Two albums I've been obsessively listening to lately. Mysticum's "Planet Satan". Great, rather punk-simple sounding riffs and a nice misanthropic streak, as any decent Black Metal band should have (I get a bit put off by the word "Lucifer", though. Personal thing, as Lucifer is the "angel of light", it sounds too positive to me). And I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.
And Subklinik's "Musik For Dekomposition". A complete pastiche of Brighter Death Now's earlier stuff and it's brilliant. Relaxing comfort music. Basic Death Industrial. Fucking love it.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.
Quote from: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.
It all depends on type of black metal. If you listen to something like Mors summa - Europa Europae you will find an album which is certainly not "perfect and in perfect time", and probably no one sat down and programmed too many beats either. And there is in fact entire traditions of drum machine use in black metal (the 90s Greek scene with the PAH-PAH-PAH-PAH-drums of early Rotting Christ, Thou Art Lord etc). One major advantage is of course that you don't have to rehearse in the same way, and also that you get rid of the drummer - usually the worst guy in any given band.
That being said, I generally prefer very organic stuff. To me good black metal is closer to folk music than industrial. I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type. But I still think drum machine use can be great (like in Mysticum). The "perfection" is easily offset by awful (=great) sound quality.
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Quote from: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 08:18:45 AM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you - black metal for my taste should be rough around the edges, not mechanical and in perfect time - save that for dance music. Can you imagine 'Under a Funeral Moon' with drum machine? The drums are one element that makes that album perfect. I find it funny also imagining morbid black metal guy sitting down with his drum machine instruction book and programming his beats.
It all depends on type of black metal. If you listen to something like Mors summa - Europa Europae you will find an album which is certainly not "perfect and in perfect time", and probably no one sat down and programmed too many beats either. And there is in fact entire traditions of drum machine use in black metal (the 90s Greek scene with the PAH-PAH-PAH-PAH-drums of early Rotting Christ, Thou Art Lord etc). One major advantage is of course that you don't have to rehearse in the same way, and also that you get rid of the drummer - usually the worst guy in any given band.
That being said, I generally prefer very organic stuff. To me good black metal is closer to folk music than industrial. I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type. But I still think drum machine use can be great (like in Mysticum). The "perfection" is easily offset by awful (=great) sound quality.
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.
Quote from: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.
I have never had more than a passing interest in the 80s stuff. Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs, but my interest in black metal has nothing to do with them and never had. If I want old rock music I'll go with Maiden or UFO. ;) Even in the mid-90s, when I was so tRuE that I couldn't even listen to stuff like King Diamond without finding it "like extremely gay", I still never had a problem with synthesizers or drum machines. That being said, I think "drum machine black metal" and black metal with live drummers are sort of different animals altogether. I could list a long row of demos that sound great precisely due to the shitty drum machine, where a real drummer would have added nothing and made stuff much blander. Then again, obviously many albums would have been terrible with a drum machine.
The key is that the drum machine shouldn't just be a substitute for the drummer, but a key element of sound in and of itself (on purpose or by mistake). I think Mysticum, with the techno style bass drum on the first track of In The Streams of Inferno, is a case in point. But it's a free hemisphere, and in this particular case I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Quote from: Stoa on June 12, 2016, 10:05:43 PMObviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs
heavy statement
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Quote from: Stoa on June 12, 2016, 10:05:43 PMObviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs
heavy statement
Best quote I've heard all day.
Oi binge-
Condemned '84 "The Boots Go Marching In" - Timeless classic that manages to appeal to the bonehead crowd and "traditional" skins, while still riling up the left-wing sort that are really just punks with shaved heads. Heavy guitar sound with catchy riffs and no filler. How could you dislike this?
Combat '84 "Orders Of The Day" - Compilation with as far as I know, all their recordings up to a point. Again, like the above, heavy yet catchy and melodic. Also another band that seems to stir up controversy with each mention. I'd heard Chris Martin was on the right side of the spectrum, but the guy died in southeast Asia from drug-related health problems. "Interesting" discrepancy there, but they kicked ass nonetheless. I once put on "Rapist" and "Right To Choose" at a punk party and found out that punks can be realllllyyy touchy about song lyrics!
The Last Resort "A Way Of Life: Skinhead Anthems" - Another compilation of all this band's stuff through I think the late '80's. Sloppy, yet charming, with riffs that tend to be perfect every time, and a drumming style not heard enough in Oi; simple old-school punk beats but fucking hard-hitting. Roi's vocals are a bit drunken-sounding at times, but he sounds goddamned furious, and when he doesn't, utterly triumphant. Who wants to start a band with me that sounds like The Last Resort meets Hellhammer??
4-Skins were one of my favorite bands as an underage idiot, but now I'm realizing I only like the recordings with Gary Hodges on vocals - intense and aggressive as a Dr. Marten in your crotch. "Evil" has got to be one of the best Oi/Punk/Hardcore songs ever. The other stuff just sounds really cockney and is the sort of thing that liberal punks might use as an example of why they dislike Oi besides the fact that they're pussies. Oh well, at least some of the tunes have endured.
Iron Cross "Hated And Proud" - What can you say? The USA's foremost Oi band, and one of the first skinhead bands I ever got into. I like the fact that they used a distortion pedal on the guitar, using the melodies of English-style punk/Oi with the nastiness of US hardcore. Good shit if you're like me and want a little sloppiness in your hard music. I'm a big Agnostic Front fan, but they never did a version of "Crucified" that matched up to the original, and "Fight 'Em All" is another one of the top ten best Oi songs around. Apparently they have more recent recordings and still play live, but I'm way out of the loop on that.
Oh, and FUCK Vanity!! Any "Oi" that's praised in Vice magazine...well, let's just say that any skinhead knows better. Sounds like paint-by-numbers old-school punk with one of those retarded powerviolence "caveman" vocalists. "You can fuck right off!" I will, then, and go listen to some better shit with my beer, thanks. This is the kind of shit SHARPS listen to.
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
I've come to the conclusion that all Black Metal bands should have drum machines instead of real drummers. Drum machines sound better. You can do more with them. You don't have to bother with big, bulky crap on stage. Human drummers suck. What's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be
Controversial opinion! Would have to strongly disagree with you -
Yea, I know, and that's cool. I wouldn't expect it to happen. I just like obscene extremes. Still, Striborg managed to sound very rough around the edges with a drum machine. Leviathan managed to make it work, too. And I always thought it redundant that Ildjarn bothered to use real drums when the end result was pretty much as mechanical as it could sound.
Quote from: Peterson on June 13, 2016, 03:12:16 AM
A mummified prog rock and goth rock project wrapped in black metal bandages.
Hm, maybe, although you make it sound like Cradle Of Filth there. I can understand that view, I suppose Lurker Of Chalice did take his less traditional BM moments into fullness. But I'd still class Leviathan as Black Metal. He could kick out the jams and fucking blast when he wanted to.
I'd say with Ildjarn's drum sound it's how it's recorded. Through a tin can and string directly into a four track who's heads are never cleaned. That's not a complaint.
Quote from: Stoa on June 12, 2016, 10:05:43 PM
Quote from: AXNAAR on June 12, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
I guess it depends on your definition of black metal, for me 80's and early 90's style is the only true way. Might be confusing electric drum pads for drum machine on Mors Summa - not too keen on that style of bm anyway. Mysticum could be above average if they didn't have drum machine - I was waiting for the man that programmed them to get bored and add clapping hands or barking dog effect in there - far too close to dance music drums for me. Pushing a little button hundreds of times is a very poor substitute for hitting a full drum kit and playing with a band.
I have never had more than a passing interest in the 80s stuff. Obviously Venom, Celtic Frost, Hellhammer etc all have a couple of nice songs, but my interest in black metal has nothing to do with them and never had. If I want old rock music I'll go with Maiden or UFO. ;) Even in the mid-90s, when I was so tRuE that I couldn't even listen to stuff like King Diamond without finding it "like extremely gay", I still never had a problem with synthesizers or drum machines. That being said, I think "drum machine black metal" and black metal with live drummers are sort of different animals altogether. I could list a long row of demos that sound great precisely due to the shitty drum machine, where a real drummer would have added nothing and made stuff much blander. Then again, obviously many albums would have been terrible with a drum machine.
The key is that the drum machine shouldn't just be a substitute for the drummer, but a key element of sound in and of itself (on purpose or by mistake). I think Mysticum, with the techno style bass drum on the first track of In The Streams of Inferno, is a case in point. But it's a free hemisphere, and in this particular case I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Wow, some controversial opinions here indeed haha. Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre "could be above average if they didn't have a drum machine". Definitely have to disagree with this one as part of the charm/importance of these types of bands using a drum machine is to achieve a cold/mechanical/rhythmic sound in my opinion, although I know the techno beat percussion sound is cheesy or shitty sounding to a lot of people out there but I like it. You also have a genius band like Diapsiquir that uses drum machines and real drums, on VIRUS STN especially and sometimes in the same song.
80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....also:
Quote"I don't really care at all for the "inhuman" element, and these days I generally like the "Ukranian-nazi-in-full-battle-armour" type far more than "bitter scandinavian singing about his broken heart and how he hates everyone" type.
Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.
Diapsiquir is my favorite industrial black metal band easily, but Blacklodge, Neo Inferno 262, some Cloak of Altering, Reptile Womb/Below, Diabolicum all play the style very, very well.
Ildjarn also didn't always use real drums, on the Ildjarn/Nidhogg split LP most if not all the songs are definitely a drum machine and it still works perfectly, easily my favorite Ildjarn other then the demos and the first self titled LP.
Open new topic please!!!
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AMWhat's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.
Not sure if it's accurate to expect that non-human would mean "machine" or "virtual"?
I'd rather see if relics of rock'n'roll is abandoned, it is rather in favor of bestial or spiritual.
My strong assumption is that there has been very very few who have come to conclusion that elevation of BM happens when approaching virtual and synthetic sound.
When I saw Mysticum live, I couldn't really watch entire set. It was fine, and they did take the performance to logical extreme. Stage stripped from ALL gear. Guitars went straight to mixer. No rock'n'roll amplifiers on stage. Just cold thin effect pedal sound in line. No drum sets (obviously). Just guys standing on empty stage with non-stop bombardment of excessive strobo lights.
I've never been fan of industrial music on the side of matrix outfits and techno lightshows. I've always hoped that one day, there will be black metal & industrial fusion, what doesn't sound like dark funeral meets Ministry, but Darkthrone meets Ramleh. For example, think of Con-Dom's JESUS PENIS with transilvanian hunger type drumming?
Till now, most attemps to fusion BM & noise takes the easiest and shallowest elements of both. Instruments from BM, but no riffs, structures or atmosphere. Sound quality and distortion from noise, but no innovation or interesting solutions.
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Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 11, 2016, 03:25:23 AMWhat's next is to get synthesisers to sound like distorted guitars then you can ditch the last relics of rock and roll and have Black Metal as the completely non-human noise it was always supposed to be.
Not sure if it's accurate to expect that non-human would mean "machine" or "virtual"?
I'd rather see if relics of rock'n'roll is abandoned, it is rather in favor of bestial or spiritual.
Non-human - something that gives the impression that it doesn't come from us (humans) for us (same).
The problem being that we only have human perception. We're trapped in it. So I like an aesthetic that at least pretends, gives some impression of something that isn't normal humanity. Anything we do will be human, that's the curse we bare.
The bestial or spiritual, fine, but "spiritual" to me is definitely a human construct. By people, for people. That stated, I'm all for a spiritualism that regards us as incidental. That's why I dig the whole "anti cosmic" concept, even though it's a bit too tainted with religion. See also Eugene Thacker's concepts of "cosmic pessimism" and "world-without-us".
Bestial? Bit too close to home. We're animals. We've got instincts like all the other stupid creatures. Give a wolf enough intelligence and it'll start shaving and playing the stock market. Animals aren't that important unless you're eating them.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 14, 2016, 12:58:19 PMMy strong assumption is that there has been very very few who have come to conclusion that elevation of BM happens when approaching virtual and synthetic sound.
Very likely. I'm not interested in the "elevation of BM", I just like what I like. I don't expect anyone to want what I want. For the most part I'm into the usual Black Metal stuff, of it's own it's great. I just like the possibilities of pushing it, perhaps not up, but sideways into a different direction.
I'll probably never see Mysticum live, all I've got to go on is the recordings. Fine by me. I've been wondering about the possibility of bands just plugging their gear straight into the pa. You'd need a fuck-off pa for that, and a good amount of time at the soundcheck to get the sound right. I applaud their guts at getting rid of gear, but a live situation is different. Still, I think a drum machine could be a good replacement for a real drum kit.
The whole "industrial metal" thing really has trapped a lot of possibility of doing more with a drum machine in metal. Too much predictability within that catagory. Which is fine for the fans, but from my perspective, not much.
Does Blut Aus Nord play live? Anyone ever see them? Are they any good?
Just listened to as much as I could take of the new Master's Hammer album - this to me is the problem with taking a side-step from something that is already done well and does not need improving on - the album is a disaster to me but all of the elements are there that
should make this a good one, great vocalist, good interesting riffs - just ruined by the wrong kind of experimentation. There is nothing wrong with the old style of MH so why make a useless dance music inspired Black Metal album? It does nothing to improve the genre, just get's people asking "why??" a shame that a legendary band like this would make such a mistake - they should take lessons from Mortuary Drape who remain vital album after album.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 14, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
I've never been fan of industrial music on the side of matrix outfits and techno lightshows. I've always hoped that one day, there will be black metal & industrial fusion, what doesn't sound like dark funeral meets Ministry, but Darkthrone meets Ramleh. For example, think of Con-Dom's JESUS PENIS with transilvanian hunger type drumming?
Till now, most attemps to fusion BM & noise takes the easiest and shallowest elements of both. Instruments from BM, but no riffs, structures or atmosphere. Sound quality and distortion from noise, but no innovation or interesting solutions.
It's a tricky one - Matrix looking industrial is certainly not the right path and anything that sounds like dance music cannot be taken seriously as True Blackened Art. Mikko, your vision is so strong of this Darkthrone/Ramleh blend that you may have to be the man to do it - I would definitely be interested in hearing it.
My own activities blending BM with noise have involved primitive noise and primitive Ildjarn style black metal. Minimal composition, basic Oi! riffs, simple thud for drums. No pioneering or advancement for the genre, the opposite infact, a regression back to a level of base filth - but could it ever actually be considered Black Metal with so much outside influence? Simply saying Legion Blotan or Filth&Violence seem as fitting a tag for the material as anything else.
I don't really get this theory of dehumanizing as being at the essence of Black Metal - surely nature/death/human instinct/strength of spirit and will are at the heart of Black Metal?
Quote from: AXNAAR on June 14, 2016, 03:43:53 PMsurely nature/death/human instinct/strength of spirit and will are at the heart of Black Metal?
A strain of it, I'm afraid. I can leave it. Let Death swallow nature, human instinct, strength of spirit and the rest of it. It will anyway. Might as well praise it.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre
Actually Maschinenzimmer 412 claimed this already 1995 on their In Nomine dei Nostri CD (1995 on CMI)
Since i like the whole Mysticum Stuff a Lot, it isn't too much "Industrial", mostly uses Techno Music Influences instead of Industrial / Noise Elements.
I think Ildjarn fits as Merge between Black Metal and Noise.
I don't think that one can codify black metal as a one simple ideology. Even the early 90s norwegian scenes bands seemingly had all different take on the subject, with euronomoys even publically supporting communism (well, at least the totalitarian form of stalin, pol pot and others).
As for the subject of drum machines, I'd agree that they should be major thematic element in the music, where they actually support the music and aren't simply cheap replacement for real drummer. In general, I cannot stand when any form of rock or metal sounds too well played, stable or over-produced. Worst of course are djent where the drummer sounds exactly like a drum machine, at which point I ask myself, why the fuck bother except for the bragging rights? To me the lofi, less technical material is much more preferable, where bands like vetala, black cilice and others have given the goods in recent years. To me those are much more succesfull at being noise/black metal than any half-assed attempt at forcing the two together. In general, I myself find the studio produced, shiny, colour painted cover artwork black metal about as abhorrent thing that one can get and in a way, complete antithesis to me what black metal is and was.
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Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
Mysticum, the band that literally founded industrial-black metal as a sub-subgenre
Actually Maschinenzimmer 412 claimed this already 1995 on their In Nomine dei Nostri CD (1995 on CMI)
Since i like the whole Mysticum Stuff a Lot, it isn't too much "Industrial", mostly uses Techno Music Influences instead of Industrial / Noise Elements.
I think Ildjarn fits as Merge between Black Metal and Noise.
I stand corrected, you are right sir. I forgot they had the self described "Swedish Black Industrial" tag, even written on the spine of most of the albums, and In Nomine dei Nostri came out a year before In the Streams.
I think maybe that's where there is a descrepancy here a bit, I think there is a vast difference between most Industrial Black Metal like Mysticum and Diabolicum who use the techno music influences whereas you have bands like Gonkulator, Black Mass of Absu, Flooded Church of Asmodeus, the Bizarre Uproar/RfR split, Ritual Violence and Ride for Revenge by themselves that I think actually blend blend noise and black metal perfectly and none of these bands give me a Marilyn Manson, mallgothy Matrix vibe like most modern industrial does.
Mikko is definitely the man to do the Ramleh/Darkthrone blend if anyone is...
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....
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Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.
To quote another black metal, or black something, musician, Sizzla: Nah apologize!
Don't like the 80s stuff, never did. Originally because it felt like rockstar/shock rock and lacked ideology, now probably more because I never got into it, and hence have no nostalgic feelings for it. The fact that I listened only to black metal (+ the usual range of Cold Meat, ambient and side project industrial stuff that was deemed ok for some reason) during part of my teens is a little difficult to grasp for me as well, but I'm sure I had perfectly legitimate reasons.
I had no intention to assess black metal as a genre, just give two major examples of forms of it that I enjoy/do not enjoy. I've been into the genre for a bit more than 20 years, for a brief but formative period absurdly so, so I get to say whatever stupid things I want. On a less bantering note, I could develop both statements and make them a bit less "shallow," but I think perhaps the thread has moved on?
Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8
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Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 01:51:00 AM
80's black metal has a few good songs? Being too true in the 90's to listen to King Diamond?! Yikes....
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Nothing personal at all, but this has to be one of the most silly and shallow assessments of black metal I've ever heard. Agreed that most black metal is silly but when I read this I actually laughed.
To quote another black metal, or black something, musician, Sizzla: Nah apologize!
Don't like the 80s stuff, never did. Originally because it felt like rockstar/shock rock and lacked ideology, now probably more because I never got into it, and hence have no nostalgic feelings for it. The fact that I listened only to black metal (+ the usual range of Cold Meat, ambient and side project industrial stuff that was deemed ok for some reason) during part of my teens is a little difficult to grasp for me as well, but I'm sure I had perfectly legitimate reasons.
I had no intention to assess black metal as a genre, just give two major examples of forms of it that I enjoy/do not enjoy. I've been into the genre for a bit more than 20 years, for a brief but formative period absurdly so, so I get to say whatever stupid things I want. On a less bantering note, I could develop both statements and make them a bit less "shallow," but I think perhaps the thread has moved on?
Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8
HA! So maybe I was right, odd as I thought I remember all the Mysticum demos were recorded with an ACTUAL drummer but this proves that incorrect as that is definitely a drum machine there.
Also I know your comments were not a grand assessment of the genre as a whole, you can still say whatever stupid things you want no matter how long you've been listening to any genre I'd like to think, or I don't mind anyway haha, I just kind of get a kick some times out of how people deduce or describe all these different styles, aesthetics, 'trends' or whatever you want to call them or even the black metal genre as a whole. "Suburban White Kid's Version of Gangster Rap" was one of the most memorable and amusing descriptions I've heard from someone in regard to the genre.
Thread seems to have moved on indeed so I'll shut up now.
And I'm being facetious here so don't take me too seriously but...how can you be into 90's black metal but not be into Bathory at least!??!
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on June 14, 2016, 11:57:36 PM
And I'm being facetious here so don't take me too seriously but...how can you be into 90's black metal but not be into Bathory at least!??!
In the case of Bathory it's more a pure case of just never getting into it - me and my very suburban crew of gangsters didn't really care about the older generation of "metalheads", so we missed Bathory in the process and didn't really check it out until it was a bit late. I do like it when I hear it, though, so I guess my attempt to be cool and dismiss all 80s BM just turned out to be largely empty bluster. A far more intense fact: I didn't actually hear De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas until about 2002, or perhaps even later! Why that was, I really don't know, since it was released right when I was getting heavily into the genre.
I have grown up with early BM and proto BM (hellhammer, celtic frost, venom, bathory, coroner, poison (the German ones), mayhem, etc.) I was lucky enough to witness most of them live back in the days and they definitely delivered the good, both aesthetically and musically. there was a strong punk attitude, but in black.
Bathory wrote the template of what was turned perfect by Scandinavian project a decade later. But as usual, tastes are individual.
For example, I have been in love with Mayhem since Deathcrush, but did not enjoy Attila's voice on "De mysteris" (yet a classic album, with perfect sounds). I have never been too keen on many other big names (Most satyricon, Immortal and Ulver never did for me).
Interesting, Marco, I was listening to "De Mysteriis" just the other day and thinking the same thing about Attila's vocals. The man just tries too hard. Musically, though, that album in untouchable. Definite Death Metal roots but with that right touch of darkness and innovation that spawned the Norwegian plague.
I grew up buying a lot of those Bathory and Celtic Frost albums when they were coming out so with complete bias I'd point to those two bands in particular as shaping the classic BM sound. Funny thing is, Quorthon hated Celtic Frost and Hellhammer, but at the time everyone fucking hated Hellhammer, it was the thing to do. The number of zines I read that name-checked Hellhammer as the byword in bad production and crap music. Stupid cunts. Anyway, those first three Bathory albums laid down the fucking law. Couldn't believe it when he started wanting to be Manowar instead of wanting to be Venom (for all his crap in interviews there is no way Bathory was not inspired by Venom. I recall in an interview in "Kerrang" he refused point blank to talk about Venom. This was after the "Under The Sign..." album).
Still, I can relate to someone who doesn't relate to those bands. I got into Metal via Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. At no stage have I ever given a fuck about Deep Purple or Led Zepplin or any of that "proto-metal" crap with the exception of Black Sabbath, who it took me a while to get anyway. Maybe some of those earlier rocknroll bands I can appreciate now but I don't think everyone has to trace their lineage back to fucking Bill Haley and the rest to appreciate what's being released now.
Quote from: Stoa on June 14, 2016, 11:41:41 PM
Regarding Mysticum/MZ-412 I would like to remind you that the Wintermass demo was released in 1993. What that means for Mysticum's status as subgenre founders I don't know, but soundwise it's pretty close to In the streams..., only rawer. Judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxE8cwCCab8
Yeah and Mz released first Album 1989, but i talk about the Subgenre "Industrial Black Metal", the Moniker came up with Mz412, when they make a real Crossover with Dark Funeral ( In Nomine Album). In truth, there were several Bands who sounds "Noisy" or "Industrial" all the Time, since the Black Metal Wave starts. Remember Impaled Nazarene uses already in 1993 Industrial Cyber SadoMaso Punk as Moniker. Beherit, Bestial Summoning, Profanatica/Havohej, Ildjarn....
Is somebody going to create powerful music when they're more concerned with how the keyboards reflect some kind of superficial message? Probably not. It might not even be unique. You look at some of the iconoclasts of black metal or really any style of music and they were able to completely redefine the boundaries of the genre with the same tools as everybody else, and they were able to innovate while staying "pure".
As far as digital and inhuman elements go, you can listen at the Graveland "In the Glare..." demo and it's some of the best primitive metal ever made, yet I found out many years later that all of the keyboards were recorded using an old Amiga computer. So here early 90s Graveland is thought of as definitive "organic" black metal, yet they used a computer. And then you turn around and there are bands who created very clear, artificial sounding recordings who probably didn't use any computers.
At the end of the day it's the character of the music that defines it, not what is used to make it.
Quorthon always seemed like a prissy bitch to me, I love Bathory, the first five albums are some of my favorite music ever, but it's pretty funny to read how uptight he used to get in old interviews when Celtic Frost or especially Venom were brought up. I love the infamous story of Dead meeting him and being utterly dismayed at how much of a 'normal' and boring guy he was. Apparently Dead also left a demo of December Moon with a crucified rat in the Black Mark office and was told to permanently stay the fuck away after that haha. Or who could forget Tom G. Warrior and his anti-Hellhammer rants about how embarassed he was by it etc. etc. and then years later, "I'll write an entire book about Hellhammer now since everyone has decided my music didn't suck when I was a 16 year old virgin!". Fuck off you drama queen. At least the book was good.
Some of you are very lucky to have grown up during these bands being in their prime, I was a little kid in the 80's.
Amiga or not, In the Glare of Burning Churches sounds like it was recorded in another world and that's all that matters. The drumming literally sounds like pagan war drums.
Also on the recently created official Vordb page where Wlad from Vlad Tepes often posts, both (supposedly it's them at least) admitted to using computer effects or some PC effects on some of the old LLN experimental recordings even and that is some of the most underground, unique and atmospheric music ever created.
Like LIFE said, it's all just a means to an end, essence over form.
In fact I have a lot of respect for the zero tolerance Black Metal purists. I think it's great that there are people out there who just don't want any additional bullshit to their favourite music and are so aggressive about it. Mainly because I hate the Pitchfork/Quietus/etc. cunts who only review BM albums if they don't sound like BM. The kind of people who wank about "progression" and "innovation", as if those things are essential to everything you're meant to listen to. For me, it's a breath of stale air that there are those who want to keep things pure and unchanged.
If it comes down to a choice between some young, pretty hipster who's band "sort of started off as Black Metal but we think we're going beyond that", and some grimly corpse-painted intolerant fucker in a forest saying "kill everything for Satan!", I know who's flag I'd rather fight under. But outside of that choice, I'll fly and fight under my own.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 15, 2016, 03:39:55 PM
Interesting, Marco, I was listening to "De Mysteriis" just the other day and thinking the same thing about Attila's vocals. The man just tries too hard. Musically, though, that album in untouchable. Definite Death Metal roots but with that right touch of darkness and innovation that spawned the Norwegian plague.
I grew up buying a lot of those Bathory and Celtic Frost albums when they were coming out so with complete bias I'd point to those two bands in particular as shaping the classic BM sound. Funny thing is, Quorthon hated Celtic Frost and Hellhammer, but at the time everyone fucking hated Hellhammer, it was the thing to do. The number of zines I read that name-checked Hellhammer as the byword in bad production and crap music. Stupid cunts. Anyway, those first three Bathory albums laid down the fucking law. Couldn't believe it when he started wanting to be Manowar instead of wanting to be Venom (for all his crap in interviews there is no way Bathory was not inspired by Venom. I recall in an interview in "Kerrang" he refused point blank to talk about Venom. This was after the "Under The Sign..." album).
Still, I can relate to someone who doesn't relate to those bands. I got into Metal via Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. At no stage have I ever given a fuck about Deep Purple or Led Zepplin or any of that "proto-metal" crap with the exception of Black Sabbath, who it took me a while to get anyway. Maybe some of those earlier rocknroll bands I can appreciate now but I don't think everyone has to trace their lineage back to fucking Bill Haley and the rest to appreciate what's being released now.
you somehow described my ,life history eheh
hellhammer/celtic frost where big here, also due to geographic reasons. the way they shaped their sound/aesthetic left a big mark on everybody.
we often traveled at Martin Ain's shop in Zurich where you could get lots of underground stuff, etc.
I loved bathory in any of their incarnation (although my fave is Under the sign... that put the template of things to come).
I have strong respect for Attila, Tormentor's demo were classic in tape trading, but in de mysteris had somehow a weird tone, especially considering I knew those songs from Dead's version, which was just perfection. But I still consider that a milestone with some of the best riffing ever.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 16, 2016, 05:20:27 AM
In fact I have a lot of respect for the zero tolerance Black Metal purists... it's a breath of stale air that there are those who want to keep things pure and unchanged.
If it comes down to a choice between some young, pretty hipster who's band "sort of started off as Black Metal but we think we're going beyond that", and some grimly corpse-painted intolerant fucker in a forest saying "kill everything for Satan!", I know who's flag I'd rather fight under. But outside of that choice, I'll fly and fight under my own.
Concurred!
There's a YT channel called 'Hipster Black Metal' that has been trolling the likes of Myrkur, Deafheaven and Liturgy which is getting noticed by the crowds at Noisey, Quietus etc. Especially since Mykur announced to her entire Facebook following that she had to remove the messaging feature from her account due to the hate mail and death threats she'd been receiving. Needless so say it's all been quite amusing to see these cuddly little hipster types with their pleas for tolerance and diversity being met with the unrelenting vitriol and hatred of the BM underground.
Also, to these ears at least, the s/t Thorns album is a good example of Black Metal incorporating Industrial elements. The production on the drum sound makes them sound programmed and the cold, mechanical riffs, together with the raspy vocals lend a definite mechanical feel to the album.
I had no opinion on Mykur until I looked at the videos on that Hipster Black Metal channel. Fucking hell. Surely she's the one trolling?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on June 17, 2016, 04:41:22 AM
I had no opinion on Mykur until I looked at the videos on that Hipster Black Metal channel. Fucking hell. Surely she's the one trolling?
Aye, it's fucking horrible! The "future of Black Metal" according to Relapse.
I have to go for Niden div.187 as nailing industrial black metal, not that they even labelled it as that, but it sounds way more 'industrial' then just Bm with a drum machine. Swarm of bee's guitar sound, drums that dont really sound like drums, inhuman vocals.. a really bleak and hateful album.
Oh and Diabolicum's track with Survival unit.
http://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/in-ashes
"burn the young boy burn him good
so the flame can rise
burn the young boy burn him good
so the fire can burn
burn the young boy burn him good"
I mean not exactly Black Metal but I think Mortician totally settles the argument.
You can sound like shit with a shitty drum machine that is programmed to sound like an asshat drummer.
And be amazing.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on June 17, 2016, 09:05:42 PM
http://zealandardor.bandcamp.com/track/in-ashes
"burn the young boy burn him good
so the flame can rise
burn the young boy burn him good
so the fire can burn
burn the young boy burn him good"
Wow, this is beyond fucking awful. Thanks for sharing haha.
Also Mortician is fantastic! Total mongoloid cave man horror metal! The old stuff is definitely so shitty that it's good. The drum machine is part of their trademark I'm aware but if ever given the chance check out the Mortician live album with an actual drummer, it almost sounds like another band, in a very good and sloppy way.
Yeah early Mortician makes me think of musty basements and people with only two friends.
Love that shit.
As far as Mykur.
What is that the fucking Enya of BM?
I swear Relapse is just nothing but shit for the last 10 years.
At least the last 10 years. Heck I probably only give them credit because I had a couple friends get with them.
I'm pretty hard pressed to think of many black metal bands (in the "traditional, second wave") style that do anything for me in the last decade. Ill Omen for sure, but overall anything interesting is mixing in the sort of unhinged, chaotic vibe like Teitanblood, Antediluvian, Irkallian Oracle, Weregoat, etc (usually annoyingly classified as bestial, war or cavernous). I'm not interested in "progressive" black metal either because well, that just has no appeal to me. Basically I'm sticking with the classics and the odd new thing I hear that strikes my fancy. But anything that sounds like a fourth rate Emperor or Burzum clone in 2016 can eat it. Although total respect to the classics themselves and anyone rocking a band that sounds like Bathory, Kreator, Sodom or Hellhammer. Like fuckin' Deathhammer. That band totally gets it.
I'm probably more put out by the keyboard black metal elitists, most of whom are probably under 23. I'm basically sick of hearing about hipsters, falses, social justice warriors, women, vegans, Americans, people who wear hats, people who wear sneakers, etc. The 90's was not some "safe space" from the likes of outsiders even though the "stomp the faces of posers" elite romanticize it that way. Basically I'm sick of complaining and hearing people complain about things that have no bearing on their lives. See and look I'm complaining about complaining!! You can't win. Well I'm off to live in a hut in the woods..... Goodbye forever......
Quote from: holy ghost on June 26, 2016, 01:40:22 AM
I'm pretty hard pressed to think of many black metal bands (in the "traditional, second wave") style that do anything for me in the last decade. Ill Omen for sure, but overall anything interesting is mixing in the sort of unhinged, chaotic vibe like Teitanblood, Antediluvian, Irkallian Oracle, Weregoat, etc (usually annoyingly classified as bestial, war or cavernous). I'm not interested in "progressive" black metal either because well, that just has no appeal to me. Basically I'm sticking with the classics and the odd new thing I hear that strikes my fancy. But anything that sounds like a fourth rate Emperor or Burzum clone in 2016 can eat it. Although total respect to the classics themselves and anyone rocking a band that sounds like Bathory, Kreator, Sodom or Hellhammer. Like fuckin' Deathhammer. That band totally gets it.
I'm probably more put out by the keyboard black metal elitists, most of whom are probably under 23. I'm basically sick of hearing about hipsters, falses, social justice warriors, women, vegans, Americans, people who wear hats, people who wear sneakers, etc. The 90's was not some "safe space" from the likes of outsiders even though the "stomp the faces of posers" elite romanticize it that way. Basically I'm sick of complaining and hearing people complain about things that have no bearing on their lives. See and look I'm complaining about complaining!! You can't win. Well I'm off to live in a hut in the woods..... Goodbye forever......
Your mostly right, bands that typically try to capture the second wave feeling typically do nothing for me, the late 90's early 2000's were the fucking worst period for this style of black metal where it seems like everyone decided to ditch the shitty vampiric goth trend and then jumped back on the darkthrone/burzum clone wagon...until Watain and Funeral Mist came along. Kind of fascinating how there is an ebb and flow to styles, artistic approaches, or 'trends' as most keyboard warriors call it.
Having said that, and as interesting as it can be in a way, it doesn't bother me at all though. In fact, a small part of me smiles whenever I see people get upset or get all riled up about the things you mentioned like sjws, vegans, Watain, Americans, hipsters or whatever. Also I'm glad that being American and being interested in black metal by default pisses people off, since I am a Yank myself, and especially considering the genre was partially born here with Von, Profanatica, Necrovore and Absu making it all the more pathetic. It shows that most people involved in subculture and especially metal subculture, are actually sheltered, comfortable, spoiled little pigs with too much free time on their hands who actually enjoy whining, complaining, and spouting bullshit on the internet to feed their egos more then genuinely exploring or listening to music. Sounds like an exact mirror of mainstream society with an emphasis on whining, style and superficial bullshit over substance, dignity, and fanaticism.
It has absolutely no affect or baring on my life as I try to survive day to day other then reminding me that there are people out there who do nothing with their lives/free time other then consume, bitch, and sit on their computers which is reassuring to me that people are exactly what I expect them to be, worthless and banal.
Back on topic, there are a few bands still playing in the second wave style that I think are worth noting that play black metal in the Scandinavian/French/Greek/90's Finnish style like Satanic Warmaster, all the Ancient Records bands, Void Meditation Cult, Necromantic Worship, all the Black Circle bands from Portugal, Funeral Mist, Cultes Des Ghoules, Panphage, Katharsis (apparently dead now)etc. There is always exceptions.
haha yeah, after I quit drinking (for the 3rd time, for reals this time!) I got super bored of the whole extreme metal scene. When you are sober-ish everyone seems a lot less 'Metal' and a lot more like grown men and women acting like insecure juvenile delinquent teens.
Especially the whole sub-genre elitism.
I get it, I really do not like whole acres of music. But in metal it's not enough, you have to denounce and say all kinds of movie scripted soundbites about the unpure false metalers.
Though to be fair, it is kind of lame how BM was this weird thing a lot of people found out about from Immortal's Wintermoon video. They dug deeper and were like, holy shit these Scandanavians are freaking amazing. A decade later and there are Eurovision bands and arena rock bands heavily choking on the BM phallus. Are they 'true' BM? Of course not, but you cannot deny that it is heavily co-opting the BM esthetic. Speaking as someone who was around to see a few other scenes get co-opted. It is a painful thing to have your obscure icky subculture pulled out into the sunlight of the global market and auctioned off. (though as a consolation, you probably have some very valuable 7" records now)
Nothing you can do but make music that is impossible to co-opt.
AND ANOTHER THING - intros. Those fucking boring new age wanks or faux-darkwave wanks that too many bands put on too much of their albums. Fuck that. I can handle the ultra-minimal and ultra-bleak tones of Ildjarn's "Black Anger" tracks on "Strength And Anger", and for some reason I'm pretty tolerant of Striborg's blatant detours into that department, but apart from that, fuck 'em. They're annoying and unnecessary. Nox Inferni's "Adverse Spheres" could have been quite good if it didn't rely so heavily on keyboards.
Some bands may make it work if it's part of their overall aesthetic. Maybe. But for the most part I just skip the intros and go straight to the raw Black Metal. It's like having to scrape cup-cake frosting off a steak.
I actually kind of like the horrible intros.
Some of them even sound like bad video game music.
It's a tactic as old as metal.
A pussy part with unicorns and faeries
followed by demons and dragons fucking in a volcano.
Some of them do much worse than others at this.
But hey the whole genre needs a salt shaker to stomach.
So much butthurt.
Quote from: calaverasgrande on June 30, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
I actually kind of like the horrible intros.
Some of them even sound like bad video game music.
It's a tactic as old as metal.
A pussy part with unicorns and faeries
followed by demons and dragons fucking in a volcano.
Some of them do much worse than others at this.
But hey the whole genre needs a salt shaker to stomach.
So much butthurt.
Dungeon synth! A friend described the genre literally just as you mentioned, 'bad video game music'. I personally have a huge appreciation for the stuff though, plus some bands do pull off some amazing introductions that don't sound horrible. Teitanblood has the best interludes/intros ever. The intro to In the Glare of Burning Churches is perfect too.
teitanblood has cool interludes but seven chalices had just too many of them. I enjoy that kind of music as non-stop full-force assault and for me, the interludes just broke up the flow I wanted from it.
In general, to me its not about the intro being technically competent but more that it fits with the rest of the music and actually seques into the metal itself, rather than just feeling tacked on. For example, Det Som Engan Var lp does this well where nothing feels out of place. Then there are some where I honestly just want to skip the bullshit and get to the good stuff.
Teitenblood fucking rule but I always thought they were more musically classed as Death Metal rather than Black Metal. Anyway, they fucking rule. Yea, that kind of thing needs to be a full on assault that doesn't break up into little bits and pieces. Quite a few bands seem to do that. I'm just listening to Mortuus Lunae which I quite like (nothing brilliant but good) but there's a bit too much let's-stop-for-a-spooky-break for mine.
It does matter if it's in context. Stridborg manage to keep a whole atmosphere going, from production to actual music, to make it work if there is a spooky-break.
Dungeon Synth I couldn't give a rat's about. I never bothered with Mortiis, apart from bits and pieces on CMI comps. If you're going to play synth music, do it properly. Fenriz's Neptune Towers is too underrated. I read a description from some wanker saying that he just leaned on a keyboard for half an hour which could not be further from the truth. He manages to stay true to his influences on both those albums.
Synth in BM has always been problematic. Good symphonic BM is a bit rare to my ears. Lymbonic Art did it best. I think The Eye is a good project too.
true story. I used to be this anti guitar solo fanatic. I would go through stuff like Reign in Blood and Ride the Lightning and edit out all the solos. Making a nice solo free version by recording it to cassette. Also allowed me to fit almost twice as many albums on a tape! Drove my hesher friends crazy.
Maybe you could do the same for these BM bands that get up your ass with fairy magic forest interlude in E minor.
I already do. Guitar solos can be pretty bloody annoying too, one of the things I like about BM is that they don't often indulge in such frett wanking. But taking the solos out of a classic like "Ride The Lightning", couldn't possibly think of going that far. The solo at the end of "Fade To Black" is a stone cold classic, fucking makes the song. A comparison between the brilliant guitaring of msrs Hammet, King and Hanneman at the height of their genre defining Thrash Metal powers and BM sub-par spooky-breaks is not one I would have made myself.
Been listening to a lot of WOLD lately. Like it a lot but if anyone else likes WOLD and hasn't seen that interview with them, don't. Bad enough that Pitchfork and The Quietus like them.
'First Spell' by Gehenna has guitar solos and super cheesy keyboards and a fruity little intro but i'd rather listen to that ep than any black metal from the 2000's.
edit:
QuoteWOLD ... interview
haha this rules
I think graveland has used drum machine in some albums. It sounds pretty good.
Wold interview is great. Doesn't seem vastly different to what you hear in lots of BM interviews. Maybe they'd all seem cringey if they presented professionally filmed rather than in text.
Quote from: Duncan on July 07, 2016, 01:05:59 PM
Maybe they'd all seem cringey if they presented professionally filmed rather than in text.
Doesn't help that he looks like Garth from Wayne's World.
Quote from: JuhoN on July 07, 2016, 12:47:13 AM
I think graveland has used drum machine in some albums. It sounds pretty good.
All the albums after Immortal Pride (although even that one is questionable...) up to the latest split with Nokturnal Mortum have programmed drums. The NM split has real drums for the first time in almost 20 years.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on July 04, 2016, 02:01:28 AM
Teitenblood fucking rule but I always thought they were more musically classed as Death Metal rather than Black Metal. Anyway, they fucking rule. Yea, that kind of thing needs to be a full on assault that doesn't break up into little bits and pieces.
YES! I think in an interview he stated that he doesn't classify Teitanblood as a genre, it's 'where death and black metal meet' or something to that effect. I hear everything from Beherit and Blasphemy to Nuclear Death and Autopsy in their music so I think it's an apt description. Best extreme metal band currently active in my opinion. Death is a modern monument and a swift boot to the face of all the people whining about how metal isn't as good as it used to be.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on July 04, 2016, 02:01:28 AMFenriz's Neptune Towers is too underrated. I read a description from some wanker saying that he just leaned on a keyboard for half an hour which could not be further from the truth. He manages to stay true to his influences on both those albums.
YES again! Underrated album. Not incredible, but perfect Eno/Tangerine Dream worship.
Also Graveland had Capricornus as a drummer up until Following the Voice of Blood at least and the band DEFINITELY lost something when he left. The guy's primitive, barely capable drumming fit the barbarism on the old Graveland albums perfectly. Incredible drumming, especially on Celtic Winter, In the Glare, Carpathian Wolves, and Thousand Swords. Fuck, such good black metal.
I second all that has been said about Neptune Towers. Both albums are spectacular.
When it comes to synth in BM I'd defend its use. The shittification of much late/post 90s black metal was never really about synth, but about overproduction. Triggered, or triggered sounding, drums, massive studio budgets (relatively speaking) and a complete lack of soul often coincide in latter day BM, which means it doesn't really matter if there's a ton of synth, or if it's just "pure" raw guitar/bass/dums/screams. It's still shock rock rather than BM. There's lots of old classic albums that use or even overuse synthesizers, with Emperor's 'In the Nightside Eclipse' being perhaps the most well known example of the latter. To me that album remains absolutely essential, and nothing is taken away by the whole production being swamped in synths to the point where the vocals are more or less eclipsed (see what I did there?).
There's a ton of bands that ripped this style off, more or less, to great effect. Abigor's Orkblut or early Abyssum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLR51rjWpyw), are prime examples. And noone is allowed to hate on Abigor's Orkblut or early Abyssum!
Quote from: calaverasgrande on June 26, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Nothing you can do but make music that is impossible to co-opt.
They call it NSBM.
And totally glad to see people who care for Neptune Towers. I did wait for years for that. Both are great albums.
About MZ.412 and Mysticum and tags. Surely, MZ.412 never talked about "Black Industrial METAL". So i dont think somebody
should mix these bands up on this matter.
People who are into the likes of Mysticum, Blacklodge, Diabolicum, etc. should check out french Helel.
I dont like proto-metal or proto-BM myself and i am totally fine with that. Into BM for like 20 years now. I dont care.
Lately I have been into a band from France called Nuit Noire. Black metal with female vocals, with punk influences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7WLv9OazGs
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....
Nuit Noire is really good, although I grew up listening to the demos so they in particular hold a special place for me. Black Form is one of the best blendings of black metal and punk ever recorded. The later albums are good, but the atmosphere of the tapes is absolutely untouched. Lots of nostalgia for me in old Nuit Noire.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 13, 2016, 03:37:48 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....
I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.
Quote from: Stoa on July 13, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 13, 2016, 03:37:48 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....
I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.
I definitely need to check out this Svarga album then, thanks for the recommendation!
Also I forgot to mention to NO PART OF IT, the singer for Nuit Noire is a guy haha...I think there is female back up singing but it's definitely the androgynous wailing of a dude.
Quote from: Stoa on July 13, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 13, 2016, 03:37:48 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....
I agree. The synth use is undoubtedly "too much", but they make it work extremely well. Ukrainian Svarga has an album called "Символ волі" which to me has always been kind of a sibling to Hunger of the Elements. It has a similar synth utilization going on, though it's a bit more restrained in that department.
Just got a copy of Gontyna Kry's "Krew naszych ojców" and it reminded me of a cross between Kataxu and Veles, so I suppose it could be recommended alongside.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 14, 2016, 01:05:49 AM
Quote from: Stoa on July 13, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on July 13, 2016, 03:37:48 AM
Kataxu- Hunger of Elements is another primary example of absolutely excellent and perfect utilization of synths. Not my favorite black metal album of all time by any means, but that opening song In My Dungeon....
Also I forgot to mention to NO PART OF IT, the singer for Nuit Noire is a guy haha...I think there is female back up singing but it's definitely the androgynous wailing of a dude.
Good to know!
Borge's "III" album is pretty good. Two lengthy BM songs, one over twenty minutes that reminds me a lot of Striborg, and two long spooky breaks that actually work since whoever Borge is seems to understand dark ambience properly. If more bands/projects did it like that there wouldn't be a problem.
I highly doubt it, but any members on this forum old Absurd fans? The demos, the SA version of Facta Loquuntur and Asgardsrei are probably my most listened to black metal these days. Never cared about the band until way later in life for some reason...maybe I couldn't appreciate the infantile genius of it all when I was younger myself? Later material is good as well but nothing touches the atmosphere and spirit of their old stuff.
I much prefer the most recent stuff with all the singalongs
Facta Loquuntur is one of the best black metal albums ever. Also the lately released remastered version of In Ketten recording is fucking great!
I kind of forgot how incredibly great Cultes Des Ghoules are. I've jammed almost their entire discography today while cleaning my house and every bit of it is fucking solid. Haxan in particular, these records have thee sickest bass playing. It's all just a perfect blend of atmosphere, riffs, production and aesthetic.
Pseudogod - Deathwomb Catechesis is another one I really clicked with a few years ago.
Also Swallowed, more of a death/doom hybrid but hot damn this record is great.
Vassafor, aside from having the coolest choices of natural wood BC Rich guitars, can definitely rank out a damn near perfect record.
Weregoat too, really looking forward to the new full length.
Black metal transmission over/
Quote from: holy ghost on August 02, 2016, 08:11:08 PM
Pseudogod - Deathwomb Catechesis is another one I really clicked with a few years ago.
Weregoat too, really looking forward to the new full length.
these two for me too!
and I like all Amputator and Necroplasma a lot!
I like both old and new Absurd. Of the new bands I think that Totenlieder is the best, tracks like Der Hammer Zerschmettert Das Kreuz & Der Scharlachrote Tod absolutely make my blood boil.
Aside, I had been following quite some BM bands until recently, but the last 2 months or something, I feel a bit tired with it. Even though I still listen to a lot of Black Metal, but seem to stick more to known names or stuff that has been released about 10 years ago but never got around to listening back then.
As usual you bastards all prove me wrong, but good to see you're all men of class and fine taste. You've all mentioned so many good bands.... In Ketten recording is indeed awesome, especially on vinyl format! I also love CdG, Spectres Over Transylvania and the split with Goat Tyrant are like Necromantia and Mortuary Drape taking a bunch of LSD and meth and fucking. The two albums are in a class of their own too, for me especially Henbane.
Also I'm seriously pleased to see someone mentioned Necroplasma, incredibly underrated band, the tracks on the X Corona Bestia Vox Vocis that aren't on anything else are some of the best black metal ever. If you like the CdG bass playing this band does it justice too, especially on My Hearse My Redemption.
Swallowed LP is one of my favorite records of all time, there is NO other band that sounds like how Swallowed does.
I need to check out Totenlieder, I'm only vaguely familiar with newer Absurd.
currently listening selvans - Clangores Plenilunio. Italo BM with a lot of traditional instruments.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on August 02, 2016, 05:04:34 AM
I highly doubt it, but any members on this forum old Absurd fans? The demos, the SA version of Facta Loquuntur and Asgardsrei are probably my most listened to black metal these days. Never cared about the band until way later in life for some reason...maybe I couldn't appreciate the infantile genius of it all when I was younger myself? Later material is good as well but nothing touches the atmosphere and spirit of their old stuff.
Hidden in the archives of an old friend's tape collection, there's a recording of an 18yo or so me talking shit about Facta Luquuntur. As I developed a sort of hipster-ish relationship to "nationalist" european music, I started to get the point of Absurd as well, though, and since quite a few years I have a minor collection of CDs and vinyls. I think their later stuff also works, even though it has less of the whole Ed Wood black metal charm. Anyone into folk music, and hence awesome stuff like Heino, could and should appreciate Grimmige Volksmusik.
Szron is fucking awesome. Nothing else needs to be said about them.
Also, finally got A Corpse, A Temple and Mysteries by Black Cilice on vinyl. Amazing stuff. One would hope that all bm would be of such high quality.
I can't get enough of Cultes De Ghoules at the minute Or Deathspell Omega but their recent ep (which I just got on download) really doesn't feel that dark to me, dunno probably listening to it wrong or something.
deathspell omega rule even when they are oblique rather than powerful.
hard core is more than just volume/anger.
"...just Black Metal..." - Nécropole CD/LP on NH. At the moment my favourite and most listened BM record.
Quote from: david lloyd jones on August 24, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
deathspell omega rule even when they are oblique rather than powerful.
hard core is more than just volume/anger.
ditto
Enjoying French combo MALHKEBRE
That Necropole did seem good from the little I listened, gonna need to revisit it to give proper attention.
Malhkebre is excellent, I used to play Prostration all the time but I remember being somewhat let down by Revelation, no where near as rabid and frantic as I remember the mlp being. I should give it another chance though as I usually try to do with most records that initially underwhelm me.
On a huge Temple of the Fullmoon binge with old Graveland, Infernum, Veles, Mysteries, and then the worship bands like some Evil, Necrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times), Catacomba, and Blood Tyrant especially.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on August 27, 2016, 02:37:45 AMNecrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times)
Throw a suggestion our way, if you would. Nothing has clicked yet, although they clearly linger in a realm I often enjoy.
Thirding (or fourthing?) the
Nécropole mention. Résilience (i.e., this and
Caverne) has been one of the best arrivals in the last few years. Was so happy to see the NH reissue, as I thought that was at least as deserving, if not more, of equal the attention that
Caverne got with the IBP reissues.
Gonna add
Malokarpatan's
"Stridžie dni" for its dirt, dust, spittle, hangover, spirit (as in, malevolent creatures) littered atmosphere. Very akin to
Negative Plane, but probably moreso through mutual praise of the BM forefathers than as a way to imitate a contemporary. Aggression, riffs, confidence and originality. Many of the hallmarks of a classic record ala
Master's Hammer,
Tormentor,
Mefisto,
Bathory, etc... that speed/thrash/heavy feeling all around. Rye bourbon all night and this on for the third time.
EDIT: Will also add
Blood Stronghold, I count 5 releases so far if I haven't missed anything. Featuring
Necrostrigis performers, which I guess brought them to mind. Also the
Drowning The Light/
Eternum fella. But, at the risk of heresy, I must say this is at least tenfold superior to any of that. That BM air of escapism, glory and melancholy that first made this genre so important to me is resplendent in each release (although
"The March Of Apparitions" gets my utmost recommendations over all else). The kind of extended arm to a magnificent past and the 50/50 chance of victorious/damning future. Cruel fate and time pondered on a twilight night. Vast ocean of stars and futility. But a surge in the blood reignites the urge to march! (Or more literally, this is the ultimate early-90's sound that come from Eastern Europe and has generally been poorly mimicked till this).
Quote from: eyestrain on August 27, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on August 27, 2016, 02:37:45 AMNecrostrigis (fucking AMAZING at times)
Throw a suggestion our way, if you would. Nothing has clicked yet, although they clearly linger in a realm I often enjoy.
EDIT: Will also add Blood Stronghold, I count 5 releases so far if I haven't missed anything. Featuring Necrostrigis performers, which I guess brought them to mind. Also the Drowning The Light/Eternum fella. But, at the risk of heresy, I must say this is at least tenfold superior to any of that. That BM air of escapism, glory and melancholy that first made this genre so important to me is resplendent in each release (although "The March Of Apparitions" gets my utmost recommendations over all else). The kind of extended arm to a magnificent past and the 50/50 chance of victorious/damning future. Cruel fate and time pondered on a twilight night. Vast ocean of stars and futility. But a surge in the blood reignites the urge to march! (Or more literally, this is the ultimate early-90's sound that come from Eastern Europe and has generally been poorly mimicked till this).
Wilkołaki księżycowego pentagramu, the only full length from three years ago is in my opinion an excellent starting point or at least it was for me along with the split 7'' with Evil. They have so many releases though so I'm a little bewildered as to where to go from here, probably one of the compilations..
Didn't know Blood Stronghold had Azorgh involved, I'll have to check it out. Not the biggest DtL fan, I just ordered From the Abyss on tape after checking it out though and being impressed. Back when DtL first started the songs sounded like Satanic Warmaster and Moonblood throw aways but this along with the Diabolical Winter Spells stuff has me interested now. The fact Necrostrigis members are also involved and your description combined has me interested definitely!
Not Azgorh involved, but Nightwolf. I personally prefer the Necrostrigis sound to BS(though they're kind of apples to oranges), but I'll have to go back and listen to the material I have from Blood Stronghold. On that Polish note, I don't think Ravenmoon Sanctuary has been mentioned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTliJogIOlA Key-laden BM done right with a mystical, nostalgic feeling. Will also have to echo the support for the Necropole/Caverne releases, especially Caverne's album.
new Inquisition album is pretty damn good.
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)
Just discovered Order of the Death's Head. Really great riffy black metal, excellent vocals. Not much black metal interests me these days but this hits the spot.
Quote from: 13 on August 31, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)
Somebody has way too much spare time.
Quote from: Leewar on August 31, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
Quote from: 13 on August 31, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
This list might be of interest: https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209 (https://www.maldororspeaks.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1209#p1209)
Somebody has way too much spare time.
the quoted reference or the thread?
The forum link, "I have decided to include every album I remember being talked about in the underground at the time" - theres a good few releases on there that only became 'cool' in recent years.
Plus who really cares? Everybody is so anal about Black Metal these days, bar codes,1st pressings, lists, pre order's. Its worse then stamp collecting.
Let me guess, the guy who wrote that list was probably still in a pram in 1990.
Quote from: ritualabuser on August 28, 2016, 10:10:44 PM
Not Azgorh involved, but Nightwolf. I personally prefer the Necrostrigis sound to BS(though they're kind of apples to oranges), but I'll have to go back and listen to the material I have from Blood Stronghold. On that Polish note, I don't think Ravenmoon Sanctuary has been mentioned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTliJogIOlA Key-laden BM done right with a mystical, nostalgic feeling. Will also have to echo the support for the Necropole/Caverne releases, especially Caverne's album.
Thanks for the recommendation, this RS is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for! I also can't get enough of the Fullmoon rehearsal that was put out not to long ago.
I still need to get around to hearing the new Inquisition, I've heard nothing but good things as usual. I wish Kramer was still doing the cover art for the albums..
Order of the Death's Head is fucking fantastic as well, that mournful but powerful NSBM riffing style has not been done this well since Kristallnacht.
Black Metal reached it's musical apex many years ago and now so many peoples just exist to suck the money out of stupid kids. Finding peoples in it all that aren't mentally retarded (or just acting that way) is a very rare feat indeed. On the very rare occasion I actually listen to a black metal album it is almost always black and roll.
Underground BM (NSBM especially) became more of an artistic platform for alternative lifestyles then actual music well before I came along.
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY
Quote from: BlackHole on September 08, 2016, 04:34:59 AM
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY
Agreed, one of the best tapes I've heard in recent memory. There was a period where I was listening to this and the most recent Obskuritatem daily, multiple times. I think I'll return to this again today..
New Bekëth Nexëhmü lp and cd's recently released, everything released on Ancient Records and Mysticism Productions is consistently high quality but for me BN is easily the best band out of all the projects.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on September 09, 2016, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: BlackHole on September 08, 2016, 04:34:59 AM
This is the best black metal band I have discovered in ages. Highly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUhwgQ9wcY
Agreed, one of the best tapes I've heard in recent memory. There was a period where I was listening to this and the most recent Obskuritatem daily, multiple times. I think I'll return to this again today..
New Bekëth Nexëhmü lp and cd's recently released, everything released on Ancient Records and Mysticism Productions is consistently high quality but for me BN is easily the best band out of all the projects.
Also agreed. Bekëth Nexëhmü is excellent. Look forward to hearing the new LP. Mystik sounds pretty promising as well based on the sample on youtube.
I dunno, RE; Ancient Records stuff, I remember enjoying most, but I went back and listened to the Kaos Sacramentum comp CD and was thoroughly unimpressed. Have to give the LPs another spin, but if they're anything like that, they'll likely be up for grabs soon. Best bands I remember being on the label are Helgedom and Urkaos, though the most recent Urkaos release didn't really impress me too much.
Quote from: ritualabuser on September 09, 2016, 08:23:31 AMKaos Sacramentum comp CD
That comp is the weakest KS release, every album kills. Such a fantastic "scene" they have there in Sweden...
Not related to that scene but: Hail Fungi! http://youtu.be/ZzJbJ7WOM7A
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 09, 2016, 08:51:40 AM
fantastic "scene" they have there...
Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.
Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".
I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PMI remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations.
Could it be that this "one party involved" just has some grudge against the guy or something?
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PMWhatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
I've heard some rumors but rumors are always rumors and I don't give a fuck.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PMWhile a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.
Yeah, they certainly have couple bands in that "circle" (better than "scene"?) that remind me of some other well known bands but I'd definitely take a good replication over some shitty wannabe uniqueness.
Out of the more unique bands I could bring up Hädanfärd and Grav, which may both sound a bit like LIK or Armagedda but since the person behind those bands went all "only true CHRISTIAN believers" (another rumor...), good death worship in the same musical vein is no problem to me. Then there's Grifteskymfning which I'd say is quite original actually and "Likpsalm" happens to be one of better new black metal releases imo. Also some new bands on Mysticism Prods are quite unique. Grudom from Denmark is totally out of this world and one of a kind without trying to force the "uniqueness"... Might be a bit niche stylistically but it's outsider music for outsiders. Same applies to many other bands on that side-label.
Their new label is Nordisk Kultur btw.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 09, 2016, 08:51:40 AM
fantastic "scene" they have there...
Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.
Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".
I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.
I agree, partially. There are a few bands under the Ancient Records banner such as Hadanfard, Beketh Nexehmu, Grav, etc that don't really sound like anything else. Then there are the other bands that sound like typical Swedish BM...in other words Dissection. But the aforementioned bands have pretty unique sounds.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 10, 2016, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PMI remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations.
Could it be that this "one party involved" just has some grudge against the guy or something?
Out of the more unique bands I could bring up Hädanfärd and Grav, which may both sound a bit like LIK or Armagedda but...
Actually that comment was meant by person as positive one. I wasnt very convinced.
Those mentioned bands, I liked a bit, but also very quickly filed it under all the swedes ala Lifelover, lik, hypotermia, etc etc which are not the kind of BM I prefer to listen to.
Agreed that Ancient Records etc is not the most original to say the least, but the exception I think is BN and definitely has it's own sound and style, of course comparisons can be made to similar bands/influences but I think this band is in a class of it's own. Good mentioning of Grudom as well as this band sounds absolutely like no other band I have ever heard and is simply incredible. Helgedom as well, very ghostly and otherwordly aura with a unique approach in my opinion also. A lot of bands use forest and nature imagery but these three bands really live up to the atmosphere depicted on their album covers..
Been listening to shitloads of Stridborg lately and have to state that that Blood Tyrant material sounds very similar. Which is to say, I very much like it.
Not so keen on Grudom, though. They're not so much "expanding" the genre as pretty much leaving it behind. And I just don't care for their music anyway.
Put the Ancient Records Demo Comp and Svartrit I-III LPs up for sale.
RE: Grudom- I like them as they remind me of Ved Buens Ende but more low fi.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 10, 2016, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 09, 2016, 08:51:40 AM
fantastic "scene" they have there...
Haha! I remember talking with one party involved, and he concluded it's great that some guy just sits home endlessly replicating BM and can't handle human relations. Whatever exact medical condition of the person churning out ton of stuff is, I won't throw much rumors online, hehe..
But it somehow seems rather clear. While a lot of Ancient Records stuff appears good, at the same time it seems like replication of good bm.
Of course this conclusion could be made from a lot of material out there. But even more, when there are guys who appear of trying to replicate historical situation. One guy churning scene worth of obscure releases, ain't the "obscure scene".
I don't know what it is with Swedish scene - in all its diversity and long history, but ain't much of bands that would interest me.
Yeah, I don't really understand why everyone goes nuts over the Ancient Records stuff. I like Reverorum ib Malacht, except the demo LP they released is by far that project's weakest material & not really worth having. Svartrit & Kaos Sacramentum & some others sound good on the first listen, but don't bear up to repeat listens, at least not to me. Well done black metal of a certain style, but too derivative to be memorable.
There have been plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.
That being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PMCraft (although the last record was not their best)
Can't agree, although I can understand why someone would think that. At first few listens it went over my head. But gradually it sunk in and now I'd say it's their best release so far.
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PMThat being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.
Be a bit odd to have a Black Metal band sounding full of life, eh?
But again I get your point. Certainly Dark Funeral and Watain are just going through the motions. Marduk, on the other hand, improved enormously when Håkansson basically sacked the rest of the band and brought in new (and old) members. "Plague Angel" is an excellent album.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 13, 2016, 01:35:51 AM
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PMCraft (although the last record was not their best)
Can't agree, although I can understand why someone would think that. At first few listens it went over my head. But gradually it sunk in and now I'd say it's their best release so far.
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PMThat being said, most of the "big" names in Swedish black metal, like Marduk (although I do like a couple records), new Watain (post-Sworn to the Dark), Dark Funeral, sound boring and lifeless to me.
Be a bit odd to have a Black Metal band sounding full of life, eh?
But again I get your point. Certainly Dark Funeral and Watain are just going through the motions. Marduk, on the other hand, improved enormously when Håkansson basically sacked the rest of the band and brought in new (and old) members. "Plague Angel" is an excellent album.
Fair play on the Craft album. I listened to it 3 or 4 times when it came out, and while it's certainly not bad, it never really sunk in for me. Maybe I need to give it another spin.
Dark Funeral were always mediocre at best to my ears. Watain's old material is great, but nowadays they're just embarrassing. Marduk is hit-or-miss for me at best. "Fuck Me Jesus" through "Opus Nocturne" they're good, but not on the same level as the other classic bands of the era (Darkthrone, Blasphemy, Beherit, Master's Hammer, Immortal, Emperor, Ulver, etc. all releasing much better records in the same period). I know a lot of people go nuts for "Panzer Division Marduk", but I find the album pretty flat and uninspiring.
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?
Tons of good Swedish black metal of course, most of them already mentioned, DF first mcd is some of the best Swedish black metal ever in my opinion. Everything Blackmoon was involved in back then was excellent including Necrophobic (not BM obviously).
Still like modern Marduk and Watain, everyone complains Watain are going through the motions or are pop black metal or whatever but I think there are songs on all their releases that are as strong as Casus Luciferi, although no album has matched that album since then of course. Everything up to Sworn to the Dark is actually pretty diverse and I think they completely NAIL the Mayhem/Dissection/Ofermod sound, which everyone cites them for copying Dissection and Mayhem but I don't think many have noticed the sometimes subtle and other times obvious Ofermod- Mysterion influence mixed with maybe a little bit of classic Malign too. HUGE scene though with so many bands now, I can remember in the really early 2000's when practically the only 'underground' Swedish black metal that I was aware of was Craft, Armagedda, Necroplasma, Watain, Funeral Mist/Triumphator, Malign and Ofermod and I'm undoubtedly forgetting a few more at most. It's obviously exploded since then to say the least.
striborg-got so many releases that can't really say, possibly just dive in, as at the end of the day, can't say I remember too much variation.
watain- yes, like this band and having seen them live a few times, they pack a punch even if their music can be argued as not entirely original. pop black metal? well if you accept their ideas then spreading their satanic ideas to masses makes sense rather than remaining kilt, though as an excuse for 'selling out' ...
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/
Mouthgate is awesome stuff, strikes me like a cross between rotten BM and cheap 70's horror soundtracks: https://soundcloud.com/serfduct
Quote from: cantle on September 14, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/
Seems apt, Darkthrone have been a joke for about 10 years.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on September 14, 2016, 03:18:23 AM
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?
I'll tell you where
not to start, and that's with "This Suffocating Existence". As tempting as that title is, the first three songs for some reason suffer from excessive happy tunes. It's only by the time he gets to "Sleep Paralysis" he remembers, "aw yea, that's right, I'm doing Black Metal".
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on September 14, 2016, 03:18:23 AM
I need to check out Striborg finally, never gave the band a proper listen or chance. Any suggestions on where to start?
I'd go with the early material, specifically with Embittered Darkness / Isle de Morts and Nefaria / A Tragic Journey Towards the Light. I think those give good idea what its all about.
Quote from: Deadpriest on September 15, 2016, 07:29:40 PM
Quote from: cantle on September 14, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/12/fans-elect-black-metal-legend-fenriz-to-town-council-darkthrone/
Seems apt, Darkthrone have been a joke for about 10 years.
only ten?
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PM
plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.
Out of list, i have had or still have most in collection, but never really got much out of them. Some records just was bought when they came out but now, listening stuff, doesnt do much for me. Not opposing bands -I feel fine to distribute, but not really listen.
Exceptions Funeral Must and earlier Craft what now hits better than ever! Some selected Nastrond too.
And its not that I would be somehow "grown out" of bm in general. Not At all. Must have listened few hundred releases this year alone. Including attempts to several mentioned, but have come to conclusion maybe time to sell away some "classics".
I will list some bands I enjoy here for you guys in case you haven't heard them. I have listened to all these bands stuff a lot. If you enjoy these music selections feel free to make suggestions to me. Modern black metal is fucking joke! I would very much enjoy some new good bands to hear!
Bands: Katharsis,Heresi, Aosoth, Antaeus, Black Death Ritual, Uncreation´s Dawn,Nidsang, Kapein,Valoton, KORGONTHURUS( new band album just dropped from finland).
I recently checked the bands Caverne and Nécropole. Some of the best black metal I have heard in quite some time. Mikko released the two Nécropole demos compiled on LP earlier this year and would highly recommend picking it up. Really excellent.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 20, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Quote from: yosef666 on September 12, 2016, 11:02:28 PM
plenty of other great Swedish bands though... Dissection of course (not counting Reinkaos, what a turd), The Black (Priest of Satan is a true classic), Funeral Mist, Triumphator, Sorhin, Wulkanaz, Tomhet, Sigrblot, Ofermod, Mortuus, Craft (although the last record was not their best), Woods of Infinity, Nastrond, Armagedda, Necroplasma, (old) Arckanum, Bestial Mockery/Sons of Satan, Azhubham Haani, Setherial debut album, Malign, Panphage, Jarnvidr, Niden Div. 187, Silencer, Morbid Insulter... plenty more I'm sure I could think of. All a matter of taste of course, but to my ears there's plenty of great black metal from Sweden for sure.
Out of list, i have had or still have most in collection, but never really got much out of them. Some records just was bought when they came out but now, listening stuff, doesnt do much for me. Not opposing bands -I feel fine to distribute, but not really listen.
Exceptions Funeral Must and earlier Craft what now hits better than ever! Some selected Nastrond too.
And its not that I would be somehow "grown out" of bm in general. Not At all. Must have listened few hundred releases this year alone. Including attempts to several mentioned, but have come to conclusion maybe time to sell away some "classics".
Ha, yes, I did not think you've grown out of black metal Mikko... one listen to the last Clandestine Blaze LP confirms that the fire still burns in your heart.
Well, I'm glad to hear that Funeral Mist and Craft still appeal to you at least! I do prefer earlier Nastrond, mainly the demo, 7" and first LP. I'm surprised you're not too into Sorhin, Triumphator, Armagedda, Ofermod (at least the first one)... but to each their own, certainly.
Speaking of the various national scenes, the Finnish scene is rather strong too. Not as many well-known acts as for example Sweden or Norway, but also due to that fact, far fewer national embarrassments. I can't think of an awful black metal band from Finland that is internationally known. I would list many Finnish acts among my all-time favorites, especially Ride For Revenge (godz, I have the horseman logo tattooed prominently on my upper arm), Barathrum, early Impaled Nazarene, Clandestine Blaze, Cosmic Church, Keres, Goatmoon, Circle of Ouroborus, Rahu... Bloodhammer, Musta Surma, Vordr, Venus Star, Uncreation's Dawn/Uncelestial, Incriminated, Verivala, IC Rex, Phlegein, Karmic Void, Diaboli, Blood Red Fog, Charnel Winds, Gandr, Cornigr, Blutschrei, Pantheon of Blood, Saturnian Mist, etc. are quite good too. On the other hand, while I have nothing but respect for some of the more popular Finish bands, like Sargeist, Behexen, Baptism, Horna and others of that circle, I never feel the urgent need to spin those albums. Indeed, I sold off my personal copies of most some time ago. Satanic Warmaster too. The demos and first couple albums are excellent, but it's mostly ot too much to my taste after that, although I did quite like the series of 3 necro-sounding EPs on NH a few years back.
Quote from: BlackHole on September 23, 2016, 04:12:21 AM
I recently checked the bands Caverne and Nécropole. Some of the best black metal I have heard in quite some time. Mikko released the two Nécropole demos compiled on LP earlier this year and would highly recommend picking it up. Really excellent.
Yes, excellent stuff indeed, I was just playing the Necropole LP for my girlfriend today in fact. The new Caverne album is fantastic, hopefully it gets the vinyl treatment as well.
Just a heads-up for those not aware of this -
'Pirunkehto' - a well researched book (over 500 pages) about the evolution of Finnish black metal from late 80s to present day, written by Tero Ikäheimo, was recently released by Svart Records. Info on Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, Barathrum, Archgoat, Azazel, Diaboli, Darkwoods My Betrothed, Horna, Vornat, Thy Serpent, Wanderer, Urn, Black Dawn, ...And Oceans, Musta Surma, Alghazanth, Azaghal, Warloghe, Behexen, Clandestine Blaze, Satanic Warmaster, Ride for Revenge, Goatmoon, IC Rex, Charnel Winds, Cosmic Church, Saturnian Mist, Rienaus, Abyssion...
This is not supposed to be a catalogue of every obscure project from Finland but deals with the subject from a larger framework, with interesting tidbits etc. It is a good read. English version is scheduled for early 2017.
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Quote from: yosef666 on September 25, 2016, 12:33:28 AM
Yes, excellent stuff indeed, I was just playing the Necropole LP for my girlfriend today in fact. The new Caverne album is fantastic, hopefully it gets the vinyl treatment as well.
Under preparation!
Necropole lp 1st press very last copies so I Recommend strongly to get it now. I have avoided "cross over" of bm and noise quite a lot, but now that due technical reasons NH and FA joined under same webstore, people should be very aware ton of bm stuff can be bought via "fa".
Necropole and Caverne stuff included and most recommended. I had pleasure to meet and withness their live strength in Lahti while ago. Absolute mandatory also if you ever have possibility to see live.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on September 25, 2016, 08:24:04 PMI had pleasure to meet and withness their live strength in Lahti while ago. Absolute mandatory also if you ever have possibility to see live.
Speaking of that, what a performance it was (judging by this vid): https://youtu.be/2tppwq_kQqM
Quote from: Salamanauhat on September 25, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
Just a heads-up for those not aware of this -
'Pirunkehto' - a well researched book (over 500 pages) about the evolution of Finnish black metal from late 80s to present day, written by Tero Ikäheimo, was recently released by Svart Records. Info on Beherit, Impaled Nazarene, Barathrum, Archgoat, Azazel, Diaboli, Darkwoods My Betrothed, Horna, Vornat, Thy Serpent, Wanderer, Urn, Black Dawn, ...And Oceans, Musta Surma, Alghazanth, Azaghal, Warloghe, Behexen, Clandestine Blaze, Satanic Warmaster, Ride for Revenge, Goatmoon, IC Rex, Charnel Winds, Cosmic Church, Saturnian Mist, Rienaus, Abyssion...
This is not supposed to be a catalogue of every obscure project from Finland but deals with the subject from a larger framework, with interesting tidbits etc. It is a good read. English version is scheduled for early 2017.
sounds interesting
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Give it a few years and there will be more worthless books then albums.
I do hope so.
nothing like historification to neuter a movement.
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:
http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html
HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.
Quote from: Leewar on September 27, 2016, 06:37:11 PM
Give it a few years and there will be more worthless books then albums.
This has been matter of discussion for a while. Couple friends mentioned that amount of documentaries and books on this subject starts to get very odd. Documentaries, I guess dozen at least? Books.. who knows. I know I have given some sort of replies to 4 books that I know being actually published.
I personally, don't need any more books explaining the roots, early days, Norwegian scene or such... but there are plenty of bands and topic to cover. Would it
need to be book? Why not zine? I guess simply that most of metal people don't buy zines anymore. Series of book based on interviews seems to be what guy behind Evolution of Cult is doing. First putting out book that deals with most of the obvious, and continues to dig deeper into obscure bands.
I can see the point, that some see books to mark the end of vital moment of BM or simply unnecessary. I see them way less harmful compared to countless other things. I rate best of them much more like zines - that is good thing. I'd rather see BM book than appear on pages on Metal Hammer, Terrorizer, Decibel, countless of gossip web portals and so on...
Quote from: THE RITA HN on October 03, 2016, 02:49:02 AM
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:
http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html
HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.
This makes perfect sense. Thanks for the article. I hadn't heard them until the Mortal Massacre collection CD. I quickly had to learn to approach it like a drone album.
Quote from: THE RITA HN on October 03, 2016, 02:49:02 AM
Respected HN colleague sent me a link to a somewhat related, interesting read on MORTICIAN:
http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.ca/2011/10/how-to-listen-to-mortician.html
HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY has always been a personal favourite, and it rules to see some of the aspects of why.
I mean yeah not BM at all, but if Abbath was from Yonkers I'm pretty sure he would be producing similar fare.
As far as the article, I learned two things. I had no idea Mortician was held in contempt? They are pretty well loved among people I know.
I also had no idea Aesop Dekker was well known outside of the Bay Area Metal/Punk scene.
Insofar as getting Death and Black Metal mixed up, Teitenblood sound pretty fucking great to me.
I thought Antaeus were done for but a new full-length will be released next month. I was told "It's totally fucking insane. It's like a wall of fists and knives with no relief at all."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDu2zjVnrJI
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on October 11, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
I thought Antaeus were done for but a new full-length will be released next month. I was told "It's totally fucking insane. It's like a wall of fists and knives with no relief at all."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDu2zjVnrJI
I pretty much worship Antaeus but I'm not in love with this preview track. Perhaps my feelings will change once I hear it in context with rest of the album. Still hard to imagine they're going to top the relentlessness of
Blood Libels. fingers crossed...
also new Deathspell Omega earlier in November gives something else to look forward to.
New Antaeus preview is kind of a let down, although I don't think as a band they'll ever be able to match CYFAWS ever again. Blood Libels was still pretty good, I just feel like this band was WAY better when they had an hint of the unhinged insanity of Nuclear Death and MkM's vocals used to be way more fierce...
Can't wait for the new DSO also.
Let's hope NED continues the pattern and there are more releases soon, specifically from Teitanblood. I would say hopefully from Katharsis too, but band is dead apparently.
I enjoy the new Antaeus. Not blowing my mind like the early stuff but certainly really good and way above average. At least these guys havent gone down the road that bands like arckanum have gone.
That's a bit odd to me because I never got into Arckanum but do quite like the more recent album.
Anyone else like this black-death, or whatever it's called? Black Witchery is probably a better known example (I suppose, it's all a bit new to me) but I quite like Perversor's "Demon Metal" album, and Black Devotion's "Ceremonial Rituals of Demonic Chaos".
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on October 12, 2016, 04:17:03 AMAnyone else like this black-death
I guess some would call this as such: http://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/death-endless-nothing-and-the-black-knife-of-nihilism
For me death metal is death metal and that album was the best death metal album of 2015. Just picked up the vinyl version from local recordshop sale for 11€. That's a steal for such a fierce album. All their albums are great btw, I worship that drum sound, especially the snare.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 12, 2016, 05:09:36 AM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on October 12, 2016, 04:17:03 AMAnyone else like this black-death
I guess some would call this as such: http://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/death-endless-nothing-and-the-black-knife-of-nihilism
For me death metal is death metal and that album was the best death metal album of 2015. Just picked up the vinyl version from local recordshop sale for 11€. That's a steal for such a fierce album. All their albums are great btw, I worship that drum sound, especially the snare.
Real solid band for sure.
However not new, I am obsessed with the Blazebirth Hall collective from Russia. Branikald, Forest, Raven Dark, Nitberg, and Vargleide are all so good. Top tier black metal. I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYDnWorfASU
Quote from: BlackHole on October 16, 2016, 09:43:28 AM
I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.
What I have been told, they don't care much for vinyl. There is one Branikald LP. (I got some of them still left.)
I'm under impression that guys don't have vinyl players. Tape was affordable format in russia. Then came CD's. LP was never really considered. In a way, this is attitude I appreciate. If you feel that in 2016, vinyl is just for rich western hipsters collectors, then sticking with CD's seems about right!
Of course, I'd grab any BBH stuff on vinyl, but at the same time feel like it isn't so necessary.
Velimor just played in Finland on Friday. Ulv Gegner Irminsson used to be member. Not huge crowd, but bands like Velimor or Leichenzug (ger) are such an marginal or marginal even in Finland. One could appreciate the utmost uncompromising approach of Velimor, even if in theory, there wasn't much to celebrate with their musical output. It's always refreshing to see guys about to burst out from their t-shirts as they have spend more time in physical exercise than learning to play music.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on October 16, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
Quote from: BlackHole on October 16, 2016, 09:43:28 AM
I really hope more of the Branikald material gets released on vinyl at some point.
What I have been told, they don't care much for vinyl. There is one Branikald LP. (I got some of them still left.)
I'm under impression that guys don't have vinyl players. Tape was affordable format in russia. Then came CD's. LP was never really considered. In a way, this is attitude I appreciate. If you feel that in 2016, vinyl is just for rich western hipsters collectors, then sticking with CD's seems about right!
Of course, I'd grab any BBH stuff on vinyl, but at the same time feel like it isn't so necessary.
Velimor just played in Finland on Friday. Ulv Gegner Irminsson used to be member. Not huge crowd, but bands like Velimor or Leichenzug (ger) are such an marginal or marginal even in Finland. One could appreciate the utmost uncompromising approach of Velimor, even if in theory, there wasn't much to celebrate with their musical output. It's always refreshing to see guys about to burst out from their t-shirts as they have spend more time in physical exercise than learning to play music.
I've heard the same thing about them. I'm not holding my breath for more BBH vinyl releases. I have that Branikald LP but I always wondered by they chose to release, in my opinion, the least good Branikald album on vinyl? Certainly "Stormheit", "To Kampf", "Rdyandalir", or "Blikk Av Kald" deserve the vinyl treatment.
At the end of the day I just don't like buying CD's. I will if it is not available on another format, but it is my last resort and my least favorite listening experience. Especially black metal.
Quote from: BlackHole on October 16, 2016, 09:43:28 AMHowever not new, I am obsessed with the Blazebirth Hall collective from Russia.
Hah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.
Weird, I've been on a BBH binge lately, mostly old Forest and Raven Dark.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 16, 2016, 10:37:58 PMHah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.
So that's what the word is, this release is a bootleg? Don't mean to feed the rumor mill, but I've heard various things regarding the guy behind the release....never the less I'm waiting for my copy to arrive anxiously, cannot wait to hear this. With the exception of Branikald and the self titled Forest dlp, Raven Dark and everything Ulv Gegner was involved with is the best Blazebirth Hall for me.
Quote from: Si Clark on October 17, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Lukas on October 17, 2016, 04:33:16 PM
Considering this is a forum for P.E/industrial and the likes it is impossible to not mention INTOLITARIAN in this thread.
No drums and this would be probably be classified as classic PE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PFZ7J8jQtE
First album and single were good but with the second album I just can't take the spoken word bits seriously.
Listen to the new live lp Final Agony records just put out and the new 7'' Suicidal Allegiance, no spoken word and easily the most insanely berzerk and militant material the project has put out yet. I've been playing both over and over at least.
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on October 19, 2016, 04:47:57 AM
Weird, I've been on a BBH binge lately, mostly old Forest and Raven Dark.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 16, 2016, 10:37:58 PMHah, been playing Forest CDs in the car for the whole weekend while waiting for that Wotan Sølv BOOTLEG to arrive.
So that's what the word is, this release is a bootleg? Don't mean to feed the rumor mill, but I've heard various things regarding the guy behind the release....never the less I'm waiting for my copy to arrive anxiously, cannot wait to hear this. With the exception of Branikald and the self titled Forest dlp, Raven Dark and everything Ulv Gegner was involved with is the best Blazebirth Hall for me.
I guess Kaldrad has been the lone man in charge of the BBH since when Ulv was killed and this one didn't get his blessing, therefore could be considered a bootleg.
Anyway, playing it now and it's certainly good old BBH stuff! You can clearly hear it's sourced from an old cassette, probably not even from a master and quality is kinda bad. It has that annoying tape stutter sound. Packaging is nice if you care about such bullshit...
Quote from: Fluid Fetish on October 19, 2016, 04:47:57 AM
Listen to the new live lp Final Agony records just put out and the new 7'' Suicidal Allegiance, no spoken word and easily the most insanely berzerk and militant material the project has put out yet. I've been playing both over and over at least.
Thanks, will check those out.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb
same shit.
just another decade
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 20, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb
>Norwegian
>Black metal
Lord no this bullcrap again.
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 20, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb
Retarded pics of some nevahööd bands. Not surprising this turd was made by Vice...
Pure Fucking Garbage
Back on track. Two 2016 winners:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UliGZDZ_ckQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dbUB6Xitc
Quote from: tiny_tove on October 20, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/photos-of-norwegian-black-metal-singers-by-magnum-photographer-jonas-bendiksen?utm_source=dmfb
Jesus christ, didn't read the full text, but sounds like a lot of garbage indeed! And the pictures look stupid. No atmosphere whatsoever, just a "study" of the faces during screaming/grunting/...
I avoided the text. it is vice.
Quote from: Asshole_Loser on October 21, 2016, 07:10:01 AM
Back on track. Two 2016 winners:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UliGZDZ_ckQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dbUB6Xitc
ive yet to receive the vetala/mons veneris 12" on mail but i have huge feeling thats THE black metal lp for me this year.
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw
I found this to be a very satisfying bit of work - https://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/pestilence-peril (https://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/pestilence-peril) - love that first song, "Sin Continuum", sounds like what Horned Almighty try to be.
Funny thing about Vice;
When I watch their cable channel there are occasional well done docs which seem to be well researched and fairly in depth.
However whenever I've read any article by Vice which touches upon any subculture of which I've got some knowledge, they invariably oversimplify, and usually go out of their way to highlight any piss, blood, drugs or titties they can unearth. Regardless of how representative that might be.
There is also that here in Brooklyn, Vice is pretty much universally reviled. Doesn't help that most people that write for them are pompous cokeheads.
This is a news agency that wants extreme metal to be unoffensive. All that needs to be stated about them.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 21, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw
Ok, I take that back... CdG
might release new album this year: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cultes_des_Ghoules/Coven/612252
Seems like the new CdG album starts shipping tomorrow...
http://www.shadowkingdomrecords.com/item.asp?PID=30927
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on October 23, 2016, 04:38:31 AM
This is a news agency that wants extreme metal to be unoffensive. All that needs to be stated about them.
Well said. [2]
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 23, 2016, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 21, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
This is the black metal album of 2016 for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4h4PTjldpw
Ok, I take that back... CdG might release new album this year: http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cultes_des_Ghoules/Coven/612252
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on October 30, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
Seems like the new CdG album starts shipping tomorrow...
http://www.shadowkingdomrecords.com/item.asp?PID=30927
Well fuck... https://youtu.be/zTGw5xbhvyI
Artwork also revealed... If it really looks like that, it's fucking awful. Didn't like the track that much either.
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Yep, that's the artwork:
(http://e2.otwarte24.pl/otw277/916c508d002a898e5815e1e6)(http://e3.otwarte24.pl/otw7/b12cb98d001de76f5815e1ec)(http://e2.otwarte24.pl/otw353/c842c8320003e39a5815e1f1)
Funny that they released it just in time for Halloween. Spooky.
Peste Noire live!!!
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Another sample track from the new CdG album: https://youtu.be/VrPbMnQn70A
Didn't like that one either which is crazy because I think their discography has been flawless so far and Marek is one of my favorite black metal vocalists.
Whining aside, speaking of flawless discographies, luckily this new DsO EP (yes EP, not album ffs!) didn't disappoint:
https://deathspellomega.bandcamp.com/album/the-synarchy-of-molten-bones
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on November 02, 2016, 01:52:32 AM
Whining aside, speaking of flawless discographies, luckily this new DsO EP (yes EP, not album ffs!) didn't disappoint:
According to Noevdia, it is
new album. I would assume label who put it out, knows what it is?
I'd be glad to see more metal bands return to c. 30 minute albums, than 2xLP / 3xLP sets. Gorgoroth all, Immortal battles in the north, Impaled Nazarene Tol Cormpt..., Suomi Finland Perkele, Beherit Oath of black blood, Trelldom Til Evighet, etx .... A lot of good albums are +-30 minutes. If you got more than LP worth of stuff, it better be good. Vast majority of modern bm double LP's could be trimmed to classic album length to make them better. Same for most types of metal. When CD started to dominate market, still many albums followed classic album length. Not sure when did the change happen, but nowadays you got so much of stuff what seems to be merely space filler. If metal band offers double LP, I can pretty much conclude it's going to be half filler. Be it big names like Autopsy or Iron Maiden, or some raw BM. Almost as if band is unable to decide what it is they want to release, so end up putting everything. It's too bad very few would be ready to make "Battles In The North" type of 27 minute album. They'd rather throw in few shitty songs or gloomy intros filling it to.. color vinyl double LP with poster, sticker and t-shirt bundle?
Massive new opus.
I heard some stuff of Cultes Des Ghoules almost year ago when visiting Poland. It sounded good back then, but triple LP still makes me highly dubious whether it's album that will be
listened a lot.
Been revisiting a lot of BEHEXEN stuff lately. Especially early albums, most notably By The Blessings Of Satan. When it came out, I was not instantly big fan. It took some time to get into it. In beginning thought vocals were little too high pitched and sound was too clean, but then got into it. Now, when you compare it to with vast majority of stuff, it is superior in pretty much any category. Killer riffs, tasty variation of melody and brutality. Sound that is neither overtly clean, nor rubbish. Playing what is full of energy and naturally bordering chaos. Especially drumming. Cover artwork is simple and to the point. It has zero qualities that flirt towards the hipster & arty. No boutique label offering of something
scathing and
blistering. Nothing what seems like pulled out from roadburns festival exclusive merch desk. Just total hammer of true black metal.
Technically, an album is just a collection of things. So any length can be said to be acceptable. Still, I can understand why some would regard the new DO release as an ep, timewise. EDIT - I read on metal-archives.com that Katharsis's "Fourth Reich" release, also on Norma Evangelium Diaboli and longer than the new Deathspell Omega, is cited as an ep. And that website, too, cites "The Synarchy of Molten Bones" as an ep. There doesn't seem to be any consensus.
Behexen fucking rule. I've unkultishly got an mp3 download of "From The Devil's Chalice", which is the first I heard of them, and it just burned itself in my mind from the first note. Fantastic shit. Musically they take the best of early BM, some kind of balance between both dark melody and pure hate-filled filth, and refine it into something that sounds immediate and effortless.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on November 02, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
Technically, an album is just a collection of things. So any length can be said to be acceptable. Still, I can understand why some would regard the new DO release as an ep, timewise. EDIT - I read on metal-archives.com that Katharsis's "Fourth Reich" release, also on Norma Evangelium Diaboli and longer than the new Deathspell Omega, is cited as an ep. And that website, too, cites "The Synarchy of Molten Bones" as an ep. There doesn't seem to be any consensus.
And there's also "Kénôse" which is a 36min EP (according to band as well?) so that's why I referred to the new "album" as EP. I agree with Mikko's point however, a lot of filler on most of the longer albums. For me, the perfect
album length is 40-45mins and I simply can't regard 30 min of material as album. But I do respect the band's wish so I was merely just being a dick with my comment and I must say the release is quite perfect as it is. Paracletus as 42min album is still my favorite, not just length-wise but also the material is fantastic.
This here band called Caveman Cult strikes me as mildly interesting but I can't decide to order the LP or not:
https://cavemancult.bandcamp.com/track/ceremonial-disembowelment
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on November 02, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
This here band called Caveman Cult strikes me as mildly interesting but I can't decide to order the LP or not:
https://cavemancult.bandcamp.com/track/ceremonial-disembowelment
You MUST order it! All their material is great.
dunno if its only me but to me the new cdg album tracks on youtube sound flatter and more one dimensional than the amazing henbane lp. that fucker had some real grit to it but this one just, it doesnt sound right for this kind of material. The instrumetns sound flat and the vocals float on top of everything and its just, kind of, what the fuck why. Plus the artwork is fucking attrocious.
I guess the maxim of sloth still holds true: 'Most of the bands I like either broke up or now suck'
Quote from: F_c_O on November 03, 2016, 01:27:07 AM
dunno if its only me but to me the new cdg album tracks on youtube sound flatter and more one dimensional than the amazing henbane lp. that fucker had some real grit to it but this one just, it doesnt sound right for this kind of material. The instrumetns sound flat and the vocals float on top of everything and its just, kind of, what the fuck why. Plus the artwork is fucking attrocious.
I guess the maxim of sloth still holds true: 'Most of the bands I like either broke up or now suck'
It's not just you, the preview tracks I've listened to are pretty boring, especially compared to the atmosphere of Haxan or their two master works Spectres Over Transylvania and Henbane. The sound being flat nails it....some of the riffs and the bass playing are good but everything else just sounds like them going through the motions....everyone is already worshiping this stuff and I couldn't help but wonder, what am I missing? I'm going to wait to listen to the entire thing to decide but I'm not getting anything out of the music or the cover art, which looks like the cover of a child story book.
Agreed on the praise for old Behexen, By the Blessing is definitely them at their peak. I also loved Nightside Emanations though whereas a lot of others did not, I loved some of the riffs on there and it at times reminded me of By the Blessing, just more epic rather then frantic and chaotic like Blessing. Tracks on From the Devil's Chalice and the Horna split are their other most played material for me.
I agree with almost everything Mikko said. I prefer black metal to be around 35 - 45 minutes long albums. No filler and unnecessary intro/outros. I know from knowing personally people in bands that release these double LP "opuses" that they spend about as much time writing these intros as they are long. They have no meaning or purpose on the album other than to simply be there. In the case of DsO however, their intros and interludes are always purposeful and add depth and dimension to the album as as whole. Especially on "Paracletus" and "Si Monumentum". This new album/EP what ever you wish to call it fantastic, but I do agree is a LITTLE bit short to be a full length.
I am also skeptical about this new Cultes Des Ghoules album. I absolutely loved "Haxan" and "Henbane" both but I anticipate this album to be a lot of monotonous, boring, "doom" riffs. However I think appreciating it in it's proper context will be mandatory to appreciate it fully. The concept of the album is obviously one of the focal points. So reading along with the lyrics and soaking in the imagery is probably how the band intended it to be experienced.
I'm also on the single lp wagon. But what irritates me most are not double albums that are made that length but rather albums that are done for cd and released on 3-4 sided 12" with zero idea how the songs work on each side of vinyl. It is an album, not collection of randomly selected songs - though I believe there are lots of classics that are put together more or less hastly, without lots of attention paid into order of songs etc.
70 minutes album may be good double vinyl. Probably not, but if the material works, the record works. 55 minutes album on 3-4 sides of vinyl is most often simply irritating, despite everything basicly being fine otherwise.
I think the new CdG is pretty uninteresting. Sounds like "Henbane", which I wasn't big on either. "Häxän" still stands as their best work to me. Not to mention the ridiculous hype surrounding this album, touting it as a masterpiece when there's nothing but a couple of tracks on jewtube and the limp-dick cover art.
Regarding Behexen, I think their best material is "From the Devil's Chalice" and the Horna split. Really mournful yet sinister riffing there, especially songs like "Void".
We got the old CdG back! https://youtu.be/_eL_roSSe_Q
Skip the part between 3:10-9:10 to avoid mundane "rock" riffing. The good stuff starts after that. When the synths kick in at 13:20, it's as epic as the best parts on "Henbane". Sadly at 18:10 it goes back to shit.
Now this: https://youtu.be/ubUbkz7If4Y
Quote from: ritualabuser on November 04, 2016, 01:10:15 AM
Regarding Behexen, I think their best material is "From the Devil's Chalice" and the Horna split. Really mournful yet sinister riffing there, especially songs like "Void".
Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan". I managed to grab pile of original misprint of the CD version for sale. In very first pressing, all music is there, but trackorder was incorrect (just 4 tracks). Now when long sold out limited cd pressing is being asked from 30 euro upwards, I'd guess this CD would interest people despite one track being in wrong place. Most of the pressing was pulled back and replaced, but bands had copies of misprint which they were allowed to sell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxZvmc5-tTo
https://sacramence.bandcamp.com/album/sacramence-earth-mesmerism-split
Sacramence is an example of a BM act that utilizes both electronic and acoustic drumming. This split has strange artwork, but both sides are great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFVlOKY5Hs
I am not well-versed with BM, but I have enjoyed it for years and am gradually collecting, among the other things I buy, so I don't know the essentials from the nobodies, which is kind of nice in this age.
But I have enjoyed GRAVEN immensely. I guess they have been around for a while.
THROANE, masterpiece of 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUen9iV_vrY
Can`t find it from Deathspell Omega.
New one is little listenable than Kénôse that i give another spin last week but i surely missing something from this band since i get bored before any song is over.. rather listen Blackdeath.
Archgoat is another band i want to like but don`t listen.. there is all elements i usually enjoy but still can not find that flame from it.
Jesus spawn & Angelcunt are still the best things archgoat has ever released.
"Evil Shall Prevail" must be one of the best black metal releases this year. It compiles "Hellstorm of Evil Vengeance" demo and "Summoning of Infernal Legions" 7" EP from Black Witchery and "Evil Shall Prevail" and "Demo 97" (originally titled "Death to Trends") from pre-Black Witchery band known as Witchery. Side D has Sarcofago cover track "The Black Vomit" and alternate takes from the "Hellstorm Of Evil Vengeance" sessions.
I was never a Black Witchery fan. Their albums are just the kind of "black" metal I hate. Is it called bestial black metal or something? In addition to couple random album tracks, I had only heard "Summoning of Infernal Legions" 7" EP which I think is one of the best black metal EPs so when I started playing the compilation, I had no idea what to expect from the demo material. Turns out they are somewhat in the vein of the EP but maybe a bit more straight forward. The riffing is brilliant, drums are just rough enough and vocals are very crisp too.
I have a strong feeling that Blodfest were quite inspired by Black Witchery's demo material and as a total worshiper of Blodfest's discography, it doesn't come as a surprise that I enjoyed this compilation a lot.
Give it a listen: https://nuclearwarnowproductions.bandcamp.com/album/evil-shall-prevail
If there's a one track I'd especially recommend, that must be the track 11 which is the EP version of "Destruction of the Holy Kingdom".
EDIT: However, what pisses me off about this particular release is that only the deluxe edition includes a 28-page booklet which I think is very important piece of such historic release. Printing xerox zine type booklets and including them to all the copies shouldn't be an impossible task and I don't think that would've increased the price much at all. As someone who couldn't care less about deluxe editions etc, it annoys me that both regular editions (black and colored) only include some useless poster I may as well wipe my ass with.
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.
This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".
https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland
Quote from: BlackHole on November 25, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.
This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".
https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland
Just came across this the other day, real good.
Quote from: BlackHole on November 25, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
BRULVAHNATU is a really outstanding and strange one man project of Kib Sreng (Antediluvian, A.M.S.G, etc). Truly exceptional stuff. I'm surprised this is not a more well known and respected project.
This track in particular is amazing. That saxaphone is so cool. And it actually fits and compliments the music. It doesn't just sound like he put saxaphone in the track just for the sake of doing it to be "weird" or "experimental".
https://brulvahnatu.bandcamp.com/track/the-gland
I just picked up MSC the other night and was blown away by it! Truly some unique and bizarre Black Metal. I didn't know what to expect based on the cover art and was definitely pleased with what I've heard...
Been listening to Nyogthaeblisz- Apex Satanist CD over and over and over since I got it, I play Progenitors at least weekly so I've been waiting for this to say the least and it does not disappoint. The words savage, noisey and chaotic are used a lot these days but this band is on a whole other level for me...the entire compilation from start to finish sounds like something trying to enter temporal reality that shouldn't or couldn't exist. In other words, amazing, the exact kind of metal I like.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 04, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan".
One of my favorite tracks from them as well. Perfect.
I've been pretty obsessed with Countess's "Shining Swords of Hate" album lately, minus the short songs. It's a very strange album. Some of the most minimal BM I've heard, in fact some of the most minimal rock I've heard. Very effected sounds on the instruments move it further from aggressive towards atmospheric, but it doesn't go either all emo-pretending-to-be-BM Depressive Black Metal, or "hail the heroic North!" volkish bullshit either. Ultimately it's virtually outsider music all up, just within the BM scene. Interesting that they use drum machine because there is a very improvised feel to much of this, like fucked up krautrock.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on December 06, 2016, 02:13:16 AM
I've been pretty obsessed with Countess's "Shining Swords of Hate" album lately, minus the short songs. It's a very strange album. Some of the most minimal BM I've heard, in fact some of the most minimal rock I've heard. Very effected sounds on the instruments move it further from aggressive towards atmospheric, but it doesn't go either all emo-pretending-to-be-BM Depressive Black Metal, or "hail the heroic North!" volkish bullshit either. Ultimately it's virtually outsider music all up, just within the BM scene. Interesting that they use drum machine because there is a very improvised feel to much of this, like fucked up krautrock.
Amazing and indeed a strange album! Probably my favorite Countess...if I remember accurately I think Orlok actually mentioned in an interview that the album IS entirely improvised and that's also why the sound on the recording is so weird. There's something so bizarre and unique and atmospheric about the recording. Never heard anyone compare it to kraut rock though which I can kind of see now..
Quote from: Staalwaart on November 28, 2016, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 04, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Horna split is really good. Also split with Satanic Warmaster includes absolutely essential Behexen track "Mouth of Leviathan".
One of my favorite tracks from them as well. Perfect.
It reminds me of Ancient "Trumps of an Archangel". Groovy melodic.
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.
http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3
Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis" is a killer track!
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on December 10, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.
http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3
Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis" is a killer track!
As is Purging Tongues and their latest album "Death". Filthy and rotten like a decomposed corpse.
Excited about this new release.
In my opinion Teitanblood is currently the best active death/black metal band easily, therefore I absolutely cannot fucking wait to hear this new song. SD is one of the best Teitanblood songs ever written, I can't wait to hear it on vinyl..
Ordered the new Teitanblood EP without hesitation. I agree about Sanctified Dysecdysis being one of their best tracks and was hoping it would get put on wax eventually. I'm willing to bet the new track will be great as well. Also surprised no one has commented on the cover art yet. I love that cover. Looks very Lovecraftian.
Here is a new Teitanblood interview & the new release can be listened to on their Bandcamp (listening to it right now). My copy of the 12" is on its way from Ajna.
http://www.bardomethodology.com/articles/2016/12/13/teitanblood-interview/
New Teitanblood and Dead Congregation eps are most welcome. Both are absolutely top tier bands and putting out some of the exciting metal today. That interview was very bizarre....
After a single listen, the new Dead Congregation was a bit of a let down. I listened to it and the new Funebrarum, and I think I'd go with the latter. DC didn't instantly hit me like they usually do.
Received the new Teitanblood LP from AJNA today. Fucking excellent as expected. The new track is great.
Peste Noire live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YzT7QGuSWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eeMIewJRL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsoakxBaQfQ
In other recent developments:
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Quote from: Zeno Marx on December 15, 2016, 01:23:12 AM
After a single listen, the new Dead Congregation was a bit of a let down. I listened to it and the new Funebrarum, and I think I'd go with the latter. DC didn't instantly hit me like they usually do.
It reminds me of the intro of the first LP. I kept waiting for some fucker to start chanting in Latin.
Has Carl-Michael Eide (Ved Beunds Ende, Virus) ever mentioned Die Kreuzen's October File in an interview? A top-100 album for me. I thought the first Virus album was a derivative of Voi Vod, at least in part, but because of the effortless fluidity and rich tones of the other albums, it had me thinking about October File, which also sounds like Voi Vod. I've never been sure if that was by design or coincidence. Maybe Eide was pulling more from Die Kreuzen than Voi Vod? Maybe neither, but I feel they all share some of the same terrain. The new Virus album is quite good.
New Sanguine Eagle track is killer. Off their upcoming split with Oppression (Can).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3jzmtAKzc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3jzmtAKzc)
Circle Of Ouroborus(or rather, Klemi and some guy helping out on guitar) live in Moscow last summer.
Even with an incomplete lineup, much of the power is preserved...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1w5i0PfEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgtB6PwHVBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMceX_JtY70
More footage of live Peste Noire.
Famine's assembled a tight unit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIv9qXdvv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBhHJRx1I9U
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!
http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on February 03, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!
http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/
Great! One of the best albums.
Niden 187 - Impergium
Paysage D'Hiver for similar sound and atmosphere. Blodfest for similar drumming.
Recently I've really been enjoying:
-Bekëth Nexëhmü - anything and everything I can get my hands on.
-Caverne - "Aux Frontieres Du Monde"
-Deathspell Omega - specifically "Fas..." and "Synarchy..."
-Warloghe "Lucifer Ascends"
-Naðra "Allir vegir til glötunar"
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 03, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?
Antaeus - Cut Your Flesh And Worship Satan
and
Revenge - Behold.Total.Rejection
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 03, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6qheSgV3E
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 03, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?
Knelt Rote - Trespass LP on NWN Prod. Trust me this is an LP that mixes black metal, grindcore & harsh noise into a perfect blend of what you're looking for. I've not listened to any Urfaust so I can't comment on the similarities but from your description you need this LP.
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 05, 2017, 08:29:21 PMthese had similar lo/no-fi qualities that I liked and imagined black metal would
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRWDc0FGrg
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 05, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).
Nyogthaeblisz - Apex Satanist
https://youtu.be/GuFEfKYtpy4
Really have been enjoying the ELEMENTAL tape "When Death Comes Everything Moves". Great stuff.
Quote from: pontifx on February 03, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on February 03, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
S.V.E.S.T. "Urfaust" finally reissued!
http://www.noevdia.com/shop/lp-dlp-gatefold/lp-simple/s-v-e-s-t-urfaust-lp/
Great! One of the best albums.
Received it yesterday and fucking hell, it's great indeed! Didn't hear this one before as I only had Coagula and Veritas Diaboli...
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 05, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8
Quote from: urall on February 11, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 05, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
I've generally found that the murkier or more live-sounding the recording quality is, the more likely I'll overall appreciate it (a shitty tape sound or tinny microphone almost become another instrument within the mix and adds to that "chaotic" feel I like).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8
Oh fucking yes!!!
Quote from: urall on February 11, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdPVWl-FE8
That rules.
Not sure if sortilegia has been mentioned
https://youtu.be/NSU5P064ajA
Quote from: F_c_O on February 12, 2017, 02:24:35 PM
Not sure if sortilegia has been mentioned
https://youtu.be/NSU5P064ajA
They are excellent!
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on December 11, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on December 10, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
Teitanblood will have a new 12" out in a few days. The Ajna Offensive is currently taking pre-orders.
http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/collections/vinyl/products/teitanblood-3
Looking forward to this. "Sanctified Dysecdysis" is a killer track!
As is Purging Tongues and their latest album "Death". Filthy and rotten like a decomposed corpse.
Excited about this new release.
Have had this for a while but no time to check until today. Actually didn't realize it also includes the "Sanctified Dysecdysis" track, previously only available on "Woven Black Arteries" CD comp. I was hoping to get this track on vinyl and was actually expecting vinyl version of that compilation but this is way better cause there's no need for "Purging Tongues" to be on vinyl again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHLDyQx8rsE
I guess that technically this would be death metal and not black metal but Ill disregard that, mainly because 1) this is fucking awesome 2) theres no other topic even remotely relevant to post this into. Plus thematically it fits to black metal with its occultism and satanism. Either way, everyone into black metal or death metal or whatever should check it out. The promises of the first LP has certainly been kept and serpent has ascended even higher.
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on March 01, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM
Heading back to the glory of Astrofaes on this. Nice surprise for me now too!!
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on March 01, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
I worship Drudkh, both new and old so this was a welcome surprise http://youtu.be/yFUZuVuPjHM
drudkh and hate forest, so important.sound wise and aesthetically overall. as to importance
some of my most listened to supernal releases.
on a Rhinocervs binge right - revisiting their stuff as RH-07 just came out on vinyl!
Goddamn the new clandestine blaze is amazing. The best thing since fist of the northern destroyer. It is real rarity that black metal lp this good is released these days and thats truly a damn shame.
Been listening to Crowned Seraph a lot! Noisy Black Metal with a great disturbing feeling. The most evil stuff I came across lately.
anti-god knobbler-st.
this self titled release of gay Satanists is a total surprise to those expectant the traditional bm release.
hate forest guitars with immortal sounding rhythm section and almost death metal vocals
re-imaging the usual aesthetics to encompass the life of a gay Satanist, this lp confounds expectations at many levels.
If you guys dig Black Metal with harsh noise/ambient influences, I released this band's tape sometime back (sold out)
https://soundcloud.com/cyclopean-eye-productions/jyotisavedanga-black-brane-meta
Grand Belial's Key Live 6/10/2001 New York City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBMFF6yA1M
A fine set...
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 03, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?
http://youtu.be/QAQUSCDYJVY ???
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on July 10, 2017, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: theotherjohn on February 03, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
I'm almost completely clueless about black metal, but that Urfaust album from listening to it on YouTube sounds EXACTLY like what I'd want from the genre - a sort of blackened grindcore sound that never really lets up, especially from around 12 minutes into that first track when it speeds up and you don't quite know if you're hearing blast beats, guitar fuzz or looping harsh noise. Any similar BM album recommendations for moments of sheer chaos or relentlessness?
http://youtu.be/QAQUSCDYJVY ???
antaeus, drastus, gonkulator, archgoat, blasphemy, conqueror and so forth.
Epic split with two of my favorite bands, Drudkh and Paysage D'Hiver. Fantastic track by Drudkh: https://youtu.be/PYT-Fugbv0U (and I just know PDH is gonna kill it)
Sadly the artwork sucks...
rotten murk and totally broken down lo fi darkness from MY favourite BM band. Bone Awl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuQo0OS5A0&t=223s
Quote from: theotherjohn on July 11, 2017, 01:36:41 AM
Picked up Bathory's The Return... Well, I've finally heard it all now. Incredible album, obviously.
It is fucking
superb. I was listening to it just recently, after years. Got it when it was first issued. Totally transformed how I listened to Metal and music. It still stands today as a standard for others.
this one has been getting consistent listens from me. love the vocal style.
https://youtu.be/a59yiw2jzgU (https://youtu.be/a59yiw2jzgU)
I've been in an somehow 'escapist mood' for the last couple days and was listening to lots of SUMMONING.
Old Mornings Dawn will end this weekend. Monumental!
As for "recent" releases, I recommend MJÖLNIR - Magnet Vektor. That album is totally insane (and exhausting in a good way), Industrial Wagnerian BM madness. You really need a coffee break in between, just like if you're watching Terry Gilliams' "Brazil" for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmpriy9o44
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.
Local lads TOMB MOLD have really hit a great thing with their LP too. Very much rooted in the early Finnish death metal scene, I hear great original riffs but lots of Convulse, Purtenance etc....
If you like that "drums recorded in pro studio, guitars recorded in our basements" tech-prog-death stuff I'm pretty into Decrepit Birth's new DLP. I could have done without a goddamned full side of an LP devoted to covers (who needs to hear a cover of "Orion" in 2017) but it's pretty solid. I think trimming it back to 40 minutes for a solid LP would have been a better choice but hey, I'm just yammering out my ass on a noise forum....
That Oksennus LP is fuckin' bananas too. Y'all should hear that salty motherfucker, I hear NWN just signed them.....
What do you guys think about bands that mix PE/Noise with Black Metal?
I personally really dislike it.
I liked some of what Vichy did.
I liked that WOLD record with the spooky owl on it.....
Quote from: holy ghost on September 04, 2017, 01:03:32 AM
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.
Don't think it's anything special. Just the usual overplayed Blaspheritofago stuff NWN is now releasing since years. This label is stuck in a dead end, without their re-releases of classic stuff they would be nothing, their own discoveries like Expander or Cauchemar are fucking AIDS to any normal ear. Of course there's still the heavyweights like Revenge or Goatpenis, but these are not "NWN bands" since they were successful years before on other Labels already without any help from that Vegan chink.
Quote from: Rhan-Tegoth on September 05, 2017, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: holy ghost on September 04, 2017, 01:03:32 AM
That PERVERTED CEREMONY LP on NWN is hitting all the right notes. Raw but not too raw, variations in the songs, capes, candles, fog, lots of Beherit worship... fuckin' choice stuff. Probably one of the only "black metal" LPs I've really dug this year.
Don't think it's anything special. Just the usual overplayed Blaspheritofago stuff NWN is now releasing since years. This label is stuck in a dead end, without their re-releases of classic stuff they would be nothing, their own discoveries like Expander or Cauchemar are fucking AIDS to any normal ear. Of course there's still the heavyweights like Revenge or Goatpenis, but these are not "NWN bands" since they were successful years before on other Labels already without any help from that Vegan chink.
Agreed it's not new, but i'm still into it.
Really looking forward to the new Knelt Rote which is supposed to come out this year still.
Not familiar with most NWN! releases but from "new" bands, Antediluvian, Chaos Echœs, Dead Congregation, Grave Upheaval and Irkallian Oracle are very good. Proclamation is more on the "Blaspheritofago" side but I think it's a solid band. When it comes to black metal, Necromantic Worship is very good Greek worship band. And those Goatlord reissues were essential along with compilations from Black Witchery and Ysengrin. Plus they just signed Oksennus which is one of the more interesting current death metal bands. Not a fan of the label, but far from a hater. The "Vegan chink" does good work (even if I don't give a shit about die-hard editions).
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 05, 2017, 11:52:20 PM
(even if I don't give a shit about die-hard editions).
I like a lot of the bands on the roster, but I have no raving praise, nor anything bad to say other than I can't stand these fucking picture disc trophies. Otherwise I think NWN is doing good work and it's important to have labels like it.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on September 05, 2017, 11:52:20 PM
Not familiar with most NWN! releases but from "new" bands, Antediluvian, Chaos Echœs, Dead Congregation, Grave Upheaval and Irkallian Oracle are very good.
These bands are all Death Metal to my ears and not really interesting for me. Too much Incantation worship nowadays, but to each his own.
This is almost fucking perfect, been listening obsessively -
https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv (https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv)
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 08, 2017, 03:45:00 PM
This is almost fucking perfect, been listening obsessively -
https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv (https://paysagedhiver.bandcamp.com/track/schnee-iv)
PdH is definitively one of the best BM projects of the ongoing millennium (and I am not just saying this because Wintherr is a compatriot) I recommend you the same-titled demo if you don't know it already. It can get a bit redundant with the whole discography, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lBCPM95YYg
I think BRANIKALD from Russia is one of the few bands that have a similar hypnotic atmosphere. No surprise since I know from fanzines that both bands were in contact in the late 90ies, not sure who influenced whom though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDAoE-Nr-M
Having dwelt on this subject for quite some time I'll contribute to this topic by speculating the best black metal releases (Imo) with regards to sub genres of bm so any outsider can find the type they like. I'll limit each artist to one spot per subgenre
Starting with the source
1st wave bm
Sarcófago - INRI
Bathory - The return
Mayhem - Deathcrush
Flames of Hell - Fire and Steel
Venom - Welcome to Hell
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic rites
Mercyful Fate- Don't Brake the oath
2nd wave
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Mayhem - De mysteriis dom sathanas
Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
Mutiilation - Remains of a ruined cursed dead soul
Katharsis - Krucifixxion
Vlad tepes/Belketré - March to the Black Holocaust
Gorgoroth - Under the sign of Hell
Beherit - Drawing down the moon
Inquisition - Into the infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult
Veles - Night at the bare mountain
Moonblood - Taste our German Steel
Depressive suicidal bm
Silencer - Death Pierce me
Shining - Within deep dark chambers
Bethlehem - S.U.I.Z.I.D.E.
Bestial Black Metal
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom
Beherit - The Oath of Black Blood
Archgoat - Angelcunt/Whore of Bethlehem
Proclamation - Messiah of Darkness and Impurity
Revenge - Scum.Collapse.Eradication
Conqueror - War.Cult.Supremacy
Black Witchery - Desecrating the Holy Kingdom
3rd wave of BM
Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum requires Circumspice
Funeral Mist - Salvation
Svartidauði - Flesh Cathedral
Blut aus Nord - The Work which Transforms God
Arizmenda - Stillbirth at the temple of Venus
Rhinocervs - RH-7
Sinmara - Aphotic Womb
Urfaust - Geist ist Tauft
Noise filled black metal
Nyogthaebliz - Progenitors of Mankinds Tribulation
Tsalal - S/T
Tetragrammacide - Typhonic Wormholes...
Total Genocide - SatanVomitChaos
Feitu/Óraculum split
Enbilulugugal - Goatserpents for Noizemongers
Vraeck - Vergraeck Lehuien Gevlaekt
Obskuritatem - (not really noise filtered but flirts with it)
Well I'm writing this from memory so there may be typos or misphrased albums let alone the volume of albums this list is missing but this at least gives overview over the most impressive albums of each style.
It is extremely hard to make comprehensive lists of what would be good.
And also, what are the actual merit of each release.
Of course if qualification is simply "IMO" = In my opinion, then it is easier.
I'm not sure how 2nd wave and 3rd wave should be separated? It would be foolish to separate them because of sound or style?
If thinking 1st wave as originators who were hardly ever called BM back then by build foundation. 2nd wave as material what was usually actually at least sometimes called black metal and establishing clearly different form. Happening roughly in turn of 80/90's, perhaps bands like Katharsis, Moonblood etc already belong to "3rd wave" and entered already existing genre. They are already among bands who are the effect caused by existence of "2nd wave". Those who were active in time, can confirm the vast difference of bands starting in late 80's to '92, compared to those who started '93, 94, 95... For people who observe in now, it seems very much "the same" and belong to same timeframe, but most older guys I talk to, conclude differently.
Perhaps it is personal taste most of all.
List is good, yet I'd like to include many utterly important 2nd wave BM that sounds very different from mentioned ones: Profanatica, Impalez Nazarene, Necromantia, Rotting Christ, Samael, Master's Hammer. Pick up first 1-3 albums of each and they belong to undisputed classics.
Releases like "Taste Our German Steel", gained it's infamy mostly by being ltd 100 copies LP. Not by merit of being anywhere near the best of Moonblood releases. From "suicidal" sound, one could not forget bands like: Strid. Or from "noisy" bm, ILDJARN. Setting standards long before there was "subgenre" for material like that. Listening both bands now, it's quite odd that band like Strid is so old with such material. Being released same year as Det Som Engan Var and Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, but years before Filosofem. And like decade before popularization of "depressive suicidal bm".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwa-3THi90c
Of course this is purely personal choice. It seems obvious that place where one lives and era when he started to listen material, has big impact on anyone's favorites. You know, ask a Swede about this, and they'd be probably curious why only couple Swedish bands mentioned despite country's huge input for BM. I never been fan of "usual" swedish stuff. What I rather find different from my own taste, is lack of bands from Poland. Mighty Veles, obviously is there, but one could make pretty much equally big list from Polish bands alone. Of course it doesn't make sense to "list everything that exists" as it soon makes existence of list pointless.
I agree completely to everything you said. I am ofc speaking only from heart with respect to how I have observed the scene and what I find important for newcomers to the genre(notwithstanding that there are numerous other important records to supplement this list, f.e. the mighty contract from RC etc). the concept of a 3rd wave is entirely debatable and not something which has been concretely formed.
Anyway, felt like keeping the list short and sweet for newcomers and open for supplementation. I'm certainly no authority on this matter rather then anyone else but I hope this becomes useful for those interested in the genre.
Btw, while much of this has been personal preferentials, I'll agree that Strid is probably the best dsbm out there, just didn't think of it while writing this list. You can actually hear bands like Nargaroth completely aping Strid riffs and getting away with it because way too few know about the band.
I found noise music by listening to Black Metal in the early nineties. Going to different recordstores to find the most vile music possible, suddenly they had some Cold Meat stuff hidden behind bargain bin Ildjarn cds. Those were not so popular back then. Have no hate for NWN, i think he releases shitloads of good records. And still answers emails from regular customers. If i should recommend some new Black Metal i would say Ultra Silvam from Sweden, and The third eye Rapists. Raging and hateful music.
I quite agree with Mikko when it comes to lists like that.
I basically stopped discussing black metal with pretty much everyone besides a very few selected friends because while I wouldn't say jumping into a more mainstream scale "perverted" black metal, I think the interest it got outside of the metal scene when the bubble burst in the late 90's, early 00's and especially when the Internet and peer-to-peer exploded (things got even worse after people heard about "Lords Of Chaos" and held it for absolute truth) turned everyone into a black metal specialist. Lists are ok. I love them. What infuriates me though, is lack of context in most of what I read nowadays. I was still a teen back then, but I remember context. I remember which bands were on metal magazines' covers in the second half of the 90's (in Europe at least), but people forget them, or never mention them for some odd reasons. I'm not particularly fan of most of them but I never see Marduk, Dimmu Borgir or Cradle Of Filth ever get mentioned in current lists of influencial bands. Their tshirt sales probably outsold any BM bands' ever besides Burzum's, Mayhem's or Darkthrone's for obvious reasons though (anyone remembers the infamous "Fuck Me Jesus" or"Jesus Was A Cunt" tshirts?) I feel like the influencial bands should be the ones on Osmose, Season Of Mist or even Nuclear Blast for instance, because they got huge distribution and more people heard them. Where are all the "Battles In The North" (first proper brutal black metal album I believe?), "In The Nightside Eclipse" or "Dusk And Her Embrace" (which popularised the use of synths in BM from the second wave onwards?), "Hammerheart" (birth of viking metal?) or mentions of Thorns' recordings? (who modern Mayhem and modern black metal in general owe a lot to.) Aren't these important facts in the evolution of the genre?
So when I read that Proclamation or Goatpenis are influencial, I'm always like "wtf." They're influencial for people on the NWN forum, which feels like the biggest, most scoured metal forum in the world to me right now. But while a bunch of people came on it becausd they loved metal, I think a bunch of the people on it registered because they found an interest in record collecting (but it could have been toys or stamps instead in the first place) and they swallow almost every NWN release without questionning anything. Yosuke does a great job at what he does but his reissue of Citizen's Arrest LP was probably the most important one context-wise since he reissued "INRI" yet it flew over most of his regular customers' heads because it didn't sound like Blasphemophager or Sadomator. People on there have probably never heard "Enthrone Darkness Triumphant" but think Mjölnir's album is important because Hendrik Möbius says so and he has a good way with words. Etc etc...
So tl;dr but I think lack of context is a pity. I don't see any of the Concilium bands mentioned either yet I feel like the Finnish scene, otherwise oddball-sounding (in a good way), owes them quite of its current unity in sound (I'm speaking for the most melodic bands obviously.)
Finally, I think that there's only a general 3rd wave, or numerous waves, that encompass every post Internet/mainstream exposition of the genre's band as it is constantly evolving and lines with other genres get blurred. I find it a very interesting phenomenon by the way. I don't know many genres of music that keep bringing something new to the table or mutating (whether one agrees or not with these changes) almost 40 years after their inception.
Sorry for the massive post. That's the reason why I don't like discussing this stuff as a whole. I'm back to shutting up and not ranting and yelling at clouds. Also, I particularly recommend any BM newcomer to check Metalion's anthology of his Slayer zines.
EDIT: And I disagree with Katharsis belonging to the 2nd wave because, although they do love Darkthrone, they got famous thanks to NoEvDia and with their later releases, which show a rather personal take on that style in my humble opinion.
And I believe nobody cared about Inquisition before they got releases on SSP or NWN fairly recently. They certainly can't be considered as an influencial 2nd wave band as nobody knew them pre-Internet times. Same with the LLN bands.
And I think some Australian bands like Corpse Molestation or Bestial Warlust belong to the bestial BM list before bands like Proclamation. Bestial Summoning definitely belongs there as well.
Yeah if you want to identify with release who sell a lot under the banner of bm go ahead and male a list. I'm not trying to assume your position on this matter, I'm trying to encapsulate an actual inkling on the albums which will remain canon for bm. Imo I don't think Dimmu borgir or CoF does that regardless of their sale. This is exactly why I don't want to rely on sales/distribution but rather actual impact although I admit that without concrete numbers it is hard to document (which is why I go by heart). Inquisition didn't have enough followers in your mind? wtf? this is canon work which very few would dispute. I started my response with the intention of making a starting point for some but I feel like further responses might damage the purpose. nv, the bollocks.
Popularity is hardly best way to measure influence for core of "genre". It would be like thinking Offspring and Bad Religion being most crucial bands for punk? I doubt it. They may be popular, but irrelevant for many perspectives.
In context of Black Metal, one can observe that even in late 90's, there could be demo tape of 100 copies, what would ignite sort of turn in history of music style and idea itself. Something what many albums that were pressed 10000, did not result.
I'm not concerned of lists or many types of subjective views, nor sharing information. What I am usually annoyed by, is seemingly utmost lack of understanding in BM history or core ideas are intrinsic. Things that mean rejecting those, exclude band from BM without shadow of a doubt.
Insisting calling anything black metal. Using "blackened-". In its vast and diverse forms, there are certainly boundaries when material simply is not BM. Even if it would share couple superficial qualities a'la shrieking vocals or "distorted sound" or blastbeat. As soon as this is said, that there are bands and ideas that without shadow of a doubt are NOT bm, you got people jumping up and down yelling about elitism, closed mindedness, bigotry, prejudice and whatever. And you can just conclude: point proven.
But if just settle for recommendations of bands, I'm always rather surprised why EVILFEAST is not more popular than it is. Phenomenal project from Poland. Certainly some of their CD's are high priced, but it's not the band what would appear often in discussions. Latest album of Wolfnacht is unexplainably amazing. It's hard to point what exactly makes it so good. Availability of the album is rather scarse due its lyrical content, but it's worth to hunt. Evilfeast, in other hand, has had recent re-issues even as double LP sets for those who refuse to buy CD's - which for a lot of BM is best format.
Cradle of filths debut is probably one of the most influentuial BM albums out there, and one of the best of that era. Its just that most people wont admit it, though i bet they started their BM 'career' off the back of it.
I don't know about The Offspring (always hated them) but Bad Religion have definitely had a huge influence on a lot of punk bands, at least in one particular part of the punk culture. There are tribute albums, album cover rip-offs and band names inspired by them!
I love Evilfeast as well and always thought they were underrated.
A completely hilarious parody video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOibIxl3dLo
You can't parody bad Black Metal videos, they parody themselves. It's great to see Peste Noir, for example, continue the tradition -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y)
It sounds like they want to be the Black Metal version of The Tiger Lillies and looks like they want to be the Black Metal version of GG Allin.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 10, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
You can't parody bad Black Metal videos, they parody themselves. It's great to see Peste Noir, for example, continue the tradition -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLNTURw_7Y)
It sounds like they want to be the Black Metal version of The Tiger Lillies and looks like they want to be the Black Metal version of GG Allin.
I never understood how or why this project ever warranted any attention or interest, utter shit.
Someone will come along to defend them I'm sure. I grant they have some legitimate talent with their instruments but I also find them unlistenable.
One thing I just can't get into is this crossover with European folk music. For one, I hate European folk music. For another, I can't think of two more disparate genres than Metal of any kind, let alone Black Metal, and folk music. I know all the ideological connections so I don't need someone to jump in and bang on about that but musically you're looking at two completely different things. As usual I could name one or two exceptions that I like to the rule but as usual the rule remains. Folk and Metal should get divorced immediately. Fuck acoustic instruments, Metal should be electric.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 11:22:40 AMOne thing I just can't get into is this crossover with European folk music. For one, I hate European folk music. For another, I can't think of two more disparate genres than Metal of any kind, let alone Black Metal, and folk music. I know all the ideological connections so I don't need someone to jump in and bang on about that but musically you're looking at two completely different things. As usual I could name one or two exceptions that I like to the rule but as usual the rule remains. Folk and Metal should get divorced immediately. Fuck acoustic instruments, Metal should be electric.
Completely agree! I remember when the first Ulver came out a lot of people went crazy, always found it extremely soft stuff with gay vocals. Same goes for Storm, IMHO the most useless side-project ever, even all three participants rightfully feel ashamed about it now. My exception to the rule would be Isengard, because there are only few pure folkish songs. Can't get into any Neofolk either.
@ Peste Noire: The first three albums were ok although only in small doses because of French language. After that this band got so much smoke blown up their asses that they behave now like narcissistic Hip-Hoppers and still a lot of people applaud them, can't understand why. Their videos, trailers and "documentaries" (= some obedient moron from their entourage filming them) are extremely embarrassing, they are trying very hard.
Oh fuck, that docco...
Listening to PN a bit more tonight, they come across as clones of Shining. I don't mind Shining when they're actually playing Metal but all the bits of decoration they put on their music shits me.
The split tape with Sombre Chemin and debut album are recordings I can appreciate and even spin on occasion. Can't stand anything after that though.
Quote from: Old Banyan Tree on September 04, 2017, 05:22:06 AM
What do you guys think about bands that mix PE/Noise with Black Metal?
Axnaar and Masokismi come to my mind and I think they're great.
I think these two Spanish bands offer some quality on the more low-fi/whatever BM.
nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/atrabilis-negativa-mmxvii-tape
I don't mind the crossover between Black metal and folk(-ish) stuff, example early Ättestupa or Solstafir are great. This is just useless junk by useless people
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 11:22:40 AMtrying very hard to blow their own asses
Whatever, stupid people do stupid shit, no matter wat genre, attitude or lifestyle.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 12:51:09 PMListening to PN a bit more tonight, they come across as clones of Shining.
Yeah, Shining... http://youtu.be/oIhjhOAzit8
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 12, 2017, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: monotome on September 11, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 11, 2017, 11:22:40 AMtrying very hard to blow their own asses
I don't remember writing that. I'd never spell it "asses" for one thing.
Yes, that looks like a misquote of my posting. English is not my mother-tongue, would the plural be "arses"?
@ Shining: The early works are good stuff (first two albums in particular), heavily influenced by Bethlehem and Strid. It has to be noted that this band didn't play live before ca. 2005, so people couldn't know what kind of retards they are.
Evilfeast - Funeral sorcery 2LP
This is a really great record to be listened to on a stormy, rainy autumnal Sunday afternoon.
Enjoying the 90's vibe, good songwriting, and textures of Krolok.
Available now via Slave Chandelier
Dobhar Chu - Glenaide Lough CS (second edition)
Raw Canadian Black Metal not unlike Temple of Fullmoon bands and Ildjarn...
https://soundcloud.com/slavechandelier/dobhar-chu-hymns-to-the-legions-of-the-horned-one
http://slavechandelier.bigcartel.com/product/dobhar-chu-glenaide-lough-second-edition-cs
Ledas-Holodomor raw black metal, in the vein of Ildjarn
https://ledas.bandcamp.com/ (https://ledas.bandcamp.com/)
two cds out soon
I haven't listened to metal much over the last year or so but recently started up again. Currently listening to the most recent from Bestial Raids which is pretty good. Another NWN-related act I'm looking forward to is Grave Upheaval. I missed out on the untitled debut but will, most definitely, buy the second release that is coming in March. Same goes the new full length by Morbosidad, they have always been a favorite of mine.
https://weregoat.bandcamp.com/album/pestilential-rites-of-infernal-fornication
WG check all the boxes that I like so I ordered the tape of their recent full-length...
Very much looking forward to the new Grave Upheaval record. I should revisit the previous one soon.
That Weregoat record is fucking great.
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...
Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.
Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.
Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...
^ here are some that have stood out imo:
DSKNT - phSPHR Entropy: https://youtu.be/8Nakhb8HvmA (https://youtu.be/8Nakhb8HvmA)
Voidsphere - To Call/To Speak: https://youtu.be/NmQ7dPyLHAg (https://youtu.be/NmQ7dPyLHAg)
Bestia Arcana - Holókauston: https://youtu.be/Kv2XAeoFVxE (https://youtu.be/Kv2XAeoFVxE)
GGUW - BEHAUPTUNGSANIMALITÄT: https://youtu.be/DG6bwDRS7m4 (https://youtu.be/DG6bwDRS7m4)
Obskuritatem - U Kraljevstvu Mrtvi: (youtube link is down, here's a preview) https://soundcloud.com/blackgangrene/obskuritatem-u-kraljevstvu-mrtvih-album-samples (https://soundcloud.com/blackgangrene/obskuritatem-u-kraljevstvu-mrtvih-album-samples)
Sortilegia - Sulphurous Temple: https://youtu.be/fFOgsBZQPZ8 (https://youtu.be/fFOgsBZQPZ8)
Tetragrammacide - Primal Incinerators of Moral Matrix: https://youtu.be/gOOBhvS5kbc (https://youtu.be/gOOBhvS5kbc)
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.
I never flip this record and only play the GU side, honestly.
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...
Shameless plug, but http://profaneorder.bandcamp.com
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...
Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.
Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.
Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...
Nyogthaeblisz
Tetragrammacide
Sect Pig
Tsalal
Kapala
Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes
Goatvermin
Quote from: yosef666 on January 19, 2018, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: bitewerksMTB on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
I ordered the WG tape from Parasitic so it may be a few weeks before it arrives...
Listened to Manticore "Of Plagues & Rats" LP last night. They pretty much sound like Angelcorpse but with additional death metal vocals. I may have to check out their split 12" with Grave Upheaval.
Just listened to the Manticore/GU split; the Manticore material isn't as AC-sounding as the LP. Both bands have good work so may be worth picking up at a low price. The cover art is interesting.
Any more recent violent metal recommendations? I tend to like the more chaotic bands...
Nyogthaeblisz
Tetragrammacide
Sect Pig
All huge.
Quote from: KMusselman on January 19, 2018, 04:27:19 AM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!
*can't spell for shit tonight... anyway, the reason for the modification.
Thanks!
That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record. Black metal has been evolving as a genre since the early 80's. What I'd consider as an iconic record for its context of creation and influence musicwise would be Mayhem's "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" though.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on January 19, 2018, 04:27:19 AM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!
That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.
There is certainly some essential listening though!
Burzum- Filosofem
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom
Mayhem - Deathcrush
Gorgoroth - Antichrist (or Pentagram)
Dissection- Storm of the Light's Bane
more modern-
Peste Noire - La Sanie Des Siècles - Panégyrique De La Dégénérescence
Goatmoon - Finnish Steel Storm
White Medal - Guthmers Hahl
Clandestine Blaze - New Golgotha Rising
by no means comprehensive, but mostly my faves
I'm not an expert but i'd say the first Bathory.
I understand there was this English band called Venom or something, who had an album who's title I can't recall right now...
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on January 19, 2018, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on January 19, 2018, 04:27:19 AM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!
That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.
There is certainly some essential listening though!
[Yaddayadda]
I could have listed 15 crucial albums but that's not the point of the question here. I could also have made a list of my faves, but that's also not the point either. There are albums from that time that I also like better than DMDS but the question is about importance for the genre and being objective about it. Otherwise, he would have checked NWN or any stupid forum.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on January 19, 2018, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 19, 2018, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: KMusselman on January 19, 2018, 04:27:19 AM
for one who has never been into/introduced to black metal, give me that one defining release and i'll buy it!
That's not possible. It's like asking for the ultimate "noise" record.
There is certainly some essential listening though!
[Yaddayadda]
I could have listed 15 crucial albums but that's not the point of the question here. I could also have made a list of my faves, but that's also not the point either. There are albums from that time that I also like better than DMDS but the question is about importance for the genre and being objective about it. Otherwise, he would have checked NWN or any stupid forum.
I know it's easy to be hyperbolic about black metal but it's quite obvious what the guy was asking for and these recommendations work fine.
https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii (https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii)
Raw Primitive Black Metal, similar to early Absurd and Ildjarn
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3843834100_10.jpg)
Just saw an artist named Pandiscordian Necrogenesis play recently. Technical and fully improvised one man black metal machine, playing all instruments simultaneously (feet on drums, hands on guitar, and vocals). Definitely worth checking out. He also records under the name Mastery and released my favorite black metal album of all time back in 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXnESBAMq4
Quote from: downward on January 25, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii (https://giasc.bandcamp.com/album/giasc-raw-demo-mmxviii)
Raw Primitive Black Metal, similar to early Absurd and Ildjarn
Demo seems to be gone.
Listened to
We will rise again, though, and was surprised to learn that I sort of enjoy this type of stuff again (it was terribly overdone fifteen years ago or so). I don't think it's quite at the level of stuff like Abs Conditus or Ildjarn, but it has plenty of charm and grit.
Quote from: vegasfountain on February 03, 2018, 07:45:45 PM
Just saw an artist named Pandiscordian Necrogenesis play recently. Technical and fully improvised one man black metal machine, playing all instruments simultaneously (feet on drums, hands on guitar, and vocals). Definitely worth checking out. He also records under the name Mastery and released my favorite black metal album of all time back in 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXnESBAMq4
this piqued my interest, I'd only ever seen it done by the kooky but loveable Nuit Noire to almost comic effect. This is great though! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjJlp5UPmM
Another very underrated one man black metal project from the US... Blattaria. This album has everything I crave from this style of music. It's fast, filthy, dissonant, and disorienting. Can't get enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5BcAqUVy0
New track from an upcoming Oaken Tower demo. For those unfamiliar, raw heathen black metal:
https://soundcloud.com/beyondtheruins/oaken-tower-division
Quote from: vegasfountain on February 21, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
Another very underrated one man black metal project from the US... Blattaria. This album has everything I crave from this style of music. It's fast, filthy, dissonant, and disorienting. Can't get enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5BcAqUVy0
reminds me a lot of Krallice.
Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.
Quote from: urall on February 22, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.
Yeah, isn't that odd? I've encountered rare cases of noise acts named something like "fucknoizosblam" that still sound surprisingly good, but even so Evilfeast might be the most extreme case of divergence between band moniker (which is outright shit) and music (which is awesome) I've ever encountered. My one hypothesis is that they/he started out like a nonsense/almost-joke project, and grew from there. There are a few rather well known BM bands that took that route.
Quote from: Stoa on February 22, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: urall on February 22, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Currently slightly obsessed with Evilfeast. Never checked them out before because... 'evilfeast'. But the epicness has me hooked.
Yeah, isn't that odd? I've encountered rare cases of noise acts named something like "fucknoizosblam" that still sound surprisingly good, but even so Evilfeast might be the most extreme case of divergence between band moniker (which is outright shit) and music (which is awesome) I've ever encountered. My one hypothesis is that they/he started out like a nonsense/almost-joke project, and grew from there. There are a few rather well known BM bands that took that route.
Imho, I don't honestly know whether one can truly make an accurate judgement about this. Nothing sounds like a joke when it comes to Evilfeast, even the first demo was solid and conceptually close to what he still does now. Same with say... Hate Forest or Nokturnal Mortum if we stay in the East. And closer to us, for instance, Xenophobic Ejaculation or Zyklon SS are utterly stupid names but hardly anyone within the noise/industrial/PE scene questions the 30-somethings behind the projects, you know what I mean? They never started as joke bands, and everyone knows it. It's just a matter of personal taste for the creator of the project and how someone from the outside perceives it, I think?
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 23, 2018, 03:51:52 AM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.
Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context. The decline of Western civilization is definitely not for them.
Sorry, I got carried away. I just love Immortal and hate the current BM scene.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on February 23, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 23, 2018, 03:51:52 AM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.
Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context.
Black metal "gigs" are a terrible idea for the most part. If the setting is right, then I can see it working but for example big outdoor stages in the middle of clear day takes away from the whole experience. I'd rather see black metal bands performing in a basement in front of small circle jerk audience but obviously that doesn't meet the criteria for professional musicians that are looking to make a living from their music. For me personally "professional musician" and "black metal" doesn't really go hand in hand. Then again, can't blame them for taking advantage of the music market.
I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on February 23, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.
I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on February 23, 2018, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 23, 2018, 03:51:52 AM
Black Metal, for the most part, is an irony-free zone. That has advantages and disadvantages, but Black Metal still demands you either take or leave it. Personally, I cherry pick - I'll listen to Immortal 'till the cows come home but I'll ignore their music videos, for example.
Hah, I actually BLASTED "At The Heart Of Winter" two days ago... I think Immortal is an exception to the rule, not in the way that they are a joke band, as they're definitely not (have you seen Abbath's video interviews, or videos of Abbath's guitar lessons?), just that they're an anomaly within the BM scene in my humble opinion. From "ATHOW" onwards, they succeeded in being a freaking rock band playing the most brutal music for festivals. I love the early material because it truly is amazing black metal, and personal as well, but I also love their post "ATHOW" material because it just rocks so much harder than most BM bands. Immortal had (have?) the attitude and the riffs, and are tailored for festivals, but I feel like even the "Fuck Christ" tour videos already show that. 98% of BM or DM bands aren't that way and are a real embarassement to see on stage. I can't wait for the death of "rituals" and boring/static bands, and the end of bands that wish to live the "metal dream" (big scenes, big lights, big shows) but suck because the only reasons behind their moderate success can be explained by virtual circle jerks of basement dwellers who spend too much time on forums, a few good riffs and an odd but fitting production. And yet they don't realise they can't convey any of it in a regular live context. The decline of Western civilization is definitely not for them.
Sorry, I got carried away. I just love Immortal and hate the current BM scene.
Don't know if it's irony-free. I have the feeling that lots of 'raw' black metal bands these days are taking the piss. But there are lots of good bands doing this don't get me wrong.
Well, i admit that it's stupid to skip a band for their name only. But there's so much stuff out there that you need to filter on something i guess.
Quote from: urall on February 23, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Well, i admit that it's stupid to skip a band for their name only. But there's so much stuff out there that you need to filter on something i guess.
I said about exactly the same to somebody about King Dude last weekend. (Of course, since then there's another good reason not to check his music out.)
I think I listened to something from Evilfeast a while ago, but wasn't into it.
Right now, I'm impressed with the Icelandic Thule band. Anthology 1995-1997 has just been re-released by White Wolf prod. Have to snag a copy.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on February 23, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
Black metal "gigs" are a terrible idea for the most part. If the setting is right, then I can see it working but for example big outdoor stages in the middle of clear day takes away from the whole experience. I'd rather see black metal bands performing in a basement in front of small circle jerk audience but obviously that doesn't meet the criteria for professional musicians that are looking to make a living from their music. For me personally "professional musician" and "black metal" doesn't really go hand in hand. Then again, can't blame them for taking advantage of the music market.
I'll take this: https://youtu.be/0PfeW47ft_o over this https://youtu.be/FMncM_qT4hw any day.
Black metal gigs in basements are the best, or in the woods, or things like that. You need proximity with the crowd, sweat, roughness of the sound and showing that you don't cheat to manage to convince the crowd. But I think there's a massive hypocrisy thing that's always been going in the extreme metal scene and it's not going to change. It's funny you mention Peste Noire. Famine is the epitome of that attitude, although I guess that since he began playing gigs more regularly he's more honest about it.
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 23, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)
More potential to sell more consumer goods. That's what it's all about.
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on February 24, 2018, 12:44:50 AM
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 23, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
I knew this was gonna be Peste Noire before clicking! These new live shows are fucking weird, as is the whole "glitzy"/polished NSBM thing at the moment (Asgardsrei etc)
More potential to sell more consumer goods. That's what it's all about.
They are collecting money for a good cause... That I can respect. Wasn't hatin' on KPN, all their albums are flawless.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on February 24, 2018, 02:56:26 AM
They are collecting money for a good cause... That I can respect. Wasn't hatin' on KPN, all their albums are flawless.
Ah yes, "the cause". Hip capitalists of all varieties love "the cause". A dash of political flavour adds spice to the purchase. And why not? If it makes the purchaser feel good, that's the experience they're paying for. Left, Right, or chicken wing, it's all, as everyone says nowadays, good.
Don't get me wrong. People will spend money on what they want. The only real cause is feeling good about things, so if it makes you feel good, do it.
(http://i.xomf.com/drpzc.jpg)
Revenge last night at La National in Montreal were great as always.
Ungfell - Tôtbringære
Random bandcamp find https://ungfell.bandcamp.com/album/t-tbring-re
Scratches the itch for fans of early Peste Noire. Some tracks are actually pretty shameless rip offs, not to mention the logo/artwork. That said it's really enjoyable, melancholic/romantic and rural black metal with very medieval riffs. I've read a few people in this thread and elsewhere say they could do without the wackiness and "polished" nature of recent KPN so this will certainly appease those tastes.
Black metal I can get on board with:
https://awwfn.bandcamp.com/track/black-metal
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy
https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)
Quote from: magma* on March 05, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy
https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)
A great band. Their earlier material borders on total noise, completely indecipherable. Personally I love it.
I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.
Had to resort to YouTube to actually hear that Tetragrammicide album. But yea, good, noisy, messy and chaotic. Looks like they've got a nice anti-cosmic angle going as well.
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on February 27, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Ungfell - Tôtbringære
Random bandcamp find https://ungfell.bandcamp.com/album/t-tbring-re
sounds good! ...or is it better to say bad, if it's about bm? beyond good & bad, sounds better (or worse... or beyond better and worse?)
Quote from: FallOfNature on March 06, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.
Thanks. will check Konflict today... good exotica bonus that Sri Lanka.
EDIT: new found: https://feminazgul.bandcamp.com/releases
"the age of men is over" (but those piano-parts not so exciting. not at all, actually)
https://innerempire.bandcamp.com/album/blessed-are-the-meek (https://innerempire.bandcamp.com/album/blessed-are-the-meek)
Panzram Division (SWE) / Downward (ITA) - Blessed are the Meek...
10 tracks, raw black metal, drone, noise, blackened punk
I like this one from IMMORTAL - All Shall Fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOebk_dKFo
I like that song, and I like Abbath's first release very much. As much as I dig raw/chaotic/outre/etc BM there's always time for classic old school material that's well written, well played and well done.
Quote from: FallOfNature on March 06, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
Quote from: magma* on March 05, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
didn'T know they are playing bm in India also... this is a raw and noisy
https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul (https://ironboneheadproductions.bandcamp.com/album/tetragrammacide-typhonian-wormholes-indecipherable-anti-structural-formul)
A great band. Their earlier material borders on total noise, completely indecipherable. Personally I love it.
I recommend Konflict from Sri Lanka, too. The vocalist was supposed to guest on my next tape, but that's yet to come to fruition.
I actually prefer the earlier Tetragrammacide material to this newest offering - which is quite good. Hope they adopt the noise again.
Definitely concur with the Konflict recommendation. They recently had a video which was banned from youtube before I could see it; don't know if it was uploaded anywhere else... Their split with Reek Of The Unzen Gas Fumes is great.
some recent things i've been listening to:
jassa - incarnation of the higher gnosis (russia) : https://youtu.be/jzzlkjAnDb8 (https://youtu.be/jzzlkjAnDb8)
occelensbrigg - the cosmic winter state (portugal) : https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4 (https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4)
mahr - antelux : https://youtu.be/C6t7D9Qei-o (https://youtu.be/C6t7D9Qei-o)
altar of perversion - intra naos (italy) : https://youtu.be/7ynoTZO79Nk (https://youtu.be/7ynoTZO79Nk)
*it's fucking 2 hours long*
On a bit of a binge lately...loving stuff from Adytum, Vetevrakh, Death Scepter, Glok, Malefices, Tsalal (bordering on noise here), Ultima Thule, Pa Vesh En, Die Kunst Der Finsternis new album, Black Necrosis...
should have the new Caveman Cult 10" any day now
Quote from: ricjaff on June 13, 2018, 06:38:05 AM
occelensbrigg - the cosmic winter state (portugal) : https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4 (https://youtu.be/e3r2vkVVRt4)
This rules. All the right elements.
Quote from: FallOfNature on June 13, 2018, 10:25:25 AMTsalal, Black Necrosis
both of these are great bands. apparently there is new Tsalal in the works
NWN just put up the Blasphamagoatachrist "Black Metal Warfare" Demo
members of Blasphemy, Goatpenis and Antichrist (Canadian one)
Enjoying a lot of black metal again recently having neglected it for a while, particularly the new Grá album "Vasen" and "Rûr" by Rûr.
Heard some shite too, mostly ruined by weak vocals.
Quote from: DSOL on June 14, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
NWN just put up the Blasphamagoatachrist "Black Metal Warfare" Demo
members of Blasphemy, Goatpenis and Antichrist (Canadian one)
Members of 2 of the most overrated bands of all time. I remember hearing Blasphemy in the late 90s and their CDs sold for barely anything from Osmose. As for Goatpenis, I always found everything they did at best tacky, at worst... you can imagine. Even that Suppurated Fetus demo I have is much more average than a lot of the wild stuff coming out of Brazil around those times. I mean, obviously to each their own but you can't make me believe that people calling their band Blasphamagoatachrist will care about writing decent riffs and that it will be good, even if Yosuke wraps them up in the nicest package with spikes from Callers of The Storms' guitar strap and stains the cover of the tape with some of Goatpenis' latest "ritual"'s feijoada leftovers.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 15, 2018, 01:10:00 AM
I mean, obviously to each their own but you can't make me believe that people calling their band Blasphamagoatachrist will care about writing decent riffs and that it will be good, even if Yosuke wraps them up in the nicest package with spikes from Callers of The Storms' guitar strap and stains the cover of the tape with some of Goatpenis' latest "ritual"'s feijoada leftovers.
yeah, with that name all i expect is unjustified hype and ultra deluxe packaging that people will flock to. i've been thinking about project names a lot these days within the whole black/death sphere; just seems like people are using the same clichés ad infinitum with little-to-no contemplation. this is one of the most lackluster examples i've seen in quite some time.
Personally think "Fallen Angel Of Doom" deserves the hype and praise it gets considering they were the first to take things to that level.
Goatpenis are kinda hit and miss... Depleted Ammunition and Inhumanization are the only albums I kept and play on regular occasion.
I didn't care for Death Worship too much, and doubt I'll bother with Blasphamagoatachrist beyond a curious listen.
Revenge, Nyogthaeblisz, Bestial Warlust, Tetragrammacide, Heresiarch and early Diocletian all suffice when I want to hear some all out violence, which is a good majority of the time.
Fallen Angel Of Doom and Gods Of War\Blood Upon The Altar are sacred art, and Blasphemy are one of the best. Actually the real deal, living a lifestyle fitting of the music they create, which you can't say for 99.9% of BM or noise acts. Also incredible live band.
But obviously this new project has a ridiculous name and is a waste of time. Edit: actually listening to it and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, although still not anywhere near "essential listening". I guess I would prefer something like this to Blasphemy releasing a new record and tarnishing the legacy of the project
Blasphamagoatachrist basically sounds like Goatpenis with Black Winds on vocals.
as for the name it's pretty lame that they decided to incorporate all 3 of their other bands name into one name, when I'm sure they could've come up with something much better
Quote from: FallOfNature on June 15, 2018, 11:55:48 AM
Personally think "Fallen Angel Of Doom" deserves the hype and praise it gets considering they were the first to take things to that level.
Goatpenis are kinda hit and miss... Depleted Ammunition and Inhumanization are the only albums I kept and play on regular occasion.
I didn't care for Death Worship too much, and doubt I'll bother with Blasphamagoatachrist beyond a curious listen.
Revenge, Nyogthaeblisz, Bestial Warlust, Tetragrammacide, Heresiarch and early Diocletian all suffice when I want to hear some all out violence, which is a good majority of the time.
check out Human Agony if you haven't already.
Quote from: FallOfNature on June 15, 2018, 11:55:48 AM
I didn't care for Death Worship too much
Extermination Mass is incredible and gives all of the related projects a run for their money.
Quote from: DSOL on June 15, 2018, 03:58:34 PM
check out Human Agony if you haven't already.
Literally Revenge 2.0. Played with them in April.
It took 15 years and gadget reissues for Blasphemy to be hyped whereas they had released a record on one of the most prominent BM label of the 90s. I also just read a massive interview of Hervé Herbaut (Osmose's boss) in which he mentions how the Fuck Christ tour was a massive failure... Speaks volumes to me...
I like some of the Aussie bands (like Bestial Warlust or Abominator) but to me they're closer to other local bands like Slaughter Lord than Blasphemy. And I like Sacramentary Abolishment and Axis Of Advance better than Revenge or Conqueror. Axis Of Advance CDs were also really cheap (like 2€ from Osmose for a while... Controversial opinions, sorry...
have to disagree with the part about the "Fuck Christ Tour". Immortal and Rotting Christ were also on that tour and Immortal was the headliner, i don't think it's fair to say that it speaks volumes about Blasphemy when basically they were a support act to the headliner.
look what both Immortal and Rotting Christ turned into in terms of popularity/etc after said tour.
That's not because of the tour. It's because they were on a label that got all the right albums at the right time, including theirs. He says nobody wanted to book those dates and that the bands often played to 20 people.
I don't think Rotting Christ or any of the Greek bands (besides Septic Flesh maybe?) ever were popular until the 00s and even then, considering them popular is quite the hyperbole. The albums were there but I don't remember people caring about them at all. That's recent, forum-induced phenomena.
Rotting Christ sure had the popularity in the late 90's in Australia at least. I first heard them when A Dead Poem came out. Sleep Of The Angels got a lot of attention in all the mags, even if it sucked (but I'll still take that album over what Tiamat, Samael etc were doing then). They weren't Burzum/Mayhem tier popular but the name was surely common.
Necromantia, Varathron and the rest were basically unheard of by anyone not buying music via mailorder or immersed in the u/g back then though. Varathron probably has NWN! to thank for their current fan base growth.
Speaking of Greek BM - about time someone reissued Legion Of Doom's debut on LP.
Quote from: totalblack on June 15, 2018, 01:05:30 PM
Fallen Angel Of Doom and Gods Of War\Blood Upon The Altar are sacred art, and Blasphemy are one of the best. Actually the real deal, living a lifestyle fitting of the music they create, which you can't say for 99.9% of BM or noise acts. Also incredible live band.
But obviously this new project has a ridiculous name and is a waste of time. Edit: actually listening to it and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, although still not anywhere near "essential listening". I guess I would prefer something like this to Blasphemy releasing a new record and tarnishing the legacy of the project
A band i was in a long long time ago played with Blasphemy, nice guys but if you believe the hilarious NWN forum hype and "I heard they benchpressed 20 goats in a cemetery at moonlight" type drivel then you need to have a word with yourself. All i can remember of 'the lifestyle' was smoking weed, drinking beer and having a laugh, fast forward 20+ years and Blasphemy are probably quite content to hitch a ride on their own internet hype train, not have to bother recording anything else, and make a few $$ while laughing at people wanking themselves off over fantasy tales on the NWN forum.
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.
Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
Blasphemy have always resonated with me in a very violent and primal way. Their studio output is impeccable and honestly, they should just leave it at that and not release anything new. That said, the worship they get these days is a bit retarded. Seems like they caught on with hardcore kids a few years ago who tend to have an annoying emphasis/self congratulatory pat on the back over Caller being black. The fact that there is a long "nerdism" thread on NWN speaks volumes on the autistic nature of the metal crowd. They seem to have become some sort of meme ("lol couchphoto.jpg").
Whatever though, music will always stand supreme.
Quote from: absurdexposition on June 17, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.
Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
I've heard other things from mutual friends of ours --- but nothing that wouldn't rule out any of this information
Quote from: absurdexposition on June 17, 2018, 07:30:14 PM
Nocturnal Grave Desecrator and Black Winds is unemployed, lives with his mom, does copious amounts of coke, wears a track suit.
Caller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
No faux "satanic life style" can compete with the true cosmic horror of Reality.
The tangent this thread took was the best thing I've consumed today.
Quote from: sunandsteel on June 24, 2018, 02:25:10 AM
Blasphemy have always resonated with me in a very violent and primal way. Their studio output is impeccable and honestly, they should just leave it at that and not release anything new. That said, the worship they get these days is a bit retarded. Seems like they caught on with hardcore kids a few years ago who tend to have an annoying emphasis/self congratulatory pat on the back over Caller being black. The fact that there is a long "nerdism" thread on NWN speaks volumes on the autistic nature of the metal crowd. They seem to have become some sort of meme ("lol couchphoto.jpg").
Whatever though, music will always stand supreme.
I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.
You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
I'm sorry for being blunt but your post and ideas make you look like you spend too much time reading the NWN board, on which revisionism reigns and people take the words of a few for absolute truth. No one in the hardcore scene cares about someone from Blasphemy being black. Most people who were into hardcore in the 90's knew of Blasphemy from people like Stephane from Kickback (for instance) or listened to as much metal as the average metalhead when they enjoyed the music. People who got into hardcore post 00's probably got their facts mixed thanks to the internet and boards like the NWN one (the same kind of boards exist in the hardcore punk scene by the way, which sucks.)
"Autistic" is typical misinformed pseudo-derogatory NWN slang, "memes" are NWN's basement dwellers' obsessions, and Blasphemy = fodder for NWN that relies on the "autistic" behaviours of its supporters to grab more cash for more interesting records.
You're obviously entitled to your opinions and loving Blasphemy more than I do, to each their own, but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
Nice post.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is
always the real head-shaker.
My wife's uncle lives in Victoria and walks through Ross Bay cemetery every day as part of his daily routine. He was utterly baffled by all the band photos and instagram tribute pics of "pilgrimages" to Ross Bay. He's now keeping an eye out for them and I screen shot every one that comes up. He's hoping to run into some kvlting as he's trying to feed the deer.
I do have a soft spot for the insane mythologizing of Blasphemy, like the story of one of them punching out KK Warslut when he insulted Caller of the Storms, but yeah, it's a tad ridiculous. However I think the recent fanaticism for Revenge is a tad more baffling. They're cool and all, and I've picked up every one of the their records over the years but.... ???
Personally NWN puts out so many other cool records like those Iron Curtain thrash albums like Hellias, Tudor, Root, Exorcist, Kat, or the Canadian ones like Von, Yog Sothots, Soothsayer, etc.....
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Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
...but 95% of the NWN posters have such a clueless vision of what goes on in other music scenes or outside their fantasy world that it makes it impossible to read for me anymore. A real shame...
How very retro...like pre-crossover...when a small population loved music and was curious, and open, to everything. But to the other sides of that group, those worlds were rife with ignorance...and pride in that ignorance, which is always the real head-shaker.
You worded it better than I could. Between the ignorant metalhead to the punks who deconstruct everything so much they lose themselves in their concepts and can't interact with anyone who doesn't have their head so far up their ass, it gets difficult at times.
I have real life experience that shows me it's not an age-thing so I dismiss that explaination but I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.
I think "fanaticism" is just a hyperbolic word for metalheads needing to one-up eachother, like the use of terms such as "kvlting" or "ritual." It's like comparing the amount of balooga shockers one owns or finally admitting you listen secretly to Limbonic Art when no one watches because Werwolf just released a Vargrav album... You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 10:09:26 PM
rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.
+1
I went to a NWN festival years ago and it was really eye opening how weird that scene is. Basically 1000 dudes all with leather jacket and either Blasphemy or Beherit back patches, adorned with as many additional logos that the girth of the wearer would allow. Most of the bands were boring\awful as well
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.
Quote from: Duncan on June 25, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.
I understand that you are being tongue in cheek, but after 15-20 years of underground music events in a plethora of genres, it still stands out as being by far the most homogeneous crowd that I've ever seen. Significantly more-so than compared to other Black or Death Metal events.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on June 24, 2018, 10:09:26 PM
I can't accept that some people just "know better", like the ones who'd rather buy some of the records Holy Ghost mentioned.
You can't look weak by current nonsensical standards (they seem nonsensical to me at least) so you'd rather own 50 4th rate bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt war metal picture discs rather than know all good Maiden and Priest's albums by heart.
I accept that some people know better - or are strong minded in being in such conclusion. Especially within BM, it would be crucial.
Yet, from perspective I'm looking from, I don't see anywhere standard that metalheads would be hoarding and boasting with war metal picture discs, but rather everybody listening everything else but
bestialnecrotrvegrimkvlt. It is likely person you talk to will blatantly say they just listen Iron Maiden and Danzig from youtube and that's about it. Regardless how rough labels or bands they operate. There is no shortage of people who sing along any Iron Maiden song, I can tell you that.
I have seen people make very broad generalization about Special Interests Forum, as hang-out place of alt-right noise slobs. How much truth is in that, seems to be purely based on observers own hang-ups. Focusing on revolving with handful of messages/topics one dislikes, unable to move to things you do. Of course you see what you see. If some things, like lesser appreciated NWN titles are pressed 250 and don't even sell out, crowd that collects that stuff is unlikely such a huge peer pressure one could not talk about Limbonic Art.
Perspective - just like talk about significance of Rotting Christ. Where I come from, EVERYBODY, and I say:
everybody, knew Rotting Christ. A lot of people appreciated it. If not overtly worshipped, they respected what it was about. Look at zines of the era, and striking and memorable Rotting Christ logo stands out in just about every second zine you put your hands to. Everybody knew Samael. Everybody knew Blasphemy, Beherit, Impalad Nazarene and such. Master's Hammer too. How can we measure what people
actually listened at their homes? No way to study it now. Indeed, I would say it would be matter of generation and the way how one approached metal, from where and under what circumstances. Significance of those type of bands is not merely "hype generated by forums". I would rather say that the actual fanbase may exists far far away from forums and genre social media.
For example, I was quite surprised to read Impaled Nazarene Suomi Finland Perkele has soon sold 90000 copies. So where are all the clone bands? Where are the tribute albums? Album so popular every year since it was published, it sells more than most new albums that came out.
A lot of bands in history of music do not get noticed for reason or another. Wrong time. Wrong label. Lack of will to even be more than they were. Whatever reason. Nevertheless, they may have enjoyed rather vast peer appreciation. Meaning of band not being in visible popularity, or door money of badly organized tour. Rather it's aura that shaped genre way more than one would think of.
Yet, if thinking what "popular" means:
Intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals. So, unpopularity certainly isn't bad quality! Or being unnoticed by masses, yet appreciated and cultivated by ... specialists?
Quote from: Duncan on June 25, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.
It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.
In other words, as I understand it, you can never underestimate the "Who? Oh, I just liked the patch. Never heard 'em." crowd. I personally have never experienced that, but then again, I don't walk around asking people about their shirts or what they have on their jackets. I'm told lots of folks don merchandise by bands they've never heard. A uniform. Conformity. Humanity. The disenfranchised looking for community. I'm imagining a room full of people with Beherit patches who have never heard them. But then I think of entire bars of people collecting to watch Game of Thrones. Go to a bar to watch a TV show? With a room full of strangers who won't shut up. I guess. Whatever floats your boat.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on June 25, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Duncan on June 25, 2018, 07:50:08 PM
Yeah, underground music scenes and subgenres sure are embarrassing when you take an objective glance at them.
It doesn't require even objectivity, or "underground scene". It may be merely one step away from what is just happening. Suddenly that whore twerking on TV or DJ waving his hand in front of 10000 people makes zero sense. While every part of culture in front of you tries to convince that is what is interesting now. In comparison, few patches in leather jacket is barely even uniform behavior.
Yeah of course, it's easy to abstract any cultural phenomenon by even just a ball hair or two and correctly identify it as weird. Just like saying a word over and over again makes it sound strange and meaningless (because it is), deciding to think in any way critically about forms of culture that are designed to utterly skirt that kind of thing will quickly reveal some odd realities. But what the 10,000 people has working in its favour is the 10,000 people. Yes, the human race is massive but by anyone's estimation that is still an enormous gathering of humans in one place, each of them corroborating the emperor's nude twerk and set of Dre Beats headphones. It's as surface level an observation as you could ever hope to make about anything you care to name regarding psychology of popular culture and large groups of people.
Which is why it's especially funny in the case of the 150 or so guys gathered under an umbrella of culture which purports to understand all of the above and reject it from its art, all wearing the same shirts, patches and accoutrements and probably all having bought them from the same place, probably able to remembering the thread they first found out about it in. Noise, PE, Black Metal, Punk...whatever you want its got a version of it. Harmless tribalism if you want to take another step back...but the funny part is we all say our shit is different to the other guys doing it. Just because the low hanging fruit of the mainstream or even the slightly more popular subculture above yours will always be there doesn't mean the irony of such a state of affairs is unworthy of mention.
new Slidhr is sounding good
https://soundcloud.com/v-n-records
looks like the Nyogthaeblisz full length is finally going to see the light of day
QuoteCaller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket. The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.
Quote from: THE RITA HN on June 29, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
QuoteCaller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket. The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.
Haha, that's what it was. I just remember seeing a pic of him with it at a scooter/etc repair shop an acquaintance worked at.
new Archgoat track
https://archgoat666.bandcamp.com/album/the-luciferian-crown
Quote from: THE RITA HN on June 29, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
QuoteCaller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket. The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.
i think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+ The must be selling some serious merch.
As NWN has been mentioned a few times im sure people have been seeing the hilarious Judas iscariot/NWN/Blake judd cringe fest unfolding..... Cant help but think Yosuke dropped a major bollock on this one.
Quote from: Leewar on July 01, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: THE RITA HN on June 29, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
QuoteCaller of the Storms is a security guard at the Army & Navy in the DTES and rides a red scooter.
Last time he came by the store he was on a Ducati crotch rocket. The bike can go upwards of 200 mph.
i think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+ The must be selling some serious merch.
As NWN has been mentioned a few times im sure people have been seeing the hilarious Judas iscariot/NWN/Blake judd cringe fest unfolding..... Cant help but think Yosuke dropped a major bollock on this one.
It's been like watching a car crash the last few weeks. Especially with DTB posting that Akhenaten just got in touch with Red Stream \ Elegy to say that he didn't know anything about these "official reissues". Basically complete bootlegs at this point.
YK should have known better than to trust Blake
Quotei think the only Ducati you can get that gets anywhere remotely near 200 is the RR that costs 37k+ The must be selling some serious merch.
The bike was serious. They don't live off just their merch.
http://beatroute.ca/2013/09/07/blasphemy/
Hah, I have to admit that I really like the new IMMORTAL- Northern Chaos Gods. That was an unexpected pleasure...
I listened to Sons of Northern Darkness the other day and found it surprisingly decent. Which is probably why I found myself going down 90's memory lane the past few days:
Enslaved - Eld 1997
Enslaved - Frost 1994 - the last time I listened to this, I wasn't feeling it at all, which was weird because it was a favorite back when, but this time was so sublime that I have to wonder what I was thinking before - this is one of those albums that got the cover art perfect (LP); not that it is a favorite album cover or anything like that, but they nailed the photo, color palette, layout, etc to a point to make it noteworthy - Trym's drumming style and ideas are great, but man is he ever a messy drummer.
Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism 1992 - I wish more drumming was like this (also Ancient's "Trumps of an Archangel" or Discharge "Ain't No Feeble Bastard" and "A Look at Tomorrow"; simple 8th note hi-hat rock groove).
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust 1994
*because I can't count
I quite like the messiness of the drumming on some of those earlier BM releases. There's something frantic about it. Immortal's "Battles in the North" is of course an obvious example.
BITN is my favorite Immortal album, perfect fall album
Quote from: DSOL on July 09, 2018, 03:43:52 PM
BITN is my favorite Immortal album, perfect fall album
Weird to see "Battles in the North" brought up so many times in quick succession after I just revisited it a few weeks ago for the first time in years. "Battles.." and Gorgoroth's "Incipit Satan" were the first two black metal releases I heard many years ago and it will always remain a favorite for me.
At the Stormy Gates of Mist is probably my all-time favorite Immortal song.
Yesterday I revisited all of Antaeus's discography, save for some of the early demo tapes I don't have. A nice reminder of why they're one of my all-time favorite bands, even if I don't listen to them nearly as much as I used to. I strongly believe their 3rd album "Blood Libels" is their best and refuse to acknowledge 2016's "Condemnation" as even existing at this point. Also, their live show at Maryland Death Fest in 2013 was not only fucking perfect, it was one of the most physically demanding crowd experiences I've ever had. 50 minutes of blood on asphalt and trampled body parts without pause.
MDF 2013 was the last year I went to the fest. so many amazing sets that year Antaeus like you mentioned, Bolt Thrower, Revenge, Cruciamentum and Deiphago. the Carcass set was so boring
Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT. Intense. Last top Enslaved album? I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum. Someone gave it a 23%. Nut. The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better. Just that it is. Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".
Quote from: DSOL on July 09, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
MDF 2013 was the last year I went to the fest. so many amazing sets that year Antaeus like you mentioned, Bolt Thrower, Revenge, Cruciamentum and Deiphago. the Carcass set was so boring
My last year as well. I thoroughly enjoyed the Carcass set though. Unsurprisingly it was focused on "Heartwork" and to a lesser extent "Necroticism" and the new record, but I thought it still sounded good. Whereas Revenge and Deiphago were really boring to me, especially with the god awful mixing for Deiphago. But to each their own.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 10, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT. Intense. Last top Enslaved album? I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum. Someone gave it a 23%. Nut. The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better. Just that it is. Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".
All earlier Enslaved is pretty damn enjoyable. A lover of "Frost" myself. But I also really enjoy "Below the Lights", which is way more progressive metal or whatever than viking or black etc etc. but it's nice record to listen to while sitting around a campfire in the woods and evening drives.
I not a big fan of Heartwork mixed with the weather being much more chilly than pervious years (had to buy a Beherit long sleeve because I didn't pack anything chilly weather clothes) made me just miserable during their set lol.
so far the lineup announced for next year is looking pretty decent
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 10, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
Enslaved - Blodhemn 1998 - GREAT. Intense. Last top Enslaved album? I wondered why it scored so low at Metallum. Someone gave it a 23%. Nut. The drumming is more precise than Trym's, but that doesn't make it better. Just that it is. Could do without some of the solos, appreciate the Hawkwind electronics, and didn't notice until now the Iron Maiden influence in "Eit Auga Til Mimir".
I love it too. Although "Frost" is definitely my ultimate favourite in their discography and one of my favourite black metal albums as well. There are some good things on "Mardraum" but I can't hang with them afterwards.
I remembered being a big fan of Ulver's Bergtatt, but I hadn't played it in maybe 15 or more years. One of those (greats) that slips through the cracks. What a masterpiece. Bona fide. Now that I have a lot more experience with various types of music, like prog and Nordic folk; I can appreciate Bergtatt even more. I feel this album could be akin to something like Captain Beyond. In years to come, the clued will wonder how such a truly great album went unnoticed in its time and basically continues to go unnoticed. Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 12, 2018, 06:57:42 PM
I remembered being a big fan of Ulver's Bergtatt, but I hadn't played it in maybe 15 or more years. One of those (greats) that slips through the cracks. What a masterpiece. Bona fide. Now that I have a lot more experience with various types of music, like prog and Nordic folk; I can appreciate Bergtatt even more. I feel this album could be akin to something like Captain Beyond. In years to come, the clued will wonder how such a truly great album went unnoticed in its time and basically continues to go unnoticed. Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.
Nattens Madrigal was HUGE for me in the late 90's and Bergtatt was a close second. I have truly lost any connection with contemporary black metal (although the 90's stuff I still really click with of course), but these seemingly always make their way into the rotation when I'm in the mood for black metal along with the early Emperor albums. I do recall thinking Bergtatt was a tad "soft" and "not grimm enough" in comparison to NM and yet it's aged perfectly for me. CM did reissues of the first three albums a few years ago and they really did a great job. I framed the Nattens Madrigal poster that accompanied it and it is the highlight of my record room.
I could never really get into Nattens. I revisited it a few days ago and still feel the same. After the masterwork of Bergtatt and the great beauty of Kveldssanger, that was a shift in direction I had no interest following. I think I understand what they were doing there, but eh...novelty.
I do think --though I also find this reason for lack of interest completely asinine and ridiculous-- they made a real mistake and poor calculation in not originally releasing the first two on LP. It was just still too anti-CD then, and black metalheads were every bit as obsessed with records as the punks.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 13, 2018, 02:36:56 AM
I could never really get into Nattens. I revisited it a few days ago and still feel the same. After the masterwork of Bergtatt and the great beauty of Kveldssanger, that was a shift in direction I had no interest following. I think I understand what they were doing there, but eh...novelty.
I do think --though I also find this reason for lack of interest completely asinine and ridiculous-- they made a real mistake and poor calculation in not originally releasing the first two on LP. It was just still too anti-CD then, and black metalheads were every bit as obsessed with records as the punks.
I remember reading somewhere that Nattens Madrigal was made as a reactionary record that they did to prove they could write better records than Darkthrone and the like ... which sort of explains the radical shift in sound to black metal by numbers and then into much stranger territory immediately following it. I was under the impression that the early records were regarded as classics and staples of the genre
I'm revisiting Bergtatt now and I definitely think it has aged better than Nattens Madrigal. Or is it a symptom of me being 38 and not 18? Or how about that I'm playing it on a nice grown up stereo vs a tape I dubbed of the CD with shit headphones? The variables are endless! This truly is a beautiful album, that mixes the folky acoustic bits really well with the endless riffing. There's a part in track III that sounds like a door slamming right in the middle of the song and that moment always reminds me of how "hypnotic" this record is because every time I zone out to the max and that one moment just sets me right back in to the album. It's sheer brilliance. The bass playing is absolutely stellar as well on this record, not too flashy but definitely more than just marking the root, it's an absolute highlight.
My love for Nattens Madrigal will never change. I remember the endless stupid commentary/myth-making about it being recorded in a forest at midnight or whatever inane bullshit people made up and the endless forum backlash..... still sounds great to me!!!
Quote from: totalblack on July 13, 2018, 02:54:20 AMI remember reading somewhere that Nattens Madrigal was made as a reactionary record that they did to prove they could write better records than Darkthrone and the like ... which sort of explains the radical shift in sound to black metal by numbers and then into much stranger territory immediately following it.
That's interesting. Never heard that. I can't say I ever heard any folklore about Nattens, but that scene was never on my radar. There's no reason I would have heard it, but now that we're talking, it sounds like fun.
Quote from: totalblack on July 13, 2018, 02:54:20 AMI was under the impression that the early records were regarded as classics and staples of the genre
I really shouldn't make any declarations about black metal. I probably couldn't be any further removed from it. I hope I didn't come across as if I were. What I was hoping to communicate was that they're both so well done that I would think they could appeal at a high level to audiences not of the black metal variety. I would think the folkies would be genuinely impressed. The proggers as well. The goth metallers and Projektights too. etc. I'm probably kidding myself. Ved Beuns Ende was pretty great, and they didn't get any deserved crosstalk.
I'll echo the above that these Ulver records suffered greatly at the hands of the CD (pic LP limited to 300) mentality of the 90's as the overall aesthetic of all three early records are absolutely stunning, the reissues look absolutely beautiful and really highlight the music within. I'm on to NM now and wow, did this album define my teen years in a lot of ways. It's so interesting to see the shift in perception towards production in black metal, this just does not really sound as "raw" as it's referenced. It's got a ton of fantastic riffs on it and the production suits it. It's efinitely a slap in the face compared to Bergtatt but definitely not this sloppy nightmare joke record it's defined as.
Incidentally Ulver have left me completely cold post NM, I went back to Shadows of the Sun recently and it was just not anything I could get into. Same with the Sunn/Ulver collab but I did really and truly love that Aethenor record with the blue cover "En Form for Bla" I think? Once I hit up some early Emperor that's going on.
I enjoy everything up until ~2003 ... Perdition City in particular for whatever reason has a special place in my heart even though its just weird pop \ downtempo \ trip hop ... As much as I love the mid era Beherit weirdness of H418ov21.C and Electric Doom Synthesis, Ulver just did it better in my opinion
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 12, 2018, 06:57:42 PM
Despite the black metal segments, I don't understand why this album isn't/couldn't/won't be relatively huge and well known across a handful of audiences.
To me it always seemed Ulver is way bigger than any typical Black Metal? Maybe it's different in different countries. But over here, any works of Ulver seems to be widely listened, acknowledged way beyond "bm audience".
That said, band has never been much of interest of mine. Beyond 1st and 3rd album, I never heard anything really interesting. These two also rarely end up to my stereos because both albums having lots of good things, also have things I don't care for. One major obstacle the gentle sounding boyish choir vocals in debut. In both albums the advanced musicianship often is turn off. I don't mean BM needs to be played like shit, but there is often sort of "musicians having fun" feel to Ulver - whatever era we talk about.
I've always felt like Ulver's music (I know nothing after "Nattens Madrigal" though) was much more conceptual and arty than the other black metal bands' music from the same location and time. No satanism, no corpsepaints, no kvlt label, no stupid production (except for "Nattens Madrigal", which is why the band is revered in BM circles I think, but ultimately, it's much more thought out than a Gorgoroth album, if I may say so), nothing that'd make them stand out besides incredibble musicianship and talent in songwriting. That's a shame.
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago. Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it. I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there. Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal? The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way. They're also funny. What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal? Is that tongue-in-cheek? Something common to underground culture in Norway? Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FWbcP8b8v2Y/VdYbAEc9J8I/AAAAAAAAEb4/cvrID3MDA5U/s1600/4.jpg)
I support the use of hard drugs for Youth Of Today. Then, maybe, MAYBE Ray Cappo will manage to make some decent music once in his lifetime.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 14, 2018, 01:05:02 AM
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago. Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it. I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there. Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal? The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way. They're also funny. What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal? Is that tongue-in-cheek? Something common to underground culture in Norway? Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.
I was always under the impression that LSD was their vice of choice. Great album in any case.
http://www.mysticum.com/beer/ (http://www.mysticum.com/beer/)
Quote from: FallOfNature on July 15, 2018, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 14, 2018, 01:05:02 AM
I'd never heard Mysticum - In The Streams of Inferno 1996 before a couple days ago. Some noteworthy atmosphere and vibe, and I like the feel the electronic drums give it. I'm not seeing any credits for synths, but they're there. Or is that some kind of guitar triggered MIDI deal? The photos on the Peaceville reissue are creepy in a deranged, not mentally well way. They're also funny. What's the deal with the hard drug connexion and black metal? Is that tongue-in-cheek? Something common to underground culture in Norway? Obviously, heroine etc isn't unique to Norway or black metal, but since it seems to be something specifically mentioned on albums, I'm curious.
I was always under the impression that LSD was their vice of choice. Great album in any case.
ah, that's different. I don't consider LSD a hard drug. Different animal.
This is definitely my favourite album promo. You'll take it with what seriousness you will, I think it's both cornily entertaining and genuinely interesting. They talk a bit more about their drug "obsession" describing the first track.
"LSD" and "The Ether" really are excellent tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUPR3WBkFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUPR3WBkFU)
Mysticum was always a standout band in the Norwegian scene. Even in later years when everyone was getting magazine covers etc. they were still dangerous for real. I think more the connection is to take heeps of chemical drugs and then top it off with LSD. I did a rap demo (yeah...) around 2000 and sampled the last ambient track of the "Streams.." album. Somehow this landed in the hands of the guys and i met up with them via some mutual friends, they were into harsh rap at the time so it was good. But they have the appereance more of Blasphemy and such than any other norwegian bands . Also Black Magic Mushrooms 7" is such an insane track. Hard techno and electronic music resonated a lot in Norway at the time.
As a response to some Ulver discussions also, i think they and a few other of the norwegian contemporaries took the electronic impulses a bit too far in a shallow way. It seems like a few of them just listened to some Mo' Wax or the likes and just wanted to replace real drums with that and=avantgarde. Dødheimsgard is really a victim of this mindset. Satanic Art is great, 666 is cheesy as hell and the next one is just a disgrace. But i think Ulver always had a too clean approach to experimentation, as so many of their contemporaries. It seems like a good idea to experiment with boundaries of Black metal, but i think the failure was in that they was already too tied up in record deals with producers etc. It was always experimenting with expensive synth patches and choirs, getting a famous violin guy or some shit in the studio. Not going into the woods or a shed and banging on shit with a walkman etc. It became too clean too fast.
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.
Quote from: DSOL on July 18, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.
Impatiently waiting for that to arrive.
The Black - Priest Of Satan reissue + merchandise is up for pre-order at Osmose for anyone interested.
thanks for the heads up on The Black reissue. such an underrated record
Quote from: holy ghost on July 13, 2018, 03:47:34 AM
I'll echo the above that these Ulver records suffered greatly at the hands of the CD (pic LP limited to 300) mentality of the 90's as the overall aesthetic of all three early records are absolutely stunning, the reissues look absolutely beautiful and really highlight the music within. I'm on to NM now and wow, did this album define my teen years in a lot of ways. It's so interesting to see the shift in perception towards production in black metal, this just does not really sound as "raw" as it's referenced. It's got a ton of fantastic riffs on it and the production suits it. It's efinitely a slap in the face compared to Bergtatt but definitely not this sloppy nightmare joke record it's defined as.
Incidentally Ulver have left me completely cold post NM, I went back to Shadows of the Sun recently and it was just not anything I could get into. Same with the Sunn/Ulver collab but I did really and truly love that Aethenor record with the blue cover "En Form for Bla" I think? Once I hit up some early Emperor that's going on.
That Aethenor record is great, I wish I could find free-improv records as good as that. Supersilent seems similar, but I haven't got the chance to pick any of theirs up yet.
NM is a favorite of mine too. For some reason, when I was younger I used to many times come home from bar and put it on when I went to sleep. Hymne VI is epic!
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating. I've been thinking about this album for a couple days. Any recommendations for bands or albums similar? I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.
That Martyrium album reminds me of Immortal's "Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism" a lot.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 04, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating. I've been thinking about this album for a couple days. Any recommendations for bands or albums similar? I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.
Funereal Presence, the solo project of Bestial Devotion (drummer/vocalist of Negative Plane).
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on August 06, 2018, 02:54:50 AM
Quote from: Zeno Marx on August 04, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta 1994 - also new to me and from a Negative Plane recommendation - rich and resonating. I've been thinking about this album for a couple days. Any recommendations for bands or albums similar? I don't know why, but it also got me thinking about Stargazer and Mortuary Drape.
Funereal Presence, the solo project of Bestial Devotion (drummer/vocalist of Negative Plane).
Ah yeah. Thanks for jogging my memory. Both releases had their own thing happening. Both really, really good.
some good and interesting stuff happening on Wagner Ödegård - Om Domedag och de Femton Järtekn. catchy, too.
Quote from: FallOfNature on July 18, 2018, 06:22:03 PM
Quote from: DSOL on July 18, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
if anyone liked the Mooncitadel demo, the new EP is just as good.
Impatiently waiting for that to arrive.
The Black - Priest Of Satan reissue + merchandise is up for pre-order at Osmose for anyone interested.
Have to pick that up at some point.
Also TULUS vinyl reissues coming next month. Can't wait.
I'm pretty burned out on contemporary black metal but I'm not gonna lie, the news of a new TEITANBLOOD LP are pretty god damned exciting.
been digging this a lot. finnish emperor worship for the current era. the layering and atmosphere is top-notch. highly recommend a listen
https://youtu.be/_2Fn0ukN8hI (https://youtu.be/_2Fn0ukN8hI)
Peaceville just reissued Obtained Enslavement' second album on LP too. Symphonic BM doesn't get better than this.
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Tetragrammacide
if you like Fullmoon early Graveland
Veles
Quote from: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Tetragrammacide
if you like Fullmoon early Graveland
Veles
must check tetragrammacide out, i know the others. thx!
also recommend
Methgoat
Human Agony
Ululatum Tollunt
Nexul
Quote from: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
also recommend
Methgoat
Human Agony
Ululatum Tollunt
Nexul
thanks man!
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Well, you can for one read the NWN forum. It seems that what you like fits exactly with what they spend their time talking all day long. I don't like that kind of black metal but Bestial Warlust, Abominator or Corpse Molestation always do the job when needed. Try Perversor too, maybe? And some of the Danish bands affiliated with Blodfest like Nastran, Luciation, etc... And Bestial Summoning too.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Well, you can for one read the NWN forum. It seems that what you like fits exactly with what they spend their time talking all day long. I don't like that kind of black metal but Bestial Warlust, Abominator or Corpse Molestation always do the job when needed. Try Perversor too, maybe? And some of the Danish bands affiliated with Blodfest like Nastran, Luciation, etc... And Bestial Summoning too.
i know these bands, actually i am from denmark myself, hehe. the typical war metal don't interest me much, what i am looking for is ultra-noisy no-fi bands like for example nyogthaeblisz. of course i like blasphemy and bestial warlust, but all the clones don't interest me much. not so much black metal, but reek of the unzen gas fumes also kind of hits the spot for me. and intolitarian - they at least have war metal influences. but i guess not many bands are doing these rawer-than-raw almost noise things, and sometimes it's perhaps by accident, ha..
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.
pretty much every band I listed for him fits into the sound he is looking for especially Tetragrammacide & Methgoat who could be considered very heavily influenced by Nyogthaeblisz
if he wanted sketchy aesthetic I'm pretty sure he would asked for bands with sketchy aesthetic and not looking for a particular style of black metal
Quote from: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on March 26, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
So I can't help. No offense but I don't think you're looking for a particular sound but for some bands that fit some vague, sketchy aesthetic (SSP stuff) and that the Internet crowds like.
I don't think those bands have much musical value (besides Fullmoon, and they're not even that great compared to most of the other bands from the TOF.
pretty much every band I listed for him fits into the sound he is looking for especially Tetragrammacide & Methgoat who could be considered very heavily influenced by Nyogthaeblisz
if he wanted sketchy aesthetic I'm pretty sure he would asked for bands with sketchy aesthetic and not looking for a particular style of black metal
You posted as I was typing my reply. Also, 5 bands don't make a particular style and Intolitarian don't sound like Goatpenis nor Fullmoon. Their only common denominator is some pseudo ideology. Anyway, no time for arguing, it seems the only black metal discussed on the Internet is the one created by the Internet and I don't really care about that. Good luck with your search.
I just released a Human Agony / Methgoat split LP on Analog Worship, should be up your alley. Raw and noisy as hell.
Quote from: yosef666 on March 26, 2019, 09:02:10 PM
I just released a Human Agony / Methgoat split LP on Analog Worship, should be up your alley. Raw and noisy as hell.
nice, will check it out
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Tsalal - ללַצָ
Quote from: FallOfNature on March 27, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Tsalal - ללַצָ
Great recommendation.
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Black/Death:
Hellvetron
Witchcraft
Teitanblood
For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg
Quote from: FallOfNature on March 27, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
Tsalal - ללַצָ
might be the first time I've gone to metal archives and not found a recommendation
Quote from: sunandsteel on March 27, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg
Not much "Absurd" in these mentioned bands I think.
I'd recommend for example:
Dämonenblut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyh7HjvKDI
Wolfsmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4gZCeTEEo
Heldentum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NR54nYVT6U
Altar of Perversion - From Dead Temples was just reissued by AJNA. Mandatory if you do not own it.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on March 27, 2019, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: sunandsteel on March 27, 2019, 04:28:04 PM
For Fullmoon/Absurd:
Thor's Hammer
Totenburg
Malphas
Fatherland
White Medal
Infernum
Thunderbolt (first few releases)
Swastyka
Nitberg
Not much "Absurd" in these mentioned bands I think.
I'd recommend for example:
Dämonenblut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyh7HjvKDI
Wolfsmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV4gZCeTEEo
Heldentum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NR54nYVT6U
Many Nebelfee Klangwerke label related bands play very similiar type Black Metal that the Wolf/Unhold-era Absurd played. Permafrost, Ewiges Reich, Antiphrasis, Suicide Solution...
For more obscure recommendations about Absurd-type bands, a good one is Finnish INSANE APOLLYON, which was eponymous solo project of ex-Vornat vocalist. He did not record much before his suicide in 1997. Breath of Pestilence releases the survived recordings in CD format last year. https://youtu.be/21G6f1suWu4
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on March 26, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
my black metal listening the past few weeks have pretty much consisted of nyogthaeblisz, goatpenis, fullmoon, asgardsrei by absurd and some not-really-BM stuff like intolitarian.. getting a little jaded, though.. as can be seen, i prefer the rawest possible stuff.. anyone got some suggestions?
Abhorer demos, Fear Of God.
thx for alle the rex! know the lot, but some bands are new to me, gotta go check em out
Grausamkeit! Completely insane german raw black metal. I know nothing of the german scene but the whole Saarland black metal scene is just what I look for. Narbentage being main label releasing material. The reissue of Mimir's 1997 tape they're doing is perfect raw bm. Check out bands on the now defunctbParasyte Curse label too; Durazsis are excellent.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on March 27, 2019, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: FallOfNature on March 27, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
Tsalal - ללַצָ
might be the first time I've gone to metal archives and not found a recommendation
I think some bands are found to be too much noise therefore not real metal and thus deemed "not worthy". Same thing with Obskuritatem is found too noisy.
Otherwise related to black metal i was just listening to Libertus, the album from Aptorian Demon. A really good record with a sinister feel to it, but much overlooked due to being from Trondheim and not being released on Terratur Possessions.
Quote from: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
Methgoat
This is an actual band name?? Hahah holy fuck! I have seemed to dropped off from the newest Black Metal bands then... Methgoat. What's next, Heroindevil?!
Quote from: Salute on April 17, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: DSOL on March 26, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
Methgoat
This is an actual band name?? Hahah holy fuck! I have seemed to dropped off from the newest Black Metal bands then... Methgoat. What's next, Heroindevil?!
Well, I don't see why not. That element of Black Metal that's into a really scummy, anti-everything image. If Satan wants you to ruin your life with drugs before killing other people and yourself then a band name paying tribute to gutter drugs makes sense. There'd have to be more overtly drug worshipping BM bands around, Doom Metal can't have all the fun.
Had a listen to Methgoat on Bandcamp and they're not bad, very noisy to the point that some tracks have no discernible riffs as such. I tend towards that kind of thing in the right mood.
Yeah I know that there's a lot of this decay/self-destruction promoting Black Metal and drugs seem to be an essential part of the scene, at least for the artists themselves. The name of the band still stands out quite stupid to me.
Departure Chandelier - Antichrist Rise To Power.
AOTY right now
Yes, Departure Chandelier album is incredible. Is it available still anywhere? Funny to think it's (mostly) the same guys behind Serpent Crest.
i was able to grab a copy from Arcane Altar but I think he is sold out now (didn't think it was going to sell out so fast, so I didn't order a copy from NWN right away), I think some distros in Europe might still have copies
NWN said a 2nd press is coming, but it'll be 6-8 weeks
Thanks for the heads up.
Been pretty burned on the current scene but spent the weekend with the best of the Greek black metal gems - Rotting Christ, Varathron, Thou Art Lord, Death Courier. And then of course I just move right on to Dead Congregation. Those Greeks really know how to riff man.... that opening to the first Dead Congregation is just permanently etched in my brain!!
The Greek scene was/is excellent. Is there any newer bands worth checking out?
I rcommend Obsequiae. Not Greek, but certainly playing in the Hellenic style. Huge Rotting Christ vibe.
Dead Congregation, and Wamyprinacht's We Will be Watching were excellent too.
Necromantic Worship have a Hellenic style/vibe to them - not Greek though
Never was too big on the "Hellenic" style, although greek bands Der Sturmer, Wolfnacht, and Nocternity are among my favorite black metal bands. Untouchable.
Thank you to for the recommendations dug it all. I think der stormer is a great band dig their style alot.
Cosmic Church & Shores of Ladon & Ride for Revenge
When I was going through my 90's black metal binge a few months ago, Cosmic Church and Shores of Ladon would have been welcomed. I particularly like the fuller dynamics of Täyttymys.
Ride for Revenge is interesting. I love the title "Sinking the Song". The song "Naked and Ready" reminds me of something Greg Ginn from Black Flag would have done. That opening dissonant lead.
All the early Ride for Revenge albums are amazing. Once they started doing basically an album a year they started entering rocky territory. I never went back to Enter the Gauntlet and I actually forget which was the good one out of Ageless Powers Arise and Thy Horrendous Yearning. I haven't heard Sinking the Song but did just pick up the reissue of Wisdom of the Few.
I´m not a metaler at all but do like the odd one, for some unknown reason i recently bought the double-lp of Russian band DEVORATOR, "By the Steps of Demon-Beast 1997-1999". I find it really good and pretty strange. I have to admit that i first accidentaly played it on 45rpm and was just thrilled at how weird it sounded... but it still has a great, mysterious vibe at 33 as well.
Really impressed by this lately, seems to have gone majorly under the radar. Bit of a Demoncy vibe with the vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-2hw7yTzDY&t=393s
Quote from: absurdexposition on May 13, 2019, 10:40:38 PM
All the early Ride for Revenge albums are amazing. Once they started doing basically an album a year they started entering rocky territory. I never went back to Enter the Gauntlet and I actually forget which was the good one out of Ageless Powers Arise and Thy Horrendous Yearning. I haven't heard Sinking the Song but did just pick up the reissue of Wisdom of the Few.
I couldn't disagree more regarding the more recent output! RFR are unfuckwithable. They have yet to release anything that disappoints.
Quote from: Hemwick on May 10, 2019, 09:10:49 PM
The Greek scene was/is excellent. Is there any newer bands worth checking out?
Caedes Cruenta. Ereipia Psychon from a few years ago is a fantastic album and it really oozes the old Greek sound.
If you're looking for a band that really nails the Greek sound, Ceremonial Torture is my personal favorite. The demos have been on rotation for the past few months here.
https://youtu.be/HlGiUnTkE9Y
Thanks. Will check out for sure. Not a Greek band or style but I've been listening to void meditation cult a lot lately
check out Sperm of Antichrist if you like VMC
Quote from: ritualabuser on May 21, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
If you're looking for a band that really nails the Greek sound, Ceremonial Torture is my personal favorite. The demos have been on rotation for the past few months here.
https://youtu.be/HlGiUnTkE9Y
I'll check this out - I'm always wary of non-Greeks doing the Greek thing (See: Sacryphx great 7" underwhelming LP) but I would love to be proven wrong
Quote from: DSOL on May 21, 2019, 11:31:48 PM
check out Sperm of Antichrist if you like VMC
I dig them too, i got their split with VMC. Both are excellent that style is so good. If anyone can recommend more bands in this style please do. I familiar with some of the bands that do the whispered vocals but I'm curious to hear more obscure bands
Beherit
Demoncy
Irkallian Oracle
Perverted Ceremony
Hellvetron (vocals aren't whispered)
Quote from: DSOL on May 22, 2019, 04:34:00 PM
Beherit
Demoncy
Irkallian Oracle
Perverted Ceremony
Hellvetron (vocals aren't whispered)
Thank you. I've heard all but perverted ceremony. Hellvetron is on constantly at my house. Seven scrolls is so good. I love how the vocals are buried in the mix just a perfect sound. Going to check out pervert ceremony when I get off work and have time to give it a full attention
new Hellvetron coming out in August on Iron Bonehead
I can't wait to get that new Hellvetron. Any material from them is always welcome. Anyone here familiar with Mhorgl. I have one album by them and think greit's great. Fast violent got great riffs and drumming is excellent
Quote from: Hemwick on May 23, 2019, 12:04:13 AM
Anyone here familiar with Mhorgl.
Australian band? If so, yes. Those guys have been playing BM in various bands since the 90's. Cannot remember how they sound though.
Quote from: FallOfNature on May 23, 2019, 12:30:21 AM
Quote from: Hemwick on May 23, 2019, 12:04:13 AM
Anyone here familiar with Mhorgl.
Australian band? If so, yes. Those guys have been playing BM in various bands since the 90's. Cannot remember how they sound though.
Yeah that's the one. I've had their on album for years and great. Very unhinged and catchy, almost reminds of speed up destroyer 666. Not a blur of mindnumbing war metal. The Australian metal scene had a great sound. I might be wrong and probably am I think their drummer plays with or played in at one point Impeity.
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Song sample for Sinthgunt can be heard on the Perished Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/user-516363096
Both releases available this Saturday, 12PM EST.
Thanks.
Was searching for typical "cold" black metal this winter beyond the usual suspects i have played to death, and discovered Tenebrae in Perpetuum from Italy. Holy fuck they nail the style to perfection.
Also waiting impatiently for my Ultra Silvam lp to arrive, the demo was perfect in Katharsis tradition.
I picked up the reissue of the early Hungarian thrasher FANTOM, with the demo "Lucifer Jelenj Meg" and some raw rehearsal stuff recently and must have filed it away without playing it, I'm spinning it now after the discussion about FOAD in the noisecore thread and holy shit this is some top shelf raw Iron Curtain thrash! Total early Sodom worship with great raw production and those ice-pick wild trebly solos that are so crucial for this sort of stuff.
I really wish these reissues had more of an oral history feeling in the liner notes, after visiting Hungary last year it's really fascinating how these bands existed behind the Iron Curtain and I'd love to hear more stories about what it was like. I heard some stories from people when I was there who were basically like "can you imagine what it was like being a punk/metal head in the 90's when everyone before you was a metalhead under communism!?"
I dunno if this belongs to bandcamp/soundcloud topic or here, but here's some blackthrash from Finland:
https://apparitionfin.bandcamp.com/releases
Physical release will be out at somepoint...
Niddhoggr demo Final Agony repressed is perfection. Depressive and melodic, never running a riff into the ground.
Been really on a Morbid Angel kick lately - finding a lot of quality riffs in Formulas Fatal to the Flesh and Gateways as well as the early bangers. Particularly enthused with the slow chugga Thrash riffing of "Invocation of the Continual One".
I also heard Blood Incantation are recording a new LP at the present time. Hoping they tour again - last time they were here it was absolutely stellar.
Quote from: holy ghost on June 26, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
Been really on a Morbid Angel kick lately - finding a lot of quality riffs in Formulas Fatal to the Flesh and Gateways as well as the early bangers. Particularly enthused with the slow chugga Thrash riffing of "Invocation of the Continual One".
I also heard Blood Incantation are recording a new LP at the present time. Hoping they tour again - last time they were here it was absolutely stellar.
Blood Incantation is doing a full tour with Immolation in October
Welp, black metal is the thing that got me into HNW. Its seemed to take even further the pain and aguish in tones. Raw black metal often is complained about how noisy it is. For example one of my absolute favorite BM bands is Black Cilice. For every review or comment I hear about them is the complaint to the noise going on. Raw black metal and lo-fi BM have always been my favorite way to go. I find everything that they do to be of utmost satisfaction to me and this s the reason do a zine based on raw BM and HNW. I find that they intertwine. They all sound so excellent on cassette tape. They are often short runs of homemade/handmade/home dubbed physical manifestations of mostly mysterious personalities etc. The HNW community seams very open and friendly. The black metal community is a little darker, but I don't mind, because I personally find that HNW and BM both can be so cathartic and fucking awesome! Also, it would be unfair not to mention 2 raw BM bands that also do noise---Ride for Revenge & Akitsa. Both totally worth checking out and blur the lines between both genres.
Quote from: sbtdoh on July 04, 2019, 07:08:33 AMAkitsa
Was introduced to them just a few days ago by an online friend. Quite satisfying.
Right on! what album you listening to?
Quote from: sbtdoh on July 08, 2019, 06:12:26 AM
Right on! what album you listening to?
Well, I think it was "La Grande Infamie" that I first heard, but it's "Prophétie Hérétique" and the collaboration with Thesyre that I personally dig. I like the lo-fi feel on "Aube de la Misanthropie", despite the acoustic guitar tracks (which do nothing for me) "Les Massacre des Puritans" is a nice, dreary, dirgey track.
To my ears, though, they don't really meet up with a cross between BM and Noise. They're raw, very, but stay within the BM parameters.
The last Akitsa album is really good. Not many bands keep on being interesting for so many years!
This will be available next week
https://soundcloud.com/slavechandelier/un-jour-sans-matin
http://slavechandelier.blogspot.com/2019/07/fresnes-interview.html
AVAILABLE NOW!
SANDWORM / NÄCHTLICH SPLIT CS
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Perished Soil is honored to unleash another split release of unholy Black Metal, this time between the scornful Sandworm and the contemptuous Nächtlich. This rancid split in particular is unique as it's a cassingle style release with each band spewing a single, hateful song per side. No audio samples but expect nothing but the rawest recordings yet from these shadowy figures...
Also included with the split is a heavy weight business card with exclusive artwork, dedicated to each owner, and a 1" matte button of the Perished Soil emblem, all enclosed inside a resealable poly bag.
NÄCHTLICH CS
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Militantly standing strong and defiant, Nächtlich expels one last freeze onto the living with their debut album. Harnessing their might from the glorious winters of Canada, Nächtlich tramples the blossoms of summer and banishes all who praise this worthless season of joy.
Looking across the sea, Nachtlich honors the wisdom of the Polish and German masters that not long ago, crushed the light of hope and infested Europe with audio horror. However Nachtlich also turns their gaze further North to continue the euphoric and ominous path started by Count Grishnackh.
Proudly inhale this frigid air of winter and tear off every pedal of summer, for the winds of the North never die!
REPRESS on white tape shells.
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Found Remains will be the only distro carrying both titles. Orders ship 7/25/19!
Thanks.
been jamming the fuck out of this one lately:
https://youtu.be/An96Z-BMMko (https://youtu.be/An96Z-BMMko)
Quote from: ricjaff on July 17, 2019, 08:01:36 AM
been jamming the fuck out of this one lately:
https://youtu.be/An96Z-BMMko (https://youtu.be/An96Z-BMMko)
Was about to praise this same project.
It seems the label (Wolfspell Records) still has the LP for sale.
I was totally obsessed with Cultes des Ghoules for a long period around the time of their first and second LPs - I didn't pick up the Coven 3LP and just realized they have another new album out. I could probably just Spotify then before buying but does this band still "got it"?
I love that heavy bass they have and the feeling like you're living in a stinky crypt surrounded by rats but I'm also wary of a 3LP rock opera/black metal concept album....
Totale Vernichtung vinyl reissues have been in heavy rotation lately. Truly unique black metal.
Quote from: holy ghost on July 22, 2019, 06:13:24 PM
I was totally obsessed with Cultes des Ghoules for a long period around the time of their first and second LPs - I didn't pick up the Coven 3LP and just realized they have another new album out. I could probably just Spotify then before buying but does this band still "got it"?
I love that heavy bass they have and the feeling like you're living in a stinky crypt surrounded by rats but I'm also wary of a 3LP rock opera/black metal concept album....
I didn't listen to the Coven one but coming from similar background the newest didn't really grab me instantly like Häxan or Hembane. It could grow on me but it's still missing the filthy and murky atmosphere you mentioned. I might actually put Häxan on now.
Quote from: Decrepitude on July 23, 2019, 10:00:24 PM
I didn't listen to the Coven one but coming from similar background the newest didn't really grab me instantly like Häxan or Hembane. It could grow on me but it's still missing the filthy and murky atmosphere you mentioned. I might actually put Häxan on now.
Thanks for the feedback - I might order the newest one and just skip Coven for the time being. It's seemingly the only thing they've released that's not gone instantly out of print - if using discogs sales as a metric for quality is reasonable? I think so....
Just got the Beherit "Drawing Down the Moon"reissue direct from KVLT. I love stuff like Witchcraft/Black Feast and Perverted Ceremony that R.I.P. off Beherit hard but this LP has something so unbelievable that just cannot be replicated.... great work from KVLT on this one!
I have to mention Sale Freux from France. Amazing BM and truly underground individual.
I've just released this on tape. Love both the music and the artwork.
https://nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/sale-freux-demain-d-s-laube-tape
Sapthuran have always tickled a certain bone for me. That bone being cold and atmo USBM that doesn't quite fall into the Cascadia scene I guess.
https://wraithproductions.bandcamp.com/album/in-hatred (https://wraithproductions.bandcamp.com/album/in-hatred)
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
Quote from: holy ghost on August 10, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
Do you listen to Thy Sepulchral Moon? It sounds like a band you might enjoy.
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Quote from: holy ghost on August 10, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
Do you listen to Thy Sepulchral Moon? It sounds like a band you might enjoy.
I'll check it out - I appreciate the suggestion!
I'm also checking out Moenen of Xezbeth which is almost what I want but not quite there. I can't get into black metal seriously when it's from like, Wyoming or some shit but if you're Belgian or Finnish I'm willing to give it more of a pass. Irrational personal bias.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on August 10, 2019, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: holy ghost on August 10, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
Do you listen to Thy Sepulchral Moon? It sounds like a band you might enjoy.
I'll check it out - I appreciate the suggestion!
I'm also checking out Moenen of Xezbeth which is almost what I want but not quite there. I can't get into black metal seriously when it's from like, Wyoming or some shit but if you're Belgian or Finnish I'm willing to give it more of a pass. Irrational personal bias.
Honestly, a bias against American black metal is not the worst musical bias you could have. From what it looks like on bandcamp, most American black metal bands play some form of generic and totally uninteresting "atmospheric" black metal or dsbm. I am sure that there are some good ones, but it would take some work to find them.
Blasting "Pure Holocaust" and "Antichrist" on my way to work, sticking to the classics.
Also, having spent a fair amount of time in Scandinavia and passed through Belgium as well, I don't see how Belgium would inspire anyone to play black metal. I mean, OK, Charleroi is one of the grimmest places on Earth, but not in an Immortal kind of way haha.
Also, I don't know but bands like Profanatica, Absu, Night Conquers Day, Judas Iscariot, Black Funeral, etc, come from various US places and man did/do they rule and took/take their BM seriously.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on August 14, 2019, 08:46:42 AM
Blasting "Pure Holocaust" and "Antichrist" on my way to work, sticking to the classics.
Also, having spent a fair amount of time in Scandinavia and passed through Belgium as well, I don't see how Belgium would inspire anyone to play black metal. I mean, OK, Charleroi is one of the grimmest places on Earth, but not in an Immortal kind of way haha.
Also, I don't know but bands like Profanatica, Absu, Night Conquers Day, Judas Iscariot, Black Funeral, etc, come from various US places and man did/do they rule and took/take their BM seriously.
Xasthur is another US black metal band that is really good - Nyogthaeblisz is awesome too. There are definitely some really great bands from the US, but I'm not sure that there are any equivalent scenes to other parts of the world at this point in time (such as current scenes in Finland or Sri Lanka).
Quote from: holy ghost on August 10, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
preach. I love a bit of Revenge as much as the next guy, but some of the stuff of that ilk coming out now is just bordering on self-parody
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Quote from: holy ghost on August 10, 2019, 01:47:30 AM
Perverted Ceremony/Witchcraft LP coming in October - for my money this Beherit worship/spooky whispered vocal type of raw black metal is the only thing tickling my monkey right now. I'm absolutely bored of the riff-less sexgoatfago gasmask core stuff that I was super chuffed about forever. I can get down with the classics and newer stuff like Teitanblood but no one is doing much exciting (imho). Break out the fuckin' capes and spooky candelabras and shit.
preach. I love a bit of Revenge as much as the next guy, but some of the stuff of that ilk coming out now is just bordering on self-parody
I'd say beyond "bordering", that style jumped the shark once people started copying the boring copies of Revenge and Nyogthaeblisz right down to their artwork.
I've been hard-pressed to find many newer bands that have stuck with me beyond a sample(the aforementioned PC and especially Witchcraft are definite exceptions), but Obrok has fit the bill. Stuff that claims to sound like old Black Crucifixion, Samael, and Varathron...and actually delivers:
https://youtu.be/MXRQ4wY3c0g
Also seemingly lesser-known gems in the South American scene Asaradel and Behemoth have been in fairly regular rotation since picking up the compilation CDs a few years ago. Recommended to any fan of doomy, rotten, lo-fi black metal.
Asaradel:
https://youtu.be/6CRMaD9hDl8
Behemoth:
https://youtu.be/mSqZlkN325Q
have to agree with the above for the most part.. although i have enjoyed death worship as of late. a shame, 'cause this kind of bm can be some of my favourite musick when done right.. i guess the style became too codified, or something.
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on August 16, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
have to agree with the above for the most part.. although i have enjoyed death worship as of late. a shame, 'cause this kind of bm can be some of my favourite musick when done right.. i guess the style became too codified, or something.
The Death Worship debut ep was really good, but I never listened to their full length. The Asian war metal scene is really strong right now, though - lots of noise influence in their work. They manage to avoid a lot of the generic war metal stylings of many bands, yet remain appealing to the genre's roots.
some Ildjarny stuff, along with some power-violence hardcorey stuff (wish there was more). is there much black metal like the first track or two? members in a hardcore band too?
https://nykta.gr/album/blood-poetry
While far closer to the hc end of the spectrum, City Hunter hit some similar notes
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/deep-blood
Ritual Knife too
https://ritual-knife.bandcamp.com/
Bone Awl still hold the title though.
Lately just been down in a hole with Grausamkeit, Rost Orchester, Totale Vernichtung, and Beherit.
Quote from: Eigen Bast on August 16, 2019, 10:19:16 PM
While far closer to the hc end of the spectrum, City Hunter hit some similar notes
https://youthattack.bandcamp.com/album/deep-blood
Ritual Knife too
https://ritual-knife.bandcamp.com/
Bone Awl still hold the title though.
Lately just been down in a hole with Grausamkeit, Rost Orchester, Totale Vernichtung, and Beherit.
Oh yeah. City Hunter. Blogged and Quartered had that on their top of 2018 list. Bone Awl isn't as literal, for lack of a better way to put it, as those Hatespirit tracks.
Anyone know anything about Irkallian Oracle? I really liked the last album, great drum sound for sure, and that was almost 4 years ago. I know that "caverncore" isn't what it used to be in terms of popularity but that band is top notch.
For anyone interested, a track from Diabolus Flagellation, a project between myself and Witchcraft members that's paying homage to the South American style of BM: https://m.soundcloud.com/reptilewomb/diabolus-flagellation-sodomy-in-pentagram
Quote from: ritualabuser on August 28, 2019, 03:50:05 AM
For anyone interested, a track from Diabolus Flagellation, a project between myself and Witchcraft members that's paying homage to the South American style of BM: https://m.soundcloud.com/reptilewomb/diabolus-flagellation-sodomy-in-pentagram
this is a ripper
https://elderbloodproductions.bigcartel.com/
"Shanhai is a series demonstration of potentially hidden myth regarding epic legends in ancient mythology. A clandestine pagan folklore first-ever written from the stand point of notorious nemeses, who often depicted as the villains in most official historical documents/records. The album would now illustrate these untold ingredients with unique perspective while re-presenting with the purest underground sound in black metal.
While the simple-yet-profound debut "Gloomy Night Stories" provides primitive and aggressive punches in the face; In "Moon" one would be surrounded by the toxic taste within those ghastly, ritual atmospheres; and then the mechanical, cold apocalyptic "Nüwa" infuses with strong Sc-fi approaches regarding ancient alien bio-invasion to human evolution. "Shanhai" in fact, consists inherently sort of a "fusional compound" of those above while some majestic momentum also added to the mix. It would unequivocally mark the most monumental period over the band's two decades span.
All dedicated to Agony & Chaos.
released September 1, 2019
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
the demo is the best by far IMO, but you can't go wrong with any of the albums either.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
the demo is the best by far IMO, but you can't go wrong with any of the albums either.
I have been unable to listen to that one as of yet, because no one has been so kind as to post it online in its entirety. I will check it out if I get a chance, and will give the tracks that I can find a deeper listen - thanks! From what it sounds like, they have never had a really bad release.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
anyone mentioned that ravenzang album/reissued demo (?)? listened yesterday, really good stuff - one of those bands just has that atmosphere that is hard to define. seems like their label/circle zwartkunst smederij is generally doing good stuff if you like this kind of traditional european approach.
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I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
I like Ride for Revenge, but always thought that Flooded Church of Asmodeus was just better. The heavier noise influence in the latter goes a long way for me. However, I probably should check out the Ride for Revenge/Bizarre Uproar collaboration again, now that I think of it. Black Mass of Absu is another band that I have been meaning to listen to for a long time (ever since I saw their Goatowarex vinyl release). Never heard of Barathrum, though. Thanks!
Today, on my way to work I listened to Samael - Ceremony of Opposites in the car. It's been a while since the last time. But this one remains one of my favourites. I only saw them live once, it was sometime between this release and the Rebellion EP. I remember, that I was pretty impressed by the show back then.
25 years ago...? Fuck! It seems I'm getting old.
Rinsing White Medal again recently, a good portion of which can be found on here - https://legion-blotan.bandcamp.com/
I've always thought that White Medal is the perfect English counterpart to the decrepit rural sounds of early Peste Noire (everything up to/including Ballade Cuntre...). The production on White Medal releases gets better every time, always staying absolutely filth-encrusted but with enough clarity to appreciate the musicianship. Absolutely perfect black metal- personal favourite being Guthmer's Hahl.
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I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
I like Ride for Revenge, but always thought that Flooded Church of Asmodeus was just better. The heavier noise influence in the latter goes a long way for me. However, I probably should check out the Ride for Revenge/Bizarre Uproar collaboration again, now that I think of it. Black Mass of Absu is another band that I have been meaning to listen to for a long time (ever since I saw their Goatowarex vinyl release). Never heard of Barathrum, though. Thanks!
Ride for Revenge is fucking great. And on the topic of bands in the tradition of Beherit, check out Perverted Ceremony. "Sabbat of Behezaël" has been refusing to leave my turntable lately.
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I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
I like Ride for Revenge, but always thought that Flooded Church of Asmodeus was just better. The heavier noise influence in the latter goes a long way for me. However, I probably should check out the Ride for Revenge/Bizarre Uproar collaboration again, now that I think of it. Black Mass of Absu is another band that I have been meaning to listen to for a long time (ever since I saw their Goatowarex vinyl release). Never heard of Barathrum, though. Thanks!
Ride for Revenge is fucking great. And on the topic of bands in the tradition of Beherit, check out Perverted Ceremony. "Sabbat of Behezaël" has been refusing to leave my turntable lately.
I keep seeing Perverted Ceremony show up on various sites that I visit, and was intrigued by their recent split with Witchcraft. I will have to look into them soon. Do they have any noise influence?
As a side note, I have spent a decent amount of time listening to Black Mass of Absu lately. They are great, so thanks again to everyone who recommended them! I need more metal like this in my life.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
I like Ride for Revenge, but always thought that Flooded Church of Asmodeus was just better. The heavier noise influence in the latter goes a long way for me. However, I probably should check out the Ride for Revenge/Bizarre Uproar collaboration again, now that I think of it. Black Mass of Absu is another band that I have been meaning to listen to for a long time (ever since I saw their Goatowarex vinyl release). Never heard of Barathrum, though. Thanks!
Ride for Revenge is fucking great. And on the topic of bands in the tradition of Beherit, check out Perverted Ceremony. "Sabbat of Behezaël" has been refusing to leave my turntable lately.
I keep seeing Perverted Ceremony show up on various sites that I visit, and was intrigued by their recent split with Witchcraft. I will have to look into them soon. Do they have any noise influence?
As a side note, I have spent a decent amount of time listening to Black Mass of Absu lately. They are great, so thanks again to everyone who recommended them! I need more metal like this in my life.
Nope, no noise influence that I've noticed. It sounds very much like its artwork looks, if that makes any sense.
Anyone know if the NWN forum is currently down? I just got a new internet provider today and I'm curious if it's blocking content.
downtime might be connnected to this ... or just coincidence?
https://nsbmboneheads.wordpress.com/
"Oakland venues Elbo Room and Oakland Metro Operahouse are scheduled to host a black metal festival with neo-Nazi ties called Never Surrender on Oct 18 – 20, 2019. Never Surrender Fest is organized by labels known for distributing Nazi metal: Iron Bonehead Productions based in Germany and Nuclear War Now! Productions based in the Bay Area whose website serves as the biggest online community for Nazi metal."
As far as I know it's just a server issue. NWN probably has his hands full with his fest to worry too much about it at the moment?
That has also got to be one of the most unintentionally hilarious articles to ever pop up from those people.
Utech Records just announced a 2xCD posthumous release by Chaos Echoes - live and unreleased material. For my money they were probably the most exciting "black metal" band around. I wasn't crazy about the last record - too "riffy" compared to their previous album which I think of as a cornerstone of experimental metal.... but that's also not even a criticism, just that I loved Transient so friggin' much. I'm also revisiting it to try and see if I gel more with it - and I'm digging it way more now that's it's had a chance to "age" a little.
https://utechrecords.bandcamp.com/album/remains (https://utechrecords.bandcamp.com/album/remains)
EDIT: enjoying "Mouvement" a lot more than I did initially.
Anyone else here looking forward to the Ride for Revenge dates in NYC? I plan on going the second night; despite having seen majority of the bill at least once, I am very excited to see all of them again.
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Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on September 24, 2019, 06:43:27 PM
I have been listening to a lot of Flooded Church of Asmodeus material on youtube lately, and keep becoming more impressed by this band. It is really refreshing to hear black metal that is not simply fast, tremolo riffs, and the noise elements are infused very naturally as well. I really need to get some physical copies of their music...
Yeah but fast tremolo riffs is what 2nd wave black metal is and what I and, I assume, most metalheads want to hear when they think of black metal. It's absolutely OK such crossovers exist but for instance I have no interest in hearing noise-infused BM as I don't think those genres go well together, and I also don't think making noisy music was what those musicians wanted to create in the first place? It came later as an aesthetic trend that turned into some ridiculous statement. Yeah, I'm being judgemental (of the artists, not of you!)
If you like FCOA, you should have a listen to Gonkulator if you haven't yet.
I definitely like good tremolo riffs in black metal, and it surely forms an essential element of the genre. It is always nice, though, to hear some exceptions to the norm. For instance, Paysage d'Hiver plays some really heavy and slow riffs that are definitely black, but without tremolo.
I have heard a few people mention Gonkulator in conjunction with Flooded Church of Asmodeus, so I will have to check them out.
You definitely also must check out Ride For Revenge and Black Mass of Absu. The early material from Barathrum might be up your alley too.
I like Ride for Revenge, but always thought that Flooded Church of Asmodeus was just better. The heavier noise influence in the latter goes a long way for me. However, I probably should check out the Ride for Revenge/Bizarre Uproar collaboration again, now that I think of it. Black Mass of Absu is another band that I have been meaning to listen to for a long time (ever since I saw their Goatowarex vinyl release). Never heard of Barathrum, though. Thanks!
Ride for Revenge is fucking great. And on the topic of bands in the tradition of Beherit, check out Perverted Ceremony. "Sabbat of Behezaël" has been refusing to leave my turntable lately.
I keep seeing Perverted Ceremony show up on various sites that I visit, and was intrigued by their recent split with Witchcraft. I will have to look into them soon. Do they have any noise influence?
As a side note, I have spent a decent amount of time listening to Black Mass of Absu lately. They are great, so thanks again to everyone who recommended them! I need more metal like this in my life.
Nope, no noise influence that I've noticed. It sounds very much like its artwork looks, if that makes any sense.
I think that I can get a sense of what you mean. I checked out some of their music in between listening to acts on the Never Surrender fest livestream, and liked what I heard (the promo for the Witchcraft side of their recent split sounds good too). I will have to look into them more!
Quote from: seventhcircle on October 22, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
Anyone else here looking forward to the Ride for Revenge dates in NYC? I plan on going the second night; despite having seen majority of the bill at least once, I am very excited to see all of them again.
I really wish that they would come close to where I live again. I would go if I could manage to travel cross country on short notice to see them I would, but the likelihood of that happening seems nonexistent!
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Got this LP recently, paid a high price for it. If you can't get past the vocals of the first track, I highly recommend sticking it out ot hear the rest of the album.
Quote from: seventhcircle on October 22, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
Anyone else here looking forward to the Ride for Revenge dates in NYC? I plan on going the second night; despite having seen majority of the bill at least once, I am very excited to see all of them again.
Flying from California on Thursday. Looking forward to seeing RFR again. Great lineup both nights. Also very excited to see Witchcraft and Sanguine Eagle for the first time. The rest of the acts are great too, seen them all before but all worth catching again.
https://satanictorment.bandcamp.com/
Nice stuff here if you're into Ride For Revenge, Barathrum, Countess, Necromantia...
Quote from: FallOfNature on October 24, 2019, 09:08:37 AM
https://satanictorment.bandcamp.com/
Nice stuff here if you're into Ride For Revenge, Barathrum, Countess, Necromantia...
Really underrated stuff for sure.
Shameless plug: I coreleased a Ride For Revenge/Satanic Torment split 7". Still available for sale, trade or wholesale. I also have plenty of copies of the "Submit to the Lord of Darkness" tape still in stock.
I'm sure plenty of you know about Wold, pretty decent black metal(ish) noise fusion.
And a shameless plug of noisy black metal:
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/gauze-and-silk edit: (headphone warning)
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/blood-from-the-spawn-of-tomorrow-pt-1
Quote from: Vitrufen on October 24, 2019, 08:10:33 PM
I'm sure plenty of you know about Wold, pretty decent black metal(ish) noise fusion.
And a shameless plug of noisy black metal:
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/gauze-and-silk edit: (headphone warning)
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/blood-from-the-spawn-of-tomorrow-pt-1
Wold is really cool, and their live set up seems interesting based on the videos that I have seen (it looked like a weird drum setup, and they did not appear to use guitars). I am not to big a fan of the vocalist, though. If you like Wold, definitely check out Reptile Womb.
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on October 24, 2019, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: Vitrufen on October 24, 2019, 08:10:33 PM
I'm sure plenty of you know about Wold, pretty decent black metal(ish) noise fusion.
And a shameless plug of noisy black metal:
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/gauze-and-silk edit: (headphone warning)
https://thevoider.bandcamp.com/track/blood-from-the-spawn-of-tomorrow-pt-1
Wold is really cool, and their live set up seems interesting based on the videos that I have seen (it looked like a weird drum setup, and they did not appear to use guitars). I am not to big a fan of the vocalist, though. If you like Wold, definitely check out Reptile Womb.
Vocals on some tracks are annoying, or they could've at least been mixed lower. I haven't seen much live footage from them, but I know what you mean about the drum setup. I'll have to check out Reptile Womb.
I was huge into Wold but kind of fell off picking up their records after Stratification. Just about to revisit those CDs, thanks for the reminder!
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Quote from: holy ghost on October 25, 2019, 02:47:05 AM
I was huge into Wold but kind of fell off picking up their records after Stratification. Just about to revisit those CDs, thanks for the reminder!
It is too bad that most Wold releases are not getting reissued. According to discogs, most that are available are either used/old or expensive mint editions.
New Teitanblood is out - I haven't ordered a copy yet but I'm streaming it on my wife's spotify account - it's really good. I don't find as many "hits" in this genre lately (it's me - I'm burned out on this stuff) so it's really refreshing when I hear something I like. There are some sick fuckin' Kreator-esque leads happening here. I'll have to order this asap.
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New Teitanblood is out - I haven't ordered a copy yet but I'm streaming it on my wife's spotify account - it's really good. I don't find as many "hits" in this genre lately (it's me - I'm burned out on this stuff) so it's really refreshing when I hear something I like. There are some sick fuckin' Kreator-esque leads happening here. I'll have to order this asap.
I had huge doubts about it (being a fellow burnout of the style), but it's indeed killer and has been on heavy repeat for me.
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NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
That crank from from Absurd will have a hard time finding another forum willing to tolerate his endless whining about the left.....
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Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
That crank from from Absurd will have a hard time finding another forum willing to tolerate his endless whining about the left.....
Justified or unjustified JFN rants, he does put out better records than NWN
that re-formed absurd for asgardsrei was dogshit though
For people looking for more punky and raw BM, we made a demo that was put out by Legion Blotan this summer. https://legion-blotan.bandcamp.com/album/caelum-nocte
Quote from: l.b. on November 12, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
that re-formed absurd for asgardsrei was dogshit though
Was the lineup different from their most recent album? I like their newer material a lot, but never spent any time with the videos from the Asgardsrei fest (all the ones I have come across have been really low quality).
Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Where was it confirmed?
Quote from: Balor/SS1535 on November 12, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Where was it confirmed?
Yosuke replied to someone on IG saying it wouldn't be back.
It was a great place to discover music and get some great info, but a large spectrum of idiocy was bred on that board. Not bummed, but not stoked.
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Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Where was it confirmed?
Yosuke replied to someone on IG saying it wouldn't be back.
It was a great place to discover music and get some great info, but a large spectrum of idiocy was bred on that board. Not bummed, but not stoked.
I never joined the forum, but always thought about it. There seemed to be a lot of discussions about a wide variety of great music on there. It's too bad that he decided to shut the whole thing down though. I would have at least tried to moderate it a bit before jumping to such a harsh measure (maybe he tried that at some point already but did't like it, I don't know).
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Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Where was it confirmed?
Yosuke replied to someone on IG saying it wouldn't be back.
It was a great place to discover music and get some great info, but a large spectrum of idiocy was bred on that board. Not bummed, but not stoked.
I never joined the forum, but always thought about it. There seemed to be a lot of discussions about a wide variety of great music on there. It's too bad that he decided to shut the whole thing down though. I would have at least tried to moderate it a bit before jumping to such a harsh measure (maybe he tried that at some point already but did't like it, I don't know).
The forum fashioned itself as apolitical, and I think the moderation on it was done fairly well. Some users made their own politics very clear, right or left, which would then spark occasional political/socially driven arguments. These were usually shut down quickly.
Quote from: seventhcircle on November 12, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
It was a great place to discover music and get some great info
Yeah, back to scouring discogs/bandcamp/youtube for further noteworthy releases I guess. Took some of the draining effort out of that process, and it wasn't just being exposed to severely hyped or over-promoted material most of the time.
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Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
Where was it confirmed?
Yosuke replied to someone on IG saying it wouldn't be back.
It was a great place to discover music and get some great info, but a large spectrum of idiocy was bred on that board. Not bummed, but not stoked.
I never joined the forum, but always thought about it. There seemed to be a lot of discussions about a wide variety of great music on there. It's too bad that he decided to shut the whole thing down though. I would have at least tried to moderate it a bit before jumping to such a harsh measure (maybe he tried that at some point already but did't like it, I don't know).
The forum fashioned itself as apolitical, and I think the moderation on it was done fairly well. Some users made their own politics very clear, right or left, which would then spark occasional political/socially driven arguments. These were usually shut down quickly.
I don't get it then, why would he shut the forum down? It seemed really popular, and would, I presume, drive quite a bit of business to his label. Maybe after opening up the physical store it was a bit too much for him to handle.
every time "Nazi(s)" are brought up in any metal context online, the forum is linked which in turn links to the label itself regardless of any apolitical stance that he tried to convey. I'm sure after the blog posts and other bullshit that was happening trying to shut down his fest, he felt that he was just better to shut the forum down and not be bothered it.
NWN doesn't need the forum to bring in business for his label anymore, the forum was great for smaller labels and bands trying to get their stuff out there/updating on new releases/etc
No forum means more time for playground pull ups
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No forum means more time for playground pull ups
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Any suggestions for other metal forums?
Ot: Necropole album is slowly becoming one of my fav bm albums. Everything is perfect about that album. B
Also really like Reverorum ib Malacht Urkaos. Unique sound, very good composition and weird.
attended Invicta Requiem Mass a few weeks ago. Alruna is one to keep an eye on. Rostorchester with Krieg from Wehrhammer on vocals was killer, too.
Quote from: l.b. on November 12, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
that re-formed absurd for asgardsrei was dogshit though
It is slightly curious situation with Absurd, as there are two of them active right now. The JNF line-up performing old songs and more primitive things is one, but the other line-up that made the more "advanced material" with Wolf and Unhold etc has made new promo and played live just recently. I have liked all incarnations of the band.
Quote from: DSOL on November 12, 2019, 10:26:04 PM
NWN doesn't need the forum to bring in business for his label anymore, the forum was great for smaller labels and bands trying to get their stuff out there/updating on new releases/etc
Any forum some label hosts under their own name, will have effect of tainting the label name for what whoever random guy says. Question would be do you want your label name be mentioned every time when drama escalates in underground? heh.. Guilt by association is quite strong these days.
It is unfortunate when decades worth of information just vanishes. It displays the negative side of scene relying too much on one thing. Removing one element may have drastic effects, especially in times when there is often "all eggs in one basket". It is unfortunate for labels who got rid of their own websites to sell stuff via discogs, just to find out all they publish and many things they distributed are being banned from marketplace. Or being kicked out from youtube & facebook without any particular reason. Or getting your bandcamp closed as soon as it felt like good place to host label "website". etc.
There was attempt to have new black metal forum some years ago. It did not gain popularity, due it didn't offer anything what one couldn't do in NWN. So eventually quiet forum was closed down.
I wouldn't be surprised if there would be new attempts to open something like that. Forum that is not under any particular label name and would cover Black Metal
as is, without caring what non-BM crowd may think about some of it. But also hopefully moderators who do not have too specific agenda to push.
For mentioned reason, it would be good to have some sort of information spot, that is not connected to multinational corporations and such. For example, I have absolutely zero interests to follow countless bands and labels in social media. Without forum(s) it, hard to say where one could find announcements and recommendations these days if not willing to wade through endless flow of social media feed.
Talking about Black Metal, TEITANBLOOD new album. Not yet sure what to think. It didn't have same impact as Death. Heavily based on sound, rather than riffs and songs. Of course this was case with previous too, but that hit instantly. KVASIRS BLOOD "Triumph of the will" cd I didn't expect much, but ended up listening several times. I like the rawness of production doesn't mean it would be the non-riff non-idea "raw bm" stuff that has been vastly popular, but actually be pretty good songs in lines of Satanic Warmaster, Goatmoon, Vlad Tepes, etc. While properly composed BM of today often have too soft sound, this doesn't. Entire catalogue of INQUISITION was listened and had to even re-evaluate order of greatness of those albums. It remains to see when band is back in "public" so to say. Good case displaying the lameness of "metal scene" might be repeating itself when they do. GRAND BELIAL'S KEY "a witness to the regiside" finally on good CD! Include more tracks that the original 7". Uniqueness of GBK is so
beyond, that it does have special position in underground.
For live music, it was rather great surprise to have GOAT SEMEN play live in Lahti. Just around the corner. Great set of brutal savage blasphemic metal. Next weekend VULCANO in same venue is perhaps even more surprising. Last weekend: BLACK BEAST first show, quite traditional BM that worked nicely. BEHEXEN always good, BARATHRUM another good show after decades of miserable drunken joke. Now their gigs are pretty close as good as 20 years ago! And no wonder what MGLA was headlining
after DESTRUCTION. Veteran status might not be enough if your best album came out 35 years ago.. Just like SODOM on next day, of course they can still thrash properly, but...
I've listened to black metal my entire adult life and I'm somehow only now listening to Veles. Started with Black Hateful Metal.
Production is spot on, perfectly raw but with excellent clean guitar tones and synth sounds which are just the right level of corny. Some light phase/flange (?) on the guitars in places. Overall contributes to one of the darkest and coldest sounding BM records I've heard since the genre first sucked me in. Will definitely be going through the whole back catalogue.
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Quote from: l.b. on November 12, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
that re-formed absurd for asgardsrei was dogshit though
Without forum(s) it, hard to say where one could find announcements and recommendations these days if not willing to wade through endless flow of social media feed.
True. But I have the impression that some releases are available a bit longer with that annoying "GO GET IT NOW!" thread gone...
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Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
That crank from from Absurd will have a hard time finding another forum willing to tolerate his endless whining about the left.....
Heh, well even if you are on the opposing side of what JFN represents, you can't deny that he's always ready to give proper answers and maintained his composure. Unlike the endless sea of shortfused, weak trolls who tried to get under his skin daily basis :)
For my understanding the forum is coming back. That's what he said in email. Yosuke just hasn't got time to get into it. It took him weeks to put up stuff he got from trade into his shop because of the fest and yes, for sure the forum requires more work than couple clicks in the e-store.
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Quote from: holy ghost on November 12, 2019, 03:50:55 AM
Quote from: sunandsteel on November 11, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
That crank from from Absurd will have a hard time finding another forum willing to tolerate his endless whining about the left.....
Heh, well even if you are on the opposing side of what JFN represents, you can't deny that he's always ready to give proper answers and maintained his composure. Unlike the endless sea of shortfused, weak trolls who tried to get under his skin daily basis :)
For my understanding the forum is coming back. That's what he said in email. Yosuke just hasn't got time to get into it. It took him weeks to put up stuff he got from trade into his shop because of the fest and yes, for sure the forum requires more work than couple clicks in the e-store.
He told me weeks ago that he isn't bringing the forum back, he announced on Instagram that he isn't bringing the forum back and he removed the Forum link from the NWN site. If you think it's coming back, you're fucking high.
Quote from: fetch the rope on November 14, 2019, 07:46:41 PMyou can't deny that he's always ready to give proper answers and maintained his composure. Unlike the endless sea of shortfused, weak trolls who tried to get under his skin daily basis :)
I feel like maybe we're talking about different people here? I definitely don't remember this.
NWN and related ventures are serious business operations with a lot of investment behind them at this point. While it's easy to claim a nihilistic, apolitical stance in his position when talking about some online bitching around a discussion forum, it seems very obvious that when the heat actually got turned up in the direction of his real life affairs he wasn't really prepared to die on that hill at all.
I never joined, but I'll miss the endless dorkfest 'what are your top 8 albums with the bass panned in the left channel?' type threads.
Quote from: W.K. on November 13, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Did anyone from here actually go to the No Surrender fest? How was it?
I didn't go, but I watched a lot of the livestream. Siege Column and Blue Hummingbird on the Left were both really cool, and Byrrth put on a good set.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 13, 2019, 10:37:38 AM
There was attempt to have new black metal forum some years ago. It did not gain popularity, due it didn't offer anything what one couldn't do in NWN. So eventually quiet forum was closed down.
I wouldn't be surprised if there would be new attempts to open something like that. Forum that is not under any particular label name and would cover Black Metal as is, without caring what non-BM crowd may think about some of it. But also hopefully moderators who do not have too specific agenda to push.
https://www.warfarenoise.com/index.php
Not chained to a label, open for registration.
A lot of former NWN regulars congregating here:
https://revelationofdoom.com/
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on November 13, 2019, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: l.b. on November 12, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
that re-formed absurd for asgardsrei was dogshit though
It is slightly curious situation with Absurd, as there are two of them active right now. The JNF line-up performing old songs and more primitive things is one, but the other line-up that made the more "advanced material" with Wolf and Unhold etc has made new promo and played live just recently. I have liked all incarnations of the band.
this is too bad because i do quite enjoy the original ABSURD material (even werewolfthron) and the wulf/unhold stuff. if JFN can make good records then so be it but it's odd to see him step into vocal spot with a bunch of hired hands.
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Hahaha. Makes want to quote Discharge.
Revelation of Doom looks like a great replacement. Thanks for the heads up. Been floundering a bit without nwn
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NWN forum officially not coming back. So much for "Never Surrender"...
That crank from from Absurd will have a hard time finding another forum willing to tolerate his endless whining about the left.....
Heh, well even if you are on the opposing side of what JFN represents, you can't deny that he's always ready to give proper answers and maintained his composure. Unlike the endless sea of shortfused, weak trolls who tried to get under his skin daily basis :)
For my understanding the forum is coming back. That's what he said in email. Yosuke just hasn't got time to get into it. It took him weeks to put up stuff he got from trade into his shop because of the fest and yes, for sure the forum requires more work than couple clicks in the e-store.
He told me weeks ago that he isn't bringing the forum back, he announced on Instagram that he isn't bringing the forum back and he removed the Forum link from the NWN site. If you think it's coming back, you're fucking high.
Seems like you have quite a short fuse as well. 1) Don't have instagay account anymore for over a year so can't be aware what is going on there 2) Yosuke told me in email late October that the forum would come back online. Now none of this matters anymore because at this point because we what the deal is and new forums are running.
Reading this I almost feel.... like I never LEFT the NWN forum at all....
OT: flipping a ton of LPs on discogs and play testing a few albums I haven't listened to in years, was about to flip the HAIL "Inheritance of Evilness" DLP and holy fuck is this record good. Some seriously sick riffs. It did not go in the sell pile, even if after the fact I read it was "one man black metal" and a drum machine which quite frankly does not tickle my fancy these days.....
Quote from: holy ghost on December 12, 2019, 06:50:54 PM
OT: flipping a ton of LPs on discogs and play testing a few albums I haven't listened to in years, was about to flip the HAIL "Inheritance of Evilness" DLP and holy fuck is this record good. Some seriously sick riffs. It did not go in the sell pile, even if after the fact I read it was "one man black metal" and a drum machine which quite frankly does not tickle my fancy these days.....
Drum machine? Hail? I always saw Dirtmaster mainly as a drummer and I am pretty sure Inheritance Of Evilness has real drums. Or some really amazing organic programming. Superb album in any case. Even the Lawgiver MCD that contains the bonus tracks from the 2xLP version of the album did not feel like it was just leftovers.
Quote from: moozz on December 13, 2019, 12:07:48 AM
Drum machine? Hail? I always saw Dirtmaster mainly as a drummer and I am pretty sure Inheritance Of Evilness has real drums. Or some really amazing organic programming. Superb album in any case. Even the Lawgiver MCD that contains the bonus tracks from the 2xLP version of the album did not feel like it was just leftovers.
Yeah I went back and listened again and thought "what the fuck there's no drum machine here" so I must have read that at Metal Archives or some other useless place. Definitely sounds organic. I love the riffs and I love the bass playing on this one. Like a trashy Beherit stretched to the extreme. Gotta track down those other mini albums.
I've yet to get Inheritance Of Evilness but I have a couple of friends who are total HAIL devotees. The Bestial Storms Of The Abyssic Pit is great though and Death Citadel's Bestial Antaumus is a tour van favorite.
https://nyogthaeblisz.bandcamp.com/
New Nyogthaeblisz finally out. Preview track sounds vicious.
Quote from: HateSermon on December 14, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
https://nyogthaeblisz.bandcamp.com/
New Nyogthaeblisz finally out. Preview track sounds vicious.
Sounds awesome! Hopefully the rest is just as good.
Quote from: HateSermon on December 14, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
https://nyogthaeblisz.bandcamp.com/
New Nyogthaeblisz finally out. Preview track sounds vicious.
FINALLY
Does anyone recall the info in regards to Beherit's "At the Devil's Studio 1990" not actually being recorded in 1990?
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Quote from: HateSermon on December 14, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
https://nyogthaeblisz.bandcamp.com/
New Nyogthaeblisz finally out. Preview track sounds vicious.
FINALLY
album has not disappointed
Quote from: absurdexposition on December 31, 2019, 05:55:26 PM
Does anyone recall the info in regards to Beherit's "At the Devil's Studio 1990" not actually being recorded in 1990?
A lot of chatter about it at the time on the NWN forum but no actual "proof" other than "well isn't this convenient you just "found" these recordings" iirc. Record slaps either way.
Good bump - been on a real South American kick lately. Hadez demos, Mutilator LP, Necrofago demo, Masacre LP, Reencarnation collection, Mortuorio demos, Sepultura, Holocausto, etc.
Then I started listening to Venom - everything up to and including Possessed fuckin' slaps.
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Quote from: absurdexposition on December 31, 2019, 05:55:26 PM
Does anyone recall the info in regards to Beherit's "At the Devil's Studio 1990" not actually being recorded in 1990?
A lot of chatter about it at the time on the NWN forum but no actual "proof" other than "well isn't this convenient you just "found" these recordings" iirc. Record slaps either way.
Yeah I tried to do some googling last night and wasn't coming up was much. It has a markedly better recording quality than Seventh Blasphemy from the same year, which would be the only thing to point to a more recent recording, if that's the case.
Quote from: holy ghost on December 31, 2019, 07:11:06 PM
Then I started listening to Venom - everything up to and including Possessed fuckin' slaps.
Jammed At War With Satan yesterday and Black Metal the day before. Was never huge on AWWS but had a great time with it this go 'round.
Apropos of nothing, can anyone give me a recommendation for albums like "Under the Sign of Hell by Gorgoroth? I'm not on any metal forums so I don't know where else to ask :)
All the stupid bullshit surrounding Gorgoroth aside, that album is one of my favorite black metal records ever. Maybe my favorite. The insane drum production, the wild and chaotic songs that twist and turn rather than repeat themselves, the searing and distorted guitar solos that come out of nowhere. It does a lot of stuff all in the same record that I haven't heard elsewhere. The closest I've heard are the first two Haemoth albums which sound similarly raw and caustic but are generally much more repetitive.
Any recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on January 07, 2020, 06:09:47 PM
Apropos of nothing, can anyone give me a recommendation for albums like "Under the Sign of Hell by Gorgoroth? I'm not on any metal forums so I don't know where else to ask :)
All the stupid bullshit surrounding Gorgoroth aside, that album is one of my favorite black metal records ever. Maybe my favorite. The insane drum production, the wild and chaotic songs that twist and turn rather than repeat themselves, the searing and distorted guitar solos that come out of nowhere. It does a lot of stuff all in the same record that I haven't heard elsewhere. The closest I've heard are the first two Haemoth albums which sound similarly raw and caustic but are generally much more repetitive.
Any recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Gorgoroth have always been a complete wtf-fest as a band and like a lot of the 2nd-wave classics, UTSOH is another case of brilliant contextual randomness. I think I know my black metal classics and obscurities rather well and I'm not sure I can come up with albums conveying that exact same atmosphere due to so many peculiar factors gathered on a single release. Like, for instance, you hear similarities in Haemoth's early albums but I don't.
For me, the most important trademark of GOOD Gorgoroth's albums are their guitars. The first three albums had KILLER melancholic, atmospheric and cold guitar riffs. The "band" that captured those riffs' essence the best to my ear is Taake on their first album. Want those riffs that "twist and turn" in Norwegian way with some odd production? Check Kvist's unique album, which is a proper masterpiece (I read somewhere the drummer on it was like 16 or 17 when the album was recorded, which is crazy, but then, so was Trym when Enslaved recorded "Frost" so...) And if the caveman drumming is your thing, you should check out the YouTube videos of Immortal during the "Fuck Christ" tour as Grim was drumming for them back then and he just bashes his drumkit like he does on UTSOH. Too bad he never recorded anything with Immortal. His drumming was good on the early Borknagar stuff but the production doesn't let appear any kind of craziness in there.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 09, 2020, 01:24:12 AM...UTSOH is another case of brilliant contextual randomness.
This is it. A set of right time and place circumstances that resulted in a brilliant release. Because it has such an immediate impact it's not something that can easily, or desirably, be reproduced.
i have admittedly been only fucking with noise for years. i never fucked with metal because i honestly thought it was weaker than noise and i felt on a quest for the most extreme shit i could find. now as the years go on i am seriously only recently ADDICTED to this whole world i've waited to explore. ofcourse in past i have fucked with bands that crossed over into noise world like RIDE FOR REVENGE, CLANDESTINE BLAZE, INTOLITARION, BEHERIT. but recently theres much more i've been loving and appreciating like never before. i will never give up on noise but its cool to find another genre that holds up anger-wise.
In the last month i have read THE DEVILS CRADLE which is a history of Finnish black metal. highly recommend it. REcenlty picked up the feral house swedish book BLOOD FIRE DEATH at quimby's in chicago (everyone going to GO in april should go there). . havent read it yet but am looking forward to.
im posting to ask of other suggestions for books on black metal history. i feel like a noob but its exciting..... recently fucking with warloghe, satanic warmaster, musta surma. you get the picture only Finnish rn but ready for more.. any recommendations for books/ artist would be cool. also bear in mind i like to own physical media so vothana ect i fuck with but dont care to suck the dick.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 09, 2020, 01:24:12 AM
Gorgoroth have always been a complete wtf-fest as a band and like a lot of the 2nd-wave classics, UTSOH is another case of brilliant contextual randomness. I think I know my black metal classics and obscurities rather well and I'm not sure I can come up with albums conveying that exact same atmosphere due to so many peculiar factors gathered on a single release. Like, for instance, you hear similarities in Haemoth's early albums but I don't.
For me, the most important trademark of GOOD Gorgoroth's albums are their guitars. The first three albums had KILLER melancholic, atmospheric and cold guitar riffs. The "band" that captured those riffs' essence the best to my ear is Taake on their first album. Want those riffs that "twist and turn" in Norwegian way with some odd production? Check Kvist's unique album, which is a proper masterpiece (I read somewhere the drummer on it was like 16 or 17 when the album was recorded, which is crazy, but then, so was Trym when Enslaved recorded "Frost" so...) And if the caveman drumming is your thing, you should check out the YouTube videos of Immortal during the "Fuck Christ" tour as Grim was drumming for them back then and he just bashes his drumkit like he does on UTSOH. Too bad he never recorded anything with Immortal. His drumming was good on the early Borknagar stuff but the production doesn't let appear any kind of craziness in there.
Thanks for the thoughtful response! I'll have to check out the Taake and Kvist albums.
Quote from: Bacteriafield on January 09, 2020, 10:11:23 AM
i have admittedly been only fucking with noise for years. i never fucked with metal because i honestly thought it was weaker than noise and i felt on a quest for the most extreme shit i could find. now as the years go on i am seriously only recently ADDICTED to this whole world i've waited to explore. ofcourse in past i have fucked with bands that crossed over into noise world like RIDE FOR REVENGE, CLANDESTINE BLAZE, INTOLITARION, BEHERIT. but recently theres much more i've been loving and appreciating like never before. i will never give up on noise but its cool to find another genre that holds up anger-wise.
In the last month i have read THE DEVILS CRADLE which is a history of Finnish black metal. highly recommend it. REcenlty picked up the feral house swedish book BLOOD FIRE DEATH at quimby's in chicago (everyone going to GO in april should go there). . havent read it yet but am looking forward to.
im posting to ask of other suggestions for books on black metal history. i feel like a noob but its exciting..... recently fucking with warloghe, satanic warmaster, musta surma. you get the picture only Finnish rn but ready for more.. any recommendations for books/ artist would be cool. also bear in mind i like to own physical media so vothana ect i fuck with but dont care to suck the dick.
Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
As for artists I would recommend Dead Reptile Shrine (weird, improvised bm, takes on noisy/dark ambient aspects), everything on CW Productions though the newish VA "Even Biology is Revolting Despite it's Natural Appeal" makes a great starting point (mostly still available at his site, best USBM going, Cirrhus/Furdidurke/Kestrel, etc), and Bone Awl/everything Klaxon records puts out too.
The only good book about black metal is Jon Metalion' Slayer fanzine anthology as far as I'm concerned. You get all the facts and evolution of the scene at the time they happened by an insider who doesn't need to try to get more credit by making shit it up, blowing things out of proportion or anything. He was there, he was friends with everyone, he chronicled it on time, from before its beginning to after it shook the entire world. The parts between the fanzines in the anthology are as authentic as it can get. Of course, he doesn't review or mention EVERYTHING so don't expect to read about say, the Polish TOF for instance. But when it comes to facts (and that's what history is about, right?), this is it. Everything else I read is biased as far as I'm concerned, and I don't see the point in publishing books that read like messageboards with guys trying to one-up each other, which black metal has always been about (well 97% of the time that is.)
There's a very fine line between aesthetics and posturing and the balance used to be right up until 20 years ago, I think. I mean, posturing was very much present in fanzines and band's attitudes but the outreach was pretty tiny. I think the internet changed the BM scene entirely and that music isn't enough to make bands stand out anymore because it's so much easier to record and put out music, to spread it worldwide too, and the overwhelming amount of information available does that to be remembered, bands need to focus on the posturing. And the internet amplifies trends too. I remember the time when Osmose couldn't even sell Blasphemy CDs for 2€ (I sure never bought any) and nobody really cared about them. Same with NSBM or war metal. It takes one intense nerd with a genuine interest and smart marketing strategies (and a few other people with good intuition) to change the course of everything, as evidenced by the bands that always get mentioned again and again and again on the messageboards he's not responsible for, as if any other BM bands had never existed for the last 35 years.
All this rant to say that I would take every book on BM with a grain of salt because they're always written with some agenda behind them and that the evolution/explosion of the scene from the underground as well as the people dwelling in it make everything difficult to trust or accept as true when it comes to facts. But they're good fun when it comes to fan fiction of course.
And thanks, ConcreteMascara, my pleasure.
I don't know much about black metal, so I don't know the context of anything here. It's interesting to hear about it. Thanks, folks. I do know that Trym on Frost, and I feel on most things he did, is crazy good. And that Kvist's album is amazing and definitely makes it on my top black metal list. A masterpiece indeed.
I thought to ask about this the other day, so here goes: what's the deal with Mystískaos and and the closed Fallen Empire Records? Their updates seem so odd. Again, I know little about black metal, especially post-2000. I don't know who is posturing, who is genuine, who can simply write a good story, or what. I do think the Mystískaos aesthetic is nice looking, but whoopie-ding. Any opinions or info?
I have been pretty confounded by Fallen Empire's transition to Mystikaos and the surrounding cryptic communications. I can say that Arnaut Pavle and Serpent Column are good though. That 3x10 Lluvia record he put out on Fallen Empire was excellent too. It is a shame most Lluvia material sells for such insane amounts, one of the better acts of the past few years, excellent live, too.
About books-As eurothrash wrote, Metalions book is supreme. Also the collected issues of Isten and Voices from the Darkside is good if you want the old zines collected with info from the actual time. Psicoterror and Cnadian Assault was also recently collected, but maybe this more for diehards. About more recent "looking back" books i found the Blood Fire Death book and the finnish one good, most of the others provide outsiders perspective and superficial info mostly. A lot of old good zines is getting collected in books these days.
I'll third or fourth that Slayer mag anthology is worth your time and little else is. Lords of Chaos is interesting but definitely flawed and focuses more on the sensationalist aspects than anything to do with the actual music.
I would suggest looking into the South American and Greek scenes - Norwegian second wave is cool but I'm biased in that I don't rate the US scene all that highly.... the Greeks had Rotting Christ, Varathron, Thou Art Lord, Necromantia.... all killer!
South America you've got a more thrashy bunch of bands: Masacre, Mystifier, Hadez, Holocausto, Mortuario, Mutilator, Genocidio, Sarcofago, Reencarnación, early Sepultura, Necrofafo, Necrobutcher.... I'd also suggest Anal Vomit "Demonic Flagellations" as a total later era banger.
Also Voor, Damnation, Soothsayer and the rest of the early Québécois scene had some total slappers. The Voor demo is one of the greatest things ever recorded.
Also Poison (Germany) "Into the Abyss" is one of the most savage things ever recorded.
I'm biased to raw/demo type recordings and scenes rather than that keyboard intro shit or spooky robe stuff though.
Quote from: holy ghost on January 10, 2020, 03:59:44 AM
I'm biased in that I don't rate the US scene all that highly...
While the current trends in USBM suck, it's a pity as there are absolutely killer bands coming from the US. From Absu (who were more than greatly influenced by Greek BM) to Profanatica (and the first Havohej album), Judas Iscariot, Bloodstorm, Black Funeral, Demoncy, Night Conquers Day, etc etc...
Quote from: Bacteriafield on January 09, 2020, 10:11:23 AM
i have admittedly been only fucking with noise for years. i never fucked with metal because i honestly thought it was weaker than noise and i felt on a quest for the most extreme shit i could find. now as the years go on i am seriously only recently ADDICTED to this whole world i've waited to explore. ofcourse in past i have fucked with bands that crossed over into noise world like RIDE FOR REVENGE, CLANDESTINE BLAZE, INTOLITARION, BEHERIT. but recently theres much more i've been loving and appreciating like never before. i will never give up on noise but its cool to find another genre that holds up anger-wise.
In the last month i have read THE DEVILS CRADLE which is a history of Finnish black metal. highly recommend it. REcenlty picked up the feral house swedish book BLOOD FIRE DEATH at quimby's in chicago (everyone going to GO in april should go there). . havent read it yet but am looking forward to.
im posting to ask of other suggestions for books on black metal history. i feel like a noob but its exciting..... recently fucking with warloghe, satanic warmaster, musta surma. you get the picture only Finnish rn but ready for more.. any recommendations for books/ artist would be cool. also bear in mind i like to own physical media so vothana ect i fuck with but dont care to suck the dick.
100% agree with everyone that's suggested that you check out zine comp books rather than books about the genre.
As for music, my personal favorites are the Finnish, Greek, South American, and Polish scenes. Bands and/or albums to check from each:
Finnish: Barathrum "Eerie", Impaled Nazarene "Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz", Hail-any, Dead Reptile Shrine-any, Witchcraft, Ceremonial Torture, Flooded Church of Asmodeus, Black Crucifixion "Fallen One of Flames"
Greek: Varathron "His Majesty at the Swamp", Necromantia "Crossing the Fiery Path", Rotting Christ "Thy Mighty Contract", Tatir, Zephyrous "Entrance and Wandering on the Seven Zones"
South America: Sarcófago "INRI", Holocausto "Campo de Exterminio", Sextrash "Sexual Carnage", Vulcano "Bloody Vengeance", Asaradel "...Of Sathanas / Avernus / Perpetuating The Law", Behemoth "Malignant Temple of Goat", Necrobutcher "Schizophrenic Noisy Torment"
Poland: Graveland "Carpathian Wolves" & "Following the Voice of Blood", Fullmoon "United Aryan Evil", Veles "Night on Bare Mountain", Infernum "Tar Nu Fuin", Legion "Blood On My Knife", Capricornus "Stahlgewitter", Thor's Hammer "The Fate Worse Than Death"
Various other countries: Nåstrond "Toteslaut", Mortuary Drape "All the Witches Dance", Osculum Infame "Dor Nu Fauglith", Spear of Longinus "The Yoga of National Socialism" & "...and the Swastikalotus", Seigneur Voland "Consumatum Est", Kristallnacht "Blooddrenched Memorial", Absurd "Facta Loquntuur" & "Asgardsrei", Goatlord "Goatlord".
Personal picks, opinions are like assholes etc.
One interesting aspect of black metal, which may or may not exist only in my head, is that it is often much better than the people involved in it. There are multiple albums and whole discographies which are extremely effective musically, aesthetically and on some level even intellectually, even though the people responsible for the music are terrible. I won't do examples, simply because fl4ming people online has become tired and gross. For protocol, I should add that I obviously don't mean this in some "terrible opinions"/"toxic trash human being" sort of way, but simply that many BM people who have made awesome albums are pretty dull folks. This is of course nothing particular for black metal, but I think the average difference between human quality/type and musical output is bigger than with other genres. If you take something like Vegan HC, modern left-wing punk or for that matter "white power" RAC stuff, the music usually corresponds pretty perfectly to the people who do it - largely steretypical dudes and dudettes with minds about as developed as the music (hence also maturing at least somewhat with the years). With black metal I've met tons of people involved with absolutely awesome projects, with whom I wouldn't want to have a five minute conversation.
Again, this could be a misinterpretation of things rooted in my experiences (I've spent more time with black metal people than with any other subcultural group, except perhaps industrial noise), and in the fact that I appreciate black metal far more than most "radical" vego-punk or RAC. Still, perhaps there is something to it?
I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.
listening to the newest nyogthaeblisz offering rn, a little late maybe, i really like it... most bands who try to this ultra-noisey black/death/"war" metal thing is usually boring in my eyes, but this hit the spot for some reason. maybe its just the going-all-the-way all out insanity of it, only matched by maybe vvorld vvithout end. for me, a very pleasant suprise!
Quote from: Yrjö-Koskinen on January 12, 2020, 04:29:55 PM
If you take something like Vegan HC, modern left-wing punk or for that matter "white power" RAC stuff, the music usually corresponds pretty perfectly to the people who do it - largely steretypical dudes and dudettes with minds about as developed as the music (hence also maturing at least somewhat with the years).
This could perhaps be because these genres you describe is more about spreading a specific and clear message while black metal is quite more diverse with tons of sub genres?
On topic of music recommendations i have been really into the new Reveal album lately. Perhaps more psychotic and off kilter death metal, but fucking awesome nevertheless.
https://reveal-svr.bandcamp.com/album/scissorgod
Quote from: Eigen Bast on January 09, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
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Bought it last year from the publisher, they probably have copies, the finnish bm book is also very good.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on January 12, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
true
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 12, 2020, 06:16:28 PM
I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.
Even without expanding the scope to "art" in general but just looking at "popular music" my idea starts looking quite iffy. There are quite a few catchy, convincing and effective rock/hard rock songs, which does undermine my thesis quite a bit. This massive rift between musical and personal quality may in fact be limited to demo stage Swedish black metal in the 90's. Oh, well. Most ambitious value systems tend to falter as time rolls on.
Quote from: Drohgt on January 12, 2020, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Eigen Bast on January 09, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
Wolves Among Sheep is hard to find, but a lengthy history of NSBM.
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Bought it last year from the publisher, they probably have copies, the finnish bm book is also very good.
Finnish Black Metal book is just about sold out. I took all the remaining of the print run. Both Finnish and English version last copies are available from nhfastore. I have sold probably 100+ of Wolves Among Sheep. Should ask to get few more to distro. I was told by publisher that vast majority of dealers refused to sell it due assuming it would bring some trouble. Most sold first batch to most anxious customers, but never dared to keep it available. I think book is good historical document, that nobody should be ashamed or too worried to distribute.
My only gripe Wolves Among Sheep and The Devil's Cradle is that the English translation can be pretty bad, making it a tedious read. I actually had to stop reading Wolves because I couldn't handle what felt like bad Google Translate / the result of a translator with poor writing style.
Quote from: Yrjö-Koskinen on January 13, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on January 12, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
true
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on January 12, 2020, 06:16:28 PM
I think it is absolutely true.
That art can be way more flawless than men who created it.
I would not say it is clearest in BM, though.
Even without expanding the scope to "art" in general but just looking at "popular music" my idea starts looking quite iffy. There are quite a few catchy, convincing and effective rock/hard rock songs, which does undermine my thesis quite a bit. This massive rift between musical and personal quality may in fact be limited to demo stage Swedish black metal in the 90's. Oh, well. Most ambitious value systems tend to falter as time rolls on.
Maybe you're just more easily impressed by art than by people. I separate the art and the artist quite rigidly and often couldn't care less what kind of person made the piece I'm enjoying or not enjoying. That's why I listen to NSBM but have other parameters to how I engage with it. On the flipside there's people in the scene who I get along with super well but whose music I don't really like and I don't think that's a big deal at all.
Quote from: deutscheasphalt on January 14, 2020, 05:13:41 PM
Maybe you're just more easily impressed by art than by people. I separate the art and the artist quite rigidly and often couldn't care less what kind of person made the piece I'm enjoying or not enjoying. That's why I listen to NSBM but have other parameters to how I engage with it. On the flipside there's people in the scene who I get along with super well but whose music I don't really like and I don't think that's a big deal at all.
To put things in perspective: a well written book with good ideas and an entertaining style says a whole lot about the person who wrote it. He may still be a rapist or terribly rude, but by definition he will not lack imagination or be uninteresting if you actually manage to strike up a conversation. I suppose I expect this to translate to musicians as well (which is sometimes does). My focus on black metal may simply be an artifact of teenage experiences and disappointments...
Quote from: brutalist_tapes on January 12, 2020, 07:32:53 PM
listening to the newest nyogthaeblisz offering rn, a little late maybe, i really like it... most bands who try to this ultra-noisey black/death/"war" metal thing is usually boring in my eyes, but this hit the spot for some reason. maybe its just the going-all-the-way all out insanity of it, only matched by maybe vvorld vvithout end. for me, a very pleasant suprise!
Never cared for the band, but this is very good. Realy like the digital sounding noise and samples with the instrumental music. For some strange reason it fits very well. The noise & blackmetal is perfectly balanced.
Wondering if anyone can comment on the Paysage d'Hiver vinyl reissues that came out recently, and how they might sound compared to the tapes or cd's... the thought of listening to it on vinyl seems strange but it could be that much more.
Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?
Not sure how familiar everyone is with that band seeing as demos coming out of Germany in the 90's are criminally slept on these days by the masses... Ultimately they take a back seat to the Norway scene or all the garbage coming out of the United States or whatever else people have cared about the past 10 years, but this is that good shit. He was a true heroin loving, crack smoking, prison serving, 4 track recording, one-man-wild-card black metal teenager pumping out release after release for over 25 projects and bands back in the 90's. Fresh out of another stint behind the walls, his work is finally getting proper reissues all these years later.
Wish I could do anything of artistic merit as pure and honest as this when I was 16...
https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0 (https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0)
(https://e.snmc.io/i/300/w/e489789a884fd592e6182c20b187a383/7135558)
I first heard grausamkeit on that cd comp in 2012, loved the stuff. I am bummed his material is hoarded by instagram types these days. Truly deranged and amateur in the best way. John Olson writes very fondly of him in Life is a Rip Off.
Quote from: SS. on January 17, 2020, 10:48:31 PM
Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?
Not sure how familiar everyone is with that band seeing as demos coming out of Germany in the 90's are criminally slept on these days by the masses... Ultimately they take a back seat to the Norway scene or all the garbage coming out of the United States or whatever else people have cared about the past 10 years, but this is that good shit. He was a true heroin loving, crack smoking, prison serving, 4 track recording, one-man-wild-card black metal teenager pumping out release after release for over 25 projects and bands back in the 90's. Fresh out of another stint behind the walls, his work is finally getting proper reissues all these years later.
Wish I could do anything of artistic merit as pure and honest as this when I was 16...
https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0 (https://youtu.be/9J9upytaJc0)
(https://e.snmc.io/i/300/w/e489789a884fd592e6182c20b187a383/7135558)
I have only come across the band recently, but have really liked what I heard. I would have seriously considered getting the box set, but, unfortunately, did not hear about it until long after it was sold out.
Quote from: SS. on January 17, 2020, 10:48:31 PM
Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?
Not sure how familiar everyone is with that band seeing as demos coming out of Germany in the 90's are criminally slept on these days by the masses... Ultimately they take a back seat to the Norway scene or all the garbage coming out of the United States or whatever else people have cared about the past 10 years, but this is that good shit. He was a true heroin loving, crack smoking, prison serving, 4 track recording, one-man-wild-card black metal teenager pumping out release after release for over 25 projects and bands back in the 90's. Fresh out of another stint behind the walls, his work is finally getting proper reissues all these years later.
New to me. Like what I've heard so far. Thanks for the lead.
I actually have two Wolves among sheep book now if someone is looking for it. Not in store. Send e-mail.
Quote from: SS. on January 17, 2020, 10:48:31 PM
Anybody else manage to grab the fucking elusive and honestly massive 23xCS box set from Grausamkeit?
Can't believe I've missed out on this... where/how was it released?
Quote from: Neanderthal on January 17, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
Wondering if anyone can comment on the Paysage d'Hiver vinyl reissues that came out recently, and how they might sound compared to the tapes or cd's... the thought of listening to it on vinyl seems strange but it could be that much more.
Got myself the "Steineiche" 2xLP. Since I don't own the tapes there's no way to make a comparison but it mostly sounds well balanced displaying mastered for vinyl quality. Some instances bass is a bit too boomy but otherwise I think the dynamics are great. Been running on repeat for a while.
It was available for pre-order back in August I believe? I was actually taking a break from the internet for months so I didn't find out about it until it was almost too late.
The release was done by some dude who knows B.S.o.D. and all the other affiliates of the German scene in the 90's, under his label Narbentage Produktionen. The limitation was set to 200 copies, and it will never be repressed. Waiting on it in the mail now. But yeah, 200 copies, every demo was remastered but not fucked with too much to the point of disrespect, all from the master tapes I believe. The box includes a massive flag, a patch, a copy of the 40 page zine B.S.o.D. released back in the day (written in German) and some other paraphernalia possibly that I can't quite recall off the top of my head.
He has been, and will be releasing other Grausamkeit material heading forward into 2020. Pink Green 666 is seeing a reissue on vinyl, possibly Angeldestruction too? There was an unreleased LP that just dropped that was recorded 20 years ago, and there is also a 5 song brand new EP that was recorded near the end of 2019 that will see a physical release soon; they are the first Grausamkeit recordings in two decades. Should be great. Here are some links for those who would like to follow up on all this shit:
https://narbentage.bigcartel.com/product/grausamkeit-25-years-of-war-and-sodomy-pre-order
https://www.facebook.com/Narbentage/
https://grausamkeitofficial.bandcamp.com/
https://www.facebook.com/BlackSonOfDarkness/
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Awesome, thanks for the information and congrats on getting a copy.
Hope the whole set will be made available as digital bandcamp bundle so I can dub em to tape
Got my copy of the Grausamkeit boxset today! Super excited to crack into the few I have never heard!
In other news, Livor Mortis just released a new batch of records this morning, and included is a great LP reissue of a 90's Italian black metal relic.
https://shoplivormortis.bigcartel.com/product/batraz-drool-12
Quote from: XXX on February 01, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
Got my copy of the Grausamkeit boxset today! Super excited to crack into the few I have never heard!
In other news, Livor Mortis just released a new batch of records this morning, and included is a great LP reissue of a 90's Italian black metal relic.
https://shoplivormortis.bigcartel.com/product/batraz-drool-12
Any other distros stocking that Häresie/Nächtlich split?
I wouldn't know for certain on specific distros, but you could always reach out to the man behind Nächtlich. He is the most lovely human on the planet so I am sure he could let you know if he is getting artist copies, and if he isn't, maybe he could give you some more insight. Feel free to message me for his contact info if you can't find him. I don't want to just put his info out on forums if there isn't a reason to!
Also saw posted today that the Grausamkeit - Pink Green 666 tape is going to be reissued as a 7" in early March, so hopefully some of the other material will see new issue as well.
Don't know much about Female Black Metal bands or bands with female band members, or whatever... and also was never really interested in it, but today I heard Asagraum - Dawn of Infinite Fire (http://Asagraum%20-%20Dawn%20of%20Infinite%20Fire).
And holy fuck! I really, really like this.
Mother of the Hydra is a project from one of Asagraum ladies.
nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/mother-of-the-hydra-contradiction
Yeah, thank you! I have this Mother of the Hydra album since some years and also the V-Kaos demo tapes, but I didn't know, she is a Asagraum (live) member.
Listening to Fimbulwinter and their 1992 rehearsal tape sounds pretty damn good for what it is. Luckily, the remaster for their Servants of Sorcery album retains the same energy and rawness.
Only like Numinous, DSO, Clandestine Blaze, Swedish Shining.
Early Mayhem and Burzum.
Pretty nothing else anymore. Though, some Satanic Warmaster ain't bad musically....
Most black metal has become too gimmicky and silly for my tastes.
Listen to very little Black Metal these days, but I always find myself coming back to Clandestine Blaze.
God damnit, Aspa, you are a goddamn wizard with some of those riffs.
I usually have little interest in cross-pollination between black metal and industrial, in my experience I've heard a lot of what just sounds like blackened NIN. However I've discovered some gems with the help of youtube recently.
Concilia (Portugal) - Concilia demo (Harvest of Death/Signal Rex 2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHZPF5YaLs
Apparently improvised black metal, with a lot of non-drum percussion. Metal and wood sounds, creaking doors. To me it feels like taking an industrial approach to black metal, with LLN-esque production value, even if the end result is mostly somewhat orthodox bm. incredibly enjoyable anyway.
Veneno (Portugal) - Depois a Morte (Gravações Tunguska 2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t337mYxVX0k
Interesting mixture of slow, pounding black metal which reminds me of Mystifier even if it doesn't necessarily resemble it, but with elements of post-punk too. There is also a heavy dose of early Swans/Einsturzende style metallic percussion and industrial improvisations throughout. Again nice raw production, but bass heavy as opposed to being tinny or sterile.
would appreciate recommendations for similar stuff
Quote from: NaturalOrthodoxy on June 15, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
I usually have little interest in cross-pollination between black metal and industrial, in my experience I've heard a lot of what just sounds like blackened NIN. However I've discovered some gems with the help of youtube recently.
Concilia (Portugal) - Concilia demo (Harvest of Death/Signal Rex 2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHZPF5YaLs
Apparently improvised black metal, with a lot of non-drum percussion. Metal and wood sounds, creaking doors. To me it feels like taking an industrial approach to black metal, with LLN-esque production value, even if the end result is mostly somewhat orthodox bm. incredibly enjoyable anyway.
Veneno (Portugal) - Depois a Morte (Gravações Tunguska 2009)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t337mYxVX0k
Interesting mixture of slow, pounding black metal which reminds me of Mystifier even if it doesn't necessarily resemble it, but with elements of post-punk too. There is also a heavy dose of early Swans/Einsturzende style metallic percussion and industrial improvisations throughout. Again nice raw production, but bass heavy as opposed to being tinny or sterile.
would appreciate recommendations for similar stuff
This is another release by Veneno: https://tunguskarecordings.bandcamp.com/album/gnihton-ot-syek
The drummer was part of Sektor 304. There is the rumour of a second Veneno album coming out soon...
Grausamkeit - Pink Green 666 7" is available for order from Dominance Of Darkness: https://86860483.shop.strato.de/p/grausamkeit-pink-green-666-7-limitiert (https://86860483.shop.strato.de/p/grausamkeit-pink-green-666-7-limitiert)
Thanks-I thought I missed it.
Listening to Engram by Beherit. What it lacks in atmosphere (compared to DDtM) it makes up for in pure bullheaded aggression. 7 tracks, in and out.
Bought two new Vothana CDs from Werewolf Records (not released by him). Now playing the new one:
Vothana – Biệt Động Quân / Commando
If you like the earlier stuff, you will like this one too. Songs are pretty long, like Vothana stuff usually. They vary between 9:30 - 13:07.
Great black metal with Vietnamese sound world. Lots of talk with tough guy PE, is this tough guy BM? Or is all BM tough guy music, heh?
Quote from: Eigen Bast on June 29, 2020, 08:19:22 PM
Thanks-I thought I missed it.
Listening to Engram by Beherit. What it lacks in atmosphere (compared to DDtM) it makes up for in pure bullheaded aggression. 7 tracks, in and out.
Speaking of Beherit... That "Down There..." LP (by The Lord Diabolus) what Dark Descent Records/The Sinister Flame put out last year is a mandatory release!
Quote from: evilxskin on July 14, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
Or is all BM tough guy music, heh?
I think you could probably count on your fingers the amount of really "tough guy" black metal bands!
The new Bone Awl album is finally out:
https://klaxon-records.com/collections/klaxon-releases/products/bone-awl-an-obelisk-marks-the-line-lp (https://klaxon-records.com/collections/klaxon-releases/products/bone-awl-an-obelisk-marks-the-line-lp)
Quote from: yosef666 on July 19, 2020, 11:14:32 PM
The new Bone Awl album is finally out:
https://klaxon-records.com/collections/klaxon-releases/products/bone-awl-an-obelisk-marks-the-line-lp (https://klaxon-records.com/collections/klaxon-releases/products/bone-awl-an-obelisk-marks-the-line-lp)
grabbing, thx
Been listening to the new Havukruunu album pretty much nonstop for a couple of days.
https://youtu.be/mUsU9ZH-GR4
This is going to be huge, methinks. If it doesn't make lots of top 10 lists of the year, then 2020 will be a very good year indeed.
Quote from: Atrophist on July 28, 2020, 10:34:25 PM
Been listening to the new Havukruunu album pretty much nonstop for a couple of days.
https://youtu.be/mUsU9ZH-GR4
This is going to be huge, methinks. If it doesn't make lots of top 10 lists of the year, then 2020 will be a very good year indeed.
I listened to this a bit last week, and I agree that it is great (just like their last album).
Quote from: Atrophist on July 28, 2020, 10:34:25 PM
Been listening to the new Havukruunu album pretty much nonstop for a couple of days.
https://youtu.be/mUsU9ZH-GR4
This is going to be huge, methinks. If it doesn't make lots of top 10 lists of the year, then 2020 will be a very good year indeed.
Take this for what little it is worth and my great black metal ignorance, but this is a cool hybrid of classic early-90s black metal and hair metal. Maybe something like TNT? Thanks for mentioning it. Into it.
Quote from: Zeno Marx on July 30, 2020, 12:25:39 AM
Take this for what little it is worth and my great black metal ignorance, but this is a cool hybrid of classic early-90s black metal and hair metal. Maybe something like TNT? Thanks for mentioning it. Into it.
Most people's reading of this seems to be 90's 2nd wave black metal, mixed with folk/viking metal stuff. Names like Bathory and Moonsorrow get mentioned a lot. Not that those two genres are a million miles apart to begin with.
Like most metal bands that I enjoy, Havukruunu don't try to get too clever for their own good, and wear their influences pretty openly on their sleeve. Keeping things fairly simple actually allows your own identity to come through better, I think. I don't really get any hair metal vibes from this myself, although I can see how their riff-centric approach, and penchant for triumphalist solos might give someone that impression.
A friend of mine who's not a Finn but has an interest in the language asked me, "waitaminute, is the name of track two really, "Until Shadows Get Pussy"? Havukruunu lyrics are in a sort of Ye Olde Finnish, but in modern Finnish it could be interpreted like that. Which I guess would land this squarely in hair/glam metal territory, heh.
Been on a big CW kick lately, wish there was more Bilirubin & Taut.
anyone able to sell me a Cirrhus shirt? I barely missed out on em when they were available.......
Been going through a bunch of LPs to possibly prep for some discogs flipping at worst (at best, storing some shit in my creepy basement) and I didn't remember Mortuary Drape being as bad as they are. Same with Gehenna's first couple records.
On the flip side, HAIL's "Inheritance Of Evilness" DLP fuckin' SLAPS hard.
Also been right up into the newest Primitive Man LP as well.
Quote from: Neanderthal on October 25, 2020, 08:32:05 PM
Been on a big CW kick lately, wish there was more Bilirubin & Taut.
anyone able to sell me a Cirrhus shirt? I barely missed out on em when they were available.......
Always a good choice. The Even Biology is Revolting... VA has some unreleased Taut and Bilirubin tracks. Also, check out Grizelda if you haven't - saw him live with Cirrhus last year and it ruled.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh09rNfQjpo
Picked up the two pack of Ifernach CDs from TDG. Skin, Stone...is some great lofi bm and then The Green Druid.. goes into Hvis Lyset Tar Oss tertitory. Not groundbreaking, but very true to its roots.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 26, 2020, 02:50:04 AM
Been going through a bunch of LPs to possibly prep for some discogs flipping at worst (at best, storing some shit in my creepy basement) and I didn't remember Mortuary Drape being as bad as they are. Same with Gehenna's first couple records.
On the flip side, HAIL's "Inheritance Of Evilness" DLP fuckin' SLAPS hard.
Also been right up into the newest Primitive Man LP as well.
Really? Oh man, could not fucking disagree more.
All The Witches Dance is killer.
Quote from: Eigen Bast
Always a good choice. The Even Biology is Revolting... VA has some unreleased Taut and Bilirubin tracks. Also, check out Grizelda if you haven't - saw him live with Cirrhus last year and it ruled.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh09rNfQjpo
Yeah that comp is great, really like the Kurgan track as well (would like to hear more!)
Was that the gig in Portland? I'm from there, have tried to catch CW bands when possible. There was a really great show in St. John's some years ago: Verme, Rohit, Bilirubin, Purity of Essence
I haven't been able to leave new Lifvsleda full length alone. Recent Ysengrin impressed me too, never cared about their earlier material too much.
Quote from: FallOfNature on October 28, 2020, 03:31:30 AM
Recent Ysengrin impressed me too, never cared about their earlier material too much.
I don't love all their material but To Endotaton is so great.... really love the stuff on Liber Hermetis and the split with Stargazer. Will have to check out the new one.
Jammed a little Forgotten Woods recently, always had a soft spot for that band.....
really into this:
Debut release from this new brazilian Black/Punk act.
Always sick to come up with some actual refreshing Black/Punk sounds and Falsa Voz do it perfectly. Clear comparisons can be done to classics such as Bone Awl or the golden age of Posh Isolation however Falsa Luz really make a sound of their own.
Cold and life-draining sounds, ridden with nihilism and misanthropy. Dark lifeless riffing, with great hooks, stellar post-punkish interludes and sorrowful vocals. Such a sick and memorable tape, definitely some of the best Black/Punk I've heard in recent years..
(from Riste of Pestilence channel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE)
Quote from: Eigen Bast on October 26, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Neanderthal on October 25, 2020, 08:32:05 PM
Been on a big CW kick lately, wish there was more Bilirubin & Taut.
anyone able to sell me a Cirrhus shirt? I barely missed out on em when they were available.......
Always a good choice. The Even Biology is Revolting... VA has some unreleased Taut and Bilirubin tracks. Also, check out Grizelda if you haven't - saw him live with Cirrhus last year and it ruled.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh09rNfQjpo
Picked up the two pack of Ifernach CDs from TDG. Skin, Stone...is some great lofi bm and then The Green Druid.. goes into Hvis Lyset Tar Oss tertitory. Not groundbreaking, but very true to its roots.
Thanks for mentioning that tape comp. I've been binging Cirrhus after a get together with friends a week ago but haven't heard any other CW bands apart from Eunuch that I picked up a split from.
Other than that it's mostly been early Blut Aus Nord, Antaeus, Sigh and Varathron for me for the past couple of months.
The new Hate Forest album absolutely crushes, as expected.
https://osmoseproductions.bandcamp.com/album/hour-of-the-centaur
Quote from: HateSermon on December 26, 2020, 09:36:05 PM
The new Hate Forest album absolutely crushes, as expected.
https://osmoseproductions.bandcamp.com/album/hour-of-the-centaur
Indeed. Same recipe, same result. Slava!!
Debut release from this new brazilian Black/Punk act.
Always sick to come up with some actual refreshing Black/Punk sounds and Falsa Voz do it perfectly. Clear comparisons can be done to classics such as Bone Awl or the golden age of Posh Isolation however Falsa Luz really make a sound of their own.
Cold and life-draining sounds, ridden with nihilism and misanthropy. Dark lifeless riffing, with great hooks, stellar post-punkish interludes and sorrowful vocals. Such a sick and memorable tape, definitely some of the best Black/Punk I've heard in recent years. (Rites of Pestilence review)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE)
Quote from: CVMN on February 11, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
Debut release from this new brazilian Black/Punk act.
Always sick to come up with some actual refreshing Black/Punk sounds and Falsa Voz do it perfectly. Clear comparisons can be done to classics such as Bone Awl or the golden age of Posh Isolation however Falsa Luz really make a sound of their own.
Cold and life-draining sounds, ridden with nihilism and misanthropy. Dark lifeless riffing, with great hooks, stellar post-punkish interludes and sorrowful vocals. Such a sick and memorable tape, definitely some of the best Black/Punk I've heard in recent years. (Rites of Pestilence review)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE)
Great tape! I have some copies in the US at Analog Worship. Definitely captures that pre-techno-era PI vibe perfectly a la Sexdrome.
Quote from: CVMN on February 11, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
Debut release from this new brazilian Black/Punk act.
Always sick to come up with some actual refreshing Black/Punk sounds and Falsa Voz do it perfectly. Clear comparisons can be done to classics such as Bone Awl or the golden age of Posh Isolation however Falsa Luz really make a sound of their own.
Cold and life-draining sounds, ridden with nihilism and misanthropy. Dark lifeless riffing, with great hooks, stellar post-punkish interludes and sorrowful vocals. Such a sick and memorable tape, definitely some of the best Black/Punk I've heard in recent years. (Rites of Pestilence review)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4O-wy3eSE)
Great to see people still doing this kind of thing well. It was a sound that got saturated really quickly and then felt like vanished overnight. Thank you for posting!
Sagatrakavashen - Saga Of Darkness 1988-2018 2xLP
Mere months after I discovered this Italian band F.O.A.D. announced this release. Just picked it up and it's killer as expected. I have some small gripes with the labels graphic design on a lot of releases, but that is besides the point. For those who have not heard this band, it is raw as fuck basement black metal that really taps into a unique, unhinged vibe. Obvious Bathory, Venom, and Mercyful Fate influence minus any technical proficiency of the latter. There are some songs however, that border on classic Italian HC such as Eu's Arse or Wretched. A strange combo, but it works rather seamlessly here. And for any fans of the mighty, Kiss you will be pleased with the band's combination of early style corpse paint with some Gene Simmons-esque platform boots! Truly a bizarre outsider band, and despite the campier elements described above there is no jokey vibe. Just weird cryptic metal.
Quote from: NerveGas on March 17, 2021, 11:56:11 PM
Sagatrakavashen - Saga Of Darkness 1988-2018 2xLP
I still have the tapes somewhere.
Cult band where black metal & glam met.
Just got the Black Crucifixion - The Fallen One of Flames recent re-release from Frost and Fire. Wasn't familiar with this band, but this is pretty good, especially the track Flowing Downwards is really good.
Mooncitadel - Night's Scarlet Symphonies is another recent album I got. I really liked his former releases, but this did take some more time to convince me. I think musically it's very good, but there's something about the sound that makes me feel like it could be even better, guitars being a bit more in the front or a bit clearer or something, hard to put my finger on it.
Quote from: Ashmonger on April 14, 2021, 03:37:16 PMMooncitadel - Night's Scarlet Symphonies is another recent album I got. I really liked his former releases, but this did take some more time to convince me. I think musically it's very good, but there's something about the sound that makes me feel like it could be even better, guitars being a bit more in the front or a bit clearer or something, hard to put my finger on it.
Funny co-incidence, I was just listening to this for the first time today. It's competent, and there's nothing wrong with it per se, apart from wearing its influences on its sleeve like a lot of BM anyway. But yea, it isn't all that striking. Some of the more "folk" sounding riffs put me off a tad.
Been listening to Këkht Aräkh - Pale Swordsman a lot since its release at the weekend and it really is rather good. A bit of a mash of BM styles rather than having a distinct identity but I like it. What was particularly enjoyable watching the "premiere" on YT was how quickly some of the comments turned upon hearing clean vocals in the last track.
Quote from: holy ghost on October 26, 2020, 02:50:04 AM
Been going through a bunch of LPs to possibly prep for some discogs flipping at worst (at best, storing some shit in my creepy basement) and I didn't remember Mortuary Drape being as bad as they are. Same with Gehenna's first couple records.
On the flip side, HAIL's "Inheritance Of Evilness" DLP fuckin' SLAPS hard.
Also been right up into the newest Primitive Man LP as well.
If you feel this way about MD, I think the entirety of black metal is lost on you, sadly.
Quote from: Obetavá.Protivník on April 17, 2021, 07:23:09 AMIf you feel this way about MD, I think the entirety of black metal is lost on you, sadly.
Oh I don't disagree at all.... I've felt that way for a decade at least..... thankfully I could be okay with the classics from the first and second wave and be totally okay!
Listening to Lethargies 2020 demo and I'm much impressed. A pitch black whirlwind of brewing chaos, sickening atmosphere, dissonant riffs and Leviathan-esque vocals. A good bit slower and more doom-styled drumming than it [Leviathan], but a good comparison can also be made with Blut Aus Nord, although being more straight-forward and sans boring, spun-out progressive parts. This is my jam, looking forward what the future brings us!
Impressed I say.
Friend of mine recommended me Paysage d'Hiver and listening to their 2020 album now and it ticks almost all my boxes; super sloppy production, ultra raspy vocals likely recorded through a headphone, fast drumming & hazy riffs, almost perfect.....but then he adds these ultra cheese keyboard & cello melodies in between and I don't know if he is just fucking with us or really likes his cheese, because fuck, it really throws me off and I have zero need to listen to his Tolkien fantasy melody bullshit. And it's not like these are good melodies either. Too much inspired by '90s style Diablo games I guess.
Last listen of tonight is Une Balle Dans Le Pied from Troanne. I'm not even sure if we are still able to call this black metal but fuck, it's just so frightening bleak and dissonant, it's one of those few metal pieces you shouldn't listen if you are too down or intoxicated. It's just a pitch black hole of negativity and chaos. Not sure if it tops any of Derrière Nous, La Lumière, but I doubt that record will ever be topped and this surely stand on it's own as being very good. There is a bit more breathing room between the heavy dissonant parts than previous works, but then it immediately puts you down in that place of misery again. I guess for some it will be a bit too produced, but I think it's one of the best things of the last few years coming out of BM (although I'm not as up-to-date as I used to be). Total fucking negativity.
Quote from: W.K. on April 20, 2021, 01:52:44 AM
Listening to Lethargies 2020 demo and I'm much impressed. A pitch black whirlwind of brewing chaos, sickening atmosphere, dissonant riffs and Leviathan-esque vocals. A good bit slower and more doom-styled drumming than it [Leviathan], but a good comparison can also be made with Blut Aus Nord, although being more straight-forward and sans boring, spun-out progressive parts. This is my jam, looking forward what the future brings us!
Impressed I say.
Friend of mine recommended me Paysage d'Hiver and listening to their 2020 album now and it ticks almost all my boxes; super sloppy production, ultra raspy vocals likely recorded through a headphone, fast drumming & hazy riffs, almost perfect.....but then he adds these ultra cheese keyboard & cello melodies in between and I don't know if he is just fucking with us or really likes his cheese, because fuck, it really throws me off and I have zero need to listen to his Tolkien fantasy melody bullshit. And it's not like these are good melodies either. Too much inspired by '90s style Diablo games I guess.
Last listen of tonight is Une Balle Dans Le Pied from Troanne. I'm not even sure if we are still able to call this black metal but fuck, it's just so frightening bleak and dissonant, it's one of those few metal pieces you shouldn't listen if you are too down or intoxicated. It's just a pitch black hole of negativity and chaos. Not sure if it tops any of Derrière Nous, La Lumière, but I doubt that record will ever be topped and this surely stand on it's own as being very good. There is a bit more breathing room between the heavy dissonant parts than previous works, but then it immediately puts you down in that place of misery again. I guess for some it will be a bit too produced, but I think it's one of the best things of the last few years coming out of BM (although I'm not as up-to-date as I used to be). Total fucking negativity.
I have yet to listen to the most recent Paysage d'Hiver, but from what I have heard it is not nearly as good as some of his earlier releases. I think the interludes were a new feature for that album.
Quote from: W.K. on April 20, 2021, 01:52:44 AMFriend of mine recommended me Paysage d'Hiver and listening to their 2020 album now and it ticks almost all my boxes; super sloppy production, ultra raspy vocals likely recorded through a headphone, fast drumming & hazy riffs, almost perfect.....but then he adds these ultra cheese keyboard & cello melodies in between and I don't know if he is just fucking with us or really likes his cheese, because fuck, it really throws me off and I have zero need to listen to his Tolkien fantasy melody bullshit. And it's not like these are good melodies either. Too much inspired by '90s style Diablo games I guess.
I've always hated that kind of thing in BM anyway, and think it's just padding. I know there are people who love the dungeon synth type intros and the long, slow, acoustic-ky type interludes and all of that, but to me, that's not Metal.
New Clandestine Blaze announced today, which is always welcome. I've been listening to New Golgotha Rising and City of Slaughter lately and thought that we're probably due for some new material.
Otherwise, I've been hitting a wall as far as new black metal... not too many memorable releases lately, but as someone had stated before, maybe the genre has been lost on me too.
Quote from: HateSermon on April 20, 2021, 11:29:49 PMas someone had stated before, maybe the genre has been lost on me too.
Just blast some Venom and Mercyful Fate and crank a few cold ones in a graveyard with the lads.
I guarantee you'll feel great about things.
Quote from: holy ghost on April 21, 2021, 01:37:48 AM
Quote from: HateSermon on April 20, 2021, 11:29:49 PMas someone had stated before, maybe the genre has been lost on me too.
Just blast some Venom and Mercyful Fate and crank a few cold ones in a graveyard with the lads.
I guarantee you'll feel great about things.
That's pretty much the cure for anything!
Wakboth - The Choir Of Dead Souls
Finally the debut full length album, of the true finnish Black Metal's original hooligan outlaw Wakboth! +30 minutes of excellent raw Black Metal with excellent riffs
12 euros + Shipping
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Sample song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-I6Yasr3U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W-I6Yasr3U
Recently got the Falkenbach 9LP box. I only had Ok Nefna Tysvar Ty and Heralding... before, but I knew most of the other stuff. Last 2 albums seem a bit less interesting, but the 95 demo stuff make it worth it. Aside from that it's a well-done box, all gatefold LPs with lyrics and extra sheets with bigger cover art (because for some reason the cover pictures are rather small on the front of the gatefold covers).
Haxenzijrkell's album is another recent addition to the collection. I really like this band, but on first listen it seems their album is perhaps not their best work yet.
New Blodhævn EP: Nordisk sejr. Raw black metal, physical tape coming in June. Stream here if interested: https://brutalisttapes.bandcamp.com/album/blodh-vn-nordisk-sejr
I am actually looking for some suggestions. I am a huge fan of Grausamkeit and the affiliated groups, I also love more battle style black metal, just very weird or very relentless. I have spent countless hours on Bandcamp and so far I've come across only one other band that just made me fall in love with them, Oil Spill. I would love to hear what any of you might suggest if you are familiar with the bands/styles I listed. I appreciate any help so thank you in advance.
For straight weirdness - there's always Grollfried, Befouled By Flies, Ahulabrum, Terror Noxpheratur and everything that guy does....Kaostorroth is really good too.
Not sure what 'battle style' means - but maybe those guys in the Netherlands behind Vaal, Ultima Thule, Ravensang, Blood Tyrant etc could be up your alley.
Recently grabbed the reissue of The Black - Black Blood demo on LP. Forgot how good this was. Aswell as tapes from Regnum Tenebrarum, Vampirska, Krolok and Bezperit which are all keepers. Another recent purchase I should mention is Attic Presence - The Unwelcomed One LP, usually the guy is responsible for minimal dungeon synth/ambient but I have returned to this one a lot.
@hatefukk Titan Mountain - Above Fangs of Majestic Stonetitans might scratch that itch; blasting symphonic bm from poland
UNGEZIEFER - LEBENSFÄNGER
https://soundcloud.com/mortuarytapes/ungeziefer-lebensfanger
Circa 40 minutes of black metal music.
OUT SOON. mortuarytapes (a) gmail.com
That new KNIFE is fucking amazing. Werwolf and Mikko are a deadly combo.
any fans of Thantifaxath?
https://darkdescentrecords.bandcamp.com/album/sacred-white-noise
Black Metal has so many sides. There is the raw, I record in my toilet stuff and now there is the super over produced dreamy stuff. Then you have sub genres like Dungeon Synth and it can go on and on. I absolutely love most of it for many different reasons. Even some of the sketchy early stuff has a home in my collection. I think it has largely moved away from the more 'nazi' side of things and whilst you can't remove the history, I'd say it has come far enough to be forgiven. Although I am fairly new to 'noise', I would say Black Metal has had a huge influence. I love it when the two collide. Crippling Blight did that so well.
Quote from: abstract_trauma on September 12, 2021, 11:48:24 PM
I think it has largely moved away from the more 'nazi' side of things
Quite the opposite, actually.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 17, 2021, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: abstract_trauma on September 12, 2021, 11:48:24 PM
I think it has largely moved away from the more 'nazi' side of things
Quite the opposite, actually.
Disagree. The same amount of shite are still there but the newer fans are certainly not, for the most part, nsbm fans.
Maybe it depends on which part of the world you're in.
Quote from: abstract_trauma on September 17, 2021, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on September 17, 2021, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: abstract_trauma on September 12, 2021, 11:48:24 PM
I think it has largely moved away from the more 'nazi' side of things
Quite the opposite, actually.
Disagree. The same amount of shite are still there but the newer fans are certainly not, for the most part, nsbm fans.
the newer fans are just fans,but the old fans were already also just fans
think nothing changed. most fans just want to provocate and the hardliner are the same as always
Never really listened to them but the new Lamp of Murmuur sounds good to me. I like the new wave guitars in the mix.
Quote from: impulse manslaughter on September 20, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
Never really listened to them but the new Lamp of Murmuur sounds good to me. I like the new wave guitars in the mix.
Not a huge fan of their new record unfortunately. Maybe I just need to spend more time with it. I don't know.
Heir Of Ecliptical Romanticism is a tough record to top. So is The
Burning Spears Of Crimson Agony. What did you think of the surprise 7" that they dropped to coincide with the new album?
Quote from: Andrew McIntosh on September 18, 2021, 05:44:10 AM
Maybe it depends on which part of the world you're in.
Most certainly! Example could be things like the fairly recent Steelfest incident. It is possible, that festival like that, wouldn't be possible in many countries. Over here, if you ask people who oppose Black Metal, they may say it should not be possible here either. If you ask within BM crowd or even METALheads, it is quite unlikely you would even find people who think there is something abnormally offensive in the line-up. Just the best of the normal & usual popular Black Metal bands. People getting agitated over Satanic Warmaster, White Death, Graveland, Impaled Nazarene, etc, seems like joke. Like.. its 2021 and getting offended of
Impaled Nazarene?
It could be interesting study to see, how and when exactly, Black Metal was hijacked as description of literally
anything. It is quite sure that someone will conclude it was already back in late 80's when Venom's ethos had transformed into other things. I am far more curious about moment when you got like anarcho-vegan post-hardcore band or gender confusion themed drone-doom, who simply decided to label themselves "black metal", instead what they are.
New Lamp record is decent, his last one was much better imo. Maybe it is a grower.
Pretty blown away by Black Spirit's 'El Sueño de la Razón Produce Monstruos.' Definitely one of my favorite things I've heard in a while.
Listen here: https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc (https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc)
The new Clandestine Blaze is amazing! BM record of 2021 for sure.
Quote from: Woundfucker on September 23, 2021, 11:25:30 AM
Pretty blown away by Black Spirit's 'El Sueño de la Razón Produce Monstruos.' Definitely one of my favorite things I've heard in a while.
Listen here: https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc (https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc)
Great band, and massively underrated
Quote from: FallOfNature on October 02, 2021, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Woundfucker on September 23, 2021, 11:25:30 AM
Pretty blown away by Black Spirit's 'El Sueño de la Razón Produce Monstruos.' Definitely one of my favorite things I've heard in a while.
Listen here: https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc (https://youtu.be/xa-l--T6gpc)
Great band, and massively underrated
Indeed one of the best surprises of this year for me, if it comes to raw "norse" black metal. Unfortunately, the album comes in a pro CD-R format - which I find pretty bad (and I don´t really understand the success it still has in the industrial circuit).
UNGEZIEFER - LEBENSFÄNGER Tape out now. Circa 40 minutes of black metal.
SAMPLES:
https://youtu.be/10GLDlRqWrc
https://soundcloud.com/mortuarytapes/ungeziefer-lebensfanger
DISTRIBUTION:
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CONTACT: mortuarytapes (a) gmail.com
Quote from: Mortuary Tapes on October 04, 2021, 09:49:26 PM
UNGEZIEFER - LEBENSFÄNGER Tape out now. Circa 40 minutes of black metal.
SAMPLES:
https://youtu.be/10GLDlRqWrc
https://soundcloud.com/mortuarytapes/ungeziefer-lebensfanger
This is very recommended.
To me project originally did not feel that it
really Black Metal. As far as I see it, it could be understood as sort of spin-off of SINK (fin. also very recommended!). None of elements are really exclusive to -black metal-. Fast drumming, eerie atonal compositions, slow invocations. You'd drop one of the elements away, and nature of music would change instantly. Different drum beat on sample track, and it would be probably more Skullflower-esque drone rock than BM?
None of this is negative remark. Just elements why I could not see it as part of more.. ehm.. boneheaded black metal, but somewhere in the Ulver -type category, where talented musicians choose to play ultra distorted minimalist dark music. Is it "metal", is up to debate, but compared to former tape, this has more "riffs". It is very dark, atmospheric and compared to ton of "raw bm" things I have heard this year, it has instant captivating quality. It could appeal fans of noise & ambient due distorted production.
On theme of distorted raw Black Metal, yesterday first ever
BONE AWL CD came out. New album is really good. Strong riffs, to-the-point, simple and hard hitting. Sound is not as messy and distorted as in early days, but in no way clean!
New KAEVUM "Fedrelandets Alter" on Darker Than Black is very good. Not as ferocious and unhinged as "Natur", in my opinion, but still top notch black metal that will receive a lot of plays and praise.
new Archgoat is a fucking monument of evilness.
Essential - https://youtu.be/S59s3Wns3m4
I can't say I would have checked massive amount of new stuff that came, but for example Archgoat album, didn't do much for me. Not bad, but like most thin and polished of their albums, musically replicating pretty much 100% what one can expect?
From good ones, even if I may be a bit biased, WARLOGHE and HELWETTI cd's has very very little of anyone competing their position of best things of year. MORGAL full length I first thought was too clean and nice, but with more listening, I got to say it has a lot of merit too. Especially as live band, they always triumph, but also for studio recordings, it is stuff that clearly is made to work live and it puts it to different category compared to a lot of BM.
Bone Awl "Obelisk..." CD and tape came out 2021, so I guess it qualifies pretty well for this years goodies too. I have always been fan of the good mediocre, no bullshit black metal. Stuff that can not be appreciated by all sorts of blackened this, blackened that crowd. In that category, for example new Shores of Ladon CD's, just work out well.
New Ride For Revenge, certainly went to top 2021 metal albums. Barely made it for this year, but immediately sounds like best RFR for years! Mooncitadel mCD/12", and Sirpinmurtaja CD from earlier 2021 still stand out. New Graveland was good, new Vothana is basically more the same category, but good album nevertheless. Sure more, but mentioned ones stood out in way that they are remembered at end of year summary, hah..
I think 2021 was a great year for BM releases. Warloghe is excellent! I'd say a return to form, but they've been consistent forever. Same for Ride for Revenge.
I mentioned it in the recent listening but the new Grizelda CD is fantastic; channels the more obscure currents of polish BM (think Gotyna Kry) with strong intent, also mastered by Harald Mentor to great effect.
The material coming out of the "Blood and Crescent" circle in NY has all been consistently good, Fellwinter LP, Arbor demo, Gauntlet Ring's 2x demos...incredibly hyped up in the US but deservedly so.
Also greatly enjoyed the Eisenwinter/Vothana split. Eisenwinter side is basically...blackened blue grass? It's very strange but very good.
also nice to see Parasyte Curse active again with a few new releases.
The new Warloghe and new Helwetti albums have been the best releases of the year as far as BM goes for me. I'd been expecting them for years, and they delivered. I'm just holding off for the LP versions. Now I want new riffs, not a release of material written 10 years ago whose instrumental versions were circulating in the underground if possible. And some new Musta Surma music as well.
Hulder's album was also great.
There was Musta Surma album recorded, without vocals, but his place burned down and all went with it.. already years ago.
Helwetti is over, but there will be anthology of both demo tapes, possibly different versions (as 2nd demo has the original, and the label remaster) plus unreleased 7" material on one CD. It will not be nice. It will be ugly as hell.
So is Musta Surma technically done or there's a glimpse of hope something may happen again?
If I may, Warloghe's "Dark Ages Return" anthology was great. Something similar for the Helwetti demos (which I love as well) would be amazing.
And I've been secretly wishing for Crimson Evenfall reissues for years as well. I wish they happened.
The Grizelda album is genuinely interesting and so good. The Hellweti is powerful and deserving of the hype. Thank goodness for "best of" threads. I'm not in the know enough to know. I'd forgotten about Havukruunu from earlier in this thread, and I ended up there after a Shores of Ladon first-listen. Talk about majestic (Havukruunu). One of those bands I can listen to one release after another. Looking forward to giving Sirpinmurtaja a try. Can anyone talk about Cold from Chile?
My most recent BM releases;
Baal - "Epitaphion" CD - Portuguese Black Metal, well produced and crafted.
https://nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/epitaphion
Infernathan - "Domicus Noisevomits" Tape - Finnish Grinding Bestial Black Metal. This tape includes both demos.
https://nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/dominus-noisevomits
Íngreme & Insomnia Pálida Split Tape - Both Portuguese BM projects.
https://nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/ngreme-insomnia-p-lida
Since the project name and album title are both in Hindi, it perhaps created an intentional barrier for a lot of potential listeners, but गौतम बुद्ध (Siddhatthagotama) - पुनर्जन्म भाग १ is absolutely fucking incredible and came out this year. Black metal band from India, definitely recommend checking this one out as soon as possible.
https://siddhatthagotama.bandcamp.com/album/- (https://siddhatthagotama.bandcamp.com/album/-)
https://le-warabouc.bandcamp.com/releases (https://le-warabouc.bandcamp.com/releases)
A very short demo apparently recorded in 1999, it's so primitive and based on major chords that it's almost punk
Quote from: Woundfucker on January 11, 2022, 08:47:46 AM
Since the project name and album title are both in Hindi, it perhaps created an intentional barrier for a lot of potential listeners, but गौतम बुद्ध (Siddhatthagotama) - पुनर्जन्म भाग १ is absolutely fucking incredible and came out this year. Black metal band from India, definitely recommend checking this one out as soon as possible.
https://siddhatthagotama.bandcamp.com/album/- (https://siddhatthagotama.bandcamp.com/album/-)
I listened to it intrigued by the name and the fact that I´m basically interested in everything has to do with India and indian spirituality. Good band, very similar in a way to Circle of Ouroboros (the vinyl of these indians comes out for His Wound Records as the last Circle of Ouroboros outputs), but somehow they sound too "cheesy". Maybe a couple of years ago I would´ve enjoyed more such sonorities, but right now doesn´t really ring my bell.
Best of the last year in my opinion: Archgoat (nr. 1, definitely the best way to "evolve" their sound they could find), Ride for Revenge, Funeral Mist, Black Spirit, Necromantical Invocations demotape (some of the best more recent "old greek black metal sounding" stuff I´ve ever heard) Clandestine Blaze, Circle of Ouroborus (another pretty weird revolution in their sound) and I still have to dig properly the last Concrete Winds album.
Think I'm the only person I know of who thought that recent Archgoat was the most uninspired and useless record I heard all year. Everything before it pisses on it from a great height.
Quote from: FallOfNature on January 16, 2022, 03:44:33 PM
Think I'm the only person I know of who thought that recent Archgoat was the most uninspired and useless record I heard all year. Everything before it pisses on it from a great height.
Nope your not alone.
I've been really enjoying this demo; combines BM/noise/dungeon synth in a very coherent and effective way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCl1Z58ktA
Quote from: FallOfNature on January 16, 2022, 03:44:33 PM
Think I'm the only person I know of who thought that recent Archgoat was the most uninspired and useless record I heard all year. Everything before it pisses on it from a great height.
Haven't even listened to it yet, but do we really need another Archgoat record? I'll stick with everything up to Heavenly Vulva.
Would anyone care to recommended some recent-ish BM that eludes most genre conventions in favour of a more original approach (lyrical themes included - there are only so many goat-worshipping/boot-stomping/blood-drinking/Viking-LARPing/Tolkien-obsessed bands one can stomach)? Not the "trying hard to be technical/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou for the sake of being techincal/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou" kind, but something organically weird(-ish?)/quirky - outsider BM, basically, I suppose.
Check out Frozen Flesh Order. Very odd alien abduction/UFO themed BM. Also Ahulabrum/Voltaic Omen split LP.
Will do, thanks for the rec!
back to Havukruunu...
I've been listening to their 2020 album almost every morning for a month. The new 2021 EP (longer than a lot of albums) is almost as grand. Can anyone recommend more like them? Anything that well put together, that extravagant, that dynamic? I checked through Metallum's "similar to" listing, and I didn't find anything very close. I'm hoping there is an album, or albums, that slip through that net. One of the best metal albums I've heard the past couple of decades.
Quote from: 64 on January 20, 2022, 01:54:10 PM
Would anyone care to recommended some recent-ish BM that eludes most genre conventions in favour of a more original approach (lyrical themes included - there are only so many goat-worshipping/boot-stomping/blood-drinking/Viking-LARPing/Tolkien-obsessed bands one can stomach)? Not the "trying hard to be technical/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou for the sake of being techincal/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou" kind, but something organically weird(-ish?)/quirky - outsider BM, basically, I suppose.
What about the new Antediluvian album?? or Sect Pig....
https://innercityuprising.bandcamp.com/album/satanic-broadcast
Raw black metal from Australia
Quote from: 64 on January 20, 2022, 01:54:10 PM
Would anyone care to recommended some recent-ish BM that eludes most genre conventions in favour of a more original approach (lyrical themes included - there are only so many goat-worshipping/boot-stomping/blood-drinking/Viking-LARPing/Tolkien-obsessed bands one can stomach)? Not the "trying hard to be technical/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou for the sake of being techincal/progressive/forward-thinking/whathaveyou" kind, but something organically weird(-ish?)/quirky - outsider BM, basically, I suppose.
I'd also recommend the latest Antediluvian album, it's phenomenal.
Also, almost anything by Reverorum ib Malacht. This fairly recent one is great, for example: "Vad Är Inte Sju Huvud?", from 2020.
Quote from: Euro Trash Bazooka on January 06, 2022, 10:01:28 PM
The new Warloghe and new Helwetti albums have been the best releases of the year as far as BM goes for me. I'd been expecting them for years, and they delivered. I'm just holding off for the LP versions. Now I want new riffs, not a release of material written 10 years ago whose instrumental versions were circulating in the underground if possible. And some new Musta Surma music as well.
Hulder's album was also great.
A little late here. But all
Warloghe material is amazing. And the newest one was easily best black metal release of last year along with
Ride For Revenge.
Warloghe even the newest material captures the sound of the old style perfectly. I need to listen to the
Helwetti more but I was very impressed and the aforementioned comments about
Warloghe could easily apply to them. No modern frills or gimmicks.
We still have copies of the latest Warloghe album in stock although it is getting low, and we just received a bunch of new titles from Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes, Pantheon, Seigneur Voland, Funeral, and a lot more. If anyone here is not familiar with us, we ship within the United States and to Canada and we accept payment via secure credit card checkout. We do NOT use PayPal.
Thanks for the interest!
I just realized that there is a fourth Grand Belial's Key album ("Kohanic Charmers").
U.S.A.: Weltenfeind (http://weltenfeind.com/store/p_2870466/grand-belial-s-key-kohanic-charmers-digipak-wfp008) / Hells Headbangers (https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?cID=0&scID=659&PID=101817)
Europe/Rest Of The World: WTC (https://w-t-c.web-republic.de/store/product_info.php?products_id=13016)
Recent best BM for me, is perhaps mostly re-issues, but these been listening:
CRIMSON EVENFALL cd, all demo material finally collected of this pre-Musta Surma. 74 mins of Finnish cold BM! Sound has vastly more punch than the old tapes. Mastered from original DAT masters!
SADORASS "Under Siege" 2xCD, in times when most of raw bm sounds in my ears like blackened boutique metal, and most of other BM sounds clean and too nice, it is indeed good to get the real deal radical and hard black metal! Of course I got most of this already. 1st CD with unreleased tracks, 7"s and such is best stuff, but disc 2 has 2002 album on it.
Quote from: Eloy on April 21, 2022, 03:34:23 PM
I just realized that there is a fourth Grand Belial's Key album ("Kohanic Charmers").
U.S.A.: Weltenfeind (http://weltenfeind.com/store/p_2870466/grand-belial-s-key-kohanic-charmers-digipak-wfp008) / Hells Headbangers (https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?cID=0&scID=659&PID=101817)
Europe/Rest Of The World: WTC (https://w-t-c.web-republic.de/store/product_info.php?products_id=13016)
Preorders up at Hell's Headbangers:
https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?cID=0&PID=101817
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 22, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
Recent best BM for me, is perhaps mostly re-issues, but these been listening:
CRIMSON EVENFALL cd, all demo material finally collected of this pre-Musta Surma. 74 mins of Finnish cold BM! Sound has vastly more punch than the old tapes. Mastered from original DAT masters!
SADORASS "Under Siege" 2xCD, in times when most of raw bm sounds in my ears like blackened boutique metal, and most of other BM sounds clean and too nice, it is indeed good to get the real deal radical and hard black metal! Of course I got most of this already. 1st CD with unreleased tracks, 7"s and such is best stuff, but disc 2 has 2002 album on it.
Heavily agree on both of these. Best black metal you can currently get and has been recently published.
The new Kvasir's Blood album was released about a week ago and is available from us now. You can listen to a full stream of the album here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7U5VhxhrCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7U5VhxhrCg)
Here's the link to purchase the CD from us:
https://metaltothecore1986.com/shop/kb-ter-cd/ (https://metaltothecore1986.com/shop/kb-ter-cd/)
Elderblood Productions announce the new release: EBP-023 Morke Vesener - His Dark Eminence
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AMBIENT BLACK DUNGEON METAL FROM THE NEFARIOUS GATHERING OF ELDRITCH CASTLES
An eerie soundscape of lonely dissonance, "His Dark Eminence" is a ritual of raw ambient black metal given breath of unlife by that which is known only by the weeping omen of Mørke Vesener. Wreathed by sorcerous tapestry in the concrete tomb pits, this incantation is a potent alchemical fusion of punishing raw black metal combined with the mournful synth ministrations of the dungeon. Enigmatic in its execution of dream languish melodies, croaking rasp orations, hypnotic percussive momentum and hallucinatory concrete crypt atmospherics; "His Dark Eminence" is a sweeping succession of spells in perfect harmony between isolated ambience and entropic instrumentation. The perfect grimoire to experience beneath a starless sky within the rotting remnants of an ancient oak. Limited to 50 copies only.
<Inscription of woe by Neheroth>
https://elderbloodproductions.bigcartel.com/product/morke-vesener-his-dark-eminence-mc
https://elderbloodproductions.bandcamp.com/album/his-dark-eminence
Bone Awl meets late Absurd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdtvf2sXEDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdtvf2sXEDE)
This somehow appeared recommended in my YouTube. Interview with Goatowarex boss : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvwRCHwdURQ . Although i dont know about black metal and the label, I watched it cause of his relation / side-label to PE. And i couldnt resist watching a chinese metal guy wearing a Genocide Organ shirt. The first part is very interesting no matter if you are interested in metal and his label ...
Best was the impressive info about how they were listening 'western' music tapes in China.
New Runespell out today and it's REALLY good, no room for fluff. 30 minutes and only 4 tracks, I wouldn't mind if more artists did this. Never understood making an album 40 minutes plus if you don't have the material, just cut it. Anyway...
https://runespell.bandcamp.com/album/sentinels-of-time
Quote from: Eloy on April 21, 2022, 03:34:23 PM
I just realized that there is a fourth Grand Belial's Key album ("Kohanic Charmers").
I've listened to this a few times on youtube and can't decide whether to order or not. Vocals are a vast improvement from Kosherat, but the whole thing feels too clean and tidy (just like Kosherat). I greatly prefer the barbarity of the first two albums.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 22, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
CRIMSON EVENFALL cd, all demo material finally collected of this pre-Musta Surma. 74 mins of Finnish cold BM! Sound has vastly more punch than the old tapes. Mastered from original DAT masters!
This is absolutely brilliant.
Quote from: MHK on May 29, 2022, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on April 22, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
CRIMSON EVENFALL cd, all demo material finally collected of this pre-Musta Surma. 74 mins of Finnish cold BM! Sound has vastly more punch than the old tapes. Mastered from original DAT masters!
This is absolutely brilliant.
Have to add to the praise here. Always wished there was more Musta Surma material available, so this hit the spot perfectly.
Most played stuff recently has been reissues, particularly Breath of Pestilence's ones from the Kotka scene - Vornat, Pervogoat, Insane Apollyon... also Aske, Helwetti, Noenum and Kyprian's Circle. Hoping for Ymir reissue next!
I doubt YMIR will happen, but can't say for sure.
I got all Helwetti demo master tapes waiting to be collected as CD comp.
Maybe around same time as LP version of self titled comes.
coming on CD via Dark Adversary, fantastic stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wz9hhEYBbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtzE22yWOTs
I uploaded a bonus track from the forthcoming Blodhævn compilation LP on Glowing Talon to the Brutalist Bandcamp. The LP will include the two first demos and be limited to 100 copies.
https://brutalisttapes.bandcamp.com/track/blodh-vn-krigsmetal
Picked up both CDs from Gauntlet Ring, wasn't dissapointed. Highly recommend getting these before they're gone like the LPs were.
Recently bought Luror's "The Iron Hand of Blackest Terror" CD. This album has to be one of the most overlooked ones when it comes to 2000's black metal. Complex, haunting, at times near strangling depressive. "Cease to Live" is good too, but this one is in it's own heights, or depths.
finally heard the new Negative Plane record in full, some real banger riffs, need to listen a few more times but probably wait til my actual copy of the LP shows up.
Quote from: Northwind86 on August 04, 2022, 05:18:13 PM
finally heard the new Negative Plane record in full, some real banger riffs, need to listen a few more times but probably wait til my actual copy of the LP shows up.
really interested in what this band has in store nowadays, i haven't check them out ever since their fantastic 2011 release.
I recommend to give a listen to the new Antediluvian album "The Divine Punishment", great black/death metal, a masterpiece of weird evilness and putrid atmosphere with some very spooky parts.
I agree. I was obsessed with this record for months after it came out last year. Although I have no qualms with genre adherence, I'd wager that it's safe to say there isn't a whole lot of evolution of form going on in either extreme or experimental music (or really any music for that matter, or really any art form for christ's sakes) that doesn't veer into really corny territory, "post metal" or metal bands who claim to be doing something different but really sound like screamo bands. Antedilubian, however, is the real deal. There's something genuinely new and exciting in this sound, a real modernist streak. Heady without being overly intellectualized. Frightening without gay Tim Burton theatrics. Very good.
Quote from: Into_The_Void on September 03, 2022, 11:48:40 AM
I recommend to give a listen to the new Antediluvian album "The Divine Punishment", great black/death metal, a masterpiece of weird evilness and putrid atmosphere with some very spooky parts.
Not sure if anyone has brought up this record from 2021 yet, but Sulper's Embracing Hatred and Beckoning Darkness puts a lot of newer black metal to shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3jqc39kjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75g7AF9NWQ&t=955s
Split with Wolfnacht / Goatmoon / Thy Serpent. I would be curious to know the genesis of this, Thy Serpent involvment comes as a surprise but the final outcome is solid and pretty enjoyable.
Woflnacht's songs are really good, specially the first one with those sci-fi synth, Goatmoon delivers a couple of really melodic compositions (Bestial Ophera almost has a some Cradle of Filthiesque moments) and Thy Serpent add a long, slow paced symphonic piece.
Quote from: BlackCavendish on September 27, 2022, 05:48:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75g7AF9NWQ&t=955s
Split with Wolfnacht / Goatmoon / Thy Serpent. I would be curious to know the genesis of this, Thy Serpent involvment comes as a surprise but the final outcome is solid and pretty enjoyable.
Woflnacht's songs are really good, specially the first one with those sci-fi synth, Goatmoon delivers a couple of really melodic compositions (Bestial Ophera almost has a some Cradle of Filthiesque moments) and Thy Serpent add a long, slow paced synphonic piece.
This split and last year's Hamergilde "Wiking" have been my black metal jams lately. The Wolfnacht songs on that 3 way split are incredible.
This, Bleau Blanc Satan, about the early French BM scene found its way into my feed. It's cool to see a documentary that's not about Norway and all the usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-jglTaTZ4&ab_channel=Documentals
Quote from: Phenol on September 28, 2022, 10:50:52 AM
This, Bleau Blanc Satan, about the early French BM scene found its way into my feed. It's cool to see a documentary that's not about Norway and all the usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-jglTaTZ4&ab_channel=Documentals
The interviews of the Mutiilation guy and of the Osculum Infame guy made me somehow sad.
Been listening to Perverted Ceremony after finding the Sabbat Of Behezaël and Demo 1 cassettes at a local store last week.
Quote from: Phenol on September 28, 2022, 10:50:52 AM
This, Bleau Blanc Satan, about the early French BM scene found its way into my feed. It's cool to see a documentary that's not about Norway and all the usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-jglTaTZ4&ab_channel=Documentals
Great stuff! Thanks.
Been playing the Selvhat - Avskjed LP the last few days. It's mostly demo stuff and some unreleased material from this sadly deceased mastermind. Pretty sad release overall, coming with a pamphlet looking very much like what you'd get at a protestant funeral. The music is great, nice to have the familiar tracks from "Den Svarte Tid" on LP, and the stuff I haven't heard, while not reaching the sublime heights of the material on "Gjennom Mørket Famlende, is still great.
Nocturnal Triumph S/T https://amorfatiproductions.bandcamp.com/album/nocturnal-triumph-s-t
Denouncement Pyre 'Forever Burning' https://agoniarecords.bandcamp.com/album/forever-burning
One band I don't see being mentioned too much is Svartsyn. One of the most solid discographies ou there, plus unparalled riffs and compositional skills. I find it rather peculiar how this band manages to have a relatively lo-fi sound without any of the characteristic buzzing of a lot of Black Metal. Here is Tehom, from Timeless Reign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHBYfSk2Pd8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHBYfSk2Pd8)
My personal favorite from recent BM listening is UNFYROS cd!
While I like slow/midpaced metal, often in underground it tends to come with a lot of baggage and lame elements. Unfyros manages to escape all those. Actually making catchy, memorable songs, with good riffs, good playing skills, but none of showmanship there. Just that all musicians have a little extra there. Drums, bass lines, guitar playing, all have good little hooks and songs keep having drive forward. Less than 40 mins full length. Perhaps for industrial/ritual music crowd, band being related to Aural Hypnox label might be of interests. But another proof that "metal guys can't make experimental sound" or the other way round doesn't really matter when guys are really into what they do. These guys have long history in dark atmospheric metal and you can sense they aren't newbies fooling around with couple chords. Should get more CD's to distro next week... packaging also top notch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7O5HidWqog
Demoncy - Within The Sylvan Realms of Frost.
Underrated USBM. Frosty indeed. Great, chilly sound here, and just the enough repetition to bring you into that spiraling feeling that BM does so well.
Quote from: AdamLehrerImageMaker on October 10, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
Nocturnal Triumph S/T https://amorfatiproductions.bandcamp.com/album/nocturnal-triumph-s-t
Album of the year for me, there is too much mediocrity released these days I almost lost interest in the whole genre, but this one stands out.
I had almost given up on Terratur, but damn: Theriomorph brings the good stuff with Diabolical Bloodswords. It's a continuation of his earlier project Cornigr, and it retains that pummeling energy, combining it with a dash of early Funeral Mist. The production here is absolutely piercing.
Cornigr was one of the most underrated things he released, very interested to hear this
Quote from: FallOfNature on October 18, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
Cornigr was one of the most underrated things he released, very interested to hear this
In my ears, this is a much better development of the sound from
Relics of Inner War than the
Funereal Harvest EP, which didn't have that same energy, somehow.
Mütiilation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K6WQnnC7Wo
Singing about dragons and stuff, Ruttokosmos is Now available from lords of misinformation SPOTIFY
New Finnish Black Metal, APOGEION. It is hard to really put this into exact category. You got moments you could refer to Archgoat, Beherit, Ride For Revenge, even Inquisition, I heard people name drop also Cultes Des Ghoules. But when you try to figure out what these together would be, it is most likely missing the cosmic sounds, almost futuristic synths, what also are not what such description usually means. Lots of good riffs, kind of barbaric way of playing drums and so on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XpJgiKrxnI
New Förgjord sounds promising. Preorders up now at HHR.
https://youtu.be/u158b9nohA4
CD version is already for sale in Finland. It was good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKRXelDp8Yk - Vampyroteuthis Infernalis - Vampyroteuthis Infernalis
New album, released this year from band of Unknown country. Great album and atmosphere inspired by the likes of Paysage d'hiver and Darkspace. Didn't get bored by any minute of it, even though the general style is nothing new.
PS: is this thread dedicated solely to new releases? I'm new on the forum.
I think the thread is for all discussion of Black Metal, not just new releases even though it generally trends for newer stuff for obvious reasons.
Nattfärd – Forestrealm Eternal
Really solid band from the guy(s) behind Beketh Nexehmu and more. Two long 20-minute songs that never get boring or stale and get pretty epic at points. Much more primitive than the other bands from this roster and one of the better albums I heard this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVrjmK6KLO4&ab_channel=AmorFatiProductions
I've been jamming the new HALSBRAND lately. Seriously good stuff. Pissed. Looking forward to the tape from Brutalist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnlf3L9Zr3o
Frozen Graves 'An Age of Emptiness' https://amorfatiproductions.bandcamp.com/album/frozen-graves-an-age-of-emptiness
French and brutal and weirdly lovely
New Goatmoon album out:
https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?PID=107769
No song previews are available from what I can find.
Quote from: Fistfuck Masonanie on January 19, 2023, 04:06:43 AM
New Goatmoon album out:
https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?PID=107769
No song previews are available from what I can find.
Fuck yes
Quote from: Fistfuck Masonanie on January 19, 2023, 04:06:43 AM
New Goatmoon album out:
https://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/item.asp?PID=107769
No song previews are available from what I can find.
Great, didn't see this coming! The synth album Silver Serpent turned out to be one of the better ambient records of recent years, even though it didn't do much for me at first.
Also, I wasn't aware that a new Diaboli is out already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_FrqxBHTE This time on DTB and not Northern Heritage. Previous Awakening Of Nordic Storm was my favorite Diaboli since Anthems of Sorrow. Yes they all sound very much alike, but it had subtleties I really liked. I need to give Pagan Gods Rise more listens.
Would assume it will be loaded as soon as CD's are in hand of people.
Pre-ordered SW, Goatmoon and new Intolitarian CD's.. was it november. All were supposed to be out same time but some delays occurred. New Goatmoon was recorded already long ago, and now there is new studio, not the one used for couple former albums. By no means it is "raw", but it is not as cleaned up as former ones.
Satanic Warmaster new album, I like a lot. What could be called almost like easygoing populist bm riffing from finland, hah, has its role there, but especially the burzum influenced slower stuff is among best SW slow material.
Goatmoon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt9w5n4serQ
Check out Haiduk - Diabolica (2021), non stop riffs.
Track 5 - Wraithavoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGVlm-yk2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGVlm-yk2s)
Not that black lately, but Kim Carlsson's projects are my personal favorite within the genre. Especially "Consider Suicide". This man is genius.
Consider Suicide - Hjärtegrop (https://youtu.be/Qll961iQ1Rs)
New Catacomb Voices (ex-SOVEREIGN) LP:
https://galafoice.bandcamp.com/album/underground (https://galafoice.bandcamp.com/album/underground)
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0852158576_10.jpg)
New album from Gribberiket, slow ugly harsh metal.
https://recordsofthefleshgod.bandcamp.com/album/dr-pen
Compilation of demo/rare/unreleased Reptile Womb material now available from me. Distros coming soon:
http://www.special-interests.net/forum/index.php?topic=12609.0
Track 11 from Haiduk - Diabolica [black/death]
Sea of Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TVBCl4CvZE
Does anyone know of any US distros that carry the first two Sombres Forêts albums and Gris - Il était une forêt...? On Amazon, the Sombres Forêts albums are like 35 bucks each and don't really feel like paying an unjustifiable amount for them.
new Valhalla Bound for you to stomp around to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08oRubPDgXc
Vinyl later on NWN
Love this Moon Oracle, newish Harald project
https://moonoracle.bandcamp.com/album/ophidian-glare
some brute pagan madness:
Heidentum - Rest In Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUMBUbkcSE
reissue of early demos comp
Coldness and Irae new split. Both veteran names in the Portuguese BM scene.
https://nekrogoatheresyproductions.bandcamp.com/album/we-are-the-ashes
This caught my attention recently. Isengard rip off, really, but great and I can't think of anyone who has made anything like this since Isengard did it. So, if you miss that style, this is for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMK3Y2h5u40&ab_channel=CosmicHammer
Kaevum - Kultur
Been listening to this for a while now. Definitely one of the finest release of this 2023. 37 mins of excellent songwriting, no fillers, and the vocals are a really nice touch, moving from exruciating screams to epic chanting.
Quote from: F_c_O on August 21, 2016, 11:49:53 PMSzron is fucking awesome. Nothing else needs to be said about them.
Also, finally got A Corpse, A Temple and Mysteries by Black Cilice on vinyl. Amazing stuff. One would hope that all bm would be of such high quality.
Certainly agree Szron delivers all of the time on all releases.
Black Cilice has an interesting sound too, loads of wailing vocals and also nails the aesthetics in the imagery well with that clandestine medieval type of satan glorification.
Also Bosnian bands Obskuritatem, Arjen and others from Black Plague Circle are doing black metal in similar sounds. The new Arjen album might be one of the best black metal releases from 2023. Parts of it remind of Deathspell Omega's SMRC album, in regards to the sounds of the guitar. It has that melodic, but yet sharp and cold atmosphere a bit.
why not spend some time watching a live show. my favourite is the second song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4Q8qYxJ2I
shirts available also, dm me .
I heard a song from an upcoming remix album, it was fine.
supposedly noise, ambient and even techno versions.
Been really liking the Black Edifice demo that was just released. Strong Xantotol/Obrok/"Passage To Arcturo" feeling.
Right now my go to for a black metal album lately has been that Flagellant demo CD compilation called A Gathering Of Unholy Relics. Released by Dark Adversary. I can't recommend this one enough and if anyone is looking for a copy, I've got a few left in my distro.
www.cranialblast.com