here is the current setup for Arseterror, I use a number of apps, Droneatron, Grain Synth and 8-Buckaroo, wired into a bass guitar effects/distortion unit, and a Peavey combo practice amp with the distortion channel on.
makes for great harsh noise. the Droneatron can be used as a sampler for war speeches, ambience, insect sounds, and military/battle samples as well as synth drones and I can even record synth fx from the Grain Synth and import it into the Droneatron and loop it and process it through pitchshifting, delay, flange, phase and and even weird fx like pitch bend, drone, and randomizer.
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hope the carpet started out white
Not a very interesting photo, and not only for the quality. Maybe wait to post pics like this until you have more than one multifx unit?
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my live set-up
a 10 kg galvanized chain
an iron plate with a contact mic
pedals:
bass fuzz
grunge distortion
phase shifter
pitch shifter
echo machine
reverb
digital delay
other fx:
an hand made wasp filter
xiwi 4x4 matrix mixer
Quote from: Jordan on April 15, 2014, 09:50:49 AM
Not a very interesting photo, and not only for the quality. Maybe wait to post pics like this until you have more than one multifx unit?
any and all gear setup photos are valid in my book. Maybe use a camera next time tho rather than http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/recorded-with-a-potato
Quote from: Cementimental on April 17, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
any and all gear setup photos are valid in my book.
why? not trying to be a prick just curious. do you think they are all
equally, comparatively valuable? Or valuable in and of themselves?
Not 'equal' or 'valuable' per se, just valid in the context of posting on the gear forum of a messageboard. IE I think it's acceptable and OK to do so. In general it can be interesting/useful, it's nice (to me) to just see loads of them. the specifics don't worry me too much, it's good to have an overview of what people are doing even if one given photo might not be great in itself, and it doesn't really do anyone any harm. Even if it's a 'bad' photo or not an interesting setup that can, as here, induce constructive criticism which could be helpful.
Back on topic here's a recent setup of mine:
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Nice MXR Bluebox. I used to play around with one of those quite a bit. The original 70's blue box's sound amazing.
Would you be able to describe what some of those units are and what you use them for? You have a very interesting setup.
Yeah the Blue Box is great. Mine is a more recent one, I've done the mod where you remove a capacitor for more volume/better sound, dunno how it compares to the 70's original.
I saw a kit for a modified clone version with added options such as a switch to change between one and two octaves down, i might get that soon. http://shop.pedalparts.co.uk/Blue_Fool_MXR_Blue_Box_clone/p847124_9554536.aspx
thanks :) in this photo: Behringer mixer, I like this one due to the number of useful channels vs some of the more noise-scene-standard models, + it has both pre and post fader sends, a couple of channel inserts etc. the thing in the centre is the Ghostbox, one of my earliest and best circuitbent things, the circuit is from a ghostbusters voicechanger toy, mounted in an old radio casing. Can make all sorts of harsh noise, tones, gabber-ish beats etc on its own. Reverb tank from an old amp on the top right, driven by an FX send and put thru the envelope filter and Metal-X. DOD Metal-X is supposedly identical/similar to the rarer and more expensive Corrosion, tho I haven't compared them, just read on the internet that's the case. Anyway it's a really nice distortion and easy to find cheap on ebay... Bottom left corner; two homemade fuzz pedals based on this circuit - http://home-wrecker.com/bazz.html - the red one contains 4 in a row! and the clear box is two of them as per the 'buzz box' at the bottom of that page. Both made with pretty much whatever random components i had to hand, they sound pretty nasty and sometimes pick up christian radio stations really clearly :D
@ Cementimental
I see you are using a reverb spring. How is the signal quality through this one? A friend have a similar, he have to crank up the gain or use an overdrive or something similar to get the juice out of it. When that is said, it produces excellent sound.
I was using it more as an instrument in this particular setup but I've found that I can get a clean spring reverb sound running it off the FX send of behringer mixers without anything additional, I think different tanks may need a hotter signal tho?
You might have a point re hot signal on various tanks. Using it in a chain sounds like a good idea for efx purposes. So you where playing on the strings? Nice one. Speaking of chain... are you running the Blue box as one - or is it connected to the third channel from the left? I've been considering to purchase one for myself, but I have to acquire a couple of other pedals before I can go dwn that round.
yeah touching/scraping the strings makes good sounds :)
I think in this setup I had FX send -> blue box -> a channel, so I could feed any other channel thru it and/or feed it back, sounds like Zeus' ZX Spectrum loading :D
Quote from: Jordan on April 15, 2014, 09:50:49 AMMaybe wait to post pics like this until you have more than one multifx unit?
Less is often more. I quite admired the sparsity of his set-up. And the picture, for that matter.
Quote from: Cementimental on April 20, 2014, 12:31:44 AM
yeah touching/scraping the strings makes good sounds :)
I think in this setup I had FX send -> blue box -> a channel, so I could feed any other channel thru it and/or feed it back, sounds like Zeus' ZX Spectrum loading :D
Aaa... ok. Hellbent fury in other words?!! On another note, what the øzgjvlnfvæzpw is a Zeus' ZX Spectrum ? Have to search the internet for that one. hehe! - Is it a game console?
It's a pioneering personal computer, I think a misspent childhood waiting for Manic Miner and Bubble Bobble to load from cassette is half the reason I even like noise and extreme electronic sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EfycbDhiw
Quote from: l.b. on April 17, 2014, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: Cementimental on April 17, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
any and all gear setup photos are valid in my book.
why? not trying to be a prick just curious. do you think they are all equally, comparatively valuable? Or valuable in and of themselves?
I think that even if it's a setup that you've seen many times, if the person is doing something interesting with it - it's worth hearing/seeing. I've seen a lot of setups where it's contact mic -> dod distortion (grunge/thrash/whatever) -> mixer. Is that interesting in and of itself? No, maybe not - but settings, environments etc are all factors that lots of people want to discredit/discount. That stuff can be gleaned from the most typical setup and boring photo.
Here's Skull Servant NE/SE's setup for the last couple months.
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Traynor 6 channel mixer where everything pretty much goes into. Boss DSD-2 Digital Delay/Sampler is connected to:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mUZFDNo1Lns/U1Q6-K0jDHI/AAAAAAAAAI4/sbpSpTx003A/s1600/20140420_170940.jpg)
Shopping cart with contact mic.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R00-j5xzS80/U1Q61qLgioI/AAAAAAAAAIo/244EGKKJjqQ/s1600/20140420_170101.jpg)
Typically the oscillator box (built off of the Weird Sound Generator schematic) > Boss DS1 > Boss RC3 Looper > mixer & Digitech PDS20/20 > mixer
Trogotronic 101 > mixer
These were taken today after we fucked around last week for some recordings that we have upcoming.
Holy shit, sorry for the big photos.
Quote from: Cementimental on April 21, 2014, 12:23:53 AM
It's a pioneering personal computer, I think a misspent childhood waiting for Manic Miner and Bubble Bobble to load from cassette is half the reason I even like noise and extreme electronic sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0EfycbDhiw
Hæ!Hæ! I remember those scratching sounds from the Commondore Vic 20 and 64s ! Oh' what memories of a life well spent wasted !
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the vomit arsonist :: basic setup, although i've recently swapped the monotribe out for a microbrute
Got a third micro pedal (the really cheap rat clone on the left, like £15 from China on ebay) today, tried a really tiny feedback loop. :) Not many pedals this size are actually all that cheap, and most of them are clones of pretty boring/non-extreme pedals, but they are cute and saving table and bag space in pedal-centric live setups is very appealing :)
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Quote from: andy vomit on April 22, 2014, 05:19:53 PM
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the vomit arsonist :: basic setup, although i've recently swapped the monotribe out for a microbrute
I've been looking for a Boss SP 202 or 303, what's your opinion of the 303?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44022575/IMG_20140404_170636_250c.jpg)
least obivous would probably be the Holowon Static Egg fuzz and the space heater element in the back.
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spring time setxup
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Most recent Forbidden Colors setup I have been recording with.
The Yellow box is a Critter & Guitari Kaleidoloop.
https://soundcloud.com/cementimental/cementimental-live-polarity-bash-anatums-abode-london-23-may-2014
Nice low-tech show in a squatted art/community space. I was supposed to make my idea of 'pop music' but that whole concept went out of the window since I didn't have time to prepare anything so I just went for contact mic junk via home made fuzz and bought octaves. :)
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Quote from: tinnitustimulus on April 25, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
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least obivous would probably be the Holowon Static Egg fuzz and the space heater element in the back.
Just curious to know how you use the Tascam (it's a Portastudio 414 right ?) in live condition ? I bought one and want to use for tape loops. If you have tips and tricks for feedbacking or cool stuff like that I'm all ears.
I prefer TASCAM 424 mk I and mk II for better tape speed options, but mine are broken. I use loops but I also switch over to live channels. for feedback loops i usually just put the effect sends to the line in channels, but i've seen the headphone jack used too, I just burn things out too fast to want to try that.
For multitrack tape loops, the only advice I'd have is to make each channel distinct, each a different frequency range, a different texture, but make it complementary to each other, like adding colors to a palette to make a painting. It is better not to have every channel full sounding because they are just going to cancel eachother out, though I like having one channel that does this to cut everything else out suddenly.
Sometimes i record loops on the fly during the performance, but it's never usually good. Even when I saw a performance where one was using live instruments and one trying to do tape loops of the other, it just came out with not very engaging loops. It's not a immediate effect like the loop station, it needs more engagement and prep.
That I also "cheat" and use a digital delay on the fx loop to loop the loops to more loops, and use a pre amp so the signal will go over everything else since effects loops try to be tame to prevent feedback. Keeps the process more organic and interesting, and sometimes I'm practically making a song using the pitch control with it, albeit a very crude one which keeps me in the harsh noise realm hopefully (though I did steal that technique from someone who is released on Not Not Fun multiple times).
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on July 19, 2014, 12:52:01 AM
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You'll have to forgive me, I just felt compelled.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on July 19, 2014, 04:54:28 AM
Quote from: tinnitustimulus on July 19, 2014, 12:52:01 AM
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You'll have to forgive me, I just felt compelled.
Hahaha, now I can't read his post anymore...
sorry for the big picture but was this afternoons setup.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/timdrage/1795651_10152628161583659_4639955478756065895_n_zps1229a768.jpg)
Setup for some outdoor racket with The A Band later this afternoon
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Setup for H x CEMENTIMENTAL x MX LX supergroup at ~ZAMZAMREC and A+E~ \NoiseesioN// [labyrinth~sound~exploration] The Island, Bristol 8 Sept 2014. I was half expecting we'd do some kind of more drone/music thing but it was pretty much pop-power electronics :D
Before & after my set last sunday ^__^; I think maybe the harshest I've ever done, I have to do some recordings using this setup (I thiink it all still works...)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/timdrage/beforeafter_zpsgrhgysxs.jpg)
Note that I saved the wine and only dropped the most expensive and fragile piece of gear onto the lower shelf rather than the floor, these are the skills that come with experience :D
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on May 07, 2015, 03:32:20 PM
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What's the thing on the far right below the tape recorder?
A drum machine, Zoom MRT-3. Compact and simple.
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http://i.imgur.com/LgW84XI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1HBLpk2.jpg
month old pictures of a setup at a friend's place.
only things are mine are the guitar (which i'm still modifying),the computer, audio interface & cables. i placed the cd player and tape player near the pickup to amplify the electromagnetic vibrations.
https://soundcloud.com/jonathan_valdez/thu-may-14-2015-18-05-52-gmt-0500-cdt here's a recording i did with the setup. a live recording using my phone and then edited together with a recording i did running the signal into max/msp.
cementimental still got the brush!!
Yep the brush is still going strong :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/timdrage/11742730_10153508348063659_5521670940088638980_n_zpszwkwlowj.jpg)
No need for any clever effects, just clean boost and more clean boost and optional Rat clone (tho that almost seems like cheating) thru tube drive/preamp. Actually sounds pretty immense with just the 2ube on it's own. Yet to successfully do much with this setup, gigs i've brought it to so far have been unsatisfactory sound-wise so far alas and haven't done it justice. :-/ I need to just record it loud thru a bass amp onto tape some time soon.
QuoteHello Mr. Cementimental, I noticed in one of your pics you have a Korg Monotron that looks like it was cracked open and bent, What did you do to it and what was the overall effect of doing this? I love monotrons, i think they are fun and cool little toys that could have a bit more potential. I know nothing about modding things but would like to start..thanx!
I've got the original monotron and the duo but yet to circuitbend them so maybe it was something else you saw/someone else's gear in one of my shots? Not sure... Anyway monotron mods are very well documented on various sites + they can be turned into a much more advanced synth (i've even seen them made into semi-modular kind of things which is probably what i'll try)... It's more of a 'theory' modification thing than a good random circuitbending target, digital keyboards etc are better for that..
Oh yeah it was my friend's side of the setup, I think actually it's just broken rather than modified tho ha :D
Yeah just google 'monotron mods' etc and you should find some good guidelines, there's even official schematics from korg out there
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split that shit. coming out from the little amp to recorder and larger amp
Got a weird casio keyboard with built in double cassette deck and radio! Been recording some noise 80's style, re-dubbing stuff by recording tape to tape while playing additional keyboard and external tape deck totally distorted thru the mic in. The shoebox deck here can record with fast forward jammed down for nice super-slowed down murk.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/timdrage/IMG_1922tapes_zpsdrmjrzng.jpg)
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Satanoid.... holy shit!!!! that's mouthwatering!
and an old VHS video box retooled as a box of mysterious tricks.... :) :)
Quote from: Cementimental on September 18, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
Got a weird casio keyboard with built in double cassette deck and radio! Been recording some noise 80's style, re-dubbing stuff by recording tape to tape while playing additional keyboard and external tape deck totally distorted thru the mic in. The shoebox deck here can record with fast forward jammed down for nice super-slowed down murk.
*huge lump of pixels*
That's amazing!! What is it called?
Quote from: Pax Chetyorka on September 21, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: Cementimental on September 18, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
Got a weird casio keyboard with built in double cassette deck and radio! Been recording some noise 80's style, re-dubbing stuff by recording tape to tape while playing additional keyboard and external tape deck totally distorted thru the mic in. The shoebox deck here can record with fast forward jammed down for nice super-slowed down murk.
*huge lump of pixels*
That's amazing!! What is it called?
Casio CK-500. some models seem to have different types of radio in them, mine has LW/MW/FM but some i've seen have shortwave which would be even more amazing :)
Ha yeah sorry if the image came out huge..
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Current Live Fleeting Breath set-up. As of this week and for a performance this weekend.
- Modular rig run into mixer.
- Sampler loaded with all kinds of fun into mixer.
- Dronelab into Alesis Nanoverb and Filter Queen, mixer.
- 4 track with loop tape and cassette of pre-recorded loop improv into primitive 2-channel mixer/"echo box", then DD-5, then mixer.
That's it. Crappy zoom multi-effect into FX loop of mixer for limiting and reverb.
Picked up a slightly battered Fostex M80 cheap recently. Reel to reel 8-tracker. It will either be indispendible to my setup or just take up space.
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This is a oscillator built by Apollo Music for me.
https://www.facebook.com/Apollo-Music-Service-1490045494552791/?ref=br_tf
Tomorrow I will go to pick it. Can't wait to test it!!!
No pics of my current live setup, but it's a Samson mixer with two iOS systems - one controlled by Arturia minikeys - and a vocal setup using a Boss DE200 delay into a Digitech DSP-128.
I used to use all hardware live, but since the majority of SUBKLINIK stuff is sequenced, the iOS programs work perfectly.
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My new gear:
Mooer ShimVerb Digital Reverb
Apollo Relaxer Synth Oscillator built by Apollo Music Service
and my gorgeous white kitty :)
Thanx a lot to Marco Wertham for letting me know about little Mooer Reverb. Can't wait to test it!
(https://forum.noiseguide.com/download/file.php?id=736)
Latest "noise" mobile rig, although I have been able to get quick a lot of "rhythm" from this lot so I would call it more of an industrial rig to be honest. I'm not sure what genre / tag my sounds are but I don't really care.
Quote from: Soloman Tump on October 22, 2019, 03:50:25 PM
(https://forum.noiseguide.com/download/file.php?id=736)
Latest "noise" mobile rig, although I have been able to get quick a lot of "rhythm" from this lot so I would call it more of an industrial rig to be honest. I'm not sure what genre / tag my sounds are but I don't really care.
What's that thin white rectangle in the upper right? Looks like an MP3 player
Its an Olympus LS-P1
I use it for making field recordings but also recording out direct from the mixer.
Quote from: Cementimental on July 30, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
Oh yeah it was my friend's side of the setup, I think actually it's just broken rather than modified tho ha :D
Yeah just google 'monotron mods' etc and you should find some good guidelines, there's even official schematics from korg out there
(http://www.n01ze.com/monotronmod2.jpg)
(http://www.n01ze.com/monotronmod.jpg)
my old CV modded Monotron makes a handy test VCO^
screws on side are wired to points on PCB...
Eye use alligator clips with it
bought it the day it was released...
played noise show with it that night..
old digicam photos...
used it expansion for my modular Sequential Circuits Pro One
made it run with the built in sequencer
hmmm where the fuck is it....
...also have Monotron Duo hiding around here somewhere
here is a quick start:
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That case is so crammed, thus it's impossible putting in 3.5mm jacks.
The other option is create breakout box.
found some other points poking around on the circuit...