I'm wondering if anyone could recommend some "melancholic" or eerie sounding noise/PE. I am thinking of things like Ramleh's Hole in the Heart (specifically "Bite the Bolster" and "Product of Fear"), NWW's Spiral Insana, and even moments of Grunt's Seer of Decay ("Dog in the Leash 1-5"). So I suppose I'm looking for things that are more atmospheric than violent.
Thanks in advance
Cloama's "Municipaltity of Marionettes" and "At the Mountains of Paranoia" might be worth checking out.
Quote from: Ritual on July 11, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Cloama's "Municipaltity of Marionettes" and "At the Mountains of Paranoia" might be worth checking out.
Exactly what I had in mind, thanks!
Some IRM has very emotional atmosphere, especially live. I remember their show in Holland a few years back, it was very moving. Also some Prurient stuff is pretty somber.
Cremation Lily
Prurient, especially "Pleasure Ground" onward
Damien Dubrovnik - "Europa Dagbog - Europa Diary"
The Grey Wolves 'Through Constant Decay' from CD - Waging War Against You (was originally on 3xLP compilation but CD will be easier to find)
Quote from: ConcreteMascara on July 11, 2016, 03:05:10 PM
Damien Dubrovnik - "Europa Dagbog - Europa Diary"
That's a good suggestion! I'd also check out their latest album "Vegas Fountain".
yeah, forgot to mention Prurient—large portions of Cocaine Death and the last album fit what I am looking for. Thanks for the other recommendations!
that's exactly what I had in mind!
that record is somber in any aspect
I'm going on the Ramleh as the main reference point, and thinking, how much into dungeon synth/dark ambient... and "industrial ambient" or "death ambient" are you wanting to get into? I mean how much "horror noise" territory are you willing to work with? I'm asking because I don't personally care for the very common PE gesture to make synthetic string loops and mix screaming vocals at a very low volume over them, but I can suggest a lot of things otherwise.
Speaking of Spiral Insana, have you heard "Surveillance Lounge"?
Or maybe Nil By Mouth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQT-GgxbKZ8
There is also Corephallism, Demonologists, T.O.M.B., very often using noise style application with occasional vocals to make atmospheric but still kind of caustic textures/soundscapes.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on July 11, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
I'm going on the Ramleh as the main reference point, and thinking, how much into dungeon synth/dark ambient... and "industrial ambient" or "death ambient" are you wanting to get into? I mean how much "horror noise" territory are you willing to work with? I'm asking because I don't personally care for the very common PE gesture to make synthetic string loops and mix screaming vocals at a very low volume over them, but I can suggest a lot of things otherwise.
Speaking of Spiral Insana, have you heard "Surveillance Lounge"?
Or maybe Nil By Mouth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQT-GgxbKZ8
There is also Corephallism, Demonologists, T.O.M.B., very often using noise style application with occasional vocals to make atmospheric but still kind of caustic textures/soundscapes.
I have no genre biases. I have heard a little dungeon synth/dark ambient, most of which bored me to tears. But coming from listening to metal and post-punk, I'd imagine I've heard a lot of badly amateur ambient stuff. The only thing that really gripped me on that end has been the first Vond album. In any case, I am open to anything that might fit the bill affect-wise. So bring on the suggestions!
Maybe look into https://www.discogs.com/label/1540-Fusion-Audio-Recordings Not limited to atmospheric noise, but when I think of it, I think of this label. Pre harsh noise walls, there were some folks messing with minimalism and noise that resulted in something closer to ambient noise walls.
I would also look into Daniel Menche. Legions in the Walls could be considered violent (because of the physicalness of the process), but in that period, The Chrome Homicide, Furious Eclipse, Hymns for Slice Velocities...1994-1996 might be of interest to you. I'm not very familiar with the past decade or more of his work, but I'm guessing there's something there for you as well.
To push boundaries a little, Organum - Sorow and Nitsch when he gets noisy (Island). Also, Of Earth and Sun - Uncoiled 2015.
Nicole 12 "Ballerina" from "Substitute" CD
Prurient "Cocaine Death" CD
Ultra; tracks such as "Whistle For Your Mistress," "Making Progress Backwards In All Directions," "Perfect Pitch & Manchester United," "Wad 2," and maybe the entire "Zoll" LP.
Alleypisser - everything (he uses minimal synth, tape manipulation, and clanking metal to pretty dreary effect)
Forza Albino "Infestation" LP (like a moodier version of Black Dog)
Olymphia "Entrance" cassette
Over "Over" cassette (the guy talking literally cries at some points)
Maurizio Bianchi "Symphony For A Genocide" (always sounds pretty dismal to me)
FFH "Make Them Understand" LP (pretty "defeated" delivery to some of the vocals, I guess)
Sick Seed "The Most Hated Crime Of Them All" from "The Great Corrupter" LP/CD
Quote from: Peterson on July 11, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Nicole 12 "Ballerina" from "Substitute" CD
Also from "Substitute" track one (Substitute), and the ending (last two minutes i guess) of "New Generation" from the same album, also i'd choose "Decadence Of Flesh" from Grunt (that was the same pattern just shortened)
Theologian – The Chasms Of My Heart CD
Quote from: upturnedeye on July 11, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on July 11, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
I'm going on the Ramleh as the main reference point, and thinking, how much into dungeon synth/dark ambient... and "industrial ambient" or "death ambient" are you wanting to get into? I mean how much "horror noise" territory are you willing to work with? I'm asking because I don't personally care for the very common PE gesture to make synthetic string loops and mix screaming vocals at a very low volume over them, but I can suggest a lot of things otherwise.
Speaking of Spiral Insana, have you heard "Surveillance Lounge"?
Or maybe Nil By Mouth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQT-GgxbKZ8
There is also Corephallism, Demonologists, T.O.M.B., very often using noise style application with occasional vocals to make atmospheric but still kind of caustic textures/soundscapes.
I have no genre biases. I have heard a little dungeon synth/dark ambient, most of which bored me to tears. But coming from listening to metal and post-punk, I'd imagine I've heard a lot of badly amateur ambient stuff. The only thing that really gripped me on that end has been the first Vond album. In any case, I am open to anything that might fit the bill affect-wise. So bring on the suggestions!
It can do that sometimes, but when it's good, it's right on par with the Ramleh you mentioned. It's unfortunate because a lot of this arena is from artists who don't like to be pigeonholed, but have their moments, at least with the "harsh ambient"/whatever it is you are trying to pin down, thankfully not doing the same thing over and over.
Anyhow, I'm going to stir my brain a little. In the meantime, I wonder how much this is close to the mark for what you're looking for. I like repetition, with the right choices and sound design, there is no need for vocals, in my opinion. This split tape between Content Nullity and Regosphere is great if you can track it down. https://soundcloud.com/contentnullity/grief
slightly off topic but really doomladen dirty industrial techno/grabber, such as I was hearing at squat parties where all the bad drugs went to die and people just couldn't stop.
first saw men behind the sun at this type of event as background visuals
Quote from: anomalie on July 12, 2016, 03:59:10 AM
Theologian – The Chasms Of My Heart CD
And anything by Navicon Torture Technologies for that matter!
PEDESTRIAN DEPOSIT
or
EMACIATOR - especially the first side of the 'reflection' 2x-lp
TOURETTE, OSCILLATING INNARDS, PURGIST
The Vomit Arsonist
Mention of Ramleh and melancholic pe immediately put me in mind of Toll – Christ Knows. An eternal fave. Perhaps more melancholic than pe, or too song-like for what was requested, but I dig it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BGYjQpwX9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg3TaAZSL5g
T. Mikawa track on the FUCK MY ASS split with Cracksteel was (at the time surprisingly) in this vein.
http://iheartnoise.com/cipherproductions/mp3/mikawa.mp3
(above brief snippet does imo do only limited justice)
On the hn tip,
I will see your Pedestrian Deposit, Purgist, Oscillating Innards, Tourette, and raise you Maaaa Abhorrence And Dismay (as commented upon elsewhere)
Quote from: david lloyd jones on July 12, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
slightly off topic but really doomladen dirty industrial techno/grabber, such as I was hearing at squat parties where all the bad drugs went to die and people just couldn't stop.
first saw men behind the sun at this type of event as background visuals
Any examples of that style of gabber/techno?
Sick Seed "Most Hated Crime of Them All", Nicole 12 "Ballerina" ,and latter day Prurient all came to mind immediately for me as well. I'm big into this sort of style, so this thread should unearth some gems.
Mutant Video doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet, though it's not super "noisy": https://youtu.be/mw6epr1y5_A
Alfarmania- Nojjan. Bleak, droney, completely detached, dirty and desperate sounding. Listening to this tape currently over and over and over..
need to check it out i like the description you give to that album
Cowards - Forgotten Resonance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yF8CHa2Otk
Loss - I Kill Everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G9DZL1uNQM
Cowards' album is absolute masterpiece! You should definitely check it!
NYODENE D. "I know that I am fighting a war I cannot win" (nice title, isn't it?)
The forthcoming Isomer record 'Three Kestrels' on Tesco Org will fit here nicely.
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on July 12, 2016, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: upturnedeye on July 11, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: NO PART OF IT on July 11, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
I'm going on the Ramleh as the main reference point, and thinking, how much into dungeon synth/dark ambient... and "industrial ambient" or "death ambient" are you wanting to get into? I mean how much "horror noise" territory are you willing to work with? I'm asking because I don't personally care for the very common PE gesture to make synthetic string loops and mix screaming vocals at a very low volume over them, but I can suggest a lot of things otherwise.
Speaking of Spiral Insana, have you heard "Surveillance Lounge"?
Or maybe Nil By Mouth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQT-GgxbKZ8
There is also Corephallism, Demonologists, T.O.M.B., very often using noise style application with occasional vocals to make atmospheric but still kind of caustic textures/soundscapes.
I have no genre biases. I have heard a little dungeon synth/dark ambient, most of which bored me to tears. But coming from listening to metal and post-punk, I'd imagine I've heard a lot of badly amateur ambient stuff. The only thing that really gripped me on that end has been the first Vond album. In any case, I am open to anything that might fit the bill affect-wise. So bring on the suggestions!
It can do that sometimes, but when it's good, it's right on par with the Ramleh you mentioned. It's unfortunate because a lot of this arena is from artists who don't like to be pigeonholed, but have their moments, at least with the "harsh ambient"/whatever it is you are trying to pin down, thankfully not doing the same thing over and over.
Anyhow, I'm going to stir my brain a little. In the meantime, I wonder how much this is close to the mark for what you're looking for. I like repetition, with the right choices and sound design, there is no need for vocals, in my opinion. This split tape between Content Nullity and Regosphere is great if you can track it down. https://soundcloud.com/contentnullity/grief
This Content Nullity is fantastic, definitely what I had in mind. Thanks again for all the recommendations.
Ulysse Carrière
http://ulysse.bandcamp.com/track/lurch-of-lawn
Five Star Hotel
http://fivestarhotel.bandcamp.com/track/split-apart
Quote from: ritualabuser on July 14, 2016, 03:39:12 AM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on July 12, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
slightly off topic but really doomladen dirty industrial techno/grabber, such as I was hearing at squat parties where all the bad drugs went to die and people just couldn't stop.
first saw men behind the sun at this type of event as background visuals
Any examples of that style of gabber/techno?
I'd be interested in more suggestions too :) i do know about Fifth Era who are probably one of the more obvious examples: http://doomraver.site40.net/
fifth era are fucken rad.
(https://img.discogs.com/a0ho1GMtYvrALodzxunNVmRv9Es=/600x405/smart/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/A-37338-1439988313-1366.jpeg.jpg)
Death Kneel
Alberich
Âmes Sanglantes (Man and his becoming, Murder of key, Have you come here [...])
Plagues
Broken Lights
LR (Loke from Damien Dubrovnik. His other projects are worthy checking out too, like Caucasian Colony and Severe Photography)
Liberty Uganda (it´s pretty much ambient with feedback on top of it)
Militia (New European Order is a masterpiece)
Mankeulv (a little bit of self-promotion ;) )
https://ashpa.bandcamp.com/album/nedves-f-ld
Quote from: strangerules on July 29, 2016, 12:00:59 AMhttps://ashpa.bandcamp.com/album/nedves-f-ld
Fantastic project and every release comes highly recommended if you like bleak drone sound!
Let's not forget this release! http://sndhls.bigcartel.com/product/063-ashpa-felelet-c24
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on July 29, 2016, 08:55:10 AM
Quote from: strangerules on July 29, 2016, 12:00:59 AMhttps://ashpa.bandcamp.com/album/nedves-f-ld
Fantastic project and every release comes highly recommended if you like bleak drone sound!
Let's not forget this release! http://sndhls.bigcartel.com/product/063-ashpa-felelet-c24
new one next month too.
Seed Mouth - Twilight City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhMVjBa1wqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhMVjBa1wqw)
Yesterday got a taste of new POGROM when project played live in Finland. For many years we had talk with mastermind of Pogrom about necessity to sometimes do industrial-noise with vocals that are sung - as opposed to merely shouted & screamed. Now Pogrom has actually done it and result was very nice. There was melancholy of distorted keyboard melodies or piano loops, and semi-melodic, yet rough vocal delivery. Worked very well. Ability to make both, full-on harshness and bleak and melodic - without being really "music" per se, was great.
Therefore, high expectations for the next release!
I really wish someone recorded the PGRM set because for me it had the stand-out track of the whole weekend (then again, XE will always be unmatched). It was the one with melancholic distorted keyboard melodies and sung vocals. Might've been the third track of the set? Worked so great and the language fits perfectly as well.
That's really interesting! Looking forward for upcoming stuff.
Quote from: FreakAnimalFinland on August 07, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Yesterday got a taste of new POGROM when project played live in Finland. For many years we had talk with mastermind of Pogrom about necessity to sometimes do industrial-noise with vocals that are sung - as opposed to merely shouted & screamed. Now Pogrom has actually done it and result was very nice. There was melancholy of distorted keyboard melodies or piano loops, and semi-melodic, yet rough vocal delivery. Worked very well. Ability to make both, full-on harshness and bleak and melodic - without being really "music" per se, was great.
Therefore, high expectations for the next release!
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on August 08, 2016, 02:35:32 PM
I really wish someone recorded the PGRM set because for me it had the stand-out track of the whole weekend (then again, XE will always be unmatched). It was the one with melancholic distorted keyboard melodies and sung vocals. Might've been the third track of the set? Worked so great and the language fits perfectly as well.
All gigs were recorded.
Speaking of Pogrom - I'd also like to mention Budrus in this context. Canine Visions IX is one of my favourites from the last couple years. And the track on new Epicurean Escapism comp. is great too.
Robert Turman - Soft Self Portrait
https://youtu.be/LH-iFhT6gDU
Deru - 1979 (bit more towards the Boards of Canada stuff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zd86tO2mMk
maybe also the Disintegration Loops by Basinski (loop 4 is my fave)
Everything of V. Sinclair spread a dark and uncomfortable feeling, also, not lost the noise sound. In special "memoirs of a twin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF1VNGWwTZ0
Croatian amor is so melancholic, but not noisy.
Quote from: of_pestilence on August 26, 2016, 09:08:38 PM
Croatian amor is so melancholic, but not noisy.
Well, Budrus is also more melancholic than noisy.
Although there is not much recorded material, Blessed Sacrifist is one of the most depressing acts in the US. Every time I've seen him live he never fails to kill the mood in the room and it's a very good thing.
I think a lot of Burial Hex material fits this descriptions. Especially the split with Zola Jesus.
Quote from: Cementimental on July 27, 2016, 10:38:29 PM
Quote from: ritualabuser on July 14, 2016, 03:39:12 AM
Quote from: david lloyd jones on July 12, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
slightly off topic but really doomladen dirty industrial techno/grabber, such as I was hearing at squat parties where all the bad drugs went to die and people just couldn't stop.
first saw men behind the sun at this type of event as background visuals
Any examples of that style of gabber/techno?
I'd be interested in more suggestions too :) i do know about Fifth Era who are probably one of the more obvious examples: http://doomraver.site40.net/
other examples-face hoover, Peter file and others on the fruit of the doom label, the mover from Germany, swathes of the PCP label, and, as you mentioned fifth era
Josh Lay- Abandoned by christ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djyGU8XuiJg
This song by Genocide Organ has always been to me a very intense and melancholic song for some reasons, the fact the noise in the background is changing tonality like chords, and mixed with the feedbacks, it's like a melody. Add to it the tensed vocals, and the chorus going on and on, it transports me in an emotionnal state that could be close to melancholia.
Quote from: Scat-O-Logy on August 08, 2016, 02:35:32 PM
I really wish someone recorded the PGRM set because for me it had the stand-out track of the whole weekend (then again, XE will always be unmatched). It was the one with melancholic distorted keyboard melodies and sung vocals. Might've been the third track of the set? Worked so great and the language fits perfectly as well.
Is this one available for listening somewhere? Would really like to hear it!
Cheers!
A lot of Nicole 12's records are melancholic, but not in the same way as Ramleh's Hole in the Heart. Nicole 12 is a more sickening, self-hating kind of melancholy, with glimpses of degenerate beauty.
I think a lot of early M.B. and M.O. are pretty melancholic as they are so bleak. Ramleh, same.
Some GRIM (Japan) fits the description, at least the "VITAL 83-86" compilation...
"Auschwitz" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwo9iDT4AqU
"Poke & Shot" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthBb3Pr0dQ
I think a good bit of MLEHST qualifies as well...
"Stillborn Yet Breathing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhCkDc2BteE
"New Harvest" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGvnKjeGQqI
"WPC" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seCIXnRd5GY
re-listening to the Port Out, Starboard Home compilation today and I was reminded of this thread. Along with Prurient's Cocaine Death maybe the penultimate encapsulation of "melancholic p.e."? I still view it as the high point of Posh Isolation and one of the best compilations from the 2000s. The Damien Dubrovnik track is a massive highlight too.
another early posh isolation release in this category that is actually pretty good is the first damien dubrovnik, even though i must admit i am not so interested in this style generally, unless it is melancholic AND very brutal at the same time.. but this record is a pretty good example of that late 00's thing (i guess..?) apart from the usual suspects like prurient