Huh? No Incapacitants topic yet? At least search didn't come up with such.
Perhaps one could say Incapacitants is talked in so many forums and so many decades, why another topic? Well, I guess question could be why not?
I have not been totally captured by some of the latest releases. While one could say Incapacitants repeats their set over and over again, I guess it's only true if you look at surface level. One can easily find at least 4 different phases of Incapacitants and further variation between some individual releases. Lets say, early solo works of Mikawa until REPO, which sums well 80's. Then change to noise duo format with extremely piercing, high pitched and noisy sound. Feedback Of N.M.S. setting new standard of disturbing noise assault for next 5 years. Then more bass-loaded & heavier electronic sound with theremins and oscillators etc. known from Ministry of Foolishness, As Loud As Possible, etc. Late 90's and early 2000's appears like they started to collaborate more and do splits. Often appears like it was live stuff and some "less album" kind of material there. Sheer noise, though! Then more recent times, band started to proceed further into electronic again. Tight LP or Mon? Ma. Mon!! CD for example seemed like half&half less noisy electronics and typical Incapacitants routines.
That's my impression. There are very different things when comparing sound or especially when some collaborator is involved.
I have not been too blown out by any new release for almost 10 years. There is good stuff, but often not so amazing. But what the hell! This 2012 INCAPACITANTS / TORTURING NURSE split 7" was something I had stashed in long row of 7"s to be listened "later on", as I didn't think it was something I needed to spin immediately (for mentioned reason). However. Now today, already this much later, I find myself spinning Incapacitants side 4th time in row, hoping that more stuff like this should be published!!! Too bad this is ltd to 108 copies only, but judging how long I sold it in my distro (now all gone), I guess it was just about right amount. But what a track! One guy does electronics what sound almost like echoing water splashing. It has some similarity to elegant beauty of older AGENCEMENT works. On top of this, is the ultra harsh and piercing high pitched feedback, tormenting ears with harshest contact mic distortions and at end of track wild screaming vocals emerge. Fucking brilliant track what appears to be composed specially 7" side in mind. Length and development is so on spot. It never goes to full on noise havoc. Totally controlled, perfectly executed. I hope they could sometime soon produce new good "studio album" like this. Not just routine of throwing some session + live track as filler, but proper album with this much of new innovation and power!
What is there to say that hasn't already been said? Or what is there to say overall? I turn to The Incapacitants when I want Harsh Noise and don't want to be disappointed - when I want no surprises, no "innovation", no "finely crafted" wankery, no pretention, no fucking around, just sheer onrushing power and intensity. When all is said (and said and said) and done, all they do is get behind a couple of tables of gear linked up to amps and go fucking ape. It just works. Analyse it to death if you want, but it's always just going to work.
Mind you, I've got no desire to get everything and compare the nuances. I've got "Box Is Stupid", "The Pariah Tapes", "El Shanbara Therminosis" on cd, the split with Sewer Election on vinyl and a few things on hard drive, and that is more than enough for me (well, I wouldn't turn down the Alchemy box). A blazing hot curry is great every now and then but every night it would loose its flavour.
I like INCAPACITANTS very much, but, I guess that their power of art/music/noise comes from live acts, not from releases. No doubt one of the greatest noise live band ever .... Their releases aren't so good, but still classic.
The two amazing retrospective sets that Mikko and Lasse respectively put out are still on CONSTANT rotation; such amazing go-to sets to throw on, especially if you don't want to wear out your old cassettes, etc.
And yes, SPOILED the last few years with the volume of newer releases - my favorite being the Cold Spring ltd. LP.
i passed on the torturing nurse split but was obviously foolish to do so. bummer, will have to track down a copy at some stage. i think my favourite incapacitants related release of the past 10 years is mikawa's gyo-kai elegy. looking forward to checking out the new solo cd on alchemy also but current funds are putting orders on hold for now. of the splurge of 2012 releases, zashikiwarashi effect was probably my favourite but i guess that doesn't really count since it's all recordings from the 90's. anyone here have any comments on the quasispecies four lp released this year (mikawa/agencement/nobuo yamada/katsuyoshi kou collab)? it's top of my to-order list along with the aforementioned mikawa solo disc
I was truly impressed by the split w/Torturing Nurse. Their best track since the year 2000 in my opinion.
The track from the split with Torturing Nurse reminded me of the opening to Operorue (needs a reissue).
Someone compared Arseterror to Incapacitants before. Whitehouse was mentioned too. Pretty high praise for my shitty project
QuoteOperorue (needs a reissue).
SECONDED. Their heaviest and most powerful release.
I recall this was 1000 copies pressed was it?
I see Kubitsuri label is still around, but I would suspect they wouldn't do it? Operorue is good disc. Only thing I don't like in that, is the abrupt stops in last track. Where sound pauses for very short time and continues. I was always intending to ask artist was this glitch or meant to be like that? Sonically it is perfect example of that "1995 sound", where most people appear to praise As Loud As Possible, while I prefer Ministry Of Foolishness, and lately when was listening re-issue of El Shanbara Therminosis, I'm pretty sure it would be equally potential case of worship, if it wasn't smaller edition tape back then. Now popular opinion is mostly leaning to easily available american CD release that had good covers. Which is very logical. I'm quite sure most people like the most the very first album they heard from project.
Nothing much to add, except praise for already mentioned Mikawa's solo CD and total worship of most of Incapacitants' work.
Even the newer electronic stuff works for me.
Quote from: tisbor on May 14, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
Even the newer electronic stuff works for me.
Ditto. I understand that for most people the only good stuff is up until c. 2000, but lots of newer stuff I've found to be nice as fuck as well, even if my personal favorites (Quietus, Extreme Gospel Nights) are older, too. But honestly, discs like Sec End and more recently Mon, Ma, Mon!!!, or the No Fun registration (although Pain Jerk really takes the cake there) have been utterly fucking enjoyable. Especially Sec End with its ridiculously piercing harsh sounds is fantastic. (As was mentioned Zashikiwarashi Effect was great, but indeed doesn't really count.) Right now spinning Eat Meat Manifesto which I guess is nothing really special but still manages to hit all the right buttons with me. Can't comment on the split with Torturing Nurse as I've not really focused on the vinyl side of things yet. Only snagged up the Cold Spring 12" when it came out but haven't given it a spin yet. Otherwise, vinyl aside, consider myself to have a pretty decent collection (Alchemy Box Is Stupid, Box Is Stupid, Pariah Tapes + a load of a regular releases, some of which double in the boxes) but always looking to have more. The feel Incaps give me is generally one of utmost, undiluted, utter harsh noise pleasure, be it of the crunch kind, the high piercing kind or the blown out electronic kind - it's all good!
I tried to avoid posting here in order to save my breath, but in response to this:
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on May 13, 2014, 12:52:54 PM
I've got "Box Is Stupid", "The Pariah Tapes", "El Shanbara Therminosis" on cd, the split with Sewer Election on vinyl and a few things on hard drive, and that is more than enough for me (well, I wouldn't turn down the Alchemy box).
I will simply say that, in my view, the holy trinity are:
Feeback of NMS
Quietus
No Progress
All on Alchemy.
(I could go on and on, but will (try to) leave it at that.)
I listened "Burning Orange" cd very loudly today and it's fucking great harsh blasting on both tracks. Try to listen this cd as loud as possible and you will be surprised with specter of harsh frequencies.
My copy of Extreme Gospel Nights has extremely unequal levels. The right one seems about correct but the left is at the bottom. The sound out of the left speaker is also very low. Was this the case on all copies? Would be great to hear from others who own this tape.
Quote from: accidental on July 24, 2016, 09:00:12 PM
My copy of Extreme Gospel Nights has extremely unequal levels.
My copy sounds just fine (no. 209), but the mp3 rip I got some years age sounds just like you describe your copy.
Don't know how precisely should be if i say that purchasing all three CD boxes (Pariah Tapes, Box Is Stupid, Alchemy Box Is Stupid) should sum Incapacitant's progression and how inspirational are from 90s harsh americanoise to Harsh Noise Wall(?).
Quote from: Baglady on July 25, 2016, 08:34:31 AM
My copy sounds just fine (no. 209), but the mp3 rip I got some years age sounds just like you describe your copy.
My copy is about ten numbers up from yours. On black tape and black strip with silver text as labels. I bought mine sealed from a guy in europe. Never experienced this with any other Vanilla tapes.
Weird that the mp3 rip was like that. What could cause this? I play mine on a Nak deck and i haven't had issues like this with any other tape so far on this deck.
Mine came sealed as well (but with clear shell and the same label as the one on discogs), bought from the Tordon distro couple of years ago.
Can't imagine there would be any problem with your Nak deck, but yeah, Vanilla cassettes are usually dubbed fine. Weird indeed.
of the shows I saw, live was certainly more inspirational than disc.
maybe this was as a latecomer to them, the catch up process was relegated when seeing here and now in the flesh, always with a joy at doing what they were doing.
I have a duplicate copy of the Torturing Nurse/Incapacitants 7" for sale/trade if anyone is interested.
I like Ministry Of Foolishness the best.
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=4739.0
I like Ministry Of Foolishness the best.
Any thoughts on Survival Of The Laziest yet? Surprised I haven't seen or heard any comments about it at all.
Quote from: Baglady on August 28, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
Any thoughts on Survival Of The Laziest yet? Surprised I haven't seen or heard any comments about it at all.
For a start ignore this rip off prices on discogs, you can get it from amazon Japan at cheaper than retail price
Only listened to it a couple of times and it is pretty much what you expect - few tracks and Long live track at the end. Is it essential? No. Is it fun to listen to? Absolutely. Harsh noise the way the masters do it
OH MY GOODNESS.
Been revisiting a lot of Japanese acts recently and had a trundle through a few discs of the recently re-issued NOISE WAR set and was totally blown away by the Incapacitants track. Such a non stop blast. Seems somebody has stuck this up on Youtube which is either helpful or annoying depending on how you feel about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047I2szyprk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=047I2szyprk)
I've always struggled a bit with Incapacitants recorded output, feeling like the high pitched, wild 'ecstatic' tones - while enjoyable - leave me wanting a bit for some body and grit. Not the case here. But is that a symptom of the shorter compilation track style? In any case I guess I'll need to start seriously re-investigating their albums.
Can't say i've gone out of my way to follow any of the post late-90s stuff, but all of it is ace imo.
tho its a pre-INC solo joint, Toshiji Mikawa 'RADIO CODE' is a personal fave.
i agree OPERORUE could use a reissue.... i think the last one i listened to was DEFAULT STANDARD or LIVE INCAPACITANTS, don't really remember what came first.
My fabe hands down is MINISTRY OF FOOLISHNESS. like Mikko said, lots of oscillators, lower bass, less of just all out assault = all out assault structured into more coherent pieces, but still w that Incapacitated wandering going on. everything else tho; REPO, NMS, SHANBARA, QUIETUS, GOSPEL NIGHTS (prob my 2nd fave), CPMD etc etc, all scorchers.
playing with them at the No Fun 07 thing, they were probably one of the better sets of the whole weekend. pretty sure i remember seeing Mikko on the side of stage too, thoughts on that set vs others??? were super super cool guys too, party animals....
Quote from: Kayandah on August 29, 2017, 02:33:45 AM
Quote from: Baglady on August 28, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
Any thoughts on Survival Of The Laziest yet? Surprised I haven't seen or heard any comments about it at all.
For a start ignore this rip off prices on discogs, you can get it from amazon Japan at cheaper than retail price
Only listened to it a couple of times and it is pretty much what you expect - few tracks and Long live track at the end. Is it essential? No. Is it fun to listen to? Absolutely. Harsh noise the way the masters do it
Survival Of The Laziest is imo the best full-length Incaps since Burning Orange, and the best proper Incaps (not just live stuff) since 73. 73 for me was all about the two short studio tracks – total hole-rippers which were nonetheless dwarfed by two massive live tracks - and thus only barely to squeak in as full-length proper.
Which would then make SOTL the best proper full-length - studio + live – Incaps since Sec End. SE has blown hot and cold for me over the years... recently the aural passages report consistently scorched, but the passages are an (increasingly) unreliable lot as likely to report utter scorch as utter toss depending on which way the ozone blows.
So then, uncontested by the fickle ear (mine), Survival Of The Laziest is:
the best proper full-length Incaps since Default Standard and/or Unauthorized Fatal Operation, both from 1999! (I discount the otherwise utterly hole-blowing Zashikiwarashi Effect as the studio material dates from the mid-late 90s)
But is Survival Of The Laziest actually proper studio + live full-length? The two opening tracks, editions Kosakai and Mikawa respectively, sound as though they might be two different mixes of the same live session... possibly the live session entitled "Live at Bushbash 20160611" to close out the four-piece suite. The one obvious studio track, Noah Ark oscillation, is consistent with the more recent Mikawa-dominated electro direction and, though quite decent in its tense en-vocalled turd burglary, is for me the low point of the disc.
Still, given all that. The sounds on offer are fairly convincing. Unlike the last time Editions Kosakai and Mikawa were presented (on Ad Nauseam), the raging of the two opening tracks is fairly uniform. Uniform in clear deviation from any studio work previously offered. Wild extremes roaring across the frequency spectrum through high-pressured, bass-heavy, thunder n smother. Jumble of chaotic frenzied free-for-all as might be envisaged in a live performance. If there are "electro" elements in here, they are completely buried under the heaving, fluctuating, mass, the overall stench of live amplification conveying a rougher, filthier, warmer, analog flavor. The nearest comparison might be "Incapacitants live twice" from Asset Without Liability, except here the textures are much more "full" and brought to life via constant, billowing, surface movement. Surface movement seems to me a more recent preoccupation of Mikawa, going by some of his recent live performances (both recorded and in the flesh) so perhaps none of this should be surprising. But overall, after a good decade's worth of crystal clear Incaps, a rather pleasant surprise. In short, unlike anything I've previously encountered on disc from the banker buds, but very consistent with a number of occasions encountered live. The 32-minute live track only reinforces this point, sounding not unlike the two opening numbers, and actually sounding damn good. Some of the best "live" Incapacitants presented in recent memory, with crowd appropriately appreciative.
Footnote. Those who pre-ordered were also gifted with a separate 10-minute cdr containing "Untitled Studio Outtake" featuring Kosakai on guitar. I discovered this literally the day I received my regular copy of SOTL in the post. There was at that moment a discogs seller in Japan offering the two-disc set at only a slightly inflated price and given my love of Kosakai in full rockstar mode I was sorely tempted. Hesitated for three days and then it disappeared. Kind of glad I hesitated but... there is now a discogs seller offering just the cdr for $100! Nice...
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on February 09, 2018, 07:45:21 AM
Quote from: Kayandah on August 29, 2017, 02:33:45 AM
Only listened to it a couple of times and it is pretty much what you expect - few tracks and Long live track at the end. Is it essential? No. Is it fun to listen to? Absolutely. Harsh noise the way the masters do it
So then, uncontested by the fickle ear (mine), Survival Of The Laziest is:
the best proper full-length Incaps since Default Standard and/or Unauthorized Fatal Operation, both from 1999! (I discount the otherwise utterly hole-blowing Zashikiwarashi Effect as the studio material dates from the mid-late 90s)
But is Survival Of The Laziest actually proper studio + live full-length?
I have tried over the years, latest being couple weeks ago, to contact Alchemy Records for wholesale purchases, but no luck. It would be great to be able to sell these items within "noise scene", beyond the discogs dealers. I never been into amazon purchases, nor I buy much from discogs, so when I haven't seen the CD anywhere where I generally buy items, I have fallen into heretic move and listened this album via youtube.
It is annoying, to know that sound is perhaps not all what it could be, and perhaps even more so, since like Slutbag colorfully explains, it really is THE BEST Incapacitants release for about 10 years!
I agree, that live track is not essential. It is no way bad or useless. It's total Incapacitants frenzy, but studio tracks themselves would have been "album length" and to offer utterly crushing full on studio album in 2017, would have been probably underlining superiority, instead of lining it together with many other Incapacitants albums with same template of
first studio stuff then one gig as bonus.I hope to get this CD in my collection, as won't be listening more of it online to get full on real experience....
To feed the hunger for Incapacitants, I re-visited complete
BOX IS STUPID set. 3-4 CD's a day, 3 days later, one can conclude that it is pretty much flawless release. There are couple releases what are not as good as Incapacitants at its best, but even those are good simply due giving alternative approach for short while. Like Kosakai CD of Ad Nauseum tape. It's not good through our whole duration, simply for being weirdo experimental rather than noise, but placing this as 5th disc of 10 CD box is perhaps just the needed milestone to make you appreciate the next 5 CD's of full blast that is about to come. Absolutely essential box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASa80SyUCso&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0SKa0WnJ4Jej14FcJ4BnvxdI3poyZyOp6Fjm4DnCT1bPlAsuFCIxz3IdQ
https://special-interests.net/main/incapacitants/
Interview made long ago...
No further questions your honor.
QuoteJojo Hiroshige said in old Bananafish interview that some noise artists like Masonna and Hanatarashi sound like they are trying to revenge being bullied as children by being as unpleasant and harsh as possible, but Incapacitants is different – mostly interested seeing how much power you can generate with noise. Is this your goal in noise? To generate as much power as possible. Or like one of your CD's is titled "As loud as possible"?
-Basically, Yes should be the answer to this question.
INCAPACITANTS "Ostracized Enigmatic Conqueror" cd
OEC
I missed the previous album. If anyone has spare copy of the 2017 CD, I'd be willing to buy / trade! Seems to be like 1st track continues in spirit of that CD. It is hard, rough, ripping, loud as fuck. Really, really good Incapacitants noise blasting. In the new noisextra episode GX talks about the old scene, where everybody sounded clearly different. There was barely anonymous noise, or "scene noise", so to say. It was all individual driven, where vision of the artist was the absolute focus point. While nowadays you got ton of bands who are excellent noise, but often could be done by anyone. The more true it becomes the more narrow focus you got and suddenly just about everybody has the same tricks and even similar tools to do them.
Incapacitants - well - that's another story, as they are so old. How difficult it is to make loudest and harshest noise? How difficult it is to keep it interesting? For duration of 60 mins... or... 40 years? Opening track of this CD is such a monster, it vitalizes my faith in Incapacitants to levels that two less interesting tracks are not big downers. First track is perhaps the safest of these. Something that can't be not liked. There is that clarity and high speed modulation of sounds, damage and free form chaos that is not so common in noise. Songs like these remains unique to Incapacitants. Some have attempted to copy it, but not succeeded 100%.
The other studio track is the later days style, where electronics are very "electric". Not broken. Not so noisy. Colorful, busy, electronic, even toy-esque vibe can be heard. It is good in contrast to first track, but as stand alone track, I would not return to it. In highly traditional manner, 3rd track that makes half of the album, is 2018 live assault. At times, fucking brilliant live noise. At times, you got the toy-electronics/pitch-modulation/sound bending and such oddities happening. With Merzbow, I have felt that the odd noise moments, random jumps into wrong direction and returning to good sounds is part of his free flowing colorful noise works. With Incapacitants, their work used to be so solid and tight, now occasional slips to weirdo effects is hard to swallow. In one hand, it underlines how good the other moments of live set are. In other hand.... well...
What about the recent cd with The New Blockaders? I've been meaning to pick it up. Seems like it has to be a massive headache!
https://hospitalproductions.net/collections/new-products-new/products/incapacitants-stupid-is-stupid-black-vinyl-4xlp-preorder (https://hospitalproductions.net/collections/new-products-new/products/incapacitants-stupid-is-stupid-black-vinyl-4xlp-preorder)
Now this is what I'm talkin' about....
Quote from: holy ghost on September 12, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
https://hospitalproductions.net/collections/new-products-new/products/incapacitants-stupid-is-stupid-black-vinyl-4xlp-preorder (https://hospitalproductions.net/collections/new-products-new/products/incapacitants-stupid-is-stupid-black-vinyl-4xlp-preorder)
Now this is what I'm talkin' about....
Yikes! Glad I have the ol' tape version. Shipping that reissue to Europe must cost a fortune.
Curious why
As Loud As Possible and
Operorue haven't got reissued yet? Used copies of those albums aren't so cheap anymore, yet the former is considered a landmark release and the latter is a fan favorite (well, mine at least.)
Operorue is one that's eluded me - I'd love to see that reissued too.
I, Residuum, Extreme Gospel Nights and now Stupid is Stupid which were all on the Box is Stupid set.... so hopefully they'll work their way through the whole set and then? I can't say I dislike this fancy vinyl reissue trend.
As most of you will already know, Operorue was reissued by Helicopter/Troniks!
Looking forward for mine to arrive.
Of course I grabbed Operoue last year when a copy popped up on discogs for reasonably cheap and now I bought the reissue too!! Heck!!
My favorite release by Incapacitants is Ostracizied Enigmatic Conqueror released by Old Europa Cafe. That's a wild sounding one and I might be an odd one out in saying so, but it's certainly my favorite one of theirs.
damn... while merging the topics, one of the messages accidentally got deleted. Was it Deadpriest who may have had short message..