My personal live equipment consists of a laptop and an iPad.
The iPad is usually the sound source, documentary samples etc.
The laptop filters the voice.
My biggest issue is finding pedals that can do the things that a laptop has the capability of doing such as four band distortion with multiple effects, glitch effects, pitch harmonisers. Also the laptop was a lot cheaper than a hefty chain of pedals. On top of that I still get the ability to actually do something with midi controllers.
As I know there are a lot of purists out there I would love to know your method of attempting to push the envelope of sound in noise.
Jasuto is hands down the best iOS synth for noise, and there's a new version coming out soon! Highly recommended.
http://www.jasuto.com/main/
http://laptopnoise.com/ - funny site :D
I'm not totally opposed to laptops but only ever used one live once. For me I get harsher, more immediate and more effortlessly non-linear results with hardware. Plus I spend way too much of my live in front of a computer screen as it is.
When it comes to distortion especially even dance producers use hardware, it's hard to find a VST that comes close, tho indeed multi-band plugins are amazing.
Currently looking for some good software old enough to use on the various Powerbook G4s i acquired recently.
Jasuto! No tim!
Alchemy is a marvelous iOS synth, the remix pad blows all other iOS ones away and the layer synths just great.
It's funny I get more harsh, to my ears from a laptop. I suppose it depends on the source. I usually use an appeggiator, alternative the scale. Fl studio is bliss for that ;)
The next challenge is getting this all work on Ubuntu, I've dabbled with rose garden and whole host of other DAW's in the past but for live I found it too unstable and didn't want to take the risk.
Who the fuck made that site ;)
Well yeah there's different sorts of 'harsh' i guess, certainly digitally you can get the cleanest squarest waveforms and full frequency range..
Alchemy looks really nice, will give it a go, thanks for the tip. Seems like more of a traditional keyboard-centric synth tho, what I like about Jasuto is that it's totally modular so really good for un-musical, chaotic and complex sounds. plus it has noise-setup-friendly things like you can use the mic (or iRig etc input) in realtime connected to any effect/generator/math thing. It has nice sounding soft clipping of the whole mix too, most synth software assumes you're a musician and won't be clipping at all :D
I guess really serious laptop noise people use Max or Pure Data or whatever but i can't get into programming type stuff really... on the other had one of the best wall noise sets I've ever heard (A View from Nihil) was done just using Fruityloops without I don't think even any fancy extra VSTs :)
QuoteWho the fuck made that site ;)
It's this guy Michael Oster, a pro sound designer/engineer who uses a lot of circuitbent + digital noise techniques in his paid work and has some noise sideprojects/sites/jokes too. :)
Granular Synthesis
FM Synthesis
Wavetable Synthesis
these things are best on laptops. this is what people do when they have max or PD. people have made plenty of patches from these, though sadly they are getting harder to find. I make pretty rudimentary things are just I flat out copy and slightly modify any patch I find useful.
I found this Granular PD patch particularly useful in timestretching (http://macumbista.net/?page_id=514)
can't seem to link my favorite Max granular patch, which can granulate live signals in realtime, quite fun in a overdistorted feedback loop.
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on December 04, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
Granular Synthesis
FM Synthesis
Wavetable Synthesis
these things are best on laptops. this is what people do when they have max or PD. people have made plenty of patches from these, though sadly they are getting harder to find. I make pretty rudimentary things are just I flat out copy and slightly modify any patch I find useful.
I found this Granular PD patch particularly useful in timestretching (http://macumbista.net/?page_id=514)
can't seem to link my favorite Max granular patch, which can granulate live signals in realtime, quite fun in a overdistorted feedback loop.
Here is nice tutorial page for making granual synthesis with Pure Data:
http://www.pd-tutorial.com/english/ch03s07.html
Also SuperCollider is worth to check out: http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/
SuperCollider is more programmer oriented than Pure Data but it is also more dynamic to use.
I do studio noise. I really can't afford to play live and I don't understand why people make a big deal out of noise artists using FL Studio to make their stuff. If it sounds good, who cares?
one thing I like the idea of is using Arduino, so you get the software aspect you'd want from laptop noise and the fiddly bits that make pedals nice
Audacity is great for making noise, especially with these LADSPA plugins http://www.plugin.org.uk/
We have used laptops a couple of times, though we tried to go another way around it.
Some kind of VST synth - laptop speakers mic'ed up - run through various pedals - into a 4 track.
Great for feedback/overloaded type sounds.
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2013/12/26/top-20-free-vst-plugins-best-2013/
wheres the difference in using "trve" methods at one stage (f.ex. tape sources) then editing / retouching / compiling / "composing" on a computer?
here comes a shock revelation: everybody's favorite "here be lions" by vanhala is finished up on (*gulp*) a LAPTOP
and yes it looks idiotic on stage, its very fragile, and if something goes wrong it's very very wrong. i remember yamatsuka eye goin on stage, everybody held their breath as he was preparing to do that lightbulb-ritual, then nothing happened, until the "apple power-on" chord blasted through the PA
but what powerful tools the computers provide!! just think bout reaper, reaktor, pd, ableton.... that list that tim pointed out: many excellent devices!!
edit: its a good/bad sound source as any, in the right /wrong hands yknow...
I really like Alchemy, Reaktor, Kontakt, and FM7. for more ambient sounds, you can't go wrong with H.G. Fortune. Most of them are free and the ones that are paid are quite cheap. For distortion, my go-to is Izotope Trash.
I was introduced to Fruity Loops in 1999 and I think it's swell. It's very effective at taking samples of your choosing and adding a multitude of effects.
Caustic is quite nice synth for android. I haven't tried iOs or Windows versions.
Quote from: Levas on January 13, 2014, 02:53:47 PM
Caustic is quite nice synth for android. I haven't tried iOs or Windows versions.
Very nice app, it resembles another ios app, nanostudio. I've use it in many different tracks overall as a sampler
Quote from: secondplanet on December 30, 2013, 06:28:10 AM
one thing I like the idea of is using Arduino, so you get the software aspect you'd want from laptop noise and the fiddly bits that make pedals nice
I like using Arduino with Pure Data. Here is some tutorial for making the light sensor that works something like "light theremin" if you use it with Pure Data oscillators:
http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/sensors/light-sensor/
Don't know if someone have mentioned it before, but there's a little software plenty of noise potential, Sunvox
http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ (http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/), it's free (apart from android and ios versions) and runs on every
type of palm, pc, mac and so on...
Right now i'm using it as a sampler and real-time processing software and it's awesome.
Quote from: the streetcleaner on January 20, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
Don't know if someone have mentioned it before, but there's a little software plenty of noise potential, Sunvox
http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/ (http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/), it's free (apart from android and ios versions) and runs on every
type of palm, pc, mac and so on...
Right now i'm using it as a sampler and real-time processing software and it's awesome.
Looks like Buzz audio-program from the 90's! Must check out!
If you like trackers Renoise is my favourite:
http://www.renoise.com/
For noise I have used data files like *.txt or *.jpg -files and read them to tracker as audio data. You'll get sounds of glitches and digital scratches from raw data. One method to make noise is to use Renoise's own delay and put the LFeedb and RFeedb to 100%. Then if you change the L Delay and R Delay you'll get some nice looping noises.
Quote from: Häkkis Atte on January 20, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
If you like trackers Renoise is my favourite:
http://www.renoise.com/
For noise I have used data files like *.txt or *.jpg -files and read them to tracker as audio data. You'll get sounds of glitches and digital scratches from raw data. One method to make noise is to use Renoise's own delay and put the LFeedb and RFeedb to 100%. Then if you change the L Delay and R Delay you'll get some nice looping noises.
Also Renoise is a great source for noise, for sure more powerful than sunvox (renoise support vst plugins).
It's quite similar to buzz (in the early 00's was one of my fav software/resource).
Also sunvox could open txt, jpg and various non musical files (right now i'm using it with an *.id file... :D )
yea sunvox!! lightweight tracker with crazy modules --- jawohl!
heres an interesting article bout richard devine:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2013/10/11/live-blog-a-day-with-richard-devine
NOTE! the workflow runs from the bottom of the page upwards..
the reason why i mention this article is to point out the following: even the mostest wizardest dude uses basically the same caveman technique as many of us here (at least i do, maybe someone else too) = collect all kindsa of sounds and arrange tons of (or just a few, depending) AUDIO clips to the order that works for the piece.. many steps in between = use device "x" for a small task, record it, then use software "xx" for another small task, export it or record it, then compile the piece from small/large exportings and recordings.. the same could be seen on a curtis roads interview online which i cant seem to find right now.. (c.roads resulting in some insane microtonal and granular explorations)
edit: found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xy0szkt7ao&list=PL6776B6763D267045
then in part 2 around 3mins... layered pieces...
This is somewhat newish paradigm in creating etc. sounds. I didn't try, just saw the announcement. Yellofier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80)
Quote from: Levas on January 28, 2014, 02:51:58 PM
This is somewhat newish paradigm in creating etc. sounds. I didn't try, just saw the announcement. Yellofier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80)
Yellofier is great...immediate glitchy tunes...i used it a lot for dronish/glitch stuff the last year
ah, I misunderstood the announcement then. I thought it was something very new.
Quote from: Levas on January 28, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
ah, I misunderstood the announcement then. I thought it was something very new.
Not so old, indeed ;)
http://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_gadget_for_ipad/ (http://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_gadget_for_ipad/)
new ipad app from Korg, more dance oriented but plenty of small "machines", i've take it yesterday...i think it could be useful also for some good noise :)
Quote from: the streetcleaner on January 28, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Levas on January 28, 2014, 02:51:58 PM
This is somewhat newish paradigm in creating etc. sounds. I didn't try, just saw the announcement. Yellofier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80)
Yellofier is great...immediate glitchy tunes...i used it a lot for dronish/glitch stuff the last year
Initially it reminded me of a VST called "Glitch" that I've used in Reaper - that does some interesting cut-up glitchy sounding stuff.
Quote from: martialgodmask on February 05, 2014, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: the streetcleaner on January 28, 2014, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: Levas on January 28, 2014, 02:51:58 PM
This is somewhat newish paradigm in creating etc. sounds. I didn't try, just saw the announcement. Yellofier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrDSBsjS80)
Yellofier is great...immediate glitchy tunes...i used it a lot for dronish/glitch stuff the last year
Initially it reminded me of a VST called "Glitch" that I've used in Reaper - that does some interesting cut-up glitchy sounding stuff.
i'm still using that vst, and i've used it a ton of times in the good old fruity loops 3.5.6...it's one of the best vst fx for glitchy stuff...
o man, you guys mean dblue's glitch?! thats insane... also check out this:
http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/livecut/
http://bram.smartelectronix.com/plugins.php?id=6
this glitch subject is one that annoys a lot of noise people haha.. but once again: when applied tastefully it's amazing
sunfox and renoise are great for sure.. I'm also a huge fan of milkytracker
Quote from: secondplanet on February 10, 2014, 12:51:19 AM
sunfox and renoise are great for sure.. I'm also a huge fan of milkytracker
you're right
going to add this to my ableton tonight : http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/02/10/dope-matrix-puts-a-modular-synthesizer-into-ableton-live/
although I will always stick to the real thing (which I am slowly building), sounds interesting... and very cheap price
currently workin' on pure data connected to the input of sunvox, ultra post-mortem random tunes :)
http://thequietus.com/articles/14405-black-midi-algorave
I For One Welcome Our New Robot Vocal Cords: Radical Computer Music
Robert Barry , February 6th, 2014 03:57
Quote from: tiny_tove on February 25, 2014, 05:24:51 PM
http://thequietus.com/articles/14405-black-midi-algorave
I For One Welcome Our New Robot Vocal Cords: Radical Computer Music
Robert Barry , February 6th, 2014 03:57
woooooooooooooah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcERJUzQSHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcERJUzQSHo)
Din Is Noise
http://dinisnoise.org/
I have used diffent programs, and worked a lot with Reason since Reason 1.0
and now the reason 6 enabled recording it is my go to
choice of working enviornments .
I have gotten horrendously jagged distorted sounds using Reason.
I have harsh noise projects ( death ambient ) manicured noise and I can used my lap top.... or could use my laptop until the motherboard died.
No more money for Apple inc.
anybody has a cure for the latest max for live working with ableton 9?
seem impossible to find
I've never used a lap-top in a live situation or with recording/sound generation but I would regard it as a wider part of over-all computer music, which has a long and distinguished pedigree. So I wouldn't necessarily separate "laptop noise" from digital/computer music in general. In that, I regard it more as a recording method rather than a live tool, but I've heard (rather than seen) perfectly satisfactory uses of laptop in the live setting. Two main examples, Thendi Soddell (http://thembisoddell.tumblr.com/) and Merzbow (separately). Soddell's performance was particularly good because she played behind the audience, so there was nothing to see.
Re. applications - surprised to see AudioMulch (//http://) not mentioned yet. One of the few applications I have paid for (and I still use an older version), it is pretty much nearly everything you'd want. Excellent for mangling samples in real time.
Also had very satisfactory results using the standard effects on good old Cool Edit which, to my ears, have sounded neither too digital-sharp nor low-fidelity muddy.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on May 12, 2014, 05:00:23 AM
Re. applications - surprised to see AudioMulch (//http://) not mentioned yet. One of the few applications I have paid for (and I still use an older version), it is pretty much nearly everything you'd want. Excellent for mangling samples in real time.
Yes!!! If one should choose only one software to generate sounds I would always suggest that.
Worked with Supercollider for about 2 or 3 years until I found myself producing minor variations on the same few core sounds...worth the steep learning curve, however, despite the fact that there's a very narrow margin between the a full, overloaded sound that approaches scrambled hardware and completely blowing out your speakers (i.e. silence).
Cycling74's Soundflower is worth to check out if you want to route audio from software to software in OSX. Earlier I tried to do routing with Jack but it was buggy and unreliable. Between Pure Data and Renoise Soundflower works like dream!
http://cycling74.com/products/soundflower/