THIS :
http://blog.vinylgourmet.com/2016/02/the-return-of-vinyl-records-from-fashion-to-confirmed-reality-2016.html
I was sceptic at first, but new pressing machines? That is something.
I still prefer CD. Takes up way less space, costs way less, doesn't scratch or warp as easily. Still, Vinyl is a very cool format. I'll pick up a vinyl record if it's at a cheap priced used at a record store. Thinking about ordering a vinyl record for like 10 dollars from a band I like, but I'm not kidding when I say I have no space for this stuff. I have one book case where I keep my CDs, they fit there and that alone is a miracle.
But yeah, in this modern day of digital media where it takes up 0 space and doesn't even require you to buy it, physical format has become whatever the listener desires. It's really more of a matter of the taste of the consumer, whether they find cassette, vinyl, CD, or whatever appealing. In the end it's just gonna sit on your shelf. I do prefer physical format over mp3 when purchasing because I actually like to have something physical that I can touch for the money I spend on it. It's a nice feeling to possess neat albums and hold them in your hand.
I hope new pressing machines will make vinyls cheaper.
I buy vinyl because big cover art. To be honest it sounds same as compact disc (perhaps my gear is not the best to hear if there is diffirence)
Postages suck for vinyls.
Late last year, I read an article about a someone in the U.S. going down to Mexico, I think, & bringing back ancient vinyl pressing machines. I can't find the article nor can I remember who it was. I'm thinking it was someone who runs a label, not an pressing plant. It was an interesting piece considering how old the machines are & how difficult it was to transport them back to the U.S.
http://www.thevinylfactory.com/vinyl-factory-news/brand-new-vinyl-record-presses-enter-the-market/
There has been articles where it is made quite clear that pressing itself is hardly an issue. Tons of old machines still working and now new ones are being made, but what is lacking is companies to produce good laquers as well as I could suggest simply people with actual care for what they do.
A lot of vinyl is way inferior to the best vinyl on the golden era of vinyl. It is also true for noise. That when economical reality forces basically to choose cheapest way to do it, then that's what you get. In case of CD.. it is CD. if your files sounded good, then it's good. For vinyl, so many things can go wrong. Occasionally this adds nice rugged brutality to sound. Sometimes it simply makes recordings lack punch and power.
In the end, I believe it is simply matter of taste. With all it flaws, if you simply prefer to listen vinyl, then it's good.
Personally always preferred tapes and vinyl over cd. What others consider flaws have always been part of the charm for me. Music has to be really good for me to buy it on cd. Partially this is due to financial reasons, so much available and so little money.
As for the article, good news in general, although everything I enjoy have generally been available on either vinyl or tape to this point. It will be nice for things to stay that way for (near) future.
Quote from: JuhoN on February 25, 2016, 08:06:44 PM
I hope new pressing machines will make vinyls cheaper.
I buy vinyl because big cover art. To be honest it sounds same as compact disc (perhaps my gear is not the best to hear if there is diffirence)
Postages suck for vinyls.
The Vinyl Prices rises cause of the Hipster Trend, not the Usage of the Machines
For those into noise, vinyl always struck me as a total waste of plastic. Doesn't have anywhere near the frequency response that CDs do for that and many other genres. People want so much to have their work on vinyl that they'll even do lathe cuts, which objectively sound terrible. A great breakdown of the facts about vinyl's sound can be found here: http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/29-does-vinyl-really-sound-better/
To be fair, the article does end on a note of personal preference, and I do agree with that sentiment when all is said & done.
The artwork can't be beat, though, and I think they sell more as an art piece than anything else. But to me, it isn't worth the epic waiting period & insane cost. Hell, someone should just release a nice box of artwork, posters, etc with a download code in it & call it a day.
On the plus side, CD replication has never been cheaper or more accessible...
Quote from: KMusselman on March 01, 2016, 08:49:18 PM
There is also a hybrid CD/Vinyl format:
http://dwa-digital.com/merch/dwa381-rave-the-reqviem-is-apollo-still-alive-lathecut-cd-vinyl-hybrid
Interesting stuff
It looks like this
(http://f1.bcbits.com/img/0005891688_10.jpg)
On what are you supposed to play that?
Quote from: F_c_O on March 01, 2016, 10:33:57 PM
On what are you supposed to play that?
I think it's normal size of cd.
Out part is like 7' vinyl and inside part is cd?
Quote from: KMusselman on March 01, 2016, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: F_c_O on March 01, 2016, 10:33:57 PM
On what are you supposed to play that?
"The CD comes with a special plastic adaptor already inserted, in order to facilitate playback on a record deck. The vinyl track is lathe-cut around the outer-most part of the CD, with the regular CD-audio data occupying the remaining space inside creating a highly unusual and unique artefact."
well damn it, clearly didnt read it with proper tought. well, i guess its a neat object but there are certainly reasons why only one place produces them, heh.
That CD/Vinyl isn't truly a hybrid format - it's just a lathe cut. You could make a lathe cut record on damn near anything.
It's a cool novelty, but they all sound like an old gramophone record. The difference in sound quality can be found here: http://lathecuts.com/samples.php
Quote from: JuhoN on February 25, 2016, 08:06:44 PM
I hope new pressing machines will make vinyls cheaper.
I buy vinyl because big cover art. To be honest it sounds same as compact disc (perhaps my gear is not the best to hear if there is diffirence)
Postages suck for vinyls.
It is certainly the most expensive format and I am glad if it is still around but music should really be something beyond format types. I geuss it depends on what kind of playback equipment you have aswell. I have never warmed to CD that much but I am not adverse to other kind's of digital also tapes are neat but I need a proper tape deck.
It's great a physical medium still exists. My wife just signed up for an Apple Music account, and is thrilled she doesn't have to deal with CDs, fuck even FILES anymore. It's the way of the future. I hate it. I need a shelf full of records and a stupid want list written down.
So basically I'm assuming the "vinyl comeback/resurgence/bubble" is going to rescind back into a niche market sooner than later (2 years before the novelty wears off for most randoms) but it's been great to pick up great records and I'll enjoy buying used records? Maybe I'm wrong? I doubt it. At the very least it'll keep new stuff coming out. Maybe one day "record store day" will just fuck itself off finally?
I feel the whole talk about 'vinyl comeback' a bit silly because since late 70's I never left the vinyl era & vinyl era never left me. I understand the issue from the music business' and average consumer's point but to me there's nothing new, except that for a couple of years I've seen a small vinyl section at a local supermarket's consumer electronics department... until they close the whole music section, which they will eventually do - many have already done.
Or maybe the whole issue is just some worldwide hipster conspiracy.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on February 25, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
For vinyl, so many things can go wrong.
Yep. Starting from pressing plant and ending to your turntable components. For thirtysomething years I used consumer level automatic turntables and rarely changed needles. When I finally bought a second-hand Technics and put on my old Stooges and Bowie LP's it was like hearing those records for the very first time.
Talk about the superiority or inferiority of vinyl vs. other formats has rarely anything to do with common sense or what you really hear... it is all about beliefs and personal attitude.
One of the things that I like about vinyls and tapes is the division of the whole product into two (or more) sides; the fact that you actually have to change sides of a record. I believe that albums made for LP format benefit from this so-called limitation: artists need to think more about the track orders, dramatic development etc. I personally listen a lot of albums just one side at a time.
I basically stopped buying vinyl between approximately 2003-2008 (give or take, I bought a lot of NWN metal records) when my tastes really shifted from hardcore to "I'm enlightened to anything maaaaan", and I was buying shit that it was impossible to track down original pressings of, krautrock, free jazz etc and just go for the $14.99 CD. The "vinyl resurgence" has been great for picking up classics I like at cheap prices rather than making blind buys. And dare I say it, it's much easier to buy used records now that there's 10 times the record stores and people are dumping their collections. One of the women in my dog park let me come over and pick through her ex husbands collection. A original used "Music of Harry Partch" LP for a buck plus a bunch of other great shit.....
I'm into it. I just bought the Leaf Hound "Growers of Mushroom" LP repress for 20 bucks down the street from my house. That was awesome. And a copy of UFO2 "One Hour Space Rock" for $30. Both new, sound great....
I do hate walking into a store and having to sort through some fuckwad who thinks "Rumours" should be selling for 20 bucks and any metal record is automatically worth 40 smackaroos....
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Have you guys seen this?
https://bandcamp.com/vinyl (https://bandcamp.com/vinyl)
QuoteBandcamp is launching a new service that streamlines the financing, production, and fulfillment of vinyl records. With no up-front investment, you can create a vinyl campaign and start taking orders almost immediately. Reach your minimum goal, and we press your records and ship them to your fans.
Quote from: EXU on June 07, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISEEEEE FROOOOM THE GRAAAAAVE!!!
Have you guys seen this?
https://bandcamp.com/vinyl (https://bandcamp.com/vinyl)
QuoteBandcamp is launching a new service that streamlines the financing, production, and fulfillment of vinyl records. With no up-front investment, you can create a vinyl campaign and start taking orders almost immediately. Reach your minimum goal, and we press your records and ship them to your fans.
Sooo, basically Kickstarter, but for vinyl exclusively. This is cool in theory, but it's 100% going to tie up pressing plants and make vinyl take longer as well as increase the price because simple economics. If there weren't so many stupid emissions laws in Pennsylvania, I would open a plant myself because I know it would do well. The overhead is just too much of a risk.
Let's sit back and await one numpty after the other try their hand at pressing vinyl, fucking it up and causing delays from here to eternity.
My advice, if you don't have the money for this kind of operation then go out and earn it like the rest of us. Don't come begging for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/bebq3z/bandcamp_vinyl_pressing_service_is_a_great_way_to/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/vinyl/comments/bebq3z/bandcamp_vinyl_pressing_service_is_a_great_way_to/)
Seems like they'll be using a Canadian pressing plant (Precision) or maybe some (possibly shady) Czech one, but I guess they'll be buying or building one sooner or later. It will be probably a service for established acts re-releasing stuff and/or archive/live outtakes and/or doing vanity releases... Or maybe just going independent.
But it could be interesting in some other ways too, even for labels.
Without prices and knowledge of pressing quality it is hard to say anything tho.
There seems to be increasing number of new factories. New gear for pressing vinyl has been made available easier.
In Poland there is at least one place that started pressing. Mobineko had their own place since a year or so. There is fairly new one in Estonia where for example Bizarre Uproar vinyl was pressed. There is fairly new place in Sweden I have been told and in Denmark who contacted me while ago. Also new Italian place focusing on small underground releases is in process of optimizing their production facility. etc. etc.
Places like my45 (ger) that used to be tiny 7" operation, are now handling good quality LP pressing too.
It remains to be seen, how this effects speed and pricing. Basically everything costs the same everywhere. Differences are small. Probably shipping is crucial here, meaning the place nearest you may be cheapest, but it would be also nice if one could test same recording done in various factories and see who does the best job...
It is hard to estimate if price will become any sort of competitive element. It may at least make pressing vinyl faster.
Quote from: GEWALTMONOPOL on June 08, 2019, 12:09:56 AM
My advice, if you don't have the money for this kind of operation then go out and earn it like the rest of us. Don't come begging for it.
This statement is most truthful. No more panhandling.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 08, 2019, 10:06:07 AM
There seems to be increasing number of new factories. New gear for pressing vinyl has been made available easier.
In Poland there is at least one place that started pressing. Mobineko had their own place since a year or so. There is fairly new one in Estonia where for example Bizarre Uproar vinyl was pressed. There is fairly new place in Sweden I have been told and in Denmark who contacted me while ago. Also new Italian place focusing on small underground releases is in process of optimizing their production facility. etc. etc.
Places like my45 (ger) that used to be tiny 7" operation, are now handling good quality LP pressing too.
It remains to be seen, how this effects speed and pricing. Basically everything costs the same everywhere. Differences are small. Probably shipping is crucial here, meaning the place nearest you may be cheapest, but it would be also nice if one could test same recording done in various factories and see who does the best job...
It is hard to estimate if price will become any sort of competitive element. It may at least make pressing vinyl faster.
Nonetheless seems like a smart move from Bandcamp. Maybe it will cater more for the hipster market that doesn't even play their vinyls anyway, just a convenient way to fund this kind of option of release for artists that have their publics willing to without resourcing to kickstarter so it doesn't have to be a "big deal".
And for smaller labels, maybe leaving the option for "bancamp vinyl" open would be harmless (if quality is good) for releases that would not get this treatment otherwise.
Idk, I find this intriguint at least, we all know it's not something that isn't provided by other means but to have a big name company attached gives it all a twist.
There are already several Crowdfunding Platforms who support Music and CD/Vinyl pressing. Since Pledgemusic is Bankrupt, the others are more carefuly, i think.
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/VUUmKExdt4S2ZaT5zYUDEe-650-80.jpg)
https://www.musicradar.com/news/phonocut-lets-you-cut-your-own-vinyl-records-at-home
Speaking of kickstarter, this thing would be available for 1000 Euro, cutting ten inch discs at home. Unknown if it is better quality than lathe or not, but apparently not the same process as a lathe cutting, at least.