard Rupenus. They're long sold out now, and I've not uploaded them anywhere yet, but you can check some of the previews on instagram here:
Issue 1- https://www.instagram.com/p/zSmBSHEpEp/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/zSmK5gkpE8/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/zSmNnNkpFE/
Issue 2- https://www.instagram.com/p/6A8cP1EpK1/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/6A8gmZkpLE/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/6A8jIdEpLN/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/6A8kWGkpLP/
Issue 3- https://www.instagram.com/p/BC5l2wpkpOu/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BC5mK8tkpPj/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BC5mOC7EpPu/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BC5mRNJkpP1/
Issue 4- https://www.instagram.com/p/BM1n-r6hKlc/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BM1oRt5BHem/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/BM1oXNxBKhd/
Issue 5- https://www.instagram.com/p/BVcfgYmgvbB/
I'd also highly recommend Kate's book, which you can still buy at her store here:
https://rusalka.org/shop/
Love this thread. Never posted here but seems this is one I can throw my hat into.
Been making collage for a long while
Started actually posting them on this account
https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/ (https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/)
Picked it up in a psych ward got "sober" and never stopped
Have made some covers for some noise folk but mostly do it while listening to stuff and just do it to stay busy and sane
Quote from: Lithium_toxicity on July 24, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
Love this thread. Never posted here but seems this is one I can throw my hat into.
Been making collage for a long while
Started actually posting them on this account
https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/ (https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/)
Picked it up in a psych ward got "sober" and never stopped
Have made some covers for some noise folk but mostly do it while listening to stuff and just do it to stay busy and sane
What is your process to make these? I really like your focus on texture.
(https://i.imgur.com/FeIdcQl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6VkE3RN.png)
- the GAN seems to know more about 'collage' in the sense of 'iphone app to edit your holiday snaps' than 'serious industrial culture photocopy art'
(https://i.imgur.com/8rh6X7f.png)
uuh.
(https://i.imgur.com/yLeZdjs.png)
Quote from: Cementimental on July 24, 2022, 08:59:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FeIdcQl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6VkE3RN.png)
- the GAN seems to know more about 'collage' in the sense of 'iphone app to edit your holiday snaps' than 'serious industrial culture photocopy art'
(https://i.imgur.com/8rh6X7f.png)
uuh.
(https://i.imgur.com/yLeZdjs.png)
The "power electronics photocopy collage" has a nice humor to it!
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 24, 2022, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: Lithium_toxicity on July 24, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
Love this thread. Never posted here but seems this is one I can throw my hat into.
Been making collage for a long while
Started actually posting them on this account
https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/ (https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/)
Picked it up in a psych ward got "sober" and never stopped
Have made some covers for some noise folk but mostly do it while listening to stuff and just do it to stay busy and sane
What is your process to make these? I really like your focus on texture.
Thank you, yeah texture is a large if not main focus on most of these.
Well It's all physical cut up magazines etc.
At first I just did color ones (you can see those at the beginning of the account)
Then since I work construction and get long boring breaks I got some app to make my own efx chains to make them how I wanted(inspired obviously by xerox tape covers and posters but I tried to make it a little diffrent then just trying to emulate outdated machines)
Quote from: Lithium_toxicity on July 28, 2022, 04:37:29 PM
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on July 24, 2022, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: Lithium_toxicity on July 24, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
Love this thread. Never posted here but seems this is one I can throw my hat into.
Been making collage for a long while
Started actually posting them on this account
https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/ (https://www.instagram.com/alonewithlabor/)
Picked it up in a psych ward got "sober" and never stopped
Have made some covers for some noise folk but mostly do it while listening to stuff and just do it to stay busy and sane
What is your process to make these? I really like your focus on texture.
Thank you, yeah texture is a large if not main focus on most of these.
Well It's all physical cut up magazines etc.
At first I just did color ones (you can see those at the beginning of the account)
Then since I work construction and get long boring breaks I got some app to make my own efx chains to make them how I wanted(inspired obviously by xerox tape covers and posters but I tried to make it a little diffrent then just trying to emulate outdated machines)
Cool. What efx do you use?
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on February 18, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: whitewinter on February 18, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
Hi, does someone know a book with collage art from the noise scene? It should be with provocative artwork and all that stuff! :-)
I found recently this:
https://whitecentipedenoise.com/products/kate-rissiek-analogue-paper-dreams-book
But maybe it's too feminine for me...
I would be interested in a book-length collection of noise collages as well.
Kate Rissiek "Analogue paper dreams" book is very good. I came already while ago, but still available. Ordered my just like month ago. I like a lot of "noise collages", but have to admit that popularity of the craft, and context of being done for perhaps tape covers and such, probably influences a lot how the collage is done. There are certain parameters where work may be attempted to fit, while collage art could be more.
Of course, some of these "gimmicks" like making collage on mannequin doll, is something you tend to see frequently. But at the same time, it is not THAT frequent as would be bunch of high contrast xeroxes ripped in random slices and glued together. Rissieks book has exactly that, some object collages. Parts of mannequin doll is covered with tasty collages. What is her advantage, is that she has pretty distinctive style. Certain geometric approach that ain't so typical for "noise artists" who often approach collage as chaotically as noise. Rissiek has a lot of very sharp, but nevetheless hand cut square/rectangle shaped in the collages. I don't mean those shapes as corners that there would have been laziness like sometimes you see stuff like Philip Best, who takes two pages together and that's that. Interesting as conceptual piece perhaps, but technically not that special. Rissiek is technically excellent, and compositionally excellent. There is always idea and visual composition plus occasional slightly transgressive element to it. Feminine? Well, I don't know, I'd rather say it has artistic merit in composition, as opposed to just piling up bunch of obscenities as collage?
And not that I would not like obscenities piled up. The huge bizarre uproar rape africa poster hangs in my work, being delight to watch every day..
If someone is hesitating with Kate Rissiek book, I'd say its certainly worth to grab. Also her "philosophy", the ideas of the collage was presented in two page essay on Untitled #1 (canadian noise related zine). That would have been probably great foreword for the book itself too!
https://rusalka.org/shop/
Some of the new artwork for the upcoming Hate Sermon release "Children of God".
https://suspiciousactivitylabel.blogspot.com/2023/01/new-collages.html?m=1
I also made some collages for some zines, but my GF has a collage instagram.
Feel free to follow her: https://www.instagram.com/gluewithlove/
QuoteThomas Kong (January 16, 1950 - May 1, 2023) was an artist working in collage and assemblage, using advertising, packaging and other surplus material from his convenience store, Kim's Corner Food, located in the Rogers Park neighborhood of Chicago.
In the 17 years that Kong operated Kim's Corner Food, the store featured an evolving installation of his work, and was open to customers and visitors 7 days a week.
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/05/03/thomas-kong-chicago-artist-obituary
https://thomaskong.biz/
free pdf book: https://halfletterpress.com/at-work-with-thomas-kong-pdf
Quote from: Johann on July 02, 2013, 04:37:24 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 02, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
When the word "transgressive" is used, it always seems like the person is trying to play down being offended. I'm not sure I've ever come across an artist who has stated their intent is to be transgressive.
"Uninspired" in what way? For the artist or the viewer? I've seen some stuff that looked like it was pieced together with very little skill but I have no idea if they were inspired at the time of tearing everything up or not.
When i think transgression, i think of something existing purely for shock value. And having no value outside of that. I also think a lot of PE inspired torn black and white is often times just terrible (it's like standing in the street and screaming "i'm fucking angry and i want you to know"), largely because it lacks originality/personal qualities (i think everyone can agree there is a lot of really poor shit out there, being poor "music") that separates it from the rest.
When buying a record or a tape, the artwork matters to me. I'm less likely to check something out i don't like the art (i'm sure many feel the same way) or the name.
I don't agree with this. Every society has taboos. In our society, taboos are shifting constantly. Transgressive art merely brushes up against or crosses over the line of the taboo to either affirm it OR to challenge it and find its hypocrisy. One can tell the difference between meathead shock jock shit or something that genuinely transgressive that clarifies something about our culture.
Quote from: AdamLehrerImageMaker on May 19, 2023, 06:43:34 PM
Quote from: Johann on July 02, 2013, 04:37:24 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 02, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
When the word "transgressive" is used, it always seems like the person is trying to play down being offended. I'm not sure I've ever come across an artist who has stated their intent is to be transgressive.
"Uninspired" in what way? For the artist or the viewer? I've seen some stuff that looked like it was pieced together with very little skill but I have no idea if they were inspired at the time of tearing everything up or not.
When i think transgression, i think of something existing purely for shock value. And having no value outside of that. I also think a lot of PE inspired torn black and white is often times just terrible (it's like standing in the street and screaming "i'm fucking angry and i want you to know"), largely because it lacks originality/personal qualities (i think everyone can agree there is a lot of really poor shit out there, being poor "music") that separates it from the rest.
When buying a record or a tape, the artwork matters to me. I'm less likely to check something out i don't like the art (i'm sure many feel the same way) or the name.
I don't agree with this. Every society has taboos. In our society, taboos are shifting constantly. Transgressive art merely brushes up against or crosses over the line of the taboo to either affirm it OR to challenge it and find its hypocrisy. One can tell the difference between meathead shock jock shit or something that genuinely transgressive that clarifies something about our culture.
It's hard to know completely where I was coming from exactly (the quoted post is 10 years old) and I'm not sure if I'm responding to Keith or Keith to me, or what the other talk is around the quote. My expressed opinion wasn't very fleshed out, but I'll do my best to address it.
I think I largely feel the same way, I'm not interested in artistic expression (regardless of medium) exploring "taboo/transgression" as much as I am looking for something that's coming from a genuine place (if their interest is "transgressive" to some, so be it). I don't believe in restrictions of expression and if I'm not interested in the output or I think it's aesthetically uninteresting I'll probably ignore it. I think you can definitely tell who is for real but the expression itself still has to be interesting.
That said, I still think there is a lot of stuff produced that is not genuine (or if it is, maybe I find it still immature) and that's what I think of as "shock value" style stuff. Tons of people attempt to express how dangerous they are through expression in one of the safest communities around (reminds me of, I think the WCN interview with Noisewidow). I find a lot of the stuff cringey, weird male rights stuff, weak exploration of political ideas, accompanied by bad sound (ie unoriginal) and especially now hyper branded (aesthetically) to an audience looking for objects to express identity and post on social media feeds.
Regarding something "genuinely transgressing", I'd be curious to know what you think is accomplishing this in 2023. Specifically are we talking about inside or outside the community?
Broad question of course, but transgression comes in many forms. The HBO series Euphoria, which initially presents itself as an utterly disposable zoomer entertainment product, then unleashes an onslaught of deeply deeply unsettling but ultimately very relatable and reflective concepts about addiction, sexual anxiety, the terror of youth. Cheesy? Yeah, mostly. Powerful? At times, very much so.
I mean this is also a silly question because anything that is upsetting thoughtless people to the degree that they aren't even willing to look past their own viases around it is an essentially transgressive act or art work. This might be more important than ever given the extreme censoriousness of the liberal do gooders in the west — those who wave their fingers at the peasants and say "you musn't say that" while they then unleash torrents of missiles upon the middle east or wherever — and the need to undermine these hypocrisies.
As much as I'm sure at least half the people on here will hate that I'm saying this, the 2016 campaign of Trump, his election, and all that followed (nonstop media hysteria, russiagate, Bush era spooks responsible for the death of millions accusing anonymous twitter users of fascism, etc) is the only really transgressive thing, or perhaps art, of this era. For a brief window, everyone in America understood intimately that our politics were a hollow shit show where monsters claim to be victims and killers claim to be heroes and liars claim to be impartial arbiters of truth.
Is it transgressive to use porn and serial killer imagery in collage? No, not really. Is it transgressive to force people to confront their own moral and ideological and social and political hypocrisies and limitations? Yes. And it is and always will be vital. Shakespeare was a transgressive artist. Melville was a transgressive artist. Etc.
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When the word "transgressive" is used, it always seems like the person is trying to play down being offended. I'm not sure I've ever come across an artist who has stated their intent is to be transgressive.
"Uninspired" in what way? For the artist or the viewer? I've seen some stuff that looked like it was pieced together with very little skill but I have no idea if they were inspired at the time of tearing everything up or not.
When i think transgression, i think of something existing purely for shock value. And having no value outside of that. I also think a lot of PE inspired torn black and white is often times just terrible (it's like standing in the street and screaming "i'm fucking angry and i want you to know"), largely because it lacks originality/personal qualities (i think everyone can agree there is a lot of really poor shit out there, being poor "music") that separates it from the rest.
When buying a record or a tape, the artwork matters to me. I'm less likely to check something out i don't like the art (i'm sure many feel the same way) or the name.
I don't agree with this. Every society has taboos. In our society, taboos are shifting constantly. Transgressive art merely brushes up against or crosses over the line of the taboo to either affirm it OR to challenge it and find its hypocrisy. One can tell the difference between meathead shock jock shit or something that genuinely transgressive that clarifies something about our culture.
It's hard to know completely where I was coming from exactly (the quoted post is 10 years old) and I'm not sure if I'm responding to Keith or Keith to me, or what the other talk is around the quote. My expressed opinion wasn't very fleshed out, but I'll do my best to address it.
I think I largely feel the same way, I'm not interested in artistic expression (regardless of medium) exploring "taboo/transgression" as much as I am looking for something that's coming from a genuine place (if their interest is "transgressive" to some, so be it). I don't believe in restrictions of expression and if I'm not interested in the output or I think it's aesthetically uninteresting I'll probably ignore it. I think you can definitely tell who is for real but the expression itself still has to be interesting.
That said, I still think there is a lot of stuff produced that is not genuine (or if it is, maybe I find it still immature) and that's what I think of as "shock value" style stuff. Tons of people attempt to express how dangerous they are through expression in one of the safest communities around (reminds me of, I think the WCN interview with Noisewidow). I find a lot of the stuff cringey, weird male rights stuff, weak exploration of political ideas, accompanied by bad sound (ie unoriginal) and especially now hyper branded (aesthetically) to an audience looking for objects to express identity and post on social media feeds.
Regarding something "genuinely transgressing", I'd be curious to know what you think is accomplishing this in 2023. Specifically are we talking about inside or outside the community?
QuoteAs much as I'm sure at least half the people on here will hate that I'm saying this, the 2016 campaign of Trump, his election, and all that followed (nonstop media hysteria, russiagate, Bush era spooks responsible for the death of millions accusing anonymous twitter users of fascism, etc) is the only really transgressive thing, or perhaps art, of this era. For a brief window, everyone in America understood intimately that our politics were a hollow shit show where monsters claim to be victims and killers claim to be heroes and liars claim to be impartial arbiters of truth.
Is it art when it is not a conscious creation but a result of just being, in this case Ttrump's actions. Politics is just showbusiness for ugly people after all....
Lately, I've been using collages more and more in the design of my releases. Still, two-dimensional space and the simplest processing tools provide an almost inexhaustible opportunity to squeeze the maximum out of any junk, often without even having to change the source materials.
Competent collage allows you to set almost any context for the work, and most importantly - the context is sensual, emotional (nothing conditioned or mediated elaboration of the symbol), and taking into account the content itself, the effect only becomes thicker. It turns out a kind of context in the context, which generally deprives any need for something to prepare the listener and something to explain to him. Just play it on, watch and listen. I really strive to implement this approach to perfection.
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QuoteAs much as I'm sure at least half the people on here will hate that I'm saying this, the 2016 campaign of Trump, his election, and all that followed (nonstop media hysteria, russiagate, Bush era spooks responsible for the death of millions accusing anonymous twitter users of fascism, etc) is the only really transgressive thing, or perhaps art, of this era. For a brief window, everyone in America understood intimately that our politics were a hollow shit show where monsters claim to be victims and killers claim to be heroes and liars claim to be impartial arbiters of truth.
Is it art when it is not a conscious creation but a result of just being, in this case Ttrump's actions. Politics is just showbusiness for ugly people after all....
Maybe Trump is not the artists, but the artist is the collective behind it?
I do think notion of art is interesting also from perspective that are there situations where art is no longer welcomed, as it is seen to distract or confuse something more important. Like politics, for example. To bring art into place where it is not wanted or usually not understood.
As example, during the immigrant crisis, Finland has uprise of street patrols, one of most visible was Soldiers of Odin crew, with hundreds of people. As opposition, antifascists had LOLdiers of Odin group, that was people dressed in clowns making fun of situation. Of course media was loving it, and invited three clowns into live morning TV. Media people, who were clearly prepared to talk real politics, real issues, faced clowns who... kept acting like clowns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMg-b9bJY8
As a result, entire nation was laughing either to media or antifascists or entire situation. It appeared that most people did not "get it". Especially regular folks were abhorred, that we face this important political debate and it turns into joke. Anti-immigrant people laughed for absurdity that antifascists supposedly wasted their chance to voice opinion at media. Some serious antifascists had same concerns. Why not bring solid arguments to table? In re-runs, TV station edited away entire segment of show and decided not to air it anymore. What it really shows, is that anytime TV hosts asks question that has certain political bias and strawman argument in it, clowns offer "hobby horse" (in finnish language keppihevonen, hobby horse, doesn't mean only topic about which someone loves to talk at great length, but can mean close the same as strawman argument. Like using rape threat as argument to oppress all incoming immigrants). In about 3 minutes part of mention clip you'll see pretty great moment when journalist appear totally miss the point. Any time when seemingly serious question is asked, clowns just keep goofing around and replying to questions of safety of streets with repeating "we also have hobby horse"!
Of course, a lot of people get it, but it seemed clear that vast majority did not.
Almost like Laibach -moment, where the system is exposed, and system is unable to respond and becomes confused, when art unexpectedly takes over and refuses to play in terms of normally agreed.
Does the confusion and performance art work when arena is something else than it is supposed to be? Of course we are no longer talking about "collage art" here, but I do feel there is very common idea that art is the expression that happens in some sort of own artistic space, for entertainment purposes of art lovers and then the real arena of politics, business or whatever, is for grown ups and serious biz not to be played with.
Yet, in moment when interview seems to be purposeful, almost scripted routine, suddenly exposing it to laughable joke, it is very clear the art exposes its nature, while concerned intelligent political responponse would have given question legitimate authority, not exposed what the questions really are.
I realize that some argue that this is dangerous zone, if we can't anymore trust if we are dealing with something "real" or just weird spectacle. Well, indeed! One can look into politics or economy, and wonder if any other than artistic reply would be worth consideration?
Source materials? I already asked some years ago, but as I'm always looking for different sources, I'd like to ask again: What are your favourites, and where do you get them from?
I know, I could just open Google and search for some good pictures, print and copy them or whatever...but that's not what I want.
I like it more "physical" from the beginning of the process, if you know what I mean.
Thanks!
Quote from: cr on September 05, 2023, 05:01:44 PMSource materials? I already asked some years ago, but as I'm always looking for different sources, I'd like to ask again: What are your favourites, and where do you get them from?
I know, I could just open Google and search for some good pictures, print and copy them or whatever...but that's not what I want.
I like it more "physical" from the beginning of the process, if you know what I mean.
Thanks!
I can't work with Google when I make collages. The ability to find almost any image I might want, though it might seem like a benefit, is actually detrimental. It creates choice paralysis, and would, I think, eventually lead me to just start copying others to an even greater extent than I already do.
In order to offset this, I just subscribe to a few newspapers and magazines. I make sure to go through them and look at all pictures/articles, and then cut out whatever is interesting or potentially useful. I then sort them into various files and boxes.
Every once in a while, I also find some interesting trash on the ground too...
I agree Mikko, the following that he built has something magic upon it. And the beauty of it is so simple "Make America Great Again." It's hardly a provocative sentiment, it's a nice sentiment, one that Americans largely agree with. Let's make it great again. Let's make schools better. Let's improve the infrastructure. Let's tighten the border. Get control of our great cities.
And yet, such a simple message is treated by the media as nothing short of evil. This signals one thing: they don't want America to be great again. They want to keep running it into the ground, funding their special ops and their misbegotten military expeditions and the armed conflicts that have nothing to do with America other than boosting the bottom line of Raytheon.
I'm rambling of course, but it should surprise no one that again Trump is the man being turned to in this dark moment. Compared to the average DC politico or spook, he's relatable. He's relatable in his flaws. He hasn't been outright infected with machine logic. He believes it shouldn't be so difficult to just improve America.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 10, 2023, 10:00:41 AMQuote from: cantle on June 09, 2023, 04:42:43 PMQuoteAs much as I'm sure at least half the people on here will hate that I'm saying this, the 2016 campaign of Trump, his election, and all that followed (nonstop media hysteria, russiagate, Bush era spooks responsible for the death of millions accusing anonymous twitter users of fascism, etc) is the only really transgressive thing, or perhaps art, of this era. For a brief window, everyone in America understood intimately that our politics were a hollow shit show where monsters claim to be victims and killers claim to be heroes and liars claim to be impartial arbiters of truth.
Is it art when it is not a conscious creation but a result of just being, in this case Ttrump's actions. Politics is just showbusiness for ugly people after all....
Maybe Trump is not the artists, but the artist is the collective behind it?
I do think notion of art is interesting also from perspective that are there situations where art is no longer welcomed, as it is seen to distract or confuse something more important. Like politics, for example. To bring art into place where it is not wanted or usually not understood.
As example, during the immigrant crisis, Finland has uprise of street patrols, one of most visible was Soldiers of Odin crew, with hundreds of people. As opposition, antifascists had LOLdiers of Odin group, that was people dressed in clowns making fun of situation. Of course media was loving it, and invited three clowns into live morning TV. Media people, who were clearly prepared to talk real politics, real issues, faced clowns who... kept acting like clowns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMg-b9bJY8
As a result, entire nation was laughing either to media or antifascists or entire situation. It appeared that most people did not "get it". Especially regular folks were abhorred, that we face this important political debate and it turns into joke. Anti-immigrant people laughed for absurdity that antifascists supposedly wasted their chance to voice opinion at media. Some serious antifascists had same concerns. Why not bring solid arguments to table? In re-runs, TV station edited away entire segment of show and decided not to air it anymore. What it really shows, is that anytime TV hosts asks question that has certain political bias and strawman argument in it, clowns offer "hobby horse" (in finnish language keppihevonen, hobby horse, doesn't mean only topic about which someone loves to talk at great length, but can mean close the same as strawman argument. Like using rape threat as argument to oppress all incoming immigrants). In about 3 minutes part of mention clip you'll see pretty great moment when journalist appear totally miss the point. Any time when seemingly serious question is asked, clowns just keep goofing around and replying to questions of safety of streets with repeating "we also have hobby horse"!
Of course, a lot of people get it, but it seemed clear that vast majority did not.
Almost like Laibach -moment, where the system is exposed, and system is unable to respond and becomes confused, when art unexpectedly takes over and refuses to play in terms of normally agreed.
Does the confusion and performance art work when arena is something else than it is supposed to be? Of course we are no longer talking about "collage art" here, but I do feel there is very common idea that art is the expression that happens in some sort of own artistic space, for entertainment purposes of art lovers and then the real arena of politics, business or whatever, is for grown ups and serious biz not to be played with.
Yet, in moment when interview seems to be purposeful, almost scripted routine, suddenly exposing it to laughable joke, it is very clear the art exposes its nature, while concerned intelligent political responponse would have given question legitimate authority, not exposed what the questions really are.
I realize that some argue that this is dangerous zone, if we can't anymore trust if we are dealing with something "real" or just weird spectacle. Well, indeed! One can look into politics or economy, and wonder if any other than artistic reply would be worth consideration?