Taking Bitewerks' cue, I am starting the "drugs thread."
However, I'd like to state that the usual "I do x amount of (substance) regularly" or "I used to be an addict" type of conversation is not what I'm starting this for. I don't care for that mentality and I don't wanna know if you are a scumbag junkie or you spend all your time stoned. Just to be clear, sobriety is where it's at.
Still, I've tried almost every more common and (some less common) drug out there, whether illegal, pharmaceutical, or "traditional" (like khat, kratom, etc). I am not "into" them at all because generally they aren't worth what they cost and have stupid health risks associated. But, I know a lot of music I enjoy is somewhat influenced or affected by drug use, so I like to gain some perspective on things.
How do others feel about psychoactives? Anyone got any particularly funny or weird stories?
And most importantly, do you have any sonic material that is made under the influence and obviously different from normal because of that?
Mephedrone aka 4-MMC hit the UK in 2009/2010 like the Chinese mind control trick it probably was and many people old enough to know better were enjoying it. I believe the estimate was eight million of us were doing it at weekends before it was illegal. The pure substance direct from Chinese labs was crystalline, harsh on the nostrils, euphoric, subtly trippy, aphrodisiac, addictive as hell, had curious memory loss aftereffects and was ultimately a very bad idea.
In my distant teenage years I tried and hated PCP - sent me into a terrible paranoid and doomy state. Blotter and gel LSD tabs were everywhere and cheap for UK teenagers in the 1980s. Usually had fun with that stuff.
The most unusual hallucinogen I've ever tried would be 2CE - one of Shulgin's "Magical Half-Dozen". Hit me like electric bolts with immediate physical and mental effects. Created a feeling of telepathy between the four of us performing who had taken it. Created the ?illusion? that whatever we talked about would manifest itself in our physical surroundings soon, and this did indeed keep happening. It's strong and serious stuff with dissociative effects on top of the trip, and I'd never risk taking it again, but am so glad I did.
Quite a while now since I have taken any drugs. Someone gave me half an Adderal when I was very drunk. Kept me awake and babbling nonsense for hours.
If I had to be around habitual users of any substance, I would be around speedfreaks. They are always amusing and bizarre, unlike habitual weed smokers, alcoholics and heroin addicts.
Drugs are for niggers.
Agreed!
Drugs are probably best suited to people between the ages of 18 and 25. In fact, spare me from any conservative dullards who didn't try drugs between those ages.
In response to Peterson's question about music made under the influence, I think music is best made in conditions of complete sobriety (maybe barring caffeine for concentration). The infamous effects of cocaine in helping to destroy creative talent time and again say it all. But all human experiences end up feeding into art, including whatever experiences with drugs we have had.
Intoxication - in some form - continues to be one of the most important factors of being a human and being alive. It will always be with us, and rightly so. There are always occasions when our senses need boosting or dulling in certain regards. Clearly, like all such things, it should be done in moderation, and discrimination is necessary towards what drug one takes.
My preferred drug is alcohol but I've been partial to yanni (what local indigenous people call marijuana) before, provided it's nice, peaceful, back-yard or naturally grown material and not hydroponic head-rape. A nice, mellow buzz in the evening makes food and music more pleasurable. It's annoying that it's illegal. But it's also something I'd want in small doses - smoking yanni every night just leads to feeling paranoid and wrecked.
LSD I've had twice. I decided not to use it again since I enjoyed it so much and, knowing me at the time, I would have become addicted. I'd be partial to using it again, but it's a once-a-year type of experience, I would think.
I would never go near heroin and experience has taught me never to trust junkies or most users. The problem with smack is that it turns people into liars. The best description of a junky I heard was someone who, if they live with you, will steal your video player then spend the rest of the day helping you look for it. When they're honest, though, it's a different story. The best arguments made against me using heroin were made by people who were using it at the time, people who cared about me and knew what would happen. I'm grateful to those people.
Noddies on the trains or trams are fun to watch, though. I heard a story that someone would take a small amount of salt with them, so if he encountered a noddy with their head back and mouth open, he'd empty some salt into the mouth. That would be funny to see - unkind, but funny.
I tend not to have a lot of sympathy for whatever you call those who inhale paint fumes. They are remarkably blatant - walking down the road or getting on the train with their bags in their hands and their face covered in shit. I was taking a nice walk down near Merri Creek in Fitzroy one time and encountered one of these fuck-ups who instantly turned on me, threatening me with a tree-branch of all things. I'm sure if I had learned this individual's life story it would be quite sad, but it's hard for me to "feel sorry" for such people at such times. Perhaps a more academic, dis-interested sympathy.
Petrol sniffing is, apparently, a big issue among Aboriginals here, particularly up North (as always). I would, and usually do, feel a lot more for kids who sniff petrol simply because it's the done thing in their communities, or because they have older relatives and friends who sniff. I would see that as much more a symptom of overall circumstances than simple opportunism.
"Straight-edgers", or anyone who makes a big deal out of not taking drugs, would have to be some very boring and arrogant people to me. People making an issue out of what they are not doing must need a lot of psychological support.
I'm opposed to drug prohibition generally, but have a lot of misgivings about a lot of actual drugs today. People want stronger and stronger narcotics. If prohibition was lifted I'd bet there'd be a lot of serious social consequences for at least a generation. And drugs tend to be a much more profitable venture illegal than legal.
If I had power, my solution would be - legal to make/grow drugs, legal to distribute, legal to use, but illegal to sell and buy. Cutting out the marketisation of such things would, at least, ensure no one was profiting off addiction. I'm sure there would be problems with that solution (although I'm not thinking of "libertarian" objections to anything being for free anyway - fuck those fools), and it'll never happen, of course.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on July 31, 2013, 01:37:28 AM
provided it's nice, peaceful, back-yard or naturally grown material and not hydroponic head-rape. A nice, mellow buzz in the evening makes food and music more pleasurable. It's annoying that it's illegal. But it's also something I'd want in small doses - smoking yanni every night just leads to feeling paranoid and wrecked.
Good point. I strongly prefer what someone would call "Homegrown" or "Mids" than some crazy wheelchair pot. Where I grew up that was always what you would get, just regular stuff that someone's dad's friend grew. It would get you stoned but not cast into a paranoid immobile state. In recent years more potent stuff made its way there, and now that I live in NYC I avoid it altogether because I can't determine ass from elbow after smoking it.
Was big into Heroin and Oxycontin/Morphine/Opioids for many years and still dabble with IV opiates, difficult to just quit them forever and I don't see the point in taking a pill or smoking something that you can just put straight into your bloodstream. Luckily I am nowhere near as bad as I used to be and I don't have to do it ever few hours to keep from getting sick anymore, which was hell. I like benzos too and the occasional shot of coke. Beyond that I don't care. I don't even really go out and look for drugs, it's more of a thing where a friend will come around to hang out and will have some to do for free or a couple chicks I know can't hit their veins so they will sometimes call me up if they have something in exchange for getting them off.
I don't drink much anymore. I hate weed, LSD, shrooms, E, speed, all that gay shit.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on July 31, 2013, 05:21:41 AM
I'm not sure I buy into the medical marijuana; it's too good to be true that it helps on every disease known to man.
I understand it can have some placebo effects, such as increasing appetite, numbing pain and so on, but marijuana reformists really do themselves a dis-service crapping on about how medically beneficial they think it is. It's unnecessary.
Not to go into ridiculous talks that coffeine is also drug etc., I've had DXM, salvia, marihuana, hash, lsd, coke and shrooms and ayahuasca. I think that's all.
The theme of the latest Budrus album was influenced by a shroom trip in a small island. I can't be around people when the trip starts. They seem so annoying, weak and all they do is bad for me. We were 4 on the island so 3 of them were chatting, drinking, sitting on the bench laughing and I was going in circles around the island, which was covered in snow up to knees. So during that brainstorm of several hours, I've had those "canine visions" about human corpses being eaten by dogs and so on. I like this though I do it once in a couple of years. Now the last time I've had them was 5 years ago or so. It's time to get some more.
As for ayahuasca, experiences were interesting. I have a fear of water so it was very difficult time sitting by the lake, but apart from it tasting awful, experiences are interesting.
Coke is shit and it gave me nothing
I've tried lsd just this year. I should try it sober and perhaps the dosage should be right because apart from that I was awake for quite a long time and had some interesting moments next day, nothing happened. Slight ripples on the walls. Since I went to a bar to have a beer and something to eat after the night under lsd, and stayed there, then after a few beers, I had another piece of it, I remember aggression and trying to fight someone, and then some modern YOLO kids from Britain came into the bar, started talking some shit, so I asked if they truly have such large penises as I could tell by their talks, then took off my pants and asked to measure ours telling that Lithuanians has extremely small penises and they left. So nothing very sacred about it. Should read more Groff and avoid alcohol.
dxm was long time ago, it was ok, salvia was the same.
Marihuana and hash - from time to have a joint it's ok, but it's also that I don't like to be around people after smoke. Some of them starts to laugh all the time, be funny or whatever and I usually don't understand it.
As for creations under influence, some beer is ok for me because after the amount is exceeded, the sense of quality is lost and you enjoy bleeps and blops and if I am recording something, then the next morning many questions arises why I thought this was good.. But I like a few beers when playing and in between. It gives concentration and easiness at the same time. But that maybe the sort of "ritual" already - to go to studio, sit on the sofa, think about what you will be doing, open a beer, connect the cables, play some test sounds, after everything is connected, have a cigarette and drink that first beer to the end while just thinking about the sound I want to have, the direction of it and so on. I guess if I'd remove beer from studio work, it would become quite a different experience and I can't imagine myself playing while sipping tea.
I don't quite know why one should hate one or another drug. I guess it's people that one is referring to. A few weeks ago I had a little chat with a guy whom I know a little and who has converted to all sorts of traditional medicine things, not using alcohol, but just weed and all that spiritual things. So he said that he is against alcohol because alcohol is responsible for lots of bad things in his life and overall. When I asked to explain, he said that when he was drinking, he was constantly getting into fights and getting with some girls that are not his wife and so on. So he chose to run away, live in the forest, writing about how wrong is alcohol and how good is all that traditional medicine etc. This is pathetic to have your own weaknesses transferred onto some substance and thus making yourself clear of it.
I don't do drugs.
I like the fact that some hard drugs helps keeping natural selection working, although there are some downsides e.g - tax payer's money spent on people turned to unfit-to-work minchions for their fun, plus the annoying catto-communist social workers treating them as poor-society victims.
I really appreciate 70's heroin related aestetic. Christiane F, the needle park in Zurich, etc.
And damn, I so hate hippies and the stink of dope.
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 31, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
I like the fact that some hard drugs helps keeping natural selection working,
very slow working natural selection. might be better to have tigers in the streets or remove manhole covers.
only negative feelings I have is towards pills. when guys eat them their speech sounds irritating, slow and mushy mouths but I think its due to the ammount they indulge in. I had a painpill once after surgery and my speech was fine.
never saw junkies in my little home town but theres plenty here in helsinki. people in their 20s with missing teeth etc. how high do you have to get to forget that teeth need brushing.
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 31, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
I really appreciate 70's heroin related aestetic. Christiane F, the needle park in Zurich, etc.
"Panic In Needle Park" is a fantastic movie.
Quote from: LevasI don't quite know why one should hate one or another drug. I guess it's people that one is referring to.
I'd say both, at least for me. I personally hate Meth, I will never do it and never have. I dislike uppers in general, I hate the way they make me feel and only would do coke if I had some opiates and/or benzos. Meth in particular is just a nasty drug altogether, worse than crack is, objectively, as meth has a super high toxicity level (it is 10x higher than coke which is crazy) and an extremely long half-life when compared to crack, causing people to stay up for days and weeks on end which rarely happens on crack since it's a 15-20 minute high if you got a good batch. Seeing people who you used to get along with getting spun out every day and acting like some fucked up weirdo is quite maddening.
Quote from: RyanWreck on July 31, 2013, 05:58:56 PM
"Panic In Needle Park" is a fantastic movie.
I was actually referring to the real needle park in Zurich (ch) which will be definitely part of one of my next works!
But yeah! Damn great movie. Pacino superb.
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 31, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
I was actually referring to the real needle park in Zurich (ch) which will be definitely part of one of my next works!
But yeah! Damn great movie. Pacino superb.
Ohhh I see.
Do you still consider yourself Straight Edge, tove?
I've been a junky and user of other drugs for years, like, I was a meth head in my teen years, and just speed generally for a really long time, and I've never stolen anyone's VCR, or relied on.the proceeds of crime to fund my many habits, besides dealing.
These days I'm mostly an alcoholic, though I'm reliant on methadone, which is hell.
Quote from: RyanWreck on July 31, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on July 31, 2013, 06:11:31 PM
I was actually referring to the real needle park in Zurich (ch) which will be definitely part of one of my next works!
But yeah! Damn great movie. Pacino superb.
Ohhh I see.
Do you still consider yourself Straight Edge, tove?
sure, too late to change habits at 40 ehehe we'll see when I will reach real middle life crisis ;)
I am no longer involved with that scene at the moment, although I still have many friends from the good ol' days... not my priority at the moment although I find VERY interesting the degeneration of many scenes.
Eating marijuana is a decent alternative. I understand one somehow distills the THC from the weed by slowly cooking it in oil, then using the oil in food. I've had cakes a couple of times made (by others) in this manner, and the results were interesting - more of a "body stone" rather than effecting the mind, longer to come on of course, but then longer lasting.
Quote from: Peterson on August 01, 2013, 04:46:26 AM
Quote from: RyanWreck on July 31, 2013, 04:06:19 AM
Was big into Heroin and Oxycontin/Morphine/Opioids
Ever use them for ritual/occult purposes?
You may be joking or not, but actually, yes I had. Back when I was in my early 20's I was involved with the OTO and the A.'.A.'. and used opiates to achieve a "nod", basically going in and out of consciousness, to "scry". A lot of the time when you first begin using H or whatever heavily your subconscious, or whatever you wanna call it, will bring shit up while you are half asleep. I remember my girlfriend would always hate when I was nodding out when she was trying to sleep because I would randomly yell weird shit out, in a half dreaming state.
I don't practice the occult anymore and really don't care to much for the practice, even though there are certain things that were odd that happened, the "proof" of these things weren't substantial enough for me to find any benefit with continuing.
The only drug I ever tried was weed. And that was only three times, each time while drinking beer. First two times, I didn't feel a thing, third time, which was last year, I felt dizzy and sick for 10 minutes, then it was over and that was the only effect it had on me, as far as I know.
Never tried other drugs, because I was always too scared for addiction. Bit stupid when I think about it now, but I also feel it's a bit late to start trying shit now (I'm 28 and have a kid, doesn't seem ideal to start experimenting).
As for the discussion whether caffeine is a drug or not, for me it definately is. I don't like coffee and almost never drink Cola, so nearly no caffeine intake. When I do drink Cola, I get a headache, at least that was the case a couple of years ago. The weird thing is that I do sometimes drink Cola after I had beer (even if only one or two) and then I don't get a headache. Which is good for going to gigs, where they often only have beer, Cola and water.
Alcohol is the only thing I do, but most often in moderation, don't drink too much at home, when I go to gigs, it's mostly me driving, so I only have two beers. Then whenever I go to a pub or a gig in Antwerp, I get hammered, hehe.
Yes, weed never had any good effect on me either. Also, I mostly associated it w/ the type of people I didn't like - hippy-type layabouts - so I certainly didn't want to get into their groove.
As you say, drugs when you're a parent is really not on. However, before I became one, I did have fun w/ a bit of E, speed, coke, mushrooms. That was in my twenties, but after 30 the hangovers just get too bad to be dealing with! And that's another reason I hardly ever get drunk anymore - from being a pretty heavy drinker at the time. God, I even gave up the fags then, too! Funny, when I was on the cigarettes, I couldn't stand a cigar at all. Now I enjoy the odd cigar, but couldn't smoke a fag!
well if it was good stuff you should've been put on your arse and are nodding out not being able to do fuck all let alone get all 'ritualistic' about it! tolerance builds up of course though ...
Quote from: blackoperations on August 06, 2013, 04:52:32 AM
well if it was good stuff you should've been put on your arse and are nodding out not being able to do fuck all let alone get all 'ritualistic' about it! tolerance builds up of course though ...
Yea, I definitely had a tolerance as I was using Heroin and/or OC's daily for over 8 years before finally getting on Methadone. The dose of Methadone I eventually settled in at was 150mg daily which reflects had retarded and high my tolerance was at the time. I never tried plugging, I never understood why people did anything other than IV, it's such a huge waste as the bioavailability of anything other than slamming is lower than 90%.
Poppers, nobody?
Just weed, perfect chillout with good music & nice company....mild weed, not the fucked-up powerfull stuff they started growing. But that was years ago, now it's just alcohol. Had a lot of friends venture into speed and/or E, looked like fun but i never tried it because i didn't like the endless paranoïa idea.....
Quote from: P-K on August 07, 2013, 03:46:50 PM
Poppers, nobody?
I sniffed that fagdrug once or twice. A friend of mine had a bottle. It just made my face red.
Is it for anything else than fuckin or jerking it? It didnt feel like something I would want to do on the regular and we werent fucking, just sitting around and listening to music. It didnt enhance that too much.
a funny drug anecdote I remember: there were still official military amphetamine and heroin pills in street use during the 60s or even later.. The last war they were in use I can think of ended in 1945.
Is it called nitrus or something when you inhale the metal cartridge? That trend showed up here some time ago. There were stores that sold that stuff. They cracked down on it now, I didnt have a chance to try it
Poppers go well with tonal ambient music. Especially high pitched. They make the sound dip in and out and feel closer to the center of your head. It goes away really fast, which is desirable. The only drugs that have a positive effect on music are alcohol and marijuana, heroin makes me too nauseous to even enjoy the buzz, cocaine makes me admire poor work. Speed makes me want to take a VCR apart, not work on audio. The hallucinogens are too unpredictable.
In general I'm pro-drug, I think as an earlier poster said, meth is the most destructive. I've done meth twice, but both times lasted multiple days, and I truly understand how people go so low so fast on the stuff. Crack is too expensive to get that far gone, for very long at least. Not that it doesn't destroy lives. Heroin I hate. Its not out of ignorance, I just feel like I'm going to vomit the entire time and never get past that long enough for euphoria, I still wind up doing heroin a few times every year, due to an inability to say no to free drugs. Every time I do it I remember why I don't. Same with acid.
I drink a decent amount of beer every two or three days and smoke pot maybe once a week, when already drunk, to enhance how something I'm listening to is sounding.
I like this forum.
I just tried to smoke weed three time. I never smoke cigarettes so I don't know how to smoke it properly. Fuck it all!
Loud music is my drug!
i used to always feel "i need to take (drug name here) to make music" so for many years all recordings were done that way(not only in noise but punk bands ect) now with months clean everything is alot more enjoyable. during the last couple months of using i would get high(off what ever) and never record or couldnt make anything "good".fuck experimenting with drugs. fuck locking yourself away because your using drugs all day.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 08, 2013, 05:01:42 AM
Same problem here, I 've never smoked so always had trouble keeping the smoke IN.
I should start doing a line of speed before a bike ride. I'd be really, really fast. Smoke those skinny, spandex-wearin' assholes!
You wouldn't want to ride your bike, you'd just take it apart and put it back together 30 times and then clean it.
I used to love biking on meth when I was a kid, I'd do it for like 24 hours straight all the time. Not mountain biking though, but I imagine that it'd help you with focusing on the terrain and what have you, but, yeah, you might get stuck in a loop of taking it apart and putting it back together again if you're not careful.
I used to go bomb this hill that went all through my shitty little hometown on my skateboard over and over again on meth as a kid, sometimes for days on end. I was a better skateboarder on meth than I was at any other time when I tried to skateboard, better than on ritalin, or any other drug. Don't think I ever tried sober.
sometimes after smokin weed one gets a cascade of ideas, a diarrhea of concepts and crazy energy to try em all out. unmatched amount of manic drive. then jam + record. just dont mix it, cos its gonna sound warped. too much bass and twisted perspective!? but collect the ideas!! mix it later, haha!!
not a music thing, but last time i came across acid (may 2000) i climbed up a rock wall, sat in the bushes and watched for 2 hours how the tunnel below me swallowed all the cars drivin into it, with big munches, haha!!
i think if weed was decriminalized there would be maybe some quick peak in its consumption but then it would deflate eventually cos the forbidden magic would have vanished, after that it would be good tax money anyway, i wouldnt mind havin some street lights and potholes fixed round here...
edit: gotta add that i started thinkin... if i would have to try to score anything nowadays i'd have no clue where to even start to ask around. i'd be a lousy dopedude. i dont know anyone anymore who knows someone who knows someone etc etc also most of my friends from "then" are bloated and red and have disappeared somewhere anyway, or they're in some pub...
edit2: i remember once the weed was so powerful that i started hearin tremolo guitars on records that have none. it was "tyrnävä" lp by jolly jumpers and i thought "wow that tremolo is so good" then my friend sez "whatchu talkin bout, aint no tremolo on this" and that was a super bizarre moment!!
also i remember theres some connection between smokin weed and grindcore, which i never understood. as in brutal truth and others maybe. wtf, how can one blast it out while stoned?!?! i must be missing something here....
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on August 12, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
I don't like working on the bike other than regular maintenance or if something really needs to be replaced/repaired.
Last night's episode of "Drugs, Inc." was about meth addicts in the liberal city of San Francisco. It opens up with a gay prostitute pulling on his Wesco engineer boots & ass-less chaps. He talks about being paid $1,000 by one customer to buy meth so he can make videos of him shooting it up. The money can be spent on meth ONLY.
It seems meth used to be controlled by Asians in S.F. (one dealer says they don't stand around on street corners dealing, that's 'what other cultures do, not us') but it's now all Mexican cartels whose meth is much cheaper AND stronger.
In a CNN documentary about weed, they said in the '70s pot was about 1% THC. Today, the average is up to 13% with some weed all the way up to 36%! The Uni. of Mississippi keeps track. They get weed from all over the country for testing. It's all keep in a bank-like vault.
Oh yea, Mexican "super lab" Ice is potent shit. San Fran has really always had a "Tina" problem due to their huge Gay scene (PNP!) and some biker clubs sprouting up around the area. I remember when tribes used to have a large Gay culture in 2008-2010 and they had a page dedicated to dudes shooting up Meth mixed with each others blood, or sometimes just straight up shooting up some other HIV positive dudes blood with no Meth in it. Crazy shit. Most of the guys were also self-proclaimed "Satanists" with ridiculous face tattoo's (reminded me of that ad in Justmeat "craves obscene facial tattoo's and full cock removal" or whatever it said) who liked to to "share their bug with negs" and abuse one another. Definitely not your average fag stuff.
Quote from: pentd on August 13, 2013, 02:32:06 AM
sometimes after smokin weed one gets a cascade of ideas, a diarrhea of concepts and crazy energy to try em all out. unmatched amount of manic drive. then jam + record. just dont mix it, cos its gonna sound warped. too much bass and twisted perspective!? but collect the ideas!! mix it later, haha!!
not a music thing, but last time i came across acid (may 2000) i climbed up a rock wall, sat in the bushes and watched for 2 hours how the tunnel below me swallowed all the cars drivin into it, with big munches, haha!!
i think if weed was decriminalized there would be maybe some quick peak in its consumption but then it would deflate eventually cos the forbidden magic would have vanished, after that it would be good tax money anyway, i wouldnt mind havin some street lights and potholes fixed round here...
edit: gotta add that i started thinkin... if i would have to try to score anything nowadays i'd have no clue where to even start to ask around. i'd be a lousy dopedude. i dont know anyone anymore who knows someone who knows someone etc etc also most of my friends from "then" are bloated and red and have disappeared somewhere anyway, or they're in some pub...
edit2: i remember once the weed was so powerful that i started hearin tremolo guitars on records that have none. it was "tyrnävä" lp by jolly jumpers and i thought "wow that tremolo is so good" then my friend sez "whatchu talkin bout, aint no tremolo on this" and that was a super bizarre moment!!
also i remember theres some connection between smokin weed and grindcore, which i never understood. as in brutal truth and others maybe. wtf, how can one blast it out while stoned?!?! i must be missing something here....
I recently stopped smoking weed and I live in the mecca of marijuana. I have a total love/hate relationship with weed. I like how I feel less agitated when smoking but when I don't (didn't) have any weed it made me far more agitated than without it at all. It is insane how it is a natural plant but there is so much bullshit associated with it. The police here arrest far more growers than they do meth pushers because the growers have more money. Also, the growers fuck up the environment by polluting the rivers with all the fertilizers and pesticides they use to grow weed. Most of the "hippies" here are fat lazy slobs that are on welfare because they have no motivation because getting high and associating themselves as hippies is all they have. I thought hippies and rastas were people that were close to nature and against the system but most of them seem like they are unnatural and heavily reliant on the system. As far as getting weed you must know someone and spend hours waiting for them to get around to hooking you up or spend a ridiculous amount of money getting a "license" to buy it from a vendor or home growing. I would rather spend hundreds of dollars a month drinking than fuck with all of that shit now. At least I can go to any store and get beer than call someone to call someone and wait around for hours.
hanging around waiting to score, or for something to be dropped off (and it's taking ages) is one of the things i hate most in the entire fuckin' world.
Quote from: WAKO on August 29, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
I thought hippies and rastas were people that were close to nature and against the system but most of them seem like they are unnatural and heavily reliant on the system.
xactly
After 18 years of assiduous consumption of drugs I come to the same conclusion as Charles Baudelaire (french romantic poet author of the "Flowers Of the Evil" Les Fleurs Du Mal): Drugs offer a genius which it is impossible to use.
They put at our range a gold bridge which is actually only one deep abyssal zone.
Only the power of the spirit makes it possible to transcend the human condition and its control with the matter.
Far too many my friends died, became insane, or quite simply slaves...
The abstinence became my religion and the HNW the temple which shelters it.
Long life with all.
http://www.12stepsahead.com/krokodil-or-crocodile-the-uk-designer-drug-is-increasing-in-abuse-and-may-be-coming-to-the-u-s/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/26/first-cases-flesh-eating-drug-krokodil-surface-in-us/
Anything mixed with gasoline sounds like a great idea to inject into your veins.
If anyone tries it, please post your experiences with photos.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 01, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
http://www.12stepsahead.com/krokodil-or-crocodile-the-uk-designer-drug-is-increasing-in-abuse-and-may-be-coming-to-the-u-s/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/26/first-cases-flesh-eating-drug-krokodil-surface-in-us/
Anything mixed with gasoline sounds like a great idea to inject into your veins.
If anyone tries it, please post your experiences with photos.
Gasoline is used in the production stages of Cocaine also, although it's removed so it's not quite the same as this.
Heard about this stuff a few years ago, I wonder exactly what it is about the ingredients used in the mixture that turns codeine into an injectable substance? I know if you try to bang just codeine cold extracted it causes a crazy reaction that is potentially fatal.
I'm pretty sure there was a Vice documentary about Krokodil. I can't remember which country it was in, Russia I think. I didn't realise it was over here in the UK. I haven't noticed any scary tabloid headlines saying that a new drug is killing children. There's a link to that documentary somewhere on this board, possibly this thread I can't remember. Anyway, it looks pretty fucking horrible. I think in the documentary they were injecting eye drops as well to either boost the effect or to stop one of the horrible side effects.
here's the vice-article + docu (bottom of article) : http://www.vice.com/read/krokodil-tears-v18n9
i like most drugs , including the hippie/gay/junkie stuff although i seldomly use it anymore , been a speedfreak for 8+ years (ain't been for the last 12 years though) and after losing most of my teeth,body-mass and hair i became a bit cautious...
funny thing over here where i live , most peeps totally anti-drugs are chainsmokers and alcoholics , for some reason it's very hard to get it in their heads that nicotin and alcohol are drugs too (and killers , for that sake)
weirdest/most freaky drug experience was when smoking Salvia 20X extract , i done it only three times and all three times were equally "fucked up" , much much like a few dozen LSD-and Mushroom-trips at the same time , more intense , more "real" and all of that in less than 15 minutes ! (that's when the effects wear down and you'll be "back") ...crazy crazy stuff ......some more info : https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Salvia_divinorum.shtml
the number of opiate prescriptions has drastically decreased in the US due to tougher and tougher state regulation and wide-spread news panic about hooked teens. i've known plenty of long-term junkies, even the most hardened of which i have a difficult time imagining they would shoot up "krokodil" , regardless of how bad they were withdrawing. i'd suspect anyone in such a predicament would rather get on a suboxone program, then just abuse that.
since losing my script and moving to the middle of nowhere, i've learned to make a mean batch of poppyseed tea... the local amish still sell "organic" seeds in bulk ;)
as for salvia, i could write a small book about my salvia-naut years... that stuff is very seriously not a joke when you "break through"... should always be used with a healthy respect for best results. interesting that when studied, no one has been able to identify what it is that produces such profound effects on the human brain.
Quote from: collapsedhole on October 05, 2013, 08:51:02 PM
as for salvia, i could write a small book about my salvia-naut years... that stuff is very seriously not a joke when you "break through"... should always be used with a healthy respect for best results. interesting that when studied, no one has been able to identify what it is that produces such profound effects on the human brain.
...exactly...
the only time i did salvia all i was left thinking afterwards was 'i can't believe that is legal....'. i don't think it is over here anymore though?! i really couldn't believe how nutty that shit was! even though i'd heard all about it before i did it. i'm surprised i've not heard more stories of people proper (proper!) flipping out on it!
Quote from: blackoperations on October 06, 2013, 09:15:50 AM
the only time i did salvia all i was left thinking afterwards was 'i can't believe that is legal....'. i don't think it is over here anymore though?! i really couldn't believe how nutty that shit was! even though i'd heard all about it before i did it. i'm surprised i've not heard more stories of people proper (proper!) flipping out on it!
full agree with you there !
I don't know where you're located but in the Netherlands it's still available in most so-called "smart-shops" , they sell up to 40x extract nowadays too , when i done that stuff (ca. 1999/2000) there was "only" up to 20x extract available....that's also the stuff i was talking about in my initial comment... In spite of not liking to admit it , I have to say that I guess I'm too "chicken" to try that 40x extract ... here's a link to one of the dutch vendors selling it http://azarius.net/smartshop/psychedelics/salvia_divinorum/salvia_sage_extract_40x/
Quote from: KMusselman on January 08, 2017, 05:12:12 AM
I live an a state (Washington) where Cannabis is legal. I was never a smoker. I quite enjoy edibles. Tonight I am having a Peanut Butter Milk Chocolate 10 mg THC. Off to my listening room!
http://phoenixcannabiscompany.com/edibles/
please mail me some
I'm also located in a state where weed is legal, although the best part about legalization in this state is the fact that it made black market prices plummet. Subsequently because of the legalization now droves and droves of upper middle class and trust fund kids are now moving out here and gentrifying everything causing the cost of living out here to sky rocket. Literally over the course of one year. It's pretty fascinating...
The first time I ever tried salvia it was around 2004, it was the 40x extract and it was one of the first 'religious' experiences I've ever had, complete out of body experience and I couldn't remember what my name was, who I was, where I was, what gender I was, what species I was, and I remember being able to see 360 degrees whilst looking down at my body and everything. Other then DMT one of the most powerful and overwhelming 10 minutes of my life.
Other then heroin speed has to be one of the worst drugs EVER to do regularly or to be addicted to. No other drug has affected or changed my personality as much as stimulants. And the guy who said he lost all of his hair, teeth and weight is an ultimate example why....it's definitely not worth it at all, and it turns you into a complete mongoloid retard. Like all drugs, moderation and careful use with that stuff is essential.
Quote from: KMusselman on January 08, 2017, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on January 08, 2017, 10:05:28 PM
Like all drugs, moderation and careful use with that stuff is essential.
Being in my mid to late forties, I'm very careful. I never did drugs in my youth other than a few times. I'll do an edible maybe once a month and only when I'm home and not going anywhere. I like to be listening to music when I do. I am able to hear much more. Sounds and instruments buried in the mix come to the forefront. Always have a pleasurable experience or I wouldn't do it. It's not like you can OD on cannabis anyway. Alcohol (beer) is my drug of choice and I know it's worse for me than cannabis.
I was primarily talking about the 'harder' drugs/alcohol and not cannabis, I think maybe you misunderstood me. Everyone has different mileage anyway.
Much like Peterson I also grew up with a parent that was completely immersed in the drug world and substance abuse so I've seen the absolute limits and lowest bottom of the barrel behavior that can come from choosing such a lifestyle. Addicts are indeed some of the worst forms of human beings one can encounter, so being exposed to that at a young age left a strong impression on me. I'm also against modern rehabilitation programs as I believe that completely avoiding a substance and constantly fighting against an urge to consume it is just as bad as being addicted. I've known several people that completed addiction programs or attend AA meetings and they're just as broken and miserable as before when they were using. Their lives are a constant obsessive struggle to avoid using. To me that is willingly choosing to lead a life of enslavement just like an addiction, truly a living hell. On the other hand I also know a few people it has worked for, but they seem to be the exception to the rule.
This never stopped me from exploring substances myself and having a variety of experiences over the years. Even though Peterson will want to kill me for admitting this when I was young I partially funded my college education by dealing since I grew up poor and was able to do so without getting arrested, addicted, or getting into too many violent situations. It's far too complex and personal of an issue to address on a forum (but never the less an interesting one) and as I've gotten older I've found that I know what works for me, how it works, and when and that's all that is really relevent to me to be honest. Alcohol doesn't interest me at all outside of a very occasional session of social drinking but even that is rare, the effects that I've seen that alcohol and stimulants have on people and what they do for me personally makes them mostly useless to me, all the more so that these are usually the most popular drugs for a reason - idiots. Not to say that everyone that drinks or does stimulants is a moron, it's just that what these substances provide usually appeals to people who shouldn't be doing drugs in the first place. This is why solitary and controlled hallucinogens where always my favored indulgence when I was younger. I even went through phases of binging on substances, both hallucinogens and other chemicals, and using them constantly and never had a hard time walking away from them. Aside from one or two exceptions, drugs have been nothing but positive and constructive for me personally but I definitely don't expect that to be the case for everyone.
All the moral and ethical stances on drugs don't really mean anything to me to be honest and I couldn't care less about its effects on society when the modern occidental world is so degenerative already, drugs are only one aspect or sliver of a much bigger problem in my opinion especially here in the US. Given that there is pretty clearly a mental health crisis in the western world, especially in the US since the problems are exacerbated by a healthcare system that prioritizes profit over everything else (hence why pain pills where EVERYWHERE until a few years ago when the DEA finally cracked down leading to tons of people to turn to heroin but you could list examples endlessly here), it's pretty clear that most people have absolutely no business with street drugs or even hallucinogens since humans probably shouldn't be doing drugs unless they're physically and mentally healthy. I don't think most people in the modern world fall into at least one or neither of the categories needless to say.
there are many examples of those opening the doors of perception only to try to close them again-this includes other than psychedelic drugs in my experience.
those doors are not easily closed and often alcohol is used to try to shut down the open-John balance, Jim Morrison etc and likely myself.
drugs are not just a problem of hedonism/addiction but also perception.
Quote from: KMusselman on February 27, 2017, 05:53:58 AM
fuck THIS guy!
(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/blogs/gettyimages-631398310.jpg?itok=hgq5dELd)
no matter how many drugs you gave me, I just couldn't, sorry
there are recent ul articles about microdosing as regards lsd, along similar lines.
Had a 3 day ayahuasca ceremony this weekend in the woods. As for the times before when I had aya, it was outside, with some couple friends, walking around or so, so it's been completely different now. Drinking it after the sun goes down and sitting in a completely dark room with all the windows covered and no light. No distractions, despite how you would want them - just you yourself against yourself. It was guided by the shaman from Shipibo tribe Peru and his three apprentices of 5 years. Visuals, insights into yourself etc. And very intense. Absolutely it's not for the faint hearted I'd say. There was a guy, all cheerful and happy, said he has no problems, and arrived just for fun and experience. He left the very next morning, saying it was not for him. Other silent guy went crazy the third night, starting yelling to fuck off, give his life back, etc. (later he told that he had 6 devil-like beasts trying to eat him from outside and couldn't bare it.). So the third night was the most intense. The guy who was sitting next to me, we talked with him just before the third ceremony, he asked if I every feel any fear or anxiety after drinking it. I said yes of course. He said he never feels any fear at all. He felt it some years ago when he had problems in his personal life, and now - no. Doing tai chi during days or sleeping etc. After the third night started, he went away, took his car, drove away, police stopped him, took him to a hospital, and he showed where the ayahuasca ceremony was happening so the police came, but they were unbelievably good. They just asked if everyone is feeling ok, if we knew that ayahuasca is illegal in Lithuania, and went away. I guess the most interesting visual things to bring out of all this weekend was the visual when putting my hands together as if for prayer, fingers started becoming roots of a huge tree and it started growing up, and when it grows, I feel very weak, then all it melts away. And once again, whenever some bad trip is starting to happen, I just listen to icaros, putting hands together, the tree grows and it feels safe and secure.
I wouldn't say it's great experience, but the aftermath is absolute calmness and center in oneself. Still need time to digest and process all this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9yOrKNC7dM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9yOrKNC7dM)
Talking about the dangers of pot, I could die if I take it (that is to say I'm allergic to it, hippies) because I have nerve damage almost inside my brain and I take heavy nervous system relaxants (pot also being a (different kind of) nervous system relaxant). I can take speed and mushrooms though.
Quote from: theotherjohn on December 08, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Scromiting - is that a new craze like dabbing or planking?
You can tell an article is going to be reactionary Daily Mailery if they refer to pot as "cannabis"