Thoughts? Feelings?
Basically, several suicide bombings, one bombing and several shootings coordinated by currently unkown assailants in paris. Also, over 100 hostages was taken, some got out but others situation is unclear as of writing this.
We need to purge this continent from this multicultural scum. Women, children, men, every fucking one of them.
It was Hollande who wanted to bomb Syria [Assad] so these submonkeys have a bigger and more capable "state". Ofcource they didn't call them jihadists / terrorists back then but Syrian opposition, democrats, Arabian spring, whatever.
Still everything media are saying is followed by "But aren't all muslims like that". Muslims [Sunis] should be the first to react against the Islamic State if they were not like that. Like Iran, Hezbollah, Kurds, Assad do ! The rest are the same shit, just not smelling a lot yet. Give them space, time to birth children, freedoms and in some decades [If not sooner] Sharia will be the law in your country.
You see men aged 20-50 YO coming with the "refugees". Traitors of their own homeland ! Even with the modern multi-culti liberal standards, what kind of citizen in a new country will become someone who when his homeland / family is under attack, he runs away instead of fighting back, defending ?
If everyone of those men who run away was taking a gun and going to fight, Islamic State wouldn't exist. Kurds are not many, still they fight and defend their territory effectively.
The region where Islamic State is has to be bombed till no living creature survive. With atomic bombs if necessary. Noone to escape. Noone is "innocent" there. Let their children live and all you have is future problems.
Who's to say the Islamists wont win in the end?
"Lesson1
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Threat Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Lesson 2(a)
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Lesson 2(b)
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
Lesson (3a)
**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
Lesson 3(b)
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And
they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the
countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will
get hammered!
Lesson 4
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!
And We just can't figure out who's causing the problem."
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/the-paris-attacks-were-a-declaration-of-war-against-islam-itself/
Hang on, I thought we all got really aroused by mass murderers with extreme totalitarian ideologies on here?
Am I in the wrong forum?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 14, 2015, 11:32:31 PM
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And
they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the
countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will
get hammered!
They aren't happy in Poland. Here is low range of living... Here is intolerant society.... Here is 95% of stupid catholics... The nation is dominated by Vatican's pope....
Conclusion?
Change your country. The Poland should be perfect example.
(for clarity, I am ironic)
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on November 15, 2015, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 14, 2015, 11:32:31 PM
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?
Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And
they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the
countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will
get hammered!
They aren't happy in Poland. Here is low range of living... Here is intolerant society.... Here is 95% of stupid catholics... The nation is dominated by Vatican's pope....
Conclusion?
Change your country. The Poland should be perfect example.
(for clarity, I am ironic)
RE: POLAND
I posted this a couple weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTe5YNHBQA&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Theodore on November 15, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
So ? We have to praise our enemy ?
Well I'll be disappointed if there isn't at least one limited edition cassette release with a poorly photocopied image of the shootings on the cover. Are you some kind of liberal or something?
It's all wank fodder when it's Nazi atrocities or chopping up prostitutes. Why is this any different?
Quote from: eraciator on November 15, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Theodore on November 15, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
So ? We have to praise our enemy ?
Well I'll be disappointed if there isn't at least one limited edition cassette release with a poorly photocopied image of the shootings on the cover. Are you some kind of liberal or something?
It's all wank fodder when it's Nazi atrocities or chopping up prostitutes. Why is this any different?
I suppose it's different because it could be us, or people we know - people like us - that this is happening to. For the Nazi atrocities, it was a little unreal, because it was a generation before, and, y'know, 'they' weren't 'us'. Also, it was transgressive because it's one of the big taboos in society. As for the prossies, again, it couldn't be happening to 'us' because (let's face it), most p.e. fans are male.
I'm sure there are many other factors, but that this is happening now - and will happen again soon enough - means none of us is really safe.
Quote from: eraciator on November 15, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Theodore on November 15, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
So ? We have to praise our enemy ?
Well I'll be disappointed if there isn't at least one limited edition cassette release with a poorly photocopied image of the shootings on the cover. Are you some kind of liberal or something?
It's all wank fodder when it's Nazi atrocities or chopping up prostitutes. Why is this any different?
I ll try to keep calm and give you an answer. Even if there will be such a release [Maybe] do you think that means the artist supports these attacks or Jihad in general ? Do you think every nazi reference / photo or dead prostitute on a cover / lyrics means the artist is necessarily nazi or killer ?
This is different [For me] because i know my enemies. Those fucking jihadists are my enemies. I hate them. Can you understand that ? So even if it's interesting what does a pathetic looser to suicide taking with him dozens of innocents in the name of his god, that's not my main concern in this case.
And i don't have any problem if such cover release exist. I maybe buy it, if it's good. Neither i would have any problem if someone appeared and said "Look, i support jihadists and i admire their actions cause this + that". What my problem is the fucking apolitic / no brainer comments, saying more or less, in other words "Wow, cause of them we can now have a bunch of dead people photos for releases" or "Wow, they gave us show to watch on TV" and then call me a liberal ! Seems you are exactly like the liberals want you, apolitic ! Not knowing who your enemies are. Sorry.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 15, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
I posted this a couple weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTe5YNHBQA&feature=youtu.be
Yeah, this man is a very funny retard and liar. I didn't know that he may be used as good example for something.
But he is correct about immigrants these days, they are only after easy life and social benefits. Leeches of our society.
Some reasonable analysis. First I'd heard of this "Management Of Savagery" text.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis)
QuoteRadical Arab Sunni revivalism, which Isis now spearheads, is a dynamic, revolutionary countercultural movement of world historic proportions, with the largest and most diverse volunteer fighting force since the second world war. In less than two years, it has created a dominion over hundreds of thousands of square kilometres and millions of people. Despite being attacked on all sides by internal and external foes, it has not been degraded to any appreciable degree, while rooting ever stronger in areas it controls and expanding its influence in deepening pockets throughout Eurasia.
I think it's very significant that they are so blatant about using young idealists for violent ends. When previous ideologies have done that, they've had some success. The human race never lacks for cannon fodder.
The usual left/right arguments - it's all the US's fault versus bomb the bastards - are just everyone hitching their usual bandwagons onto this. In the meantime, Islamists are kicking goals. Bombing Syria doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. Guerrilla armies tend to be difficult to destroy, and lone wolves nearly always almost impossible to detect beforehand.
I'll rephrase my previous question - who's to say they can be defeated?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 16, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
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The usual left/right arguments - it's all the US's fault versus bomb the bastards - are just everyone hitching their usual bandwagons onto this. In the meantime, Islamists are kicking goals. Bombing Syria doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. Guerrilla armies tend to be difficult to destroy, and lone wolves nearly always almost impossible to detect beforehand.
I'll rephrase my previous question - who's to say they can be defeated?
Probably not, if anyone just hunkers down in their personal ideological bunkers even harder due to this and never even start to realize that this might be a damn complex issue. Even worse are people who espouse some black & white worldview of us vs them, giving isis more than enough of what they aimed to get with these kinds of attacks. Fun fact: A lot of these people tend to be second and third generation immigrants, not the folk invading (or 'invading', you choose) your land through your borders right now. Maybe it would be a thing to figure out a way to stop these kids from becoming radicals at some point without some simple minded solution like 'send them back'?
Ah, fuck it. I prolly should just shut up before even here I get screamed at for being far-right, far-left, terrorist apolegetic or whatever else when I don't agree with someones world view.
As for your question, I want to think that ISIS will eventually break down due to its own madness and impossibility. They tend to burn lot of bridges for potential allies with all that brutality (you might be doing something wrong when even other islamist extremists stop working with you due to your actions) and in long run, their system seems to be quite unsustainable. Who knows? But I think that whatever solution to this there is, it wont be a simple one action plan like bomb the fuck out of them.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 16, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Some reasonable analysis. First I'd heard of this "Management Of Savagery" text.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/terrorists-isis)
QuoteRadical Arab Sunni revivalism, which Isis now spearheads, is a dynamic, revolutionary countercultural movement of world historic proportions, with the largest and most diverse volunteer fighting force since the second world war. In less than two years, it has created a dominion over hundreds of thousands of square kilometres and millions of people. Despite being attacked on all sides by internal and external foes, it has not been degraded to any appreciable degree, while rooting ever stronger in areas it controls and expanding its influence in deepening pockets throughout Eurasia.
I think it's very significant that they are so blatant about using young idealists for violent ends. When previous ideologies have done that, they've had some success. The human race never lacks for cannon fodder.
The usual left/right arguments - it's all the US's fault versus bomb the bastards - are just everyone hitching their usual bandwagons onto this. In the meantime, Islamists are kicking goals. Bombing Syria doesn't seem to be having the desired effect. Guerrilla armies tend to be difficult to destroy, and lone wolves nearly always almost impossible to detect beforehand.
I'll rephrase my previous question - who's to say they can be defeated?
Very interesting analysis (and thanks for bringing back the discussion on planet earth).
My concern is not Islam per se (no more no less than other religion), but Salafism and other form of integralist rganisation that have been used actively during the so-called Arab springs. During the inital stage, these people were bred and fed by the west (especially by France, the Uk and partly by USA) to destabilise the whole Arabic/Maghreb area. First Saddam, then Gheddafi, Mubarak, etc. All dictators who have been allied to countries of the west for one reason or the other, that became useless or too independent to be trusted.
In Syria (as in Egypt), big groups of religious fanatics have been supported to take down Assad, but things went out of hand (as already happened in Afghanistan with the mujaeddin turned to Taliban, who were trained in the Balkans by a weird mix of Islamic countries and US baked mercenaries, often coming also from Italy/Switzerland, ecc).
What happened in Paris was announced and more shit seems to be on its way and won't be solved by resending immigrants back to they come from, since the danger in Europe is represented by people with European passports and who are British, French, ecc. citizens.
Not an easy situation you can solve in one week end.
Quote from: F_c_O on November 16, 2015, 10:03:56 AM
I want to think that ISIS will eventually break down due to its own madness and impossibility. They tend to burn lot of bridges for potential allies with all that brutality (you might be doing something wrong when even other islamist extremists stop working with you due to your actions) and in long run, their system seems to be quite unsustainable.
These are good points. As I understand it, ISIS were actually kicked out of Al Qaeda for being too full on. But I also understand overtures have been made between the two organisations again. Alliances stand or fall on expediency, and I think "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is originally an Arabic slogan. In any case, if ISIS are the current top dogs it will attract others to them.
Mind you, I have wondered in the past how ISIS would deal with, for example, Boko Haram. Racism between Arabs and Africans has been sore for centuries.
As for sustainability, I tend to think that's an issue too. At this stage it's impossible for a lay observer like me to call. Probably for professionals, too. But it's not like there aren't any precedents. I think of the Russian revolution - they just took over entire infrastructures, and yes, ran them to the ground, but controlled them nonetheless while building new ones. And I don't know if ISIS have the same class scruples the communists did, so keeping managers in charge of factories, for example, might not be such a big deal for them.
Obviously I don't know enough to say, I'm just speculating based on my meager knowledge. But in short, I also like to think they've bitten off more than they can chew. Some pundits have suggested the fact that they're re-resorting to terrorism is a sign they're feeling weak with their caliphate. Maybe.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 16, 2015, 10:25:21 AM
What happened in Paris was announced...
I didn't know that. That suggests either laxness in French security, or inefficiency. Or, as at S11, the terrorists were just the better team on the day.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 16, 2015, 10:25:21 AM...and more shit seems to be on its way...
Without a doubt.
too bad it is only in Italian.
http://www.fascinazione.info/2015/11/dopo-parigi-che-fare.html
I am not a fan of Cardini (historic researcher and archeologist with right wing background, but now active in culture at 360 degrees), but this article does not miss one point.
- differences between Daesh and the rest of the Islamic world
- the war is also against Sciites
- the background of terrorists born in Europe
- France giving money to extremism against Gheddafi and Assad
- striking Daesh in syria won't solve the problem completely, since these unites are often "leaderless resistance" cells, using the Is brand, but not necessarily connected to the root of the problem,
.
ecc.
an interview to Cardini about the funds http://espresso.repubblica.it/plus/articoli/2015/06/29/news/ecco-chi-finanzia-il-califfato-1.219189?ref=fbpe
Quote from: MT on November 16, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
But he is correct about immigrants these days, they are only after easy life and social benefits. Leeches of our society.
It speaks in German that Polish people are thiefs.
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on November 16, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: MT on November 16, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
But he is correct about immigrants these days, they are only after easy life and social benefits. Leeches of our society.
It speaks in German that Polish people are thiefs.
Ha ha!
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on November 16, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: MT on November 16, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
But he is correct about immigrants these days, they are only after easy life and social benefits. Leeches of our society.
It speaks in German that Polish people are thiefs.
no, worst thieves are greasy Italians. bloody wops, they should all be sent back to Naples to play mandolino with their baffi neri
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 16, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: ImpulsyStetoskopu on November 16, 2015, 01:41:24 PM
Quote from: MT on November 16, 2015, 08:53:59 AM
But he is correct about immigrants these days, they are only after easy life and social benefits. Leeches of our society.
It speaks in German that Polish people are thiefs.
no, worst thieves are greasy Italians. bloody wops, they should all be sent back to Naples to play mandolino with their baffi neri
Hahaha, good one :) I heard only about "greasy", with combs inside a back pocket of the pants :)
I didn't mean there was a date, etc. (although there are conspiracy theorists who are sure that Jews/Masons/Aliens are behind it and stated the exact date lol, read this demented piece http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/were-the-paris-attacks-predicted-on-the-january-cover-of-the-economist/), but several times France was threatened and alarmed to wait for something bigger than Hebdo's carnage. Intelligence and geopolical experts have been warning about it since January.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/french-and-belgian-intelligence-knew-paris-attackers-had-jihadi-backgrounds (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/french-and-belgian-intelligence-knew-paris-attackers-had-jihadi-backgrounds)
QuoteAt one point, Abu Oud recounts being stopped by a policeman who checked him against the picture in his wanted notice but still failed to recognise him and let him go.
QuoteSimilarly, Sami Amimour, one of the gunmen at the Bataclan, had been detained in October 2012 on suspicion of terrorist links, and had an international arrest warrant out on him after he broke his parole the following year and travelled to Syria. Yet he returned in mid-October 2014, and was able to remain at large until the attacks.
In another embarrassment, Salah Abdeslam, who hired one of the cars used by the attackers and is the brother of one of the terrorists who blew himself up outside the Comptoir Voltaire cafe, was stopped in a vehicle with two other men on the French-Belgian border a few hours after the attack and questioned, but then released.
(http://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1797517_1010032632387648_8245476355418141969_n.jpg?oh=6f349c401f2aae5d33b8ad23f3b6b83c&oe=56F7D507)
Quote from: Theodore on November 15, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: eraciator on November 15, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Theodore on November 15, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
So ? We have to praise our enemy ?
Well I'll be disappointed if there isn't at least one limited edition cassette release with a poorly photocopied image of the shootings on the cover. Are you some kind of liberal or something?
It's all wank fodder when it's Nazi atrocities or chopping up prostitutes. Why is this any different?
I ll try to keep calm and give you an answer. Even if there will be such a release [Maybe] do you think that means the artist supports these attacks or Jihad in general ? Do you think every nazi reference / photo or dead prostitute on a cover / lyrics means the artist is necessarily nazi or killer ?
This is different [For me] because i know my enemies. Those fucking jihadists are my enemies. I hate them. Can you understand that ? So even if it's interesting what does a pathetic looser to suicide taking with him dozens of innocents in the name of his god, that's not my main concern in this case.
And i don't have any problem if such cover release exist. I maybe buy it, if it's good. Neither i would have any problem if someone appeared and said "Look, i support jihadists and i admire their actions cause this + that". What my problem is the fucking apolitic / no brainer comments, saying more or less, in other words "Wow, cause of them we can now have a bunch of dead people photos for releases" or "Wow, they gave us show to watch on TV" and then call me a liberal ! Seems you are exactly like the liberals want you, apolitic ! Not knowing who your enemies are. Sorry.
How come Peter Sutcliffe killing prostitutes is all LOLZ, but ISIL shooting up a "decadent prostitute party" at the Bataclan is so terrible? Have as many enemies as you like, just be consistent, eh? It's the same divinely inspired sadistic impulse in both cases.
both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 17, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.
Unconscious sexual motivations behind caliphate expansion always there. Jihadi John as new heartthrob pop star martyr, Sally Jones as MILF siren. Eros and Thanatos.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 14, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
Who's to say the Islamists wont win in the end?
I suspect they may well do, but hope it's after I've enjoyed a lot more decadence first. A BDSM dungeon I was in was fucking packed the night after the events. Anyone for a drink, fellow Romans?
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on November 17, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 17, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.
Unconscious sexual motivations behind caliphate expansion always there. Jihadi John as new heartthrob pop star martyr, Sally Jones as MILF siren. Eros and Thanatos.
That for sure!!!
sometime faith itself is the biggest fetish (so are ideology and violence), but these people are aiming to something in which sex is only part.
Quote from: HongKongGoolagong on November 17, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 17, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
both behaviors are pathological, yet one was sex driven, this is political. there is quite a difference in between.
Unconscious sexual motivations behind caliphate expansion always there. Jihadi John as new heartthrob pop star martyr, Sally Jones as MILF siren. Eros and Thanatos.
Precisely. Beheading videos as pornography. Not to mention the 70 Virgins which are promised to martyrs. Actually ISIL's views on the subjugation of women seem very similar to some of the shit I've read on here.
A lot of "sexual" serial killers are actually political too as they're an indicator of impotence in the face of the erosion of traditional male roles (partly because of feminism and partly for economic reasons like the decimation of manufacturing jobs).
Anyway, mine's a pint.
Quote from: eraciator on November 17, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
How come Peter Sutcliffe killing prostitutes is all LOLZ, but ISIL shooting up a "decadent prostitute party" at the Bataclan is so terrible? Have as many enemies as you like, just be consistent, eh? It's the same divinely inspired sadistic impulse in both cases.
I explained you. I hate them ! It's very simple, it doesn't need any further explanation. I don't hate nazis, i don't hate serial killers. You can't ignore my hate and asking me for consistency. It's impossible for me to behave like a "third person", an observer, and do an "academic" conversation about their motives, their psychology etc. When someone wants to destroy me, my family, my nation, my way of living, i don't even care if he's right or wrong. I can think of that later, to not happen to me again if it's my fault. First i have to finish with him.
And to run ahead any possible question about "You will face your enemy better if you understand him". That's true, but doesn't help at all in the middle of war. It would help before + after.
Quote from: Theodore on November 17, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
... to run ahead any possible question about "You will face your enemy better if you understand him". That's true, but doesn't help at all in the middle of war.
I don't think Sun Tzu would agree with that, and he literally wrote the book.
The problem is that the IS aren't fighting a conventional war in the West, and it's got everyone flummoxed. Right now, Westerners are reacting exactly how they'd like us to. Despite peoples' best rationalisations, we're all reverting to type. In this, they have the upper hand.
Hating them is a normal, reasonable reaction. I hate them too. If I thought the solution was to bomb them into oblivion you bet I'd be taking it to the streets demanding the governments of the world do just that. But it doesn't work, as just about every shred of evidence from the last - fourteen years, is it? - of the "war on terror" has demonstrated. Short term victories in the form of assassinating leaders at the best, I suppose.
Even understanding them doesn't seem to amount to much. Why are they getting so many people from around the world to join their cause? There's all sorts of reasons that can be given, but in total they amount to "so what" unless some kind of real action can be taken against those reasons. The problem there, of course, is lack of consensus. Do we gaol the little pricks or do we "reach out" to them? Do we "educate" all young Muslims or do we just put their names on lists? Are there any other options? I, for one, have no idea.
The fact is no one seems to really know how to take this war to the IS. Every normal course seems to run dry. I'm happy to be wrong on this. I'm happy to see armies go into Syria and Iraq and push the IS into nothingness. But only if it works and only if it results in no more scum like them. Which, I would say, is impossible.
By the way, here's a possible cross over between serial killing and the current situation which, should this individual follow up his words, should make everyone happy -
https://news.vice.com/article/man-in-joker-mask-vows-to-kill-one-arab-a-week-across-quebec (https://news.vice.com/article/man-in-joker-mask-vows-to-kill-one-arab-a-week-across-quebec)
As for what would work against them, I think the assault or 'assault' should happen on several fronts. I don't believe we can choose just one action and go 'welp, this will do', I think we need to do everything from working to get young muslim people integrate, or at least not radicalize. Its no secret that muslim population is biggest population in french prisons and this is really fertile ground for people to become radicalized. On the other hand, we can't stop working through intelligence agencies and others to stop already radicalized people and yet at same time, we should look what we could do at syria. Theres really no simple solution to the issue and no one action but the main idea, based completely on being almost completely uneducated on the issue, is that we should find ways to wage our own sort of guerrilla war against them, do things they don't expect. Now the reaction of bombing them more, people being angry them and such are completely expected and probably something they wanted to achieve all along.
Oh, also this http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/reports-gun-fire-possible-explosions-near-saintdenis-area-paris-france-31252.shtml?wap=0&
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 18, 2015, 02:54:16 AM
The fact is no one seems to really know how to take this war to the IS.
I am not quite sure about that. For the "Islamic State" - who sees itself as a "state" - there are strongholds and even a kind of capital in the syrian
city of Al-Raqqa. I bet a lot of french bombers will make way there very soon (it did start on a small scale yesterday and the french reports say
that heavy damage was dealt to a trainings camp and a commando post). Since the Russians did announce yesterday (or the day before) as well,
that the civil plant which crashed above Sinai was victim to a IS bomb, well now they got a fierce enemy. Putin knows how to deal damage to his
foes and surely he will do exactly that. As he said: "We will not only go on with the bombings, but we will intensify them to the point that this
savages see, there is no good coming to them by doing what they do." (free translation of his words before the Duma). Sure, you cannot crush the
IS with bombs alone but in my mind bombs (real, fucking intense bomb raids - remember Dresden ?) are a good starting point to show this so called
warriors of Allah that their pick-ups and old-style flak weapons are surely not enought to opposse the unleashed power of modern weaopons
technology. I quite sure, that many of this young people from around the world you did mention, will realize that the continuing support for Al-Baghdadi
and his chimera state will let them to sure death and i doubt the 100% obsession of every single one of them - let alone the civilians who are by
fact needed to run every model of a state, however this state looks or operates. Long story short: i am sure that in the aftermath of Paris, the IS
will start to pay for real. I welcome that.
I kinda agree that they seem to ask for a war in order to unite / radicalize / hardcorize their people. I don't have their leaders for stupid. You can't do such attacks [Paris + Russian plane] and expect no reaction. Or you can ? Till now west kept ignoring them if not supporting them ! So why they not to believe that this will be continued or it will be just a small scale bombing ? I don't know. But i know that ignoring them led to they have a state now ! West must not follow a "They want a war. We won't give them one" dogma. Still i don't think EU + USA will do a real war against them, even now ! Blah, blah, blah, words just for the show till the "public opinion" calm down and "forget" the whole thing. Putin is different kind of player, so Islamic State will have some troubles cause of him.
Staalwaart is right. Such a huge scale bombing attack is the first west must do NOW ! Hundreds of planes bombing their territory every fucking day, every fucking hour for as long as it takes. Weeks, months ?
Islamic terrorism and Jihad is here to stay. We can't beat them. We can't beat lone wolves, autonomous cells. Maybe some, but not all. What we can do now is to destroy their state. And allow no more Muslims coming to our countries. Most jihadists are 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants. I won't apologize cause "Our society made them terrorists". NO ! Native people have / face the same problems as them, even more [caused by them]. We closed ! No more Muslims, and those of them already here who don't like us, they can always go live in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, wherever. I support their right to live the way they want in their countries [even if it's disgusting for me].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FJawiLA9SU
Does anyone understand western foriegn policy? If you did you would know this has been coming for a long time!!!!!
Give the Ayatollah his bomb? With more PhD's from American universities in the (Islamic) Republican cabinet than the US cabinet itself I'm sure they'd have very enlightened views on where to drop it first.
Quote from: dontneedyoursociety on November 19, 2015, 02:05:14 AM
Does anyone understand western foriegn policy? If you did you would know this has been coming for a long time!!!!!
english.khamenei.ir/subject/2241/115-years-of-nonstop-crimes-against-Iran
Still. What's 115 years compared with all eternity?
I am impressed
https://www.facebook.com/thesunvideo/videos/788155897960708/?fref=nf
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 19, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
I am impressed
https://www.facebook.com/thesunvideo/videos/788155897960708/?fref=nf
Strangely enough so am I. It is pretty damn obvious if you gone take any one you need to hit where it hurts i.e. hit the money flow. The Saudis are off limits as usual but they could have hit the oil from day one but I guess to many people where making to much money.
Totally agree on that.
Anyway reading the official magazine issued by Daesh. The level of retardness in impressive, but it includes very interesting stuff.
I will soon read also the propaganda leaflets they are spreading (Muslim gangs), pretty strong stuff but what I find verz interesting is the language used. They have impressive marketing managers that could only been grown up in Europe.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 19, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
Totally agree on that.
Anyway reading the official magazine issued by Daesh. The level of retardness in impressive, but it includes very interesting stuff.
I will soon read also the propaganda leaflets they are spreading (Muslim gangs), pretty strong stuff but what I find verz interesting is the language used. They have impressive marketing managers that could only been grown up in Europe.
You can bet, that the people who do that magazine DABIQ had some experience before, as does their whole media unit.
Quote from: dontneedyoursociety on November 19, 2015, 02:05:14 AM
Does anyone understand western foriegn policy? If you did you would know this has been coming for a long time!!!!!
If you did, then you would know that there is no "western" foreign policy. Both the USA and Germany for example, have very different underlying
means to their foreign policy. We dont have a bi-polar world anymore nor do we have one "west" acting in the way of one foreign agenda.
Just my 2 cents on that.
EDIT: Your are, of course, right with the statement, that this came a long way and for me (and i guess many others), it was foreseeable.
This whole Arab Spring and the wanna-be liberation of these countries from their long-lived leaders to turn their societies to "western lifestyle"
could only go wrong. And it did, even worse.
I want to get deeper on the music side of their propaganda video.
If they have their own artists' if that can be considered a music "style", ecc.
and yes, very complex policies.
but it is interesting this weird alliance that includes Russia, France, Hezbollah, Iran, ecc.
we might join in as special interest and we could fit since everybody that counts is there!
At the risk of regarding a humour site as a credible information source, Cracked had an article today about the IS magazines. At the end was one interesting bit -
QuoteBut the most surprising thing I learned about ISIS during my reading is that the primary target of their hatred is not the United States. It's not France or Russia, either. The one "enemy" they devote more time to ranting against than anyone else is the "apostate Muslim." The vast majority of people ISIS kills are Muslims. They use one slur in particular -- "Safawi" -- to refer to Shiite Muslims. That word is a play on the name of the Safavid dynasty, which ruled Persia in the 15-17th centuries and which you almost certainly haven't heard of even though soldiers for the most notoriously evil organization in the world use it as a curse every day.
That's probably a bit slanted, but it's certainly true the IS slaughter a lot more Muslims than non-Muslims, and want all of Islam to come over to their side. By doing what they're doing, they know that the West is going to react in time honoured fashion - which, in this case, means that people trying to get the fuck away from the IS are going to be considered just as dangerous as the IS by the nations they're trying to get to. It's the perfect wedge.
These terrorists know what they're doing, and they're very good at it right now.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 16, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
First I'd heard of this "Management Of Savagery" text.
ah, i have this in pdf if you're interested
They want to die but I'm sure they don't want to be tortured... By women. Just saying, so as to save a little face. (thinking about it they don't like to be KILLED by women either, they don't go to paradise if that happens. I think it's the Turkish who have corps (?) of women that they send to fight Isis (?) and they just run away from them.)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/19/paris-attacks-police-examine-remains-of-cowgirl-turned-suicide-bomber?CMP=fb_gu
Best comments -
QuoteaFeyMood 18h ago
"She didn't look like a suicide bomber".
elephantwoman @FeyMood 18h ago
She did after it went off..
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 19, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
I want to get deeper on the music side of their propaganda video.
If they have their own artists' if that can be considered a music "style", ecc.
That would be very interesting.
Most i heard was like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxo9iEX8W1c
will research a bit and let you know.
http://www.euronews.com/2014/10/08/nasheeds-the-soundtrack-of-jihad/
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 20, 2015, 02:59:36 PM
Best comments -
QuoteaFeyMood 18h ago
"She didn't look like a suicide bomber".
elephantwoman @FeyMood 18h ago
She did after it went off..
surprise makeover
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 20, 2015, 05:49:25 PM
will research a bit and let you know.
i heard the two main guys who make the now famous nasheeds like 'saleel sawarim' got killed in an airstrike
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 20, 2015, 02:59:36 PM
Best comments -
QuoteaFeyMood 18h ago
"She didn't look like a suicide bomber".
elephantwoman @FeyMood 18h ago
She did after it went off..
God damn amazing.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 19, 2015, 03:41:17 PM
They have impressive marketing managers that could only been grown up in Europe.
Suicide Bombing: Just Do It
Suicide Bombing: Why go out with a whimper when you can go out with a- <quick edit>
I suppose you'd need to segmentize:
ISIL : cutting the crusade short since 1999
I've noticed a bit of excitement over Anonymous announcing they're going after the IS's communications, or whatever it is they're going to do. I'm not so sanguine, but I know little about Anonymous. Apparently some of them were involved in the "Arab Spring"? In any case, I'm not sure how much of a dent they can put into the IS.
In my mind, Anonymous are created by US secret services to attract young talented hackers, then arrest the best of them, and propose them a deal they cannot refuse [Otherwise, prison] to work under their commands. Anonymous stink, miles away.
I remember reading somewhere that the US was employing Incapacitants. And Kosakai always seemed like such an affable chap...
Quote from: Theodore on November 21, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
In my mind, Anonymous are created by US secret services to attract young talented hackers, then arrest the best of them, and propose them a deal they cannot refuse [Otherwise, prison] to work under their commands. Anonymous stink, miles away.
WOW! Now even the ignorant myself is stunned.
Quote from: Theodore on November 21, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
In my mind, Anonymous are created by US secret services to attract young talented hackers, then arrest the best of them, and propose them a deal they cannot refuse [Otherwise, prison] to work under their commands. Anonymous stink, miles away.
Interesting. Any citations to share that underline your opinion?
Not Paris but the HBO documentary, "Terror in the Mall", is well worth checking out. It's about a massacre in Nigeria that was made possible by the complete incompetence of the local authorities and military, neither of which went into the mall for three hours after it started! Actually, that's not true. A few plain-clothes officers with two citizens with concealed carry licenses went in first. Around 70 people were killed including a dozen or so children and three pregnant women. The murderers allowed some children to go but killed others. Same with Muslims. The footage of the massacre is from cameras inside along with digital photos a war photographer took (so nice that the footage looks like reenactments except that much of it is matched up with the mall cameras). You will not believe how this thing ends, it's so nuts that if it had been an exploitation movie, the ending still wouldn't have been as nuts as what actually happened...
I remember that incident. It made news over here for around 1 - 2 days and then the file was closed. As always when non-white people die somewhere
in the world most western people give a shit about. Boko Haram (or a assosciated group) did this, right ? They are quite furious bunch and lunch stuff
like this on a frequent basis (as far as our news tells us).
Thanks for the hint, will looking for this documentary.
It was pulled off by al-Shabaab. There's also a HBO docu. called 'Terror in Mumbai", another attack that would not have been as successful without a fucked up police department (they hightailed it out when it started). There's footage from cameras & audio of the murderers talking to their "controllers" while wandering around looking for people to shoot.
What's so amazing about "Terror in the Mall", is the murderers hung out in the storage area and NO ONE FUCKING WENT LOOKING FOR THEM! Two days after getting everyone out, the military set off explosives that leveled part of the mall. Why? Who the fuck knows.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 24, 2015, 12:23:10 AM
Two days after getting everyone out, the military set off explosives that leveled part of the mall. Why? Who the fuck knows.
What's the point of joining the military if only the bad guys get to have all the fun?
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 24, 2015, 12:23:10 AM
It was pulled off by al-Shabaab. There's also a HBO docu. called 'Terror in Mumbai", another attack that would not have been as successful without a fucked up police department (they hightailed it out when it started).
I am quite sure that this is the reason why counter-terrorism doesnt work right in many countries of this region. I dont wonder because if you have
a bad monthly income, bad weapons and stuff but have to fight against highly and foremost deadly fanatics, maybe the motivation to do much suffers.
turkey took down a Russian jet.
Islamist feasted on the pilot's corpse.
things are getting steamy
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6616746.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/GRAPHIC-Syria-crisis-explainer-map.jpg)
interesting infographics that fails to underline who fed and bred Isis with money (qatar, saudi arabia and turkey itself... plus all western countries who gave money agains assad)
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 24, 2015, 03:50:57 PMwho fed and bred Isis with money (qatar, saudi arabia and turkey itself... plus all western countries who gave money agains assad)
Sounds good, but I'm yet to sign up for this particular line. Keep working at it.
Very happy Turkey took down the Russian jet. They are making new "friends".
Not only fails to underline who fed + bred ISIS but reading that graphic someone would believe the whole world is fighting against ISIS ! Ridiculous.
And speaking of Turkey, they were saying they are bombing ISIS [Yes, some abandoned facilities maybe] while they were / are really bombing Kurds.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 24, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 24, 2015, 05:19:30 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 24, 2015, 12:23:10 AM
It was pulled off by al-Shabaab. There's also a HBO docu. called 'Terror in Mumbai", another attack that would not have been as successful without a fucked up police department (they hightailed it out when it started).
I am quite sure that this is the reason why counter-terrorism doesnt work right in many countries of this region. I dont wonder because if you have
a bad monthly income, bad weapons and stuff but have to fight against highly and foremost deadly fanatics, maybe the motivation to do much suffers.
Yeah, the PD didn't have the proper weapons (old bolt-action rifles) nor the training. The terrorists were not all that savvy either; they had to take orders via cellphones including getting bitched at for not following orders.
I just did watch the HBO docu "Terror in Mumbai". Well, with this PD i suppose it´s even hard to handle a attack with a single target like the Taj Hotel
not to speak of such a large scale attack with multiple targets. When these police guys arrive at the scene at the train station and most of the just
walk away i really tought "WTF?". It is a really good docu and awesome that you can hear parts of the conversation between the terrorists and their
controllers. Very interesting insight. Recommended for sure.
Quote from: Theodore on November 24, 2015, 07:09:28 PM
Turkey took down the Russian jet.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/
Quote from: Theodore on November 24, 2015, 07:09:28 PM
Not only fails to underline who fed + bred ISIS but reading that graphic someone would believe the whole world is fighting against ISIS ! Ridiculous.
totally agree
In the past year Turkey established several hospitals in Isis zone to cure Daesh militants who were slaughtering Kurds.
One of these hospitals is apparently run (or at least include her involvement) of Erdoğan's daughter.
Quote from: tiny_tove on November 24, 2015, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Theodore on November 24, 2015, 07:09:28 PM
Not only fails to underline who fed + bred ISIS but reading that graphic someone would believe the whole world is fighting against ISIS ! Ridiculous.
totally agree
In the past year Turkey established several hospitals in Isis zone to cure Daesh militants who were slaughtering Kurds.
One of these hospitals is apparently run (or at least include her involvement) of Erdoğan's daughter.
The whole refugee crisis that Europe´s pathetic politicians try to solve, plays into Erdogan´s hand. It is like a joker for him. I am quite sure he will
get away with his hidden internal war against the legal pro-kurdish party as well as with his hidden support for IS. Seems he knows well, how the
political game is played.
A "mosaic chart" of Middle Eastern relationships
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/09/daily-chart-11
As the attached commentary notes, one collection of notables seems to have been sucking the right dick.
...I'll confess I do kinda dig all the intrigue/speculation. Helps in plotting my next move in the game whilst I sit upon the throne.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/24/severe-blow-al-qaeda-suicide-bomber-takes-out-leadership-key-isis-brigade/?intcmp=hpbt3
enemy of my enem. . .actually, i dont even know anymore. Seeing how this is fox news, take it with huge grain of salt though.
more related reading https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/isis-survives-largely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/
very interesting article and comments as well.
well
the new ISIS trailer is impressive at all level: technically, marketing wise, retardness
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-release-chilling-new-video-6896405#ICID=FB_mirror_main
only partly related and somehow connected to "TRUE CRIMES" as well, but anyway:
Teenage ISIS 'poster girl' who travelled to Syria 'beaten to death after trying to escape Raqqa'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teenage-isis-poster-girl-who-6891521#rlabs=2%20rt$category%20p$6
QuoteWe will serve Allah – and we will die for him
Nice to see young people achieving their dreams.
Quote from: F_c_O on November 25, 2015, 01:09:04 PM
more related reading https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/isis-survives-largely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/
Quoteallied with Iran and benefit from US support
Quotesucking the right dick
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 25, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
somehow connected to "TRUE CRIMES"
Different genre, maybe? I'd have thought the crime to be "true" only when the veracity that one has taken place cannot be challenged- say, by the (spokespersons of the) will of Allah.
Russia and China should have allowed the US to bomb Assad two and a half years ago when they wanted to and the UK government should have supported that. That in itself would have preempt the whole IS movement even if still been a dangerous situation. Russia has defended Assad since they beginning. I guess it is fair to say that Syria is the victim of outside interests to a certain extent but even still if it was created into a more religiously conservative state that would be the advantage to Turkey and S.A or maybe even Israel ? I don't see they problem religion was probably the only glue that stick a post Assad Syria back together. It is difficult to see where it all can go from here it is a shame action was not even taken earlier why does the UN or NATO even exist then if a conflict like the Syrian is allowed to carry on ?
Here's a novelty for me- commenting in this thread in a state of relative sobriety...
I confess that I'm a bit confused by the way the name ISIS gets tossed around. Here ISIS is IS, there al-Qaeda, and still elsewhere al-Nusra. In one article they are shorthand for the same thing, in a linked article "bitter enemies". And so on. Like our pal al-Jihadi runs around swapping turbans, different team for every other day of the week?
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/26/is-political-correctness-over-refugees-putting-lives-in-danger/?utm_source=Facebook
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/26/the-scariest-thing-about-islamic-state-its-kindler-gentler-side/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/26/the-scariest-thing-about-islamic-state-its-kindler-gentler-side/)
QuoteIn many ways, the group serves as a functioning government in the areas it controls, offering services once provided by the Syrian and Iraqi regimes. It collects taxes, picks up trash, runs schools, issues marriage licenses, provides security, and even employs former government bureaucrats to make sure everything runs smoothly. In Syria's Deir ez-Zor province, Islamic State has issued regulations to protect natural resources and the environment, suggesting that the group is settled in for the long run. Some Syrian citizens under Islamic State control claim that the group's efforts have helped return some sense of normalcy to their lives, a welcome reprieve from the grueling civil war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q)
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on November 27, 2015, 09:58:52 AM
Here ISIS is IS, there al-Qaeda, and still elsewhere al-Nusra.
Islamic State is definitely 'against' al-Qaeda and Nusra Front, at least in the same way schismatic leftist movements are also 'against' each other. Sometimes they get conflated because a) Islamic State
used to be Al-Qaeda in Iraq and b) Nusra Front does some weird things sometimes. Officially Nusra are a branch of al-Qaeda and swear allegiance to Ayman Zawahiri (who in turn swears allegiance to Mullah Mohamad Omar, the leader of the Taliban). "On the ground" Nusra is a sort of waypoint between the so-called 'moderate rebels' and serious islamist factions, frequently gaining or losing members depending on where air strikes are landing that month.
Aha, so that's why they don't attack them. They haven't decided what's enemy's name yet. Let's debate it. For a year or two.
Quote from: Theodore on November 28, 2015, 05:09:02 AM
Aha, so that's why they don't attack them. They haven't decided what's enemy's name yet.
That's one possibility. It can't help that no one can figure out what side anyone is on. Am I to advocate degrading the "bitter enemy" of ISIS because, in one reading, that bitter enemy is ISIS? It would be a shame if, in so degrading, I were doing ISIS [insert definition here] a favor.
Quote from: Theodore on November 28, 2015, 05:09:02 AM
Aha, so that's why they don't attack them. They haven't decided what's enemy's name yet. Let's debate it. For a year or two.
Who is 'they?' The Russians have already conducted literally hundreds of air strikes on IS targets
http://mic.com/articles/128768/what-would-it-actually-take-to-destroy-isis#.QePqTsfdy (http://mic.com/articles/128768/what-would-it-actually-take-to-destroy-isis#.QePqTsfdy)
This is what it's come to -
Quote"Removing the group from Iraq and Syria will likely be impossible, but forcing them to crumble from a pseudo-state back down to a traditional terrorist group would be a serious accomplishment."
A
serious accomplishment...Not to mention -
QuoteWhen it comes to attacking targets in the West, ISIS is incredibly versatile. The group's decentralized command structure allows sympathizers from around the world to join the resistance. ISIS is adept at using social media and producing propaganda that appeals to disaffected Muslims in the West, empowering sympathizers to carry out attacks without establishing a deep relationship with ISIS in Syria and Iraq. In other words, ISIS provides the tools and the training, and leaves the rest to the attackers.
QuoteEven if all these objectives could somehow be achieved — and that is a colossal "if" — the underlying political dynamics shaping the Middle East that led to the rise of ISIS would remain or worsen.
QuoteFourteen years and trillions of dollars haven't produced a stable Afghanistan; rebuilding Syria will be even more difficult and challenging.
Quote from: l.b. on November 30, 2015, 07:14:50 PM
Quote from: Theodore on November 28, 2015, 05:09:02 AM
Aha, so that's why they don't attack them. They haven't decided what's enemy's name yet. Let's debate it. For a year or two.
Who is 'they?' The Russians have already conducted literally hundreds of air strikes on IS targets
"They" i mean US / EU / NATO and their pussy leaders who for first time have the chance to unleash a "fair" / "justified" war and they don't do it. They just keep talking, and talking, to "organize" the attack and bullshits like that. They only want to save time, while praying to not be any other terrorist attack by ISIS soon, so the whole thing be forgotten again, like it was more or less all these years. Also waiting for the Russians to do all the dirty job while they, from their forums, will accuse them for "human rights" violations, collateral damages, bombing "civilians" etc. At the end, when Russians + Assad's army will have almost destroy ISIS, US / EU / NATO may do some bombings too [The pussy way - drones], so they can have a word about Syria's future. That's what i believe will happen.
Meanwhile "They" have conversations and support ISIS best friend + partner, Turkey.
Quote from: Theodore on December 01, 2015, 03:09:51 AMAlso waiting for the Russians to do all the dirty job ... when Russians + Assad's army will have almost destroy ISIS
That's one conclusion. Some have suggested that the waiting is for Russia to fail, and the comorbid hope that failure may serve to de-lube the cozy relationship with bumchum Bashar. (Something like this has already played out with our righteous Turk.) Russia doesn't seem terribly keen to commit troops in any event.
Quote from: Bloated Slutbag on December 01, 2015, 05:29:02 AM
Russia doesn't seem terribly keen to commit troops in any event.
Would not quite smart to do so, would it ?
well, they learnt the lesson after they invaded Afghanistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3oWmDUW1Q
France still under attack
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/mondo/speciale-attacco-a-nizza/foto/nizza-decine-di-vittime-falciate-dal-camion_3003429-2016.shtml
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2016/07/15/nizza-guerra-sul-lungomare-camion-sulla-folla-e-colpi-di-mitra-84-morti-molti-sono-bambini-cronaca-ora-per-ora/2906891/5/#foto
84 dead, hundreds of wounded.
been in Nizza many times in my youth...
a man and a lorry. can hardly get more low tech than that in terms of bang for buck effectiveness.
That is the problem with asymmetric warfare.
As the west puts together a very expensive, top heavy military threat to ISIS. All ISIS has to do is get a disillusioned guy to drive a truck into some non-military targets. All over the world are dissillusioned guys with access to trucks, various janitorial chemicals which can be combined in the wrong way, and in the United States, large capacity firearms.
The west is not willing to pointedly attack soft targets in the way that ISIS does. Not sure that ISIS even has such soft targets to be held dear honestly.
Even if NATO gets off it's collective ass and rolls down to Iraq/Syria with their full air power in effect, they will still have to mop up the remnants with boots on the ground. Exactly the type of conflict which there is not political will or economic backing for.
And if there were, that is exactly what ISIS wants. A big romantic east vs west conflict. In technicolor.
Honestly the Pentagon needs to go back to working on that gay-bomb idea they had back in the 60's.