!!!ANTIPAKT "Fuck Them Where They Breathe" 7 INCH"!!!
Co-released between Filth&Violence and Morose Entertainment
In your face nasty&crude PE assault. Anonymous European project.
100 numbered copies, rough xerox, insert cum drenched collage featuring images of dead enemies.
8e plus postages
hateandlust(Y)gmail.com
Copies also available from a band soon!
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/2130/antipakt1.jpg) (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/antipakt1.jpg/)
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 02, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
Had opportunity to grab early copy of this item so few comments:
Antipakt 7" very good! Nice quality vinyl, despite 45rpm fast rotations, it feels long enough to offer proper blasts of noisy PE. Two different vocalists (one per side) and sounds and vocals what makes you start guessing who exactly is in this project. 100 copies 7" seems like.. well, who knows. Either way too little or just enough. Sound is rough and noisy, but consistent in composition. It follows certain pattern being heavy and raw at the same time. I do recommend to purchase it as soon as officially for sale.
SOLD OUT from F&V.
Available from ANTIPAKT now.
10 euro to antipakt@gmail.com
Postage paid!
does this price include shipping overseas?
Sorry, I prefer caressing.
Quote from: Reid on September 25, 2010, 10:58:28 PM
does this price include shipping overseas?
Yeah.
In my experiences people like to order stuff from places they know or has been ordered for years.
But now if wish to get copy of ANTIPAKT 7" contact band asap. or cry later...
Courier New is old school. Best font ever.
Quote from: bogskaggmannen on September 25, 2010, 11:05:51 PM
Sorry, I prefer caressing.
Few details from insert for you and everybody else:
(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7358/antir.jpg) (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/antir.jpg/)
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4617/anti2.jpg) (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/anti2.jpg/)
Quote from: XE on September 20, 2010, 05:09:10 PMcum drenched collage featuring images of dead enemies.
All inserts were baptised in cum by ANTIPAKT personnel to celebrate the death of the antifa low lifes in the collage. By spilling our essence of life on their image we mock the death of them and their shit ideas. They are the enemy! They are dead! We are alive! In life we can think, act, fuck and cum. In death they can do nothing! Fuck them! FUCK THEM WHERE THEY BREATHE!
Nice, I hate AntiFa fucks. Good Night Left Side. Being honest, though, your insert (or whatever Pasi posted above) kind of gives a different impression at first glance, as if you support the Anti-Fascist movement.
It does show a strange way of showing contempt for supposed enemies. I would have thought shit, piss, vomit or spit to be more appropriate. Sperm is a sign of pleasure, in my view.
Yeah, this is one of the strangest things I've seen in a while. Like you're professing a twisted need and affection towards your "enemies". A bit like when somebody puts images of dead prostitutes on their record covers, showing a hate/love/contempt/obsession type of relationship with them. Maybe this should be filed under antifascist homoerotica... heh.
sperm is easier because it's fun to produce. didn't notice the stain until I had touched it. made me feel filthy. tactile, olfactory, audial and visual = gesamtkunstwerk for the new world.
QuoteLike you're professing a twisted need and affection towards your "enemies"
well wouldn't life be very empty if robbed of the subjects of one's hatred?
and it sounds good too!
I was reminded of that SPK interview where I think it was Ravelle was talking about some releases they made that came with sperm capsules. Apparently they all dissolved. I would imagine you'd have similar issues with any bodily fluid.
That aside, I find the connection between lust and hate interesting, and I think "heretogo" has made the right point in regards to obssession. "Anti-reds" and "anti-fascists" certainly need each other to justify their own identities, and the similarities are just as important as any differences. It's the unspoken desires and impulses beneath the statements that make a lot of Power Electronics so interesting for me.
this is one f & v release i'll leave in the packaging.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 27, 2010, 06:41:07 AM
Sperm is a sign of pleasure, in my view.
Of course, I think most people would agree. But, just like most things, it can be looked at as shameful or bad, especially if you are not the one cumming. To the mass consciousness I think that cum being sprayed on something has more to do with violation, defilement.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 27, 2010, 06:41:07 AM
It does show a strange way of showing contempt for supposed enemies. I would have thought shit, piss, vomit or spit to be more appropriate. Sperm is a sign of pleasure, in my view.
Piss and shit are pleasurable to some too, and since we are talking about a Filth and Violence release....well...
if you knew that someone masturbated onto a picture of a deceased loved one, would you be happy? it is really no different than spit or urine or feces. projecting these fluids upon a person, or even an image of a person seems to be a blatant form of disrespect.
i would like to think that these peoples ability to attain pleasure while thinking of a fallen enemy is the true motivator, as well as an attempt at a final "fuck you" to those enemies who are no longer able to attain ANYTHING.
i would also like to think that the members of ANTIPAKT had something to do with the demise of at least one, if not all of those enemies.
it seems to me, that by possessing this release, you are holding onto a piece of true, unadulterated HATRED, as well as a bold statement aimed directly to those remaining members of this certain organization.....
Ryan, I get your point, but what I'm trying to say is there are other ways of looking at it. There's the "obvious" meaning, that Antipakt are upfront in putting across. But there are other meanings one can find, if one wants to. I've found F&V releases, and it's general aesthetic, very interesting in this regard.
War states "I like to think...", and that's what it comes down to; what people want to think. Same with me; I like to think there are other ways of looking at what Antipakt are doing with this release. I can take what they're doing at face value, or I can put my own meaning onto it. Or both. And this is a particularly interesting release to attach meaning to; I'm looking forward to getting it so I can get a real idea, not just reading about it on the 'net.
The choice of sperm, as opposed to any other bodily excrement, is important in itself; it's not just any other fluid. There's a lot of symbolism involved, and it is being used in a symbolic way. That involves a concious decision, but it's the unconcious feelings behind it I find interesting.
(By the way, I'd suggest speculation about Antipakt's involvement with crime be left off this forum, for obvious reasons).
What does "PAKT" mean anyway? Is it an acronym?
pakt = pact in german, scandinavian and slavic among other languages (http://diict.com/pl/pakt). perhaps there are other meanings as well in this case.
Quotethis is one f & v release i'll leave in the packaging.
without opening it, listening to it? wouldn't it be easier just to sell it then to someone who wants to hear it?
Quote from: pestdemon on September 28, 2010, 03:34:48 PM
pakt = pact in german, scandinavian and slavic among other languages (http://diict.com/pl/pakt). perhaps there are other meanings as well in this case.
Quotethis is one f & v release i'll leave in the packaging.
without opening it, listening to it? wouldn't it be easier just to sell it then to someone who wants to hear it?
jc is flipping it, like everything else
a lot of deep thinking about the deeper meaning of a cumstain : LOL
Not a cumstain, a hundred of them, on a hundred copies of an album. And not the cumstains, the thought behind them and the imagery of the album and the ideas being represented.
Quote from: pestdemon on September 28, 2010, 03:34:48 PM
pakt = pact in german, scandinavian and slavic among other languages (http://diict.com/pl/pakt). perhaps there are other meanings as well in this case.
Quotethis is one f & v release i'll leave in the packaging.
without opening it, listening to it? wouldn't it be easier just to sell it then to someone who wants to hear it?
Ah, like "Warsaw Pakt".
And I think what blimp was saying was that he was going to listen to it but not dig into the packaging because of the jizz.
Isn't JC "notorious" ebayer who always buys the to-be-wanted items to sell them at exaggerated prices? I think so? So not surpriced with leaving it in mint condition, without any plays. It is the usual thing these days, more so in metal scene. I find it quite dull, but I guess it's also pretty useless to bitch about such when I personally have bought many goodies from people who stashed records for decade. And have been thankful to them for doing so, hah!
If you're not going to listen to the records you might as well start collecting coins/commemorative plates or something. Then at least the objects you covet would serve their intended purpose, sitting around collecting dust.
if i'm not mistaken, jc actually collects F&V releases.
i collect all f&v. i got into the label because i collect bizarre uproar. i'm just not playing with some dudes whack off to listen to a record. i'll wait for some twat to put it on a blog acting like he deserves credit for making the music himself.
Quote from: jc on September 29, 2010, 09:29:00 PM
i collect all f&v. i got into the label because i collect bizarre uproar. i'm just not playing with some dudes whack off to listen to a record. i'll wait for some twat to put it on a blog acting like he deserves credit for making the music himself.
you also flip all f&v and think they are pseudo intellectual arm chair racists
Quote from: jc on September 29, 2010, 09:29:00 PM
i collect all f&v. i got into the label because i collect bizarre uproar. i'm just not playing with some dudes whack off to listen to a record. i'll wait for some twat to put it on a blog acting like he deserves credit for making the music himself.
I think there is probably a language beerier here, so excuse me if I am way off but the comment
" i'm just not playing with some dudes whack off to listen to a record" means what, exactly? Your playing with dudes that are jacking off to records? And what blogs put up F&V releases and claim that they deserves credit because they made the music themselves? I have yet to stumble upon one like that.
Quote from: jc on September 29, 2010, 09:29:00 PMi'm just not playing with some dudes whack off to listen to a record.
you got the Snuff 2xcassette with used bloody condom? lol
Trophies are good thing. I've been collecting female pubic hair for about.. 2 years? Don't intent to compromise for male pubic hair, not any cheating with random hair. It needs to be sleazy unwashed aromatic female hairs. Unfortunately possiblity to harvest proper length hair is slow. And ziplock-bag filled with it, remains something what can't be even 100 copies 7". Unless listener is satisfied with smaller dose.
Blood, hair, cum, shit, nails, eyelashes,... I'll take it anytime over spraypaint. Most memorable punk release, could it be Infantry CD with nigger hair under tray? Story of guys going to nappycuts barbershop in NYC with plastic bag & rubber gloves to collect the material, but protect themselves, eh eh...
Last time in copenhagen, in obscurity shop run by guy who used to organise some noise shows. I bought cat pawns from him. Front pawns inside sealed glass jar. Total classic! I storaged half pig skull in my lawn for couple years. Animals keep moving it from place to place, but if one could get 100 pig skull halves, it would make perfect LP cover. Serious 3D "embossed" ornament. With one, you can only get personal pleasure finding it from new locations, slowly eaten clean by the animals & insects.
So yeah, no problems with few stains of cum. Only special edition I got rid of, was Vitsaus 7", ltd 25 copies, including enough blood, rodent bones and intestines and hair to fill your regular breakfast plate. It would not - and could not dry. And the reek of death was enough to prove this death-bag was more fierce than my lust for trophies.
Best I've been able to do is just simple meat from the butcher's.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3822/99/15/700478740/n700478740_1810628_2325986.jpg) This was for the cover of "Whenever I Hear The Words Pop Culture, I Reach For My Gun". I used this meat as a sound source for that album. I had to keep it outside for a while. It's pretty decomposed now.
@FreakAnimalFinland
This should be a LP for you then:
Totale Ethah Matrix - Fleischrottung Durch Bakterien
http://www.discogs.com/Totale-Ethah-Matrix-Fleischrottung-Durch-Bakterien/release/608202
(http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-608202-1166289842.jpeg)
Nice LP, Music is also not Bad :)
1 bloodcum edition remains, less than 15 left of the others!
"I bought cat pawns from him."
WHAT IN THE HELL IS A 'CAT PAWN'?!?
Quote from: WAR on September 28, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
if you knew that someone masturbated onto a picture of a deceased loved one, would you be happy?
Sure. It seems like a tribute to me, rather than a desecration. I tend to ejaculate on things/people that I love or at least like.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 02, 2010, 02:05:52 AM
"I bought cat pawns from him."
WHAT IN THE HELL IS A 'CAT PAWN'?!?
Maybe he meant Cat Paws? I know pagans used cat feet for some rites.
"Cat Pawns" and pubic hair collection in the same thread. Who can compete with that?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 01, 2010, 11:44:07 AM
Only special edition I got rid of, was Vitsaus 7", ltd 25 copies, including enough blood, rodent bones and intestines and hair to fill your regular breakfast plate.
I donated some rhinariums(kirsuja), tiny tongues and other fingerlicking goodnes to that endeavor. theres a few horror stories connected to the bag that ive heard, a prominent finnish bm fatty leaving it in the car during the summer heat or the bag breaking. good times.
please continue.
yes, paw.... the front feet of cat.
I'm just about lining up the final plans of the insect dildo production line. Meaning casted transparent dildos including insects and/or animal parts inside them. Always sounded good, and doable idea. And guaranteed success among the ladies, I'm sure.
Hahaha.
I wish more record release threads spurred such varied discussion.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 02, 2010, 12:13:58 PM
yes, paw.... the front feet of cat.
I'm just about lining up the final plans of the insect dildo production line. Meaning casted transparent dildos including insects and/or animal parts inside them. Always sounded good, and doable idea. And guaranteed success among the ladies, I'm sure.
If you need insects, I've got stick insects (several species) at home and have a bunch of dead ones (and parts, they easily break when dried) lying around, so if interested, contact me...
somebody please move this thread to the golden hall of Valhalla! it doesn't get ANY BETTER THAN THIS.
Quote from: Nyodene D on October 02, 2010, 01:18:09 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 01, 2010, 11:44:07 AMI've been collecting female pubic hair for about.. 2 years?
wut
Very good hobby! You can save some money too, if you use the pubes as an dental floss. ;D
amazing.
Sold out!
People speaking earlier about the seemingly contradictory lust/hate statement made by this release: just seems like another link in the chain of this kind of dichotomous thinking coming from Finnish PE as of late. I find it interesting. Seeing XE releases espousing ideas/themes from an American White Supremacy angle ("USA for USA" and the clip of glory glory hallelujah at the end of one of the tracks, etc). What's interesting is this kind of WP thinking in American is usually done from a position of Christian moral superiority: blacks are the devil, sexually promiscuous heathens, etc. But this position is impossible to defend when taken by people that release tapes of spanking sessions and art books on fecalphilia and the like.
It's like the title to the Snuff track "Hail Black Rapists": at once condemnation and praise.
Also, use of Islamic prayer audio in XE/BU tracks.
I don't see it as a straight Nazi/White Supremacy angle; it's deeper than that and I hope to see this explored further.
Any thoughts or am I completely off?
Quote from: jake on October 07, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
I don't see it as a straight Nazi/White Supremacy angle; it's deeper than that and I hope to see this explored further.
And I think you would be right. Pasi answered this well enough in the interview on Plague Haus. Here is the section I am talking about
QuoteAnd the project that really seems to work people into a frenzy and is also very near and dear to my heart, Xenophobic Ejaculation. I take that as pretty tongue in cheek, but how serious are your "political views" on those releases?
"Fetishized the things that shouldn't be done or are they in for real" I believe I did put that line to somewhere...
I am very serious about anything I do. Then what is it what I do? That's a hard one. How would I put this...Some of my thoughts about this matter: if you go left you got dreadlocks, tree hugging, unshaved cunts, naive confused kids etc. if you go right there is some silly things for sure but overall there is realism and common sense.
When there is a picture of crushed black face w/steel capped strength or white Aryan flesh hammer giving urine to black cunts mouth.. what it is? sex & violence. I like discord, chaos, tension between races. Of course whites, blacks, yellow, brown won't get along ever. I am not a political person that much I just lean back and enjoy the decadence. enjoy the show. XE is about racial issues, KKK hanging black trash, whites humiliating black whores, steel cap execution, White Power, 3rd Reich - glorious REICH, concentration camps, racial hygiene, white supremacy, xenophobic hate, black whores eating excrement, xenophobic ejaculation etc. etc. etc.
Does this all answers your question? Maybe not. If things would someday go as good as in Germania 1930. And if the ovens would be fire up again. Perverts like me would be thrown there too not in a first in line but right after Jews and niggers for sure. Unless you would join the party and go up on hierarchy hah! only good socialist is National Socialist. As I look at it, Glorious Reich back then was huge S/M session. Think about it. Uniforms, boots, orders given high to down. Kneel and obey, you got orders and you obey, you give orders to someone lower etc. all that rituals and ceremonies. etc. etc. I could write about this subject for whole day. Heh!
Quote from: jake on October 07, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
People speaking earlier about the seemingly contradictory lust/hate statement made by this release: just seems like another link in the chain of this kind of dichotomous thinking coming from Finnish PE as of late. I find it interesting. ...
I don't see it as a straight Nazi/White Supremacy angle; it's deeper than that and I hope to see this explored further.
Any thoughts or am I completely off?
No, you're completely on, in my view, and it's great to see someone actually state this. And I don't think it's just recent Finnish PE; I've thought for a while that there's that seeming contradiction between lust and hate in PE generally, and in fact in society generally. PE brings it to a very stark contrast. Which is why I questioned the concept of ejaculation as a symbol of hate in the first place.
For my part, I don't think it has to be conscious; that little quote from Pasi's interview, for example (which I'd read before) shows that his intentions aren't so much trying to be too conscious about it but sensual. Germany during the last world war as a "huge S/M session" - it's not a new idea, I think, but one doesn't have to have a degree in the psychology of dictatorships to know it. The whole F&V aesthetic is about celebrating and enjoying the very tensions Pasi speaks of, without really wanting to get too deeply into understanding the why. Maybe that's a part of it, maybe not, but the outward expression is one of pure libertinage and degeneration.
All well and good; but anyone with a skerrick of common sense knows that it doesn't have to taken that way by the consumer. But there's an added dimension of enjoyment, for my part, when people flip the fuck out over something like this Antipakt release and start arguing, of all things, politics. It's all part of the whole package, and this release is truly one of the best of the year without having to be heard.
(Mind you, I'm still waiting for my copy as I write, although items come slowly through the mail from Finland to Australia, for some strange reason).
Hate & lust is the common male reaction. What I see F&V label doing, is the masculine noise with masculine themes. From beginning of things like "mens magazines", "mens movies", it is just that. Sex, violence or at their best, sexual violence!
There are F&V bands which may investigate themes of fetishized mother-son relationships or submission under female power, yet it is sexualized male choise, I think?
There is a Snuff piece about hate and lust. About unavoidable genetic command what drives towards it. Just like "Nyrkki & kyrpä" compilation (= "fist & cock"). Can it be more male?
To me, seems most logical and most natural pattern of creation. Even if it may sound easy, and one dimensional, it hardly is. Especially knowing these are the powers what makes the world go round since dawn of mankind and can be approached with countless angles with countless conclusions.
By standards of society, it is something what any civilized tries to avoid, but by two-faced reality, it is what is expected and acted on. Almost like the good ol' american justice. Society with two moral standards. Civilized daytime, white nights. With conflict towards legistlation but silent approval.
I know it is a problem of when topics are dealt from interesting angle. What does it offer, what does it say. Sometimes I do also wonder about this baggage of pseudo-intelligent approach. One may ask works of art created about nationalist romanticism, social commentary of violence and oppression, some message about role of females in our world, investigating reasons and motivations and historical backgrounds. Or whatever. And in other hand, the reality may be that we HAVE the authentic case study in front of us. Not people writing about someones opinions and someones actions, but doing what men do. And what people yell to be artists responsiblity, is given to be listeners responsibility. And often they refuse. They don't want or can't find any depth. Or anything interesting. They want it to be pre-dissected & guaranteed to be "more". While infact, its probably less.
I'm quite sure, in F&V camp, most of bands who do releases, don't probably try to intellectualize it too much. They follow the male genetic code of nyrkki & kyrpä method, and result has been so far pretty much... should I say: superior?
But talking about males, since this Antipakt topic has been good for not-so-tightly-related things...:
I was reading book 2 days ago where was quote from Finnish police, when you see newspaper article that man killed another man in drinking session, or one guy found dead in apartment after good old weekend party, there are lots of cases where it is result of homosexual guilt and disgust. And it never gets to papers. Even if it would be technically "hate crime", it is simply buried detail. Where "hetero" male engages into perverted actions with another man, in the heat of lust, and in moral hangover and hateful disgusts, beats up / stabs the partner. That's the story worth of tape! Date rape? boring. Moral hangover anal stab, sounds good. And supposedly % is pretty relevant. Not just individual case. It really puts new angle to classic "drunk got killed over fight about sausage" -stories.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 07, 2010, 10:33:15 AM
I was reading book 2 days ago where was quote from Finnish police, when you see newspaper article that man killed another man in drinking session, or one guy found dead in apartment after good old weekend party, there are lots of cases where it is result of homosexual guilt and disgust. And it never gets to papers. Even if it would be technically "hate crime", it is simply buried detail. Where "hetero" male engages into perverted actions with another man, in the heat of lust, and in moral hangover and hateful disgusts, beats up / stabs the partner. That's the story worth of tape! Date rape? boring. Moral hangover anal stab, sounds good. And supposedly % is pretty relevant. Not just individual case. It really puts new angle to classic "drunk got killed over fight about sausage" -stories.
Excellent!
ANTIPAKT is not a Finnish project.
Quote from: ANTIPAKT on October 07, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
ANTIPAKT is not a Finnish project.
release on F&V=guilt by association in this case!
SOLD OUT from F&V. I still get emails about this. Next time larger run w/ANTIPAKT if they let us release ´em.
http://molehill.jp/shop/shop.cgi?No=7209 (http://molehill.jp/shop/shop.cgi?No=7209)`
I belive FreakAnimal also got copies left.
My Antipakt review can be read here:
http://purestench.blogspot.com/2010/10/review-06-antipakt-fuck-them-where-they.html
Nice.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/ac7a6f.jpg)
Look as a printed version, right? Or is it just a welcomed image?
Quote from: Nil By Mouth on October 30, 2010, 12:33:37 PM
Nice.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/ac7a6f.jpg)
Look as a printed version, right? Or is it just a welcomed image?
Everything except for the text was initially in my printed Zine, I scanned it and filled in the center piece with that black block for the text which was added after the fact on my computer. I've made so many images like that, some made it to become album art, I don't even know why I picked that specific one.
That would be great, especially an LP. I'm really hope that this was not a "one off" release. This unit has a great deal potential.
ANTIPAKT is aiming for 7INCH later this year or early 2012. Hopefully out on F&V!