From Obliteration to Enslavement has been one of my absolute & crucial records for a very long time, and that's it. for some odd reason, I never pursued the discography further.
I see now that they will be co headlining a tour w/ m favorites, The Melvins.
I'm curious what people think of the contemporary incarnation. Is it completely removed from scum or obliteration?
Melt banana will be on the bill here in Boston, so I am certainly going.
I have always casually checked new stuff out, but nothing has ever really matched Scum/FETO/Mentally Murdered/Peel Sessions. I don't mind Harmony Corruption but the magic just isn't there. Mentally Murdered will forever be the last classic record.
I've realized in the past few years that this band has been one of my most consistent, go to bands through every phase of music I go through and that the classic era is just about my favourite music ever made. I don't even own a "real" copy of Scum, I just have a crucial bootleg LP I bought from Sound Idea in the mid 90's.
Hearing the Live Corruption LP recently on that slew of Earache reissues was great. Just a classic era performance, it was great to get that and finally a legit Peel Sessions LP, on slime green, even!!
So to sum up - I am reluctant to see them live as I figure it would only be a colossal letdown and make a point to miss their shows. Something tells me the crowd would be insufferable too. Same with Carcass!
I watched them live recently on the Carcass/Obituary/ND tour and they were playing material from right across their discography - Barney's voice is sick as ever! and it was a great show. Only thing I can't stand is being preached at with their politics between each song.
Quote from: AXNAAR on December 18, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Only thing I can't stand is being preached at with their politics between each song.
Funny you're saying that. I guess it all depends on which side you belong. I personally can't stand all the pseudo far-right "politics" which are so pervasive in PE, industrial, etc... It all comes off as a bunch of posturing, ignorance or delusion to me.
Early Napalm Death = A+
Napalm Death made only two albums, no? ;)
Saw them autumn '87 just after Scum had come out - quite a shambolic show with ridiculous long gaps between the short songs so they could tune up. Long forgotten Canadian HC band Subverse were headlining.
Spring '89 at a much bigger venue they were phenomenal with some of the most terrifying stagediving (from top of speaker stacks) I ever saw. Godflesh supporting. What a show.
I remember being shocked at Harmony Corruption which clearly was not the same kind of band who made those first two great records, no interest after that.
I'm good up through, and including, Harmony Corruption. That's one strangely produced album. A lot of things about it turn me off when heard elsewhere, but the concoction, and amounts, have always been intriguing to me. I really enjoy the Live Corruption VHS, too. Thank goodness for youtube. Scum can be a difficult listen for me these days. I'm surprised by how poorly it has held up. It's not that I don't care for it, but it gets a pretty lukewarm response when I play it. I'm sure there's some decent stuff post-Harmony, but I don't have the time for it.
The Carcass thing...I don't know what people here after Symphonies. Again, it isn't total shit music, but eh. Let's listen to something else, OK?
Seems it'd be unlikely for anyone to be a devoted fan of the entire discography, as even if you do sincerely like each record, you're not really engaged w/ the same band; in name only.
tangentially, when noise-projects change direction but not name, VS. same artist/new name/ new sound:
Any opinions either way?? ?
They used to be one of my favourite bands, I've fallen out of love with them over recent years but still happily return to the older stuff. Seen them a few times, great energy live. Was collecting the discography at one point but gave up. Ultimately there are now (and to be honest always were) bands doing Napalm Death much better than they do themselves. Still a special place in my heart somewhere for them though I guess.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on December 19, 2015, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: AXNAAR on December 18, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Only thing I can't stand is being preached at with their politics between each song.
Funny you're saying that. I guess it all depends on which side you belong. I personally can't stand all the pseudo far-right "politics" which are so pervasive in PE, industrial, etc... It all comes off as a bunch of posturing, ignorance or delusion to me.
Early Napalm Death = A+
It's delusional to subscribe to left or right politics exclusively - there are absurdities and truths on both sides. In general crusty/hippy politics makes me reach for the sick bag.
I just listened to From Enslavement To Obliteration. I first heard it in high school and as the first grindcore album I'd heard, it made a huge impression on me. I listened to it countless times and although I almost never listen to it these days, it was great to hear it again. Despite its far from optimal sound (I like it when blastbeats have a punch, like on the B side of Scum or Terrorizer's World Downfall), it's an intense and noisy album.
I like Scum, especially the B side, and the first two Peel Sessions (with the classic lineup) too. The split 7" with S.O.B. was still good, but I didn't like Mentally Murdered the few times I heard it. I don't remember their death metal albums (but I do remember the shitty sound of Harmony Corruption) except for Fear, Emptiness, Despair that I tried listening to a few months ago but turned it off since it was terrible. I liked Diatribes and Inside the Torn Apart in high school (over 15 years ago); no idea what I'd think of them now. Since then I've heard the odd track from their newer albums and while they were decent death/grind stuff, I just never cared for them.
One of my favorite Grindcore projects must be Creamface. The sheer brutality of traditional Grind riffs fit in with the general sexual and violent appeal evoked by the concept. Straightforward, dissonant, and varied music make up the majority of the material where one can always find something else. The thing is, the project is from 1999. And although labelled, obviously, as a Pornogrind band, the music itself has little to do with the sleazy, distinct groovy aspect of other acts from the genre such as Gut, Rompeprop, Cock and Ball Torture etc. I am not very fond of Pornogrind and might be accused of ignorance, but I don't think Creamface sounds like most bands I've heard from the genre. The general sound of Creamface seems to me close to traditiona Grindcore classics such as Terrorizer and Repulsion, or even Carcass, than other bands from Pornogrind.
The thing is, what was the influence for Creamface? What was the inspiration? Was there any specific band which influenced it aesthetically and conceptually?
changing this as general grindcore topic
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on November 20, 2022, 09:26:48 PM
And although labelled, obviously, as a Pornogrind band, the music itself has little to do with the sleazy, distinct groovy aspect of other acts from the genre such as Gut, Rompeprop, Cock and Ball Torture etc. I am not very fond of Pornogrind and might be accused of ignorance, but I don't think Creamface sounds like most bands I've heard from the genre. The general sound of Creamface seems to me close to traditiona Grindcore classics such as Terrorizer and Repulsion, or even Carcass, than other bands from Pornogrind.
The thing is, what was the influence for Creamface? What was the inspiration? Was there any specific band which influenced it aesthetically and conceptually?
Now it might be difficult to see the lineage, but back in 1999, there hardly was "porn grind" in same way as was few years later. Of course there was Gut, Meat Shits, but usually all had wide variety of gore, violence, and other types of stuff. "Porn" was most often also more as element of humor or overall exploitation.
Creamface was influenced by Blood, Agathocles, early Napalm Death, a bit of Carcass, a lot of all sorts of small grindcore bands of late 80's early 90's. I did not consider band part of goregrind not part of the CBT, Gut and such, but it really was more like band I mentioned before, but simply writing about things that was interesting and things that was part of life in general. I was quite annoyed to read interviews of "porn grind bands" who mentioned they were not really into XXX films etc, just did something sleazy and funny. That felt similar to vegan hc made by meat eaters or anarcho punk played by capitalists. In short: posers. So in many ways, I didn't (and still don't) relate to all sort "sick grind", rather the grindcore where guys who do it, sing about things they are personally genuinely interested in. Most of CF stuff included cover photos made, in DIY spirit, taking part in type of stuff what bands deals with.
CF is not over yet. Been 5 years since previous album, but probably next year something happening again.
Talking about grindcore in general, listening to bands, but having hard time finding NEW good grindcore. Any time recommendation comes, it is kind of... "quite good", but have to put it in quotation, since it usually has the speed, it has the skill to play, but lacks rough nasty sound, memorable songs and some sort of identity. You can return any day, any time to Scum, From Enslavement.., Impulse To Destroy, If this is gore..., and so on and on.
Discordance Axis will never have an equal imo.
QuoteAny time recommendation comes, it is kind of... "quite good", but have to put it in quotation, since it usually has the speed, it has the skill to play, but lacks rough nasty sound, memorable songs and some sort of identity. You can return any day, any time to Scum, From Enslavement.., Impulse To Destroy, If this is gore..., and so on and on.
Indeed. Modern bands might have better skills than those from decades ago, but lack "the feel".
Quote from: PuddysJacket on January 07, 2023, 08:29:17 PM
Discordance Axis will never have an equal imo.
When I think of good Grind, I think of Napalm Death (first two & UB), Carcass (first two), Terrorizer, Repulsion, Ässuck, and yes, Discordance Axis.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 21, 2022, 05:45:53 PM
CF is not over yet. Been 5 years since previous album, but probably next year something happening again.
Any news on this one? I wonder what kind of bizarre themes and deviances would be explored on a new album. As in a project that had its fair share of documentation on the underworld of sex.
Is there anywhere where I can purchase CF cds? So far I've only found Scared (...) on NHFA store. Are there any other distributors at the moment?
when grind started I laughed about it, then simphonies of sickness was released and I punched myself for not seeing the truth.
never been too much into the too loo-fi generic stuff, and appreiciated the over-produced stuff.
a few years ago I got back into it and really enjoy differenyt projects that stands between grindcore and power violence.
listening a lot Vermin Womb and Caustic Wound these days
Ingrown "Gun" is one of my most spun records in recent times.
The Socioclast album is one of my favorite grind albums of recent years. I didn't hit me until maybe the third listen. It doesn't look like they're doing anything else though. Poland's Nonsanto does some nice stuff. I'm still undecided whether it is top tier, but I feel that way about the related bands of Evil, Icon of Evil, Self Hate, and country mates Zatrata.
Australia's Innercity Uprising has been re-releasing some solid grind from the Sounds of Ordinary Madness comp + zine roster. Warpspasm and Magnacite so far. They're more varied than just grind, but that's maybe when they're at their best.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 26, 2023, 12:53:53 AM
The Socioclast album is one of my favorite grind albums of recent years.
Man, fully forgot about this. I was casually eyeing its release and then probably wasn't in the mood when it came out and neglected to check it. In Disgust is still one of the best to ever to do it, so I have faith in this one.
Socioclast is type of sound quality and riffing I don't really like in grindcore. Perhaps it is partially the logo, which makes on think more of Teitanblood than grind... That combined to style it certainly makes me think as much this dark low tuned black/death type current days metal. Like fast stuff of Antediluvian or fast Teitanblood and such, and not really grindcore what I personally like.
I made mistake of listening latest Rotten Sound. That is real teflon turd.
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on April 25, 2023, 06:09:40 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 21, 2022, 05:45:53 PM
CF is not over yet. Been 5 years since previous album, but probably next year something happening again.
Any news on this one? Is there anywhere where I can purchase CF cds? Are there any other distributors at the moment?
No news. "Scared...." CD I got last couple. Everything else sold out. I don't think old stuff can be bought from distributors. Only 2nd hand copies if someone puts it to discogs. Almost everything was repressed, so I doubt more will be repressed anytime soon.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 26, 2023, 11:35:09 AM
Socioclast is type of sound quality and riffing I don't really like in grindcore. Perhaps it is partially the logo, which makes on think more of Teitanblood than grind... That combined to style it certainly makes me think as much this dark low tuned black/death type current days metal. Like fast stuff of Antediluvian or fast Teitanblood and such, and not really grindcore what I personally like.
I made mistake of listening latest Rotten Sound. That is real teflon turd.
Not to be negative...but being negative...Rotten Sound hasn't since approached their PD10" quality. I can remember when Exit came out and received high praise. That's pretty much when I stopped paying attention. The From Crust 'Til Grind collection covers everything I need to know.
The element of Socioclast that is the biggest draw for me is the knod to Assuck. While they don't brick you with it, it's clearly there. And yes, In Disgust was great. It's surprising how few reference Assuck, Anticapital in particular, but I also say that about Napalm Death's Harmony Corruption. When I came across Toxic Bonkers - Blindness 1998, I thought, "Finally! a band riffing on Harmony Corruption."
as always my #1 UK grind recommendation are my friends ATOMÇK
They have a new album out soon, heard a sneak preview and it is pretty amazing. Here's their previous one:
https://atomck.bandcamp.com/album/every-room-in-britain
Quote from: Cementimental on April 27, 2023, 04:31:07 PM
as always my #1 UK grind recommendation are my friends ATOMÇK
They have a new album out soon, heard a sneak preview and it is pretty amazing. Here's their previous one:
https://atomck.bandcamp.com/album/every-room-in-britain
Those screechy vocals sound like a very annoying bird :)
By the way, I'm searching for this nice VHS:
https://www.discogs.com/release/7560797-Creamface-Creamface
If you want to sell it, then get in touch with me.
Quote from: Cementimental on April 27, 2023, 04:31:07 PM
as always my #1 UK grind recommendation are my friends ATOMÇK
They have a new album out soon, heard a sneak preview and it is pretty amazing. Here's their previous one:
https://atomck.bandcamp.com/album/every-room-in-britain
Glad for this reminder. I'd forgotten about them, and they really hit the spot yesterday.
Quote from: Kaaoskultti on January 21, 2023, 05:10:05 AM
When I think of good Grind, I think of Napalm Death (first two & UB), Carcass (first two), Terrorizer, Repulsion, Ässuck, and yes, Discordance Axis.
Forgot to mention Brujeria's first demos and Matando Güeros. Definitely a classic. Raw, nasty, dirty Grindcore done the right way. This is a "Deathgrind" which I find to be better than other acts, maybe because it is not overproduced and has a general morbid atmosphere to it.
Listen to Laughing Dog. Pure New Mexican crusty grind. They are still at it 20 some odd years since the first record
Squash Bowels - For Dead God - International Devastation - demos and some early splits - my memory was off. I thought they were more lo-fi and primitive, but it's generally quality grind and pretty darn good. Much better than I remembered. I had little intention of listening to the whole thing, but I did.
Brutality Reigns Supreme / Gruesome Stuff Relish 2001 - goregrind - the vocals don't age well with this stuff for me, but the grooves and riffs are holding tight - I can quickly get my fill, but when in the mood, it rides - both are good, but Gruesome Stuff Relish edges it out.
Gronibard - s/t 2001 - endless grooves and riffs - the production reminds me of the first Blood Duster album - one of the vocalists has a great, genuinely funny style.
Ulcerrhoea - Rise For The Downfall - demos, rehearsal, and promos - just started this...
Quote from: Zeno Marx on April 29, 2023, 07:20:43 PM
Glad for this reminder. I'd forgotten about them, and they really hit the spot yesterday.
Glad to remind :)
Here's a preview track from the forthcoming album -
https://superfirecords.bandcamp.com/album/towering-failures
Aforementioned new Atomçk album is out today!
https://atomck.bandcamp.com/album/towering-failures
Vinyl: https://superfirecords.bandcamp.com/album/towering-failures
Couple fairly good Finnish grind bands from recent times!
Urban Disposal doesn't have physical release, at least not yet. Finn true-crime grind, low tuned, often slow and heavy parts variate with blast that is kind of one-foot traditional blast, no double foot action or gravity blast. This kind of natural pace of blasting feels faster to me than when drums are "too fast" and lose the feeling of going forward and feel more like just "floating" around music...
https://urbandisposal.bandcamp.com/album/demo-2023
Talking of the same quality, Sonic Poison new album is kind of REPULSION esque metal, so would you rate it as dirty of death metal... or what? Well, people into old fashioned grind core could be into it! Vocal arrangement and certain mood also reeks that they must appreciate Terrorizer world downfall!
https://sonicpoison13.bandcamp.com/album/eruption